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Discussion on Gravitic Drive Technology
Speaker 1Hi Ben, how are you doing?
Speaker 2today I'm doing alright, gene. I don't know what to do without my howdy, though, without your. What Howdy? You usually say. Howdy howdy Ben? How are you Today? You said hi.
Speaker 1I know, I'm just mixing it up a little bit because you know we're doing everything early.
Speaker 2so Well, early or late, it depends on what you mean, that's true, I guess it depends on your time zone. Oh, what time zone are you in I?
Speaker 1mean it's late, isn't it? What is?
Speaker 2it 4, 30 as gene sits in austin. Just makes us think stuff it's late that's all I know, did you watch the video I sent you? Yeah, do you want to talk about that first, sure, or do you want to go ahead?
Speaker 1Do you want to start off with telling people what the video is about?
Speaker 2Sure. So you know it was. Oh shoot. What's the podcaster's name? Sean?
Speaker 1Sean Ryan.
Speaker 2Sean Ryan. Yeah, sean Ryan apparently got the manifesto of the Trump Tower bomber and kind of interesting. I will say that when he starts talking about the Grovett Drive stuff and everything else, I'm sitting there going okay, an Al-Qubairi drive is possible, but no way in fucking hell in fucking hell. And but you know, if you take that out of it, which could just be disinformation or something added to it for some whatever reason, don't know, the rest of it kind of lines up and makes some sense the biggest thing. Did you watch the whole?
Speaker 1video yeah, yeah, I watched the whole thing what are your thoughts? Um, if this wasn't in ve, I would just shrug it off with like, yeah, whatever, there's crazy people everywhere, but it was in Vegas.
Speaker 2Why does that matter?
Speaker 1You know, a good chunk of Nevada is federal government controlled. Yes, mm-hmm, federal government controlled, yes. So there there's a certain amount of higher credence level that arises when people start talking about stuff that seems preposterous, when when it's somebody that is in in the Nevada area.
Speaker 2Okay, I don't see that as true. But okay, okay, what was your take? That the guy probably didn't blow it up, that either he's dead and someone did it to try and obfuscate things, or you know, I don't know, maybe tesla truck got taken over and, you know, at the, whatever agency was uh, trying to shut him up or stop him, decided to do it that way. I don't know.
Speaker 1The first question is, I guess, is do you think that the remains were of the actual guy?
Speaker 2but well, considering, the dna doesn't match his son, which seems like an odd thing to bring out in all of this. You know, oh well, we know who it was, but the dna doesn't match. Well, what, how do you what? Like it seems to me like no, it's not him, because, you know, if it was him then they wouldn't say anything about the dna mismatch, right? Yeah so I don't know, it seems odd it.
Speaker 1It does seem odd because initially the dna mismatch with the kid typically would make me think of the the maury povich show or one of those well, that that's exactly what they tried to do for motivation. They said, well, he got some bad news oh, he found out his kids, not his exactly, but realistically it. The second thought was well, it's, it's not that the son's dna is wrong, it's that the guy's dna is wrong, then that is his kid, but that's not the guy in the truck that's certainly my thought yeah, so uh, yeah, that's interesting so I you know, people are calling this a manifesto, but I I don't think that's an appropriate word at all, because
Speaker 2it's not a manifesto, but in this guy's screed, whatever you want to call it, um, if you take out the gravitic drive stuff that he's talking about which, again, I'm just sitting there going, okay, it's possible that our government has some technology that we don't know about, but gravidic drive, I don't think so, right. So if you take that out, the rest of it sounds completely sane and very plausible to be someone who is pretty in the know of things. Right, um goes over some stuff that makes me think he certainly did, but, um, I don't know that that. That what is your take? Because, again, the gravidic drive thing is what's just throwing me, because other than that, I think it sounds legit I don't.
Speaker 1I don't have a problem with Gravitic Drive.
Speaker 2So you think we have Gravitic Drive technology. I don't think you've got it Okay, other than in Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen.
Speaker 3I use damn things every day. I don't know what you're talking about Other than that.
Speaker 1I mean, seriously, what's your take on the manifestoo for lack of a better word, not a manifesto, it it was. Um. Well, the impression I got from the guys talking about it was, first of all, you got two guys that were in army special forces that really don't understand technology, including bike graph technology, which I was kind of thought that was funny the critic drive. The first thing that realistically popped into my mind is what is that a code name for? Cause.
Speaker 1I've worked on a lot of projects with code names that made no sense. Uh, let me phrase it I've worked on a few projects that the code names didn't make any sense and a few where they didn't make some sense.
Speaker 1So it's um, like it was up to me. All the code names would be hilariously funny, ironic, but clearly I'm not in charge of code names for the us government because they're not. A lot of them are stupid, but I, I heard so. Consequently, this was to me, uh, like I. That's why I say I have no problem with grittic drive, because right, but I'm not thinking literal rivvidic drive okay, I mean the.
Speaker 2The context of the sentence isn't a code name, though the context of the sentence is that he's describing the function of something.
Speaker 1Yeah, at least not read he's not privy to the actual technical details of that thing. Sure there's nothing to indicate that he was so? Nobody thinks it's a serious technology that only us and china have you know the. The other stuff that he said is that china has been launching drones from submarines on the east coast for a decade now, or something to that effect.
Speaker 1I don't remember the exact china had a submarine for a decade would be an immediate thought well, it doesn't have to be a chinese submarine this is true but also I really am very interested in in drones that are both capable of being launched aquatically and late enough to be able to have a decent battery life and flying around well, I mean that's an interesting thing well, they don't necessarily have to be released aquatically.
Diverse Discussions on International Relations
Speaker 2I mean, it could be the exact same sort of launch mechanism a boomer uses, right, you know, creates this big air bubble to move the missile. That's true up, you know, uh, up and to a certain point, and then the main thrust takes over from there. Could be something very similar to that, yeah, yeah that is true, but either way, it sounds interesting.
Speaker 1Yeah, sorry, I swallowed a pepper from your hot and sour soup yeah, my hot and sour soup had a pepper in it.
Speaker 2God damn man how to assassinate a russian.
Speaker 1You spicy food well, yeah you, you eat a fucking chinese pepper, like while you're doing a podcast I love thai chilies.
Speaker 2Man, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1I do too, just not swallowing them whole out of my soup, that's all. I use a lot of spices. I tried a new place today. Yeah, it's actually quite tasty. It's a new kind of Thai slash Vietnamese place. Yeah, and I think I might order there again in the future.
Speaker 2Good stuff. So I guess we're done with the Trump bomber.
Speaker 1I mean it's not. I think calling it a Trump bomber is giving it way too much credence.
Speaker 2It's literally a car bomb goes off in front of the Trump Tower. Sure, you know that happens to be in a Tesla cyber truck, which is right, an interesting choice to send a message.
Speaker 1Or just a vehicle that's capable of self driving pretty easily.
Speaker 2Yeah, but the, the perpetrator if we buy the media story died in the bombing.
Speaker 1Yeah, but nobody believes that. Okay, yeah, but nobody believes that okay.
Speaker 2Well, I don't know, somebody died somewhere and there was a person that was burned up in a tesla truck. Yeah, I think a lot of people do believe it. Uh, there's been a just to kind of close the circle and listen. Then we can move on to new orleans, I guess. But, um, our talk food, um. You know there have been a lot of posts on x and tiktok of liberals saying that this is service members sending trump and elon a message because they are an enemy um of the state, essentially, and that they're um. You know that their uh pledge, what their oath is, you know, to protect the constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic and they're pointing out right from their point of view, elon and trump are the domestic enemies.
Speaker 2So yeah, I thought that was an interesting analysis of the events that whole phrase is way overused on television about foreign and domestic yeah yeah, I agree, that is very few people's job.
Speaker 1most people in the government are bureaucrats, and most people in the government are bureaucrats, and most people in the military are bureaucrats, frankly. Which is something we should handle. But, yes, no, well, we have one of the largest standing armies in the world, if not the largest right now. I don't know if China's bigger in the world, if not the largest right now. I don't know if China's bigger, but you know, in a lot of ways it's a work program.
Speaker 2It 100% is, and this is what a lot of people don't like to admit. But during times of peace, the US Armed Forces has absolutely been used as a social mobility slash, make work program, mm hmm, and very communistic in that way. Well.
Speaker 1If you had a population that was OK with having a standing army just in case, that didn't have to keep invading countries but could actually just train without leaving the country, I don't think they'd be in a better shape than they are right now. But if there's no war for too long, people start bitching about too much government spending on the military, which I don't disagree with. But it's usually put under a magnifying glass and literally every other program is ignored, while the military makes up less than 10%. So there's plenty of things to cut, including the military, but not exclusively the military. I mean, that is one of the few legitimate reasons to have a government in the first place.
Speaker 2Common self-defense yeah, I don't think it necessarily means an army, but a military as far as a Navy, and like our Marine Corps, sure. Armies are for occupation, which is not a defensive action by definition I think I agree to disagree on that one okay sometimes you get invaded, just uh, you know defend yourself yeah, speaking of, given our last episode and my thoughts on uh north american union and the Neo-Monroe doctrine will take us, did you see that Honduras put a huge target on themselves? No.
Speaker 2Yeah, the Honduran president came out and said that if we start deporting Hondurans, that they will shut down the US military bases in Honduras.
Speaker 1Really.
Speaker 2Yeah, which we're going to deport Hondurans and when we do and they try that, it's going to be funny.
Speaker 1Yeah, that is going to be funny.
Speaker 2You're right Like there's no way that ends well for honduras.
Speaker 1there's just not well I don't know if you ever saw the movie bananas. No, doesn't ring bell, okay, no. I believe it was a 1978 movie by woody allen okay, I'm not a big woody allen fan yeah, no, we know,
Speaker 2something about incestuous pedophiles. It's just not my thing anti-semitic stuff there.
Speaker 1But that's right.
Speaker 2No, it's really anti-semitic and it's not. If you say me not liking woody allen A his humor is just stupid and B he's a pedophilic, incestuous pedophile, then whatever. If that's being anti-Semitic, then what does that say about Semites?
Speaker 1It says that you're anti in semitic mostly, but anyway. So in this film the premise is that, uh, woody allen ends up in a banana republic, which is why it's called bananas one of those generic central american slash island places, and and he gets kidnapped by the communist rebels.
Speaker 1Okay, and they're trying to fight the you know plantations or whatever and he has I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but something brings up this idea. That boy, you know, if you guys could live here but just make a few more dollars, you wouldn't have to be fighting with everybody or you wouldn't want communism. And so he gets this idea that the the best way to get financial aid to the country is to declare war on the United States, have the United States come in and take over, and then that brings a huge amount of money down to the country and everybody will be better off for it.
Speaker 2Yeah, family Guy did this better, family Guy did this 25 years later.
Speaker 1Yeah, but better, you don't know you haven't seen the movie. It's Woody Allen allen, I can guess oh my god, yeah, I'm gonna shift from anti-semitism to just plain old racism pretty soon here.
Speaker 2Anyway, he uh how is it racist I'm sorry, wait, wait, gene are you? Going on the record of saying jews aren't white.
Speaker 1I'm saying that you're calling out somebody that happens to be a Hollywood director, and you can't be calling out Hollywood directors, because they're all Jews.
Speaker 3But you're saying I'm racist. Is that simple enough? Luckily I am not.
Speaker 1Burnetti and I do not give a shit about how are you calling him out as a pedophile, given the rest of hollywood?
Speaker 2excuse me oh, I would call them all out, but I just don't like him.
Speaker 1But he's very open about it yeah, that's because he didn't do anything wrong, so uh, wouldn't it his niece? No, it's his wife's uh foster child. There's zero relations there, oh like this is a asian girl imported into the country by his ex-wife that's just so weird the only weird part about it is that obviously they knew each other when she was under 18, but also they didn't do anything while she was 18 according to right so, yeah, um, and man, his, the, the, the girl's stepmom, his wife, is one of those ultra liberals that uh shrieks when her mouth opens, although she's pretty hot looking back in the day, which is not, I guess, that unusual.
Speaker 1Anyway, the point of the movie is you basically declare war in the US, you get the US military coming in, taking over your country, but in the process Bringing in money, bringing it to a much higher level of wealth, right, getting rid of a lot of the poverty. And the funny bits about the movie is that he immediately becomes elected the president of that country. So he was just trying to, you know, kind of talk his way out of being kidnapped by the rebels. The rebels win, they take over the local government and end up electing him as the president, el presidente, of the country. And so he has to go meet with the United States to surrender to the United States. And he's putting on this complete fake Castro looking beard because obviously he's a US citizen with a New York accent and he's pretending to be this leader of this country.
Speaker 1Anyway, I thought it was pretty damn funny movie back when I saw it and I've seen a couple times, I didn't just see it when it came out. I saw it after that, but uh, woody allen's early work tended to be more of the really more of the stuff you like, which is more of like three stooges and why you you know what I do like the three I know you said you like them.
Speaker 2That's why I bring them up, because you said you like them yeah, but you know that's not like high humor, it's not exactly like that's my point correct, but I do like high humor as well.
Speaker 3Right, you're trying to you wouldn't know that if you if?
Speaker 1you look at the shit you send me, because all the shorts you send me are not high humor no, but it's also twitter dude.
Speaker 2It's like boo. You are not high humor. No, but it's also Twitter dude. It's like boobs. You expect any high humor off of Twitter?
Speaker 1You don't have to send me shit from Twitter, dude.
Speaker 2But if it's funny, I'm.
Speaker 1Okay, all right, Whatever I mean, some of it is marginally funny, but some of it like it stopped being funny when you graduated high school level stuff.
Speaker 2Anyway, my point is on you. I didn't graduate high school well, there you go.
Speaker 1That's, uh, proves my point once again. You keep, you keep throwing yourself under the bus. At some point I'm gonna have to stop the damn bus. That's all good anyway. So a funny movie premise, yes, uh, plot I'm sure that family guy wasn't the only ones that did that as well, yeah, but that could be an idea that they're actually doing down there. It's like, hey, let's piss off the gringos up north, and then we will. They'll be forced to come here with larger numbers and spend more money with us.
Speaker 2Yeah, possibly, but anyway, I just thought it was interesting because, yeah, come here with larger numbers and spend more money with us? Yeah, possibly, but anyway, I just thought it was interesting because, yeah, first of all, what they're setting themselves up for is nothing good, because what's going to happen is they're going to say we want to shut down these bases, the us is going to go, ha no, and nothing's going to happen. And if they try and force the issue, then there is your um, uh, what is it? Oh, yeah, but I'm not caveat mtor. Uh, there's a something bellum, cassie bellum, meaning a purpose for war. Yeah, um, but you know. There there's your, your lead-in to. Well, honduras is corrupt and they're trying to do this.
Speaker 1We're going to take them over they're now we did it in panama we definitely did in panama as well, yeah it's true.
Speaker 2So there you go um. Anyway, I'm just saying my little thoughts on uh. You know the whole uh expansionist empire building america is playing out nicely in line, so we'll see I.
Speaker 1I think, if, if trump wants to create a legacy, that would be a hell of a legacy, and I've said this before if he manages to add any actual permanent new territory to the united states, his face needs to replace one of the faces on mount rushmore, and I'm pretty sure you know which one I know which one I vote for, that's right, it's one everybody votes for uh, I don't think everybody would vote for lincoln anyone's got a brain in their heads well, how many of those people do you know?
Speaker 1uh, I know more than my share all right.
Analysis of Recent Terrorist Incidents
Speaker 2Well, I think the general population is, uh, not gonna go necessarily along with that. But yeah yeah, so anyway. Uh, what did you think of the new orleans issue?
Speaker 1um well, because at first they were calling it a terrorist attack. And then they realized he was black whoops, not a terrorist text, no no, the fbi is calling it an incident I thought it would turn out to be a gay flag on that car. That was my prediction okay um, well, and and we don't really know, because the flag's been covered up the whole time and I still haven't seen any video clips but it was isis gene, no no at all.
Speaker 2I haven't seen any clips of that truck in motion with the flag unfurled, but, jean, the chief of police said it and you know she doesn't have any sort of furtive past or anything.
Speaker 1Oh, and did you see? Yeah, the chief of police is this crusty black broad. No, she's old and white actually she looks pretty black, and then the FBI agent in charge is like a 20 year old black chick with a bunch of piercings yeah, the new orleans chief of police is an old white lady I think you're assuming her, uh, her race yeah, she was in california and ran over someone and that's why, uh, she got fired from oakland.
Speaker 2You didn't know that? No, she literally ran over someone in Oakland or two people in. Oakland to the point where the police commission said they had lost faith in her and fired her for cause.
Speaker 1Jesus In California that takes a lot.
Speaker 2Exactly. Anyway, she is totally white.
Speaker 1Well, let's just say, we don't know. I just sent you a picture of her.
Speaker 2She's pretty effing white, but anyway, yeah, I think it's interesting that we had the two incidents occur. Very, how do we say this back to back? Yeah, how do we say this back-to-back, you know? And as a result, I think it's pretty interesting that you've got to ask yourself okay, was this planned to be back-to-back like this, or are these separate and independent things? If you believe what we were just talking about with the manifesto, they're definitely independent, but what a coincidence. So maybe the New Orleans thing was a six-week cycle out with the manifesto. They're definitely independent, but what a coincidence. So maybe the new orleans thing was a six-week cycle. That's just the way it uh happened. You know, cool, maybe not, who knows?
Speaker 1well, you saw what I posted immediately after the incident, like an hour later. Right, yes, take the trucks of, of course, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that this is a perfect opportunity for Congress to finally get off their back quarters and start acting like politicians to pass a law against assault. Vehicles have no business place in the hands of American citizens. These vehicles were not designed to be driven to McDonald's. They were not designed to be driven to work. These are special purpose built vehicles, created to provide the type of mass that is only necessary for incidents like this, and it's pretty obvious. So the fact that they're still allowed is, frankly, a testament to politicians not doing their job. I'm paraphrasing myself, but that was the gist of what I posted immediately.
Speaker 1And then I said too soon, which I don't think anyone really cared.
Speaker 2I don't think very few people or very many people got the.
Speaker 1You think I thought everybody would get it. It was so damn obvious. Okay, you got it right. Or did you not get it? Oh, I got it. I got you Okay, okay All right, because you know there's another word you can substitute for vehicle in there, and it's literally exactly what they say every time something happens.
Speaker 2Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1I'm trying.
Speaker 2By the way, we have got to get another download in North America ASAP.
Speaker 1Oh, okay. Do you see North America? I do it's right on schedule.
Speaker 2For those that are listening, north America is showing 666 downloads on the last episode.
Speaker 1Yeah, what do you expect, ben? Not that hey, buzzsprout, can you make sure that there's never a 666 anywhere, right, uh-huh? Oh, fuck, yeah, oh, that's pretty funny. So, um, yeah, so yeah, I don't know, man. I mean we had one of these in a parade in Michigan. What a year ago, or two years ago. Whatever it was.
Speaker 1The fact that there aren't more incidents like this, frankly, is surprising to me, because everybody and their brother-in-law drives a vehicle that is capable of mass murder and I'm not being funny right now, I mean, this is just to prove facts like even a small car can easily kill more than one person, and I don't mean the ones inside the vehicle.
Speaker 1I mean people outside the vehicle, the the reaction time of a person, especially one who's looking at their phone and has headphones jacked in, is not sufficient enough to get them out of the way of a vehicle heading towards them without the vehicle trying to not hit them. So the fact that we haven't had this happen more frequently is actually somewhat surprising, because it takes no skill. You don't have to build a bomb, you don't have to do anything. You just get in a car and you become a mass murderer.
Speaker 2Oh, come on now, Gene. This took years of planning with ISIS. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1Well, so are they still trying to maintain that there's a ISIS flag in the back?
Speaker 2Yes, have they shown the in the back?
Speaker 1Yes, have they shown the flag at all? No, no, they're just saying that there was something that was covered by a bag was obviously a nicest flag, but maybe won't be a nicest flag because they've decided it's no longer a terrorist act.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Even though the FBI announced that it was a terrorist act. Yeah, even though the FBI announced that it was a terrorist act. Yeah, I don't know man, I just feel like there's.
Speaker 2It's like World War II history. I don't know the truth. I just know I'm being lied to.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, I don't think you need to limit it to World War II. I mean, that's generally the state of being in most countries you know a little bit more about. The closer it is to you, the more you know about it. The further it is from you, the less reliable information is, including from quote-unquote, reliable sources. Okay, so I don't know. I don't have any great conspiracy theories about this one. I don't really even have any about the Vegas one, other than I don't think that the fact that it was a Cybertruck, and this one, incidentally, was a Ford Lightning Electric as well, so both of these were electric vehicles.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I don't think that this indicates there's some kind of group targeting electrical vehicles and trying to prevent people from driving electrical vehicles. I don't.
Speaker 2I don't see a conspiracy like that yeah, I, I don't think it was a conspiracy to do anything with the electric vehicles, other than maybe the tesla being a sending a message to elon and the ford lightning, I think, was just what was rented.
Speaker 1Um, but that's me yeah, and we've seen other vehicles in the past that have exploded um, like oklahoma city, for example, and um you know this, this explosion in the Cybertruck really more than anything serves as an ad for the Cybertruck, that is true. So maybe Elon planted this whole thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, maybe Elon's the bomber.
Speaker 1Yeah, like hey Trump, do you mind if I blow up one of my vehicles to show how bomb-proof it is in front of your hotel?
Speaker 2It'll literally contain the explosion.
Speaker 1Yeah, no one will get hurt except the guy inside yeah, yeah, pretty sure it was already dead uh, a guy inside, yes, but he won't actually be hurt, yeah, and we'll demonstrate that even when the vehicle blows up our batteries don't. So, uh, I don't know, man, it's, uh, I have no idea. I have no idea, but, like, unless and until this happens every week, I find it hard to call this terrorism well, we will see.
Speaker 2You know, uh, that that podcast I sent you, sean ryan's uh sounds excited.
Speaker 1Man, this is gonna be a bloody 2025 this is gonna be a big growth year for him.
Speaker 2He's gonna be able to expand his business tremendously well, especially if that manifesto he released or that statement he released turns out to be accurate, then, yeah, it will be a banner year for him so let's say, just for the sake of argument, that, uh, that we as a country did have access to something that may be mistaken for a grav drive type technology.
Speaker 1Do you think that we ought to be A showing that off in our military parades, B keeping it secret, or? C pretending like we have it, even though the project has been falling way behind and over budget?
Speaker 2Well, historically, what we do is keep it secret for a very long time until we roll it out in a conflict Like, if you remember the first, you know, stealth aircraft. Uh, the first time the public knew anything about it was during, um, the Iraq war, and, uh, 19. Yeah, desert storm. Uh, like knew anything about it was during um the iraq war in 19. Yeah, desert storm that was the first roll out of that. Yeah, it was very cool.
Speaker 1I was very excited yeah, saddam was not no, I'm sure he wasn't. But even without the stealth aircraft he wouldn't have been very excited.
Speaker 2Agreed, agreed. But the point is that you know, typically what we do is we reserve it for some sort of action. Now with the B-2, since that wasn't as novel of a technology we didn't, but any true brand new, novel technology we usually keep fairly tight to the chest for a very long time. Look at the Blackbird, look at the U-2, look at the u2 yeah, um you know, but I think the f-117s were.
Speaker 1They were right out of video games and mainly because video games didn't have very many pixels back then.
Speaker 2So they had a lot of straight lines and that's why the uh 117 had the. That it did, because that was what the computer could calculate.
Speaker 1But it was also a very unique looking aircraft. So it doesn't even matter if we would consider it pretty by today's standards, the way that we still consider the Blackbird to be pretty.
Speaker 2The F-117 was not a pretty aircraft it was not pretty aircraft.
Speaker 1It was not pretty but it was unique. It was interesting because it was new and there wasn't anything else flying that looked like it, it's, it's. It's kind of like seeing a ufo and going that thing shouldn't be able to fly, that thing should fall. Yeah, the same kind of reaction for the f-117 yeah, and they're still in service ish what are they using for training?
Speaker 2they're technically retired, but they, uh, they have special. It's like the warthog, they're still reserved for special missions and things like that you know, well, I always thought it was interesting. Yeah, so gene, happy new year. Weird and interesting. So, gene, happy New.
Speaker 1Year man. Oh yeah, I guess this is for sure post-New Year. Happy New Year to you as well, my friend.
Speaker 2What did you eat on New Year's Day?
Speaker 1Chinese oh.
Speaker 2God damn it. You realize you're in the South now, Gene.
Speaker 1Yes, should I have eaten fried chicken.
Speaker 2No, you have our greens greens of some kind. I chose mustard personally because that's my favorite, but greens are cabbage and you have to have some black eyed peas. Where's that come from? So the entire idea is if you eat poor on new year's day, you'll eat well the rest of the year. I'm trying to go the opposite direction. Well, it'll bring you luck and prosperity.
Speaker 1Well, it'll bring me less fat if I eat worse on the rest of the year than I did on the first day.
Speaker 2Okay, well, anyway, I made a pot. I've always had black-eyed peas and either cabbage or greens, but usually as side dishes for whatever else I was having.
Speaker 1I saw that I thought it was like a soup made of black eyed peas.
Speaker 2Kind of was, and this is the first time I've ever made this dish and man, this was. I will make this outside of New Year's.
Speaker 1How long did you cook it? Oh, just, it took me a couple hours.
Speaker 2All right, yeah, that's about right, yep but anyway, what I did was I took some pancetta and some sausage, some andouille and some other sausage, mm-hmm, brown that in the bottom of the pot, set it aside and then I put in a mirepoix so carrots, celery, onion, some bell pepper stuff like that, sautéed them and then I put my beans in that had been soaking for a few hours, along with some chicken broth and bone broth, not chicken stock, actual bone broth.
Speaker 1You didn't use any roux.
Speaker 2No, I didn't need to. It was plenty thick, I did not need to think the pancetta did it, yes, and anyway cooked that down and then I wilted some mustard greens and some garlic and some of the fat from the pancetta and sausage and then put that in there, and I didn't even hardly season it, man, just the flavors from everything. Hardly season it, man, just the flavors from everything. I've been eating on it for days, and I had a bowl tonight for dinner, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 1It was good. Yeah, there's somebody I was watching the other day.
Speaker 2Kids loved it too.
Speaker 1I had realized that they were in hell because there was no garlic anywhere. Like you couldn't get garlic, I was like this is clearly hell. Yes, this cannot be either heaven or the earth, because, uh, if, if garlic does not exist, then it's but I know that it exists.
Speaker 2It was not just a dream, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Why'd you watch the same thing?
Speaker 2no, but that's I, I get it, I fully get it. Yeah, dude, I use so much garlic in my cooking. Garlic's great. It is such onions, yeah such a good.
Speaker 1Uh, I don't know what do we call it vegetable? I guess technically it grows in the ground.
Speaker 2Yeah, well, anyway, I would just recommend, if anyone wants to try, that. It's a easy, quick recipe and it is good, it's very good. Like, like I said, even my kids liked it. After they, they kind of looked at it like what the hell is this dad? You know there's green things in this. What is this? And?
Speaker 1then they ate it, and they both loved it.
Speaker 2So there you go, yeah well it's there's no cornbread to go with it.
Discussion on Gun Technology
Speaker 1It was I saw the cornbread too, that that was cool. Yeah, um, I very, very, very rarely eat cornbread because it's like pure carbohydrates, but I still know what it tastes like bread yeah, but cornbread is like a heavy bread, you know. I mean, yeah, it's delicious. It is delicious, that's what I'm saying. I still remember what it tastes like, even though I I eat well this was a honey corn bread and it was damn good fuck, that's so good no uh, now you're making my, you're making my damn blood sugar go up just talking about this shit man, yeah well
Speaker 3yeah, anyway, it was good, yeah, so yeah, happy new year to everybody happy new year.
Speaker 1Yeah, welcome to 2025 I uh started off with a bang already yeah you know, I'm just reminded of the babylon five intro intro. It was the year well, you saw that I made a song for that right yeah, well, the 2025 song, the Agenda 2025. No, no, no. The Babylon. I literally used lyrics from Babylon and I turned it into a country western song and I sent it to you. You must have heard it.
Speaker 2Right, but I thought it was just the Babylon 5 lyrics. I didn't realize you changed them.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. No, it was just the Babylon 5 lyrics. It wasn't 2025. No, you got to make one for 2025.
Speaker 2Not, oh, you're saying, make one for that okay, yeah, yeah come on, you're. You're mr jewish music producer about to put out his first.
Speaker 1Hey, hey yeah, I got enough stuff for an album. I might have even a couple in there. I've been cranking them out left and right and you've been hearing some of the better ones. I haven't sent you everything, but I sent you a good chunk of them, but, uh, I think that there's some good music there.
Speaker 2I uh, I think that certainly there's enough there for, uh, a thematic album now and the beauty of it is, uh, nothing's copyrighted, so I can copyright it yeah, I mean you can't copyright the lyrics that you're taking from uh, you know, but no, anybody can use the lyrics, for sure, but I can copyright that presentation music. Yeah sure but as soon as someone has an ai, generate something different.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, yeah yeah for sure. Yeah, they can copy the lyrics, they can make a cover of it. That sounds differently, for sure, and and I'm frankly, I think that's the way it ought to be. I, I'm a believer in very light copyright uh, I don't, yeah, I don't think it should be eliminated completely, but I think that it is way too overwhelming at this point.
Speaker 2Well, it shouldn't outlive the author.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think like five years is plenty, frankly.
Speaker 2I mean, make it the same as a patent. If you're going to go that short, I think a patent shouldn't last more than five years.
Speaker 1Okay, the original point of a patent is to allow enough time for the inventor to be able to make money off a product and recoup their investment prior to competition from other people, and five years is sufficient for that. You don't need 20 years for that.
Speaker 2It depends on how long it takes you to perfect.
Speaker 1If it takes you that long, then don't fucking do it, okay, okay, I'm telling you. Whether it's copyright or patent, I'm an advocate for shorter terms. I don't think that these things should be eliminated, but I do think that the terms need to be shorter okay, so I want to talk two guns with you oh, here we go, let's get that finger card checked off yeah, did you see the new henry rifle?
Speaker 2I did, but mostly because you sent it to me dude. I want them to make it out in a different caliber. Right now it's five, five, six or three black out no three, black. That's not bad, that's a seven six two yeah, yeah, yeah, well, anyway, uh, I want it in a cartridge that I already have. But this is a lever action magazine fed not tube fed magazine.
Speaker 2That's a lever action with excuse me, with a threaded barrel already ready to go for a suppressor and scope mount. Holy shit, where has this been all my life?
Speaker 1well, you realize, this is really something that that is for california uh no, because it's magazine fed yeah, 10 round magazines yeah, okay well and manual. Uh, it's not a semi-automatic, so it's not going to get banned on under all I'm one for.
Speaker 2Just I know, because I'm a cool gun, I get it. It's a cool gun. I've always like cowboy man it's total.
Speaker 1Well, if it had you had carbon fiber instead of wood, it'd be space cowboy.
Speaker 2Which I guarantee you, someone is already doing that right now?
Speaker 1Yeah, there'll be kits available for that. The problem with Henry rifles in my experience, and the reason I don't own one, is that they're like $1,500 to $1,800.
Speaker 2They're very expensive for what they are. Yeah. But it's okay, now that Henry's done this, someone else is going to come out with a pattern that'll be very similar, and we know who?
Speaker 1Palmetto Armory, palmetto State.
Speaker 2Armory. No, I don't think they will right away, but definitely one of the Turkish manufacturers will.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, yeah With those guys. Yeah, they already make magazine shotguns, so it wouldn't take much for them to go to a smaller cartridge. They already make lever actions. Yeah, I think I've seen some. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, but I would love to own a Henry.
Speaker 2It's one of those things that they're expensive for what they are.
Speaker 1yes, it's function. It's just too much money for me.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Well, I was drooling over it, so I figured I'd make you drool over it too. It's, you know, it's a nice gun Now the other thing they could have done too, is use the magazine design that was used on the Calico that I used to have the helical, the helical magazine. So it would be about more of the thickness of a shotgun front end?
Speaker 2yeah, but then it would be heavy but it would hold 50 rounds dude but it would be heavy because forward it is quite, forward is heavy yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Well, you could have a second one as a spare mag in the back to balance things just. It's an 11-pound rifle, just like it's supposed to be. By the way, there was somebody speaking of rifles. There was somebody that put out a video critiquing the military's decision to go to the new SIG rifle.
Speaker 2Yeah, I sent it to you.
Speaker 1No, I think I randomly ran across this video. Okay and well, it may have been a different one than you sent me, but the guy is like saying, yeah, there's no reason for it, you're giving up too many. You know you're walking with a smaller loadout for the same weight. The magazines are 20 rounds instead of 30. He's like going down listing all negatives on this and, of course, my response is like the us military is a bunch of pussies.
Speaker 2Your grand grand or your your great grandfathers were happy shooting a 30 out, 30, 30, yeah, no, 30 out. Six. The m1 garan was a 30 out yeah, 30, there you go 30-06.
Speaker 1Which is a? What is that 68 uh millimeter cartridge?
Speaker 2it is a full power cartridge that is a that so, like of the 30 of the three 30 calibers, right, yep, you've got a 300 wind mag being the lowest lowest a .300 Weatherby Mag, then a .30-06, and then my .300 Rum. Like .30-06 is a very powerful cartridge.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's a real rifle cartridge. Yeah, so your great-grandparents had that. And then we moved to the .308 cartridges and those in world war ii, and then 30.6 was world war ii. Well, it was 308. I thought 308s were in no uh 308 didn't come in until the m1.
Speaker 2Uh, m1a, yeah, what was that? And um yeah, the the m14 or it wasn't m1414?.
Speaker 1No, yeah, m14.
Speaker 2So the M14, you know, was the 308 variant and that is still in use today to some extent, but 308 didn't come in until after Korea.
Speaker 3Really yeah, and the M14 had a very, very very short service life.
Speaker 2It never got fully deployed, yeah, 1957.
Speaker 1So you're right, so that was after World War II, but so 308.
Speaker 2Hello, Gun Topic.
Speaker 1And then still got to check you. And then we had the 556 cartridge and designed for specific reasons, but yet everybody knows. If you've ever read any special forces books from the vietnam era, you know that all the spec ops guys picked up a case no, or they ran three owners, or they, what are? They ran 308 m1as yeah, yeah, but they, but they weren't running the uh, the five, the main.
Speaker 2Main reason, though, wasn't the round, it was the non-chrome-lined barrels in the jungle. Atmosphere rusting and causing malfunctions and a lot of issues which, by the Gen 2s which got rolled out towards the end of Vietnam, a lot of those issues were fixed.
Speaker 1Well, there's other issues too. Is that in the the bamboo jungle, the 556 cartridge? Just gets tossed around, yeah, yeah, it hits anything it's going to get anything like literally a bamboo that you can crack with your hand is going to fuck with that cartridge.
Speaker 2So well, it's going to deflect it to an extent.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's gonna not make it hit where you're shooting exactly. So there there's a how much it's deflected.
Speaker 2It's going to depend on what it's hitting, but sure, of course and what angle?
Speaker 1uh, yes, but the my point being is that we kept going to lighter cartridges and we had some rationale behind them, like one of the things was that it's better to wound a soldier than to kill a soldier, yeah, yeah, I mean soldier, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's about the actual ammunition. But if you don't necessarily want to kill somebody, you don't want to be shooting a .50 caliber cartridge at them, right? You want to shoot something small and fast.
Speaker 2The thought process was it was better to wound an enemy because then it takes that enemy off the battlefield as well as whoever's helping him. Yep, absolutely, that was the math of it. And then they realized well, that works until you go up against an opponent that doesn't give a shit about their own people and you know uh is going to fight on their terms in their way so it makes total sense from to me why we went to the six five, but you mean six eight.
Speaker 3Uh, yeah, yeah six eight six five was the old one that was the old one, right?
Speaker 1no, what was the six five?
Speaker 2the six, five creedmoor, six, five grendel, which six, five grendel wasn't there the us military has never used a 6.5.
Speaker 1Really I thought they had.
Speaker 2Nope, not outside of Spec Ops. Same way, they've never used a 300 blackout outside of Spec Ops.
Speaker 1But the 6.5 Grendel came out of a bid for a military program.
Speaker 2No, that was the 6.8 SPC and SPC2 that I had ARs in.
Speaker 1It was actually going to be an upgrade. Yeah, it was going to be an upgrade to the AR-15.
Speaker 2So it was going to be a short, still a short cartridge, just a little longer than the 5.56. So it could fire out.
Speaker 2Basically, it would be a bolt and barrel change on your existing AR platform and you'd be good to go, which the 6.8 had a really cool range because you could go as light as a 90 grain bullet, doing close to 3,000 feet per second, all the way to like a 180 grain bullet being subsonic. So it was a pretty versatile round, but it lot of it just never caught on and that's the reason why I don't have them anymore. It's a great cartridge but very expensive at this point even for loading uh, no, because the 6.8 is the same as a 270, so you've got bullets out there, it's not?
Speaker 1well, it's not a wildcat car.
Speaker 2How much it costs um because it's a I, I don't um. I want to be able to buy in bulk at this point in time in my life.
Speaker 1Fair enough, yeah, you don't want to crank them out in bulk, correct?
Speaker 2now a gun like my 300 rum. I've kept it in. You know, if I go to buy a box of ammo for that, that's $80 plus for that box.
Speaker 1Yeah, you should sell that gun, why? There's got to be somebody that would love to buy that.
Speaker 2Oh, I'm sure I could definitely sell that gun, but I will keep it because it's a specialty cartridge for me and it's one that I can sit there and reload and I'm never going to shoot a thousand rounds a year out of that gun. If I shoot a box a year out of that gun now it's a lot.
Speaker 1Does that cartridge have a pretty flat trajectory, then tremendously it's a very, very flat cartridge.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, if you had 150 grain bullet, you're doing over 3,500 feet per second even with a moderate load. A 180-grain bullet, you're still doing right around 3,000 feet per second. I mean that's huge. It's very fun. How many foot-pounds? Well, that's speed, and mass.
Speaker 1So I'd have to do the math in my head and I'm not going to do that right now.
Speaker 2You don't remember, okay, no, not off the top of my head. All right.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's, I could see. Yeah, there's not a huge reason as long as you're going to still have enough bullets in stock. Oh yeah.
Discussion on Firearm Conversion Kits
Speaker 2So question for you what semi-automatic guns do you have? Semi-automatic guns, do you have semi-automatic pistols? Do you have right now? Uh, the ones that I can remember, don't really want as a pistol that you're kind of like.
Speaker 1Oh, I see, um, what am I willing to convert? Is what you're asking. Yeah, um, I would probably buy a new one for that. I don't think I would take any, because all my pistols were purchased for a specific reason.
Speaker 2Okay, you wouldn't convert your Glock Gen 1?.
Speaker 1No, the Glock Gen 1 at this point is a museum piece. I mean, I can still shoot it. It's in fully working order. But the only reason I have that gun is because I've shot over 60 000 rounds through it, like that's a personal memorabilia thing okay, well, uh.
Speaker 2So cca gear up um. Has the white version of the mck 2.0 which is what I just got.
Speaker 1You know my color I do in white yeah, on sale, so I would need to get a white pistol then, so everything matched in one of these white conversion kits uh-huh well, make a gun that nobody can see yeah, yeah, anyway, I got a.
Speaker 2I got an mck 2.0.
Speaker 2Yeah, for my dagger, because my dagger is kind of just a it's a range toy. I take it out. I don't really like glocks. Uh, the dagger made some changes to the glock pattern that I liked and I wanted something that would take glock magazines other than my ruger. So I I got it and anyways, I haven't shot it, haven't shot it, haven't shot it. And this mck platform came out a while back and it went on sale, so I finally picked it up and I got it in yesterday, dude, I assembled it, put everything in, and I gotta say this is going to be a truck gun for me at this point that's good.
Speaker 1Yeah, um, I'm glad it's gonna be practical. Practical, not just a toy.
Speaker 2Number one. It folds up very tight, compact package and this would be a get-home gun if need be, because it gives you a little bit of extra stability, you can still shoot it just like a pistol.
Speaker 1How long is the barrel?
Speaker 2The barrel doesn't change. Okay, so it's whatever came with your gun correct, but you can put a suppressor or a extended barrel on this. So if you wanted to put a like seven and a half inch barrel, on on it. You absolutely could, and it wouldn't make the gun any longer right now yeah if you wanted to go, uh, you can go up to an inch at 1.38 uh diameter suppressor on it. So if you want to suppress it, you can do that without really making it a whole lot longer, depending on how long your suppressor is, of course, um which, by the way that yankee hell.
Speaker 2I sent you some info. One last night was exactly what I was looking at for this.
Speaker 1How much was it? $550. That's not a bad price.
Speaker 2Plus tax stamp and everything else. Now it's a .45 caliber pistol suppressor. But that's got the Nielsen device in it. That's everything, yada, yada yada. So all in right at $800 after tax stamp and trust and all your shit, yeah, but anyway, it's a very, very neat concept.
Speaker 2You can take the firearm in and out, depending on the firearm, like on the Gen 3 and older Glocks, you have two choices. You can either replace the back plate for the charging handle or, if you have a stock slide, they have a thing that can slip over the slide and use the slide serrations for the charging handle.
Speaker 1Oh, really Okay.
Speaker 2But for non-stock slides you have to use the back plate, which is fine. So, the back plate's more secure anyway. But anyway, it is a neat, neat firearm.
Speaker 1Well, neat, neat chassis that I put my firearm into, and then what is the aiming solution in there?
Speaker 2Like what do I have right now?
Speaker 1Well, what do you want in there? What are you going to put on?
Speaker 2uh, right now I've got flip up sights okay, that are on there.
Speaker 1Um, I do have a I'm sorry are you putting out a red dot or you're going to leave those?
Speaker 2I have a red dot um that was on this pistol uh that's a uh holosun 407c. It's in a couple generations old at this point, but whatever, I've got it. And I uh got a pick rail to rmr, but it's too low so I'm waiting on a new pick rail to rmr to come in to put it on there. Um, so I'll have that red dot that was on this pistol anyway, on it. And then they have a flashlight mount in the front of the gun in the front of the chassis.
Speaker 2Rather, that is somewhat proprietary, which is just silly because it takes this proprietary insert for you know what is an O-light? Which is fine, but instead and I've got a bunch of the O lights that'll fit in it. So instead of ordering the flashlight, I actually ordered the laser and. I will actually sidemount the laser and then put one of my O lights in there. So yeah, you've got many, many options. But it's neat, it's ergonomic, it feels good, it's not super heavy, it it folds up.
Speaker 1I sent you the pictures it folds up, I know, way more compact than I would have expected yeah, it looked like it was pretty, it just wasn't pretty what makes it pretty being white? No, it's an aesthetic thing. Okay, it just kind of felt like like it just folded.
Speaker 2It wasn't really like they didn't design the back portion to be seamless with the front when folded okay, well, look at the micro roni, uh, and the gen 3 then, if you want something a little bit more refined, I've seen the video on the micro-only that one looks a little cleaner yeah, and the gen 3s.
Speaker 2Look at the dream 3, mck as well, and some of the others. I went with the gen 2 because it looked fine to me. It's got the form and function. The gen 3 is just a little sleeker, um, and I don't care about it being necessarily sleeker, so that's fine and it was on sale. That's the whole point.
Speaker 1Right right, right, and it holds an extra magazine up front as well.
Speaker 2Correct. And the entire point is if this is going to be a truck gun, if this is going to be something that gets banged around, or, excuse me, potentially used for certain situations or stolen.
Speaker 1It's not an under the dinner jacket gun for you. No, no, no.
Speaker 2This is a tool that, if something happens to it, I'm not going to be upset about, because in the end it's a tool and I wouldn't be upset about losing any firearm. But if something were to happen to this, I wouldn't be financially devastated.
Speaker 1For any of these kits, I would think that the main actual function is an improved accuracy.
Speaker 2No, it doesn't really change the accuracy of the firearm, it changes the shootability. So, for instance, I'm a serviceable pistol shot, but I'm no mickleck right I am nobody's mickleck that, yeah, but the guy's arms don't move when he shoots I understand. That's why he's a robot he's a literal robot, and so is his daughter.
Speaker 1Oh my god yeah, she's about four foot nine and shoots like your dad yes, which he's not a super tall guy either, but yeah, not.
Speaker 2Anyway, the point is I'm not a great pistol shot. I'm. I'm decent, right, I you know I can. I can hit a eight inch steel target from 25 30 yards away from a draw, no problem, right. But as far as like tack driver accuracy, that's where I am better with a rifle. But the point is, having three points of contact makes someone who's not a great pistol shot a much better shot well, literally what I said.
Speaker 1You're going to be more accurate shooting it with this thing More precise would be the word Okay, Mr Redditor.
Speaker 2Sorry.
Speaker 1It's actually, it's the same thing. You could say accurate.
Speaker 2No, accuracy is you put something in a lead sled, you fire it at the target, and accuracy is how close it came to hitting the same spot each time. Precision is hitting the spot you want to hit the first time Literally two different meanings of the words.
Speaker 1Freedom from mistake or error. Accuracy that's the meaning I was using. Okay, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay, hey, hey, you're the one who wanted me to get pedantic here well, anyway I I just don't think you're using it correctly, but literally the different. The number one meaning of the word in the uh correct, but you don't actually mean accuracy, you mean mean precision. Precision is the word you want to use. I could use precision.
Speaker 2Precision and accuracy do not mean the same thing.
Speaker 1I know that, but accuracy works, okay. Precision, yeah, I mean I'm looking at the word precision here Okay, that works. Relevance, but freedom from mistakes or error is accuracy, and and you're reducing error when you're using that, agreed sure, fine, I'll agree with you.
Speaker 2Anyway, it's a neat platform, um, you know I didn't like. I paid for this with my own money. There's no review thing here happening whatsoever ever for nothing.
Speaker 1We don't get anything for free so no, not in the question right, but I'm like darren who's gotten a shit ton of stuff from amazon for free I'm just making sure people understand.
Speaker 2Also, keep in mind that I got the pistol brace version because I do not want to form for this and have an SBR. You know, but that's me.
Speaker 1I do make stocks A rifle version. Do they?
Speaker 1Well, it's technically not anything because it's just a stock, and if you choose to put it on something, then that's your problem right, so just order wisely so I guess the real test if I got one that I want to do is take the gun that I'm meaning to put into it to the range, shoot 100 rounds through it at a target for precision or accuracy, take your pick and then compare those targets to my targets with that device for 100 rounds and see if there's a noticeable improvement.
Speaker 2I think it's going to depend on the distance. So I think the closer distances you're going to see less and less of a difference than a pistol, right.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2But, I think as soon as you go out past, let's say, 50 yards, it's going to be night and day difference. If it's 30 yards, it'll probably be night and day difference.
Speaker 1Yeah, back when I was shooting competitively we were doing 75 feet so 25 yards, feet so 25 yards. But these days, like when I took my buddies to range, I kind of find that 50 feet is about as far as I want to move the target these days.
Speaker 2Well, I mean, I'll be honest with you, when I go to a pistol range, I focus on really that 25 to 50 feet. And the reason why is because in any sort of defensive shooting you're going to be that distance or closer yeah, almost always statistically. So you know, when I'm out at my parents or something and I want to piss off my mom because she's having trouble and trying to get more accurate and everything, and I back up to to way back there and I just go here let me show you Ping, there's that. But other than that, there's no practical reason for it. Yeah, yeah, quite frankly, if you want to—advice to anyone, if you want to feel like, am I good enough with a gun to carry it for defense, uh, all you got to be able to do is hit a silhouette size target reliably. Right, don't go slinging around somewhere else.
Speaker 2But be able to hit a silhouette size target at 25 to 50 feet and you're more than accurate. You are more accurate than most police officers.
Speaker 1Yeah, so back when I was a firearms instructor, we did seven yards. That was the test was seven yards at a body-sized target and you want to try and keep it in the thoracic.
Speaker 2Well, I'm not even saying for your concealed handgun license or anything else I'm just talking about practical accuracy here, not yeah, yeah, anything else. But I mean, there's a difference between target shooting and if you can't hit a thoracic if you can't hit a human-sized target at seven yards, you have no business carrying a gun right, right, I'll tell you what, though.
Speaker 1Uh, when you get good at shooting targets like that fairly quickly, so two rounds and under two seconds, um, and you feel like, oh yeah, I can do this all day long. And then they, they give you a moving target and you feel like you're a complete beginner, oh yeah, like you can't hit the broad side of a barn at five feet because it's moving yeah amazing what movement does to just fuck with your confidence and unless you've been hunting all your life and then you know it's less of an issue well, if you're hunting at moving game.
Speaker 1Yes, yes I I've never shot at the game that's moving. I always only shot when they're stationary? No, I've never done that because I feel I feel bad for, like, hitting something and not killing it. So I'm only going to take the shot if it's a kill shot. And the only way I can ensure a kill shot is, if it's not moving, not true Me For me.
Speaker 1Maybe for you my confidence Now, in video games I shoot moving targets all day long, but with real rifles. I don't want to wound an animal, I want to kill it if I'm going to pull the trigger, and my confidence in that is that I can do that fairly reliably with a stationary animal, but not with an animal that's running away. Well.
Speaker 2I rifle shotguns and pistols. I've killed animals moving.
Speaker 1Well, you've done this way more than I have. I mean, it is a matter of practice, right, and it's a practice builds both confidence and accuracy or consistency, that's the consistency.
Speaker 2I remember the first 1911 I ever had. I was out at the river camp we have on the spleen and, uh, I won't say the species of the snake because I don't want to get in trouble, but there was a big ass snake coming across my path that it did not live long and at 45 ended it very quickly.
Speaker 1Yes, they're snakes eat pests.
Casual Conversations on Science Fiction
Speaker 2It is yes, and you know when it's a six foot and poisonous it eat pests it is stupid to kill snakes and you know when it's a six-foot and poisonous it goes away when there are kids around.
Speaker 1A snake is not going to attack kids, dude.
Speaker 2I got videos of kids playing with cobras. Dude, if this type of snake is the kind of snake you walk up on, you don't realize it's there and then once you do, you're either bit or scare. Chit list, so it was gone anyway, all right. And then the cotton mouth.
Speaker 1What was the snake?
Speaker 2I just said I didn't want to say but it was a, it was a timber rattler yeah, why wouldn't you say a timber rattler?
Speaker 1what's wrong with?
Speaker 2that because technically a endangered species oh, is it really?
Speaker 1I didn't know that. Yeah, well, I thought I thought Texas has like a rattlesnake festival.
Speaker 2Totally different rattlesnake and in a different part of the state.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2Well.
Speaker 1I don't believe in killing snakes in general as a principle.
Speaker 2Well, does it make you feel better that I killed a rabbit as well? No, with the same 45?.
Speaker 1I really don't care if you kill rabbits, they don't do anything for me. But of course I buy pre-frozen rabbits. But I've killed rabbits manually with my hands.
Speaker 2They, they, they breed like crazy they do breed like crazy, but they mate for life I don't know about that. I think they'll mean anything that moves yeah, that's the joke online dude, you haven't seen that meme where the girl's like rabbits have lots of sex and we still find them cute. Why can't you find me cute? The the dude responding says they mate for life.
Speaker 1You, whatever, whatever, whatever, dump, yeah that's the entire joke I've never raised a rabbit. I think they're kind of stinky to raise, frankly yeah, they, they, they very much are. But so I know people that are big into snakes to save money, at some point start raising rabbits. But uh, I just I'm fine with making my semi-annual drive out to my rabbit guy well, you need to make another one out here, and we need to hang out. I know Totally Go do some plinking. So where are you at on the TV show? You got me going on.
Speaker 2Babylon 5? That would be the one I'd have to go.
Speaker 1look at it, I think you caught up to me right. Yeah, I'm right there with you, did you go?
Speaker 2back and watch in the beginning.
Speaker 1No, because I didn't realize you had to pay for them until you told me, and so I'll probably do that after the fifth season. Now.
Speaker 2No, no, no no.
Speaker 1I should do it before. Yes. Okay, yes, all right, all right. All right, because you're going to Go pay for them.
Speaker 2There's so much. It's one dude. All you got to do is buy you told me way later.
Speaker 1You can do that one after.
Speaker 3Okay, all right yeah, so what's the one I want to buy?
Speaker 2I'll just do right now in the beginning in the beginning. Okay, yeah the only two b5 movies that I. So everyone needs to watch the gathering because that's the kickoff, right, that's the very first, and then after that you watch seasons one through four. After season four, you watch in the beginning because it's it a it. It really tells a lot of the story.
Speaker 1That gets set up for season five, um it looks like there was a in the beginning complete mini series.
Speaker 2That's not it no, so if you're looking, on five in the beginning, if you're looking on in the beginning if you're looking on amazon, you have to search for babylon 5 movies and then it's going to have episodes one through whatever, and those are all the movies. That's the only way that they're on there right now.
Speaker 1One five the movies, movies the movies movies. Come on work anyway.
Speaker 2But yeah, in in the beginning, tell some of the back story. Gives you a great back story for Sheridan and some of the other stuff.
Speaker 1I do not see it here. Ah, jesus.
Speaker 2Christ, I'll send you a link send me a link, and then of the other stuff. I do not see it here. Ah, jesus christ, I'll send you a link.
Speaker 1Send me like yeah, thanks and then, of course, uh, you also apparently recommend the book, but somebody else did as well, so I started reading it what are you thinking of the baba verse? I'm liking it, man. I thought it was a little nutty at first, but I'm really getting into it oh, it's, it's, it is nutty.
Speaker 2There's no doubt's nutty, but it's the kind of nutty that I know you would like.
Speaker 1It's very nerdy. There's a lot of inside Star Trek or inside baseball, I was going to say, but it's really more like inside Star Trek kind of references A lot of sci-fi, pop culture references.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think this may be linking to the second one, but whatever, you'll find Babylon 5, colon, the movies, and there you go.
Speaker 1Cool, that's a good thing, but I also I already kind of told you my main gripe that I've settled on with Babylon 5 is that I don't like the use of time, travel trope they do it once as a main thing that holds the series together they do it once well, they may do it once, but how much is this going to be? Now, it's in the beginning a dollar 99 that's standard definition.
Speaker 2I want it in high def I don't know that it comes in high def does it not come in high def jesus christ? It's old dude fuck's sake.
Speaker 1Yeah, it doesn't come in high def.
Speaker 2Yeah, it was a made for tv movie in the 90s yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they could have remastered it or something.
Speaker 1Okay, I bought it. And then, which one's the other one I should buy?
Speaker 2um, so you can watch the others as well, but In order of quality.
Speaker 1What's the next one? So in Third Space, Call to Arms.
Speaker 2The two that matter for the story and everything else are In the Beginning and A Call to Arms.
Speaker 1Call to Arms. Okay, I'll buy that one as well. And then I'm still paying for frickin' Apple TV, because you got me watching the other show, silo uh-huh and I'm like four episodes behind on that one, so I have no idea what the latest stuff is. I need to do that. I need to remember to cancel it because it's uh, I'm not even watching it right now, so cancel, I know although I will say the asimov stuff is on there which I'm gonna, I will say the Asimov stuff is on there which I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 1Watch it, Yep B five, Okay, Cause I really liked there. I mean, again, it's not. It's not identical to book by any stretch, but uh, I really liked the portrayal of empire.
Speaker 2Okay, well, you know when, when I found silo and I got into silo, yeah Uh, part of my justification for paying five bucks a month or whatever it is. Exactly, yeah, I get it. But anyway, back to the Baba verse. Yeah, yeah, so I I told in fact I think I talked about the Baba verse on this podcast because I went through the entire series so fast.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, okay, I entire series so fast.
Speaker 2Yeah, okay, okay I now I did buy the second and third book, but I'm still just reading the first one yet. Yeah, um, so the after the third book there gets some monotony in there to an extent. Uh, and I it's. I think it slows down to an extent, but you're I. At least, I was invested enough and the story was good enough that I went through it.
Speaker 1How many books were there?
Speaker 2Quite frankly, when he releases the next book I think book five or book six, whichever it is the next one comes out, I will go into it as well.
Speaker 1Well, the added thing that makes it fun for me is actually flying to the solar systems that he is talking about in each of the stories, right?
Speaker 2and we should say that this, this is relatively hard science fiction with comedy yes, it's. It's very andy weir-esque. I put him right up there with andy weir's sense of humor. So if you like the martian, you like project hail.
Speaker 1Mary, you would like this yeah, oh, and then you were asking about the andy weir book. I thought it was new, but I guess it wasn't very new. I sent you a link to it as well, which? One was it um, it was the uh james moriarty consulting criminal oh, I yeah, I didn't even, I didn't even go there.
Speaker 2Really, isn't it good?
Speaker 1It is. It is. I got about a third of the way through it before I changed books and I enjoyed it. I think it was written. It felt like it could have been written by Conan Doyle.
Speaker 2Okay, well then I may listen to it or read it, I don't know, but that just didn't interest me from him. But maybe I like Andy Weir. I've read all of his other stuff.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Hail Mary's, his best so far, though.
Speaker 1You like that one the most.
Speaker 2Yeah, have you read it I?
Speaker 1like all of them. Yeah, I read them yeah. Yeah, it was a good one. The one with the moon was good. I think they were all good, really, you don't like that one, huh.
Speaker 2Artemis yeah.
Speaker 1The whole mining operation. Eh. Yeah well, you haven't mined a whole lot of asteroids in space I have, so yeah, with your gravity drives. You know, I bet you and this is this. May sound sad to some people, but I've been playing space games for over 20 years yeah and I will bet you I have probably spent somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 000 hours just mining asteroids.
Speaker 2Jesus Christ. That's across three years of work across four different games, that's three years of work.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. Well, I've done over 20,000 hours of of space games in general.
Speaker 2In over how many years?
Speaker 120.
Speaker 2Dude, what so?
Speaker 1that's literally 20 hours a week? Yeah, well, it's a half-time job, yeah, but I mean there have been points in my life where it was my full-time job.
Speaker 2Uh-huh Earning money.
Speaker 1No, I don't mean it in the sense of earning money. I mean it in the sense of things that I had to do because I was at commitments to people to deliver things. I had deliverables, damn it. People were counting on me.
Speaker 2Jesus Christ, I deliverables, damn it people were counting on me.
Speaker 1Jesus christ, oh, that's a lot of gaming. It is a lot of gaming and uh, and I, this is, this is, I think you know the, the, the bar graph, or not the bar graph, the, the line graph, for are you a gamer and you kind of go from you know light gaming on your phone to I built a full motion simulator gaming that that line is parabolic yeah it's not a straight line agreed.
Speaker 2So because you go from your phone to the console gamers, to the hardcore PC gamers.
Speaker 1To adding a bunch of peripherals and things and then eventually, if you're crazy enough and you can afford it, you build a full motion rig.
Speaker 2Yeah, so for instance, when I was at my gaming height. I was a big PC gamer.
Speaker 2This is before the PS1 had come out. The Xbox One was just coming out. Um, I had had you know, nintendo, super nintendo, n64, genesis, etc. But I I was really getting into pc gaming and, yeah, you know, I remember the first aftermarket graphics card that I ever put in the computer and it was a voodoo three yeah, I remember that was the shit back then it was. It was I mean, and I had a quantum fireball hard drive in this thing, which was a 5400 rpm hard drive insanely fast mostly yeah yes and they were.
Speaker 2They had to take up one of your five-and-a-quarter bays.
Speaker 1That's right, because they were a big platform. And they kept making the Bigfoot drives eventually, which were the last of the five-and-a-quarter series of Bigfoot.
Speaker 2Yeah, I remember Anyway, and I had 128 megabytes of RAM in this computer.
Speaker 2Pretty good With an AMD K6-2 processor and I had 128 megabytes of ram and pretty good with amd k62 processor I never had an amd until recently until reasonably recently. Oh, I'm running amd right now. Oh man, I I had a amd. Oh shit, what operating. Uh, I guess the primary operating system was windows 98 and then I was also running corel linux at the time I was still booting corel linux at the time. Yeah, anyway, uh, but yeah, so I I've been a pretty serious gamer back in the day, right, I was a.
Speaker 2I was part of a college club, the LC Web Monks and we did massive LAN parties and I did the networking for the LAN parties and a whole bunch of other shit. You know, all the time Did a lot. And then I went to college like really instead of kind of college, like really instead of kind of um, and I got less into land parties and stuff moved more towards the console and casual gaming on. You know, like friends are over, we're gonna play call of duty, zombie mode or whatever you remember the wii that I hated the wii, never liked the wii we was I think I lost like 20 pounds with that thing.
Speaker 1I always thought the Wii was stupid Because it forced you to move around. Yeah, I played a lot of like ping pong and tennis and stuff.
Speaker 2So you remember the original Xbox or the Xbox 360. The original Xbox 360 had the video, the binocular camera that was a competitor to the Wii, that you were the controller and not anything else, and it never worked right. It never worked right, but I literally got one for my mom for their exercise program and she ended up not really using it.
Speaker 1I got my parents the Wii back then. I still have a 360 and an Xbox One sitting collecting dust underneath my desk, to my left foot.
Speaker 2I have a 360 in the closet up here as well as an original Xbox that's hacked and modded. I had hacked and modded all my original Xbox. In fact, before Roku's came out, I was using it was a very early version of what became Plex. Yeah, to be able to stream movies to my xbox and everything I was running xbox as well in fact, I had the folder structure for all these videos set up, including babylon 5, at the time with the cover art and everything like I had it pretty man oh, I had it pretty yeah as uh, back when I used to collect shit too, before my nas crashed and died and I lost all my libraries.
Tech Enthusiasts Discuss Computer Upgrades
Speaker 1But it proved to me, you know, that nas crashing and I lost probably 500 movies, but it proved to me that not once after putting the movie on the nas did I ever watch any single one of those. Oh, see, I did I never did so. It was like okay, well, what's the point of collecting if I never looked at it?
Speaker 2well, I mean, there's lots of reasons, including historical. For instance, I've got all of aj's documentaries on my nas right now okay, well, I mean, that's, that's archival, that a little different.
Speaker 1But yeah, I know what you mean. There could be stuff that disappears.
Speaker 2I've got all of Doctor who on my NAS except for the new shit.
Speaker 1Oh really, I never had that.
Speaker 2I've got back to the 50s stuff on there.
Speaker 1That's cool yeah.
Speaker 2Well, don't do what I did and neglect your NAS to the point where two drives died same time, so you know what I do. One I have email alerts set up, but even if I'm dumb enough not to pay attention to that um. Number two, or if something goes wrong there, every time we do this podcast, I sign into my nas and I check the drive health oh, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1Yeah, I haven't signed it in about half a year. I should probably do that.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1It's just. I used to use it all the time.
Speaker 2The problem is oh, I use it for backups.
Speaker 1It doesn't feel useful because it doesn't have a 10 gig interface on it and I've started looking for like getting one with a 10 gig on it. You don't need a 10 gig.
Speaker 2I do. You really don't Like. A 2.5 gig will max out any Wi-Fi that you have, which is I don't use Wi-Fi, I use hard cables, dude. All my computers.
Speaker 1My iPads are on Wi-Fi, but all my computers are plugged in.
Speaker 2Your laptops you have plugged in. They're plugged in. Yep With 10 gig adapters. Yeah, and you have a 10 gig switch. They're just USB-C, man.
Speaker 1They're just USB-C. Yeah, that was. The first thing I bought was a 10 gig switch.
Speaker 2Okay, well, whatever, I see no use for 10 gig in my life right now I see no use for 10 gig in my life.
Speaker 1The the upgrade price from uh one gig to 10 gig on the mac mini is just 100 bucks. Okay, like 10 gigs have really come down a lot. Okay, cool. They're not for data centers only anymore cool but I don't have a 10 gig switch. The only reason that I would want to get an as it does 10 gig is now that I'm producing youtube videos. All those files are fucking big, yeah, and I just want to keep them somewhere yeah, I don't want to wait for sites to get rid of your channel.
Speaker 1You don't lose them all yeah, exactly because you know that'll happen eventually. Yeah, um, so I'd like to back them up. Right now I'm actually just backing them up on ssds, but I'm gonna run out of space on that. I'm backing up from one ssd to another ssd. Okay, that's like ideally.
Speaker 2I could just have them be sitting on cheaper storage like a nas well, I mean, how much storage do you need and do you really need a nas? Or can you take well like you're, I've, I've. I remember I don't know how many episodes ago it was on Unrelenting you were talking to Darren about potentially upgrading your Mac Mini.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2All right, so take your Mac Mini that you have right now with the 10 gig interface string some Thunderbolt drives attached to it, or whatever you want to do, and there you go.
Speaker 1Well, I could do that, but I don't really think that's a cheaper solution.
Speaker 2Sure it is. If you're already upgrading the Mac Mini, and then you've got drives, it's way cheaper.
Speaker 1Yeah, but it's not as fast, I don't know. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 2I won't be able to saturate my 10 gig link. Oh no, Woe is me.
Speaker 1I probably could saturate it if I actually did the video editing via the network link. That would saturate it.
Speaker 2You're one of those guys that's looking at the new NVIDIA card going oh, it's got extra PCI buses and I can put storage on there buses and I can put storage on there.
Speaker 1I you know, I I I do have in my amazon shopping cart right now I have a four, four m2 pci gen 4 adapter sitting there waiting until it drops in price a little bit uh-huh, because I I do want to put more of those in my pc yeah I, I don't know you at all.
Speaker 2Gene I don't know you at all who are you?
Speaker 1oh my god, you're buying toys for your guns. I'm buying toys for my pc, yeah it's uh, because, frankly, the motherboard I I I used to build this pc I picked out specifically because it had three ss SSD slots natively on the motherboard, three M.2 slots.
Speaker 2Yeah for the MVMAs.
Speaker 1And like that's not enough anymore, I need more.
Speaker 2Why More drives? Are you raiding them at least?
Speaker 1No.
Speaker 2Raiding.
Speaker 1That three is not enough to raid. Sure it is. They're all full dude, I'm not going to lose a drive.
Speaker 2I mean, you could go raid zero.
Speaker 1Uh, I'm not going to lose two drives. No way, no.
Speaker 2Raid zero means, you have no redundancy. If one fails, you lose everything.
Speaker 1Uh, yeah, but why would I do that? I mean there's not really any speed benefit there? There is no, they're running at PCI speed. Yes, I understand. Yeah, the learning factor is the interface. No, it is Okay, the X4 drives. The learning factor is the interface. The chips can actually run faster. Okay. Now the Gen 5 drives that are starting to come out. Those can run faster because they use two PCI channels at the same time. But you can only have two of those per board.
Speaker 2Yeah, anyway, nerd, what else we got to cover.
Speaker 1Hey man, some of us build our computers, others, I guess just buy something somebody else built. Hey come, hey man, some of us build our computers, others, I guess just buy something somebody else built.
Speaker 2Hey, hey, hey, I have I guarantee you, I have probably built just as many computers in my life as you have maybe, maybe, but it's not.
Speaker 1It's not a low number.
Speaker 2I've built dozens of computers all right, I worked in college at a uh little it shop pc thing you know links a slurry shop, local computer store working my way through college building custom computers for people. I guarantee you have built as many, if not more, than you have I don't know man, because I built servers that were custom servers for people okay, me too. Back like 20 years ago. I used to build. I had servers in my house yeah, yeah, well it's.
Speaker 1Everybody had servers in their house everybody.
Speaker 2I knew one in my house. It's just not turned on because it's expensive to run um it's uh, it's more, it's a uh.
Speaker 1I think there's certain skills, certain hobbies that I still enjoy maintaining and programming. I, I do something, I write something at least every other month. So I I don't want to get to a point where I can't actually program something that I want to do Building PCs, hardware, actually assembling the computer by pieces rather than by looking at what's available from manufacturer. I still think that's a worthwhile skill.
Speaker 1And not just to save money, but that's a skill that doesn't really go away honestly, there's like no real savings, when it comes down to it, versus buying a pre-built computer oh hell no, especially if anything goes wrong yeah, even warranty aside. Uh, quite often they get better pricing than I can get anywhere on components so you pay. You pay more to do your own build, but that's the only way to get what you want. And, dude I, I literally have to start saving now for my christmas present.
Speaker 1Um, because it appears like those five thousand dollar graphics on the 5090 card is looking like it's twenty six hundred dollars. Yeah, my first car was less than that.
Speaker 2My first car was two thousand dollars and there's really not a lot of performance improvements well, we don't really know yet, but uh, according to linus, linus doesn't really know yet okay, well, he doesn't have.
Speaker 1It's really just more chips on there for, uh, storage and stuff yeah, if you look at purely like, what is there more in terms of, uh, the, the processing power, it's about a 25 increase. Yeah, but the price is higher than most computers okay.
Speaker 2So what are you going to sell your old card for?
Speaker 1I, I don't know yet. I mean, I still have my 1080, I just don't use that. And then I've got the current one, and then my laptop is a 4080, and then this will the new desktop will be a 5090 oh, this old windows machine that I'm on.
Speaker 2What does that have come on? Nvidia, where are you? Hold on, I gotta move the mic. I was sitting reclined back and, as a you know, as one does Mm-hmm and couldn't type so yeah. So this is on this one. It's an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050.
Speaker 11050. Wow, that's even worse, yeah well, this is an older laptop. Got me a long way, man. I got um. I probably used that computer for about three years yeah, this is a circa like 2016 laptop.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, it's like an eight-year-old laptop, year old laptop and it is the last of the mohicans yeah, my, my oldest laptop still works, which is older than my old desktop, and that laptop is a mobile 1080 card cool, so that is not as good a performance as the desktop 1080, obviously, but that but that thing, remember, I was telling you that was my original gigabyte laptop and the battery obviously still is shot, but the computer still works.
Speaker 2Well, this one I'm on right now was a Dell XPS 15. I think the first generation or the second generation xps 15 yeah, I remember those. Yeah, very nice laptop at the time. Well, yeah, we've talked about gaming and laptops long enough. Is there anything else we need to cover?
Speaker 1um well, I mean we're getting closer to trump's inauguration. You saw that, uh, some judge in new york basically said we don't give a shit. Yeah, we're going to go through something.
Speaker 2We're going to sentence him on the 10th, which is the day. I'm flying back from Virginia, so I hope I make it.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, send me when you're flying out there so I can check with my buddy see if he's around.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1I will be in the norfolk. Say it on here. Just tell me why it's not good to put out your travel plans publicly. I'm just saying okay well you know, I don't recommend it. It's okay, you could say next week or in a couple of weeks, that's fine, but I would not list the times.
Speaker 2But I actually I wouldn't list the times either. Well, that's what I'm looking for, range.
Speaker 1So yeah, I well it doesn't. If I tell him the date range, that's not going to do him any good to say whether he's around to get dinner with you whether he'll be able to assessinate me or not. I need to know your time of arrival and the airline that you're taking there. Pass that information. What rental? Car. What hotel he doesn't need that he just needs your flight number and he's already got your name, so he's good to go on that.
Speaker 2Yeah, so next week I'll be in the Virginia beach area. Yeah.
Speaker 1Put it that way. Oh, it'll be beautiful out there.
Speaker 2It'll be colder, bring your fall weather closing.
Speaker 1Yeah, absolutely, oh, it'll be.
Speaker 2I've never been to this part of Virginia, so I'm looking forward to it. Cold and wet, yeah. Naval base yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah and wet. Yeah, naval base yeah, yeah, definitely cold and wet. Um so, yeah, well, it's, that's good. I got no travel plans coming up, although I do need to go to mexico yeah, well, meerschaum, uh, wanting to sentence trump.
Speaker 2um, you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens there, because you know what happens if he says yeah, trump jail time.
Speaker 1Surrender yourself now. Yeah, he will. I'm sure he was planning on it.
Speaker 2I think that will force a constitutional crisis.
Speaker 1Well, as long as it's before he starts, before he's sworn in, I don't know that he has a whole lot to say then.
Speaker 2I think the Secret Service will have something to say about it.
Speaker 1Well, I mean not really up to them, is it?
Speaker 2I don't see Trump surrendering. I don't see.
Speaker 1Trump surrendering either. But also I don't think that simply because somebody has been elected to a public office in the future, that that means that all pending issues against them are now irrelevant.
Speaker 2This was a politically driven issue.
Speaker 1I know, I fully understand that, and it's obviously a bullshit charge done in a state which just wants to hang the guy. They don't care if it's fair or not.
Speaker 2I don't think he should show up.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't think he should show up either, but at the same time I don't really think that there's a constitutional objection to this. It's before he's sworn in.
Speaker 2Well, even if, as a president, it's a state charge, they can do whatever they want.
Debate on Presidential Pardons
Speaker 1The federal government doesn't have any purview over that well, I don't think that a state can charge a sitting president with diddly squat. Sure, I think he's got full immunity.
Speaker 2Nope, I think he does tell me we where in the Constitution that is implied, much less explicitly stated.
Speaker 1I think the commander-in-chief renders him full immunity.
Speaker 2No, it does not.
Speaker 1That was not the end. Read the.
Speaker 2Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers dude.
Speaker 3That didn't get passed, though did it. That's not the intent.
Speaker 2Yeah, so from a practical standpoint, I think, think yes, I know in Mother Russia Right, but that is not the way the Constitution is written and the fact of the matter is, the states have the ability to nullify federal law Up and into the incorporation doctrine.
Speaker 1What happened the last time that a state tried to imprison a politician of a the federal government?
Speaker 2never happened exactly well, uh, I mean you could say lincoln's, uh, lincoln imprisoning state officials.
Speaker 1But yeah, but that's that's that the inverse of what I'm trying to? Say is that if a state tried to imprison a federal, a substantially high level federal official like exactly. Imagine if some state and I would be fully in support of this tried to arraign and imprison um fauci during the time that he was active with the whole thing. How well do you think that would have gone over? It wouldn't, exactly Because there would be some claim of federal exclusivity or some bullshit.
Speaker 1They would come up with that basically says you, as a state, have no power, you have no standing to apply your state laws to this federal official in his capacity as a federal official.
Speaker 2Yeah, I get what you're saying. I'm just saying there's nothing in the Constitution that would permit that yeah, but the Constitution is what?
Speaker 1How many pages?
Speaker 2It is a document of negative liberties, to quote Barack Obama.
Speaker 1Eight pages or so, right, depending on the font size. Yeah, I mean the USC. How many pages is the US Code?
Speaker 2Oh God, Tens and tens of thousands 12,000 pages.
Speaker 1So if we purely ran under the Constitution, that's not counting ancillary statutes, but yeah. Not counting what. Interpretation and statutes, but yeah, not counting what uh interpretation statutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that. That's the actual code, that's what was passed. Is 12 right?
Speaker 2yeah, statutory not. Yeah, yeah, gotcha not anyway yeah, so my point is that it is
Speaker 1retardedly big it is so big that no human can memorize the whole thing. Yes, show me the man I'll show you the crime, exactly, exactly. And that's a true statement, I think in most countries yes, well, there's I can't think of a country that has sufficiently few enough laws where that statement would not be true agreed and I think we agree that trump should not attend this sentencing, even if they decide to hold. Yeah, no, we're in violent agreement here.
Speaker 2That's what we're, that's what we're famous for, yeah because I I think it will set up a constitutional crisis and I think it will potentially uh cause massive problems if trump. I think, if they force the issue on this Trump, the best thing that could happen would be for Mircham to come out and say he's guilty, he's going to be fined a million dollars and that's it.
Speaker 1That would be a way to actually make it stick, probably because it'd be hard pressed for Trump to not pay that.
Speaker 2Exactly, and just get it over with and be done, yeah, and it wouldn't cause a ruckus, I think, and it's not even a felony.
Speaker 1I I think it is well. If it's a felony, then he can never own a gun.
Speaker 2I right so that he should fight at them he well, he can seek restoration of his rights from the governor that would be what it would take. But anyway, good luck. Exactly he should be pardoned by the president. He can't be, it's a state crime, uh wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1So you're telling me all 8 000 pardons that b just did are federal charges.
Speaker 2And, by the way, that's almost 10,000.
Speaker 1now it's 9,600 and something Holy shit that's up there. Wow, yes, that's all federal crimes and I know some of those are clemencies, but still Okay. So none of those are state Wow.
Speaker 2Yeah, 6,000 of those were clemency.
Speaker 1Yeah yeah, that's crazy, and I'm sure some of them were rightfully pardoned too. I'm not saying all of these guys shouldn't have been pardoned.
Speaker 2Right, right.
Speaker 1Right, the number just jumps right out at you.
Speaker 2But if you take the mass clemency out that he did, he's still over double what Barack Obama did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's almost triple what Clinton did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's almost triple what Clinton did. Mm-hmm, he's five times as much as what Trump did. Yeah. Like it's an insane number of pardons.
Speaker 1And quite frankly— I think the last big one was Jimmy Carter actually.
Speaker 2Hold on Quite. Frankly, there's no way he physically signed that many pardons. No, no, no. Let's be honest about that. The man is too infirm to have physically signed those pardons.
Speaker 1I don't know that he needs to physically sign them.
Speaker 2He does has.
Speaker 1Obama passed the Digital Millennium Digital Signature Act or something Anyway, something that effectively treats the digital signature equivalents.
Speaker 2Sure, he would still have to.
Speaker 1All right, there's no way he clicked except on 9, it's a single pdf with every page in there and the final page is a one-page signature.
Speaker 2And click here to sign uh-huh, I don't think that's how that happened, but anyway, the point is, I'll bet you that's exactly how it happened okay, here, here's the deal the all these pardons, especially the hunter biden pardon on the, the hunter biden pardon on any crimes he has committed or may have committed.
Speaker 1That's, that's a great one, I, I want that one. If somebody ever pardons me, I want that one.
Speaker 2Yeah, no shit, may may have, especially with a four hour in the future, I can go party for four hours, do whatever the hell I want exactly yes, um, but anyway the only other time a president has issued that type of broad pardon was ford for nixon yeah, and it was never challenged constitutionally yeah I do not. I do not believe, I do not see it in english tradition or english common law how you can have a blanket pardon.
Speaker 2Pardons are supposed to be specific right, right, right blanket clemency is basically a hands off it is yeah, which is not in our system of justice that only leaves one option, though that's the problem.
Speaker 1It what that?
Speaker 2only leaves one option. What's?
Speaker 1That's the problem, what that only leaves one option. What's that Assassination?
Speaker 2Yeah, well, I mean, at this point I'm not worried about assassinating Hunter Biden or someone doing that.
Speaker 1But what I think For as much of a loser as Hunter is there are points where I felt sorry for the guy. Oh, absolutely, because keep in mind who his father is, yes, and what kind of a childhood he had.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1And what?
Speaker 2childhood he knew his sister had yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1I mean broadly the entire childhood that he experienced is so far from normal.
Speaker 2Anyone who has an affair with his dead brother's wife. Something ain't right there. That is a call for help.
Speaker 1I mean okay, so you say that.
Speaker 2However, there was actually a tradition where you, if your brother dies are responsible for marrying your brother's wife, yeah, or taking care of her.
Speaker 1I understand that used to be a thing yes, okay, not what happened here anyway, point is that pardon should be challenged in the courts as unconstitutional I agree with you, but also I wouldn't feel bad if it's not.
Speaker 2I think it is an abuse of the executive branch and the executive power and needs to be overturned. And what I would say is, if I'm Trump, I would go in and say because this pardon was illegally enacted, I am instructing uh justice department to ignore it and let the court sort it out now that's going to open the door to every presidential pardon having exactly that's.
Speaker 1That's the reason that he's not going to do it is because it makes every one of his pardons immediately up for debate after he's out of office. The I it's. It's the small club. Being a us president, it's a very small club. There are very few living members and I think there are certain things that you are now even though obama didn't do.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know it's amazing, he lived as long as he did. Honestly, the guy ate nothing but peanuts his whole life. Did he live that long? I think so I don't think there was any reason to replace him.
Speaker 2I think they have kept the idea of Carter being alive around so he could vote for Kamala, and now that that's over, okay, we can let him go.
Speaker 1Carter doesn't give a shit about Kamala. He's not giving a shit about him.
Speaker 2But he said he was proud that he lived long enough to be able to vote for kamala. Does anyone believe carter actually said that?
Speaker 1no, okay, no, I think he's been very senile for his last few years well, you know, this is the way this show goes.
Speaker 2We start off with politics, we talk about guns, we talk about fun things, and then we come back to politics.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's what happens in life, mm-hmm and I don't you know I've said this before with both you and Darren Like, the shows that I do with both of you guys are not particularly different from the phone calls I have with both of you guys.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm, yeah we just talk a little bit differently. But sure you think I don't? Not really I censor myself knowing that this is going to be published to an extent you probably do. I don't really. You are not as bombastic as I am at times. What you are not as bombastic as I am at times what you are not as bombastic as I am at times.
Speaker 1But I don't know that I am on our phone calls either. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2That's what I'm saying. You're just not as bombastic as I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, agreed.
Speaker 1That's true.
Podcast Advertising and Ethics
Speaker 2Yeah, that's probably right. So two housekeeping things before we wrap up. Okay, before we wrap, up okay one question and answer time. Right, parliament question and answer time. Send us some questions, we'll answer.
Speaker 1I thought you were going to talk about the british british house lords, talking about the 25 or 250 000 british young females that have been raped by muslims no, but that is a good one and the brits are finally waking up a little bit. Yes, are they, though, or are they just accepting it?
Speaker 2I think there's a huge portion of the british population that is not accepting of that, but anyway, so no, uh, csb had an idea on how we spread the show and how we get more listener engagement and one of the things was questions and I think it's an okay idea for us to try. So send us a question and we'll try and ask it of one or the other on the show. So if you want Gene to answer a question, send it to you know, dude at named Bencom.
Speaker 1You don't even need to do that. Our podcast has a reply format and it has for the last six months.
Speaker 2Yeah, and it has a fan mail and all that.
Speaker 1But I'm saying, if you want, to surprise Gene, send it to me.
Speaker 2If you want to surprise me, send it to Gene.
Speaker 1All right, I may or may not check that mailbox very regularly.
Speaker 2Yeah, anyway, the other thing was we did have. Uh, one of our listeners have some trouble downloading our podcast oh yeah, yeah, that did happen and what it turned out to be, and he sent in some mail it's the vpn and buzzsprout, buzzsprout blocking certain networks because, of suspicious activity. Aka, they're getting a shit ton of downloads from certain networks and they're blocking them because they know it is is, it's ad generation stuff it's a.
Speaker 1That's exactly right. So it's basically people who've decided that they want to earn money on their podcast by pretending there's like 10 000 people or 100000 people listening to it, and so they've got all these bots from other countries coming in on the vpn to download it as though they're in the united states and buzzsprout is smart enough to go hold up. This looks awfully suspicious when a whole bunch of downloads are all coming from the same ip address and they just keep going and going and going and going and going. It's like literally thousands of downloads all coming in from the same ip. And what does that ip point to? Oh, it's an end node of a vpn. Okay, let's just block it now. Some legitimate users of shitty vpns will be by that, but most people won't be.
Speaker 2No, anyway, point is, if you're having trouble downloading with fountain or any other podcast app, including even Apple music was getting blocked turn off your VPN. That seems to have solved it for people or use something else. It's a better VPN like proton.
Speaker 1Yeah, that seems to have solved it for people, or use something else. Use a better VPN like Proton. I guarantee you this was not a Proton address that they blocked.
Speaker 2No, oh, you mean a Proton VPN.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, no, this is probably NordVPN, the most commonly advertised VPN company in the world. You know how much they pay Nord. Yeah, $40 for every subscription. So if you advertise Nord and somebody subscribes using your link, you can get 40 bucks off of that. That's pretty good, good right, which is why so many people are doing it now so nord only charges the interest in advertising
Speaker 1well, look, and I've. I've sent you and, uh darren, both examples of the kind of ad propositions that I'm getting for my youtube channel little tiny channel, 1200 people, and they're like, uh, you know, three thousand dollars, twenty five hundred dollars. They're fairly substantial commission rates on advertising stuff. These are all games, you know, because that's the nature of my channel, is a gaming channel.
Speaker 2Advertising $3,000 for what?
Speaker 1So, based on the size of my channel, that is their estimate of the amount of money that I'll earn. Based on rates of downloads that they're seeing In a year no from a single ad no fucking way, yeah. Single ad no fucking way, yeah. Yep, no fucking way.
Speaker 2that episode stays up indefinitely okay, so this is over the indefinite time span indefinite, sure, indefinite time, but for one episode okay, meaningless I don't know about 80 of the downloads are going to happen in the first week okay, so I? I do not see you making hell. We'll say even a thousand dollars an episode right now at your current subscriber rate, man I mean, I should see that if it's an interesting game.
Speaker 1Dude, there's been a few games that people have downloaded en masse.
Speaker 2I've downloaded a couple recently okay, well, I mean, if you can do that then why aren't you doing that?
Speaker 1and quitting your day job because I don't, because I'm not gonna sell out to the man I I like having okay, all right there's no need to lie here we can go ahead and stop the recording now.
Speaker 2I'm not a shill and just have our conversation If you don't want to admit it to everyone else I have zero shilling in my YouTube channel.
Speaker 1I have zero shilling in my podcast.
Speaker 2I just I like look, unless it's for ponchos.
Speaker 1Well, clearly not because they didn't sell me. I suck at that, but uh, you know, I I really mostly listened to public radio when I was growing up. Oh jesus, that's what's wrong with you. I really don't like advertising. Well, I didn't have advertising. Yeah, people dislike it.
Speaker 2I just can't stand it right, but public radio has advertising um, well, if yes, it.
Speaker 1They didn't used to, so it used to be a lot less advertising, like they weren't allowed to mention brands or products. They. The only thing they were allowed to do is match donations back in the day, back in the 80. Now it is pretty much just advertising. You're right, but I just don't like interrupting something that I consider to be quality with ads. I have nothing against ads, I just don't want to be the one they're pointing at. Okay.
Speaker 2And if it's a product that I'm making making, I don't really want to have ads in it so okay, oh well, you know, uh, if we got offered that kind of money for this show uh well, it'd be all on you.
Speaker 1I wouldn't do anything to do that I would totally do the ad read for three grand you would. For three grand, you would.
Speaker 2You would just sell your soul to the man Three grand an episode. Yeah, so if we did four episodes a month, that's 12 grand a month.
Speaker 1Yeah, well, keep in mind, my YouTube channel has more subscribers than their show. Yeah, I got you. Whatever, well, keep in mind, my youtube channel has more subscribers than their show.
Speaker 2But yeah, yeah, I got you, you know, whatever. Um, which begs the question why aren't you advertising for our show on there?
Speaker 1I already got one nasty comment from somebody saying yeah, I really like your videos, really cool stuff, but I just realized what your political stance and fuck you again.
Speaker 2Why aren't you advertising for our show?
Speaker 1for that reason, because I don't, I don't need, you don't want to hurt your youtube channel anyway, no, I I think that'd be a great supplemental income. I'd take it in a heartbeat it's good supplemental income, but can you imagine doing a show that we just did and like at least a couple times during the show, talking about how great nord vpn is? No, I, I can't lie, man, I can't like I could do.
Speaker 2I could do a pre-roll and a post-roll of saying, hey, there's this VPN out there. It does these things, this is their ad copy.
Speaker 1Yeah, that would not generate the kind of revenue you're looking for.
Speaker 2Yeah, and they would definitely have to be totally okay with the politics and everything else. And, oh well, we don't like this topic. Well, too fucking bad, go somewhere else and that's.
Wrap Up of Character Design
Speaker 1That's the other point. Right? So the rates for a wholesome non-adult video game channel like I have are way higher than the rates for somebody. That's politics on youtube, yeah, like those people, by the way, by a wholesome non-adult video game I don't swear also well, yeah, but you do cyberpunk and you know other things.
Speaker 2I mean shit, dude. You might as well do link uh laser shoot, larry on your damn channel I don't do cyberpunk on there, oh well you've played. I do spaceships well, you should do cyberpunk on there no, I play cyberpunk on my own damn time.
Speaker 1I don't do it on the channel. Yeah, because you don't want to show I play one-handed.
Speaker 2Thank you, you don't want to show your choices online, Got it?
Speaker 1I play a very wholesome cyberpunk.
Speaker 2There is no way to play a wholesome cyberpunk.
Speaker 1My female character is mostly dressed. Oh, all right, gene, I think that's it my female character is mostly dressed.
Speaker 2Oh all right gene.
Speaker 1I think that's it I think we're done for tonight man happy new year everyone. We will catch y'all on the next one. Yeah, if you want to send us messages, use whatever method you want. Use our emails or just click on the little feedback link or whatever the heck it's called on each episode and keep clicking on that dollar sign because you know we need the money. Okay, well, we want the money. How's that?
Speaker 2better.
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