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83. Finding Balance Coming Back To Your Business with a New Vision with Guest Bethany Quinn

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What happens when your dream photography business leaves you completely burned out? In this raw and inspiring episode, Bethany Quinn shares her journey from building a booming downtown boudoir studio to hitting a wall of exhaustion that forced her to walk away from photography for an entire year.

After pouring everything into a passion project that left her depleted, Bethany realized something had to change. Her comeback story is filled with powerful lessons every photographer needs to hear—about boundaries, sustainable systems, and building a business that supports your life, not drains it.

You’ll hear how she rebuilt her business by:

  • Replacing constant ads with real, authentic connections
  • Setting firm boundaries to protect her time (and sanity)
  • Leading powerful planning sessions that create deeper client trust
  • Combining her boudoir expertise with equine photography to attract dream clients naturally

Bethany’s honest reflections touch on selling wall art with confidence, managing client expectations, and navigating the business as an introvert—all while honoring her own needs. Her evolution proves that creating a more fulfilling, profitable business isn’t about doing more... it’s about doing things differently.

Meet Bethany Quinn
Bethany Quinn is a boudoir and equine photographer with a heart for authenticity and a passion for celebrating the beautifully imperfect. Her work is rooted in the belief that realness matters more than perfection—that the scars, stories, and experiences we carry are what make us powerful, not something to hide.

Explore her work at www.bbquinnphotography.com, follow her on Instagram at @BethanyQuinnStudios, and tune into her new podcast This Photographer Life for more inspiration from behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to Mindset and Money Mastery for Photographers the podcast. We help overwhelmed photographers make more money while simplifying their business by mastering their you guessed it mindset and money. Tune in each week for practical and actionable tips to take your photography business up a notch. Let's dive right in.

Speaker 2:

Hey guys, today I am so excited to have Bethany joining me on the podcast. Bethany is one of my coaching clients. I think we met from the Equine Photography Summit. Is that correct? Whenever I hosted that?

Speaker 3:

It was, you were giving a three day, I think it was five day training and I just tuned in. I've been following you for a while and I loved what you were doing with your business model and the work that you were creating, and so you had, like this free, like mastermind joined and it was just like, oh my gosh, this stuff is so good.

Speaker 2:

Amazing. I love that. Well, welcome. Do you want to introduce yourself and tell everyone a little bit about you and who you are and what you do?

Speaker 3:

Sure, first of all, thank you so much for inviting me on here. I feel like it's such an honor to be one of your people that you interview because I, like I said, have been following you for a while and so it's so cool to be on here. So I am a blue wire and equine photographer from Indianapolis, indiana. I help women feel more confident in their own skin through my portrait services, so I'll offer hair and makeup as an add on to their type of session. Yeah, right now I'm just mostly booked with equine stuff for the summer and doing and working on a heart horse, sort of like a 40 over 40 campaign for women and the horses that they love the most.

Speaker 2:

I love that. That's amazing. Well, I am super excited to have you here because I know you have a wealth of knowledge yourself. Before you even came into my program, I know that you were killing it in so many ways in your business. I feel like you were at a place of pivoting whenever we met. Do you want to tell them about that pivot or what was kind of prompting that urge to pivot in your business?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, Holy moly, we got to go back to like 2022. I had a black and white specific boudoir studio downtown Indianapolis. I was shooting only studio work there. And I did a similar campaign where it was a 40 over 40. It was called fearless 40 women share their tales of courage over 30. I think I did it over 3040. Women over 30 share their tales of courage is what it is, and we're doing round two now.

Speaker 3:

So, um, what, where I was when I first started that, it was kind of like we're still in COVID, like coming out of it. I'm like, should I do this or not? And then I just went through with it. I shot so much that I literally burned myself out. I was also teaching, and I did teaching other photographers how to build their businesses, also running a podcast, so and then all of a sudden, my mom got really, really sick and this was like the boiling point where I was starting to feel really really burned out in my business and so and it's not that like, it's just like I was shooting a lot and there were issues in my systems and my client systems that I felt like needed tweaked. But at that point it was kind of like I'm burning my biscuits. I kind of need a break for a while. After the gala that you know, I want to be able to like back up what I am telling my clients, what their kind of experience that they're getting. And we did it and it was amazing.

Speaker 3:

And then I took a year off and I did something else, like made candles and soap, and I was like you know what I'm just gonna explore this for a little while. I did like the vendor thing of like coming to flea market not flea markets but farmers markets on Saturdays. And then I was just like you know what I really miss photography. I wonder what if I go like I don't know. I needed something creative to fill my time, to be able to go back to that and to see the value and like appreciate how much I really love the process of photographing women specifically. But I was also like trying to build an equine portfolio too, and that was around the time my mom was sick and so I built this great portfolio, because I always like to test things out first. And then I was just like I need like a year off done with this for a second. I have to put this down and also be there for her. So then when we chatted I was just coming back to, I knew I needed some.

Speaker 3:

I wanted to come back to my photography career because I've spent so much time and I've been in the industry now for 11 years I've been shooting since I was 12 years old and it's just like it's a part of my identity, but at the same time, it's not like it doesn't have to be all what I do. So there was a lot of like exploration, there was a lot of, um, things that I wanted to do differently so that I don't end up in the same situation again where I found myself in November of 2023. So when I found you, it was like, oh, this will be just to kind of get back into things, because there's going to be a group of people in there during these live Q&As for the next five days and it can give me more of a fresh perspective from what I'm used to doing and maybe help me break some of the habits that I think. I think I'm using like air quotes those who are listening that I think I have to do, or expectations that I put on myself, but it's really like not a big deal. So that's where I was, I think, when we did our consultation call, I was like this is where I am. I would like to do more equine sessions, but it feels like a big mountain right now.

Speaker 3:

I still want to shoot boudoir, but I don't want it to be like this overwhelming task to have people come in, because I was doing Facebook ads to bring people in and sometimes you get really interesting people with those ads and so I really needed someone to kind of guide me in the direction.

Speaker 3:

That was like okay, this is what I'm doing, but if this doesn't work for you, take it like, take it and make it your own and see how it works. Because I was so stuck on like a rigid system in my own mind that it was like even on the podcast it was like you have to do X, Y and Z or else you can't be a professional photographer, and it's just like no, they needed to hear that, because you do need a little bit of hustle in this business to be able to survive. But at the same time it was like yeah, but you can also do it like this and maybe like implement some of these other little things to kind of help prepare your clients for the experience that they're going to be working, how they're going to show up in the experience that you're offering to them.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love what you're saying. That's so important, so I have a really big question to ask you then how do you think that the people listening to this can avoid getting in that burnt out position that you got yourself in at the end of your passion project that you did?

Speaker 3:

I would say boundaries. Boundaries are your best friend. Okay, having a specific amount of shoots that you want to do every week or however many a month that you want to do and stick to that. I can also see myself sometimes slipping where I'm like I can just fit this one, like this one last phone consultation on Tuesday, and I know it's after hours, but like I can fit it in, I'm not that busy and then I'm like you know, I really wish I didn't do that, because I could be like having dinner with my husband or like my dogs being at the bar. So I have to like you really have to watch yourself when people are coming in hot with inquiries too, because it's easy to say yes to everything. But then, on the day of the shoot day, you're like, oh my gosh, what did I say yes to? Again, what's happening? Oh God, so it's really used to discernment. Shoot day, you're like, oh my gosh, what did I say yes to? Again, what's happening? Oh God, so it's really used to discernment.

Speaker 2:

I feel like so many people do these like projects like 40 over 40 or something like that, or they do like a dog A lot of my listeners do the dog projects and they get to the end of it and they get so burnt out. And I've always kind of wondered like where does this burnout come from from projects, and like how photographers can navigate these projects better without getting burnt out. Because I've done a project. I did a 365 day project, 365 horses in one year. So I get it. I've been in your shoes.

Speaker 2:

I didn't get burned out from it, though, but I think maybe it's because I had really clear expectations on what I was doing. I set it up in a smart way where I wasn't actually photographing a horse every single day, set it up where I started a few months prior. So that way I already had a good content plan built up before we started and I was super strategic in the way I managed it and managed expectations with clients. And also I was really good at that point when I did my project at making money from those project clients. So even though I did have some no sales and some low sales, and even though my pricing was way lower back then than it is now.

Speaker 2:

I still was paid well for my time and I really loved it, but I think I see frustration coming through from no boundaries within it, being like so much more than it has to be. Like I always say you can do a project, but you don't have to do a book. You don't have to do a big gala Like you don't have to do all those extra things. You can if you want to, as a surprise on the end, but if you go into a project and you promise all of these extras and you get to the end and you're like I am so tired and now I have another thing to do, I feel like that tends to be the icing on the cake on top of. I dealt with some crazy people that did not pay me very much money and it sucked.

Speaker 3:

I had some of those because I did charge for Fearless fearless I still do because it's like your bank you have to pay for, like the party at the end, you know, and um, and hair and makeup and everything else.

Speaker 3:

But it was like, yeah, there were some people like right on the back end, like during the sales sessions, that were like I don't understand what, like I'm not getting all my photos, and it was like, well, we have this conversation. I don't know what happened, but it was like people like that, like seven in a row, and it was like this is I need to break, because I need to figure out what's going on. But there was a lot of uh, not a lot of boundaries, and I didn't set out in the beginning and structure it the way that I would have liked to. And I feel like when you, when you just said that it was, was like oh yeah, because when I first started, I was like, well, let's just see if this works. If people like it, then we're going to do it, and we just did it. It was just like flying by the seat of our pants the entire time.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, okay. So you said something there about you had like seven people in a row that didn't know what to expect.

Speaker 3:

Well, they knew what to expect as far as, like, they're getting hair and makeup the photo shoot, but they just didn't understand, like a print credit that I was doing at the end and they thought they were getting all the photos when they weren't.

Speaker 2:

So now, looking back on that, because I think that's a fear that a lot of people have, is that that's going to happen to them, and I think it has to happen to all of us a number of times for us to learn our lesson and to figure out how to not let it happen.

Speaker 3:

I'm curious, looking back on that now, do you feel like you have the safeguards in place to avoid that in the future? Yes, I do, and I am more engaged with my people, so we'll do like a phone consultation and planning session, which is where you're like oh yeah, this is really important because you're also subliminally kind of selling to them at the same time, even because they need to see, like this is how big we can take this shoot and that cause. They're just like oh yeah, just digitals please. And it's like no, no, no, we can do like a gallery wall. We can do like the hidden, the hidden image behind your husband's closet and he has to part his clothes. I could borrow that from you.

Speaker 3:

But, um, you can do a folio box and an album, and then this is where that starts it's and like they can see it and it's easier for them to be like okay, so this is like where your print product, your, your print credit, goes towards yeah, and anything you know. Whatever you buy in print, you get the matching digital file. And then that's when it's like okay, we're doing good now, like we're starting to understand everyone's understanding. Even if it's been a while since their initial planning session, I still like to kind of follow up with them and talk about product, what they want to do with their photos. Still, because there might be some time in between then yeah.

Speaker 2:

So what would you say? Some of the biggest changes are from your old system versus your new system. After you've worked with me, you've gone through the program. How does your business look different now?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I kind of broke up with Facebook ads. That was really hard for me to let go because I relied very heavily on them. But because I was doing Facebook ads, I also wasn't paying attention to like my blog and like all of the other facets that you need to do to kind of like like not put all your eggs in one basket, so to speak. You'd have different areas. I didn't think I could like book people organically and that's basically. Well, that's all that I've been doing for the past six months. That's amazing February, and it's just been like blogging sending people to my blog, blogging stories from like fearless sessions, from like 2023. And also like my heart horse sessions that I did back in fall it's still an ongoing project, but it's like horse sessions that I did back in fall it's still an ongoing project but it's like create the blog post and then you do all the SEO stuff and your photos are in there, and it's like, once it's posted, something I didn't do before, when I would blog every now and again would be sharing that with the person who you wrote the blog post about, because then you're also reaching other people that are just outside of your network, that are in theirs, and so that was one thing. The planning sessions have been extremely helpful by just adding like an extra like 30 minutes to a FaceTime with your client just to kind of address their concerns.

Speaker 3:

And I used to have people like when they start, we have the phone consultation, they want a book, and then we plan their planning session. And then started the planning session, they're like I'm like hey, how are you feeling about this shoe? My boudoir clients are like honestly, I'm nervous. Okay, that's, that's great, Everyone's nervous. But like let's, let's dig a little bit deeper here and kind of address like what are we nervous about? Is it the unknown piece? Here's what the studio looks like, this is what these you know the print products look like. What do you have in mind for this, this and this?

Speaker 3:

And then by the end of that call they're like oh, like they feel a little bit more empowered instead of nervous, because now they have seen me, cause we'll do a virtual call like this, and they know I'm not like a weirdo, they see that I care about their well-being, and sometimes it just takes people a little bit of extra time to kind of like come around to that Like you do have a phone call with them, but at the same time, it's like they need to see you. It's just, I don't know like people are going to remember how you made them feel that's a quote that I picked up over the years over like remembering your name or remembering like what does he do. It's just how you make them feel, and so just being mindful of like how much attention I am giving each client is something I picked up. Also, how to sell wall art on the front end and like plant little, like plant the seeds of, like sales, even though it's like it's not like you're being salesy or be, it's like an organic conversation. It doesn't have to be like, well, let me tell you about this, like they're willing to hear about what it is that you are producing, because they also want to see that work in print that you're showing them. Um, that's really cool, and I also was doing back when I was doing the first round of Fearless, I was doing same day reveal sessions and I feel like everyone needs to try that at least one time to see just how it works.

Speaker 3:

It works for a lot of people, but I have figured out that that was a huge contributor to my burnout because it's like okay, I have to do a shoot, but then the reveal session after that, and I'm usually exhausted and I feel like a little bit more vulnerable if someone is like having like, well, I didn't see your prices or know that it was this much money, how could you charge someone this much money? And it's just like, oh my God, we were not on the same page at all. But now it's, you know, at the virtual appointment it's two weeks after their shoot and they see fully retouched images and everyone is like up to speed on, because I did away with my price list too, and that was something that was really interesting change, because I was like what do you mean? You don't have a price list, like how do you what? And then I started implementing those steps and it was like, oh wow, this test, this is great, because people will actually like anchor down to what they think they want.

Speaker 3:

But then once you show them like this is like like they have the money, all of a sudden. And so it's interesting to me that visual piece that you provide for them, but also explaining to them that it's like no, this is kind of like I want you to figure out what it is that you want, and then I can give you pricing as we go. But this is where these prices start and paint the picture for them. That was huge too, because then they get a visual, a mental visual of like, of like what, where everything starts, but also like you're following up with that planning session and showing them and like, oh yeah, these are those prices again, this is what you get with that. So there's a lot of cool like psychology involved in that. That I haven't really used before, but it's also very authentic and not like salesy or anything.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love that, so kind of knowing what I know you were doing all of the right things in your business. Right, you went through and made a lot of tiny shifts along the way, right, nothing, I don't think anything you did really changed 180 degrees. It was just little stuff. And I always say like that's the most frustrating part of business, cause you're like I'm doing the thing, I'm doing it good, I'm doing what I'm supposed to do, but something still isn't clicking quite right. So then you have to go through and be the detective and say, like what little things can I find and how do I adjust them, how do I tweak them in a way that feels good for me and then put them into my business. And it was funny because I was talking to Corey the other day on the podcast and she goes.

Speaker 2:

You would say something like that was so little and so minuscule and I'd be like that's not going to matter and I would push back on it so hard, like doing that one little thing in a different order is not going to make a difference. Corinna, that's so stupid, I'm already doing it. I just flip those two things and she goes. And then I would flip the two things and go. Holy crap. That made all the difference. Why was I so stubborn? And then I realized I just needed to try the tiny little things that seemed so insignificant, because sometimes those little insignificant pieces really mattered.

Speaker 3:

My huge impact, huge. Yeah, I had a little pushback about doing the planning sessions because I was like, oh my god, that's another day, I have to show up in front of people and I don't want to do it. And now it's just it's fun for me and I can just hammer out a bunch of them in a row yeah but yeah, it's just little tiny changes and it wasn't I mean it made a huge impact for sure. I totally agree with her.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I so I. So you said something earlier which was like I was doing what everyone said I'm supposed to do and you had to like give yourself permission to like let go of those things to some extent, right, so talk more about that, cause I think that a lot of times, photographers feel this like pressure to do what everyone else is doing, or do exactly what someone tells you to do because it works for what it, what's possible?

Speaker 3:

for your career as a photographer. You can have a career as a photographer, right? So I followed that. Then this was like the only person that I found at the time that was actually like oh, you're really doing that. Oh, my God, you're really doing this, wow Okay. But it was like here's the process Da, da, da, da, da, da da. Make sure you have hair doing this, wow Okay. But it was like here's the process Make sure you have hair and makeup.

Speaker 3:

And so hair and makeup in my freaking brain was like no one's going to want to do a shoot. How am I going to stand out from everyone else if I don't offer hair and makeup? And I came from the hair and makeup world prior to my photography career, and so it was like, oh yeah, I have those contacts, no big deal. But then it was like this is like really eating into my costs and like, okay, yeah, why don't I just make this optional? So that was something I let go of and dealt with. But it's like, if you want that, here it is, but it's this much money, right, if you don't want that and you want to seek it on your own's this much money, right, if you don't want that and you want to seek it on your own. It's x amount of dollars and, uh, this is like would you like to book? So that was something I an old system I had to let go in, an old belief I had to let go of. Also, like not like I felt like I kept my clients at like arm's distance, and that's really hard with boudoir, because I mean you're seeing naked people, you're seeing the naked, you know. So it's. It was like how can you be like I love a boundary, but a lot of my people that I have as clients like want to be friends with me at the end of it, and those people I've kept around and that's fine. Like I love that. I love that they trust me enough to where they're like telling me about like I actually just had a client last year and this was like what brought me also back into photography.

Speaker 3:

She was like hey, me and my husband go to Gulf Shores every year and I want you to photograph us on the beach, not in a boudoir way, just like it was their anniversary. And she was like you can stay with us. Bring your husband like stay as long as you want. And it was like are you serious? Okay, all right, yeah, let's do it. And it was so much fun and it's just like like diving in a little bit deeper with.

Speaker 3:

I'm not saying like you should go on vacation with your clients, but it has evolved from her knowing that like she didn't even know if she wanted to come into her boudoir session because she was so nervous. But if I did like a planning session with her, she probably would have felt a lot more comfortable coming in. But she almost didn't do her boudoir session and that one session has led. I've worked with her five times since then and did the Gulf Shores thing, and then she had her daughter come in and do the session too and she's just such a cool person to have in my life too and very encouraging and very sweet and it's it's wild how things kind of happen just from one shoot or just from meeting one person.

Speaker 3:

So that was something like reaching, like being more um, I'm not saying like text them every day, hey, girl, blah, blah, blah, and like build an inauthentic relationship, but like if they want to reach out to you, and like talk to you and like like keep, I give people like my phone number so they can text me, but these are my texting hours. Here they are because then they have that sense of intimacy with you and maybe they are building it into a friendship or what, just a client relationship, and that's fine. But also having like making sure people know what the expectations are when it comes to my boundaries and when they can expect to hear back from me, either from email or texting.

Speaker 2:

I can keep going on and on about I think what's so cool is like it sounds like you, maybe before your business was more transactional in the beginning, but as you went deeper into the business it became more relational, and so now you have that relational piece from the get go and the whole thing feels like a relationship and a bond. And a bond. And I think this is so important too, that you said this, because some people are so afraid of selling, because they feel like, oh, this is just a sales pitch or this is just twisting someone's arm, whenever it's really just getting to know somebody, like actually knowing their needs and their desires and who they are as a person, and then serving them in a way that they need to be served and delivering an end result that you know, even when you are gone and their session is done, that that relationship and that that journey that they went on and that story that you learned from them and their, their path in their life, is put into something that's on their wall that will forever live with them and give them that feeling of that emotion, of that transformation, of that journey. And it's like not like, yes, it's, we're making money by selling art, but like I know that I can't sleep at night, knowing that I missed an opportunity to do that for someone. That's what I have nightmares about.

Speaker 2:

I have nightmares about, like I know the value in that portrait going on the wall and I know what that means. I know what the portrait of my horse on the wall means. I know what the portrait of my family and our boxer that passed away means. Like I can't talk about it because I walked past it and it makes me want to tear up, but it's like the one thing that Paisley's always in our house, right, and I know the power in it, right, and it's like, yes, this is about being in business, but it's also about being a person and serving people and taking care of them. So, absolutely, I love that you brought that up. Okay, so how have your sales changed since going on this journey and making these changes in your business?

Speaker 3:

They're higher because, well, I was able to take, I did one shoot and then I was able to take a month off. And I haven't done that in a while where it was like, okay, good, that's enough for me to like chill for a second and then just like, do bookings for the rest of the summer and then be good. Until then I've had people because I've shown them like whatever, like the products look like and everything they actually this is really funny, I meant to tell you this. So for my horse stuff I like will post in a Facebook group of like hey, I'm doing these kind of sessions, like here's the link to the landing page, whatever, if you're interested, you have to apply all the information's on there. And she was familiar with some of the others, like some of the stuff that I've done horse wise and boudoir. And during this phone consultation she's like how much is it for this like portfolio box, because that's something that I'm interested in. And I was like, oh, cool, like we're already, we're already cutting to the chase. And it's just like the phone consultation. And she's like, well, actually can we do like a prepayment situation, because this is before my shoot, because I just want to be able to have this, because I lost a horse right before I was supposed to do a photo shoot and I waited too long. And then, like I want to make sure I can avoid that from happening again, and that was something that was like, well, yeah, and I just kind of like okay, how many images are you thinking you want? Okay, and just keep in mind you can do this and this in case you want to upgrade. But it was just that that like yeah, well, yes, you can do that. That I've never like put forth before, but that's like some extra money every month in my pocket. But also she's going to get like an amazing folio box full of her favorite images of her and her horse.

Speaker 3:

What else I love? Creating gallery walls for my people as like a sneak peek, and that has like, even though, if they don't get that exact gallery wall or the sizing or whatever they're, still they're already thinking about wall arts even before the shoot, and I feel like that is something that helps kind of like push a little bit more now. Now, I don't want to say push, because there's no pushing, it's just information, right? So it plants the seeds for them to be comfortable with the idea of doing wall art, yeah. So I'm trying to think what else, because it's just been so like oh okay, that's fine, let's do it. And I'm just now getting into my photographing for horses season. It's hot outside summer, so I'm really excited to see how this summer will all unfold with the process that I've been doing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love that. So is there like one big thing that has stood out to you amongst everything else that you're like? There's this one thing I have learned over the last year and I just wish everyone knew this one thing, because this one thing I have learned over the last year and I just wish everyone knew this one thing, because this one thing could change everything for you Boundaries.

Speaker 3:

Boundaries you have to. It's like you're loving yourself while you can love other people. But it doesn't have to be as rigid as what you think. It's just something and that can go as far as like these are the days I shoot, these are the days I do phone consultations between this time and this time, these are the times I do my reveal, and ordering appointments between this time and this time Any other time, if they want to like I'm only doing. I started two or three shoots a month. Now I have nine for next month, just to give you an idea of how I'm working with my boundaries. Because I'm like no, no, no, dial it back. Dial it back because I am just like so hungry to shoot again, but also organic leads, not Facebook ads, like that's amazing and crazy.

Speaker 2:

yeah, in a new genre, like with your new genre, you're getting these organic leads, which I think is so cool, and kudos to you because you've put yourself out there the way you need to and you've shown up for your business the way you need to.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, it's. I'm still just like in awe of that too. Not to be like, oh my God, I'm so awesome, but you know what I mean. Like where I was a year ago was not what this mental state was. I was not here mentally. It's an ongoing and also just like being patient with the process. Not, you don't have to book five shoots or book out the rest of your year all in one day or all in one week. Like being patient with the process and knowing that there's a time and a place for every single part of that process, instead of it being like this quick, fiery thing, like let's just get out, get out, I just want to get to the ordering appointment and I just want to book this many people. And it's just like calm down. What are what? What do you have control of?

Speaker 2:

yeah, the end, very true, okay. So let's talk about this marketing thing for a second, because I think a lot of people are going to hear that you used to use Facebook ads heavily and they're going to be like Facebook ads. Tell me all about Facebook ads, oh my God. But what I want to know is, like what do you think your secret has been to getting these clients through your door? Like, is it the diversification in your marketing? Is it solely the? Is it solely the blogging Cause I know you mentioned blogging or is there a diversification here that has happened that maybe you didn't have?

Speaker 3:

before. I think it's connections. It could be because I haven't done Facebook ads since February and it's like the end of May right now, and by now I would have ran maybe three Facebook ads for a specific genre. And so I, because I was like you know what Path of least resistance here? Like I'm trying to save for a studio shed in my backyard? So like what can? What path of least resistance here? Like I'm trying to save for a studio shed in my backyard? So like what can I do that? I know what like works. But also like we can experiment with this.

Speaker 3:

And this is something that I just did with these like mini sessions that I'm doing too, because it's like you can either spend your money and, if I'm going too far out in the weeds, like pull me back, because it's just like, um, I, I am doing blogging. I started, I picked up blogging again in March to answer your question, and I have been consistently doing it every week while posting. Every week, I schedule it out and then it's like okay, what are three pieces of content that you can create for Instagram and Facebook around these like these, these blog posts?

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

And I just create three pieces of content. They're usually just carousels. I'll do like two carousels and maybe a reel if I feel like it.

Speaker 2:

And then if.

Speaker 3:

I'm doing a promotion like for the mini sessions for my boudoir. I mean, mostly Instagram is kind of it's a little bit of both for equine. I'm building my equine over there. I feel like people in Facebook, facebook land know me. I get more traffic from Facebook regardless, but they are paying attention more in Facebook for some reason, even though I anyway I posted both because my I use Later, which is like a social media planning interface and you can plan out your entire month. You could do probably your entire year that way.

Speaker 3:

Okay, and I have a lot of. You know you and I talked about this during a one-on-one where it was like, what kind of content do I need to get when I'm doing a shoot? Because you get caught up in the heat of a shoot and it's like I forgot that behind the scenes video, I forgot to do this and this and this, but now I'm going into it like, okay, I need to do at least one video I need to like behind the scenes. I want to do one with my camera, which new camera is having some glitches around that, but it's fine, we got we got the iPhone, it's fine and it keeps like people who attend those shoots, a little like it keeps them busy and I've just been creating like being more mindful and like how that's going to process during when I market that blog post. So I just spend a lot of time on blogging honestly. And then for like for boudoir and equine, because I'll do it in an order that's like I'll have like a boudoir post one week, the next week it'll be equine specific, the following week I've been doing these like equine professional business features on my blog. So if people are, this was something that was. That's really cool that I just started.

Speaker 3:

I just finished the first blog post but I sent her the photos from our session. She's a saddle fitter and I uh, I did a shoot with her like just doing her thing on her own horse, and then I did a couple of headshots with her and then I came back home I edited everything. I just sent her the entire gallery because it was like you know what this woman is like in demand in my area and I want her to have a really good experience. So I'm okay. What I the time and energy I put that I could have put towards Facebook ads to get a session. I'd rather just do a complimentary session and then like put, bring her stuff to my platform, give her her photos, and so she can keep talk, because she goes, she travels around to different um like uh clinics and everything, and so she's gonna be like talking about me to other people and she can use those photos on her website and then, once that blog post publishes, then it's like here's the link to it, here you go. But then also on the back end, yo is working for people that are googling and saddle fitting, and so it's like multiple things that are working for me in that regard.

Speaker 3:

But I feel like the most I've gotten the most like horse inquiries just by. It's all been organic. I've tried doing Facebook ads for it, like last year, and it just didn't work for some reason, because I feel like we talked about this too. They need to know, like and trust you, yeah, so it's like also I enjoy going to horse shows.

Speaker 3:

I'm a horsey person too, so it's been more fun to network in that regard for me than just like showing up to a networking event and like I'm a good horse photographer, hey, and like everyone's afraid of you because they're like you're not gonna photograph me naked, but I feel like that has been extreme, like the blogging in and of itself has been extremely helpful. But, like also, I got like three inquiries yesterday and I'm not really like like for horse things and I'm not like pushing anything right now. So I thought that was really cool and just asking them like how did you hear about me? It's like I did that shoot with that person last year and I was building my portfolio and they can build. It's just really cool how much reach you can get and it's starting to be like more of like a word of mouth thing, which is where I wanted to take my business in the first place.

Speaker 2:

Right, I love that. Blogging is a really big part of my business. Probably I don't even want to think we probably publish somewhere around 200 blogs a year. Sometimes it's insanity, but blogging has always been really valuable for me too, and I always have like some pushback from people like blogging isn't really in or like people don't really blog anymore. But honestly, like I've had some coaching clients that have been like, okay, fine, I'll blog, and then they start blogging and they're like, oh, this works and I can repurpose the content for my social media.

Speaker 3:

Great, and I can.

Speaker 3:

It never expires, so it like yeah you can always like oh yeah, I'm gonna go create pens around this. This blog post I made last year, yeah, really cool. It's just like this really nice little archive that talks about you and your business and like other people in their business and their boudoir shoe. And it's cool also because I feel really I have to thank you a lot because I see, because you were like you know what boudoir and horses, why aren't you doing this? And I was like I'm trying to keep them separate. I don't, I don't know, I don't like. But then you were like you need to explore that.

Speaker 3:

And I was like okay, because you're always right, okay. And so I explore it and I'm like, oh my God, this is such a beautiful genre because it doesn't have to be weird, creepy or anything. It's just like just women being women with their horses and it's just so freeing and it's just so free and it's beautiful work. And so I see my work going more into that direction. Instead of just like poses with, like here's me and my ten thousand dollar horse. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3:

Ears are forward, great, but I kind of want to like break the like. This is how like I interact with like a lot of my clients don't really show they're like this is my horse, that like I just wanted for me because this is my dream horse. And so I'm very lax when it comes to like posing the horse, because I feel like there are things that we do like as humans with horses that we pressure, we put on ourselves to be like super posy and everything photographs, but also we put those pressures on horses too, and so it's okay. Maybe the ears don't have to be forward, because we want some interaction and that's how you can also look at their emotions by their ears and like they're standing a certain way, we just want to make sure that you're okay and that you're healthy and that you're not lame, but we, you know, stand in this way.

Speaker 2:

Okay, cool, take a picture and it just make it more about the relationship than like a fancy, new, shiny car, and I appreciate and I like, yes, I remember I was like I just don't. I would think about this and be like, why isn't she doing this? And then finally I was just like, have I not said this or have I not said it strongly enough? And finally I think I was just like I just want you to try it, just do it for me, because I can see it in my head, because I think like there is always this urge to do what everyone else is doing in business and the way we're shooting and our style, and I'm always like you know, if you can create something that is so different from what everyone else is doing and stand out in that way, you're going to attract people in such a different manner, which is when the magic happens, because people are like what is this she's doing?

Speaker 2:

I've never seen anything like this. I thought she was a boudoir photographer. Wait, she does horses. Hold on. There's these pictures that have the same vibe as her boudoir work, but they're with horses. This is cool and I'm just waiting because I'm just calling it right now that you're going to start getting inquiries from women who don't own a horse and they want those portraits with a horse, so you're gonna have to buy yourself another horse.

Speaker 3:

that's the perfect model oh, yeah, I inquiries, you get first and then I can have like, oh, you want to rent out my other horse. It'll be to add on a horse, it's x amount of dollars because he doesn't know you and we need to make sure he's like, trained to be a model. Yeah, there you go um, have a trick horse that like lays down next you know, yeah, I'm really in the liberty right now, so I'm going to a clinic in two weeks.

Speaker 3:

I love that just add that it's just going to keep going and like we're just going to see how far we can take it it's going to be, and one I think the cool thing is like no one else is really doing it, right.

Speaker 2:

And if you become known for this thing that no one else is really doing and you have this style that's so organic and soft and like feminine and people from all over the country see this, they're going to be like can you come do this where I'm at? Or like, oh my gosh, I need this with my horse. And I think something really important you said during the whole marketing thing was it's relational. You are now just showing up as a person in your business and building relationships, not even in your business, but just as a person in life. Everywhere you go, with every interaction, you're just building connections with people. And then you're saying like, hey, by the way, I do this, we should do something together. Right, it doesn't feel weird or salesy, it just feels like you showing up as a person.

Speaker 2:

And I think that skill is the hardest skill to teach people, because the number one thing I hear from people is I can't book clients and I say, like, how were you putting yourself out there? And normally what they say is I'm posting on social media. But the thing is that everyone posts on social media. Social media is like a tornado in people's brains when they look at it it's so hard to catch their attention right. But real, genuine human connections in today's day and age are what people long for. So if you can make genuine connections with people the center of your business, in your marketing as well, I think that's when you will see the biggest returns on your marketing effort.

Speaker 3:

But teaching somebody to do that is hard, I mean well, I think it's a personality too, like I identify as an introvert. But if you talk to my introverted cousin she's like no, no, no, you're more like an extrovert Because I, you know, I can talk and talk and talk. When it's just like one-on-one. If I'm in a room I'm like listen, I and I have to talk to people, I will try to do anything to get out of it, and not intentionally, it's just if I'm speaking to people. But if it's like one-on-one, like this is, it's fine, I'm fine. But it's also like finding those people that, um, like, just kind of like I'm at this phase now in my life where I just like don't care if I'm like, oh my gosh, that person's gonna think I'm so weird for just starting a conversation with them.

Speaker 3:

But it's like, if we're in this like same sort of experience where it's like we're like I went to a horse show a couple weeks ago and there was this girl, I I went there to watch my trainer because I am getting into barrel racing, let's see how that goes at 40. Pray for me, anyway. But we were watching everyone in the warmup arena and it was just like, oh my gosh, that pony is so cute, did you see him and I know her, and she's like, oh my gosh, that's so-and-so, I know who they are. That pony is adorable. And then she's like well, how do you I know her? And she's like, oh my gosh, that's so-and-so, I know who they are.

Speaker 3:

That pony is adorable. And then she's like well, how do you like I saw you hanging out with Casey, how do you know her? Oh, I'm one of her lesson kids. And then, like it's funny, like I'm just I don't know, I just am like you have.

Speaker 3:

I remember I used to be like embarrassed when I would go to like the grocery store with my mom, because she's the same way where she just like she can build connections really easily and it's just like she's like you should go say hi to that boy that you used to hang out with and now he's bagging groceries and I'm no, I'm not, I'm not going to go say hi to him. Why would I do that? That? I'm not going to go say hi to her mom? Why would I do that? That's so embarrassing. But now I'm just like I will talk to anybody. It's a skill set that you have to build on your own, but it doesn't come overnight and you have to be ready for it when the time is right. But right now I'm like you either do this or you got to go back to a networking meeting and I will not do that.

Speaker 2:

I used to do this when I shot weddings. I would go to like the wedding vendor networking events and you'd all sit at a table and then you'd have to introduce to the people and then you'd have to stand up and introduce yourself in 60 seconds. And it was like I would sit in my truck and like try to convince myself not to go in and my husband would be like, Corinda, you drove an hour to go to this meeting, Get your butt out of the truck and go in.

Speaker 3:

Let's go to like the Culver's right here. It's fine, and then come home.

Speaker 2:

So I think that's really interesting what you said, because I think a lot of photographers are introverts. I am an introvert. Put me in a one-on-one situation, I'm good. Put me in a room full of a hundred people and I'm like who do I talk to? Everyone looks scary, Everyone's scary. Yeah, but, like you know, you just have to sometimes learn the tools and the skill set to deal with it.

Speaker 2:

I think there's a way to learn everything, like you can learn human interaction, you can learn how to start conversations, you can learn all these skills, but you have to decide like, hey, I want to learn how to do this thing.

Speaker 2:

And then you have to be willing to do the scary thing, which is put yourself in social situations, which means you cannot sit behind your computer all day long and say I'm marketing, no, you have to, like, get your butt out of your house and put yourself in situations where you're going to meet the right people. So if your clients are going to Pilates and that's where they go in their spare time, then get your butt in a Pilates class and go meet everybody, and you go to a different class time every week so you can meet all the people. Or, like, if your clients hang out at the coffee shop. Go sit and work at the coffee shop and strike up a conversation with the stranger behind you Like. Those are things that work in today's day and age, above spending $100 on a Facebook ad to get one lead and then the lead is crazy, right.

Speaker 3:

Yes, but also like just to add to that, like if you don't know what to say to people yes, but also like just to add to that like if you don't know what to say to people. Where here's the thing, too, is I had to investigate where my people were, but also, like figure out. Like you know, I just got back into writing my gosh, it's been three months, oh, it's three years now, but it was like I know I want to work with horse people. Where can I be? Where can I go to talk to people? Where it feels more natural, instead of me being like hey, so you want to do a food bar shoot?

Speaker 3:

No, we're going to just shoot horses for, photograph horses for a little bit and explore this world, and it's a world that I like to get into too. So it's easier for me, like when you're on a phone call or if you're like in person with people tell me about your horse, what you ride like. I want to hear all about it. Have you always been into horses and asking those, like engaging conversations that aren't like a yes or no response, and people love talking about their animals and their. I mean, I know I do like for sure it's a.

Speaker 2:

It's a real thing. It's like having conversations with friends and just acting like you just met your long lost friend and you're like, wait, where have you been my whole life? And I hate fake people. So I will. I'll be honest, I really hate fake people like my calling my mom. My mom is not a fake person. My mom is really genuine. But she will talk to any random person, just like you were saying your mom does, and like, like my mom and my sister one of my sisters they're huggers, so they like hug people they don't know and I'm like, and they talk to them and I'm like that's horrific. I'm like I'll hug somebody after I talk to them for an hour, but not when I first meet them. But like that's just not who I am and to me that feels really disingenuine, even though, like for my mom and sister, that's just who they are as people. They're genuine people, but they just are that person. So I will say, like everyone has their own way right, and regardless of how cringy this sounds to you of just talking to strangers, just try it. And my challenge would be to anyone listening to this Next time you're on public, I want you to look at a random stranger and I want you to pay them a compliment.

Speaker 2:

So stranger and I want you to pay them a compliment. So look at them and be like oh my gosh, I love that romper you're wearing. That is so cute. Where did you get that Right? Nobody's going to be creeped out that you gave them a compliment. Oh my gosh, I love your earrings. They're so stunning. Your hair is the best color. Oh my gosh, I'm obsessed with that. Like, say something kind to them.

Speaker 2:

And I think I'm on the receiving end of this a lot because my crazy hair. People randomly talk to me all the time and my husband's like Karinda, did you hear that person? They just talked to you and I'm like, oh no, I didn't even hear them because I'm like in la la land. But like, when people say things about my hair, I'm never like, oh, I'm like, oh my gosh, thank you, that's so nice, right? And then I'll have random of question I want to ask you.

Speaker 2:

So, for those of you listening, bethany is in my master your mind and coach my met. I can't talk today. Master your mind and money coaching program, which is our higher ends coaching program. It's our elevated program with one-on-one support, with group component, with like so much course content that I lose track of how many hours it is every time I think about it, because it's just a lot. So, bethany, for anybody who's listening to this, do you want to kind of tell them what that journey was like for you? I know earlier, before we started recording, you said the group coaching calls were like the best thing ever. So kind of tell them what your experience was like in the coaching program.

Speaker 3:

So I was really interested in like diving deep into some of the content, but also I felt like I needed this, like I don't feel, like I knew I needed some kind of community to kind of like help me feel like, because I was in this spot where it was like I'm coming back to my career, but are things still the same? Because they can change so frequently within the photo industry that it's like I don't want to be dated. I don't want these be dated, I don't want these like like the systems I'm doing now don't feel authentic to me. Like I need a community of people and a mentor to help kind of guide me in the direction of like to like bounce ideas off of and to like hey, I have this wild idea, what do you think about it. And I went into that like trying to figure out systems that also can work for me that I knew weren't working. Like the. It was like Facebook ads, those sorts of things, things I wasn't fully integrating into my business just yet.

Speaker 3:

So there's like q&a.

Speaker 3:

Like you go to the, go into the course, you, you can work through the content if you want, and then you can talk about it during q a, but q and a's are we dive deep?

Speaker 3:

Because it's like, okay, like I have, I have an idea of what I want to ask during this time, but, okay, I know that this other person, like I want to hear, I also want to hear, like, what other people are working through, because it's like, even if it's something that, like I may already have a handle on, they're going to look at it from a different perspective and ask it differently.

Speaker 3:

And then your feedback to the way that they're doing it is like it just like builds on top of each other and it's like, okay, well, this is working for them like this. Well, what if I bring it in to like, like with what I'm doing and do it like this? And then it can be like it'll look like this, and then so it's like I have notes during the Q&A's, but then it's like I have to go. I had I had to sleep on it first, and then I come back and then I'll like write down like what came during that time where my brain was digesting all that information, because there's a lot of content that's really, really good in there, but the Q&As are like the icing on the cake.

Speaker 2:

I love that. You said that. It's funny Like people always say they love the Q&As, but I think you're the first person that's been like the Q&As are like the best thing ever. I love the way you said that. Okay, so how out of curiosity, because I always love to ask this question I think there's like over. There's over 60 hours worth of videos in the content. There's a ton. How much of the content did you actually get through? Do you feel like you got through almost all of it or do you feel like you skipped around a little bit in the content?

Speaker 3:

I skipped around. I did do the wall art videos first because that was something that was I really wanted to implement more of. I love selling wall art, but I felt like there was something in my process that I wasn't, that I was missing, and so that really helped like kind of fill those holes that I had when it was. That was like a really huge takeaway. But also, like I mean I feel like in any program you're just like everyone's, just like let's just see what the marketing is Like, like let's just not look at anything else and just go straight to marketing.

Speaker 3:

But I tried really hard to go through and like watch all of the stuff leading up to the marketing videos, because it's like marketing is like the sexiest thing to talk about and it's like you can get. It's fine, like we will work on that later. Focus on these steps, make sure you're hitting these touch points and then you can go, after you finish these, where it's like setting up your business, you can go buck wild and marketing and see how it works. Because if you don't have that foundation set and you try to market, you're gonna be burnt out because you skipped certain steps. And yeah, that's how I navigated it, and then I tried to make Q&As whenever I could, because it was just like chef's kiss, it was so good.

Speaker 2:

I love that. So talk to me about your one-on-one calls. I kind of feel like the Q&As are like many one-on-one calls with everyone on there together, like community one-on-one calls, because we really dive into the topics. But what were your actual like one-on-one calls like for you?

Speaker 3:

So the Q&As were like, they were sparking and like making, like inspiring to me. Of course, we can ask questions during Q&A, but like to really hone in and refine what it is that you get from those like the like, the collection of the Q and A's and the course content, and it kind of helps you I'm talking about you, like you're like you're not here, but she helps you kind of refine your idea of like whatever it is that has come up from those conversations for you. And it's funny, cause I'm like this is how I think I'm going to do it. And she's like no, actually, if you do it like this, this is the best. I think it will work out great for you. And then you implement it and it's like oh yeah, that's perfect, I love it. Okay, but like this is a new structure that I'm doing within my business. This is great.

Speaker 2:

I love that, and I also feel like everyone's businesses are so different and everyone is so different, and that's something I try really hard to do is like I want to know who you are, what you actually are doing, what you believe in, because then when we're on those calls like if you could ask me a question, corey could ask me a question and Austin could ask me the same question on a Q&A, and for each and every one of you, like, my answer is going to be slightly different because you are not them right, and so I think that's the really powerful part of all of it is like you have the knowledge, you come get the ideas and the group kind of portion on the Q&A, but you also have something that's customized for you and leaning towards what you do, and I think sometimes we're really good at missing something that's right in front of our face in our own business, and we need somebody that's around us enough and knows us enough that they're going to be like what the heck are you doing?

Speaker 2:

This is right here in front of you and you're just like choosing to ignore that. This is such a cool idea and it's dangling in front of your face, and I think that that's where some of the magical stuff happens inside the program is in those moments when you just need somebody to look at you and be like hello, it's right here, yeah, right, so, yeah, I love that. So what would you say to somebody who's considering, like, joining a coaching program with me or getting the support they need in their business? Like, what is your advice to them about how to like? Should I do it, should I not do it? Is it going to be worth it? How do I know who the right person is? All of those fears that come up when you're thinking about getting help in your business.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I feel like you need like. When you're looking for that, you need to find the person that you're going to be meshed with, Because there's a bunch of and I am like I'm guilty of this too it's really easy to constantly consume photography education. With that being said, everyone is going to be like they want you to speak to them and not speak to them, but you want, you want to be able to like the person that you are learning from, and I feel like that's really important to investigate that. But when you do find that person whether it's Corinda, whether it's whoever else is out there invest in it. Don't look back, because that was your initial, that was your gut telling you yeah, this is, and the thing is, too, it's always like a price issue of like, because I saw this when I was teaching, too. You like, oh yeah, like, this is like, and the thing is, too, is like. It's always like a price issue of like, because I saw this when I was teaching to was like well, can you make this less expensive? Can you do this? So this, and it's like it shouldn't.

Speaker 3:

I feel like it's always worth it to spend more money on your coach that you really like and that you can connect with, because you're going to be getting that back tenfold within your business and it's going to be worth it in the end. Even though it might feel like a big, scary purchase, it's always worth it because you're learning something new that you didn't know before, and even if you did know something that you know this goes for not just Corinda, but, like any educator, you're going to learn. Let me back up a little bit, because I didn't. I learned this more with Corinda when it came to things that things that I already had a grasp on, but then I like reinvestigated them again.

Speaker 3:

Because of these Q and A's and working with Corinda, yeah, you see things from a different perspective and how it can work for you, and it's it's so worth it to educate yourself on that and to educate yourself in your industry that you're interested in. And also, if you don't know where to go, that's why you need to invest in a coach that's going to help you get there, and you might as well do a coach that. You might as well work with a coach that has been there and is doing the thing walking the walk, talking the talk that you want to take your business to. Yeah, Period.

Speaker 2:

I love that. I love that. Okay, here's an interesting question. What do you think is different? You've been in this industry for a long time, okay, so you've probably. You said you've consumed a lot of courses. Oh yeah, what do you think is different about kind of the process you went through in my program versus things you've done in the past with other courses or programs or coaches in the past?

Speaker 3:

The connection piece, like you emphasize on that a lot, and that was probably the most important lesson that I learned is to dive in deeper with people. Yeah, I love.

Speaker 2:

That. That's really powerful, it's important and like I try really hard, like I try so hard to do that with my coaching clients and I always say this to my's important and like I try really hard, like I try so hard to do that with my coaching clients and I always say this to my coaching clients and you know the same thing applies to my portrait clients. I show up for you as much as you show up for yourself and I try to like I try to echo that in my coaching business with y'all. But I also try to do that with my portrait clients and sometimes it gets messy. Sometimes there are tears on coaching calls, sometimes there's things that come up that are not pleasant. Sometimes I have to kick you in the butt and tell you to get over yourself on coaching calls.

Speaker 2:

But like I think we all need that and I think we need that when we're trying to do something big and we're trying, we're on a journey of something. Sometimes we just need someone in our corner and I think the same thing lies with our portrait clients. Our need someone in our corner and I think the same thing lies with our portrait clients, our portrait clients. Doing the portrait session is scary, it's uncomfortable and they need us in their corner to encourage them and support them and guide them, and I think it's just an important life thing to do in general, everywhere you go, is just be supportive and encouraging and nice and kind and doing those things for people. I love that you took that away from the program and that that's something that really stood out for me. Did you have something you wanted to say? I could see it in your face.

Speaker 3:

Well, I just wanted to add on to it, too, that no one's going to give a hootenanny about this business more than you. If you feel like having a photography business where you're consistently getting bookings, consistently generating an income from doing what you love, you have to be able to get to the point where you're leveling up and showing up for yourself because no one else is going to do it for you.

Speaker 2:

I think this is important, even someone who's been doing this for over 10 years. You're still growing, you're still learning, you're still looking for the next step or the next elevation or the next like how can I do this better or more efficiently? It's a never ending journey, right? But at the same time, there's a point when you learn to start trusting yourself more and you trust like I have the knowledge and I have the skill to continue to grow and when I need the help and I need the support, I will know that I need the support, whereas in the beginning you're like a baby giraffe trying to walk. That's like where are my legs? I don't know what's happening, I'm in auto, I can't Right, like that's how it feels in the beginning.

Speaker 2:

So I find that really interesting, just like seeing how many of my coaching clients in Master your Mind and Money have been around the block, have done this for a while, who've taught other people. I have a couple of people in my program right now that are educators and teach other people and they just were like hey, corinda, I need help, can you help me? And I'm like, yeah, let's do this because I get it. It's also lonely, right. It's lonely when you get to a certain level and you feel like, where do I go? I just need some support. So I think, regardless of where you're at in your business, there's a place for help and there's a place for support, and I think just don't be afraid to ask for it when you need it.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely, and you need to recognize when you need help. That was my biggest issue too.

Speaker 2:

Don't wait till you're totally burnt out and quitting for a year. Yeah, learn from my mistakes. I love that. Well, it has been so good chatting with you today, bethany. If anyone wants to find you and follow you and see what you're up to, how can they find you online?

Speaker 3:

So you can go to bethanyquinncom. I want to Instagram and Facebook at Bethany Quinn Studios. And then I am starting up my new podcast in YouTube called this Photographer Life.

Speaker 2:

I love it. That'll be amazing. I cannot wait to follow along on that journey with you. Well, thanks for joining us. I hope you have an amazing week and I know people are going to love what you had to share here. If you love something that Bethany said or you resonated with this, send Bethany a message, tell her thank you for being on the podcast, tell her what you loved hearing from her and also, if you have questions about this podcast, feel free to reach out to us as well. Bye, guys.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to support the podcast, please make sure you share it on social media or leave a rating and review. As always, you can check out the links and resources in the show notes over at masteryourmindmoneycom. To catch all the latest from me, you can follow me on Instagram at masteryourmindmoney and don't forget to join our free Facebook group Photography Business Tune-Up with Corinda Kay. Thanks again and I'll see you next time.