New Years 24, AMTR, Raves & Block Fort 7.0 | Ep 64 | Moral Combat

In episode 64 of the Moral Combat Podcast, hosts Nathan and Zach, siblings and children of a pastor, delve into their journey of healing from religious trauma stemming from their evangelical Christian upbringing. The episode kicks off with reflections on a recent interview with Jonathan Gaza and a reminder for listeners to engage through their podcast phone number. A significant portion of the discussion centers around the holidays, highlighting their ongoing healing process and mentioning specific trauma triggers like their parents' church events and politically charged family texts. They emphasize the importance of setting boundaries to manage these triggers. The episode also features an insightful analysis of Reddit posts from ex-Christians and religious trauma forums, discussing themes such as morality, the portrayal of God, and familial challenges. Looking ahead, Nathan and Zach express their commitment to diversifying their guest lineup, aiming to include voices from various ethnic backgrounds and non-Christian religions. The episode concludes with a casual game of Mario Kart, New Year's wishes, and an anticipation of the next episode's interview, inviting listeners to participate with their questions.

Moral Combat, hosted by siblings Nathan and Zach Blaustone, is a heartfelt exploration of life's complexities, with a primary focus on healing from religious trauma. Step into their world as they navigate the realms of music production, confront the lingering echoes of religious trauma, and embrace laughter as a universal healer. With each episode, Nathan and Zach weave together their unique perspectives, seasoned with dynamic personalities that make every discussion an engaging adventure. From unraveling the complexities of personal growth to fostering open communication, healing the scars of religious indoctrination, and embracing the unfiltered authenticity of siblinghood, Moral Combat is your passport to thought-provoking conversations, heartfelt insights, and the pure joy of shared moments. Join us in the combat for morality, one conversation at a time.

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EE ee ee o. Amoral combat fans. MCP fs. Mcp. My name is Zack. I'm Nathan and we are siblings. And this is the Mortal Kombat podcast. Yes, we are. We are siblings. This is a podcast where we discuss religious trauma as we were both raised in the Christian Evangelical church with a father who a pastor and still a pastor. And we like to heal by communicating to each other, by religious trauma and interviewing people. We just had a wonderful interview with. We did Jonathan Gaza when Fantastic. Yeah, that was our. Last. Episode indeed, two weeks. Ago. One week ago. It'll be two weeks since we went there, as opposed one week since we've done it. Yeah. Yeah, it was wonderful. We have we are breaking barriers here on the MCP. Indeed. Mortal Kombat podcast. What was your acronym? MCP. MCP FS, What's up? My MCP FS, WhatsApp. MCP has. A lot. Yeah, we. We talk a lot about a lot of stuff on this podcast. And this podcast didn't start off as a religious drama from our past podcasts started off as shoot the shit comedy. Politics and. Politics. Well, this is episode 64 and we only were doing the Those Boys comedy for ten episodes. So the first ten episodes were that. Yeah, but then everything after that seemed to resolved. Yeah, it was like it was like. The energy was like magnetism. Everything kind of came to the center of conversation around us, discussing our upbringing and our past trauma. And that led to us like having a lot of revelation with just so much that we've done in life and how much our past is connected to, like why we did what we've done. And this podcast has landed us a lot of healing already. And so something that you and I have talked about for this episode going into. The New Year. Happy 2020 for everybody. Happy Time 24. This is being posted like January 4th, fifth or sixth. I don't even know what date it to me posted, but we are in the new year and we were really trying to figure out what episode we wanted to do for the new Year As this is being our first episode, we were thinking about not podcasting because I, my fiance, bought me tickets to a rave yesterday, last night in San Francisco for Christmas. And so and I we talk about a lot of our past rave life. And I went out and in the most healed and safe way possible like an old person when rave how. Long did you rave. Night Two. And a half. Hours it was an eight hour. Event and we made it for the last two and a half hours. You really. Went hard. And and so we were even thinking like, It's New Year's. Tomorrow will be New Year's. It's New Year's Eve for us right now. We're thinking, may we just skip it? You know, it's a holiday. And now we did not decide to do that. We wanted to, as we have done a lot with this podcast, is push through and create the content that we love creating. And we were trying to come up with a conversation. We were like, What? What part of our trauma do we want to talk about for the new year? And we realized, God dammit, we really. Have healed a lot. And what I mean by that is like, does that mean that this year and a half, this year, over a year long podcast of songs we've talked about, we're just like better now. But what I mean is we've had so much conversation together about our own history. It's really difficult just to go back and have very similar conversations just for the sake of content. Yeah, because what we're talking about is like real shit and it's our shit. And so now that we've hash it out so much and so deep that it's actually kind of difficult for you and I to come up with like things to talk about of our past all the time because we really have learned. We're learning that this conversation is helping. So having Jonathan online, I'm sorry not to interrupt you. I wasn't in Europe. You go far. I was going to make the point that having Jonathan on as somebody that we're like we're just interviewing a person who just alive and living, who also has trauma from their past religious upbringing and having the attention on somebody for one episode on their trauma, we barely even touched the surface. It felt like because you and I have done such a deep. Dive. In our own experience, and that's what I'm really excited about going into the new Year was. I just have no doubt we're going to be able to meet so many people and hear so many stories briefly, normal stories, and you and I are the lucky ones that really get to benefit from other people's experience and having that conversation with them because we've been able to benefit from so much from each other. And I'm just saying that is like a good sort of Segway introductory to what's the plans for the podcast going into our new year? Well, I think you made a good point that it's like we don't to repeat ourselves. I don't like. We totally could talk about the trauma of prayer again, but it's like, but we did it. It's an episode and we go listen to it. There's no reason to document it. Again, the only reason would be we have new followers that we want to see it. And it's like, but we're trying to force them to see it. If we were to do that. It's fake, right? It's like you can go back and it's legit titled that. Go well, go watch it. The quality's a little less. We look a little younger. That's great. Go watch it. We don't wanna talk about it. But having an issue that we don't wanna talk about it. We just don't think it's worth repeating ourselves. And it's just hard. It's hard when it's real. Yeah. And it feels more valuable for us to start including other people in this conversation. And that's why we had Jonathan on. That's why we had Andy on to educate us about what's going on across the world and we're trying to branch out and interview people and talk about their trauma because that's really what this podcast was built for, was to not only help us heal, but to help others heal, too, and to speak their truth. Yeah, exactly. And whether that happens for the people we interview or not is on them. In their experience, we are not the reason or the answer for how that happens. Right? That's like we talked so much about that on this podcast that the Savior complex is constantly inching its way into us. Like we're maybe we're meant to do something more and like a lot of this is just us wanting more. We feel related. It's a really important conversation. And within diversity there is power and we are two white perceived white men. And even though we've broken down sexuality so much on this podcast, that's what we are. Yeah, and that's a privilege. So one of the major goals moving forward in our interviews that we know that we are going to be able to really branch out and start talking to other people is really want to talk to other people or people that have suffered from other religions and our own and really start to learn more of what this idea of religious trauma is outside of our own upbringing or our own religious upbringing. It's already interesting enough just to hear people talking about different denominations, like having Jonathan talk about Seventh Day Adventist was like fasting. I had no idea. Yeah, the. Level of perfectionism. Like that. Education being like. Really, it's like, do you have a. Do you have friends that are Seventh Day Adventists? Are they all perfect? Yes. Are they all super nice? Yes. Mark I'm starting to learn why. You have a. Pretty amazing quality from that. One. Yeah. The other goal. That's just so important that we're vocalizing now and talking about to each other in our pre-production. For our show. Is how when we branch into our interviews, we start reaching out something that isn't so easy for Zach and I, but is going to be very important is that we reach out to people of color and women of color for our podcast and for our because these are the communities that we can learn so much from and that we need to have diversity in and is important for us to establish on our show so much. And so that's a major goal that we are setting to have more conversation with others and extremely diverse conversations in that population being diverse as well. Because we know our story. We know it totally. We, we want to learn about stories that I literally have no idea what their experience must have been like. And I think that ultimately would help my own experience and theirs. Yeah, totally. Also, Zachary, your hair, if you're watching our podcast. Thank you. We are a visual podcast. We put a lot of work into our but a lot of. We're going to be visual. So if you're here on the YouTubes or Tiktoks or anywhere else, the Instagrams are you're seeing things visually. You'll see that Zach's hair is turning into that of a superstar. You look like a Hollywood. You could be. Timothy Charlemagne if you wanted, if Timothy Charlemagne was actually pretty looking. You know what I mean? I see. I got you. David here is getting longer, and that is the goal. The goal. Was. To grow it out. We wanted to. I'm proud of you. Yeah. And I'm here. I'm here now. I think I'm past, like, the super awkward face, but it's still pretty. The sides, man can get pretty weird. I'm Alex. My fiancee is really pushing me to not get a haircut yet, so I'm trying to cut it. I'm trying to get trimmed to grow longer because the sides were shaved. Yeah. And then now they're here. And so just like. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, it looks that way to you. It doesn't look as well. No. Yeah I haven't, I haven't slicked. Back as Bosstones have the side hair. Yeah. Poofy side hair. Yeah. My hair's really thinning in the front. And so when I get haircuts, it's crazy how much my hair lines going back, staying puffier on the sides and thinning on top. More on the way people are on the way. And I'm wearing a scrub top because I'm a goddamn nurse. And that's a huge part of my life. What's funny is when I. Brought it out today. When I showed up today, I thought Nate was just trying to have, like, a cool new fashion of, like, wear in scrubs. Typically, it is. Not a cool new fashion. It's a very old school fashion. Now. Also, before we joined today's cast. We got new Mark. Megan, my fiance's mother for Christmas, got us personalize. Moral. Combat mugs. With our names on it. Red with your fingers covering your name. You have those big guitar fingers. I will poop on your moral combat. Nathan and Zach. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. So thoughtful. Thank you. Mrs. Foust. We love you. Was so wonderful. They were in town. My in-laws are in town for the holidays. Who? Vodka? Yeah. God, You. I didn't know you did that. We're sober. It'll be. Tomorrow. New Year's will be the two year mark of my sobriety from alcohol. Well. Wolf, except for that one night. I wish. I don't wish. But, like, if there was, you know. Yeah. Cheers. Why don't we jump in today's episode? I want to talk about what we have never discussed on this podcast. Yeah, that's right. That's right. We could done this earlier. We do need to do this earlier. MCP chefs a.k.a moral combat fans. It has been amazing journey with all of you here. And as our followers have grown, I have realized that not many of you utilize our phone number. We have a moral combat phone number which you can call and text, anything you want to talk about, anything you want to discuss, comments, questions or anything. It would be a fun episode for us when we don't have interviewees. Interviewees, is that correct? Sure. Like it to answer your questions and I think there's enough of you here that have questions that would want us to either talk about a certain topic about religious trauma or even jab at us and tell us something about we're bringing in hell, yeah, we want to talk about it here. So call the number. The number is 17073568186. You repeat it. 1773568186. Because everyone you have to repeat numbers twice. That's like the whole thing. That's the whole. This is the Mortal Kombat podcast phone line and that is it. 7973568186. And that was seven or 73568186. You know, don't know if I really don't know. You know. If you are hearing this right now and you're immediately like, my. God, I'm going to try it. Don't expect like a response fast or something. This isn't like an emergency hotline. This is a contact line that goes. Directly to. The produce owners and managers of this. Show us. Us and they will get in contact with the performers, Zachary Nathan of this show. So that's a that's a pretty amazing thing. It's a pretty direct line. And you know what? There might be a time in this podcast history where that isn't the case and there is someone filtering those questions. So I would say if you really care about getting your question answered, utilize the fact that no one is using this number. And if you call in or send us a text at some point, your question will probably be answered. Yes. Thank you for that, Zachary, for a long time we. Haven't we haven't ever mentioned you on this. Podcast. No, we haven't. And we have a. Lot of things to take care of and we have a lot of things going on at one time, so I don't blame us. We were so it was this is a this is a great experiment on organic growth. Yes, for sure. Totally. We do it as we do it. We get what we get. And then you get. Got you got. Let's jump into it. Let's go. We've been talking for 18 minutes. What an intro. Well, we remember the intro. 15 minutes or our. Sloppy as you. But that's okay because this podcast was just about mainly us talking about the stuff we're talking about. And then you heard it folks word know you haven't heard yet We're about to tell you. Okay I'm I'm I'm here to read it. you're all. Inhaling. Here on the Mortal Kombat podcast, we have a segment that we've been doing for over a year now called A Moment to Read It on a moment to read it. This segment from The Moral Cometh, I guess Zachary and I. And. Individually on our own time, like to go on to the app, read it, which you've maybe. Heard before. And we follow specific forms related to religious trauma, like the Form X, Christian X, Presbyterian, X, Catholic, Religious trauma, atheist ism. Although I got the information. Dagger did get banned for really funny reasons and because there's a strict mods on this form, strict mind on how you share them or not. I was trying to inform someone that we talked about their like information on our podcast, their religious trauma, and they banned me because they were like, You can't tell people that you or you can't use. I don't know. I don't know what it was. I think you couldn't post links. And so, yeah, lesson learned. We do this where we find posts from just people like us, people like you. If you're listening, it's people like you where if you wanted to get on Reddit and you were like, I need to get this off my chest because I suffer from religious trauma, or This pisses me off about how religion in this country is or wherever you are in the world. People do this almost every day where they're just vulnerably sharing their past trauma, crazy stories. And we get on there, find posts, find comments, read them here on the cast and then talk about them together. It's in a great way for us to use other people's life stories or traumatic experiences in their vulnerable expression of them for content for us to talk about because we relate to almost everything that we find in. So let's jump into it. Let's go. And we're doing the moment trending a little different this time. I have three or four posts that I chose that Nate hasn't seen, and then he has three or four that he's chosen that I haven't seen. And we're going to kind of throw them at each other so that it's not necessarily something that we both are ready to. It's funny, I have a feeling that we might have some repeats. There's stuff in here that I already see that I found. That's. Funny. That's a. Repeat. That's good. That means we're both looking at the same stuff. We're going to start with, Do you want me to read them? Do you want to read your own? I think we should both read our own. All right, so why don't you start? All right, so here we go. This is from Faith poem. I thought it was interesting because it wasn't a religious read. It We normally are. Like you said. The one. Challenge. From this is from Faith poem. Basement. And it's anchored Radiance. That's their name. That's the user thinker rated. Do people actually think this question mark exclamation mark. If there is no God, why don't atheists indulge in their darkest desires? I know you've probably heard this argument before, but I have yet to meet an atheist engage with argument. The argument honestly, according to many theists, God is the source of all morality. It is sound logic. You if have moral laws, you need a moral law giver under an atheist framework though who is the moral law giver? It can't be the government because governments have different laws. There is no source of objective morality to tell you that indulging in evil desires like effing kids or strangling someone who pisses you off or praising Hitler is wrong. So why don't you do it? I have to like, reread this. I'm a little confused what they're even saying. So they're there. They're saying. And this is a very common argument that Christians actually use Christians because it's direct my knowledge to say that God gives them their morality. So without God, what's going to stop you from just, you know, killing your wife, having said. That and just getting them to stand. Because they feel. Like. If it wasn't for God, like people would be going crazy. But that would have already happens. It's just the dumbest argument, man. If there is no God, why don't atheists indulge in their darkest desires? But they're for Christians, Jews. Christians and indulge in their dark side. They're like, Dude. There is a God. That's why I fuck kids. Yes, right. That's like. But the thing is, it's like whoever is posting this is obviously not the priest who has done that because it's very obvious that priests that do fuck kids are using religion in the Catholic Church to get to their darkest desires. Yeah, because it's like a. Tool and it's it's power. Power is power and control. It's not real. Religion is power control. We just talk about spirituality and f62 and that's what we're not. That's the real. But the religion just takes all of that and says, Let's oppress you and let's oppress them and give us some money because we're in control. Interesting. But yeah, my response to that is I have a brain and I'm a human and a spirit and that gives me my morality. I know killing people is pretty bad and I know touching kids and having sex with them is pretty horrible and I'm just not going to do it. And Hitler killed a lot of people. He's pretty bad guy and I don't believe in a god. Yeah. So there's my morality. God's not giving it to me. Yeah, it's funny. I think that this the first post that you found or we brought up this is just bringing up this, like, very, very long arching question about morality, right and wrong, good and evil. Is there such a thing like Plato and Socrates and all this history of people have been talking about this for millennia and and being able to use that conversation morality and you put God in the middle of it is what Christians do, right? They like like everything is you need God, everything needs God in the middle of it. And the only way to get to God is because of Jesus. So you need Jesus to get to God. But any God in the middle of everything. And so like, that's the glue that's like and there's no way out of that. So that's like the same argument here, right? Is it kind of like one way or the highway? So if there wasn't a God, there'd be no way. Yeah. And so if you don't believe in God, why aren't you just being the worst evil part of yourself? And it's kind of like, well, maybe not all humans have the same evil desires as you. You do? Exactly. I'm so sorry. You have those desires. And maybe that religion, like, in one way, like, takes the human brain and is like. Don't do any of this. And anybody that does that is evil. And then that brain is like, don't do that. And anyone that does that is evil. So all they're thinking about are the bad things. Got nothing to do. And, you know, we have proven with science that when you try not to think something, you have to think it. Yeah, like don't think about an orange elephant. Sorry. All of you just talk about an orange dolphin. I did not. Well, you imagine. If I did. I mean, the way I literally thought of an orange. I mean, that's a great thought. By no means a great thought. I have a comment here from. Okay, Dog 4059. You know, I'm more worried about the person who doesn't are AP kids and strangle people only because they fear God too. Why did you spell it out? Because you think God get censored. Well, the R word. And anything talking about f ing kids. Yeah, it censors it pretty hard. I love that you're the one that first posed Zach Fines is the most graphic. It's a pretty good classic. Zach Everybody. I thought that was a really good point, though. I'm worried about people. Who who. Are like we just mentioned, who are talking about doing these things and I won't do it because of God. And that's their only reason that if God wasn't real, then I'm going to have sex with all these children. I'm going to believe in Hitler, I'm going to kill people and strangle them just because they piss me off. Yeah, You know. I just one of the greatest things about God in my life is that if it wasn't for God, I'd be out there just fucking everything I see Murdering. Yeah. Wow. Well, then you keep believing exactly what you believe in there. It's keeping us safer. Good for you. Good for you. Let me ask you a question. Do you ever have any doubt in what you believe? No, no, no. Never, never, never, never. That's the thing that everyone doubts. So these people that are like saying that God is what's keeping them at bay, they're going to doubt that belief. And what happens when they doubt. Well, God's going to burn you in hell. You can't doubt that now. But if they do doubt, they're going to have moments of failure, which is where they're going to be out there. Fucking every day. By any measure. I knew it about Joe. They're lying. All right, your turn. So did aggressive first Reddit post. That's like the whole episode. Censored. Now, moving on now. I was going. Thank you. I agree. Yes, sir. I already see the one that we had it copy together. So I'm going to go do that one because you already know which one that is. Yeah. This is on from the X Christian Reddit Forum and this is by user Big Fantastic 9414 now. FG Fantastic. So fantastic. Yeah, this one was a super game. I love this one. There's an abused by God. My first abusive relationship was with God. It says. Conditioned to not trust in myself, to not think for myself, to not listen to my needs, to repress natural desires and feelings conditioned to believe I am worthless, broken and sinful conditioned to believe I needed to be saved. And in order to be saved, I needed to submit myself completely to his will, whatever may come through. And that if I ever spoke up against abuse or voiced my questions, I would be shunned. And then all that I was taught to believe this was from a loving God. Was yeah, well. FG Fantastic posed this and they said, My sister sent this to me a few days ago and I find it very relatable. So do we. It's an extremely abusive relationship. Yeah. And I know that we have talked a lot about That's why we have this podcast. Yeah. I found a comment on this post that just copied and pasted the from like the national abuse website of like people abused by partners. And I totally forget the name of it. I should have like saved this post, but I didn't was so long, but it was basically on that website it was like if it's somebody in your life, a partner or a family member, anybody in your life is making you feel this way, then there's an abuser in your life. Because one of the classic qualities of having somebody having an abuser in their life is them not being able to, like, come out, you know, actively say, this is my abuser, they're abusing me. Right. It's a condition to keep it private. And you're like, gaslighted. And then you're like dumbing yourself down and shame and guilt and fear and all of this. And on the the person's post, they posted all of the parts that were just like, my abuser makes me feel this way. My abuser shames me for this. My abuser does this. And the person just said, replace pastor or church. Right? Because when you're reading about like we all believe that people can be abused, right? So I'm thinking right now, like a married couple or a couple and the dude's abusing the girlfriend or abusing the wife over years. And as a nurse, we have to ask people in the hospital, everybody, every patient is asked, are you safe at home? Is there anybody abusing you at the home? Sometimes we have the partners leave the room to ask that question. Has it happened that some people respond and say I'm being abused? Yes, very rarely. But then that starts this whole process of getting the authorities involved and having to. It's is crazy, but it's such as doing that. It has to be such a private like is anybody abusing you in your life? So to look. At that same perspective of this, this idea of abusers and people's lives and how you find safety and there's safe houses for people who are being abused, they can run off to. And your fiance. I used to work for them. Yeah. And it's like think of just replace all of them entirely with religious drama and thinking of the relationship with a Christian God or Islam. God or Jewish God or. Whatever God out there that is taking yourself. Out of you. Yeah. And being like, deny yourself, pick up your cross and give it to God. Yeah. Deny your truth and put it's God that has you. You get out of that relationship or you're in that relationship. And it's like, Hey, do you have in your life it's abusing you in the Christians. Like, Yeah, you're like, who? And they're. Like, God. Everybody in my church is telling me to deny myself. You're like. What? Right? So easier to see it. Yeah. It's like if anyone tells you like, Hey, you need to deny yourself. Like, that's. Abusive. Yeah, the whole. Relationship is. Abusive. Yeah. And as we've learned and you can go on to the comments right now, all there's so many comments and what we post that. Are abusive. Abusive, reestablishing and saying you're you're the loss. You're going to burn in hell. You'll be back sinner. Like forgive. Them God they don't know what they do. Like all these comments we have, they're just like blaspheming and like, just telling us how. Awful we are. Yeah. Don't forgive us, God. We know exactly what we're doing. It's so easy to see. But yet. Even I reading these comments and coming from this extremely abusive relationship that we do come from, sometimes I'll read these abusive comments and I will. Feel. Starting to cower. Like I literally will be like, my God, Like the same things have been said to me for so long and since I was a young teenager and there they work where it's like, Damn, that's like I'm feeling like this. Sort of like I'm caving in because it's abusive and it's the gaslighting and you're kind of like, you know, there's like this feeling of like every once in a while there's a hidden, hidden, hidden feeling from the abusive relationship that we were born into. You know, that's kind of like. What if they're right? There's always that abuse of thoughts that you're having to grow out of because there's so much of that like type of relationship that holds you down. It's true. And and so it's kind of like if someone were to ask me to be like, have you ever been in like an abusive relationship? And I'm thinking of like, God, I'd be like, Yeah, and I'm still healing from it. Right? It's real. Yeah. The Do you have. Anything to say on that or. I think you said enough. I said a lot. You said enough. I always do that right here. Chris. Chris 9312 says Yup. To be fair, he did punish our entire species because two naked people ate a fruit and then killed himself to save us from himself, only to resurrect and spend the next 2000 years. Gaslight us about it. I should have seen the red flags. Yeah. And I just want to say, Chris, if that's your actual name or if it's just the beginning part of your username. We. Don't B Don't kick yourself for not seeing it. Cool to have a great way of like making you not see the red flags and then make you feel bad for even thinking there's a red flag, especially when you're in this abusive of a relationship. It's not about me. I took us a long time to get out to. I think they're being sarcastic and he has a brilliant comment. I love it. And the funny thing is, it is really hard to see the red flags when you're in it and the moment you. Leave. And see that there are red flags. All the red flags say you're the red flag. Yeah. So you have to go find the other red flags. Now that you're the red flag to be like, am I really the red flag? And they're like. We're all the red, We're all red. Flags. Baby. Everyone's a red flag. Yeah. Don't you get it? We're humans. Yeah, humans. And being human is terrible in the Bible. You're just the sinner. Yeah, it's bad. It's luckily, God killed himself. Were you? Even though you're made in God's image, it's really bad to be God's image. You sending God's image? Yeah. Because of the first to me. That damn fine. The darned the darn people eat the fruit. All right, Zach, you're up. What are we doing? All right, this comes from ex Christian Santa Cruz under. Sue's underscore Sue Sanders. Or Sue. Love it. Noah just took my read. I'm going to restart that. Noah. Just look at all the evidence of God's love surrounding us on this ark. Here we go. Must have been an inspiring to stand on the ark's deck, some prehistoric coffee in hand and gaze down at all the bloated, floating corpses and think, God, it's. Love. So it's funny because, you know, both of us. Are like, looking up. And I found this one, too. And so the image is no standing on the are seeing all the dead people, like all of humanity, all of create like all of the living be everything that was living is now dead and. Is God's you do humans got to see this end too much that we had to rebuild the flood everything. And Noah's like, how old? Like, like eight. 700. People. His only his sons and daughters are on the ark, right? Yeah. Because, like, his family. Yeah, it's just his family. His family. I think maybe a cousin. Like our God is an awesome God who lives on that. And just these bodies just floating around. Just straight up disease coming off the ocean floor and it's like green goo. It's just like so much death and decay. Yeah. And that's God's love. Maybe that's some good love that's there. Got no one said love was meant to be fun. Sounds abusive. I have a comment here I want to read from a heavy Valder. Have heavy valor. Heavy valor? Yep. God as murderer of so many men, women and children as well as other animals, all to try to prove a point about the superiority of God and that obedience equals life and disobedience equals death. That God created the Ten Commandments rules for everyone. Yet those same rules don't apply to God himself. Kind of interesting how it is that way. I never thought of God in that way when I was a Christian. Now that I have left the religion, it is truly eye opening. How much I was told it all made sense somehow because it totally doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, it's true. It doesn't make it easy. Doesn't make any sense. The second you're out, you're like. But when you're in it, Yeah, it makes a lot. Of sense. Well, it's like. Kind of like a rat in a rat race. Rat like an are a mouse in a lab. They put them in a maze. The mouse has to go through the maze to find the cheese. It is is it Can't see out. It doesn't know it's in a lab. It just does its thing. And that's its purpose. And it knows if it gets this way, it finds the food. Now boom does that. It's done. But if the mouse could like get out of the maze and be aware of itself and be self-aware and be like, my God, I'm a mouse surrounded by people that can control me and put me into these mazes. Or ultimately I need food. Yeah. But I can't see out of them walls. Like, that's where you're like, it's on a level where you are the mouse in that maze. And now if you've walked away from your faith one way from religion, you're not like being dumbfounded or like realizing it doesn't make sense. You're kind of like, Wait a minute, I've been in this like, experiment. It's been around for only so many years, and there's all these different, you know, maze races and Christianity and all these different doctrines. They're basically the same maze, but just built differently. All part of the same fucking lab. Yeah. And who are these people running the lab, and why do they get to choose everything? Yeah. What's outside of the lab? What's outside the door? Yeah. you can't go outside the door because you're just a mouse and mouse and have. No pull support. But if you go outside the door, you're never going to get any cheese away. There's cheese everywhere. She's everywhere. And in fact there's like a sky and there's grass and there's like multiple other labs all over the world. That's how I think of, like the universe and space race. Like if you could get outside the door of your mind that is so Christianity construct it to be black and white in one way or the highway, and you get out and you realize it's all lab. You're like, Boom! my God, what do I do now? What do I do? You have to spend a lot of time learning about that lab. Yeah, how the lab works and why and why are they doing this? And then you like the human condition, you know, And it's like religion might be an evolutionary part of evolution. Yeah. You know, like people coming together as a community to believe all one thing for survival, like part of survival. The problem is that there's different humans all over the planet evolved at different rates in different ways, but they all have their specific religions that all kind of relate all for the sake of survival. Base because. Evolution, but then these religions kind of fern. So the weird thing about choice is that humans get to kill each other if they say the other ones did bad. And so I have all these evolutionary religions for the sake of survival that have now become the opposite of evolutionary survival. It's getting in the way of survival. It's becoming like a hindrance to evolution. It really is. 100% is. Sorry, I just made sense of what doesn't make sense. You're welcome. Boom. This is the More Comment podcast. You just became a fan. I was a good ones. I got you. I'm up. Okay, I'm up. I have one over panels here. That's just, you know, I'm a wordy person. Everyone knows that if you listen on long enough, I can give a wordy answer. So I have a wordy post. You're so wordy. And I can do the word and post. Here. Yeah, this is long. Longer than usual, but it's good from the religious trauma forum user. What's wrong with me? 2 to 3. Nothing would appreciate some advice from people who have healed their religious trauma. I'm Zack. This one looks like it was written for us. Okay, just kidding. We haven't. We're healing. Healing. Always healing, Always healing. I've been consciously putting an effort to heal, but this holiday season has been hard for me. All of me. I just want to not care at all. When I see the Keep Christ in Christmas signs and other Christian propaganda, I'm in a group chat with my husband's family and his new stepdad sent an nativity scene image to the group. Knowing there are several, several of us in there, They don't believe in that. I personally found it inconsiderate, but my logical side knows it was innocent and he has the right to share his beliefs and he also doesn't realize that stuff triggers me. Part of me wants to tell him I'm healing from religious trauma and educate him on how Christmas was stolen from the pagans. But the other part of me really wants to let go and just not give a shit. I tell myself, let them believe whatever they want. It doesn't affect you, but for whatever reason it still bothers me. How do I heal and stop caring? I just want to let. You know The. One thing I found interesting about this post and why I saved it was it literally varied. It's still very different, but it's same, same bit different. Like this is our lives. We have family group texts with our father and mother who are past. Same things are being texted in. And so we're there's probably a lot similarity going on in a lot of people's lives with these group texts, with Christian parents or relig religious fanatic evangelical family members. What do you. Say to that? And I'm not I'm not we aren't here to solve anyone's problems. So I want to say that first. But I was listening to Mel Robbins. If you know who Mel Robbins is. There's Mel Robbins. She's a big in the podcast world now. She's had a podcast. It's kind of blown up, but she's like a motivational speaker. Okay, I'm not naturally someone I'd be like, like, like I've get all my advice from her, but she has some really amazing tools and advice, and it always blows my mind because she has a very like, I don't connect with like her as a person and I really connect with some, some her ideas, but then like she'll say something on like for some reason they're like, next my anxiety and my my trauma, but worse. On a recent podcast she did she has this theory that she does called the Let Them theory where you'll start living your life when you just let everyone else around. You have their own feelings, their own opinions, do whatever they want and you stop trying to ever control them. Because that trigger that this person is talking about is is you're trying to make sure people don't trigger you trying to control them when in reality it's just let let they're not going to stop believing. They're not going to This is their reality. And as much as you don't want that reality to be a real thing and you see it's corrupt, it's like you're going to have to just let them let them be and just you, you live, you you be you. My advice is, like they even said in this post, I want to let them like, yeah, let them, let them just do it. And I don't know. You can also take other steps as like getting out of that group. If it's actually going to be triggering to you, start setting boundaries in event. And that's something I really learned in 2023 is that sometimes you just have to be the mature adult in your relationships with your parents or your adults around you and just set boundaries and awkward and as stupid as you may feel, but just being like, Hey, I'm healing and this is a boundary and I want you to cross it. And now if they cross it, they're actually like fighting against you. And then you can kind of see that it's way more blatant and you're just like, Now the boundaries is a big one too. But that let them theory really helps me for some reason. Am a really good point man. Those are really good advice. I totally agree with all of that. Yeah. Yeah. I think I when I read it, I'm thinking where I'm at because I struggled with this most of my life, wanting people not like, not always with friends. Mostly like when I'm thinking of from like, this post, I'm thinking of our parents. Yeah. I'm even thinking like, you know, when I first walked away and like, most people were in the church and like most people I knew were in the church. And so the way they would talk to me about stuff and. There was specifically someone in the church, sorry, it's just came into my head that called a dead man the second you walked at 15, you started calling a dead man into the state and still call you dead man. Yeah, No. And I think it's so rude when they do that. I never did want to know why. I never thought I was rude. Well, actually. There are some personal things to that person. And right now, things with them that I. I've had so much, and everyone matters. Every single person deserves. Everyone deserves space to be a human being. And I think, like, why like certain people you like your parents, you might have a lot more of them, like a. Super. Personal, emotional response to everything. But there's so much history and normal parental trauma and like, crazy histories and like, like not everyone has the same effect on everybody. And but yeah, there was a lot of people who said shit, and I walked away and I was just kind of like. Especially to a. Child. But so many of those people, man, at such a young age, even though I could feel this rage, it was so pointless to try to like, tell them they were wrong or why I thought they were wrong. And I tried to just put this post on my own life right now, like with our parents and our family this Christmas and like you and I both, I left a family group text two years ago. It was like a bunch of us from immediate family and there was a lot of like Trump was still president. It was like 2020 or something. But we both left that one. And I like because there was just so much. A lot of times like evangelical Christians, like, don't they? They're not just preaching the gospel, their politics. Cause like, yeah. And emotional. And so there's like every issue in the world can become an issue that they need to share their opinion on. And we were raised by that that's in our families. Yeah. Whether they're people in our family, they're religious or not. I think that's like part of like culture. People love to just talk about shit that doesn't fully affect them so that they can have an opinion. And you ultimately you end up talking about shit that isn't any real issue of what's going on in this planet. Like the planet heating up. It's much easier to make that a huge conflict in religious circles and it's something to be like. Global warring is an evil. Thought and it's making our children stupid. And it's like, No, no, no, no. It's so. Real. It gets it. Like, can we just talk about why it's real and how we can maybe fix it and or is there ways to like, Right. It becomes the. Huge. Conflict about religion and like how it impacts the religion. And I think like all of these conversations this person's talking about like, how do I not care? It's like. Well, the. Only way I stopped here, like, I always care. I still like even though I am so not involved in having conversations with mom and dad anymore that are like political, I don't even really respond when do the things I get triggered by. I used to yell and respond to everything and I like I still care much, but like the difference is that I have been able to focus so much of more of my energy on just the sounds egotistical, but it's not actually me. All my energy just on me, not anybody else. If we're worried about how other people feel about us, how other people live their lives, then we're going to reflect other people's experience back at them. So if you have a parent that's like, you need to hear this, you know, Christmas needs Christ, Christ, Jesus Christ, these are staying Christmas. You're going to reflect that and be like, No, I care that you know why that's bad. And it's like, but if you could just focus on you and only you around life like this is your experience and maybe the pressure, there wouldn't be as much reflectiveness of other people. You wouldn't worry as much as what other people thought because you're just worrying about what you think of yourself, which is ultimately the most important thing. Yeah, right. And because none of this shit affects anybody else, unless, like, you make people feel really, really bad for it. Just for being. Just for. Living. Yeah. And to just in the going back to this comment on this post, to know that you're trauma's real someone that didn't suffer in the church the way you did or coming out of it suffer looks at that same post from that person in the text right and just it's like cool. Someone expressing that way. They celebrate Christmas and it just doesn't even affect them. How could it Why would it, you know, Whereas like us, it's like, yeah, we just had the same thing happen with our parents and they have a big thing that they part of the church every Christmas. And it's a very big event here in town, the. Living Nativity. In the main city. They get a bunch of real camels and it's a very big thing. And they have a human wear when they call it manger and they do a real baby. And it's this huge thing and a bunch of pictures got sent. And instantly I was just like, I wanted to leave the chat and it's nothing against. It's again, it's not them, it's that it triggers me and it's all me. And, and that's where you have to just be like, they're never going to stop doing that though. So I just have to let them be them. But that's so. Hard and it's it's that's more it's like some things just become boundaries. And these are the people that were a huge part in raising us as kids and then impacting us as adults based on their views of us because we want their love. And so the feeling is like, I want them to love me. I want them to love me the way I want to be loved. Yeah. So we care because it's like, don't they get it because we want love? They don't. We need love because we're all people that need love. And we have our parents and we if you're lucky enough to have your family still in your life and you're wanting to try to have a relationship with them, even though they're somewhat abusive based on their religion, they follow. That's a difficult it's just difficult. It is. It's going to be hard not to care if you're wanting a relationship with the people that aren't loving you unconditionally. They're loving you condition based on their religion. But yeah, they make they gaslight you and you being the one that has conditioned love. Yeah, it's it's spiral. It is. And so it's okay to for it to be like the person's like, how do I, how do I like, just not care? And it's kind of like, well, maybe you'll stop caring as much for the moment you realize it's okay to care as much as you do. Yeah, but there's a difference between, like, care out of the nest, like the need for love or the because you do that person. So I care about them and how they're treating me because I love them. That's different than being like, I've been hurt. You need to know why. Yeah. That's a victim. Yeah. Right. And that's not your fault. But that's still a victim. Being like you hurt me. I'm a victim. And now you're going to learn why. Yeah, and that's basically what they're doing first at you. And you can even separate yourself further. And they're actually hurting you. It's the religion that's hurting you. And just because they're a part of it and they're facilitating it and they're texting you images of their aggressive religion in the way they self a Christianity or Christmas. That's the religion. That's the cult. It is not your. I suggest you all time our parents are just they just they're just lost in a cult. Don't blame them. Blame the cult. Blame the religion. And that helps at least for me, helps. Me boundaries. And and end because they're still in it. You have to set boundaries because they want you back in it. They really want you back. And that's the only thing they dream about. And so you have to be like, there's a boundary here when you get triggered. Just if it really is going to trigger you the next time and you know, it just put that boundary up. And if it if it's you leaving a text thread, then leave a text read and be honest and why you left it, communicate it because that's communication is really powerful and there's a lot of love and just being honest. So just be honest and don't be don't hurt or hate anybody. Just be loving awareness and be aware that you were doing. Yeah, I dude. All right, So we both do one more and then we should begin online. There's two comments I want to. Read to you. This was a wordy one. I go for. It is a great post. That's a great post. But I also think these comments are really. Good because you just. Really did drop some gold and I was reflecting on it more as like personally where I'm at in our families because we're I think anyone suffering from religious trauma or not suffering but has a religious family that they're not religious with is going through similar shit. Yeah. This person, the light behind your eyes says, I wouldn't say I'm healed as I don't think I ever will be fully, but I'm more immune. This stuff, I guess I'm going to be honest. The holidays are real hard for people like us, but how do I deal with that? Is just realizing that most of these people don't mean any harm and it's just what they know. Is it right? Not always, but it's easier to let them shout about keeping Christ in Christmas than arguing. It's such a dumb thing to argue, and it's less energy to sometimes just let them say they're dumb. Shit. I'm not sure about the letting go not caring part, but I just try to distract myself. I suppose. Wishing you all the best this holiday season and I hope you're being kind and gentle to yourself as well. The reason why I love this comment so much is exactly That's exactly how I feel and what I've been practicing in our family and how we are brothers. And so we get to experience these dynamics that we read about in real life. And I get to see Zach and how he is where he is in life, whereas me, where I am. And I have been very aware of how like the last and full of family events where political conversations have come up, crypto currency, electric cars, whatever it is, every conversation it seems like has a flare in our family with our parents that has this conservative religious, evangelical Christian thing. And Zach's really good at having these conversations that ultimately don't become arguments. There just can be intense conversations with our dad. And I am someone that's not as good at that. I get emotional, I get heated up. And so one of the things I've practiced like over a year now is I don't I just don't. Talk me. Down very good. At that. And I don't talk anymore when I used to be talking all the time. Yeah. So any time, even a conversation that's not even religious, it's just a conversation that feels in my gut like, no, the perfect example. I did respond to this one. The perfect example was when both my fiance's dad and my dad were having a conversation on how video games, violent video games make kids more violent, and they asked me what I thought and I did respond. But what's funny is when they asked me, I looked around the table and I made eye contact with you, Alex and Megan. And you guys all looked at me like, What are you going to do, buddy? Like, you couldn't save the kids like. This feeling of me knowing, like, Damn, I'm really aware of this moment, of. How. It's just about not having those conversations, right? Like, that's where I've been at. Yeah. And you're in a different place sometimes, and I've noticed that. And so I think, like, we're living this life where in this family we're trying to really our best to grow in our relationship and set boundaries. And that's a huge part of boundaries, is group texts, boundaries and group texts and boundaries at dinner boundaries in group family conversations. Like there's just boundaries everywhere. Yeah, you keep. Yourself hopefully out of a place of having to care about shit that you shouldn't have to worry about caring about and you can just love. Yeah, right. And you have to care for yourself because the people closest to you that love you aren't going care for you, at least the ones that you want. In that regard. And these conversations like that type of care. Exactly. You know, like this is such a huge part of conversation is like. It's such a privilege to have a loved one, like a partner or a fiance or wife or husband, whatever you identify as, and that can support you and your drama with. Your family and with. Your family not supporting you in your trauma because at. Those events, too. So many people who are still in it don't believe in religious trauma. They think you're lost and they think that that's what you have, trauma because you walked away. Yeah. And when you can have someone just openly see the insanity and then agree with you that it's like, dude, your upbringing was wild and you at least have that assurance, Then you're like, my reasons. Why are they going to let them be wild? It's easier. Don't get mad at me. I have one more comment. I saw this. Go for it real quick because it's just so good. And this this person I've seen post up on religious trauma form now lot otherwise natural 52 says healing looks like different things at different moments. It's okay that you get triggered. The goal is for you to heal. The goal really isn't to educate others until you are fully healthy and you may choose to educate people with your time, but I don't recommend it until you have healed it. Because a distraction from the actual problem, which is that you are suffering and have needs that are not being met. If you can focus, on your growth, that is the best thing for you. That's just kind of where I can conclude on this post that I was saying, if all of your energy is focused on. Your healing, you. You're going to be told by these religious people that you're the egotistical person. All you care about is. Yourself or you care about. Yourself. But actually what you're doing is you're focusing on the cosmos that illuminates from within you going outward. And that, my friends, is way more powerful than being like God first, giving yourself to God first. But if you realize that God is you first, this ends with you. There you are, the alpha and Omega. You are all that you are. That's that's. That's where it should be. Totally, you know. All right. This is our last and final post. We want to mine Here we go. Post on the X Christian Forum by music might kill 93. It definitely cut. Here we go with ignorant blanket generalizations by Christians again, trigger warning. Toxic religion. By Mark Hunter Dells Baptist and a world that coaches young people and how to reinterpret their Christian upbringing as abuse. I just want to publicly say how thankful I am for parents who required me to respect authority, Read the Bible and go to church. Mark Hunter. Thanks. Mark Hunter. As white as they come. To make your point, it's always. A white guy. So anyone talking and thinking the oppressiveness of Christianity in their lives is always a white, privileged male. And I'm a I'm a white privileged male too. So I'm saying that is like. Of course. Mark. Thanks, Mark. I don't know, man. It in a world that coaches young people and how to reinterpret their Christian upbringing as abuse, what world do you live in? You know how rare it is, you know, podcast like this, talking openly about religious trauma feel very few and normally they don't continue doing it because it's we see the backlash There's no world that's re-interpret their Christian upbringing as abuse. World are you talking about. You're right. I hope that. World comes true. That's the goal of this podcast. It's to push that vendetta. Well, I think it's. Your first response is it's a white male, right? Yeah. And why is. It, I. Guess what you said, why is it that like it's always white men? Because the Bible loves white men. All the privilege in the Bible is to white men. So check this out. X Baptists hear from one of the comments that I just found. Just throw it away Dairy. Just throw it away there from Baptists, says this virtue signaling is how Christian males mark their territory. They climb up the tallest tree or hill, beat their chests like King Kong and shout this nonsense as a challenge and a benchmark for how the lesser males should behave. The lesser males, church members mimic the pack Alpha four status approval and access to mating. It is Stone Age pack behavior with superstition mixed in to control the women in protect the hierarchy. Very well. Said. Interesting. Very interesting. That might be why it's white males. They're always getting out there on Twitter. Yeah, and X being like, I just want to thank my abusers. Yeah. For the abuse. Yeah, that's basically what they're saying in this post. Yes. They're saying, you know, in a world that like teaches young people what abuse is, I just want to thank my abusers for abusing me. Yeah. And so fuck the world for teaching people on abuse. Yes. Yeah. Temporary. Send some nim. Temperance. No, Mom says so. He gets up So? So he sets up an argument against people unpacking trauma. Expel things in churches, then thinks I love going to church is a perfect rebuttal, they say, and a world that coaches young people to reinterpret their abuser as abusive. I just wanted to say how thankful I am for my abuser. Yeah, it's precisely what I want a post. To end on for. Today. You know, And there's people who are like legit being abused that might even say the same thing in an abusive relationship. Yeah. So I mean, that's just would that was a great way to wrap it back to the first post we talked about that it's an abusive relationship you have with God and I'm so sorry this man Mark is lost in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we can get Mark in a safe house. I think. I think maybe it looks like Mark is. There's somebody in that picture with Mark that might mean they might be. Need a safe house. Okay. That wraps it up. And yeah, so. Let's bring it on back. Now and let's bring it back. You know, it's it's been a few weeks. We didn't do the last episode. We've decided that we're not going to be doing this segment of our podcast. When we interview people, we're going to keep this to ourselves, you know, because this is our thing. It really is our thing. Let's go on over to the game. Cam Right. Why would you do that? Do I like to change up every once in a while? Okay, now the game cam. Here are the more of podcasts we really believe in connecting with your inner child. And one of the ways that we do that here in the Mall kind of podcast, after having, you know, deeper, vulnerable conversations around our past trauma, any drama in general or just having our license is by playing Microcurrent 64 and this Nintendo 64 here in. Studio. With our in antennas which we after going to church as kids would come home after church and play Mario Kart. That was one of the things that we looked up to and looked forward to the most. And so we are redefining our childhood today in our adulthood and becoming, you know, let's. Just get yeah, I'm just going to I. I believe this is like. This is 7.0 block 477. Point Yeah. That means we've played every single level in the battle six, six times and. We've played big on a seven. AM or you today, I'm for sure worry. I knew you going to be DKA None of it. I'm not worried. Know Well if you. Were the green rose block four it's 7.0. Four. It's the biggest one they'll ask you Unless. You just want me to say you knew it. You just want me to say it. Did I say it out loud? Here, we got three to you. Good bye, Zachary. Take care. I'm coming for you. you want to just bounce around. Jump around The problem Due to jump around, if you just. Goof off, you're going to lose. You know that. I take this. Okay? I can't. Even if you just run into walls, you lose to series. Not a good start for me. Ooh, Red show. Why is the TV The TV's kind of harder for me to see right now. It's because you just took a. Sip of Jesus's juice. No, I think it's because it's like. I don't think the angles change. Because you've been playing in a few weeks. We've moved TV around. I think that you're a cheater. We both have stars. Interesting. Buddy. Okay, so far, this game is kind of hard for me to play. dude, that was massive. Dude, I heard that really hurt. man, I didn't see the timing is going to match up. you see the same thing. Not as exciting. When I fail. I would do explosive hit. Thanks, man. okay. This game is very. 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I hit buy. Sell yourself. But it's okay, man. Or is it? I don't like the way you're playing. You mean? Well. dude, I just wasted that. Good. That way you read that? I'm playing Sometimes the games we play on this cast, I feel like I hope nobody. No boring dude doing good is dodging bullets. Come here. Come here. Where are you? Whoa. Did I hit you, man? To do it, man? Do it! And you do? That was one of the worst. Games I've ever played. And it's okay. You'll come back the next one That was so bad. I even right now. Feel like I can't even hold the tone. Right. You are hung over from Raven so hard. Dude, all it. Is is from the loud beats. Man, I never used to like have headaches from loud bass and stuff is. I think maybe it's louder now. I do. I think it probably is. Or maybe my ears are just way more sensitive. goodness. Where are you? Right, my buddy. Why do we get both get stars so annoying? They planet is a funny line, buddy. Amanda. serious. Too fast. Too fast. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You did. Last millisecond of the end star saved your life. Security bill, I tell you, scaring me, it was bad. You went the right way, though. I was gonna tell you if you and the other way you were not. did I? And you got shot. my God. I'm playing here pretty bad. my God. Horrible idea. I'm hungry. I'm so stupid. And then I'll eat bananas all the. Way up the. yeah, that's bananas. Finally. Hey, hey, ho. Just kill me Now you have over 1 million. I'm so. This might be. The first actual wipe where you didn't get one. Balloon. I, I really don't want to play this game anymore. I want to be over. You got your wish? Yeah, I want this be over now. We only come at the start. Come on, come on, Let's go. goodness. goodness. goodness. Come on. Come on. No, no. wow. No bananas. All I got. To do bananas Saved. You the building idol. dear. Danger Lane, those bananas. No, no. my God, This is so bad. This whole entire episode right now is so annoying, because all you're hearing is me grunting and moaning. And you are moaning and groaning pretty, pretty. High, because you. You're having a hard time. my goodness. my. my. Goodness. All of my. During an awful lot of obstacles, dude. Lot of obstacles in this game. I see you're up there downstairs now. Downstairs, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap, yap. Okay. And everyone wishes that this game end soon. But if I win just from some miraculous reason. And great game, it'll be really annoying. goodness. Don't hit us down. Hit them. I want that one. My bananas do well, my bananas do my bananas do. what a great way that may get. Yeah. okay. Okay. I lost it. It's going to be a full swipe. Knock me off. You swipe today. But I'm going to get you right now. Come get me. Come get me. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, I can get me. You really are. Lingering on this one. Come get me trying to do. Your thing and I'll play Get Smash, dude. I mean, it was kind of obvious. That was a little bit nerve wracking. Like, maybe Nathan's going to pull through. No, no, it is pretty obvious that I. I don't know. It's been. No, we're not playing all the time. It's like it's a loud music man. You listen to. Last night to just all. So I want to really try to put you need to have up, up, up. I want to do the deejay. Do stuff like this where it was like. Doo doo. How do you feel temperatures go, My God, why do you have to do that? Every DJ in the world, dude. They did a pretty good job there was like they spoke a couple of times and it worked because it was like barely. They didn't talk on the mic at all. Yeah, things are changing. Professional culture. Yeah. It's not as like. You also went to like the, the, the Millennial. Club last night. Well now there was a bunch of Gen Z we were with. Fresh Fest San Francisco and it's happening tonight and tomorrow and thanks to my they're doing they're doing New. Year's Day. Fiancee Megan she's. Happy she. Gets us out there to have fun. So they're doing a New Year's Day section, actually. Three day music. I know, but I thought it was Saturday, Sunday. No, no, no, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. You know, and let's go to a rave on a monday, too. I think there's a lot. Of people hashtag case of the Monday. Good game again dude Echo garage on it. Well. Happy New Year. Happy 2024. Super super excited. I love you all. Thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. And the new listeners, some of you've reached out. Love you. Thank you for being here. Nadia. And I'm happy to you. Happy to have We. Are shooting for an interview next episode. Let's make sure that happens. Zachary anything text in your questions. Axon In your if you made it this. Far. Yeah. Kathleen You made it this far. Just touches the question, even if it's like. If you made it this far Texas and be like, Hey, I made it to 83 minutes. Yeah. Yep, yep. Anyone that made 83 minutes just. Got a text in the moment. Not any hundred. Bucks. Yeah, we'll interview to interview you and just be like, wow, did you get this line? It's a 90. We're done. Everybody here are.