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Exploring the Mysteries of the Human Psyche: Mandela Effect, Synesthesia and More -- The Boys Chat #40
Prepare to have your mind blown as we journey through some truly captivating psychological phenomena. Ever misremembered a fact so strongly that you were sure it was the truth? That's what we're exploring first in our deep dive into the Mandela effect. Named after Nelson Mandela, this collective false memory phenomenon has had us all questioning our recollections. We'll take a look at well-known examples such as the widespread misquoting of a line from Star Wars Episode V and the confusion over the spelling of the Berenstain Bears.
Moving ahead, we pull back the veil on Synesthesia, a fascinating neurological condition where senses mix to create a unique perception of the world. We'll get into the specifics, discussing grapheme-color Synesthesia, chromesthesia, spatial sequence Synesthesia, number form Synesthesia, and emotion-color Synesthesia. We'll also draw links to the Mandela effect and color theory, and explore the psychological connections that underpin these phenomena.
In the final part of our exploration, we tackle the placebo effect, the bystander effect, and the Tetris effect. From the power of the mind to convince us of a reality that doesn't exist to the disturbing apathy demonstrated by groups during crises, we'll delve into the sometimes unsettling inner workings of the human psyche. We'll also discuss how even the simplest games can have a profound impact on our minds and behavior. So, buckle up and get ready for a wild ride through the labyrinth of the human mind. No matter who you are, this episode is sure to leave you both enlightened and entertained.
All right, welcome back everyone. Welcome back to the boys chat. You got Darren, Colby and Tanner with you. Welcome back, Darren.
Speaker 2:Thank you very much From your summer in hell.
Speaker 1:I mean Albuquerque.
Speaker 2:Yep, you got to write the first time.
Speaker 1:Any fun facts you want to report back with us? Anything crazy happened. You pregnant.
Speaker 2:I am, it's just food Care is not Fun facts. Albuquerque is the land of enchantment, new Mexico is the. Chile, capital of the world. Oh and did you make these up? No, those are real things like all the license plates, they like the land of enchantment.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see like meth heads, like running across the freeway and everything you just like, if you see something you can't explain.
Speaker 2:it's just land of enchantment, it's a good point.
Speaker 1:Leave it there, all right? Well, welcome back Today. We're going to get right into it. Today we are talking about psychology facts.
Speaker 3:You struggled on that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say psychological things, but I'm like psychological is the wrong word Psychology facts. I don't know if you call them facts or just phenomena, phenom, phenomena.
Speaker 2:Phenomenons Phenomenon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're going to go over different psychological phenomena. First up, I think everyone has heard of this. It kind of comes and goes. I see memes about it. It's the Mandela effect and, yes, it gets its name from Nelson Mandela. Hmm, because everyone is confused on how he died. That's where that's where it came from, was people think he died in jail, but really he was let go and became the president of South Africa.
Speaker 3:So I was wondering if, like he invented, like invented it, like founded it, or something.
Speaker 1:But no, that's just as cool.
Speaker 2:It was just so basically the the effect is that people misunderstand or like misremember a certain historical thing, Not even necessarily historical just anything.
Speaker 1:So it's collective false memory, so it's when a large amount of people recall a certain event or object or anything. But it's wrong, ok.
Speaker 2:And it's so. At what point does it become the Mandela effect? It's not just you're losing it, Grandpa Joe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when it. Well, I mean if you're losing it. It's called Alzheimer's, but Blueberries man. But it's not just like oh, you're old, it's like a cultural thing, it's a, it's a wide amount of people that remember something a certain way. The psychological explanation is the phenomenon is attributed to cognitive biases, suggestion and the filibidity of human memory.
Speaker 3:That's a big word.
Speaker 1:I didn't, I butchered that. But so some popular examples. Right, nelson Mandela, whether or not he passed away in prison or after which we know that he did not. Right Another one is the Bernstein bears, you know, those children's books where it's like yeah the bears. Everyone thinks it's Bernstein or Stein, Right the way, the way it's spelled. So it's, you know. B E R E and S T A I N which most people think the very end of it is S T E I N so steam instead of more like a stain. Bernstein bears.
Speaker 3:Is it a Bernstein bears? I totally thought it was, so that's a big same here.
Speaker 1:I thought it was Bernstein bears the longest time. I don't know if you've already read through the list.
Speaker 2:What do you call the peanut butter brand Jiffy?
Speaker 1:Jiffy.
Speaker 2:Jiffy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's Jiff, oh yeah, it's never been Jiffy, that's right, I call it. I call it Jiffy, I guess it's Skippy.
Speaker 3:I always like cross.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's probably more probably where it came from. I think it just crosses, or the next one is Fruit Loops.
Speaker 1:How is Fruit Loops spelled? I literally had this mistake the other day at work.
Speaker 2:I try to look up for our.
Speaker 1:OOT. Yeah, not fruit like as an apples of fruit, it's fruit, as in the same way you spell loops.
Speaker 2:I just thought of it like in a marketing thing. He just puts the rain different there.
Speaker 1:And then Disney, snow White. It's mirror. Mirror on the wall, not magic mirror on the wall, which a lot of people think it is.
Speaker 3:See, I thought it was like the witch comes up.
Speaker 1:Magic mirror on the wall. Who's the fairest of them? All know it's mirror, mirror on the wall. I guess that's a big one. I don't think I ever thought that, because they did like a.
Speaker 2:Snow White movie, or I thought it was magic mirror, but I always said it mirror, mirror and I always never mind.
Speaker 1:I got that mistaken. It is magic mirror, it's not.
Speaker 2:So we are wrong.
Speaker 1:I read my notes wrong. I didn't read far enough down. No, it's mistaken as mirror, but it's actually magic mirror. Another one that makes sense is from Star Wars, episode five, where it's not Luke, I am your father. It's the actual line is no, I'm your father.
Speaker 3:Is it really Uh-huh?
Speaker 1:I literally was, because it's like you know like, oh, did Obi-Wan tell you what happened to you? Or he's like, oh, he told me you killed him, you know. And he's like, no, I am your father. Oh, and did you know that the only people that knew that were George Lucas, james Earl Jones, who voiced Darth Vader, and I think one other producer or scriptwriter. And then later they told Mark Hamill, who played Luke, and he didn't tell any of his castmates. So when they saw it in the theaters of the premiere, harrison Ford turns to him and is like dude, why, why didn't you tell me?
Speaker 1:You know, it's like because they told him, like don't let Carrie Fisher know, right, because she tended to blab things.
Speaker 3:So the line that yeah.
Speaker 1:And so the line that David Prowse, who wore the suit of Darth Vader, said because he gave all the lines out, right, so the actors could say back same with Peter Mayhew's and Chewbacca he actually. And he was he was British.
Speaker 1:And so you would hear just random crap coming from Chewbacca, like in a British voice, and then it's like that doesn't look right. But David Prowse's line was no, obi-wan killed your father. So then the reaction of Luke oh no, no, it's not true, it's not possible. You know, is it makes sense for both? But it's no, I'm your father. So I went a little deep there in the nerdiness of Star Wars. I apologize.
Speaker 2:So Darth Vader wearing the costume and the voice aren't the same people?
Speaker 1:Different people yeah. Which it doesn't matter, because the helmet's always on, yeah, except at the very end, at the very end, which is funny because David Prowse didn't get to play that. Didn't play that guy.
Speaker 1:They actually had a different guy play when the helmet came off and David upset because David Prowse was a bodybuilder and I watched the whole documentary about him and he was like Frankenstein's monster in an old Frankenstein movie. He was always like a monster in Hollywood because he was big. He was very large and stature and so he played a good monster. But he always had a mask on and so the one time he was going to be able to show his face, they cut him out and use a different guy.
Speaker 3:Tough, yeah. That's why you don't work in Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's my main point.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, this is the moneymaker.
Speaker 1:I'm bad enough to admit it Exactly. All right, we'll hit one more in the Mandel effect. Does curious George have a tail?
Speaker 3:No, Does he think about it? I didn't think he did, but does he? He should? Theoretically he should, but I don't remember him having a do you remember ever hanging from? Something, is he?
Speaker 2:holding onto his foot, or is it the tail?
Speaker 3:I don't think he ever had a tail.
Speaker 2:I don't think, so Does he?
Speaker 1:know he doesn't have a tail. Wrong kind of monkey, he's more of like a chimp.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And chimps don't really have, oh yeah, a big tail. If anything at all, they're going to be looking like a gorilla, a chimpanzee. They still want to get a monkey someday.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I want to go to parent a monkey with you.
Speaker 1:I don't think you can have one in Utah, though you have a permit for it. Yeah, but I think you got to jump through a lot of hoops. There are certain animals that you're not allowed to have in certain states. He's dude, my dad. I love to go to a.
Speaker 2:Picket Charlie yeah, like two years back for us. He like he had never played lacrosse before, had seen it on TV bought himself a lacrosse stick and then like showed up to tryouts or like showed up to practice one day and then he became our face off dude because he like played hockey and like wrestled and everything.
Speaker 1:So good Makes sense.
Speaker 2:He'd like be sitting there waiting for the face off and then he'd like look up at his dude and go, you know, and then like clamp, that's funny.
Speaker 3:That's funny. Yeah, all right, all right.
Speaker 2:Let's move on to the next one.
Speaker 1:This next one, I don't know how to pronounce correctly it's synethesia.
Speaker 3:So that's not right, synethesia, it's right there, can you say that word, seneathe, I can't speak either. Synthesia there we go. We'll go with that, all right.
Speaker 1:This is a neurological phenomenon where stimulation of one sensory or cognitive pathway leads to involuntary experiences in another one. Now, the best way to explain it is ratatouille, when Remy eats the strawberry and the cheese and he sees the colors. That's ultimately what this, this, is, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And there's. There's more to it than just with food, where people eat food and they see colors. Sometimes it's they hear a song and they see colors, or they smell something and they see colors, like, oh, this smell is this color. Or this song is blue, this song is yellow, and I don't like what like subject in school is like.
Speaker 3:What color Like do you?
Speaker 1:Notebook Kinda, yeah, kinda, where you you associate a color or something with something else. All right it is. It's not just taste, smell or whatever with a color it could be. I made a check, she's a bunch of people.
Speaker 2:As colors, as colors, uh huh. I mean, personally I don't see color, so not me.
Speaker 3:But I mean, I think you see color. I just don't think you see color. I don't think you're on trippin, on acid or LSD. I don't hear like that. I don't hear color.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, what it's related to, yeah, so some examples of this are graphamy, color synthenesia, where it's letters or numbers are perceived as having specific colors, so someone might think the letter A is red right In these particular people's brains. Another one is chrome Sophia, which is music or sound, evokes color and they might see a certain color when a certain notice plate right. You get high C and you you just see yellow or something like that. There's spatial sequence synthenesia. I apologize, I'm butchering that. I think that's the right one Synthenesia.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe All right when sequences such as numbers, days of the week or months of the year are perceived as having specific spatial locations or orientations. For instance, the months may be laid out in a mental space around the individual. I don't understand that one so. I well, actually I can kind of understand it. Maybe it's like the beginning of the year technically is January, but I've done it before where I see the beginning of the school year kind of marks like a new year, yeah, like August.
Speaker 1:September is like oh, it's back into a new school year, so it's like new classes, new teachers, and then it kind of goes through that way.
Speaker 3:I, maybe that makes sense and I think the other thing is like all right, that's the start of the week. Is Sunday the start of the week or is Monday start of the?
Speaker 1:week there's a few variations.
Speaker 3:I mean, in Germany they have Monday at the start of their calendars, yeah, so you look at a US calendar at Sunday, monday, but it Sunday's considered the weekend, so technically Monday is still and God works.
Speaker 1:six days, rest of the seventh, but then I think you know the Sabbath day marks the beginning of the week as well. So yeah, it goes both ways Work.
Speaker 2:six rest of the seventh. If you view Sunday as the start of the week, then that's why is it Jehovah's Witnesses or Jewish?
Speaker 3:I think Jews.
Speaker 2:Yeah, View Saturday as the Sabbath right Because they see it that way. It all depends on what day of the week you see first.
Speaker 1:So stuff like that. Another one is number form, Cynthia, whereas numbers evoke a mental image of a specific spatial layout or form. That one I don't understand. I wouldn't really understand that at all.
Speaker 3:That doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:But oh well we're not experts.
Speaker 3:Rick will be. Yeah, we're definitely not experts. Did you see that one? I'll tell you about those.
Speaker 1:Let me just skip that one, because I can't really pronounce those words. Mirror touch, observing another person being touched or experiencing a sensation, triggers a similar tactile sensation in someone's own body. I mean, I feel like most guys feel like that when you see someone get hit in, the boys everyone feels it yeah, everybody feels it to a certain extent.
Speaker 3:Or like you see, like a fail video, somebody getting hit their face super hard You're like, oh man, that hurts.
Speaker 2:I feel like hyper extension yeah, that one will get you knees or elbows.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I feel like that one's really relatable as far as like physical injuries go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hyper extension is one of the highest like fears on my list. Yeah, just like to watch someone's knees go the wrong direction.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have percent in my my right knee and tore my meniscus. But okay, we're gonna do one more, because the other ones I don't really understand, and this one, they all seem pretty similar. This one's emotion color synthesea, where people view emotions of certain colors, which I think is kind of the most common. Yeah, inside out, or like mood rings, yeah, they say hey, if it's red you're hungry, if it's yellow you're happy.
Speaker 2:You know, if it's purple you want to get frisky, you know whatever it may be, there are like psychological ties to that though. So like right, you actually hit those first two spot on. So like red does like invoke, like mentally you think hunger and then yellow is happiness. That's why, like McDonald's, uses red and yellow. Yeah, happiness, and I'm hungry.
Speaker 1:Right, well, yeah, color color theory goes a lot of ways, because I've researched it, because we in my office at work, I close the blind so it's super dark and then I have like an RGB light that I can change the color of and that I longest time like what colors at home when you were doing that?
Speaker 1:That work at work, that's how it works, and so I'd always look up like what's the best color for work, and it's usually like a green or a blue it wakes your brain up or like a white light, because that's like daylight.
Speaker 1:It wakes your brain up and it starts moving the productivity, the creativity, and then you do like light that's lower on the UV spectrum, so closer to like a red. That helps you go to bed and if you have it low at night, like the red, it's a lower wavelength, so it's easier on the eyes, it's easier on the brain and it helps probably part of why they say don't use like blue light and use your phone right before bed. Yeah, because it keeps you up, it gets your brain going.
Speaker 3:Well, I had an English teacher that she would only use blue and green markers on the board so that you would catch it. You'd see it like actually be in your brain instead of like black it's oh, she's just right Something. Or red like oh, I don't want to read that, that's in red.
Speaker 1:Right, stuff like that, right, all right, let's hit the next one real fast. This one is the placebo effect. I think everyone knows that that is, it's snake oil. So yeah, pain relief is a popular thing where alleviate pain rating from everything just by like oh yeah, do this and it's going to help, but it's just fake.
Speaker 1:And it also helps with Parkinson's disease, where placebos are known to temporarily improve it. And a big one that I always think of is like in Harry Potter number six, the half blood prince, when Harry gets the liquid luck from the potions professor, yeah, and he makes it seem like he dumped it in Ron's cup before a game.
Speaker 2:Then he has super well, he can't do anything wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 1:When he really just did like some other spell, like some jinx, but it was pretty much a placebo, because then her mind later is like I can't believe you did that, and he's like I didn't, and hold. So she's like, but you, he goes, faked it. So I think that's like a placebo.
Speaker 3:So I, like the people that have lost like limbs and stuff, they'll put like their hands into a box and have a mirror so that they can see the other side Right. I feel like that is another kind of part of that, I guess.
Speaker 2:Even just like I don't know. I think I buy into placebos like super big, Like when I'm drinking or when I eat a lot of sugar, I just mentally feel like if I have enough water, like it cancels out, you know, or like meditation and stuff like that, I don't know. There's a ton of things where it's like just mind over matter. If you can buy into it mentally, like genuinely buy into it right, Then you can see real right and that's like the whole thing is tricking the mind, because then the mind has power over the body, right?
Speaker 1:So it's like if I take this or if I do this, then it's going to help me. I think it's also kind of like superstitions, right, where it's like you got to do certain things before you do whatever. Like me and Logan would listen to the same song before games in high school, right, and we'd always listen to it. It would motivate us and get us hyped up, but it's like if we didn't, we felt like we'd always had a worse game if we didn't get that in beforehand. Yeah, now, whether that's, you know, just habit or I wore the same socks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, wash them. See people like that.
Speaker 1:It's like you wear the same socks. You got your lucky.
Speaker 2:Underwear, you got your lucky whatever, and if you don't have it, then it kept the pipes in the same way at the start of every game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, See, so it's like you got those rituals where it's. It doesn't really make a difference but it does, but it does because it it's all up here in your brain. Yeah Right, All right. Moving on to the next one. This one I'd never heard of before, but after doing a little bit more reading into it I was like, oh yeah, I totally get that. I see that all the time and it's the bystander defect.
Speaker 3:I've heard, I've heard of it.
Speaker 1:I can't wear a lot of the time it's in like crisis, where something's happening but there's a ton of people around and no one jumps up to help because they all think someone else will do it. That's right. It's the diffusion of responsibility where. Oh, I could help, but someone else has it. Someone else is going to be better suited to help in this scenario, right?
Speaker 2:But then that's why in medical emergencies and everything, or really anything they say, point out a specific person, don't say someone called 911.
Speaker 1:Right you point someone.
Speaker 2:You call it, so this doesn't happen and also on the flip side, so everyone doesn't call in. We just overload them with the same.
Speaker 1:Same problem, same call yeah, and then another thing with it was they did a study on it. I can't remember who did a study, but just like observing it, they realized that people were more likely to help if they were the only ones around. Yeah, so, like car accidents, I witnessed a car accident on my way to work a couple years ago and I was over the green springs exit, off the freeway, stupid busy trying to get out into Washington for work, and I texted my manager like there's a car accident. I'm going to be late. She's like no worries, just get here when you can.
Speaker 1:But I was like in the intersection I didn't see the crash, but I saw it halfway through, so I didn't see like what caused it. But also, and I see a car go up on its top, spin and land like this and I'm like what is going on? And like not a lot of people got out to help. It was everyone kind of just like waited and some people got out and started helping and I've done it before where a couple cars in front of me car breaks down and it's like, oh, they need help pushing. Do I get out? I'm about to get out and I see like three other guys running.
Speaker 3:I'm like they got it.
Speaker 1:They got it and.
Speaker 3:I drive away. I've had scenarios like that too. I was out at Lake Powell and just waiting for my body to come pick me up at the docks and this guy comes hauling butt in to the marina and no wake zone and then starts yelling for help. I'm like, does he just want help? Like tying up his boat, like I don't know what he's doing? I'm kind of wasn't paying attention. And then I kind of looked at the boat and went wait a minute, wind shields all busted. Wait a minute, there's a jet ski in the back. I went, oh crap, right on Holy. So I go.
Speaker 2:Somebody launched into here.
Speaker 3:So I go running over there, I start figuring out what's going on, and what's funny is I was with Jason, the police chief.
Speaker 1:Williams, I was like I thought it was last name for a second, but he both run over there.
Speaker 3:I'm holding the boat. Apparently there was a woman under the jet ski. Oh, somebody was falling behind them. They had stopped Jet ski didn't see. They stopped, come up and over and landed on her Where'd the person go?
Speaker 1:Were they on the boat? They were on the boat.
Speaker 3:I was like they swung away the worst part was is they were friends and they were with each other. Oh, so they knew, knew what was going on. Yeah, they had like shut down the whole marina and like I was just sitting there holding the boat to the dock the whole time, I'm like I guess this is what I'm doing. But I mean, there's been other times that I've seen Steph and then I've just walked off and like, oh, somebody else will help, but totally, totally the effect Like I was probably the only one around for a few, a few hundred yards. So yeah.
Speaker 1:Another thing is like people, just human nature. They see something happen Like someone's getting robbed or there's a medical emergency, people will hesitate unless they see other people starting Like if everyone's like, well, I don't want to know what to do, and no one's taking action, no one's going to take action because everyone's like freeze it up because it's like I don't know if I should because no one else is Right, which is just. I mean, it's human nature, it's monkey. See, monkey do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So we're all those clones and drones for this. Go with the flow, yep.
Speaker 2:Just like water, path of least resistance Right.
Speaker 1:All right, now let's hit this last one. This one, it makes sense, but at the same time, never read it before. Never read it before. This one is called the Tetris effect, getting its name from the game Tetris, and this is a phenomenon where prolonged exposure to an activity or stimulus leads to individuals to involuntarily perceive or think about that activity even when they're not engaging in it. And it's not just Tetris, the video game, it's not just video games in general, it's any task at all. Right, which?
Speaker 2:put that in my terms dumb it down for me Um you spend too long doing one thing.
Speaker 1:When you stop doing it in your brain, you're still doing it.
Speaker 3:So you're Got it. You're knocking doors and you're going through your sales pitch. And then you start talking to some rando in line at Chick-fil-A or whatever, going through your sales pitch.
Speaker 1:You're going through your sales pitch, or you could be doing something completely different and you're going through it in your brain over and over, and, over and over again.
Speaker 3:I do that all the time with my work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was doing that a ton when we took the family trip up into Canada in the middle of the summer, right, Because I was like come straight off of it, Like even doing phone calls as we travel up there still pitching people, and then it's just like anyone talks about bugs and I'm like oh, where are you getting them?
Speaker 3:I can pitch a problem, yeah.
Speaker 1:So some popular examples are the game Tetris, and I actually do this. When I'm packing a car, I think of it as Tetris. It is when I'm not actually playing the game. I haven't played Tetris in a very long time, but I see the car and I'm like I have these objects that need to fit into this space. How can I accomplish said task? And so I play Tetris with my crap.
Speaker 3:Are you pulling up Tetris? I've been addicted to it.
Speaker 1:the last little bit Right it's been bad, and so people will see objects as like falling objects that need to fit into a perfect place or else game over. Right, right.
Speaker 3:But in reality it's not game over, it's just life.
Speaker 1:Another thing is musicians and melodies, where musicians may find themselves mentally playing a particular tune or melody they've been practicing even when they're not actively playing their instrument, which makes sense. So it's like getting a song stuck in your head which makes sense.
Speaker 2:Scott does that so consistently. Oh, I bet Even like someone will say something and it's like yeah, and he's like, was that a D minor? And he's like picking out notes. Because he's like working on getting perfect pitch, so which I didn't even know that was a thing you could like drive it, for I didn't even work on it.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2:Jack Black has it Just problem with that. But like it's achievable even if you aren't born with it, which is crazy. So he's like been working on it, so even in conversations, or he'll like hear a note and he's like that's the same note that's at the start of this song and I'm like what? The that's crazy? What are you talking about? That's crazy. The kid's nuts.
Speaker 1:Right. Another one is chess players. So chess enthusiasts may visualize pieces on an imaginary board and if like, play, pretty much play out a game of chess in their brain. And I, at work, we've gotten real into chess lately because at our old office we couldn't play ping pong because it was too loud, because our neighbors were complaining and my boss was like, let's play chess, let's have a chess tournament. So we got real into it. I hadn't played chess for years but at one point me and my brothers were pretty into it when we learned and so I just got back into it. I play it daily. Now I got the chesscom app and it's got a daily puzzle. I'm consistent like 40 days now, just every day playing it, and I'll sit there and I'll be like playing the game and I'm like, oh, I should probably get back to work. So I'll stop halfway through and I'm sitting there doing my work in my head I'm like, if I move there and then move there, and then they're gonna move this way.
Speaker 2:And then I'm still playing it.
Speaker 1:I'm still playing it in my head and I'll do it. When I'm watching other guys play, I'm like, oh, if they move here. And I'm like playing the game out in my head as best as I can and just be like, yeah, just move. You know all that stuff. And then if I lose, I'm like, well, where I went wrong was here, so if I would have done that, they would have done this, and then you replayed the whole game in my head.
Speaker 1:I'm like, okay, I could have got checkmate there. Or if, like I run out of time, we play with a clock and like we'll run out of time, they will or I will, and I sit there and I'm like looking at it, I'm playing it out in my head Cause like we stopped moving the pieces and I'm like, okay, so I move here, he moves there, then I move here, then he does that, then I do this and then checkmate. I went, you know, two moves away. So I actually experienced it, even though I'm not like a big old chess player.
Speaker 3:I think I do it a lot too, like when I'm in the passenger seat driving especially like I'll be thinking about. Like when I'm riding motorcycle, like, oh, I would be right here in this lane position, all right, I would be switching lanes here, I'd be doing this, or I would lane split here. Or even like driving a car, like, oh, I'd do this. Or like I think through I do this all the time and I'm even just driving my truck is I think about what I would do if I had a trailer behind me, like how I would turn, how I would take Right, I do it so much how it changes it yeah.
Speaker 1:Or like when you're driving home or you're driving somewhere and you're on autopilot to somewhere else and it's like wait a minute.
Speaker 2:I'm going have you ever got somewhere? And you're like yeah, what happened?
Speaker 1:I've been halfway, like me and Cam one time we went to Walmart and then I think we were swinging by my parents to grab something and I'm like driving home and usually because that's a road you've driven how many?
Speaker 1:times, but usually we get on the freeway to go home. But this time I'm going up the hill towards my parents house. I'm like halfway up the hill and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm not going home, I'm going to my parents. What am I doing? I need to go home and I realized, wait a minute. No, I need to go to my parents to pick something up. What's going on? I'm sitting there like freaking out for 30 seconds driving down the road. I'm like where am I going?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, but yeah driven it for years and years and years up that road and I'm like it's just, you're on autopilot going to where you're going. Sometimes you get lucky and you're going the right way. But right yeah. Another one is typing patterns. If you type on the computer a lot and you type the same phrases or words over and over again, yeah, you'll be typing something completely different All of a sudden. You're typing out what you type out all the time. So, what is it? I found that.
Speaker 2:Or like yeah, I guess that. Or sometimes it's like I have a thought in my head and I'm trying to type it, and then I mind the wonders and I just start typing what I'm thinking, even though, like, because your brain kind of splits. You know, you have like the task at hand and then like what your inner monologue, whatever's going on.
Speaker 1:That's called ADHD bud. It's the same thing. I have it too.
Speaker 3:don't worry, I was going to bring up like when I speak, I'm always talking and then something else comes in my head and I just completely switch without finishing my last thought yeah, it's called ADHD I know.
Speaker 2:Now I'm thinking about how I'm typing while I'm thinking, while I'm typing.
Speaker 1:Oh bro, this is so meta, this is so meta.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, wait, wait. Pulling back to chess. Have you all seen white collar? Yes, no.
Speaker 1:My mom is like a crime, like it's like part of the FBI.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they one of the characters uses like throughout the whole show. He's got like this nemesis and whatever, and like, in whatever situation he's in, there's always like some plots going on and he uses like a chessboard to like map out his moves and what the other person's doing against him like, and just metaphorically translates it in real life. Right, oh, this person did this move. Oh, that's like moving the queen.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's wild. Does that make sense to you guys at all? Yeah, I guess I don't know about everybody else how to apply it, yeah, or like how that would ever be like a thing in your own life or no, a little bit, I mean.
Speaker 3:I think to some extent we don't have nemesis that were. Yeah, right, I mean, I'm my own worst enemy honestly. Yeah, playing against yourself.
Speaker 1:I think you could visualize it as, like you yourself, you're playing as the king, because when the king dies, game over, right, right. And so then it's like well, you got pawns, you got to determine what those are.
Speaker 3:Well, and I guess employees or what you could look at it as I got. I got work, I got school, I got family, like you could see, I guess that of OK. I got to go to practice. I got to spend three hours put. I also got to study for this test, like what? I need to prioritize.
Speaker 1:I guess you could be here. It would be hard to visualize your life as chess in mod, like normal day to day, whereas, like in that scenario, it's a little bit different, more of a long game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right.
Speaker 2:I was just. We were talking about chess and I was thinking about it.
Speaker 3:I feel like it applies, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Right and pretty much some other ones, like like dancers and choreographers will go over stuff in their head before their routine or after, and which I mean. If you think about it, the Tetris effect really kind of comes up all the time when you're just rehearsing something or thinking about something. When you're not doing, it is the Tetris effect Right, yeah, right.
Speaker 2:But it is what it is. I think it's super applicable in anything that you do so repetitively. Just because you go on autopilot Right and then like your mind is it's hard not to have it.
Speaker 1:Flick on, click out of it when you're in other situations, right. Another one that we'll kind of finish up on is language learning. People that are diverting a lot of time into learning a new language may involuntarily think in that language or start speaking in that language. I think of like rms, when they're, like you know, up there giving a talk and they're like I just I can't think of the English word for it. It's like, yes, you can shut up.
Speaker 2:I think that's so cliche. I would like avoid saying that at all costs. I would like describe the word I was trying to get to rather than say well. I know it in Spanish you know, just because I didn't want to be that guy.
Speaker 1:Right, but like which it obviously is a real thing, where you literally can't think of it in any other sense but the new language because like, for example, the like Spanish word for appointment is CEDA.
Speaker 2:When I was talking with like Americans in Mexico, even when we would be having like regular conversations in English, we would still talk about our appointments as CEDAs. So it's like, hey, what time is that CEDA you've got tonight?
Speaker 3:And it's like.
Speaker 2:So then, to come back here and I'm like I I have a CEDA with my dentist and I was like, oh, what is this?
Speaker 1:But I mean, that kind of makes sense because CEDA short appointment super long. So that makes sense. English is weird.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it makes no sense, it's something weird with that, though, kara.
Speaker 2:When she was like taking Spanish classes and we'd like read the scriptures or whatever in Spanish, just like help her practice pronunciations, she'll dream in Spanish. She's had more dreams in Spanish than I have, but the weird thing is that she doesn't understand her dreams. She's still just picking up pieces.
Speaker 1:That's funny, that's funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So pretty much with that one and a lot of these psychological phenomenon is our brain's ability to recognize patterns, because the human brain is so good at that. For whatever reason, better than any other species, any other brain, we have the ability to pick out and recognize patterns like that, and it's pretty incredible. Actually, another fun fact about the human brain Did you guys know that humans have the ability to smell rain in the air Like 10 times better than sharks can smell blood and water? Really, yep.
Speaker 3:How do they prove that?
Speaker 1:Because we can smell it. Well, actually that's another thing is sharks actually don't have that good of a sense of smell. They've got it just about as good as any other fish. They can't smell blood a mile away it's really like a quarter mile is about the length of there.
Speaker 2:I'm still pretty good Right.
Speaker 1:Because, if you think about it, it's like say you cut yourself at the beach. A shark a mile out, which is forever away at the beach, come swimming towards you because they smell it Not really yeah, you know, whereas humans it's hard to be in the vicinity and it draws them in.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whereas humans it couldn't be a cloud in the sky. Walk outside, smell it. This smells like it's going to rain, right, and that comes from generations of need. Like rain makes our food grow, right, so it's rain comes out. That means, you know, rain makes corn and corn makes whiskey and whiskey makes my baby get a little frisky. So you know, this is a little fun fact for you guys.
Speaker 2:Important things to remember, Important things you know.
Speaker 1:Anyways, thank you guys for joining us today. Comment below what your favorite effect was or if you had any personal examples or experiences with any of these. And yeah, just leave a follow like subscribe. Click the bell. Do all that good stuff for us and we'll catch you next time. Bye.
Speaker 3:Adios.