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How Golf Brought Veterans Back to Life—Inside Salute Military Golf Association | Our Halloween Event Benefiting SMGA | We Give You All The Details Ep. 154
We share why Truman Charities has chosen the Salute Military Golf Association (SMGA) as the beneficiary for our upcoming Halloween event.
You'll hear directly from SMGA Executive Director CJ Johnson and Veteran Jason David about the impactful work they do.
Additionally, we'll provide details about the Halloween event itself, including some of our incredible raffle and auction items, costume prizes, and other exciting surprises!
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October 25th, we're going to have our annual Halloween event. And this year it's going to be benefiting Salute Military Golf Association. I interviewed them last year for Veterans Denet, and I interviewed the executive director, CJ Johnson, and veteran Jason David. After listening to this episode, you're going to realize why, right after I spoke with these men, I called my husband and I said, we have to do an event for SMGA. They are helping so many of our veterans. But before we get into this episode, I want to tell you a little bit about our upcoming event on the 25th. So as you know, we take our Halloween costumes very seriously. So we do have some great prizes for individual, best individual costume, and then best couples, best group costume. Here are just a couple of our options, less wrestle items that we will have at the event. We have three day two nights day at the Solomoners in Middleburg, which as you know, I go there every year with my husband. We also are very lucky that Mark Freeman and his wife, Kelly, have decided to donate another 10 person Italian dinner. Mark comes to your house. He cooks a fantastic Italian dinner for you and your friends, and that also does include wine. We have a one-night stay at MGM, which includes dinner and show. We also have Boon and Son jewelry. And if you know me, you know that all my jewelry comes from Boon and Sons, my earrings, my necklaces, my wedding ring, engagement ring, everything. We have press eyewear, Keswick Hall. That's a three-day, two-night stay as well. And then we also have Marasi Pizza Trump. He will be donating his services as well, 20% pizza party. And this is with brick oven pizza. So you know that that is the best pizza around. And also one hope wine tasting to be paired with that if you'd like, or at another time. So those are just a few things that we have. We also have, you know, capped tickets and commanders tickets and just so many great prizes. So I hope to see everyone there. Of course, we are capping out at a certain number. So go on digital maturities.com to register now. You can register for individual tickets, get your raffle tickets, and then also we have a lot of different sponsorship levels. So I really hope to see all of you October 25th from 6 to 10 p.m. at Tommy Joe's in Bethesda. Okay, enjoy this episode on SMGA, and you will understand why we are so passionate about this organization. Today I speak with Chris Johnson, also known as CJ, the executive director of Salute Military Golf Association, SMGA, and veteran Jason David, who was awarded the Purple Heart, is also a retired chief master sergeant who was severely injured in Iraq and has been part of the SMGA community of veterans for years. We speak about Jason's experience in the military and the positive impact SMGA has had on him. We also speak with CJ about the veterans who've suffered traumatic injuries and how they are still able to golf through a piece of equipment called a pair of golf. These SMGA golf professionals understand the unique needs of veterans returning home from service and have witnessed firsthand the powerful benefits the game of golf can provide in improving the quality of life of wounded servicemen and women. So grab a tissue, get ready to learn about the remarkable work SMGA is doing for our wounded veterans. Everybody, CJ Jason, thank you so much for coming on. This is gonna be the perfect Veterans Day episode. How are you guys?
SPEAKER_01:Doing very well. Thank you for having us, Jamie. Fantastic. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00:Of course. Jason, I'm really excited to talk to you about your experience in the military. And CJ, I'm excited to hear about the organization of Salute Military Golf Association. So, CJ, let's start out with you. Tell me a little bit about your organization and why you are so passionate about this cause.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely. Well, uh the Salute Military Golf Association is all about helping to rehabilitate post-9-11 injured and wounded veterans. And the way we do that is through the great game of golf. We use golf to as a rehabilitative tool for helping our veterans. And it's a special program that was started in Maryland in the Washington, D.C. area back in early 2006. Obviously, uh Walter Reed here in Bethesda, Maryland. Back then was actually the Silver Spring uh Washington, D.C. location that was over there off Georgia Avenue. And it was really founded by Jamie Winslow and Jim Estes. And uh Jim Estes uh is a uh local golf pro who's also spent some time on the PGA tour and played in other uh senior tour events, champions tour events as well. And um both passionate golfers and passionate about our country and about our military and our veterans. And the idea came with getting uh some veterans out of uh Walter Reed early on and bringing them out to the only golf park where uh Jim was an instructor and and basically teaching them how to play golf, getting them out there in the green grass and the blue skies, and teaching most of these veterans had no experience or that have come through the program had no experience in the game of golf before. But it's the perfect sport for a sense of accomplishment. You know, you get out there and you swing and you miss, and and then you make contact, and that feels good, and you hit a grounder and that feels good, and then you get it in the air, and that feels good, and then you hit it straight, and that feels good, and you know, so you get several levels of uh senses of accomplishment and that players who play the game, have played the game for 20 or 30 years, still get every time that they go out there. And of course, the settings are great, and the camaraderie is great, and it's a great opportunity for veterans to remain connected with other veterans as well. And so that's really the background of it. It took off immediately in the Maryland, Washington, D.C. area, so much so that we quickly expanded across the country. So SMGA is a national organization serving veterans in all 50 states with chapters throughout the country, 24 different locations. But even where we don't have chapters, we have what we call our American Golfer Program that links up local PGA pros and the veterans so they can go through the program even in non-chapter locations.
SPEAKER_00:So, CJ, I have so many questions for you. So we're gonna get back to exactly, you know, your membership and why golf, right? And all of those specifics. But I'm so incredibly excited that it threw out to me that you're like, let's have a veteran on to talk about their experience in the military. And when you sent over Jason's final, I was taken back of what you've accomplished. You know, you awarded the Purple Heart, you know, you were chief master surgeon, that you're tired now. And gosh, 22 years as a combat camperman. You've done so much. So, so Jason, I wanted to talk a little bit with you. Tell me a little bit about your background and why you chose to serve in the military.
SPEAKER_02:I appreciate you having us on. Of course. And I've always had a want to serve in the military, probably because I come from a long line of military folk, right? So my father was uh was in the Air Force, my grandfather was also in the military, and it's all I've ever known. I'm not saying I'm brainwashed, but I'm not not saying that either, right? Uh so I joined the Air Force, you know, over 20 years ago, and it took me to places that I would have never imagined. If I wrote a book for the different places I've been to, I've been to over 120 countries, right? And so I've seen things that you only read in books. I've been places that you can only fantasize about. And uh I've also been in some of the worst places in the world, too, where things aren't as happy as they are in the US. And it it gives you a lot of perspective. It gives you perspective on how to treat people here in the US. It gives you a little perspective on why not to get mad at things when there are people on this earth that just don't have anything, right? And they would be happy to be in your situation to be upset. And so that I think that mindset helped me in my efforts to be a little more resilient after I got injured. So uh about halfway through my career, I was uh I was deployed to Iraq in Operation Iraqi Freedom. I was unfortunately hurt with uh with the enemy munition. I had to get uh surgery on both of my shoulders, both of my hips, my back, my knee, and uh I got a big knock on the head. And so I have a lot of titanium in my body, much more so than than I ever anticipated. And at one point the doctor told me, hey, so you probably won't be able to walk, and you probably won't be able to do sports, and you probably will not lead the life that you wanted to lead. That was kind of a low point in my life. Right around that time, the wounded warrior programs for the military started reaching out. I started getting resources for you know how to recover, how to get better at things. And the Salute Military Golf Association popped up on my radar. And so this is this is wild for me because the types of injuries I had stopped me from pivoting, stopped me from turning, uh, and I can't run. But there are so many clinics, especially when you get both your hips replaced, right? And as a young person, you shouldn't have your hips replaced, right?
SPEAKER_00:But unfortunately, that's just how life old were you when you were injured?
SPEAKER_02:Uh probably 30, right? And so that's not not not not the best time in your life. Uh right. Obviously, hip replacements happen much later in your life when you're how long was that recovery? Six and a half years.
SPEAKER_00:Six and a half years, wow. What was that like?
SPEAKER_02:Six and a half years. Enduring, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So I think you have to have mental grit to be able to come out positive on the other side. And that's when I met CJ and I met Jamie, and uh, of course, I met Jim Estes, and they got my file, they reached out to me and said, Hey, would you like to join this program? And I had never looked at golf as a way of getting better. But my physical therapist told me if you can get into a rehabilitative sports program for wounded warriors, you should absolutely do it because golf is great for the type of musculoskeletal injuries that you have. It's it's wonderful because it makes you move your body in ways that you don't normally do it throughout the day. And so, yeah, went to the clinic uh with SMGA, met some people that I will never not be friends with. And it's such a blessing to be able to spend time with folks that have been in your situation. It's almost serendipitous to meet people who have had the same amount of misery in their life because misery likes company, right? And you feel better, not because you're reminiscing about how bad things were, but that other people understand you. That's truly the value of SMGA is bringing together veterans so that their mind doesn't wander. And unfortunately, as you know, a certain amount of veterans, you know, commit suicide a day. This is just one more way to keep veterans' minds on track, right? To become productive members of society. And I'll I'll tell you, I have I have loved every minute of being a part of this organization, so much so that I think CJ will tell you, I had my birthday in February. I did a GoFundMe, my birthday present was to give money back to the organization that has given so much to me. That's how much I love these guys.
SPEAKER_00:That is amazing. Can you tell me a little bit about what the clinic was like for you when you first went?
SPEAKER_02:So here's the running joke, right? All military branches play golf, that they'll some some will tell you that they don't, some will tell they do. The Air Force always gets joked on quite a bit uh because uh they they I think they called us the country club in the uh in the military because uh we have nicer golf courses historically on our on our military installations. I did not pick up golf to be a proficient golfer until I was in the clinic with SMJ. The volunteers that are a part of the program have hearts of megatons of gold. They are just they're unpaid, but they love the veteran community. They don't get any sort of you know monetary compensation, but they will talk to you for hours and they'll make you feel better about yourself and they will guide you through each of the principles of how to strike a ball correctly, you know, how to get out of a sand trap. CJ will tell you that we we have a cadre of not just really good scratch golfers, but we also have PGA professionals that have donated their time and their resources and their training aids to make sure that veterans actually enjoy the game. And a lot of the charity tournaments that we play, the participants are a little afraid of the SMGA teams because we come in swinging pretty hard. And so I'll tell you my personal story. I was not a very good golfer at the very beginning, and I've won a couple of tournaments in the past year that make CJ smile, right? But that's all because of the program.
SPEAKER_00:And how long have you been involved with SMGA?
SPEAKER_02:Oh, maybe four or five years now. Um best four or five years of my life.
SPEAKER_00:So when your PT was saying that it would be very beneficial for you to be able to play golf, how do you feel about it now? Did it really help with your injuries? Or tell me a little bit about how golf had any type of impact on the injuries that you sustained?
SPEAKER_02:So I think SMJ is less of a golf organization and more of a fellowship.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_02:I think I think that's probably the best way to look at it. Golf is just the way and the means of bringing people together. But I believe, and and CJ will tell you, I believe the intent of the program is to A, show appreciation for the veteran community, specifically wounded warriors, right? And then B to create a forum, an alumni, you know, an association where people will have unlimited amounts of support. So unfortunately, we had a couple of SMGA members pass away in the past because of critical injuries they've received or life-threatening illnesses. And and we all came together for dinner to remember them, right? That wouldn't have happened if SMGA didn't exist and were able to, you know, make each other feel better, you know, reminisce about the good times, and then honor, you know, that person that passed away uh because of SMGA.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. That's incredible. You mentioned that you should write a book. And I was just thinking you you probably should. You've had quite a lot of experience, and I really do think that would be a very interesting book. So I think you should really sit on that and think about that. You have an incredible story. And so, CJ, I want to talk a little bit about your programs and your clinics that you do offer, and then you also have a membership as well.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, absolutely. So, in the case of let's just say, like here in Maryland, we do our clinics in the spring and the and in the fall, typically on Saturday mornings. Every clinic is a two-hour clinic, typically 10 a.m. to noon. And typically we'll have, you know, maybe some coffee and donuts before when people are arriving. And then the clinics go straight from for two hours. They're run by local PGA professionals who are certified in teaching adaptive golf. And they'll go through everything from the beginning of the clinics, going through the basics for those who have never maybe never been introduced to the sport at all. They'll go through the complete basics from the rules to what the clubs are to the grips to everything. And then you'll go through different uh stages or stations throughout the clinic. So one station might be putting, one might be chipping, one might be short irons, long irons, fairway woods, drivers, that whole thing. And so the course of basically 12 hours of sessions, we do six two-hour clinic series uh sessions throughout the spring and the fall. So you'll go through 12 hours of instruction, professional instruction. And once you complete those 12 hours, uh whether that's through six two-hour sessions or 12 one-hour sessions, if you were in our American golfer program, you then become a full-fledged SMGA member. And what that means is that each veteran who completes the program receives a brand new set of tailor-made golf clubs, sometimes ping golf clubs, full set, fully fitted to the specs of each individual player. And then also through our partnerships with Adidas and Puma, every veteran receives full apparel as well, head-to-toe, golf bag, shoes, shirt, hat, all that stuff. And then once they get all that and full-fledged member, they also have playing opportunities. So we have relationships with public and private golf courses throughout the country. Like let's say here in the DC area, Montgomery County Golf, all of the Montgomery County golf courses allow our SMGA veterans to come out and play for free if they're walking or a minimal cart fee if they decide to take a cart. But that's seven days a week at any time. Uh so really uh some special relationships and perks uh for the veterans to be able to go out and play some beautiful golf courses at no cost or minimal cost. And then we also have relationships with golf tournaments. SMGA puts on their own golf tournaments throughout the year, but there are also several other partnerships with additional charitable golf tournaments, some that are military and veteran related, some that are just charitable golf tournaments, could be like the American Heart Association or whatever, where a uh corporate sponsor decides that they'd rather send a group of veterans to play in the tournament as opposed to clients or their own employees and that sort of thing. So, in those cases, we place SMGA veterans in real nice charitable golf tournaments where they get to play a beautiful course and also get to network with uh business people, you know, in the area. And so all of this is at zero charge to the veterans. There's no cost for them at all to go through SMGA's programming. It's an awesome experience. Like I said, the majority of them had never played golf before over the years. We still, you know, the good thing is that we have overwhelming interest from veterans on a daily basis to come into SMGA's programming. The challenging thing is that we do have a lengthy waiting list in the case of like our American golfer program throughout the country that we've been working through, even dating back to uh still feeling the repercussions from COVID to getting through that to help these uh the vets that are on this waiting list.
SPEAKER_00:So, how do you see SMGA in the future?
SPEAKER_01:Well, I hopefully see it as a uh with a waiting list that doesn't exist anymore because we've uh we've gotten some some resources, some uh corporate sponsorship or grants that have been able to help us uh get through our waiting list. But in any case, I mean, I I hopefully I'd like to say that I like to see SMGA growing. Like I said, the uh the inquiries we receive from veterans on a daily basis, I mean, are there in the five to tens per day? And that's without us actively marketing ourselves to the veteran community, the veterans find us. And I'd like to sit here and say I'd like to see SMGA grow to more chapters throughout the country and being more visible in the veteran community to be able to even help even more. We just need more resources. So, you know, that's the challenge for us.
SPEAKER_02:Do you mind if I I jump in there real quick? So one of the things that I I have um noticed about SMGA and the chapters that we have nationwide, right? And there's not a lot of chapters, but there could be, is the difference between SMGA and some of the other charitable organizations out there is, and and I love all the charities because they all do good things, but they're they're all very specific in what they support. SMGA is kind of a lifestyle, right? It's not just a one-time thing. It's not I had surgery and they're gonna send me some crutches, or I'm sick and they sent me, you know, a get well package. SMGA is a lifelong commitment from the founders, right? From from CJ and Jim and Jamie, the guys that started this thing, to us, right? And that sort of commitment is so rare to find in a charity. I don't want to embarrass CJ, but I'm I'm gonna because we're doing this podcast. Every time we go to a golf tournament, there's always a a wounded warrior, an SMGA member, that is often asked to give uh like a keynote address or a speech. I watch CJ all the time, right? And CJ tears up every single time. Someone who doesn't care about what they're doing, that doesn't happen. So I don't want to get too emotional thinking about it, but like those are the kind of people that operate and own SMGA. So if anyone was interested that's listening to this that wanted to contribute to, I think, the betterment of wounded warriors and their state of mind and their resiliency, smga.org is pretty easy to find on online and it's even easier to donate. So that's my plug for the program.
SPEAKER_00:I love it, Jason. I was just about to ask, how can we help you guys and your organization?
SPEAKER_01:So he's gonna kill me for saying all that stuff. No, no, no, no. I mean, no, I appreciate that. Thank you, Jason. But yeah, I mean, that's I mean, Jamie, though we do uh tournaments that we run throughout the country and DC area here. We have two major fundraising events, one that's in June and and then another that's in September that's around uh 9-11. And you know, so that's one way for the community to participate and also you know see the program in action as well, because we always have a good amount of veterans who have come through SMGA's programming who participates in these tournaments. So you get to sort of, you know, experience a day where you can support the program, meet the veterans, get to see the veterans play as well and you know, enjoy the day. Aside from that, our biggest need is for corporate sponsors and any kind of whether it's individual donations or corporate donations or grants, that's our biggest need. Uh we also have relationships with different companies that uh will run charitable golf tournaments, you know, for SMGA. And that's another way as well. If anybody's listening or watching and they've always, you know, wanted to have a charitable golf tournament for their business, but they don't have necessarily a charity in mind. Uh, they can certainly reach out to us, and SMGA would be happy to be the benefiting charity uh for any tournament or any function. It doesn't have to be a golf tournament. It could be uh could be a spaghetti dinner, could be a breakfast, could be, could be a uh anything like that. It doesn't always have to be a golf tournament as a as a fundraiser.
SPEAKER_00:You guys can get creative. No, my husband has been to your golf tournament and says that it really is quite amazing and he really enjoyed it. So that's something that he does annually, of course. And I before I let you both go, you know, Jason, CJR, is there anything that we haven't covered that you think, you know, people should know?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I would just say that also if if those people are listening in the DC area, you're welcome to come out to only golf park to actually see a clinic as well and uh see our veterans and our pros in action and how it actually works. I know a lot of people sometimes when they hear about SMGA, they go, well, how does golf, how does golf actually really rehabilitate or help the stress level of veterans or help any kind of issues they're facing? And I understand, especially for non-golfers, it is sort of hard to comprehend how golf fits into rehabilitation, you know, but we've done actually professional studies on this, and and it uh we have some incredible set success stories. You know, Jason talked about some of his injuries. You know, we've taught hundreds of amputees how to play golf, including triple amputees how to play golf, which is for a lot of people hard to comprehend how you know someone triple amputee could swing a golf club, but they not only swing the golf club, they swing the golf club successfully. You know, we have a piece of equipment called a paragolfer, where if a veteran doesn't have use of his or her legs or or doesn't have their legs, they can get into this piece of equipment called a paragolfer where essentially you're strapped in underneath your arms and there's two remote controls on it, one of which drives the vehicle throughout the golf course, including onto the green so it doesn't damage the green. Go up on the T-boxes. You can even go into sand traps with it, in and out of sand traps, and so that controls that. And the other control essentially takes the seat and stands you vertical. So you're strapped in and your arms are free flowing, so you're able to swing the golf club while you're braced in standing straight up, and it's a pretty amazing piece of equipment. And I just tell you a quick story. We had a veteran named uh Steven, and like I said, we've had some incredible success stories. This is just one of them, but uh, we had a veteran named Steven who, in the case, as I mentioned before, that you know, a large number of the vets who have come through the program were not previous golfers. In this case, Steven was actually an avid golfer prior to his injury, and he um he suffered a traumatic injury and was paralyzed from the waist down. And so he came back and he was actually at a uh Washington commanders game. They weren't the commanders then, and he was in a uh a suite with another veterans organization, and uh there happened to be some guys who were in the in the suite with him, some veterans who were in the suite with him who had gone through SMGA. And so they noticed that he was sort of very quiet, off to himself, you know, not in a very good place. And so they, you know, went over to him and said, introduced themselves and said, you know, hey, you know, what's going on? What do you like to do? And he said, Well, I used to love to play golf, but I can't do that anymore, you know, very frustrated. And uh he said, you know, I can't do that anymore. And they said, Yes, you can. You can uh through SMGA, you can play golf. They, you know, have a piece of equipment called a paragolfer. And um, about you know, a few days later, a week later, his wife brought him out to an SMGA clinic at only golf park. And I strapped him in the paragolfer, and we went out to the clinic. And so, like I said, we usually go from about 10 to 12, and then we break and everybody sits down for lunch, and it's a great sense of community for the vets to sit down with everybody and have lunch. And so we, you know, noon came and it was time for the clinic to end to go to lunch. And I said, Stephen, you know, hey, it's time to break for lunch. And he said, if you don't mind, I'd like to just stay out here. And so I said, Yeah, of course. So I stayed out there with him for probably another 30 or 45 minutes and, you know, just hitting balls. And he actually hold one from about 65 yards when we were out at the practice facility. And, you know, I knew the story is we came in, and you know, his wife was in tears, and she said, uh, you know, this is the first time since he's been home in six months that he's actually smiled. He'd actually, when he came home uh from the hospital, the first thing he had done is he wheeled himself into the garage, got his golf clubs, and had wheeled himself out to the trash can and threw his golf clubs in the trash can because he thought he'd never ever play golf again. And, you know, so to see his wife and the the joy and her tears and the happiness of saying, you know, this is the first time that Steven had actually smiled in the six months he'd been home, you know, he, you know, like I said, most of our veterans had never played golf in this case. He thought he never would play the game or do the thing that he loved uh, you know, so much. And uh SMGA was able to give that opportunity back to him. Those are, you know, it's just one of the success stories. There's a lot of them that are out there that are pretty powerful and moving. Jason's is certainly uh one of them as well. But uh that's you know the core of what SMGA is is about is making life better in any kind of way possible for our veterans who have given so much, you know, for our freedom to you know encourage them and to help their quality of life through this game of golf that we love so much. And uh also, you know, as Jason said, you know, the golf is really a vehicle to get them to a place, to a community with other veterans and a network with other veterans to help enrich life.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. CJ, you had you had me tearing up. Oh my gosh. Thank you for sharing that so much. And thank you, Jason, for sharing your story and your experience with SMGA. And can you please let everyone know how to follow you guys, how to find you?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's two ways. Well, let me let me jump on CJ. There's there's two ways to do it. The easiest way is to find us on Facebook, right? The SMJ page is extremely responsive. And then, of course, the website, smga.org. But like CJ said, one of the better ways to do it, especially if you're in the DC area, is to go to only golf park in only Maryland and and just stop by and see. See what the see what all the fuss is about, right? And see why CJ loves this program so much.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's um on Instagram and Twitter, all the social media, it's at SMGA Warrior Golf. And like uh Jason said, smg a.org. And if you go to smg aor.org, you'll find also not only all the information about the program, in case you know some veterans or you're a veteran yourself watching or listening to this and and you know want to get involved with SMGA's programming, you'll find it there. But you also find information on um our tournaments that we have if you want to play in our tournaments and support the organization that way. And as Jason said, there's also a sweet little donate button that's on the SMGA.org page as well.
SPEAKER_00:So perfect. Well, you know, I can't thank you both enough for for what you've, you know. Done for us and for the community. So I want to thank you guys again for coming on. And I want to thank everybody for tuning in to another episode of the Truman Charities podcast. Until next time. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Please go on to Truman Charities.com to register for our Halloween event. As I said, space is limited, so you do not want to miss out on all of the fun. So go on there today, get yourself registered, and we will see you all on the 25th. Thanks again.
