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1715 Treasure Coast Financial Wellness with Thomas Davies
Medicare Coverage Gaps: What Treasure Coast Retirees Must Know
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You know, you could spend um thirty years diligently building a five million dollar portfolio.
SPEAKER_01Oh, easily, doing everything right.
SPEAKER_00Right. Surviving bear markets, inflation, just doing everything perfectly.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Only to have a hidden leak quietly drain it all the moment you retire.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I think the craziest part is that it is completely legal. I mean, people spend decades hyper focused on building wealth, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the accumulation phase.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. But then they entirely ignore the biggest systemic threat to keeping that wealth.
SPEAKER_00So welcome to the deep dive. Our mission today is to, well, pull back the curtain on Medicare's four biggest coverage gaps.
SPEAKER_01And how people actually plan around them.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. We want to look at how high net worth retirees build a structural fortress around those gaps. We're getting our insights today from a really comprehensive guide put together by Davies Wealth Management.
SPEAKER_01They're a fee-based fiduciary advisory firm out of Stewart, Florida, right?
SPEAKER_00Yep, Stuart, Florida. And this research was designed specifically for their 1715 Treasure Coast Financial Wellness Podcast.
SPEAKER_01So the critical shift we have to make right away is just redefining what Medicare actually is for the listener.
SPEAKER_00Right, because for most people it's just a given.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. If you're a mass market retiree living mostly on Social Security, maybe a modest pension Medicare is basically just a healthcare checkbox. You turn 65, you sign up, and you're good.
SPEAKER_00But the Davies Guide is focusing on a different group.
SPEAKER_01Right. They focus on folks with, say, $1.5 to $8 million in investable assets, which is a huge demographic along Florida's treasure coast. Definitely. For that demographic, Medicare is not simply a healthcare issue. It is a highly complex wealth management problem.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell Okay, let's unpack this because the first major blind spot comes from uh just a fundamental misunderstanding of Medicare's math.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Powell The 80-20 split.
SPEAKER_00Yes. We grew up hearing standard Medicare Part B covers roughly 80% of approved costs. Which sounds fantastic, right? An 80% discount feels really reassuring.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Ross Powell It sounds like great coverage until you get a chronic, highly expensive diagnosis.
SPEAKER_00Right. It's the 80-20 illusion. Because the trap here is that the remaining 20% has absolutely zero out-of-pocket maximum.
SPEAKER_01None at all.
SPEAKER_00It's like buying a premium insurance policy for a sports car, only to find out the engine isn't covered if you crash it.
SPEAKER_01That's a perfect way to put it.
SPEAKER_00Wait, so just to be clear, if a retiree needs a long cancer treatment or like a major cardiac surgery, they are on the hook for 20% of the total cost forever.
SPEAKER_01Yes. There is no cap. If the treatment is half a million dollars, you owe $100,000 in cash. Wow. And that uncapped liability doesn't even stop at Part B. Part A, which handles your hospital stays, has a mechanism that is, well, frankly, it's designed to catch people off guard.
SPEAKER_00How so?
SPEAKER_01In 2026, the standard Part A deductible is $1,632.
SPEAKER_00I mean, for a retiree with a $3 million net worth, a $1,632 bill is annoying, but it's hardly going to bankrupt them.
SPEAKER_01Uh, but that's because of how Medicare redefines the word deductible. In normal corporate insurance, you pay your deductible once a calendar year. Right. Medicare Part A applies that $1,632 deductible per benefit period.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell Wait, per benefit period? What does that mean?
SPEAKER_01It means a benefit period begins the day you enter the hospital as an inpatient. And it only ends when you have been completely out of inpatient care for 60 consecutive days.
SPEAKER_00Hold on. So if I'm hospitalized in January for a heart issue, pay this $1,632, recover, go home.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But then I have a completely unrelated emergency, like I break my hip in June, I legally have to pay that full deductible again.
SPEAKER_01You do. You could easily pay it three or four times in a single bad year. It really compounds your out-of-pocket exposure alongside that uncapped 20%.
SPEAKER_00That completely changes the math. So how do affluent Treasure Coast retirees actually plug this hole?
SPEAKER_01They use a Medigap policy, which is a Medicare supplement. Specifically, they use Medigap Plan G.
SPEAKER_00Okay. And mechanically, how does plan G work?
SPEAKER_01Mechanically, it absorbs that uncapped 20% liability from Part B, and it covers all those recurring hospital deductibles from Part A.
SPEAKER_00So it's left to pay.
SPEAKER_01After you pay your monthly premium to the insurance company, your only out-of-pocket medical expense is the Part B annual deductible, which is just $257 in 2026.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell That's a huge relief. But the Davies Guide emphasizes you can't just wait until you get sick to buy this, right?
SPEAKER_01Oh, definitely not. There is a very strict six-month guaranteed issue window.
SPEAKER_00When does that start?
SPEAKER_01It strictly begins the month you turn 65 and enroll in part B. During those exact six months, insurance companies cannot use medical underwriting.
SPEAKER_00Meaning they can't deny you.
SPEAKER_01Right. They have to sell you the policy at the best possible rate, even if you are actively going through chemotherapy.
SPEAKER_00And if someone misses that window, or they just didn't realize it was important.
SPEAKER_01Then the leverage totally flips to the insurance company. They can dig through your records, charge astronomical premiums, or just flat out refuse to cover you.
SPEAKER_00Wow.
SPEAKER_01Plus, there's a pricing quirk specific to Florida called the attained age pricing model.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I saw that in the source material. Explain how that works because it sounds incredibly punitive.
SPEAKER_01It really can be. With attained age, your monthly premium is tied strictly to your current age. So every single year you get older, your premium automatically goes up.
SPEAKER_00Regardless of health.
SPEAKER_01Completely regardless of health or general inflation. A policy that looks cheap at 65 can become prohibitively expensive by 85.
SPEAKER_00So it's not just about finding the cheapest rate at 65.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. The fiduciary strategy is selecting a carrier with massive financial reserves and a history of very low rate increases.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So Medigap Plan G basically saves you while you're in the hospital or seeing doctors. But what happens when the hospital discharges you?
SPEAKER_01Right. You're stable enough to leave, but you still can't physically dress or feed yourself at home.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Ross Powell Which moves us right into the second major gap. And honestly, this seems like the biggest wealth killer.
SPEAKER_01It is where the most catastrophic wealth destruction actually happens.
SPEAKER_00The numbers are staggering.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Medicare pays basically nothing for long-term custodial care.
SPEAKER_01Right. They cover up to a hundred days of skilled nursing, but only after a qualifying hospital stay.
SPEAKER_00And skilled nursing is very different from custodial care.
SPEAKER_01Vastly different. Skilled nursing is medical intervention like Ivy antibiotics after a stroke. Custodial care is just assistance with daily living, bathing, using the bathroom, getting out of bed.
SPEAKER_00And Medicare covers zero of that. Meanwhile, private nursing facilities in Florida are over $100,000 annually.
SPEAKER_01And memory care runs $120,000 to $150,000 a year minimum.
SPEAKER_00Which is terrifying.
SPEAKER_01What's fascinating here is that for a married couple, if both eventually need care for just a few years, costs can easily exceed half a million to a million dollars.
SPEAKER_00A million dollars in cash.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00But looking at the solutions the guide offers, I do want to push back on one thing. They recommend a hybrid life and long-term care policy for high net worth folks.
SPEAKER_01Yep. It's highly utilized on the Treasure Coast.
SPEAKER_00Right. You take a lump sum, say $500,000, and reposition it from a CD into this hybrid policy. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01Which creates a leverage benefit pool for long-term care. And if you never need pair, it pays a tax-free death benefit to your heirs.
SPEAKER_00Okay, but let's be realistic. If a retiree has $5 million, why lock up $500,000 in a complex uh insurance product?
SPEAKER_01You're thinking they should just self-fund.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Wouldn't a savvy investor just keep that money in the S P 500, earn a historical 8 to 10%, and just write a check to the nursing home from their market gains.
SPEAKER_01We hear that objection all the time. On a spreadsheet, it makes perfect sense. But it completely ignores sequence of returns risk.
SPEAKER_00Meaning bad market timing.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Imagine you decide to self-fund. You leave your money aggressively in the market. Then the exact year you need to enter a memory care facility at $150,000 a year, the stock market drops 30%.
SPEAKER_00Oh, right. So I'm being forced to sell assets at a massive loss just to cover the facility bill.
SPEAKER_01Precisely. You permanently lock in those losses. It drains your portfolio way faster than your optimistic projections accounted for.
SPEAKER_00It makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_01The hybrid policy is basically a non-correlated asset. The leverage is contractually guaranteed. You put in $500,000, they might guarantee a million-dollar care pool immediately. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_00You don't have to wait 15 years for the market to double your money. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01Right. And the benefits are tax-free, whereas liquidating market assets triggers capital gains taxes. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_00It's defensive architecture.
SPEAKER_01Trevor Burrus, Exactly. Now the guide does note that for the ultra-high net worth, say five to ten million in assets dedicated self-insurance is an option.
SPEAKER_00Trevor Burrus Just setting a million dollars aside.
SPEAKER_01Trevor Burrus Yes. But it requires immense discipline. They literally segregate those funds into conservative, liquid instruments so it's not subject to market volatility.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell But either way, the timeline matters. You have to plan this in your late 50s or early 60s, well before Medicare eligibility.
SPEAKER_01Trevor Burrus If you wait until you're 65, your health might already disqualify you. Aaron Powell Okay.
SPEAKER_00So GAF two is about protecting the assets you have. GAP three is completely different. This is where the income you generate in retirement is actually weaponized against you. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01You're talking about IRMAA, the income-related monthly adjustment amount.
SPEAKER_00Here's where it gets really interesting. It's like a financial boomerang. Standard Medicare premiums are just a baseline, right?
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00If you're a married couple in 2026 and your modified adjusted gross income, your MGI crosses $212,000. Medicare slaps you with heavy surcharges.
SPEAKER_01On both parts, B and D.
SPEAKER_00And if you hit the top tier, meaning a Mad GI over $750,000, you're paying over $10,000 extra per year for the exact same medical coverage.
SPEAKER_01And the way MadGI is calculated catches so many successful people off guard.
SPEAKER_00Because it's not just social security, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. It includes required minimum distributions from traditional IRAs, capital gains from selling property, even the supposedly tax-free interest from municipal bonds.
SPEAKER_00But the boomerang part, the tricky part is the two-year look back rule.
SPEAKER_01That's the kicker.
SPEAKER_00If I'm paying my Medicare premiums in 2026, Medicare isn't looking at my 2026 income. They are looking at the tax return I filed for 2024.
SPEAKER_01Because of IRS processing delays, two years ago is the most complete data they have.
SPEAKER_00So a big Roth conversion or business sale I make today dictates my healthcare bills two years from now.
SPEAKER_01If we connect this to the bigger picture, this is exactly how fiduciaries manage that exposure.
SPEAKER_00How do they do that? Because wouldn't a Roth conversion trigger the IRMAA penalty anyway?
SPEAKER_01It can if you do it blindly. That's why they use Roth conversion laddering. They don't convert a million dollars all at once.
SPEAKER_00They stretch it out?
SPEAKER_01Yes. They calculate exactly how much room you have in your current IRMAA bracket. Say they determine you can convert exactly $42,500 this year without tipping into the next surcharge tier.
SPEAKER_00Oh wow.
SPEAKER_01They do that exact amount, slowly draining the traditional IRA over a multi-year ladder. This shrinks the future RMDs that would force them into maximum penalties in their 80s.
SPEAKER_00That's incredibly precise. The guide also mentions QCD's qualified charitable distributions, up to $105,000 at age 70 and a half.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Ross Powell Right, because that money goes straight from your IRA to a charity. It satisfies your RMD, but never touches your bank account.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell So it lowers your MGI.
SPEAKER_01Completely invisible to the IRMA calculation.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Ross Powell Let me ask you this though. What if the income spite wasn't a strategic move? What if I retired late, so I had a massive executive salary in 2024, but now in 2026 I'm on a fixed income.
SPEAKER_01And Medicare is still hitting you with surcharges based on your old salary.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. Am I just stuck paying that penalty?
SPEAKER_01Aaron Powell Not at all. There's a little known IRS form called SSA 44. It allows you to formally appeal an IRMAA surcharge if you've had a life-changing event.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell And retiring counts as a life-changing event.
SPEAKER_01Trevor Burrus Retiring, getting divorced, the death of a spouse, they all qualify. You file the form, prove your new lower income, and they waive the two-year look back.
SPEAKER_00That is fantastic. Okay, so we've covered hospital bills, nursing homes, and tax surcharges. Let's shift to gap four, the invisible gaps.
SPEAKER_01The daily annoyances, routine care.
SPEAKER_00Right. Standard Medicare covers almost no dental vision or hearing. The guide says retirees spend $1,500 to $3,000 annually out of pocket for this. Hearing aids alone can be $7,000 a pair.
SPEAKER_01It's a huge out-of-pocket shock for new retirees.
SPEAKER_00But I have to ask, why wouldn't these affluent retirees just use a Medicare Advantage plan? We see the commercials all the time, throwing in dental envision for free.
SPEAKER_01It comes down to a critical trade-off network restrictions.
SPEAKER_00Ah, HMOs and PPOs.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. High net worth retirees on the Treasure Coast want access to the absolute top specialists in Stewart or Jupiter Island or Mayo Clinic.
SPEAKER_00And Medicare Advantage often restricts that.
SPEAKER_01Heavily. You have prior authorizations, gatekeepers, out-of-network denials. If you have $3 million, you do not want an insurance company dictating your cancer treatment.
SPEAKER_00So they opt for traditional Medicare for the freedom.
SPEAKER_01Yes, unfettered access. And to cover the routine stuff, they just buy standalone dental and vision plans. It's maybe $30 to $80 a month, but it preserves their freedom of choice.
SPEAKER_00Aaron Powell Okay, so what does this all mean for you, the listener? How does it all snap together? Walk me through the Davies Wealth Management Case Study, the $3.2 million retired executive couple in Stuart.
SPEAKER_01Sure. It's a fully coordinated plan. First, at 65, they take parts A and B for nationwide provider control. Then during that six-month window, they get Medigap Plan G to close Gap One, the hospital deductibles, and 20% liability, plus a standalone part D for drugs.
SPEAKER_00And for long-term care. Gap two?
SPEAKER_01They reposition an old $600,000 CD into a hybrid LTC policy that walls off the core portfolio from nursing home costs.
SPEAKER_00What about IRMA?
SPEAKER_01They do Roth conversions from 65 to 72 to manage future IRMAA. Once they hit 70 and a half, they start doing QCDs to keep their MGI down.
SPEAKER_00And finally, standalone dental and hearing plans for gap four.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. It's a cohesive strategy.
SPEAKER_00The main lesson here is that Medicare planning isn't just an insurance decision, it is the intersection of tax strategy, cash flow management, and estate planning.
SPEAKER_01And handling these gaps incorrectly can easily erode decades of discipline saving. That's why coordinating with a fee-based fiduciary is just so vital.
SPEAKER_00Completely agree. And we'll leave you, the listener, with a final lingering thought to ponder on your own.
SPEAKER_01It's a big one.
SPEAKER_00Because of Medicare's two year IRMAA look back, the financial decisions you made in 2024 are already writing your 2026 healthcare bills. If you look at the wealth building moves you are making today, what future healthcare reality are you accidentally writing for yourself?
SPEAKER_01Really makes you stop and think.
SPEAKER_00It does. Thanks for joining us, and we'll catch you next time on the deep dive.