Spiritual Life and Leadership

49. Flourishing, Suffering, and the Renewal of All Things, with Trevor Lee, host of Speak in the Suffering

Markus Watson

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In this episode, Trevor Lee discusses the importance of getting past the ministry model that just tries to get people through our discipleship programs. Instead, we need a model that values the uniqueness and inherent worth of each person.  We also talked a lot about suffering.  And we talked about the part suffering plays—ironically!—in the healing of the world.


THIS EPISODE’S HIGHLIGHTS INCLUDE:

  • Trevor Lee is a Development Representative with Made to Flourish and host of Speak in the Suffering podcast.
  • The most formative book Trevor has red is A Failure of Nerve by Edwin Friedman.
  • Trevor Lee learned through Made to Flourish that the work of every person is sacred and is a participation in the mission of God.
  • The mission of Made to Flourish is to help pastors bridge the gap between Sunday and Monday for their congregations.
  • Made to Flourish is focused on equipping and forming pastors to walk their people to live for the good of the world in their places of work and home.
  • There is no inherent distinction between sacred and secular, between clergy and laity.
  • A great idea is to do interviews with people about their work in the worship gatherings. Trevor got mixed reviews when he did this in his church.
  • The mission of Trevor’s former church was worded like this: “Participating with God in the renewal of all things, and people in particular.”
  • The mission involves evangelism, but it points toward something even bigger—the renewal of everything.
  • Trevor Lee defines shalom as everything being as God intended.
  • God wants people to be made whole.
  • God wants the harmony of all things.
  • Suffering plays a unique part in the fulfillment of God’s mission. God uses suffering in profoundly redemptive ways that nothing can replace.
  • Trevor Lee shares about the challenges he faced in his last congregation.
  • Embracing our suffering can help us move through the pain and into healing on the other side.
  • Markus’ experience of suffering changed the way he thinks about what really matters in ministry.
  • Markus suggests that organizations like Made to Flourish and Flourish San Diego want to help pastors humanize their people.
  • The key quality a pastor needs to help people flourish is humility.
  • You can find out more about Made to Flourish at https://www.madetoflourish.org/

 

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