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And thank you"},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1356.72,"endTime":1360.2,"body":"for your contribution to AJVR."},{"speaker":"Andrea Oliver","startTime":1362.75,"endTime":1363.59,"body":"Thank you very"},{"speaker":"Andrea Oliver","startTime":1362.75,"endTime":1363.59,"body":"much."},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1364.55,"endTime":1366.71,"body":"And to our"},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1364.55,"endTime":1366.71,"body":"listeners, you can read Andrea"},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1366.71,"endTime":1370.43,"body":"and Andrew's manuscripts on our"},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1366.71,"endTime":1370.43,"body":"journals website. I'm Sarah"},{"speaker":"Sarah Wright","startTime":1370.43,"endTime":1373.25,"body":"Wright with Lisa Fortier. 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