Aging ain't for Sissies
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Aging ain't for Sissies
A 62-Year-Old And Her 13-Year-Old Niece Talk About Growing Up And Growing Older
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I'm on vacation this week, so I hope you'll enjoy this replay of one of my favorite episodes!
This episode is a fun and honest conversation across generations. We ask each other the questions people don't always think to ask—from friendships and first memories to aging, respect, marriage, health, and what really matters at every stage of life. We don't agree on everything, but that's what makes the conversation so good.
In this episode, we talk about:
- Why every age has something valuable to teach us.
- How friendships change as we move through different stages of life.
- Our earliest memories—and why some stay with us forever.
- The best age to be and why gratitude can shape every season of life.
- Respect for older adults, whether it's on public transportation, at home, or in everyday interactions.
- Advice for teens navigating social media, friendships, and growing up.
- Why some older adults become isolated or grumpy—and how connection can make a difference.
- When it's okay to ask someone's age...and when it's probably better not to.
- Marriage, settling down, divorce, and why your twenties are such an important time of life.
- Alzheimer's disease, Lewy body dementia, and how these illnesses affect entire families.
- Retirement communities versus multigenerational living—and what we gain when generations stay connected.
- Exercise, appearance, and realistic ways to age as well as we can.
- Longevity, quality of life, and what we hope for at the end of our journey.
Thanks for spending part of your day with us. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we enjoyed having it.
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Enjoy the show—and I'll be back soon with brand-new episodes!
Summer Break And Favorite Replays
SPEAKER_00Hey friends. Before we jump into today's episode, I wanted to let you know I'm taking a little summer vacation. And yes, even podcasters need to recharge once in a while. While I'm away, I'm bringing back some of my favorite episodes. These are conversations that are just as relevant today as when they first aired. And I think they're worth another listen. Whether this is your first time hearing it or your second, maybe your third, who knows? I hope you find something new to take away from it. I'll be back soon and brand new episode with brand new episodes. Until then, thanks for listening. Thanks for being here. And remember, Aging A for Sissies. On today's episode, I have a very exciting podcast for you. My 13-year-old great niece Brooke and I are going to be asking each other questions about aging. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun. So stick with us. Grab your coffee, get your iced tea, whatever time you're listening. If you're in the car, maybe even your mom's listening. Who knows? In the car on the way to work. So we hope you enjoy this episode. I think we're going to have fun doing it. But right now, just get ready and I'll tell you a little bit about the weekend.
Chicago Week With Brooke And Chris
SPEAKER_00Okay, so what kind of a week have I had? An exhausting week. I've had my great niece Brooke and my great nephew Chris here in Chicago, and we have been non-stop. We have been at the bean. We have watched fireworks. We have just had a great time. But boy, I'm telling you, I'm not as young as I once was, which is the whole point of this podcast the aging ain't for sissies. Well, this week was not for sissies, but we did it. We managed to get through the week, and I think we had a really good time. We toured the city, we went to the Museum of Science and Industry. One of the funnest things we did is we got on a tall ship, sailing ship at 9 o'clock or 9.15. And um we went out into the lake and we got to watch the fireworks come out be shot off the lake. Just so beautiful with the city behind it. It was a beautiful day. We had been at the beach. It was 84. And then today it is freezing and cold and drizzly. But uh the whole week that they were here or the five days were beautiful weather except for today. And today was the day we went up in the Sears Tower and we saw nothing but clouds. But I think it was still fun because we got to go through the museum and we got to take tons of insta pictures. So that's always fun for the gram. And uh as my nephew calls it, the gram. And I think we um I think we had a really good time. All right, I'm gonna put you on the spot, Brooke, because you're sitting right here. What was your favorite thing we did?
SPEAKER_02Um, probably the big bus on the first day because you got to go on and off whenever you want, and you could go around the whole city.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so there's a good tip. The on and off bus. Now we've done that, Craig and I have done that in many cities we've been in, but it was really enjoyable, especially it was a beautiful day. We sat up top, and again, you could get on and off as often as you wanted. And one time we rode it around the whole loop and got to see all of the different architecture here in the city. And for me, who does all the driving, I have to agree with Brooke. It was really fun because I've got to finally look around and see the city I've lived in for a year in a whole different way. And I think that was a super fun trip. So they go home tomorrow, which will be Monday when this episode airs. And um I think they'll come back. Yeah. Yep, yeah. Okay, and they'll come back. Um, we we managed to squeeze ourselves into our one-bedroom condo, and the kids slept in the living area, and Craig and I had our bedroom, and the cats were everywhere, and they're still everywhere. And we managed to make it through the week, and it was uh it was a lot of fun. It really was. I did a lot of walking. It tells me I'm still not ready and in shape for my trips coming up, but I'm doing the best I can. We rode the trains today. That was the kids' first um trip down into the L. And we rode the upper train and the underground train, which was really a lot of fun, something new and exciting. And and because it's such a cold day, I think all the tourists and stuff stayed in more. So it wasn't so crowded in the city today, which was a lot more fun. The weather has a lot to do with it. How great the cats are gonna come in the room and um do some fighting. Well, I think that that kind of wraps up the week. Um, they're gonna take we're gonna take the kids to the airport tomorrow, and then oh, I'm gonna take a breath and maybe sleep the whole afternoon. They get to sleep on the plane on the way home. So four hours. There you go. You guys get four hours of sleep. I gotta get through the traffic, get home, and then maybe I can do some sleep.
Doctor Updates And Q&A Setup
SPEAKER_00All right. Well, that's enough about me, enough about my week. Next week, I've got some doctor's appointments coming up. Shocking, isn't it? You guys are so surprised that I have some doctor's appointments. But I see my cardiologist after all my cardiology tests. So we should have some information. Hopefully, it's good news. I would like that. So sit back again, refill that coffee, pay attention to the road, Angie, if you're driving. And um Brooke and I are gonna ask each other some questions. It should be fun.
First Questions About Age And Culture
SPEAKER_00Okay, we're back. And now Brooke and I are gonna ask each other questions. Okay, Brooke, first introduce yourself to the audience.
SPEAKER_02Um, my name is Brooke, and I'm gonna be in eighth grade at Payne Junior High, and I'm 13.
SPEAKER_00All right, 13. There's an age, right, everyone? 13 years old. So we're we're gonna kind of go back and forth on questions, and Brooke has some, and we have some that we're gonna do together. So, all right, Brooke. First question you ask me, right? Or I ask you.
SPEAKER_01You ask me.
SPEAKER_00We have this complicated system, but we're gonna go. All right, Brooke. Who is the oldest person that you know? Um, Pa. Okay, Pa is um my mom's dad.
SPEAKER_02Okay, perfect. And what do you know about his life? Um, he likes to go golfing. Okay.
SPEAKER_00And yeah, he really likes golf. Okay. So we talked about a little earlier that maybe the next time you see Pa, you might ask him some questions. Like, what was his first job? What was his first car? Those are kind of where he grew up. Yeah. So you might want to learn more, a little bit more about Pa. So I think that's great. So you're you're gonna learn a little bit more. All right, Brooke, what does a person's age tell us?
SPEAKER_02Um, a person's age can tell you, like, if they're older, they've been through more than like um a younger person. True.
SPEAKER_00Like they've experienced more things. I think that's very true. I think as a general rule, somebody who's 60 has experienced more than 30. Yes. All right, so I think that's uh that's very good. Is a person's age important in your culture? And how is it important? I don't think it is. Okay, so see, I think that's very interesting. So you don't think that a person's age is important in our culture? No, I think anybody could can do anything at any age. Yeah, and I think that's a really good attitude because I think my guess would be that there's a lot of young people, and it and I think it could be young people that haven't been around older people, think that older people are just useless. Right? Yeah. I think that a lot of young people think that. And I think you have the opportunity beyond different age people. You have older parents, number one. Yeah, I had older parents considerable at my when it was my day. And I think when you're raised with older parents, you have a different view of aging in people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay, and you hang around me, so and I'm old. So all right, the next question we're gonna both answer. So, are your friends, are you friends with anyone who is much older or younger than you? And do you think that age makes a difference in being friends? So at 13, what do you think?
SPEAKER_02I had some friends that were younger, but when I went to middle school and I never saw them anymore, I didn't really talk to them. Okay. Because I didn't go to the same school and I just never saw them.
SPEAKER_00So but when you were friends with them, do you think at the time you were friends with them that your age made a difference in how you acted together? Or not really. You just had fun, you had similar interests, so you had fun. Um, for me, and I think as you get older, I think you have a large group of friends. I have, I was very blessed to have a job and an office where there's a lot of 30-somethings that work there. They listen to this, and I was able to become friends with them and stay friends with them. And I would think, and I think they would say that my age had no bearing on our friendship. Yeah. I'm twice their age or almost twice their age, and we're still friends till this day. So I think as you get older, that line gets closer. Do you know what I mean? So, all
Memories And The Best Age To Be
SPEAKER_00right. So the next one, um what is your earliest memory? How old were you? And why do you remember that moment? We're gonna both answer this one.
SPEAKER_02All right. My earliest memory. I don't remember my house when I lived in Pennsylvania. My earliest one was in California. So you remember that California house? Yes, I do remember that house.
SPEAKER_00And do you remember your friends like Sydney? Yes, I'm still friends with her. Okay, that's great. So you remember, so let's say how old were you when you moved to Arizona? I was in second grade. Okay, so you your first memory is probably kindergarten, maybe even younger? Probably um yeah, preschool or kindergarten, yeah. Okay, all right. My my earliest memory would probably be kindergarten. And the weird thing about my memories are not positive. They're not positive. Not when I was a kid. I remember all the bad things. I don't remember a lot of the good things. And my sisters, your grandmother, always say, Well, we had great birthday parties and things for you, but for some reason I don't have those memories, and I I am stuck in a negative young memory thing. So that's a bummer for me for being young. But I then my memories got better. But yeah, when I was real young, I I don't have great memories. I don't know why, and I don't want to know why. So we just let it go. Okay, you asked me the next one, right?
SPEAKER_02Okay, in your opinion, what is the best age to be?
SPEAKER_00Wait, we just did that one.
SPEAKER_02No, that's six. We just did five.
SPEAKER_00Oh, we did. You're right.
SPEAKER_02Your number is a good one.
SPEAKER_00We can't keep track of each other. Go ahead. You're bet you're younger, you're right.
SPEAKER_02In your opinion, what is the best age to be? What's a good what's good about that age?
SPEAKER_01Hmm.
SPEAKER_00I think, well, I honestly think whatever age you are is the best age because at 62, I am grateful that I lived this long. It could be, it could be worse. I could have not made it to 62. So I think you have to be grateful for wherever you are. But honestly, I think my best age was in like early 40s, because I think when you turn 40, people start respecting you more, like 20s and 30s, not so much. And I think the older people, which I am now, respect people in their 40s. And I think I looked good and I felt good in my 40s. So I'm thinking that. I'm thinking that. Okay. All right. The next one. Is that for me? Mine says I ask you. Okay, then ask me.
SPEAKER_02Growing up can be hard. Is there any age you didn't enjoy?
SPEAKER_00Well, let's start where I remember. I start remembering mostly things in third grade. I didn't really enjoy junior high. I have to be honest. No. I mean, my nickname was Jolly Green Jackass. Oh, that was in elementary school. So I didn't, I went to a private school and I didn't really like that until I was in third grade. I think I really started enjoying my age is when I was in high school. I had a good time. I I I liked high school. I think um younger than that, I had a hard time. You know, whenever you're different than the rest of the kids, they they tend to pick on you. So I was tall. I was about this tall when I was in sixth grade. So that was kind of a bummer. But um, yeah, I'm gonna say junior high was probably the worst for me.
SPEAKER_02All right. Mine says you ask me also.
SPEAKER_00Okay. All right. Our tastes in um okay, our tastes in many areas change as we get older. What did you like before that you don't like now? What did you dislike before and now you like? Now, this is a hard one because your eating habits are the worst. Okay, yeah, we both have to answer this. Right now, your eating habits are the worst. In a few minutes, you're gonna have to try Chicago deep dish. And I know that is scary. So, so I had chicken a couple nights ago. Yes, you did. You did have some chicken. So our taste in many areas changed. So, what did you like before that you is there anything you liked before that you don't like now? Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Sausage on pizza. When I was little, I loved it, and now I just don't need it anymore.
SPEAKER_00Okay, very good. Um, what did I like? I used to like juice when I was young. I don't like juice now. All right. So, what did we like before and now? What did we not like before and now we enjoy? I know exactly what my answer is. Um, my answer is coconut. I hated coconut when I was little. It felt like you chewed it forever and then it was still there. Like an hour or two hours later, all of a sudden you find a piece of coconut and you're chewing on it again. And I hated it. But now I absolutely love all things coconut. It's so weird. So that is my that's mine that I didn't like and now I like. Is there anything you didn't like? Um that now you like?
SPEAKER_02Well, there's things that like I didn't try before, but that I tried and I did like, like a quesadilla. Never liked them, but now I do.
SPEAKER_00All right. Okay, so you didn't like a quesadilla and now you do. I like that. All right, the next one.
Respect, Manners, And Advice For Teens
SPEAKER_00You ask, oh wait, who asks who that one? Uh I should ask you that one. Yeah. Do you respect the elderly and how do you show your respect?
SPEAKER_02Yes, I do. Like if they're like holding a door open for someone that's an easy one just to do, to be nice to absolutely.
SPEAKER_00So today we rode the train. If you saw an old lady get on older than me, maybe the age of your grandma. Sorry, Cindy, just kidding. Um, would you stand up if they're the train was crowded? Would you give them your seat? Yes. I'm glad to hear that. I think that's great. And I think it runs into the next question. Are young people less polite today than like when I was younger? I have to say yes. I think young people, we I I think it's because we feared our elders. Uh-huh. So we were more respectful, which isn't a good thing, okay, to fear your elders, but we did. Like our moms could look us, give us one look like they're gonna kill us, and we knew it. I think that for your generation and the younger generations, your parents aren't quite like that. So maybe it seems like you're not as respectful. But I know you kids are. You kids are very respectful. But I think as a general rule, young people, because they don't have fear of elders, are maybe not as respectful as they should be. Yeah. I think so. I think so. And I and like I say, that's kind of a double-edged sword, everyone, because being afraid of older people is and your parents is not a great thing. So I don't know where to find the balance on that, but I know you have because you don't fear your parents, no, but you do know respect. And so I think your parents have done a great job giving you that balance. I don't think a lot of other parents have. They've just let their kids be feral and let the world figure it out. And I and I don't think that's great.
SPEAKER_02All right. All right, I'll read this one too. Okay. Do you ever give advice to people who are younger than you? What advice could you give to a teenager?
SPEAKER_00I do. I did all the time. It was the thing I loved about my office. Um, the people really respected me as an adult and as a human that's lived life, and they asked me a lot of questions. And um, I gave a lot of advice. Um, what advice would I give a teenager? The advice I would give a teenager is when things go bad, you guys freak out and you think it's gonna be forever, right? Okay, and things do go bad, especially with social media and all the stuff. But I always showed my kids a timeline of their life and like this is the beginning, this is the end, right? Look at the tiny blip that that is in your life, right? Yeah. And so don't sweat the small stuff. You know, I know it's hard and I know it's feelings are involved, but if you look at it through the whole, your whole long life timeline, it takes up such a tiny blip in it that it really doesn't matter in the long run. So if you can remember that, maybe it won't seem so bad. But I do know that feelings get involved and get hurt and that that stinks. And social media is a really hard thing for young people to navigate these days. All right, the next one I ask you, but it is kind of for both of us. But I think I think this one's a both. Yeah, I know I said both, but I I'm thinking, have you met any grumpy old men or grumpy old women? And what do you think makes them unhappy?
SPEAKER_02I don't think I've really met and like grumpy, but like if I see an older person, like I'll smile or whatever, and they just like don't do anything or something. They just give you a look. Yeah, they don't smile back.
SPEAKER_01That sucks.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think. Um, what do you think makes them unhappy? Um, I don't know, maybe something could have happened in their life that made them sad or maybe they lost their spouse or their kids don't talk to them.
SPEAKER_00Those can be sad things when you're older. Yeah, I know. I think sometimes, and I think sometimes older people just think they have the right to be grumpy because they're old. Yeah. And I I just think you should be grateful you're old because the alternative is you're in the ground. Like, but I I do think sometimes people just think, I think that as we get older, we think we have a right to be miserable or make other people miserable. And I don't think that's good. So let's try to change that. Okay, next one. What do we do?
SPEAKER_02Uh I'm asking you.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, when is it okay to ask someone their age?
SPEAKER_00Do you mind telling people your age? I absolutely do not mind telling people my age. Again, I'm grateful to be 62 and have lived this long. I don't think it's ever okay to ask people their age. No, like I don't even know most people's age. I guess we ask teenagers how people ask you the whole time you've been here how old are you? Oh, yeah. So I guess it's okay to ask young people. Just don't ask old people. Because now that I think about it, each time we met somebody or been in the building or like this morning. Yes. They asked me, like, how old are you? Yeah. Well, that was kind of nice in church that that guy asked you that question. I thought that was kind of cool. Okay.
Marriage Timing And Divorce Fears
SPEAKER_00This one I'm asking you, but we could both answer it. All right. What is the best age for a person to settle down and get married, and why do you think that?
SPEAKER_02Um I would say like in your 20s.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Whereabouts in your 20s? There's there's 10 years in there or nine years in there.
SPEAKER_02Not in the beginning.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02So like I'd say like 24. Okay, when you could start. Yeah. All right, 24.
SPEAKER_00I disagree. Well, I don't know. No, I think that's fair. That's your answer. Why do you think that?
SPEAKER_02Why do you think 24? Because you don't want to be like too young and you don't want to be too old. Well, because if you're too young, like you'll just get a divorce and then like, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I know that's kind of scary, isn't it? Especially for your generation. Um, I I I kind of go towards the 30. So I go towards the later 20s, early 30s. I think your 20s are your time to make your mistakes and learn from them and grow. And I would prefer if that's not a divorce. I don't want you to make that mistake, you know. And um, I think some marriages can last in their from people in their early 20s, but I think it's maybe a little harder. And I think that I would go towards the late 20s and into the early 30s. And both of my kids are following suit, right? That they're 28 and 30, and nobody's married yet. So I I kind of like that. Craig and I were 30 and 35 when we got married. And um I I I think that was good for us. But it's different for everyone, I guess, right? Okay. All right, where are we? 16. Okay, we're skipping 15. Because we thought it was stupid. Okay. All right.
Alzheimer’s, Dementia, And Family Reality
SPEAKER_00Do I ask you that one? Yeah. Okay. But we both answer. Okay. Age-related diseases such as Alzheimer's makes life difficult for some elderly people and their family members. Do you have any experience yet in your family with Alzheimer's? Okay, good question. What's Alzheimer's? Alzheimer's is a D disease that takes away your memory, basically. Um, so they can forget who you are. Even it could happen to me, and one day you would look at me and I wouldn't even know who you are. That would be so sad, wouldn't it? Yeah, it would be really sad. I know. Now we're gonna both cry. No, that would be really sad, but that's that's what happens. And it happens. I think you're very blessed that so far that hasn't happened in your family. And your grandparents are doing great, and your parents are doing great. So I think that that's a true blessing for you. My dad had Lewy body dementia, which is a form of Alzheimer's. Um, Daddy always knew who I was, but had lost reality of how old I was. So I was in my, oh wow, I was in my late 40s, and I would visit dad and he would ask why I wasn't in school. So I would just tell him because it was a holiday. There's no reason to explain to him, Dad, I'm in my 40s. Why? He doesn't remember. So I would always just kind of go along with whatever dad had. But he could remember things from way in the past. He just lost track of the future. And then at the point he got sick, um, he decided not to take his medicine and he knew he would pass away, but he took his own control. Um, he knew he was losing his mind, and that really was his decision. So that's what Alzheimer's is. And I'm so grateful that you haven't had to experience it in your life. And I hope that you are saved from that. All right.
Retirement Homes And Multigenerational Living
SPEAKER_00What happens to senior citizens in your culture? Are retirement homes common? Or do all generations live in the same house with their children?
SPEAKER_02Um, there are retirement homes right next to my house. Yes, there is. And the neighborhood right next to it.
SPEAKER_00Maybe one day I'll live there. Okay. And um, if you hear anything in the background, that is my robotic cat litter box going. Um, too late to change that. So I should have put it on hold. And then the cat's gonna jump in it. She likes to play like it's a ride. Okay. Um, so I think in our culture, most parents take care of themselves, but I think there are cultures which I absolutely adore, where the parents move back in with the kids and the kids they become one family, multi-generational family. Yeah. And I think that's pretty great. Um, unfortunately, I think in our culture, we feel like our parents need to take care of themselves and we need to just move on. So I I like the other idea though. I like when families are multi-generational because I think um we need to respect the elders in our society and realize that they're not useless, that they have a lot of information and knowledge and things that they can pass on. You know, they've even found that opening up daycares in a senior citizen's home is a great thing for the kids and the elderly people. Yeah. So everybody has something to contribute. And I think that we should respect that more. That's my opinion. Okay, next
Holding On To Youth And Feeling Older
SPEAKER_00one.
SPEAKER_02Uh, mine says, I ask you. Okay. Um people try to hold on to their youth, youth with exercise, surgery, or medication. How do you feel about getting older?
SPEAKER_00I think getting older sucks. And I think that any way you can slow it down, do it. I try to exercise the best I can. I can't have surgery, but I do Botox in my face, keep it less wrinkled. I know it's got a lot of wrinkles still, but could you imagine if I didn't do the Botox? It would be like dragging on the ground. So, I mean, I believe in doing whatever makes you happy and whatever you can afford. I think that's what Dolly Parton says. Whatever you can afford, whatever you can do, whatever makes you happy, do it. And that's what I believe for everyone. And I think that exercise is important. I think eating right is important. Um, obviously, I'm gonna find out some information from my cardiologist, what your doctors tell you. Um, I'm trying to take off some weight that I put on moving here to Chicago because I know it's better for me. So I think whatever you do, do what makes you happy. Because I don't think aging is easy. As my podcast says, aging ain't for sissies, right? It's not, it's art and it sucks sometimes. So yeah, do whatever you need to do. All right, I'm gonna ask you the next two. Maybe I'll answer, maybe I won't. What age do you hope to reach? And is do you think there's a such an uh thing as an ideal age to die?
SPEAKER_02Um, I'm not sure. Um there's not like a specific age I want to reach. I want to live as long as I can.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that's right. Okay.
SPEAKER_02And um no, I don't think there is an age that you should specifically
Ideal Lifespan And A Quote To End
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00So just recently I've had this epiphany. I may have said it on the podcast before you guys, but um, is there an ideal age to die? I think it's 90. Because I think everything just goes downhill after 90 and things break down and you're just stuck in this cycle of just trying to live. So I think I want to live the best I can. I don't think I'm gonna make it that long, to be honest, just because of who I am and the things I have going on with me. But I think at 90, I want to tap out. Like I'm done. After 90, it all just falls apart. And there's a few people that live well, it's not gonna be me. So that's what I think. Um, I want to reach the best age I can while my body and mind still work. When my body and mind no longer work, I really don't want to be here anymore. I don't want to be a burden to anyone, or I don't want to be a burden to myself. So that is my that's my thoughts on that one. And this is an interesting thing that Oscar Wilde said. He said, I am not young enough to know everything. What do you think that means? Um what I think it means is young people think they know everything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like Chris. Yeah, like Chris. He really thinks he knows everything.
SPEAKER_00He knows everything. He knows a lot. He does, but he doesn't know everything. So I think that's kind of what it means. Young, when we're young, we think we know everything, and as we get older, we realize how little we know. So we're not young enough anymore to know everything. That's what I think is meant by that. Yeah. All right, Miss Brooke, I really enjoyed this. Did you have a good time? Yes, I did. Okay. Well, I'm not gonna do a senior moment again this week because we did talk a lot and we did talk a long way. I hope you enjoyed our interview. I think that Brooke has a really good view of what young people are, and I think I had a really good view of what old people are. And I think, if nothing else, I hope you learned that young people do have a lot to offer. And I think young people should realize that us old people have a lot to offer, and we can get along. We had a good week, huh? Yeah. We had a lot of fun. So, anyways, thanks for listening. And remember what I always say AG Day for Sissy.