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See It, Learn It, Do It: The Power of Video Manuscripts in Veterinary Medicine
Ever wondered how to master complex veterinary procedures without someone physically guiding you? Technical Tutorial Videos (TTVs) are revolutionizing veterinary education by providing visual demonstrations that text alone simply cannot convey.
In this illuminating conversation, three-time TTV author Dr. Rebecca Bishop shares her journey creating peer-reviewed video manuscripts for the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association. She reveals how these innovative publications serve as powerful teaching tools for techniques ranging from equine tracheobronchial washing to surgical instrument handling for left-handed practitioners. This latter topic holds special significance for Dr. Bishop, who was once told to "give up hope of being a surgeon" because she was left-handed – a limitation she has thoroughly disproven and now helps others overcome through her video teaching.
Dr. Bishop demystifies the production process, explaining how she plans content strategically, captures video footage, and records audio separately to create polished, educational resources. She shares practical advice for potential video creators: "Don't let fear of performance or technology hold you back." Unlike standard online videos, these manuscripts undergo rigorous peer review while remaining open access, allowing authors to retain copyright and share widely for teaching purposes. The format provides unique opportunities for collaboration, with Dr. Bishop involving veterinary trainees in scriptwriting and production.
Whether you're a practicing veterinarian seeking to expand your technical repertoire, an educator looking for innovative teaching methods, or a veterinary professional considering sharing your expertise through this medium, this episode offers valuable insights into the future of veterinary education. Watch Dr. Bishop's published technical tutorial videos on the AVMA Journals website or YouTube channel and consider how you might contribute to this growing educational resource.
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Speaker 2:You're listening to Veterinary Vertex, a podcast of the AVMA Journals. In this episode we chat about the Javma technical tutorial videos with our guest, rebecca Bischoff.
Speaker 3:episode we chat about the Javma technical tutorial videos with our guest, rebecca Bishop. Welcome listeners. I'm Editor-in-Chief Lisa Fortier and I'm joined by Associate Editor Sarah Wright. Today we have three-time author technical tutorial video. Author, rebecca Bishop. We're really excited listeners. This is a super cool novel manuscript type that, to our knowledge, really only Javma has in veterinary medicine. So, rebecca, thanks for taking time to be here with us today and share this exciting news with our listeners.
Speaker 4:Yeah, thank you so much, Sarah and Lisa, for inviting me to be here today. I'm really excited to talk about these fun new type of papers.
Speaker 2:Awesome, all right. Well, let's trot on over. I figured that was appropriate, since most of your technical tutorial videos are about equine topics. So, Rebecca, like we said today, we're chatting with you about our Javon AJVR Technical Tutorial Videos, or TTVs for shorts. So these video manuscripts are narrated video or animation sequences that provide a practical tutorial on a technique, different tools, methodologies or approaches in any area of veterinary medicine. As I said, you published several of these video manuscripts. What was your experience with creating and submitting these videos?
Speaker 4:Well. So, as you can guess, given that we've published a few of them now, I've had a really great time working on them and really enjoyed kind of the different creative outlet compared to writing traditional papers and scientific works. So I have some background in editing video Just like playing around with iMovie and kind of things like that and I really enjoy getting into new technologies and figuring out how they work. So I've really been of our group like the one spearheading the video editing. But it was a very interesting process to go through, kind of like how do we think about when we're teaching these different approaches? What do we need to go through step by step and really you know, to put the videos together? I had to take a step back to think about laying it out and I can certainly talk a little bit more about how we went about that process if you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've really been a leader, I know, at your institution too. I had another faculty member at your institution reach out to me and said Rebecca's publishing these really cool videos. I want to do that too. How can I do that? So thanks for being a leader there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I've met with a couple of people other people here in different services and certainly happy if anybody wants to reach out to kind of share some tips and tricks how we went about doing it. Awesome, Well, thank you.
Speaker 2:So how did you choose the topics for your video manuscripts?
Speaker 4:So we, you know, we were excited about the platform and so we sat down as a group and thought about what are techniques that would be applicable to practitioners out in the field, even though we work in a hospital setting. And then what would be kind of minimally invasive that we could do with our teaching horse of the horses that are available to us through donation in the time that's allotted, that would provide the most impact. And so we kind of came up with a list and together decided on. We have the video on the trach wash and abdominocentesis, which are like very nice bite-sized procedures that are also doable by a single practitioner.
Speaker 4:And then my other video is about left-handed surgical instrument use, and as a left-handed surgeon myself, I felt like that was an area where I didn't get a lot of support as a trainee, and I actually had somebody tell me when I was a vet student that I should give up hope of being a surgeon because I was left-handed. So that's something that was really personally important and is the one I've probably used the most to share with students and surgical trainees here to say you know, take this, sit at home, look at it, watch it and try to digest. You know how you can apply some of these thoughts to your own instrument handling.
Speaker 3:Thank you for teeing up my question. You just described one way in how you've used these videos and since they're open accesses, you know, and for our listeners, of course, if they're open access, rebecca and her team retain the copyright so they can post them on their own website, other than sharing with the students. How else have you used these video manuscripts since you published them?
Speaker 4:So far I've cited one of them in a paper and a grant because I do work with peritoneal fluids, so having a current resource of how we do the abominacentesis was really useful. And certainly have not shared. I've shared them on, like my LinkedIn and my social medias. I have my own YouTube channel. That's pretty minimal so I haven't shared it there, but mostly I've used it for teaching either current or former students.
Speaker 3:You said earlier that you have some experience with video editing. It's you know, as teachers, as educators, we're always talking Well, we're showing something. Here's a tip. Here's how you do this. How did you incorporate that into these video manuscripts when you were creating them?
Speaker 4:So the way I went about the process because when you think about sitting down to film yourself doing something, I think it's pretty stressful to think like I need to get everything I want to say and do all done in one shot and do it correctly. So from the beginning of the process I you know, sitting in my office kind of came up with a step by step you know what are the important points I want to capture and thought about like what would be better as a still image, what do I need a video of? And then decided right from the beginning that I was going to record the audio separately, because although on the clinic floor we're always doing and talking at the same time, I feel like it can be much harder to get everything out that you want. So I had a lot of pictures and video and then I played with.
Speaker 4:I used Adobe Premiere Pro was the editing platform that I used. That was I'd never used it before. It was like really user friendly. I did some tutorials and just, you know, you can put the video in and then you can record audio right over the top of it, and so I would slow down or speed up the video or create freeze frames where I needed to say more, rather than being standing there with the live horse and things in my hand trying to talk through everything I wanted to.
Speaker 2:And things in my hand, trying to talk through everything I wanted to. Yeah, thanks for sharing that information, because I feel like that's the biggest hurdle for people. When we talk about these videos and we try to like recruit for them too, it's like, oh, I don't know how to make a video and it's like, well, there's tools out there and we have a guy on our website too with some production tips. They're hopefully useful. But it's nice to hear too, you're resourceful as well and and kind of doing this on your own.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I think even for people who aren't at a big institution, like you, probably know somebody in your circle who, if you're not very technologically savvy, is a little bit more comfortable, and so it can be a great way to get other people involved in the process. But having a really clear and flexible plan from the beginning I think was helpful in making sure that we didn't need to go back and record more content later on.
Speaker 2:So, rebecca, as you know, one of the cool things about these videos is that, as opposed to just like going to a website or even like YouTube, is that they're peer reviewed, so we have viewers looking at them just like any other manuscripts. So how was the peer review process for your submitted video manuscripts?
Speaker 4:The peer review process was really straightforward.
Speaker 4:There is the little abstract that goes along with the video, which the first one I did was a little bit tricky to write because it's a different like it's different content than what you usually put in a scientific manuscript, but the abstract format is still the same. Once I'd done one and there was already some examples online Now of course, there's more that was a little bit easier to figure out. So, really, the peer reviewers had a couple bits of feedback for those abstracts and then whenever you do something, whether it's a paper or a presentation, you always miss details. That's going to live on the internet forever, like as opposed to a conference presentation, and there was a couple of things about citations I had to fix and a little bit of voice recording that I had to do, which was another reason I was really glad that I chose the approach we did, where I could just go back and rerecord like one sentence or have my co-author rerecord a couple of sentences that needed to be fixed, rather than having to repeat a voiceover completely.
Speaker 2:So, with all this being said, what advice would you give to listeners who may be interested in creating and submitting a video manuscript for publication in Jabmer or AJBR?
Speaker 4:Well, I would say, go for it. Don't let, like, the fear of performance or the fear of the technology hold you back. Get your team involved, whatever that team might look like. I think for folks in academic positions, it was a great way for us to get some of our trainees involved in the process. So we had a veterinary intern who was a co-author on one of the papers and she did all the script writing even though she wasn't presenting. So that was a good exercise for her to go through like thinking about the steps of everything though she wasn't presenting. So that was a good exercise for her to go through like thinking about the steps of everything. And, yeah, just reach out to whatever resources you need to help piece it together. Have a plan and do it.
Speaker 3:Very, very cool, Rebecca. As Sarah said, remember these are in AJVR too. I published one in a different journal a long time ago about creation of destabilization of the medial meniscus in a mini pig model. Again, reading about it is one thing, but having somebody say like, ooh, that's how you want to position the animal and now flex it a little bit, can really be helpful. We really appreciate your insight and sharing with our listeners today.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think the other thing I wanted to share a little bit about because there's some things that when you're teaching you really want to put your hands or put somebody else's hands on the patient and so one of the ways we thought around that, like having the video, is nice to show people. But I did. I made some illustrations as well in a couple of the videos to help you know, when we do a trach wash, you say palpate and you feel for the spot where the strap muscles join. Well, you can't feel on a video and you can't see it through the skin. So getting a little bit creative about some of the images, I think I hope at least was helpful for readers and viewers to better understand what we were doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the other part I wanted to emphasize. You talked about your veterinary team. We encourage veterinary technicians to create and submit these too. They do a lot of really cool techniques that maybe they didn't get to learn in their veterinary technician school or they haven't gotten exposure to yet. So the whole team we'd like to get involved in these video manuscripts. As we come to a close, rebecca, we'd like to ask a little bit more of a personal question. If you'd have it, please lift it up and show the listeners who are watching what is the oldest or the most interesting item on your desk or in your desk drawer.
Speaker 4:So I keep a collection of kind of patients, specimens, enteroliths, teeth, bladder stones, things like that. But my favorite one I'm going to have to stand up to get it. My favorite one is a stick that I pulled out of a horse's anguinal region a couple of years ago that it had been out on a trail ride and took a bad step and shoved the stick up in its groin, managed to miss. It was right next to the penis, it was right next to the femoral vessels. It missed everything, went through and throughout the backside and made a pretty cool little troop.
Speaker 3:My seventh grade horse did that. He fell forward on a tree had fallen over and it left a big spike and it went in the axillary region and same thing. Like I didn't know any better back then and now I just think how did he miss all those structures? That's amazing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and they were a mile and a half out on the trail. So the dad like used another horse's reins to truss it up and stabilize it, and then the veterinarian did a really nice job of bandaging it. So everything was still in place when he got to us and under anesthesia we were able to pull it right out, that's amazing, I don't have one of those on my equine shelf.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's super cool, Rebecca. We need to make a compilation too, I feel like, of these interesting items on your desk because, as veterinarians, as you said, we have really cool unique items and people have shared some of the findings. So thank you so much, Rebecca, for being here today and also for helping us spearhead this effort to get these video manuscripts up and going so we can teach the next generation.
Speaker 4:Yeah, thank you so much for having me and for the opportunity.
Speaker 2:And to our listeners. You can watch Rebecca's published technical tutorial videos or video manuscripts on our website or on the AVMA's YouTube channel. I'm Sarah Wright with Lisa Fortier. Be on the lookout for next week's episode and don't forget to leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts or whatever platform you listen to.
