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Since Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, the country has faced immense challenges to its democratic institutions. How can a country maintain the rule of law when its courts and legal professionals are targeted? In this special episode of Just Chat, guest host and president of the Law Society of NSW, Ronan MacSweeney, talks with two people who have been at the centre of the resilience of the Ukrainian legal system: the president of the Ukrainian Bar Association (UBA), Mykola Stetsenko, and the Director of the Institute of Human Rights of the UBA, Inna Liniova.