The Tragic Death of Mayor Bubba Copeland | Ep 60 | Moral Combat

In episode 60 of The Moral Combat Podcast, hosts Nathaniel and Zach delve into the complex and tragic tale of Mayor Phil "Bubba" Copeland of Smiths Station, Alabama. They begin by paying tribute to Copeland, a multifaceted community leader, pastor, and business owner. The focus shifts to the devastating impact of an exposé by 1819 News, which publicized Copeland's secret online persona, "Brittany Blair," and his activities in cross-dressing and erotic writing. Despite his pleas for privacy, the news outlet's explicit revelations led to Copeland's suicide, a profound loss that the hosts reflect on with deep empathy. Nathaniel and Zach criticize the news outlet for its unethical journalism and its insensitive handling of LGBTQ issues, particularly in conservative and religious contexts. They underscore the episode's sobering themes by discussing mental health resources and suicide prevention, juxtaposing this with a lighter, more personal segment where they play MarioKart 64, reminiscing about childhood and seeking to foster a sense of connection with their audience. 

 Suicide Resources:

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Sonoma County Resources:

Mental Health Crisis Services: Offers a 24-hour toll-free suicide prevention hotline for Sonoma County residents at (855) 587-6373, administered by the North Bay Suicide Prevention Program of Buckelew Programs.
 Sonoma County Crisis Line: Available 24/7 at (707) 576-8181. They also have a Crisis Stabilization Unit located at 2225 Challenger Way, Santa Rosa, CA 95407.
 Behavioral Health Division of Sonoma County: Offers a 24-hour Access Line at (707) 565-6900 or toll-free at 800-870-8786. Additionally, they provide a 24-hour Suicide Prevention Call or Text service at 988 or Chat at 988lifeline.org.
 
National Resources:

National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: Call or text 988 or chat online at 988lifeline.org for 24/7 support .
Veterans Crisis Line: Veterans can call 988 and press 1, text to 838255, or chat online for 24/7 support .
 Suicide Prevention Resource Center (SPRC): Offers a variety of resources and information on suicide prevention at sprc.org 

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epe0 fine. Well, hello there, Mortal Kombat fans. Everyone. So happy to have you here. My name is Nathan and I am Zack. We are siblings and you're listening to the podcast that mostly focuses on trauma from our past, our personal trauma. Hmm. Religious trauma. Indeed. We both come from the Christian evangelical church because we were born from Christian parents. Who are. Pastors, who we both walked away from the Christian religion many, many, many years ago last year for Zachary, more years for me. Here we are. Meeting in the middle in one of the greatest studios in the world, Skyline in the garage together as we discuss our pasts and connect more as siblings and to strengthen our family bond together. As you could imagine, there have been cracks and dents and what have you from the family since we have walked away. Happy to have everybody here. So thanks for joining us. Thanks for being here. If you missed us last week, that's because we are making some changes to our podcast. Mm hmm. What are those changes, Zachary? We would like to bring you all a, well, more well-produced show. We we can kind of find ourselves winging it most weeks. It is tough to do every single Sunday, especially when you're talking about your own personal trauma. And we have wanted to make a change where we're in a start podcasting every other week. And on our off weeks, we're going to be preparing the podcast, preparing like the podcast we have prepared for tonight. Yes, they call that pre-production. Yes. We've always been like stellar at post-production. My deejaying is mostly planning the set, producing music, mixing and mastering. There is the performance, but there's so much back of house post-production. We're not the greatest pre-production, just being honest. So we're trying to give more weight to the areas that we're not the greatest, that that we know We need to give more time and energy for this podcast. We've also been mentioning a lot that we're going to be doing interviews soon and to be able to do that, we need to be able to have the time and resources to make that happen. Indeed. And Zachary and I are the ones, you know, producing, editing, hosting, sharing, expressing, acting, delivering everything that you see and hear on this podcast. And we want to deliver more now, as always, right now in recent News Daily, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there is the horrific genocide happening in Gaza and in Palestine. And another place Zachary and I have found ourselves is wanting to be more educated and more involved in any ways that we can see fit with this crisis that has been going on for a hundred years. We both have become more educated and I have been lucky enough to join some more zoom classes and meetings from professors and other people that have degrees in Middle Eastern studies. And so I'm starting to get more of my head wrapped around the history of all of this. We also feel a little bit sour stomach from not delivering that information. More on this podcast and using our platform as a resource for us to learn more and also to use our voice. Where we stand and where our values are as individuals, as privileged men. And we've identified most of our lives and we're going to do better on trying to use our platform here as a place to get that information, to share that information with you, and to really organically and honestly learn together. It just feels so weird not doing that totally free Palestine definitely. Cease fire. Immediately. Although I know Keep Hope Alive is important. It doesn't seem like that's happening anytime soon, nor has that ever happened in the past. And so very, very soon, I think we are going to be able to land an interview with a very well-educated individual with Middle Eastern studies, who is a documentary director and creator, and has shared their information documenting around the world for like ten years now or five years or however long it's been out. But they made it for over ten years. I won't say too much more, but just look forward also for what we're trying to build here on the podcast that what we feel is really important. Twitter is very important, especially right now. Anything else you want to say about that. Moral combat stance of Palestine? Free Palestine, Free Palestine? Definitely. We just had this past weekend, we went to the San Francisco protest for freeing Palestine and ceasing fire and 50,000 people showed up and it was the biggest protest I've ever been a part of. And I also did a Black Lives Matter protest here in the county that we live in, and that was another huge one. But this one was like no other. And so it is yeah, it's a melancholy feeling because there's a lot of people in support of freedom of religion and freedom to free Palestine and ceasefire. And it's not happening, but it's nice to see a lot of people in agreeance on the same thing. Yeah, I think that that's internationally across the world. Yeah. And at least that's what I'm seeing is there's a lot of voices, people in the communities, people of these countries raising their voices. And as we know, most governments don't stand by, their people don't act. They don't the governments are not the people themselves. They kind of govern themselves and they decide things based on what they think is best for their views of the world and control in power. Yeah, that protest was amazing and our protests happening daily. And as more I'm learning in this history is the refugees in Gaza, the people of Gaza and all over Palestine, specifically in Gaza, have been protesting for literally like 20 years every week. And so I feel pretty ridiculous getting caught up to all this now. And with our history and the way we were raised in the Christian evangelical church. If any of you are wondering why is it if you were also raised with a Christian background, why is it so easy to know the history of Zionism and the chosen people? I think it's all interconnected. This is not a religious war, but God damn, there's a lot of religion that has been forcing information and viewpoints and stigmas and very wrong history in our lives for a long time. And so we both come out of a Judeo-Christian historical family. And that's why we also find our platform here is extremely important to be using for what we're learning, what we can try to be more clear at, and how to be more useful in this world. Totally. When you feel so useless, total. So if you don't like that or if you don't stand by that honestly. Honestly, just don't follow us. Then we. Don't. We don't need you as a subscriber. Sadly, I am so sorry. Or I would just advise you to do like I mean, that's what you want. More reason. It's what you want to say. But I do. I do know that there are these are things that do, I think, break people apart. It's like. Yeah, but I mean, I don't support genocide. Of course not. And so I fully believe that if you're standing with Israel, you're supporting genocide right now. Yeah. So it's just yeah, it's black and white, sadly. And we do we talk about the whole we were raised black and white, but this situation is, is black and white. It feels that way. Yeah. It feels so complicated, but it's simple. I mean, it probably is more complicated than it could ever have been. But I think I'm excited for who's going to. Come on. Yeah. You know, hopefully we can really if we can nail this down. Yeah, the history is all there. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. And I've had some people tell me some of the history too, and it's so much history it doesn't fully absorb. But everything I hear, I'm just like free Palestine to free Palestine. Yeah. And that's why I think like, like you and I both are in different places with how we're receiving information, how we're learning and what we're putting our selves in. And then we meet every week or now every other week or. Still every week for us because we're meeting up to plan. Yeah, yeah. But it's like we meet every week to, like, talk about our lives and where we're at and how we feel about what's going on in the world. And so we both are also educating each other just based on like what we're becoming more aware of and our own personal connections to this history. Mm hmm. Yeah. We told ourselves we'd only talk for a few minutes, but. Oh, wow. And I meant, okay, that's my phone. That's my phone. We have a different type of, I guess today. Satellite phone. Yeah, we're going to cut it. Will cut it there. And we're going to jump into our episode today. And in today's episode, we're presenting to you a deep dive, if you will, a story that was recently and all of our news, whether you saw it or not, it depends what social media platforms are use or what trended in your face at that day. Because what I saw was in this story went up. It went away in a day. And I called Zack and I said as we decided to do different podcast styles and try to bring new content that isn't just our personal drama. We talked about the story together and it seemed very pertinent that it connected to our podcast and was just would create a good conversation. And so here we bring to you the tragic death of Mayor f L Bubba Copeland. Let's get started. Let's jump. Buckle up. If you're watching, buckle up. If you're listening, it's story time. This is a very tragic story. It's very sad, of course, of the very sad ending. Let's give a little backdrop on who this mayor fellow, Bobo Copeland, was in the small town of Smiths Station, Alabama. Alabama Mayor Phil Bubba Copeland left a significant mark through his dedicated public service, starting with his influential role on the Lee County Board of Education, his tenure there from 2005 to 2016, overseeing the local school zone laid a strong foundation for his later role as mayor elected in 2016. Copeland brought a vision that balanced growth with maintaining the town's small town charm. His strategic approach, exemplified by his decision to pause his political career in 2012 and his initiatives as mayor, demonstrated a comprehensive understanding of governance. Copeland's leadership, particularly shown during the F EF four tornado crisis in 2019, where his effective management and collaboration with national figures like President Trump earned him recognition from the East Alabama Alabama Chamber of Commerce. I keep saying Alabama and Alabama and my fiance's Southern family's accents coming in this manner that we're talking about in that little backdrop there a little bit is is this is a really sad story of an individual that ended up taking their own life very recently in the beginning of this month, who was a mayor, a pastor, a husband, father, stepfather, and why they took their own lives is why got this news story out. And what really kind of let Zach and I, too, want to talk about this story more. Here's a quote from Mayor Phil Bubba Copeland. Give you a little more of this personality, if you will. I want to work with the businesses we have in this city to help them grow and understand their needs, he told the Columbus Ledger Inquirer. But I want to create a chamber of commerce and go outside the city and recruit new businesses. This place could blow up if we had somebody with Vision. And Bubba Copeland, mayor of Alabama. Copeland definitely had a lot of vision for his small, like maybe 5000 people in this town. It was 5000 people, 5000 people in this very small Alabama town. Smiths Station. Smith Station. Beyond his political career, Copeland was also a pastor of First Baptist Church in Phenix City and owned the country market in Salem, Alabama. Master Businessman These roles showcased his multifaceted abilities, balancing spiritual guidance. Some would say, and entrepreneurial savvy. This dude was a businessman, a spiritual pastor. We know a little bit about that. His presence in both spiritual and business sectors of the town built trust and reinforced his reputation as a leader committed to the community's well-being. Another quote from Mayor Floyd Bubba Copeland. They say, I always say we are Mayberry, 2023, he said during a march interview with columnist Columbus WRVO news station. It really is like everybody knows your name. You know, everybody dies famous in a small town. That's what it is. It is Friday Night Lights and his mama's apple pie. Our community is very, very low crime, very low drug abuse. Our number one problem is suicide. It is sad. I think a lot of it has to do with military. I think some of it has to do with social media and the reality of that. That's the number one problem we have. This is a quote literally from a. If Alabama Copeland finishing this sort of just personality history of him, if you will, are of them. In his personal life, Copeland's journey included two marriages and embracing the role of a father and a stepfather, navigating the complexities of a blended family. However, the revelation of his secret online persona where he engaged in drag brought unforeseen challenges in public scrutiny, particularly affecting his family life. This exposure exposure placed his family, including his wife and children, under a public microscope, testing their resilience and adaptability. Copeland's personal struggles highlighted the difficult balance between personal and public personal persona and private family life, especially under the intense scrutiny of media and public opinion. Mayor Phil Bubba Copeland A sweet, pretty basic, gentle dude, right? And in. I mean, he's like as southern as it. Gets. Very southern and mama's apple pie. Southern mama's apple pie, Southern means. I wrote that kind of put that together. And as a way, just to give this gentleman, this individual just more of a background because the story got released that this gentleman. Well, are you in a dispute out now? Don't we have more to go? No, that's at the end of our like, okay, story background. But I think, like, the story's everywhere. Yeah, you know, but. But the story only says one side. That's why it's so important that we knew who this person was. Exactly. A very literally. All the research that can. I did. And God damn it, we did a lot of research. It was so hard to find anything but like the life of a pretty. Decent, pretty hardworking, devoted. Normal, married man. You know, like, they have their they and they live in the small town of Alabama. They have this desire to be political and go into politics. They go in education. They're really for the people. By the people. For the people. Yeah. His community loved him. This tiny town loved their mayor. They made it on the big screen, made it on the big national news when they talks. When we brought up that they had a really bad tornado, really bad tornado, and it ripped their small town up and he kind of spearheaded all of that, not natural disaster relief and funding and what have you. And president old school President Trump made his way over there and that's what got him. Boom. National fame. Yes. Now, especially in the republic and conservative Christian right winged world, we would never talk about somebody like this in our cast who was like a conservative right wing Republican, Christian pastor. Now, this is like this is a diversion that triggers us. Yeah, 100% by there's so much more than that meets the eye. And then what meets the eye with these with with everybody. You never know when anyone's going through. Yeah. The next part of the story is what jumps into the meat. It jumps into the sad, tragic death of Bubba Copeland and it talks. You know, this brings up our conversation of us using this story to talk about the impacts of social media, mental health, religious walls, conservative walls. Yeah, the pressures of public outing, outing, because this there's this whole thing of the MeToo movement powerful, effective of finally, people who have never had a voice have a voice now, and it's shutting down the powerful people that are like rapists. Yeah, sex junkie, all this mother fuckers. Hmm. Then there's, like, this other part of this, like, outing, right? Where you out someone's private life that has nothing does not hurting anybody. It's not doing any harm. It's literally not supposed to be known. It's none of your business. And there's media sources, right, that are trying to dig up shit on public faces all the time. Means I can talk about this and at some point they're going to find dirt on us. Great. But our dirt's not that bad. No, no. And I wouldn't even classify as this as bad dirt. It's just. But I'm just saying that, like, space, community, culture, the state, everything matters. So if you are a public figure in a southern, small, sweet town of Alabama and and you're a pastor, you're a business owner, like the local market, you own the local market, well, how much better can you get on paper right? This is like top to bottom, a perfect conservative leader. They're involved in their community. They pray for their community. They lead their community. Their pastor in their community. Their pastor. Every minute they pray all that. Yeah, it's little. The beginning of this month, there was a conservative news story or conservative news outlet, which we've talked a lot on this podcast. We say whatever the fuck we want, and this gave us an opportunity to really kind of for me to look into more of the conservative, these tiny conservative news outlets that are actually out there and yeah, it's really interesting trying to kind of like diving into the news or diving into the culture of the side that Zach and I like. We don't want to draw lines or have sides, but like we we pretty much talk a lot against the Christian evangelical church here. Yeah and so anything like that Baptist Pentecostal, whatever church it is, it's like that's you know but this story kind of gave me a softer spot for just the fact that we're all frickin human. Yeah, we're just human beings. So beginning of this month, there was a very conservative news station that literally when I went to their website there called 19. Ten or 18, 1819 News. Yes. Got a hold of some pictures and an online portfolio of a Copeland who would supposedly at night secretly in their lives with their wife, with their family, would dress, drag and. And write erotica. And write erotica. And they had a Reddit and Instagram. And why do we know this will? Because literally this conservative news outlet didn't just share a picture. They literally shared every portfolio, every online thing with quotes, and they just revealed this secret part of this mayor's life. And the most bioweapon possible bubble. Copeland knew that this article was going to come out. They they contacted him and said, Hey, we know we found this information online. We're going to release an article. And he pleaded them, Please don't release this. This is my private life. This is going to ruin my friendship, put my family in danger. This is going to put all of us in danger. They said, fuck it, we don't fucking care. And they did it. Yeah. So I'm going to read our next little written snippet that talks about really what this is all about. In a recent development reported by the conservative news outlet 1819 News, it was revealed Bubba Copeland led a double life online under the pseudonym Brittany Blair. Summerlin Copeland identified as a transitioning transgender curvy girl. Real quick, mind you, what I found very interesting looking into this story and the articles written by the conservative news outlets was the immense amount of weight that was put on this word transgender. Yeah, very obvious that at least from what we're seeing from the situation, this person was not transgender. They were dressing in drag at night. They're cross-dressing. Cross-Dressing and had a second. Which if you know, if you know anything about the LGBTQ community, that's not the same thing as being transgender. Now. It's a very big issue. Huge. And it really hurts people that are identify as transgender, that are transitioning. I don't we don't know Copeland personally, and we only know all the information that we could find online. Okay. That's what is deep dive was and this individual, the mayor did put on their description was this now transitioning transgender curvy girl. So little do we know they were maybe very secretly were transitioning. Yeah, we don't know. But we did find a lot of that term being misused in these conservative news outlets. Transgender seems to be the most hottest word to use. That has to do with anything with a man identifying as anything but a man. Yeah. They can't take a man that can handle it. It's crazy. It is. And they cannot handle it. They can't. According to the blog, he maintained an active presence on Reddit and a private Instagram account. Under this identity. Tragically, the story took a turn when, during a welfare check, Copeland tragically ended his life in the presence of the police, as confirmed by the Lee County Sheriff's Office. So they very sadly shot themselves literally in front of the police in response to this event. First Baptist Church expressed gratitude for the community's support through a Facebook post. They said, Thank you for all your prayers and expressions of sympathy and support. First and foremost, we ask that you keep Pastor Bubba Copeland's family in your prayers today and in the days ahead. We greatly appreciate your messages of encouragement. Please continue to pray for us as we move forward in sharing God's love to our people. Pray. Keep praying. The church said. He was a. Pastor and they just said, thank you for your prayers. Yeah, thanks for praying. Not about how did this happen. Yeah. Prior to this incident, Copeland addressed his congregation about the situation and this video is online and a livestream sermon. On Wednesday, he stated, I've been the object of an Internet attack. He mentioned having having taken photos with his wife in their home and expressed regret for any embarrassment caused by his private and personal life. 1819 News reported that Copeland acknowledged his involvement with the social media accounts, describing them as a means of stress relief, a hobby and a fantasy. He had deleted these accounts following contact from the news blog and requested that the details not be publicized. This is the actual. Time frame, if you will, when this all of what we're talking about went down three days. November 1st, 2023, the conservative news outlet 1890 News published an exposé revealing Mayor Copeland's secret life as a here we go again transgender woman online. Although not specifically transgender, this revelation included explicit photos and descriptions of his online activities. That article still online November 2nd. The day following the exposé, Copeland addressed his congregation at the First Baptist Church of Phenix City. So it's like a 21 day news articles out Bam! You mean you would have two men? How could you not? Yeah, I mean, and we yeah. I mean, we've been a part of the church. We know how bad this would be. Yeah, And we've seen a lot when growing up in the church and they talked about eating meat. I mean, there is no secret now. No. During this address, he apologized for his actions and the controversy caused by the exposure of his online activities. It's horrible. So sad. Next day. November 3rd, 2023, Mayor Copeland tragically committed suicide. His death was a direct consequence of the distress and public scrutiny following the explosion. Thanks for reading all that, Nathaniel. I was a lot. Thanks for helping me write it. Yeah, I'm here to help. And that's the show. And I'm just. Getting. Yeah. So in a nutshell, Mayor Bubba Copeland, sweet man identified as a man, right? He's always identifying as a man and then, uh, and is amazing in his communities. Loved even makes it Trump famous. Yeah. Um, you weren't you, you were the one that was talking to me, though, about how Mayor Copeland was also, like, heavily involved. You know, I read that quote from him about mental health and how suicide was the number one death. In their in their town. In their tiny town. Town of 5000. Their number one cause of death was suicide. And there was a big suicide from a student at the Smiths station, school or high school, whatever is. In 2019, suicide there made a big impact. Made a big impact on him and other students and staff, and he would lead them to put signs on the side of the roads that would be like keep hope alive. And people that love you all over the roads there in town. And then he became a big like suicide advocate. By bringing resources to the town, getting more mental health resources and funding and like, Yeah, which like also just makes this situation so much more heavy. Yeah. And so much in our case, we're like pretty pissed off at the right. You pissed off with Christian right people and I just have like so much I actually have after like with this story just have been feeling like a lot of love, wishing that, like, this person should have gotten after this. Yeah, and I'm sure they did, but not. I don't know. I mean, I would like to know how the church handled it. And I, I'd like to know more info. Like we said, we dug very, very deep in the we only could find this much and so we found. So much on the pretty amazing life he lived. I guess. Yeah, he achieved a lot and he was a very hard working and he loved his town so much. Yeah, he gave a lot to his town and he's having a mayor that any small town or city or would want. It's like you want somebody that's actually going to do what they say. Yeah. And do what makes this story so really actually important, especially for this podcast, is there are so many people in this religion of Christianity and I'm going to just keep it at that because that's what I know and I don't want to state it for any other religion, but I know for Christianity there are so many people that when they get outed or when they're not accepted for being gay or transgender or just cross-dressing on the Internet and they feel the guilt and the shame because their religion doesn't accept them anymore, so they kill themselves. That's such a common story. This is just one of them. And this one's brutal news article released His Secret Life, and it ends this tragically. But this is happening all the time, and it's not being released on a news article. It's just someone's son or daughter that gets outed in their own way or however that happens and they end their life. And man, I remember being a part of the faith and and thinking that these types of people were so sick and they needed Jesus to save them. And it's just so the opposite. It's that it was like, if you could go back and what would you say to yourself now if that that kid was in front of you, What would you say. My younger self, about that? Oh, nothing. I could say would change my mind. And I needed to I needed to surround myself with the LGBTQ community enough to know that it wasn't what I was taught, which we've had. We talk about that on a previous podcast, but my younger self is blind and man the same way a lot of these pastors and like people that are raised in this religion are blinded to it and there is nothing wrong with being who you are meant to be. There's just absolutely nothing wrong with it. And the religion loves to make it wrong and Jesus loves to tell you who to love. God loves to tell you who to love. And if a God of love has to tell you who to love, it's not that loving right? I think you made a really serious point that this is happening all the time on many different levels and this is just a very hot story because it's a Southern mayor who like all these things. And then on the in their dark life and their secret top secret dark life, it's it's like it's so bad. It's so top secret that it the the the outing of it, you know, I mean I imagine he they they probably in then Trump knew them well with Trump thing right. The pressures of these leaders you know like you're Trump makes me feel so proud when they came to mar my town but now Trump knows that I cross-dress at night. It's like I don't think like and. I think Trump's got a lot going on in his life right now. He probably doesn't even know that happen. Exactly. I'm talking about. Like, what he's at. That when I like like the like the thoughts that go through your mind when you have such crippling shame. Oh, and he they must have had so much shame. And it's so sad. They have a family. They're married. Their wife was aware like it's the public. Shame was too much for this individual to keep going. When I watched their speech to their church, one of the things above a couple and said was, I know that I'm not a beautiful man and I know I'm not a beautiful woman. And he kept saying other things. But when I heard them say that there was just this feeling of like deep down inside, I think this person's been hurting. Has been hurting. Ty Why there was such a and I know we're speculating a lot here, but why would somebody be such a huge advocate for suicide and mental health as a leader in their town and then end up falling victim to this that that crisis, you know, is like we're all patients, we all suffer. We are all going through darkness. We all have that. I don't think anyone gets out alive without dealing with that. Some people are really good and not feeling it. And this person had a really probably an amazing outlet for that. Yeah. That pain, you know, just to feel that normal ness, just to feel it, you know, they call it a fantasy, but they're being themselves safely, right? Safely. I don't have a personal Facebook anymore. Um, there was a time years ago where, like, and I'm not comparing myself to this or anything, I'm just saying that, like, public scrutiny or being like, like anything that happens online where you feel like your privacy is being jeopardized is super, super scary. It just is. So if you have it on this level, like, hey, we know that you want nobody know about this, and we're posting it for. Literally the whole world to see. And you're the center of that public sphere. The mayor, you the pastor, you own a business all in the town. And all of it will probably get scrutinized because of this one thing. I mean. How could a not? Yeah, this is a Southern conservative. It's a Southern conservative. It's Alabama. It's Alabama. It's not even just like like New Orleans Southern. It's Alabama Southern. And if you've ever been to Alabama, it's like one of the one of the more red states. I love. Alabama. It's so beautiful. Beautiful. Live there. So beautiful. Nothing a green is Alabama. Like if you're born in Mobile, it smells like oil. It is oil in the air. Why the smell? It isn't Megan's. It's like, Oh, it smells like that here. I'm like, interesting. Interesting. Wow. We're so lucky to have a more salty sweetness in our air. Yeah, It's not like poop. They call it wine and poop and fertilizer and a lot of poop. Something else you were bringing up is just about this story that the mayor also impersonated. Somebody from their town, right? He supposedly actually impersonated two people. There's these two women that came out as supposed victims. Of which, mind you, like any time there's any sort of. Right. Always people coming out to like, use this as an opportunity to get famous or get their name on something. But he supposedly you take it with a greens Lee Inslee I think it is Summer Lynne's name. So Summerlin that was part of his Brodie Summerlin was his now are their name. And she found some of her photos posted online without her permission. Links to explicit content. And another woman, an employee at a local hair salon, found her name used in an online story she believes, Copeland wrote, where she was described in graphic detail. Both women were deeply affected, but the unauthorized use of their identities in such contexts. Identities, their identities being used by the mayor as hiding bears. Which I mean, if what they're saying is true, that would be pretty messed up and pretty pissed off, too. But he's they took. Their own life. Yeah, it's a bigger deal than, you know, than him using some of their names and posting some pictures. Yeah, I don't know. I think that whatever was going on with the mayor and whatever is like, their private life, I think is like one of the things that we were doing. The story was like thinking like, this is the only part of their life that's come out not private now. Yeah. All right. So everything else, we don't know anything about them now. From what we could find, they seem like a pretty stand up individual. Mm hmm. And then there are some people that got hurt in this context or whatever. But, yeah, like you said, when it comes to the individual committing suicide, taking their own life within a matter of three days or two days of this information coming out, the writing's on the wall. They were advocating for this disease, this issue, this crisis in America, that is seriously detrimental to our population. It's in the top ten most common deaths. Oh, yeah. It's actually like higher than a lot of diseases. And I am a big person that stands by the, you know, you know, suicide by drug overdose like these, like drug addictions can lead to death, can lead to overdoses. And it's like this is like a form of just loathing, right? It's so much sadness and so that's like the final that's like the choice that ends all choices. And what I was saying was there was a time when I was on, like when I deleted my Facebook, it was all because somebody had found me and somebody else was following me that I didn't know about it. On Facebook and had been following me for like two years and it ended up biting me in the ass because they, like, knew so much about my life and they were planning something against me. And that was like crazy to experience that because I was sharing so much of my public life through blogs and our stuff. And so the way that I presented myself online was completely opposite than my truth. My truth was I was a college student, you know, I drank a lot, studied a lot, and like, but on the show we played a show as much as we could, but it was rare still. And like that, my social media persona made me look like this fucking rich rockstar. Rockstar. Yeah. And I was just living my life. I didn't realize that. I was just literally I mean, I felt the weirdness of it, but I was presenting myself in a way that wasn't truthful. I don't know. Maybe we all do with our social media account and yeah, so somebody's been like, stalking me through, through Facebook and then use that as a means to hurt me, like, really bad. And it was like, really scared me about social media. I was just like, Damn, dude, you can get really hurt if you just share your if you just share shit on here, you just always share your life. You can get hurt. Everyone can just know about you. And then it was like a couple of years or like a year after that that I was out of this bar and this homeless person came up to me and they looked younger, like my age, and they were like, Hey, you're Nathan Boston. And I was like, Whoa, whoa. And say, like, please don't like. And I was like, you know, like, it's all good and like, you're Nathaniel. But I thought they were homeless. I think they're homeless. And there's like, you're Nathaniel Boston. And I was like, How do you know my name? And they're like, Oh, Facebook. And I was like, And they're like, Yeah, you have a son, so-and-so. And they said, My son's full name. And I was like, like, Why do you know my son's? How do you know my name? Like, why are you following me? And who are you? And they're like, Come on, man. We used to like, your dad's a pastor. And they started saying things about the church. I was like, So I was like, Wait a minute, why does this random person that appears to be homeless, my full name knows my son's name. I went home that night and learned how hard it was. Delete Facebook. Tried to delete Facebook. And then I spent that week like learning the how hard it was to get rid of Facebook. I was like, Oh my God, it's so hard to get rid of it. Supposedly. Yeah, but that was like years ago and I deleted it and they changed so much on me being more honest about what am I putting online, why am I putting it online? You know, who's going to see it, who's going to use the information? All that to say is I have never gone through something like this, not even close, where someone is like taking a picture of me, you know, drunk being an asshole in my past and been like, By the way, Nathan's in a you know, a real, real I'm never like, no one's ever done that. Yeah, but I've experience a little bit of personal fear. Yeah. You know, from, like. And it totally affected my whole life of how I have a relationship with it. Yeah. Have you ever experienced anything like social media shame or someone? I never using it against you. Not social. I mean, I wouldn't say social media, but I've have been cyberbullying it to a pretty extreme amount through high school I had I don't even know the gender of the people, but. These. Like people would text me when I had my first girlfriend in high school and they would text me all these terrible things that you do to her for years for like to the whole the whole time. I dated her for two years. Someone, someone wanted us together and they somehow got my number and they use an unknown number and they consistently contact me and they'd send me like 100 packs a day and just how they wanted to rape her and how they wanted me to watch. And where'd the junior in high school. Then? I was like 17 years old. 18 years old. And it's so weird having to deal with something like that because you can't really process it and you don't know who it is. You don't feel safe, and then you just keep going on and you're like, I don't know what what else do you do? But the the. Internet is is is a wild like force of any possibilities. And and the worst of worst things can happen. And stuff like this can happen where an an 1819 news station whatever releases an article and it blows up enough that this person killed themselves. I mean, it's clear that they two points on make the first point was you brought up what I was talking about was like stock being stalked by social media. And you talk about cyberbullying and like if you have ever gone to the comments of our podcast, right. So you can look at those comments and just see the hate or the malice or the direct trying to get to hurt us, right? That's so real on YouTube. So a huge thing on YouTube and Reddit is insane. That's why they call it the Reddit hole. You can just go deeper and deeper and deeper and people get lost in these comments idea because they're so fun just to see what people talk about. But if you ever go to one like this where I found the some of the social media posts that were this article got posted and the amount of hate in that comment section towards this individual, you know, of this very strong, radical conservative, you know, group that thinks of transgender as being like the end of all ends, you know, just destroyed him and said things in like, go kill yourself with comments that were like can wait till you for you to die. Yeah. Take your family on the way. And as I'm reading them, I'm like, Oh my God, this is so fucked up. This is And like, that's how YouTube is. That's how like and I know that there's a lot of, like, governance, right? This watch, they say that they're constantly filtering out and whatnot and, and but you can't there's so much that isn't filtered out especially on these private conservative news outlets you can go search right now and see there's just unbelievable the amount of hate that came towards this individual and forms of cyberbullying. And so you have public shame, you have insane hate and darkness through social media on commenting on all of this. They're their private pictures. Just they're in comments just blasting them. Family shame. They're embarrassed. Yeah, Businesses are going to suffer all the things going through their head. They're like, it's over. There's no way they could get out of this. And if they weren't suffering to already from depression and anxiety and they had suicidal ideation. Maybe that's why they were such an advocate for suicide. Because they know what? Because they suffer from. The same pain. Yeah. Boom. That's it. They kill themselves, and. And the rest is history. And we move on, and then we forget. How do we like. What do we. What do you. Where do you go from here? You stop telling people they're living the wrong life. Do you stop shaming people for being who they are and start stop thinking that sexuality is not a spectrum. So then like this is an issue that is deep seated within the political, the laws, the culture, the hate, Right? It's like, why is this so secret? You know, why is it why they have to be so secret? Yeah, because this happened. Because then because. They couldn't have done anything they wanted to do with their lives. They couldn't have been there. They couldn't have been a pastor. They probably could have been a business owner, but an Alabama business would have been trashed if that came out. So it's like that. It was there had to be a secret that had to be a secret to. Accomplish anything that a good a good Christian white male wants to accomplish. Yeah, you most definitely can't get any of that if you're doing that. Yeah. Which means that that culture, that is politics. So culture that is leadership in this country for the most part, these especially southern conservative states, you know, it's like, God forbid they elect a woman, right? It's like this is like. God forbid they elect a transgender. That's what I'm saying. Is like. Transgender is the father. And it's like, I don't know. It's I think you make a really good point. This is why it's top secret, because these cultures in these communities do not accept you unless you're one thing, a white male, right? Yeah. You know, we were raised with the belief that we we were unconditional, loving to everyone and that the church was just a big ball of love. And all we do is love everyone and we accept everybody. And we didn't obviously super obvious now, but I honestly believe that realizing that and seeing that contrast coming out of the church, the the non conservative, hyper religious people, the opposite of that from what I found is way more loving, inclusive and caring. Not to say that everyone is obviously there's people that aren't religious that are left, that are psychopaths. It's just going to be a thing. But there's so many. More people are people. Yeah, and there's just so much more love, man. And I think that if you're ever going to be a part of anything in this world that says you have to be a man or you have to be a woman and you have love this way, or you have to love this person that is not love is just not love. And if you disagree with that, just really think about what I just said because it's just so not love. Yeah, it's just not. And it it puts people in a position where they can't be themselves. And if you think that depression isn't real, try to fake yourself for years, years and years and years. Just fake who you are and watch yourself want to not be alive anymore. So we I think. This is. This is just not going to stop happening unless the society starts to change, unless the culture starts to change. And I'm not even saying we've got to get rid of religion. That's the problem. It's like no religion has no change. Let's get rid of religion. It just puts a balanced religion that's a success. Zachariah That's the best thing you've ever said. I did say it and a few podcasts ago, and it's doing very well in the media as everyone agrees with me on. Tick Tock, We all agree with you. I just think that there there are portions to this religion man that offer certain individuals a lot of a lot of peace and a lot of community. And I would hate to steal from them just so that we can all feel okay. But there has to be has to be a happy medium where the churches stop being oppressive, the religion stops being oppressive, and we all just start loving each other. I know it sounds like the happy deputy hippity movement. That's never going to happen, but I do think it's possible to live in a world where we don't cause wars because we want to get oil and we don't cause wars because you you don't believe the original legend, I believe. Or you believe women can be president. So we're going to kill you. It's like we. You're not white, so I'm going to shoot you so we don't have to live in this world. We can live in a world of love. And I do think it's possible. And it hurts to it to to see it not possible yet and to see people dying for it or just dying because they can't be themselves. And it's been very prevalent in my life. Close friends have committed suicide for the exact same thing. Yeah, mine do. And so it's such a real situation. And I just want messages like this to reach more people who believe the opposite, who believe you have to be a man or a woman. And to just test their reality is because I used to think the same thing so indefinitely, I used to debate people about homosexuality. I used to be a pretty strong homophobic individual as a Christian male. And coming out of that and just realizing how wrong I was, it is so important that more people realize how wrong that is, because people are killing themselves because they can't be themselves. And it's happening all the. Time and people are killing other people except for that reason. Exactly. There's so much hate the comments section, especially on something like this. I can only imagine. I can only imagine we get a lot of hate and we've gotten pretty good at handling it. It was. Yes, it was horrible to read. Couldn't even imagine. Man. It's it's heart wrenching. But yeah, I have direct connection. In my past, I was to wrap this up, Right? That's the story. Yeah. But I was a junior in high school. I was a part of this class called Peer Helping. Peer helping was a class that, like, had maybe nine or ten students in, and it was an elective because we had electives in high school, and this was a class that literally it was peer helping where you there weren't. And this was back in like 2006. So very lucky to be part of Northern California. There is boxes in every single classroom. That was like the secret note box where students were allowed to write notes that would go into a secret box, and then individuals from peer helping would go around and collect all of the notes. And then in class or the nine or eight people that were in that class, we would we would all read the notes and if any of us felt strong enough, it was up to us, we would go to those students. I wrote notes that were having mental health issues secretly. They didn't want any of their friends know about and we would pull them out of class and make it look like the principal wanted to see them. But we would take them to a table during class where nobody was in school, everyone's in class, and then talk to them and offer peer helping. It was an insane class. It was amazing. Of course, you know me, Junior high school was when it all started. I was like, I'm no longer a Christian, but I was still like a Christian. I've always I've learned so much from where we come from. So peer helping was like, I'm going to be a counselor someday, obviously, maybe a therapist or something. It wasn't ideal, and literally nobody in that class felt safe enough to go pull other kids out. It was scary, you know? You're like one of them and you know them. And like, it was so like, how do you keep things private? How do you keep kids from committing suicide? They don't talk to teachers. They only talk to their peers. So how do you do it? You keep it completely private with no public scrutiny? No, there's no social media. There was MySpace, actually, but it wasn't like I don't know, there was this was a private thing. You would never want to share this stuff publicly. So I was, you know, get on Nathan lost don't like. I'll go I'll go talk to the mayor. And I would go and pull kids out and sit down the tables. And the tables are never in like I was a junior. Maybe I'd pull out of sophomore, you know, because if you're a little bit older. If I'm a little bit. Yeah. And all. All of the kids. All of the kids that I pulled out and I say, kids are my they're like my age, you know, we're suicidal. All of them had upset that that's like and I remember being young, being like, do you have like the means? And they're like, No, no. But there was one individual who was, you know, a homosexual in our school. And I said, That's so weird. You know, they were gay and back in 2006. So it was like, you know, five people are four people in the whole school. Whole school, you know, that you knew about me. And then there was one that was, you know, like that's how it felt. And so it's still so stigmatized. And this individual was and I mean, I don't know what they don't make me say what they were, but they were I was so young and I didn't know anything about transgender full and and really understand I wasn't like thinking really like those terms weren't like crossing my brain yet, but this was like a very, very, very flamboyant, if not, you know, like man going to woman. And we talked and they was a really sad situation. A lot of family, you know, hardship. But this was like the conversation was like am feeling very unsafe in school, being gay I'm an iron Man. And like a week after talking with them, they attempted suicide. Were they successful? No, thank God. You're telling me it was a really, really weird experience. I can imagine, man. But like. That's I'm trying to be as, like, private as possible. As I say that because I know that that's like 15, 20 years ago, but still, it's like, that's like one of the things where it started, you know, was just like it some time, I think. Yeah, I did not even know. How does that even go from there? I just think it's like an experience that I had that was directly related to somebody that was so scared just to be themselves. Yeah. You know, And they ended up trying to commit suicide. Yeah. And it I was so confused. I was so confused. I was like. We put way. To wait. Why? I didn't understand. I had no even back then it was like we had a great conversation. It was like but I didn't know what they were going through. No, I wasn't aware of it fully yet. And even I had major gay qualities about me and didn't know I was partially gained two way later. You know, I was just like, Yeah, what we need is education. We have it now. We have so much education, we are so much more support. If you're maybe from a community like ours and. E Exactly right. And, and we're talking two 627 when we didn't have that much support and now there's so much. Support and this is now. This is this nine month now that's like, oh yeah, it's Alabama. That's what I'm saying is this is we're talking northern California's were from pretty woke state and Alabama hasn't changed much since then. Who knows when. I haven't done much Alabama research but they're they've been a red state far conservative for as long as I've been alive. And it's never switched. And if we know anything the for the red you are the more homophobic you are, the more you do not support any of the things we're talking about, which. The more red you are, the more Christian you are. Come on. It's true. I mean, it is super true. Very well, I would. I would. I wonder if there is a study on how many Christians are not Republican. Yeah. I think you kind of made a point earlier about this modern Christian right. Like a modern like like this isn't about getting rid of religion just. Have religion could be more modern, can be more accepting. I was talking to there are. Christians that you talked about that you are you are still friends with that are like and like very much like in churches and accept homosexual. I was just going to bring it up a future interview that we're going to have with someone we were raised with that came out while we were all of the age around the 16, 17 age, and they caused a lot of controversy in our town then. I live not not in the area, but I mentioned I contacted them to come on the podcast and they were in church when I texted them and I was so surprised and they're like, Oh yeah, I go to a different church. It doesn't really care. And it's like, Wow, I never even wanted to look that deep into it. But good for you that you found a church that I get. You wait to have them on the cast so I can ask them how they didn't go up in flames walking through those doors, you know, because obviously they're gonna go up in flames if you go back in there and then to how are they able. Yeah. I'm like comfortable in that space. Yeah. Even if it's a modern church, it's like we accept everybody here and there's like a Jesus, like a matthew McConaughey on the cross, you know? I'm like, you know, we're good. Yeah, we're good. This American, I'm glad y'all are accepting everybody. But the thing that happens is we're so deathly That's a death call. It is. It's a death cult. I don't wanna be part of really death calls. You know, you're. Always accepting now. Yeah. No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I don't know. Don't I? I guess we could get. We get to have conversations. The people where they have healed maybe so much. Oh I can't wait. And that's what they said. They said I've done a lot, a lot, a lot of healing. And I love doing worship. And you know what? Worship was dope, so I don't blame them. Yeah, I mean, and I mean, I've sung in different spiritual ways that aren't like Christian worship. And it works. So yeah, I mean. God, we know this shit. Yeah, we're getting a little bit more goofy as we normally do in our case after such a serious subject. And we really wanted to finish this story off with some resources and once again even know we live. By. Here in our county. If you know us, then you know us. Yeah. Mental health crisis here in Sonoma County Services offers a 24 hour toll free suicide prevention hotline for Sonoma County residents. That's 8555876373. One more time. 8555876373. Administered by the North Bay Suicide Prevention Program, the BUCKELEW Programs, the Sonoma County Crisis Line available 24 seven. That last one was the mental health crisis. As I said in a75768181. That's 775768181. They Also have a crisis stabilization unit and that's located at 2225 challenger way Santa Rosa California 95407. All of this will be in the description of the video. National Resources for National Suicide Crisis, Lifeline call or text 988 or chat online at nine eight Lifeline dot org It's nine eight is 24 seven and then Suicide Prevention Resource Center offers a variety of resources information on suicide prevention PRC dot org. If you ever are thinking about taking your life, just give it a call before you do. And also just know that we don't even know who you are. But I guarantee you we love you. I love you so much. Don't you don't need to. There's there's other people out there that are going to love you. You're not getting the love you want right now, but you can get it, trust me. Yeah. And but I hope that this story that affected us, that we want to shine a light on and just talk about these things. I hope you enjoyed it. Yeah. This has been the tragic death very recently of Mayor Copeland. Rest in peace, brother. So here on the Mortal Kombat podcast, we also really believe in connecting with your inner child, especially after having such happy conversations together on camera while being recorded. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. So one of the ways that we can enter their inner child here in the Mortal Kombat podcast is doing the same thing that we do would do as kids after church growing up. But now we do it after our church with as our podcast. And that's play Mario Kart 64 or Zachary. Let's go on over to the. Orange game girl. This is the game Cam. Mario Kart 64. Mario Kart 64. And music that you're starting to hear in the background is coming from yours truly. Nanny. From the bay. Mainly from the bay. And then. Then namely from the bay. What are we playing in? We're doing battle. Doing battle. And it is skyscraper 6.0. 6.00. Skyscrapers. Always good game. That means we have. And we played more. We just didn't start doing the point. Or we didn't. But no, no. Yeah. 6.8 means we've done every battle match. 24 times. Now we have we've added 20. Times, six times over. Yeah. We've done 24 matches. There's gonna be the 24th and if you're like but you have 60 episodes. So every episode prior to that would play board games. Yeah, but you go back, check out the fun. Those are some we could. Do that again. We should start. Bringing we have way more space now. We're working on a little tiny. Table games or cell phone. They were that was a good old that was crazy thinking back then and I'm oriented a. Big we had some great ones did there. Hockey want me do it really again you know what you were you were Yoshi last time somebody. Actually on Skyscraper two this can be. Fast three super super super super fast. I swear I forget how to play every time we play. Now. But then you come back. Here we go. Yeah, we're going to. We're playing soft. Yeah, we're soft. Oh. Oh, He's going to star. Okay. Zach and I have also wondered, like, who actually watches? Oh, it was a good jump. Who would actually sit and watch the game cam or, like, listen to it? Yeah. And we've met a couple of people now who have told us that they're now listening to our podcast. They love the game cam the most. We're like, What? No one is driving their favorite poor course, their favorite part the same way it was a repair part after church. Our podcast has. To be a little bit better than church, man. Oh, it totally is. But it still is. Still is. What we did and why we did it. Dude. Oh, come on, come on, come on, come on, Come here. Oh, I knew I was going to miss it. You got me miss it, though. I got. I was going to go right in there with you, and that would've been fun. They where is he? There you are on a loop. Oh. Oh, Where is he? Go and where you go. And yeah, I jumped too soon, my friend. Okay, you can have those. I didn't take nothing. Wow. Oh, wow. Well, I got to start doing. These jumps at the wrong time, man. I'm really making it risky. Risky right now. Evan, my son said something really funny today. Or is yesterday? Oh, my gosh. I got every single year. All right, get out of here. Do you? That was such a good job. I was out. He was like, Oh! Ooh! Oh, my goodness. There's. I put a lot of bananas on the ground. There's bananas absolutely everywhere go. I didn't realize I had one balloon. Nice small plane. I didn't even take your second blended. I know, because I spun out. Anything happen to you that one time, he said he said something along the lines of like, Dad, do you think ever you go back and watch your own podcast and be like, Oh my gosh, Uncle Zach beat me so much on the game cam. I was like, What? He was like, Yeah, because, you know, I was like, Dude, it's weird. Even actually, I was like, Oh, you must just We go through phases. We've gotten a lot more. Even though it used to be like I'd win three or four in a row, you take three or four in a row and cheat. Oh yeah. Oh, drove right off that cliff. You better hope you don't land. Where I am. You better hope it's not true. Oh, that's. I keep making some foolish mistakes. Yeah. Do you got a red one? Yeah. Not going to happen. Yeah. You know what I wanted to do? You know? No, I love it when we don't talk. Oh, you got me. That was a good plan in not going to lie. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I want it so bad. Well, you're not going to get it. This is. This is ridiculous. Or now. No, I needed that so bad. But you can. You can. I'm panicking right now. I know. I am legit over. Blaine. We're not even anymore. I'm. I'm terrified. This is terrifying. Oh, my goodness. Come here. Don't. No, Come here. No. Come on, Hit this. Hit this upside down. Question Mark did it once you know, Lord. Yes, I know, Yes, yes, yes. That was a great second game we talked about. Did do you realize that it is? How does it give you is that moment space of time? It's I think it's like a millisecond quicker. You always get a star. Right to start, baby. Oh, shoot. Had to dodge that real quick. If it wasn't for screen sharing. Not dodge that it was way worse than the halo did to your screen sharing. Yeah. Halo was like, I am going to beat. You up in your sleep if you screen share. Oh, I finally my break move works. I've tried that so many times and it's got me destroyed. Yes. No. Yeah. Come to me. Oh. It's later encounter but I'm down the lantern. Down? Yes. Oh, you son of a bitch. Yes, yes, yes yes, yes, yes. Not good. Not yet. Not good. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Not good. Not good, not good. Oh, I play. Oh, it's brilliant. What a play. Oh, you son of a monkey biscuit. Don't fall off. You've fell off. I did exactly what you said. Not today. You did exactly what I said not to do. I don't. How do you reverse sucks? Oh. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. Oh, my goodness. Oh, how, how, how? Two stars. No. Good. All right. Yeah. Come on. The ice. Dude had a run show. Now you go rogue. So here we go again. Let's play chicken, baby. I. Oh, you did not just to go shoot. Oh, snap. Brigadier, I don't. Oh, yes. Oh, snap. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, My one banana. I'm getting solo bananas, Dude, I kill you. Come on, boy. One, boy three. So little bananas back to back. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, Oh, do what is going on? This is the craziest market game we've ever played in our lives. It is quite ridiculous. And you got another read. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Look, I mean. I didn't even see you behind me. You wouldn't want to play right when you're about to hit that Star Wars dude, I was going to shoot off the show. New Tyler. Yeah, you got it perfectly. Because you're a drummer. You got the timing? Yes. That was a great win for us. Over on the new Make. It was another one of the best skyscrapers. That was great. Yeah, and he was one of the best. My back hurts after that. I was like, Really? You know? No, you really tense tension up and out. Got those veins coming at your neck. As sitting. Here echo barrage on. As we're sitting here. It's getting so much colder. I know we're starting get that cold. We don't have my heater on yet, though. I like freezing. We do have curtains that are literally completely closing off the backside of this podcast studio, which is where we're going to start interviewing people. And I cannot wait. They're going to be right there to me, great. This side is still covered up. It'll make things hotter. Yeah, we're going to have to. Figure out what we're going to put on map. We'll figure it out. I would think sitting them right here would be best, right? Like with the table with us. Yeah. I think we could flip that table and the table and make it on the way down there. Yeah. Yeah. And then it would just be more like a square shaped that. We be. Sweet. You put somebody there, technically, then you could put something and you could have all of. Yeah, we'll figure it out. That's, well, great stories. Great. Good game, Cam. I've missed you last week, even though I know we met in person and we meet. Yeah, that's what we do. We're family. Yeah, but I missed this. Yeah. I look forward to getting more time to pre-production and to all of you back home. We bid. You. Farewell. See, everybody smile your nice. Oh, what? Yeah, dude.