The Readirect Podcast
Shifting the conversation back to books. Hosted by Abigail Freshley and Emily Rojas.
The Readirect Podcast
Celeb Pap Walk Books
Today we're discussing the world of celebrity pap walks featuring the celebs and their books. From Sarah Jessica Parker (who always seems to be caught with a book) to Timmy C. on the subway reading Dune to a SPIRITED debate over the Bradley Cooper-Suki Waterhouse Lolita fiasco... We've got it all.
We're also discussing the recent trailer for Project Hail Mary (hello!!!!!) and the teaser/release date for People We Meet on Vacation.
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Welcome to the Redirect Podcast. I'm Abigail Freshly and I'm Emily Rojas, the Redirect.
Speaker 2:Podcast is the show where we shift the conversation back to books. We discuss themes from our favorite books and how those themes show up in our real lived experiences.
Speaker 1:On today's episode, we are talking about celebrities who get packed with books, what that means and what book recommendations we have for celebrities currently in a PR crisis.
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Speaker 2:That is true. That is true. You know what I was just thinking about how we started this pod. This is so off topic, but we started this podcast and our original idea was that we would talk about one nonfiction book and one fiction book every episode. It's just funny to see how far we've come. This is a much better model.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean knowing us, we would have given that up on that because've come that, this is a much better model. Yeah, I mean knowing us, we would have given that up on that because I mean, this is the most research that I've had to do for an episode in like a long time and, to be clear, I did about 15 minutes exactly. So, like a google search. Yeah, I think more our speed is just ranting, talking, y yapping. This is a yap, this is a yap podcast.
Speaker 2:This is a yap podcast and we are good at that, so, anyways, we hope you like it Okay.
Speaker 1:So a friend of the show had a really great idea for us. So this okay, here's the thing A couple episodes, not a couple. A few episodes ago we even had a call to our listeners. We said if there is an episode you want to hear, reach out to us and we'll probably do it. We're pretty flexible. We're very flexible. If it takes more than 15 minutes of research, we might not do it or it might take some time. Some prep, yeah, it might take some prep, but in general the idea was celebrities who do pap walks and the books that they're papped with and like dissecting that, and we were like immediately yes, that's such a great idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um. But we also decided, oh man, wouldn't it be fun to like, reverse it, like, ooh, we have some ideas for some pap walks, for some celebrities who may need a little bit of like boost to their stock.
Speaker 2:Positive PR yeah, totally.
Speaker 1:So this is right at the intersection of our interests. Yes, I'm very excited about this, just kind of starting off like if you don't know, if you're listening to this and you don't really know, like, what a pap walk is. Emily, can you explain what a pap walk is, why it would happen, how it would be organized and what's the purpose?
Speaker 2:You always throw these questions at me, why don't you ask me Okay, let me give you my best shot first. So basically, celebrities I didn't include you?
Speaker 1:No, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:Celebrities. They, you know, there are celebrities who by nature get paparazzi photos taken of them, and then there are some celebrities, or all celebrities, who all there's another version of that where it's not organic and they like are intentionally letting paparazzi know where they're going to be. They're walking. People accuse the Gaylors, accused Taylor Swift of doing this with Joe Alwyn Anytime there was a rumor.
Speaker 1:Taylor Swift definitely does do this Absolutely. She gets organically papped, for sure, but she also organizes pap walks.
Speaker 2:Because if she doesn't want to be seen, be seen. She's not seen. She's like she finds ways to not be seen anyone remember the famous like remember that giant box?
Speaker 1:she was in that box.
Speaker 2:I swear to god I know exactly what you're talking about. Um, yeah, so there's it's like a symbiotic relationship and you know, like low-level stars do this a lot, where they're like, oh, cited going to the farmer's market. It's like, girl, nobody was coming to that farmer's market. You had to call them to like, get these pictures taken of you and then they're able to sell the photos.
Speaker 1:So, um, yeah, it happens a lot when a celebrity needs a certain story written about them or a certain and sometimes it's really clear, like remember from like covid days when um sean mendez and camila cabello did that pap walk, and it's like you guys, this is walking dead. People are drinking like coffee, but the coffee cups clearly have nothing inside, it's just an empty paper cup like just drink. I don't know, just drink, put water in it. Look like you're carrying something at least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are times it's very obvious and the ones that we're going over today. We feel confident they are purposeful. Pap walks because I don't know about you, emily, but I typically don't walk with the books I'm reading out cover first in my arms, like a naive laughing, like gentle school girl. Like all of the books, like the cover is out has an arm, or the person who's being papped has a bag, but the book isn't in the bag.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes or they're not having one of their many servants do the bag or, like, hold the book, whatever. Anyways, there's a couple resources from a Reddit thread thread called in um our pop culture chat a classic subreddit, by the way and then also there's a vogue article um called the ultimate celebrity pop-up reading list. We source some from there also, just google images is what I'm looking at right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, google image search. Um, so some make sense, so actually there's some. Okay. Actually, before we get into celebrity pat box, I think there are a few that when you google search this, they are organic, like timmy chalamet was on the subway yeah and he was photographed reading dune yeah I bet he was actually reading dune I bet he was actually reading Dune.
Speaker 2:I bet he was actually reading it, but don't you think there's? There's definitely a conversation of like hey, you need to carry this around with you when you're out in public and get photographed reading this Like you're right, you're right, you know.
Speaker 2:like that's just a little bit. I'm interested in the logistics. I'm really interested in the logistics of, like, the celebrity PR world. It feels so intricate and strange to me and I would love to know, like, what are those email threads between the like Dune publicity people, Timmy T's publicity people being like, uh, hey, you need to go get photographed for reading Dune, but like it needs to be organic, so maybe go right around the subway with it.
Speaker 2:You know, like what is that like? And he seems very willing. Like he. I bet there's a lot of celebrities who would be like no, I'm not gonna go do that. But he's like he's just gonna do it, you know.
Speaker 1:Another one that I think truly is organic and maybe I'm just naive, but Chris Pine, often seen photographed outside of my local independent bookstore, but a couple times he's been photographed with the book stack that he bought and he'll like hold it up for paparazzi. I do believe that's organic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So in one of the stacks he had. I haven't read a few of these, but Lady Joker by Kaworu Takamura, los Angeles Standards by Kaworu Takamura, los Angeles Standards, summer Light and Then Comes the Night by John Kalman-Steffensen. And Tender is the Flesh, which is a cannibalism book. Yeah, so I don't know why he would be. Yeah, he seems like he has book integrity. This list right here gives book integrity because there's not a cohesive message, right, like it's kind of all over the place. It seems like a little weird, a little off, like it doesn't seem like. Okay, now let's juxtapose so like that's, that's a context that are, let's like juxtapose that to some of the choices made in purposeful pat walks. So the queen of a celebrity pat box is sarah deska parker. She gets papped with books like a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, like almost all the ones on google images are her with a book with the cover like beautifully, like she's got angles, she's got the pose nailed, so let's just kind of hit some of the books. So she was photographed reading alexi naval Patriot, a memoir by Alexei Navalny. She was photographed reading Monkey Grip by Helen Garner. Entitlement by Rumaan Alam, a Quitter's Paradise by Alicia Chang. Beautiful World when Are you by Sally Rooney and Bee Sting by Paul Murray.
Speaker 2:I have not read all of these books, but of the ones I'm familiar with, this list is giving, I am a sophisticate, I think deep thoughts, I'm very serious, I think big things about the world and like, take me seriously, I'm not just Carrie Bradshaw, this is what this list gives to me absolutely, and I think like there's something very relatable about that actually, because who among us doesn't want to like seem intelligent by the books we're reading and doesn't sometimes pick books with the express interest of people thinking, wow, what a like, thoughtful, smart person you must be? So I think like that's valid and I do think that I would do that if I was a celebrity.
Speaker 1:I. What I want to know is what do you? Okay, so this is a great question, okay, okay. So these are the books she's been packed with. What do you think is in her Kindle Unlimited library?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't think she reads for real.
Speaker 1:You don't think she reads for real, so do you think she's okay? Okay? And second question do you think she's actually read any of these books? No, the only book she was actually photographed reading was the sally rooney book, which feels the closest to something that she would actually read maybe a room on alarm, maybe, but no, she did not read. Alexi navalny patriot. I'm sorry, and it's like that's okay she listened to a, a New York Times podcast about Alexei Navalny. She did not read this book.
Speaker 2:I think probably most celebrities actually don't read a lot at all, and that includes your favorite TikTok influencer. They definitely don't read. They're going to try to get into BookTok. When they want to ghostwrite something, they read a few chapters of their friends, their other fellow influencers memoirs yeah, but they are not reading okay, um.
Speaker 1:Next on the list grimes the ex-partner. Or was she ever married to elon musk? Or they just like partners? Um I never just part. Yeah, I don't think they were legally married. Okay, grimes was photographed reading the communist manifesto this is so on the nose it's like embarrassingly on the nose.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, it's like who told you that was a?
Speaker 1:good idea, like like she'd know she 100% didn't read the communist manifesto. No, but she was like you know what would piss off my baby daddy? Yeah, being photographed reading the Communist Manifesto.
Speaker 2:Exactly and like rehab my image, like look how different I am than that person, than him that I chose to have a child with.
Speaker 1:Like I know, I willingly had a child with him. Two right, yeah. And then not only did I have those children, I named. Named them like X0, X9. Craziest things ever Can't even be pronounced God, but I'm not stolen valor. Yes Come on Like calm down Stolen valor. She is not a true comrade. Bradley Cooper and Suki Waterhouse were photographed in like Central Park on a blanket, cozied up reading Lolita, a book about child essay, and they're like giggling and laughing.
Speaker 2:There's like a significant age gap between them as well, so it's even worse. Help, it's like again, I just would love to know like what were you guys thinking? Like this is hilarious, like we're getting so much criticism, or like do you think that they?
Speaker 1:were actually reading the book.
Speaker 2:No, do you think that they?
Speaker 1:even knew what the book was.
Speaker 2:No, they had to have known. Bradley Cooper seems like the type who would have known. I think this was like this is a meta commentary on our relationship and we're going to go do this and get Pap doing it and it's going to be like ironic and it's going to be like we are self-aware of the implications and it's so funny. I really think that that is my read on that situation.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is such a generous read. My read was that they were like oh my god, let's go get a picture taken in the park, Let me grab something off the bookshelf.
Speaker 2:That's insane. That's even more insane Because how does that even happen?
Speaker 1:What do you guys think? Let us know. Yeah, bradley cooper and suki. What is their age gap?
Speaker 2:let's see I think she was like 19 or something at the time she was quite young, 17 years.
Speaker 1:They started dating in 2013, when he was 38 and she was 21. Problematic summer romance by ali hazelwood right ali hazelwood's brought me around on this.
Speaker 2:I don't think honestly, like, is that that bad? It's not great, but it's not great. The lolita of it all makes it worse. But okay, her being 21 I thought she was like 17, 18, 19, like borderline 21. I'm like, okay, that gives me more. I believe it now even more. I think this was self-aware. I think they were just doing this to be funny. That's my opinion. It's like an edgelord type, weird, like haha, this is like so older than her, let's go read lolita in the park, because there's just no way. How up, bro, I don't know how you grab this book and you don't know.
Speaker 1:I just feel like, hey, also have you ever shared a book like read a book at the literal, like the same physical copy of the book at the same time as another person? No, no, that's crazy. You know who would read a book like that?
Speaker 2:you know it's a weird fan fiction trope. I feel like this comes up a lot, where two people in a fan fiction will be reading maybe this is just because it was in cadence of part-time poets they would do this but they'll read, uh, two books and then, like, read 10 pages or read a chapter or something, and then you tell the other person what happened and then you swap and then they read, like the next chapter and you read the next chapter in the other book. I've never heard of this. Okay, I I feel like this is. I've read this more than once and it's like that's kind of like romantic in theory, but in reality I don't believe in that. Like no, we shouldn't be sharing books. You should read your book and I should read my book Also, y'all don't read at the same accelerated level.
Speaker 1:Yes, sorry, One of you has more AR points than the other one.
Speaker 2:Period and I would be sitting there waiting for someone to finish the book and be like can you hurry up? Also, just like there's no world in which me and Eric are interested in the same book, so that's just not going to happen. Like, ever.
Speaker 2:Maybe Lolita, probably not, but yeah, reading the same book at the same time is insane. I don't even like to like share, like you show someone you know, like an Instagram post and they're taking forever to read the caption. I don't even like to do that. Let's just read on our own private time. Okay, this is an independent activity. It is it is, it is.
Speaker 1:Okay, next, addison Rae. These are the ones I believe the absolute least when a celebrity is photographed reading and walking at the same time down a busy city street. That's why I had to pull this one.
Speaker 2:That's not real.
Speaker 1:Addison time down a busy city street. That's not real. Addison ray was uh spotted reading britney spears memoir. The woman in me insane.
Speaker 2:The thing I can't figure out, though, is did she do this trying to boost her own like? Hey, make comparisons between me and britney spears as a star, you know like. Did she do it for that reason? Or did britney spears's publishing company, marketing whatever get addison ray to read it, because they're like, oh, she's, you know, famous with the youths and other way around?
Speaker 1:I don't think that addison ray is like. I don't think britney spears needs addison ray's help selling her books.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But I think Addison Rae is like look at me also a child star, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But that is kind of a bad take, like you are not a child star in the same way.
Speaker 2:No, Is that what you want?
Speaker 1:Nor do you have the talent or star power or celebrity that she does. Yeah, that was her own choice. And, just like if we were your PR consultants, I think what we would say is hey, nobody reads while walking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, At least make it believable. At least Timmy T's on the subway sitting down looking embarrassed you know what are you doing. Wow, yeah, you need to have more shame, you do?
Speaker 1:people need to have more shame in general okay, megan fox was, was perhaps reading with carrying her own book, uh, which you know what fine that's game recognized like you know what promote yourself I get it yes um, fine, let's see. Um, all these books are like, so like heady and pretentious. Uh, let's see, jacob alorti was papped, uh, reading the art of cinema yeah the art of cinema. Do you think that he really read that?
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe, but you know what I'll say. I think this worked for him because I think jacob alorti has successfully rebranded himself as, like an actual actor, where he started out doing like fully.
Speaker 1:You know, terrible netflix rom-coms like yeah, so this like helped. But he also was photographed reading uh, prima fasi by suzy miller. These are both like serious artistic books about the his career path, exactly like I think this was. I don't know if he read them, but I think that these are probably that was strategic and I think it worked for him.
Speaker 2:Sarah jessica parker take notes it would be a lot of pressure, to be fair, if I was a celebrity, which I hope to never be someone who has paparazzi photos taken of them. But like the pressure of what book you are holding, like you just got to get a Kindle.
Speaker 1:If you're a legit reader.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't believe any of you guys, because there's no way you want to advertise all the books you're reading all the time.
Speaker 1:So I think, yeah, if you're a real reader, you have some shame.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly Because there's always going to be stuff that you read that maybe you don't want. Honest to god, there are stuff I've read this year that I have not even put in story graph because my four friends who include you on there. I don't want them to see what I've been reading. You know what I'm saying and like on the community portal. So if you're a real reader, you're not doing all this.
Speaker 1:You're not hey, by the way, you can add us on story graph.
Speaker 2:I'm at fabio yeah, at emily rojas reads, you know what? There's a lot of um celebrities also, including gg hadid and, I think, uh, paul meskel, who have been photographed reading the stranger by albert camus and that to me is like the most basic bitch classic book you could be photographed with. Dig deeper. It's like so short and it's a pretty easy read. And, um, sorry, it wasn't paul meskel, it was ryan gosling, very oh, yeah, like sexily holding that.
Speaker 2:So like, yeah, that one. Just like again, I don't believe you if you're holding the stranger. I don't believe that you're reading it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so these are the choices that have been made. I think we should make some suggestions. And recently I don't know if you remember, if you've heard Jeff Bezos got married and it was like the Hunger Games capital of weddings Truly grotesque. It actually made me a little sick to my stomach. Just the like, the extravagance, the wealth and the tone deafness of all of it.
Speaker 1:so I linked in our uh, in our notes, a list of all of many of the high profile celebrities that attended uh-huh and I think we should go through this list and pick a few folks uh to get some pr pap walk recommendations to rehab their image, I think, obviously like the.
Speaker 2:Kardashian-Jenners Like whatever they're too far gone, there's nothing they could read that could help them.
Speaker 1:Hey, but Oprah Winfrey and Gayle King were there. What are you guys?
Speaker 2:doing. I mean that tracks. Oprah is the reason we have Dr Oz and Dr Phil. And for those crimes. She should be tried she should be tried.
Speaker 1:Ivanka and jared kushner were there, but I want to zero in on sydney sweeney.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, sydney sweeney, you did not have to go to this I'm worried for her because of this and also recently she's been like there was a little bit of a conversation about her and the Glenn Powell and the fake dating rumors they stirred up during their movie. And I, she's doing the. Didn't she do the bathwater thing with the soap? Yeah, she's made some choices lately.
Speaker 1:She's made a lot of choices and I feel like this is some. They're really interesting choices. I don't know if they're like coordinated or calculated, but, um, she is on the precipice of really losing the plot, yeah, and kind of tanking what she was building, which was like a really successful and serious career. Totally on euphoria, she was like a star, you know. She's like she's done some really great stuff and I feel like also, she's worked so hard like I don't okay, hear me, I don't mean to say I feel sorry for hot people, yeah, okay, but I think that she came into a career where she was being like over sexualized because, she's conventionally beautiful and has like giant tits and small arms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and she was like no, they take me seriously, I'm not just like a sex kitten. Yeah, okay, but then you go and do shit like this, yes, and why are you at jeff bezos's wedding? Okay, so let's rein it back in. What should sydney sweeney be?
Speaker 2:photograph reading I think either and this is vague, maybe you have specifics Either she needs to get cast as a real person, like a legit and read their memoir.
Speaker 1:And read their memoir Like. Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, marilyn Monroe. But that's like there's a million Marilyn Monroe movies, but like someone, maybe even unknown, like a World War II feminist, like a you know, underground spy.
Speaker 1:It's so hard, though, because she has iPhone face.
Speaker 2:She totally does, but she still needs to get cast anyways as someone not hot, someone real who's not hot. And then she needs to be seen reading that person's book. And then, immediately after the news needs to drop of her being cast as that person, and you're like, wow, she was actually doing research for the role, for her audition, so she was taking this really seriously. That would be number one. Number two she should just shave her head. That's always drastic. Then people will be talking about that. That has nothing to do with the book. Then she could read Britney Spears' memoir and we'd all be like we get it.
Speaker 1:So you're saying she should manufacture like a psychotic break Sure, and then everyone would be like oh sure.
Speaker 2:And then everyone be like oh, that's why it was happening. She was totally, totally number three. She needs to just start like go, go, give into her base, or like she just needs to be seen reading verity by calling hoover and just like fully go yeah, the sun fully go for it. Those are my three advice columns for you, sydney.
Speaker 1:What would you say to her I think I do think she needs to read a memoir, but and I think it needs to be not a celebrity memoir and not like a deep political memoir, like I think she needs to read something like extremely normal, yes, like she needs to read like Be Ready when the Luck Happens, by Iona Garden. That would be great actually.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah, she needs to be like, she needs to appear normal. Yeah, so I'm trying to think of another. I really don't think it needs to be anything too deep. Let me look at my reading list. Really quick.
Speaker 2:Because that's obviously fake. It's so obviously fake.
Speaker 1:She needs to say like wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, I am like you. Yes, you could be like me. She needs to read Like okay.
Speaker 2:Gosh, all the memoirs I read are deep, though I know I don't read.
Speaker 1:Okay, maybe it's a celebrity memoir, but it's like a normie, like like aina garden, like we're choosing, like okay, or or. She should read the memoir of like like a bachelor nation memoir, yeah read rachel lindsey's memoir yeah, read rachel lindsey's memoir. Okay, you're just normal, yeah you're. You're just like us and you're not. This like psycho. Weird yacht girl who goes to jeff bezos wedding and sells her bathwater soap.
Speaker 2:She should read rachel lindsey's um memoir and then she should go on a podcast and talk about how much she loves watching the bachelor and it's her guilty pleasure you know she needs to go on a podcast with gabby windy. Yes, she should go on gabby's podcast and she should chat with her. Yep, I agree, yeah, yeah okay, solved.
Speaker 1:Another uh celebrity who may be in need of a little bit of a pr reboot PR reboot is Blake.
Speaker 2:Wait, before Can we talk about.
Speaker 1:Karlie Kloss yeah, yeah, that she was at the wedding. Yeah, I mean, of course she was at the wedding, you know what I would tell you.
Speaker 2:Karlie Kloss, you know how you can save yourself Pick up a copy of the Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo and get tapped reading that.
Speaker 1:No, you know what would be even better? What? Just Kids by Patti Smith?
Speaker 1:Sure, yeah, whatever Make people think that the album that was about Maddie Healy was about you. So Taylor Swift mentions lots of books and authors and stuff in her music. So, true, pick one of those, pick multiple of them, be seen reading them, and we'll distract everyone from you being married to a Kushner, we'll distract everyone from you being at Jeff Bezos' wedding, we'll distract people from Ivanka Trump being your sister-in-law, and we will then just get the Gaylors. Just give them I'm not getting like give them a tiniest spark, just a little kindling.
Speaker 2:To be clear, I do feel like they're fully insane, the Galers, but at the same time I think you should feed into them if you're Karlie Kloss, because, like your, alternative is just it's not great. And if you give them the slightest bit of ammunition to feed their insane conspiracies, they will find a way to make. They'll make the connections for you. You'll be the number one trending topic on their reddit sub and, like you, you need that at this point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you really need that. Um, you need to make yourself look like a, like a star-crossed lover of the biggest pop star in the world and you need to know the comment.
Speaker 2:While you're doing this, like you should be, it should be giving the world and you need to know the comic. While you're doing this, like you should be, it should be giving the who. Were you talking about Shawn Mendes and Camila Cabello? That pop walk, give that vibe while reading one of those books, looking a little bit down, especially if it's like immediately following Taylor being on a pop walk with Travis Kelsey. If you could do that, everyone will forget about this.
Speaker 1:And wear something similar to what she was wearing.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, yes, like the same patterned shirt or something.
Speaker 1:Tie in the same color or a similar designer or same designer or something like that, all of your problems will go away.
Speaker 2:They will respectfully, I mean you'll have new problems. And I give that same advice, possibly, I give that same advice, maybe worse ones, possibly.
Speaker 1:I give that same advice, like preemptively, like if you find yourself in a sticky PR situation. I give this advice preemptively to Diana Agron, yeah, and I also give it to Zoe Kravitz. Sure, and who else was, like, alleged to be a lover of Taylor Swift?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm not up on my Gaylor lore.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 2:Anyways, you're welcome, Carly. Feel free to come on the pod anytime Love to chat, we would love to chat. Maybe not Okay, Blake Lively.
Speaker 1:Blake Lively. What should she be reading right now?
Speaker 2:Okay, I've been thinking a lot about this since the beginning of this episode. I saw you pose this question. I think she has two paths she could take. Okay, Number one she could really go scorched earth on her husband Make it, make it his problem.
Speaker 1:Ryan Reynolds make it his issue.
Speaker 2:Yes, I couldn't remember Reynolds, ryan Reynolds, she could start reading, like you know books about, like controlling spouses, you know, escaping domestic violence situations. Is this like a good thing? No. Does this make you a good person? No, but garner up some sympathy. Be like it's not me, it's him. You know what I mean. Like he sucks. That's number one. What do you?
Speaker 1:think okay, well, I think I think she should read a feminist book, but it can't be over the top. So I don't think she should read a feminist book, but it can't be over the top. So I don't think she should be photographed reading like bell hooks or something like that. No, that's too far. Yeah, that's performative, and that's going to be obvious.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I think she needs to read Plantation. Blake Lively can't go straight to bell hooks.
Speaker 1:I think she needs to read a book like If I had your Face by Frances Cha, or Pachinko which I will get into later by Min Jin Lee. I think reading a book by a woman of color would help, I think, yeah. Or if you're going to go with a white lady, maybe even go like just a little lighter and read like a Sally Rooney book or something like that. Like show that you have range. Okay, so let's flip from this Colleen Hoover crap and like read a book about feminism for from a different perspective, and it will be like a gentle edge back into like look at me, I'm learning.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, I agree, if you wanted to go the learning route, the thing is, I actually don't really know what to do with this whole Blake Lively thing, and so part of me is like I do think she might be telling the truth and I think, like easing her way back into, like I don't think she needs to go full throttle, like you're saying, she doesn't need to really read, like she shouldn't read.
Speaker 2:If this is a, this was like 2010. Still, I would say, read, lean in and do your girl boss thing, you know, and uh, but that that era has passed and I'm like okay, there's, there's, there's nothing in filling that void. Like what's the girl? Wash your face of the today. That's not like totally stupid and ridiculed, I don't know. But whatever that is is what blake lively should be reading, or or she should be reading like you know, defending yourself in court 101 for dummies, or something. Like she should do what kim k did and pretend she's studying for the bar, like oh, pretend, yeah, and like make a few, few phone calls to get someone out of jail or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like and be like you know what this whole legal trouble has really. Or she should just be photographed on a pap walk with Amber Heard and be like look, we're the same. You guys are starting to have empathy for her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what she shouldn't do also is she should not pick anything that is like on the New York Times top 100 bestsellers right now. No absolutely not, because then people are going to be like, oh, is she trying to do another move?
Speaker 2:Yeah, she can't do that.
Speaker 1:Like you, can't change the narrative to that. This needs to be about your personal growth.
Speaker 2:And she should maybe never do that again. But don't overdo it. Yeah, no, don't overdo it.
Speaker 1:I mean to be clear, I think she should actually read bell hooks. I just don't think that she should be photographed or she should not. That's like way too performative. I don't think she's going to actually read any of these books. Yeah, no, okay, great. Well, you're welcome. That was free labor, blake Lively, and if you'd like to hear more about our ideas, follow us on Instagram at RedirectPodcast. And if you'd like to hear more about our ideas, follow us on instagram at redirect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or blue sky we're very fun guy uh, anything else you want to say about celebrity pat blogs or something?
Speaker 2:just that I don't believe any of them. I don't believe you if you're photographed with a book. I really don't.
Speaker 1:You're all fake, yeah unless you've proven to be. Oh, here's one more I think we should do. Okay, chapel Roan. Okay, chapel Roan has not, to my knowledge, been packed reading a book, but she had a rapid ascent to fame, yeah. And then she just made bad PR move after bad PR move, not listening to her experts, bad PR move after bad PR move, not listening to her experts, not like being dumb and opportunistic with politics and just like ugh, just sucking, kind of If you were her and you wanted to rebuild, if you were her PR specialist and you wanted to rehabilitate her image what would you tell her?
Speaker 2:She should read books written by queer authors of color specifically, and like even better if they're like indie and not like big name books and like she should read like roxane gay yeah, like, and she's using her celebrity to help people sell books like I genuinely think, like small authors who aren't well known. I think that's what she should do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'll curate a list for you Chapel Road but yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:I think she needs to read. Do you think nonfiction or fiction or it doesn't matter it?
Speaker 2:doesn't matter. I think fiction is good for her. Like she doesn't seem like a nonfiction reader in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, reader in my opinion yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, like just fun, it can be fun, like they can be chill books, I just think okay then not arcs and gay, because those are all really serious yeah, she should just use, like her, like books that conceivably she might actually be reading. She could become the chris pine where we're like actually I do think she's reading these books but like they're specifically uplifting authors who may not otherwise be given the opportunities of, like white, straight authors who are trad published yeah, um, what's that book I read recently?
Speaker 1:um, I was not like a super high rating for me, but it would be good for her to be papped with it and it's like decent is um stars in your eyes by case and calendar. It's about like, uh, it's a male, male, queer love story about celebrities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about, like yep, yeah, just just, I think actors speak louder than words and people are going to. I think there's like a lot of like. I think there's a reason taylor swift is never papped with books, and it's because there's so much power in that.
Speaker 1:Like she's Well. Actually, I also think it's part of the reason. It's because she actually reads.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's number one. Number two, like, I think there's a lot of power and you're like, tacitly, you're basically endorsing a book if you are photographed reading it in a lot of ways, like, and people are going to go look up a book if their favorite celebrity is pictured reading it, like that's only natural. I mean, there's a whole vogue article about it that we're reading, you know, and so I think she could use. Instead of just like, don't go on any more podcasts for a while, instead of saying anything, just like, really find some really decent authors who aren't as well known, and then you can be the the bridge up to give them the spotlight that they deserve. So that's my opinion for you, chaperone, you're welcome again. Yes, she needs that.
Speaker 1:She really does Listen to your communications professionals people.
Speaker 2:Exactly. If you were a celebrity, what is the first book you would want to be hot with?
Speaker 1:What kind of celebrity am I?
Speaker 2:Podcasts so famous that you have paparazzi following you around.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, my reading podcast is so famous.
Speaker 2:I have paparazzi, yeah, so this is your chance you have to prove that you have good taste, obviously because that your livelihood relies on it and, um like, you want people to listen to your podcast. So what is your, what is your shot?
Speaker 1:Immediately. The first thing that came to my mind and I'm so confident in this choice is Get a Life. Chloe Brown by Talia Hibbert.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great choice.
Speaker 1:It aligns with my values. Yeah, I want to promote Talia Hibbert. I want her to be, like, the most famous author in the world. So, true, I love this book and, yeah, no, that in the world. So I love this book and yeah, no, that's exactly. I would say this is what I'm about. I love that. No, I think that's everything about like my recommendations and tastes are going to come down to like. It's not like my favorite book in the whole entire world, but I think it sends the message of what I like and I would want to uplift her. What about you?
Speaker 2:oh, gosh, casey, I asked the question. I don't know the answer. I think if I want to be pretentious, I'm doing the count of monty chris, so that's off the bat. If I don't want to be pretentious, let me look at my shelves. I mean talia hebert's, great, maybe probably like happy place. That's just yeah, can't be it in.
Speaker 2:I'll bring my signed copy out for the pap walk, yeah emily henry actually addressed this to me, yeah like we're close personal friends and then maybe she would come on the pod because she'd be like, oh my gosh, you're a fan, so that she would come on. Uh, same with talia hibbert, love to have her on. Uh, if you're ever interested, talia, so that's great yeah, yeah, if this was like um what if you were okay? What if you're being papped for your political career? Ben weplick, would you want to be?
Speaker 1:yeah, I was just thinking that I think I am trying to remember. Hold on, let me Google the author really quick. I'm reading the biography of John Brown by WEB Du Bois.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I want people to know that I'm an abolitionist. Yeah, and yeah, that's alliance of my values and that's the kind of person I would be.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, that's alliance of my values and that's the kind of person I would be. Yeah, oh yeah. What about you?
Speaker 2:and your in your professional communications career. Okay, that was like my political career.
Speaker 1:What would, what would you advise yourself as a communications professional?
Speaker 2:am I in hot water or is this just for vibes?
Speaker 1:you're trying to promote your career, so what message are you going to send? That you would be a good communications professional to add to someone's team?
Speaker 2:that's like really stressful. Um, uh, you know the the ap style guide. Uh, maybe, like bird by bird, that's a good writing book oh, that is good that's a really good book. Uh, so something like on writing and lamont, yes, and lamont, I actually at one point had like three different copies of that book, so um did, miss heidi, give you one of them yes, she did she gave me one too yeah, I forget where I got the other one, but I feel like it was also a gift, like multiple people gifted it to me.
Speaker 2:Um, so, anyways, yeah, something like that maybe good stuff, um, Okay, and other book news.
Speaker 1:Two of our two books that we have both enjoyed greatly have been release dates for their movie adaptations have been announced. So People we Meet on Vacation in January 2026, which is crazy far away.
Speaker 2:It is, but okay.
Speaker 1:Also. I'm so shocked it's going to be a January movie.
Speaker 2:Didn't okay. People have been commenting, commenting this. I need to do a reread, reread. But doesn't he say something in the book like january feels like june when I'm with you, or something. Or is that from another?
Speaker 1:book. You know what hold on is this like a taylor swift style easter egg, that the next movie adaptation will be beach read, because the female main character of Beach Read is named January.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's June and January, because I'm in love. That's from Beach Read. That would be an insane style. She would yeah, that's a Beach Read quote. People have been commenting that because it says it's June and January.
Speaker 1:I bet it is at Easter Egg. So we didn't get a full trailer, we got like a teaser trailer. We got like uh, a teaser, a little teaser yeah, and I have to say, president, snow, coriolanus, snow. Uh, you're watching this. No, tom, what's his?
Speaker 2:name blithe, blithe, I don't know he is playing alex.
Speaker 1:Yeah, male main character yeah um, yeah, I'm there for it.
Speaker 2:I'd only heard his voice.
Speaker 1:I get why people have sexualized Coriolanus Snow, played by Tom Blythe, because of this, so I'm very excited.
Speaker 2:I'm really looking forward to this. I will be sad at home watching this. I wish it was getting a theatrical release. That would be the only thing that could be better. But you know what We'll live and we'll watch this on repeat. And thank you, netflix, god, for giving us this adaptation. And I think people will.
Speaker 1:You will stay getting my $15.99 a month.
Speaker 2:Okay, People we Get Up and Eat on Vacation is the same as Debut. The Taylor Swift album her first one To me, which is, I think, when. The Taylor version album her first one To me, which is that I think when the Taylor's version comes out of debut and I think when this movie comes out, people will finally put respect on the source material that they deserve, Because debut has some bangers. This book is really good and it has some haters out there and I feel like a lot of people skip it because of that. And so I feel like when this movie comes out, it's going to be like this movie comes out.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be like oh, I get it now, I get it now. So, yeah, I get it, shout out. Also, project hill mary, which we have just eagerly anticipating for so long, is finally getting its theatrical release in march of 2026, starring ryan gosling. Yes, the trailer came out it. What was your thought, initial thoughts about the trailer? It?
Speaker 2:looks so freaking good and I should have known. I should have known, yeah, because anywhere like the martian is already a successful adaptation, so that tracks. Obviously this book is hugely popular. I cannot scroll through a reddit thread of book recommendations without someone recommending this book, like no matter what the person has asked for. It's so good, it's beloved so, and Ryan Gosling is great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm. I was so excited about it too, my one, I guess. One like surprise is I was like oh, this is seems so much quirkier than the book. Yeah, it did Like it seemed like the main, like the whole, like it seemed more humorous than what I imagined it would be. There was definitely like more of a humorous kind of quirky, goofy tone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm interested in your thoughts because I've seen a lot of discourse about the trailer Because obviously it does give away Rocky's existence, who is the alien that Ryan Gosling's character befriends on his quest to do something unknown, and people are really mad about it, and so I just wanted to know what you thought about the choice to reveal that in the trailer and also to kind of reveal like I mean, they say like the sun's dying and you need to help us and you're like our only hope, kind of thing. So you get a lot of context, but what do you think about what they decided to include in the trailer that some people might think are spoilery?
Speaker 1:yeah, I kind of forgot that that wasn't. I kind of forgot like I didn't think of that. Um, I just in my memory I obviously remember Rocky. Yeah, interesting choice. But I think maybe they did it because they were going for the humorous tone, because, if not, you're just like, okay, we just have this guy up in space and this feels really similar to the Martian and we have to differentiate it a little bit. And he's like how are we going to make it humorous or funny or goofy or like childlike in any way? So that's probably why they made that choice. But also, I'm just like I still think people should read the book, like I really just truly don't think that the movie will be a replacement. No, so, yeah, people should read this book.
Speaker 2:Do you think, um, based on what you saw sorry, I'm throwing a lot to you that, uh, do you think they'll start like in a chronological way, like, will they? Do you think they'll show the you know what I'm saying, or no? How it starts in the book where you wake up and you know he's on this mission already and then he gets his memories back slowly. Do you think they'll do it more like that?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think they'll do the memory thing I think they have to to some extent because because they already gave away rocky's existence right and you have to have spoilers.
Speaker 2:Okay, so skip ahead if you don't want to hear them, but you have to have the reveal somehow. Like he can't, you, the audience shouldn't start off knowing from the beginning that this is a doomed mission and that he's not coming back. You know what I mean? Yeah, like, that to me is a like the climax kind of of the book is him remembering that? Um, so I feel like there has to be some way that they deal with the, the flashbacks. So I'm interested to see how it's structured and I think, like, honestly, if you're upset about the trailer, you should really calm down and touch grass, and I mean that with the most love in my heart, because there are just people who are never going to read the book, honestly, and you want those people to still go see the movie.
Speaker 2:I get it yeah, and you also want to show like to me. As a person who has read this book more than once, I'm like, hey, this is awesome, like this is so cool. I had no idea how they were gonna, how the space stuff was gonna look and how the other spaceship would look, and and you getting to see like even a fleeting glimpse of it is like really reassuring as someone who loves the book.
Speaker 1:So I think, just calm down a little bit yeah let's all calm down we don't need to discourse everything.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, truly okay. I'm so excited for this, though I will me too.
Speaker 1:I I'm just sad that it's gonna take so long.
Speaker 2:I feel like I've already been waiting so long, but yeah, but it's like time flies the edits are already popping off on tiktok from the, from the one minute trailer, so I'm really ready for this this is a great role for ryan uh, ryan gosling.
Speaker 1:He made it like he's taking the right roles. This is perfect for him, so good.
Speaker 2:Because you know why, he is possibly the most charismatic and charming, one of the most charismatic and charming actors out there. Yeah, and if anyone can carry a lot of time just by yourself on screen, I think it's him. Yeah, totally. So I think he's a great choice and he made a good choice.
Speaker 1:So yeah, very excited. Okay, stop what have you? Okay, or have I read recently?
Speaker 2:should I go first, since yours is probably really good and mine is mid? Yes, okay, okay, I just have to talk about this book. If you follow me on instagram, you've already saw some of my thoughts. Um, okay, but it's called rules for second chances by maggie north, and the main character of this book is ambiguously neurodivergent. You get that from the beginning, okay, okay, she is married. She's been married for a long time with to her husband. His name is tobin. He's like scandinavian of some type.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, he's like a big brawny guy, long, luscious hair, um, very, very charming, very charismatic life of the party. She's just not that at all. But they met because they both work in the like, wilderness, adventure tourism space and so they met leading tour groups in this in like, canada or whatever they live. But their marriage is not in a good space, it's not going very well. It all kind of comes to a head at the very beginning of this book when she is at her 30th birthday party and everyone there is Tobin's friends, basically, and his co-workers, and like she doesn't have any really friends of her own and like Tobin's family who play a very big, difficult role in their marriage.
Speaker 2:They're there and one of his friends friends like mistakes her for a server and she snaps because she's like I, this is my birthday party, not the server, and she just has this like feeling of being invisible and like no one sees her in her life and, um, my like her husband doesn't see her, her family, her sister. She has a really rocky relationship with her at work. She's constantly being passed over for promotions because of like her struggles to like maybe connect with people in a normal neurotypical way and so she snaps, she moves out and she's like I need space from you. I am gonna like I need to become my own person. Basically, this is where it almost lost me. She decides to pursue improv oh dear and simultaneously comma.
Speaker 2:she uh tobin, approaches her because her improv instructor is his really good friend, who's also like a award winning certified relationship coach or whatever, or like psychologist who is writing a book on how to use improv to heal your relationships. Okay, so I was like this is going to be stupid.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, but you kept going, I kept going.
Speaker 2:And it actually wasn't stupid, like the improv part was not dumb. She's like okay, I'll do this book with you. I'm not moving back in, we have these ground rules, but we'll go through the book and we'll try it. Like, whatever, this is my Hail Mary, and if it doesn't work, we're done. We're getting divorced. It's all about. It's all about Liz's journey. It's not really about her husband like being a bad person, because he's really not. He like has done they have like some bad habits. He's like not very good at opening up and he like tries to pretend everything's fine all the time. But like, as she changes through this book she is also able to see like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I feel like, uh, divorce is like a hard thing to write about and like people falling back in love because you're like okay, well, what actually broke you as a part in the first place? And then how are we going to fix that in the course of a book? But I liked that this was really focused on Liz's journey and like figuring out her own possible diagnosis of what's her neurodivergent about her and coming into herself. I gave this a bad review, though. Oh, not bad. I took away points because the epilogue legit, which you guys know. I'm anti epilogue, I hate epilogues. I want them to be abolished for the most part, or they should be like a license, like you need to apply to get permission to use an epilogue. But in the epilogue it literally opens with her screaming in pain during childbirth.
Speaker 1:Let me actually read this excerpt to you. I don't think people actually need to read this book anymore, because I think you've told them every single thing I know.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. It's not even a recommendation, I just wanted to talk about it. Okay, this is the epilogue. Ah, this is the worst. Ah Tobin. Liquid pain in liquid pain. Liquid pain, liquid pain. I scream at the four worst swears I know back to back. I'm here, You're doing great Keep going no, I can't.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, okay, I don't need to keep going.
Speaker 2:Anyways, that is a bummer, because the rest of the book was genuinely so good and really moving and funny. And then you get to the epilogue. So anyways, let's abolish epilogues. And then you get to the epilogue so anyways, let's abolish epilogues. I hate them. So thank you.
Speaker 1:That's it. That's a really strong opinion of yours. I am team epilogue. I know that's fair, but I don't. I will agree that I think being like epilogue Someone did the most important thing they could do in the world Having a kid is like annoying. Come on, we're erasing all the progress they made in the book, like Exactly, but that wasn't all building to them having a kid, the whole thing was building them having a happy life.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, because if it was, there are books where that might make sense, where having a kid might have been a really important part of like what they wanted for their life, or like, yeah, it might be. This was not that they barely mentioned like wanting to have kids one day, like it was an offhanded comment. So like that's not where it needs to start. I don't know. Anyways, I don't like it. Yeah, it's not connected. Everything else is just yes oh my god, it's like yeah okay, great, and anyone can have a kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literally it's not like it doesn't mean anything and it doesn't actually show me it's not connected to the meaning of the book. Yes, exactly so thank you, um, but I did like it, so I you know. Whatever, I just told you the whole plot, but I think that it was really interesting that the I never thought a book about improv would be as enjoyable as it actually ended up being so thank you.
Speaker 1:You're like my dad. My dad will be like have you guys ever watched dateline? Uh, there's an episode of dateline. Then he'll go through every single scene, yeah, of the episode of dateline. Then he'll be like you should really watch it.
Speaker 2:I'm like I feel like I already did, like I did man anyway, okay, I have two books to share, please do.
Speaker 1:One was my book club book and I was the only one who really liked it. Cool, but I did like it and so I guess I'm just providing that context that, like some, like most of the other people didn't. But it's called Our Wives Under the Sea by Julia Armfield. It's not very long and it is literary fiction, slash horror, but horror not in a gory way, horror more in like a yellow face type way.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Like suspense Kind of it's like kind of this sense of foreboding, like you don't know what's going on and like it's there's not a lot of comfort and there's not a lot of resolution. So if you have to have resolution and clarity, then this isn't for you. But if you like exploring themes of, like, magical realism, grief and like, uh, yeah, it's a book about grief, honestly, uh, and so in this book, the main character okay, also, this is a stream of consciousness book, so if you hate that, so these are all the things that my my peers did not enjoy.
Speaker 2:You have to give trigger warnings for those things.
Speaker 1:That's yeah, it is stream of consciousness, so there's a lot of in this, but to me, my defense of this is that was part of what made it horror. Yeah, is it's unsettling? The stream of consciousness is unsettling, it's intentional. So, uh, the main character, what's?
Speaker 2:I don't one day I'm gonna make a super cut of every time we have to google the main character's names in our episodes okay, mary, okay, mary's wife leah, uh, is like a.
Speaker 1:Um, what do you call people who go in submarines like submariner, oceanographer, marine biologist? Sure? Sure, sure uh submariner and she goes off on a mission and it's supposed to be like a week and it is not. It is much longer. She's not given a lot of information about what happened and when she comes back she like she's gone for several months. So she ends up coming back on land and having to stay in a center and be like quarantined. And now something is wrong with leah.
Speaker 2:That's horrifying.
Speaker 1:We don't like. Things are not right and she is not doing well, and this is part of kind of like the surreal. Surrealism of the book is that she's kind of like it is she turning into a sea creature. She's spending a lot of time in the bathroom with the bath on and drinking salt water and we don't really know and guess what you don't get to know and intersplice throughout the book are short POVs from Leah's point of view when she was under the sea. Okay, I thought it was good. It really made me think.
Speaker 1:But again, like you are not going to get resolution, if that is what you seek, then do not read this book. This is more of a book that asks you a question, that tells you an answer. So if that sounds appealing to you, I'd read it. If this book was 400 pages I would hate it, but it was like 250 pages, so it felt like it was the length that needed to be. And then I also finally, like 10 years late, read pachinko by min jin lee, which was a life-changing book.
Speaker 1:It was truly. Have you ever read it? No, oh, I really think you should. Okay, it's kind of like what you were describing about east of eden, where it's recovered. It's just generation to generation, thinking through, like, the choices of the older generation and how that impacts the people younger than them.
Speaker 1:I was so ignorant to the the japanese occupation of korea, didn't know that. Learned so much about history, learned so much, um, about, uh, like what it was like in japan and korea during world, during and after world war ii and um, just, it isn't a book about the suffering of women, unfortunately, um, but but just so thought-provoking. I mean, it's told in third person, but you get so many different points of view from many different characters and I feel like any of the characters, even the smallest, shortest, briefest characters you could have a whole book written about them. The character development is truly unlike anything I've ever read. It is so good. So I highly, highly, highly recommend. Obviously, this is not a hot take. It's like an award-winning book and it's extremely famous and there's an Apple TV show about it. So it's not like breaking news, but I'm so glad I finally read it and it wasn't just like, oh, I missed the boat. It's really good and everyone should read it.
Speaker 2:It's available now on Libby, so I just got it and I'll try to read it. I'm really doing great with my TBR challenge.
Speaker 1:And if you do, the audiobook is available on Spotify too, if you do both at the same time and it's narrated by Sandra oh Nice. So it took a really good performance of an audiobook narration.
Speaker 2:Wow, what an episode.
Speaker 1:What an episode. What an episode. By the way, how is your summer reading challenge going?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, the reason I read that mid-book I just told you guys about is because I'm currently reading the Rose Code, which is on my summer reading challenge, and it's really good. You would definitely like it. I know that for a fact.
Speaker 1:It's about women codebreakers this is the one that ali yeah, she's bullying me into reading um.
Speaker 2:It's really. I actually know you would like it. It hooked me from the first page, but it's very like there's a lot happening because it is about world war ii and it follows these three women and um. The very first opening scene, you know, one of the women is in an insane asylum and is claiming to be innocent of something, and the other two, who used to be very close, now like hate each other or don't talk anymore. But you don't know like who's who, because it doesn't use names. And then you get the three women's story.
Speaker 2:So it's like you don't really know who's who's what happened um so it's got like okay, ali, I see you, yeah, flashbacks and stuff, and so anyways, it's really good. It's just I picked up that other like stupid light available now romance book, because I'm like I need something to cleanse me because it's very like yeah that's honestly how I felt after pachinko.
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, maybe, okay, maybe I need to take a, like I need to read something brain dead. Yeah, and then I can go back. Unfortunately, though, I did pick a book that I'm reading right now. That is really good, but it is also heavy, so I'm definitely going to need a break, but I'll update you next episode when.
Speaker 2:I'm done with that one, I get it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I'm doing okay, alright. Alright, we'll see you guys next time. We'll see you later, bye.