Shedding the Corporate Bitch

The Power of Presence and Resilence with Dr. Benah Parker

Bernadette Boas Episode 441

This week on Shedding the Corporate Bitch, Bernadette sits down with powerhouse executive coach and social psychologist Dr. Benah Parker of Level 42 Consulting to unpack the real habits sabotaging today’s high-achieving leaders — and how to reclaim your power through presence, resilience, and redefining success.

From overworking and under-delegating to struggling with control and burnout, Dr. Parker shares how the very habits that got you promoted may now be holding you — and your team — back. Through actionable insights and bold truths, you'll learn how to lead with trust, authenticity, and alignment, while still crushing results.

This conversation is for ambitious professionals and executives ready to stop surviving and start leading — with presence, purpose, and power.

🎧 Listen now to learn:

  • Why “executive presence” is NOT about confidence or clothing — and what it truly takes
  • How perfectionism is actually self-sabotage (and how to overcome it)
  • Why redefining success is essential for sustainable leadership
  • What overachievers must do to lead without burning out
  • The surprising power of boundaries, delegation, and trust
  • Why managing up and gathering feedback are leadership superpowers

💥 Whether you're climbing the ladder or managing a large team, this episode will shift how you think about leadership, success, and showing up as your best self — at work and beyond.

Dr. Benah Parker
Executive Coach & Founder, Level 42 Consulting
🔗 level42consulting.com
📲 LinkedIn: @BenahParker | Instagram: @Level42Consulting

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Speaker 1:

What if the very habits that got you to the top hard work, overachievement, perfectionism are the same ones that are holding you back from really becoming the powerhouse leader you're meant to be? Today, we're redefining leadership with our guest, dr Baina Parker of Level 42 Consulting, an elite executive coach and social psychologist who helps high-achieving professionals break free from burnout, master executive presence and lead with resilience. In this episode, we're diving into why overperforming and underdelegating are sabotaging your executive presence, the hidden cost of overachievement and the real strategies that help you command respect, influence decisions and create sustainable impact. If you're ready to stop overworking and start leading on your teams, then stay with us. This conversation is going to challenge everything you've known about leadership. Let's dive in.

Speaker 2:

Welcome to Shedding the Corporate Bitch, the podcast that transforms today's managers into tomorrow's powerhouse leaders. Your host, bernadette Boas, executive coach and author, brings you into a world where the corporate grind meets personal growth and success in each and every episode. With more than 25 years in corporate trenches, bernadette's own journey from being dismissed as a tyrant boss to becoming a sought-after leadership coach and speaker illustrates the very essence of transformation that she now inspires in others. So if you're ready to shed the bitches of fear and insecurity, ditch the imposter syndrome and step into the role of the powerhouse leader you were born to be, this podcast is for you.

Speaker 1:

Let's do this you, let's do this, baina welcome, welcome, welcome.

Speaker 3:

How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you so much for allowing me to be here today.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I am thrilled because I think this whole conversation about resilience and presence is critical for both the men and the women that are trying and working their tails off to really make a difference, stand out and to rise up and be the powerhouses they're meant to be. But before we get into all that, I love our listeners and viewers to get to know a little bit about our guests personally, so could you share with us a little bit about Baina?

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. I live in the Phoenix Arizona area. My husband is a voiceover actor. We have two kids One just started college and one's about to graduate high school. So I get to do my executive coaching, be a psychologist, in the space of working from home and supporting the family.

Speaker 1:

Speaking of what we are going to be talking about today. How critical is that? Because that certainly ensures that you are showing up, you do have a presence, and certainly resilience plays a huge part when you're trying to juggle so many things and both men and women do that when it comes to their families, their work, their friends and their community. So help me understand what led you and your company, level 42 Consulting, to really focus in the space of presence and resilience.

Speaker 3:

I started studying leadership when I was 14.

Speaker 3:

I went to my first leadership training seminar when I was an officer in the marching band in high school, and so they took the officers to a leadership training and at that point I was just fascinated by this idea that, you know, in this leadership space you could study it and you could learn and you could be better at it. And so over the years, as I, you know, went through college and then graduate school in the space of psychology was really looking at, you know, how do we take everything from our background, our upbringing, our conditioning of who we're supposed to be and how we're expected to show up, and turn that into this leadership space. And really, I mean my dissertation was really looking at how people manage all the different identities and the roles that we play and where we can find that resilience. And so if you're threatened or challenged in one area of your life you have a bad day at work how does your identity as a partner, as a friend or as a parent build that resilience so that your whole self-concept doesn't fall apart and crumble?

Speaker 1:

Now let me ask you something, because that last comment you made about what's going on in your personal life doesn't affect your work. Personal life doesn't affect your work. I don't know about you. I'm sure you run into a lot of situations where a professional, even executive they do lose it at times in the workplace and what is going on outside the workplace is brought in and affects their leadership. How do you help them really learn what it takes to have composure and calm and grace when it is more than just work pressure but also personal dynamics?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I think that's a great question and the funny thing is, like you mentioned, how the personal things impact the work, and we see it going both ways. We see the work stresses impacting the work, and we see it going both ways. We see the work stresses impacting the relationships at home, and so when I'm working with my clients, you know one-on-one. A lot of things I always come back to is, well, the way you do one thing is the way you do everything. So if you're struggling to communicate in the office, if you're struggling with how you're showing up with your team, chances are you're struggling within your personal relationships too. So while we typically start in this professional sphere of what is your executive presence, it's more than just confidence. It's how you show up, how you make decisions, how you communicate. All of those things go into executive presence. But when you are intentional and mindful and aware of how you're showing up in those spaces, it's going to have benefits in the other areas of your life with your friends, with your family, those relationships as well.

Speaker 1:

What do you do to get people out of their head and out of the hurriedness of that long to-do list that they have in the workplace, especially at the executive level, to really sit back and be reflective on what is the things that? What are? Who are the people? What are the situations that are causing them to not be at their best and not have that executive presence?

Speaker 3:

It's interesting because sometimes some clients come to me when they are clearly in this space of I'm not showing up the way I want to, I'm not delivering the way I want to, and I have other clients who are very proactive about it. Nobody has a favorite client, but one of my favorite clients, when he first started working with me, he came to me and he said you know, I have this promotion, I know I'm getting this promotion coming up. I want to be the leader I've never been. I want to be the leader I've never been. I want to be the leader I've never had, because he recognized he had had leaders that got the job done, but he was like I want to show up in a way that is much more attentional, much more mindful, much more. I want to know that when I go into a room I'm not just leading a meeting because I have the titleitas, the confidence, of course, but also the connections that he wanted to have with his team, the vision and the mission that they were all supporting. So when I'm working, those clients, like I said, some are coming from the space of I'm doing all the things I've done before and they're not hitting the mark anymore.

Speaker 3:

So and so, I guess, step back and go okay, great, let's take a look at. What are these habits, what are these patterns, what are these unconscious things that either got them they clearly got you to this level of success, but were you doing them because you thought they were expected of you? And maybe they were, but maybe you're in a different environment now, maybe you're in a different organization, or maybe those things don't align with how you want to lead. So we're going to do some of that work to say how do we interrupt these habits and what are we going to replace them with that is really aligned with you as a leader and your own vision for leadership.

Speaker 3:

Because if you've been in an organization for a while and you got promoted, people come into that space thinking, well, I need to lead the way all the other leaders lead, and you can do it for a while. But if you're missing that alignment, then it's time to get that clarity and say what is the clarity of your leadership, what are the parts that work for you and what are the parts that aren't? And we're going to dig into those and go okay, then what are the habits and behaviors and decision making that you need to change, and how do we help you build that in, so it's not something you're doing just by gritting your tea, but that it becomes natural and aligned with how you want to lead.

Speaker 1:

Now a lot of people will throw around the term executive presence. I want to gain executive presence, but they really don't understand what that really looks like, but more so what it feels like, Because you said it's not about confidence and would you also agree it's not a physical.

Speaker 3:

I would say it's not about just confidence and it's not about just the physical, because I think all of those play a part. Of course. When I'm working with a client who's really focused on, if we're focusing on their executive presence, I always say executive presence it's not a monolith. I mean we can say stereotypically, okay, if you think of an executive and you know, take a poll and what people are going to come up with. But the question is, in your organization, in your industry, I mean you take an executive in Silicon Valley, I mean the tech bro model, they're going to show up in a hoodie and jeans and you know that kind of relaxed look, but I mean not 30 years ago, that's, you know, fairly recent. But then you look in healthcare or in the legal fields and people are in suits and it's you know.

Speaker 3:

There's these different things of what does the executive look like in your industry but also within the culture of your organization. I mean if you're the founder of the organization, you have some more leeway. But if you're, you know, in a larger corporation or a more established business, there is some, you know there are some expectations for their leadership, but then it's also you know you can look professional and not look not always be completely buttoned up, and I know I want to say that women might have some more flexibility and professional looks. Men, it's often suits or sport coats or you know those types of things, but it's really stepping back and going okay. So, for the physical side, what does that look like in your organization? But then we get into all those things that are beyond the physical. So, yes, confidence matters. But it's not just confidence, it's having you know. If your culture, the culture of your organization, is based on fun, then coming in super serious all the time to figure out what is the humor, what are the interactions that align with the culture of the organization and how, as a leader, do you promote those for your team and do you embody them for your team. So it's not a one-size-fits-all when it comes to executive presence at all.

Speaker 3:

I think one of the best things when I'm working with my clients and leaders is like we talked about that being the leader you've never had. But it's not always about being led the way that you want to be led. It's being aware that the people in your team, in your organization, whether it's a you're having a one-on-one meeting, whether you're meeting with your you know C-suite team or whether you're in front of your company with an all hands. It's about how do the people in your audience need to be communicated with so they can actually hear your message. So, as a leader, it's not just about well, I mean, I went out there and I had my bullet points and I checked it off and I said this is the goal. And everyone smiled and nodded their head and a week later nothing got done.

Speaker 3:

Maybe you have people in your organization that don't need a checklist. Maybe they need the vision first. Maybe they need their own spotlight to know that they are already recognized and valued for what they've already brought to the team. Because you know, if you have a team that's delivering and they're not getting the recognition, they're not getting the recognition piece for the work they've already done some people will start to shut down Not everybody in your team. But as a leader, it's about being aware that the way that you want to be led or want to be communicated with is typically not always the way that everybody in your organization wants to. So it's about crafting your messages and your communication and how you're showing up to meet all of their needs so they can actually hear where you're taking them.

Speaker 1:

Would you ever recommend to a leader to go and seek out that type of feedback from their people, to just not make assumptions in regards to it, but really learn to understand, if it's not every single individual, but what are the major themes of how their team of individuals want to be communicated to, engaged with? So go on.

Speaker 3:

I do think that's important and I remember, you know, my own corporate career, when I started leading a team, when I would have one-on-ones with them our first one-on-one I would go in and ask and say, ok, so some people love public recognition, some people don't. Some people just want an email that says you know, hey, great, I appreciate you got this to me. Other people want to be called out and said, hey, this person's really shiny, you know. So that recognition piece can be very different. I would always ask you know what is your best thing? Because I would come in with my own expectations, for you know how we're going to communicate, and at the same time, I want to say, well, this is what works for me, you know, where? Where does this feel like a really heavy lift for you? Because I worked in organizations where end of day Friday, everybody's supposed to email something to the leader of. This is what I did this week. But if you're busy and you're getting things done, who wants to stop at the end of the day and be like and now I'm going to do a check? No, you have momentum and you know I could see that clash for different people.

Speaker 3:

So I think, as a leader going in and clearly, if you're leading an entire organization, you're not going to ask everybody individually, but having those people with different perspectives, once you've asked a handful of people, you'll know, okay, some people I mean we all know those people that you work with that they'll come into your office and ask about your weekend and you're like, why are you interrupting me? And you go oh, this person's asking about my weekend and my family because that matters to them. So they need connection. And now I know, before I go ask this person for deliverable, I'm going to say well, you know how was your kid's soccer game did? Did you go to this event with your friends that I heard about? Because once that connection is met, I know that they feel seen.

Speaker 3:

And so, recognizing that there are some people, if you go in and ask them about their weekend as a leader, they're like I don't have to share this with you, that's private, I'm not bringing that to work. And you go. Okay, I don't want to cross that line either. Having those conversations one-on-one gives you an idea of where people have their different preferences, so that I mean, you're not going to be able to tailor every conversation, but it's about how do you hit all of those marks when you're communicating with a group, but with those people that you do meet with one-on-one or in smaller organizations, the smaller groups you know kind of who needs what to be able to get to the meat of where you're trying to lead them.

Speaker 1:

And no one ever said leadership is easy, no. So you better be careful what you ask for, when you want, when you want to.

Speaker 3:

What could be the people who really want? I mean, I think there are people who absolutely want to get into leadership for all the right reasons, and there are other people who sit back and they go oh, that person over there has the fancy office and they get all the money and they're not even here all the time and I'm like do you know how much they're working when they're not here? They're not here because they're meeting with funders or with donors or with and they've sacrificed a lot to get. So yeah, leadership looks great from the outside, and from the inside it can still be great and it's a lot of work, absolutely Well.

Speaker 1:

More importantly, meeting people's needs humans' needs is challenging and it's hiring and it's very. You have to be invested and you have to want the best for people, correct.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and I think that's one of the biggest things is you know, when I'm working with clients, they may come in and go. Oh well, I want to. I want to take my executive presence to the next level and I will always come back and say, absolutely, you know you're here, you're in this position, you care about your organization, you care about you know the mission that you're working towards and you know you have to put on your own mask first. So where are your boundaries? You might show up.

Speaker 3:

I mean, we talk about perfectionism all the time, but perfectionism is just another form of self-sabotage. If you're showing up in that space, you're overworking, you're under-delegating, you're communicating that you don't trust your team, you're micromanaging and nobody wants that. You dial it back and go. Ok, you have this belief about a leader shows up and make sure that everything's perfect. That's let's disabuse you in the notion of what leadership is Right. And so I think being able to show up and, yes, absolutely give your all, but not all all, because you have to keep some for yourself, for the things outside of work. We work to live, not live to work.

Speaker 1:

Love that, it's so true. Not live to work. Love that Because it's so true. It's so true. But break down, let's get into perfectionism a bit more, because you threw out a bunch of things that trigger people Managing and you know. So let's break that down a little bit more. What does a perfectionist look like as a leader?

Speaker 3:

A lot of leaders are perfectionists and a lot of perfectionists become leaders because they like to step into that space and kind of have control over making sure that everything's perfect and polished right, and in small bursts and small amounts. Okay, that's great. But over time, being a perfectionist leader, like I said, you tend to overwork because you don't want anything out of your control. Yes, this person might, you might, delegate some pieces of the work, but then you're still going to spend the time going over everything with a fine tooth comb. I mean, I think of, I mean honestly, the people who stay in graduate school forever because they keep rewriting one chapter and eventually you have to go.

Speaker 3:

You're never going to make everybody perfectly happy all the time. You have to figure out what is the appropriate. Success isn't always 100 percent. There are moments in business and, honestly, in personal life, where you go solid B plus is good for now. This does not have to be A plus work, and I mean again for my time working in corporate tech.

Speaker 3:

You know this phrase of the minimum viable product. What is our MVP right now that we can get out and delivered, so that then we can get feedback on it and we can get, you know, get people's perspective on what else is needed and how do we tweak it. But if you wait for everything to be perfect, you're never going to launch, like I said. So that leads to that over overworking and under delegating. But if you've hired as a leader, if you've hired a team or you've inherited a team and you're developing them, they have to know that you believe in their abilities and skills too. So if you're not giving them anything to prove themselves, they're not prove themselves, they're not getting the practice, they're not getting the experience. And again, you are sorry there's you're getting burned out, right, yeah? And so it's about how do you let go of this idea of well, as the leader, I'm responsible, so everything has to be perfect because it all reflects on me and going well, I'm going to delegate and, yes, if something goes wrong, I'm still responsible.

Speaker 1:

And it may not be my fault, but it's still my job to fix it.

Speaker 3:

So I'm still going to figure out how.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and but you also then earlier mentioned how that breaks down trust, and trust is like the foundation of any relationship, especially of a team that you're trying to make very cohesive. Yes, what are the damaging effects of breaking that trust as a result of one just wanting to hold on to everyone? Well, I mean. A lot of it is when that trust is broken of one just wanting to hold on to everything.

Speaker 3:

Well, I mean a lot of it is when that trust is broken. People don't want to show up for you, they don't want to do the work, and I mean not to take it out of the workplace. I always think of this example as when my kids were growing up, you know, as I'm teaching them how to do things around the house, it got to the point where I was kind of you know I'm like you know it got to the point where I was kind of you know I'm like you know I need you to just load the dishwasher. And finally, my daughter was like Mom, every time I load the dishwasher, you come behind me and redo it. So if I'm already, if I'm already doing it wrong, then why am I even going to do it at all? And that was a moment for me to go oh I, in this moment, do I want it to be perfect the way I want the dishwasher loaded, or do I just want the chore done where I don't have to do it? And I had to give up that need for, like, it's not the way I want it done, going oh, I didn't do it, it's fine. And that's another thing in leadership. As long as it gets done, does it have to be done your way.

Speaker 3:

Yes, you have the experience. You have the background. You might know the right way to do it, but that's not always the only way, and, over time, the people that you're hiring might have different skills. They might have different technical abilities. They might know of a platform that you don't know of. They may know solutions from their own experience. Hopefully, you're hiring people that have the experience they need for the job. You end up learning from them. Yes, I mean, I never want to be the smartest person. If I'm the smartest person in the room, I'm in the wrong room. You're reading my mind. You're reading my mind. I always want to be learning. I always want to be growing, and we do that from the people that we hire, from the people that we work with, as well. Let them lead, Let them make mistakes, Let them do the things you brought them in to do.

Speaker 1:

And I mean yes, if you see somebody you know driving a truck into oncoming traffic, use their experience and let them test things out and go. Hey, that actually works better than the way I used to do it. Well, you mentioned that you have children. I do not, but what I witness, you know, with parents is just you have to let them fly. You have to let them fly, you have to just let them go and trust, even when they're climbing up this huge ladder, you know to get down a slide and you're just like sitting there cringing, you know. You just have to trust in them and you'll be there to pick up the pieces.

Speaker 1:

And that applies exactly to a leader, wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and I think that's one of the best things about leadership is getting to be that safety net for your team. I mean, I always said you know, my job as a leader is to be the umbrella, so that whatever is happening with you know board members or whatever you know other parts executive, whatever political, you know office politics are coming. I'm the umbrella sheltering my team from whatever fallout so they can do their jobs. And I'm also the foundation. I'm the umbrella sheltering my team from whatever fallout so they can do their jobs. And I'm also the foundation. I'm here to make sure you have the tools, the training, the resources, the support that you can build your own experience and expertise on. And this space here is where we're going to deliver what our team's supposed to deliver and you're going to get to show up as your best self. And my goal is to help you grow, to get to whatever your next level is, and my goal is to help you grow to get to.

Speaker 1:

whatever your next level is, and beyond what we talked about, what do you find to be the biggest challenge for leaders and I'll actually call them managers to not allow themselves to be that type of leader?

Speaker 3:

What is holding them back? I think so much of the time it's really working towards a definition of success that's not necessarily yours. I think one of the big steps I do with my clients is like let's redefine success and maybe your version of success ends up looking pretty much like how it was when you came in. But now you know it's your version, because so much of the time you go to school, you get the degree, you get the job. So much of the time you know you go to school, you get the degree, you get the job, you start the family, you get the promotion, you do all these things and you're very successful On paper. I mean, you've got the fancy office, the fancy car, the big paycheck, and you know I work with leaders that go, I can do all these things and where is that fulfillment? Where's that passion I had when I started? And I go okay, but this is what success looks like on paper or in day-to-day. But what is your success? And they go well, I really wanted to write this book, or I really want to travel more. I go okay, cool. How do we work that in?

Speaker 3:

And some people know what the thing is that they're missing. But there's all these fears and concerns of at this level of success. I have too many people counting on me. I can't go do what feels fulfilling for me, and we're going to work through that. And other people don't know. They don't know what it is, they go. Something's just not right and we go.

Speaker 3:

Well, let's figure out what success means. And how do we align this with your own personal values so that, as you're, because you love your work and you know if you're good at it and you get recognized for it that's not necessarily something you want to walk away from? I mean, we, we all love a good self-esteem, pat, and you don't have to. But it's also you don't have to live by somebody else's rules all the time. There are moments you do. Of course, you know, in some organizations or in some industries, there's compliance. There's yes, you have to check those boxes. But for the area where you have some leeway, how do we make sure that your role as a leader and as a human is aligned with what you actually want for your life?

Speaker 1:

And you said earlier about you shouldn't be operating against someone else's expectations. Right? It's your definition of success, as you just said. And what is it that you want to achieve and accomplish?

Speaker 3:

I absolutely love that.

Speaker 1:

So if you had one takeaway for them to actually like walk away from here and start putting something into action, what would that be?

Speaker 3:

I would say definitely redefine success for yourself. You know, sit down and think through and recognize that. What success looked like when you started, what you thought success was going to be, and what success, what you want or need success to be now. It's OK if those are different. You know we, hopefully, we're growing and changing over time. So you know, some core values stay the same throughout life and other values shift through different periods of life. So, in this moment, what are the values that matter the most to you? And then how are you able to show up as a leader to achieve those goals for yourself? So, redefining success and stop overworking. Recognize that you know you have people around you, ask for help, trust the people you've hired or you brought in in your organization and delegate.

Speaker 1:

And well, and on your second point about overworking, that's also creating boundaries, like recognize the boundaries that you have and if you don't have any, would you say to define them and live by them. Why.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it is funny because I have a client when we start working together, you know figuring out when we're going to meet, and she's like I have no meeting Thursdays. Thursdays are days of no meetings or days for me to work, so the perfect days for her and I to connect. And every time we meet I'm like, okay, so we're meeting Thursday afternoon. She's like I had two meetings today. I'm like, yeah, like you said the boundary, but you didn't you didn't stick with it, so we're going to practice this, the, because it's also being true to yourself.

Speaker 1:

Yes, making sure that if that's the boundary that one defines, then say no. Do you get a lot of issues with those individuals that just aren't comfortable saying no. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3:

It's hard to say no, because everybody I mean we all want to be liked to some extent and if you're the person you're like, I'm the go-to. People know I'm the problem solver, and it's great to be a problem solver, it's great to be the person that comes in with the solutions. But then if everybody's coming to you, the things that matter to you, you're putting out everybody else's fires. So I often give people this example of if somebody's asking you to do something and it's something that you feel is worth your time, but you don't have the bandwidth right now, you can simply say I'm focused on this priority right now. Can we revisit this in a week, Rather than saying yes, let me get right on that for you and putting all your stuff to the side.

Speaker 3:

It's about how do you come up with the ways of saying no that you're comfortable with, and sometimes it's a flat out. I think that's a great project for you to work on. Or I think that's a great project why you bring somebody else from this team in to collaborate. It doesn't always have to be you, but finding the ways that no feels aligned with how you again, how you want to show up and lead.

Speaker 1:

Right Even to your own boss, not just the peers.

Speaker 3:

No managing up is a good skill. I mean it's a very good skill because I mean, we've all seen those bosses A lot of times. Very visionary people get into leadership roles and they don't always understand the details of what it takes to make their vision work and make their vision work. So, as one of those detail problem solver people, if your boss is coming to you with this and then I need this and it feels like they're chasing these squirrels, eventually one of the skills is coming in and saying wait, this is a list of things I'm working on which are we taking off? For me to add the new thing on.

Speaker 1:

Love that. Well, you gave us a lot of key takeaways and they could just pick one, even to just get started right, maybe steps.

Speaker 3:

Every baby step is still a step in the right direction. If you try to eat the whole elephant at once, it's not going to go well.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for your time. Thank you very much, but while you're here, I do want to remind everyone please go to level42consultingcom and learn all about Baina and the work that she does. Follow her on LinkedIn very easy, baina Parker and also on Instagram it's at level42consulting. But thank you so much, I appreciate it. Thank you very much, brenda. What a powerhouse conversation with Baina Parker of Level 42 Consulting house.

Speaker 1:

Conversation with Baina Parker of Level 42 Consulting. What I'm taking away from the conversation is just how a leader needs to really be the leader their people need not the leader that they want leading them, but actually, what is it that your people need and want in order to work at their best? And her other point was if you don't know, that's okay. Go and seek that feedback, and if it's not from every single person on your team, if you have a large one, start asking and you'll pick up themes that will address what it is that your overall team needs from you, and then that way you can ensure that you're adapting your style and approach to really meet them where they are. The other thing that she talked about is the fact that feedback and recognition isn't the same for every one of your team members process, that you're really learning about what each individual needs when it comes to recognition, when it comes to the feedback that they want regarding their performance, regarding their opportunities, their career path, so forth and so on.

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