Episode 54 - A BIG announcement OR Autistic people do not like change

In this episode of “Late To The Party,” Bianca and Dan drop a bombshell with a shock announcement that you won’t want to miss! But that’s not all—we dive into a fascinating meme about mental health professionals that has been making the rounds over at Spectrumy, sparking some insightful and tense discussions.

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Tune in for an episode packed with surprises, laughs, and shocks. This one is all about the big reveal, and trust us, it’s a game-changer!

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Episode 54 – A BIG announcement OR Autistic people don’t like surprises
October 16, 2024

Dan Kerr   1:49
Oh, did you colour your hair?

Bianca Paliaga   1:52
I look like Ronald McDonald.

Dan Kerr   1:54
I've done worse.

Bianca Paliaga   1:55
I'm actually getting it changed tomorrow.

Dan Kerr   1:59
Let's just get two colors together to combine a bit of brown or something.

Bianca Paliaga   2:04
Say well, that's my problem because I've actually like I dyed it.
But you can.
Sort of. See a little bit of brown. I'd forgotten I dyed myself this color once before, but it makes my hair like as soon as any.
Brown that comes through, it's just really obvious since I'm actually going to hairdresser tomorrow to get it changed.

Dan Kerr   2:19
Oh.

Bianca Paliaga   2:24
I did this myself and I'm doing it again.

Dan Kerr   2:24
OK.
Sometimes it's a very bad idea.

Bianca Paliaga   2:28
It was a bad idea, yeah.
And So what have you dyed your hair?
A strange color.

Dan Kerr   2:33
Well, I'm doing them to my bead.
That's what's happening with my bead.
It's, but it's it's it's you actually can do it like a shampoo every time you go in the shower, you just apply it for 3 minutes and so you never have.

Bianca Paliaga   2:41
Oh yeah.

Dan Kerr   2:45
The white coming through or anything like that. It's brilliant.

Bianca Paliaga   2:47
Have you been doing that?

Dan Kerr   2:49
Yeah. So it's slowly darkening.

Bianca Paliaga   2:52
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   2:53
Well, it's not white.

Bianca Paliaga   2:54
All right. OK.

Dan Kerr   2:57
Did you like my little intro?
I'm going to say this, and because it was just something that came up. I know I've said it.

Bianca Paliaga   3:02
Can you say that you haven't said it yet?

Dan Kerr   3:05
No, I'm not. I'm going to say now.
Hi. Hi, I'm Dan and I'm autistic.
Autism is not something caught or bought or sought.
It is our neurotype.
Autism is not something to fix.
And something like a specialized diet is not capable of changing my neurotype.
Nor did it trigger my neurotyp.
And I'm saying this because I've got really.
Avoid because I've been seeking out services in the area and when I put in ADHD, particular a whole lot of these freako bloody sites and services come up saying that they can fix you with diet. And I'm really annoyed by that.

Bianca Paliaga   3:52
It's quite like some people are really into it diet and some people are not.
I think it definitely would change like you know, sometimes, you know, children having read food dye, food colouring.
Sorry, can make them run around in circles some.

Dan Kerr   4:03
That's a fallacy. That's it's completely untrue.

Bianca Paliaga   4:07
You have to speak to my husband about that because he says that that was him. So he wasn't allowed to have two different colours or something when he was younger.

Dan Kerr   4:14
There might be some certain people, but in general it doesn't make any difference.
It's usually situational. You happen to have red cordial at parties and stuff like that when you're all excited.
And so there's no correlation between the actual cordial and getting over excited.

Bianca Paliaga   4:26
Hmm.
Gets yeah. Over. Excited. Maybe. Yeah.
So like things like, say Stella will, that's probably more food intolerant.
Stella will have something that's got dairy in it, and then she's kind of coughing and then she'll then she or she'll have a sore tummy, right?

Dan Kerr   4:35
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   4:42
And then she's going to be in a bad mood. And then she's going to lash out or be short tempered, right?

Dan Kerr   4:42
Yep.
Yep, that's she should be checking out IBS maybe, and going to a professional, not some Freako deco hippies who think they can cure someone with a potato.

Bianca Paliaga   4:52
Yes, yes.
Oh, definitely.
Plumbing. But The thing is, all potatoes aren't good for you.
But The thing is right, so I haven't had enough good food lately and I really need to eat more salmon and veggies rather than like, you know, a spinach or a cut of pie or all that sort of stuff.

Dan Kerr   5:13
Yes.

Bianca Paliaga   5:14
And I think that you, I mean your diet makes a difference, but not.

Dan Kerr   5:18
Of course it does.
Yeah, it's fuel.

Bianca Paliaga   5:19
Not going to cure cure autism.

Dan Kerr   5:21
No, it's good.
It's good fuel.
I've been very good.

Bianca Paliaga   5:24
Yeah, actually I looked up today.
I looked up a drug cause someone actually mentioned it.
Someone mentioned it that it actually, oh, yeah, they said their children were on Vyvanse and this drug.

Dan Kerr   5:36
Yep.

Bianca Paliaga   5:36
They're also on this drug because it means that they still have an appetite while they're on ADHD meds. And I was like, oh, what is that?
I said that to the friend and they said that the kid is on.
Risperdone, which a lot of people are on.
I've heard of that before, right?
And then I looked.
I googled it and actually I'm only bringing this up because you said it's actually an anti psychotic.
And it's for people with schizophrenia. And so it can help schizophrenia, and it can help autism. And I was like, hell, can you help autism?

Dan Kerr   6:09
Wow.

Bianca Paliaga   6:10
I don't whether I believe that bit.

Dan Kerr   6:12
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   6:12
Oh, that was just on the Google answers.
You know, like Oh yeah.

Dan Kerr   6:14
I know I just did the same thing actually just then.

Bianca Paliaga   6:18
Just then.

Dan Kerr   6:19
Yeah, because I've noticed something.
The last.
Few months I've been on. Are we supposed to say names?
Can I call it? I'm on.

Bianca Paliaga   6:28
Have you been on?

Dan Kerr   6:30
Let's call it concentration.

Bianca Paliaga   6:33
Oh, OK, right.

Dan Kerr   6:34
Right. So it's a different made that I was on before and this one sounds a bit like I'm going to a concert.

Bianca Paliaga   6:41
Can say it, but you're not recommending anything.

Dan Kerr   6:44
No, I'm not freeman.

Bianca Paliaga   6:44
You're just saying what you your medication is. That's OK.

Dan Kerr   6:47
That's right. OK. So Concerta.

Bianca Paliaga   6:50
Yes.

Dan Kerr   6:51
I've started to notice of the last few months I've been getting a little bit more agitated and aggressive.
I'm aware of it because I'm not.
I'm not an aggressive person and so I just googled it then and that's one of the side effects.

Bianca Paliaga   7:06
Yeah. Like really.

Dan Kerr   7:09
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   7:10
Well, that must be such an interesting thing for you to be aware of right now.

Dan Kerr   7:14
Know it's very interesting.
So you're being a bit bit pooey.

Bianca Paliaga   7:18
Does it help you?
Are you finding it helps though?

Dan Kerr   7:20
It does.
A lot.

Bianca Paliaga   7:22
That's crap.
We could still speak to your psych about it and just say that, and there might be something similar.

Dan Kerr   7:23
One of the least common side effects, yeah.
Yeah. Then maybe.
I'm not sure, like I don't know.
Sometimes I think with if you channel it well, that's I think that's a good thing. You know what I mean?
You can channel it to to to, to good effect at work or whatever, but obviously you can and I've I'm aware already good at handling those sorts of emotions, so maybe I'll I'll have a talk to him, but I'm I'm OK with it.

Bianca Paliaga   7:45
Yes.
Yeah, fair enough.

Dan Kerr   7:56
Maybe Jenny isn't.

Bianca Paliaga   7:58
Yeah, I'm OK with being angry.
So I haven't introduced myself.
My name is Bianca. I am.
I don't feel like labelling myself right now.
I am a middle-aged. No, I'm in my mid 40s.
Am I middle-aged?
Yeah, middle-aged.

Dan Kerr   8:17
I wouldn't call them middle-aged as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe post 45 maybe?

Bianca Paliaga   8:23
Am I M46?

Dan Kerr   8:24
Oh, OK.
Yeah, maybe 50s official, I think 50 is like that.

Bianca Paliaga   8:26
Oh yeah, you are. You middle-aged, yeah.

Dan Kerr   8:28
That's the there's no two buts about it.

Bianca Paliaga   8:32
Yeah. OK. No denying it then.
Yeah, perimenopausal woman.

Dan Kerr   8:34
No.

Bianca Paliaga   8:38
Person.

Dan Kerr   8:39
Neuro spicy. Are you gonna say like neuro divergent and generalistic?

Bianca Paliaga   8:43
Oh yeah, and you're a divergent. Finding it a challenge, I guess at the moment with I feel like my ADHD and my autism are fighting each other a lot right now.

Dan Kerr   8:52
I think.

Bianca Paliaga   8:53
And it's just, it sucks like people used to.
I'd heard people say that before and I didn't feel that way, but I think the perimenopause has come in and that is that's on the side of the ADHD.
So they're a lot.
They're stronger now and they're beating the autism, but the autism is not going away either.

Dan Kerr   9:08
Go. This sounds like some sort of, you know, fantasy Lord of the rings type thing.

Bianca Paliaga   9:12
The battle.
Oh yes, you could draw a story. You could make a story about that and we could do some cartoons and.

Dan Kerr   9:17
No, you should give them names because then they're giving them names. Helps.

Bianca Paliaga   9:21
Yes, like you know what, M rossiano what she did.
So she's done a show which we're going to, and one of the she's got a dragon in it and the Dragon's name is menopausia.

Dan Kerr   9:32
OK.
See, that's perfect.
It really does make a difference because we like stories.

Bianca Paliaga   9:34
It is.
Try to include mracio in every single episode.

Dan Kerr   9:37
We.
Yeah. And I'm. I'm gonna try and do that with blind boy as well, because that blind boy, my favorite podcast just popped into my head.
There's something he said as well, and that the reason that people aren't so getting so full on about climate change is because everyone's just hearing about facts and we don't care about facts. We care about good stories and, you know, and that's why myths last so long.
Because they.
They're attractive to us.
They they work for our brain types, so that's what you need to do.

Bianca Paliaga   10:05
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   10:07
You need to create characters.

Bianca Paliaga   10:09
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   10:10
For them and and see what happens then in the battle.

Bianca Paliaga   10:13
Yeah. OK.
I thought I've got an actual announcement to make and I think I'll make it right now so that we can just.

Dan Kerr   10:22
Am I supposed to be putting drum rolls or anything?
Am I supposed to do any like?

Bianca Paliaga   10:25
No, you did like a like that.

Dan Kerr   10:27
I got some music for the end.

Bianca Paliaga   10:29
OK, OK.

Dan Kerr   10:30
Maybe I should put it on now.
I'll put a bit of it now and at the end as well.

Bianca Paliaga   10:33
OK.
Do it now.
Do it now.
Do it now.

Dan Kerr   10:34
OK, there it's going OK.

Bianca Paliaga   10:37
OK, I've decided to reply to retire.
As a podcaster, I'm just putting it out there blankly and out there. However, I am more than happy to be a special guest.
On this podcast. Yeah. Yep. OK.

Dan Kerr   10:53
General. Yes, on any podcast.
So anyway, the podcast out there I'm available.

Bianca Paliaga   11:00
Just felt like it.
I just thought about. Just feel like you know me.
I like my job, my bright, sparkly things, and it's not that I haven't liked it.
I've just it's not bright and sparkly for me anymore, and life is short.

Dan Kerr   11:14
Mm hmm.

Bianca Paliaga   11:14
I'm middle-aged so I need to.
Find that next bright, sparkly thing, but without letting go of this one.
And it's not that I don't like you, Dan.
It's not about that at all.
I did have to have said it to a couple of people and they said, oh, have you had a falling out?
No, not falling out.

Dan Kerr   11:28
Oh, of course, of course.

Bianca Paliaga   11:29
I don't know what you're saying behind my back, however, I haven't.
Said anything?
Nothing new negative, just you know, same old about you.
No. So I'm enjoying I. But I also think that this is really good for you because I feel like you've probably felt a lot that I'm holding it back a lot because I am and I was because yeah, there's like something that, you know, you sort of have.
Planned coming up and that was probably the trigger for me. Something that kind of big that might be happening and when that was starting to happen, I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

Dan Kerr   11:58
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   12:01
In my head.
No, no, I don't want that to happen.
Which is silly and.

Dan Kerr   12:06
Can talk about it.
That's right, cuz it's it's happening.
So we can talk about it.

Bianca Paliaga   12:10
Oh, OK.
Well, yeah.
So you talk, you say you know more about it than me.

Dan Kerr   12:15
I'll talk about more like later, but basically.

Bianca Paliaga   12:18
Why don't you launch it?
No, no, no.
It's a surprise people have to listen in the future.

Dan Kerr   12:21
It's too much for people.
It's too much.
You can't have two big things going on.
That's a bit much.

Bianca Paliaga   12:27
That's the other big thing.

Dan Kerr   12:29
You.

Bianca Paliaga   12:29
What are you saying?

Dan Kerr   12:32
You've made.

Bianca Paliaga   12:33
No, but wouldn't you say we've got a special announcement coming up that I'll announce next episode, because that way 'cause you probably lose a whole lot of people that are listening because they only listen to me. So now they'll listen.

Dan Kerr   12:38
That's perfect.
Yeah. So hold out.

Bianca Paliaga   12:43
They'll listen again next step because I want to know what this big announcement is.
So I think you need to hold off until next episode.

Dan Kerr   12:48
That's right.
Yes, it's very exciting.
It's going to be very exciting, particularly for people who live in.
Victoria, I guess.

Bianca Paliaga   12:56
Oh look, they could.
They could fly in from overseas. Yeah. So it just made me. Yeah, probably. Bit of PDA or whatever, but I just was like, no, no, no.

Dan Kerr   12:58
Yeah, they could, they, absolutely.

Bianca Paliaga   13:06
But must also have control, but don't want to be involved.
Don't have time.
I just don't have time like it's. I've got a lot of stuff and it's not going to get easier. It's going to get, there's going to be more stuff.
So anyway, I am retiring, but I would love to be a special guest, especially if there's like topics that you think that I could add to caus.
That would be fun, but I I actually feel like personally, like it's really hard.

Dan Kerr   13:23
Yes.

Bianca Paliaga   13:25
I like two people talking.
Hard when we have a guest and I think there's three because I'm not very good with three people in any situation, so I would prefer if I was interviewing people that it would be just me interviewing, not that I am anymore because I'm retiring. But I think it.

Dan Kerr   13:29
Mm hmm.

Bianca Paliaga   13:39
Sounds better when you're interviewing with one person.

Dan Kerr   13:40
It does work here.
Yeah, yeah.
So you have had a recent one with Shadia where I'd called her up and talking about something. We're going to be talking about on the next episode or I'm going to be talking about, which is about online apps and things like that.
And yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   13:55
You mean shardia? Hancock Hancock from autism.

Dan Kerr   13:57
I do.

Bianca Paliaga   13:58
Actually, is that who you're talking about? Yes.

Dan Kerr   13:59
That's right. Yes, the very same.

Bianca Paliaga   14:02
Great. That's really exciting.

Dan Kerr   14:04
Oh yes, she was great. Fantastic.

Bianca Paliaga   14:06
They were.

Dan Kerr   14:07
Uh.
What will be saying?
Oh yeah, one person more than one, more than one person makes it difficult. I.

Bianca Paliaga   14:13
Yeah. Did you prefer it without me?

Dan Kerr   14:18
I've done a few of those already.
I'm sort of used to be able to do those sort of interview things one-on-one because I've done a few of them already anyway.

Bianca Paliaga   14:23
Yeah.
I do.
I do have a question for you, Dan.
So when I was thinking about this, I hadn't told my husband. Actually, when I told my husband was the same time I told your wife that I was deciding that I was leaving, so I hadn't spoken to him about it.
But I have been thinking about it probably for six months.
Just little bit, a little bit and then I just went.
No, I've just got to do this. And so they were both sitting here and I just said, you know what I'm going to say something to you both.
And I said it and I said, how do you think?
I said I'm not saying this to you, Jen, so that you know to make it difficult for you. But how should I tell Dan?
She said that she thinks that you might just need time to process it.
So she would sort of mention it and then I would tell you.

Dan Kerr   15:02
Brush.

Bianca Paliaga   15:03
But you know what?
Then you went away and that which is true, right?
That's a really good way.
So then you went away for the week. Then I went away for the week and guess what?
Like I haven't actually told you, but this like this is right now I'm telling you right now that I'm leaving the podcast. We haven't actually had a conversation about it.

Dan Kerr   15:18
Yes. No, no, that you know it's.

Bianca Paliaga   15:21
But I knew that you knew.

Dan Kerr   15:24
I said some stupid GIF I think.
Was it a dog or a cat walking away with a with luggage or something?

Bianca Paliaga   15:32
Think I picked up one with that man.
It's like OK random.

Dan Kerr   15:35
Think anyone would?
I don't think anyone would.
It's one of those moments where you do something, you go.
Is anyone gonna get what I just did?
No, they're really probably not.

Bianca Paliaga   15:42
So it's like that dog.

Dan Kerr   15:44
Is that offensive is like that.
That's just undervaluing everything by just sending a gift.

Bianca Paliaga   15:47
No, I love dogs.

Dan Kerr   15:51
I was still looking for it.

Bianca Paliaga   15:51
I I think I I feel like that would probably be just like a you're putting your hand out.

Dan Kerr   15:53
No, here it is.
It's a little kid, a little toddler walking down the street with a with a like a suitcase and that that's all I sent.

Bianca Paliaga   16:05
Oh, well. See, I didn't pick up on that because the next thing I went to horse therapy and the horse therapist said, oh, you and Dan? No, I said Dan and I aren't doing the podcast anymore. And she said, oh, I know.
And I was like, what is he telling everyone? But when we have, I know I didn't know that at that point.

Dan Kerr   16:20
Because I interviewed her.

Bianca Paliaga   16:23
Yeah. So and she was going to be another.
Oh, no. You had her already on yet, so that was.
Peggy the from Grey Horse.

Dan Kerr   16:31
Yeah. The yeah, exactly, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   16:32
Yeah. So this is our first anyway.
How do you like when Jen told you? Honestly, what did you think or how did you feel?
You can use the F word for your first time.

Dan Kerr   16:42
Built it.
No, not gonna happen.

Bianca Paliaga   16:44
Did you say filtered?

Dan Kerr   16:45
Not gonna happen. No, I felt. I I I, I.

Bianca Paliaga   16:47
OK.

Dan Kerr   16:50
Yeah, I felt that that, that, that might be coming, you know? And but the good thing is this thing that I'll be announcing next week has got me.

Bianca Paliaga   16:53
Yes.

Dan Kerr   17:02
Very much focused.
I'm like, I'm hyper focused, big time, hyper focused at the moment.

Bianca Paliaga   17:05
Get another F word.

Dan Kerr   17:08
So it's like it's like when you're.
We're. We're at the. Oh is is, is, is hubby.
It is Paul there at the moment.
Well, the battle of the Somme where both of the Battle of the Somme we've just crawling up to get over the top of one of the little sort of ditches that have been dug.
We both go at the same time.
You get a bullet in the head and drop right.
I looked at the side go, no, but then realise I'm there as well. I need to keep running.

Bianca Paliaga   17:45
Yes.

Dan Kerr   17:45
But that's that's what it's been like at the moment.
I'm so focused on what I have to do that I haven't.

Bianca Paliaga   17:51
Yes, but I think you'll you'll be better without me.

Dan Kerr   17:54
Well, and if we took a bit like practical things, I can organize my time the way I want to.

Bianca Paliaga   17:58
Yes, yes.

Dan Kerr   18:00
You know, that sort of thing, but it doesn't bother me.

Bianca Paliaga   18:01
Yes.

Dan Kerr   18:03
It didn't bother me anyway.

Bianca Paliaga   18:05
Kind of bit like a break up right?
Because it's like you knew it was coming for a while.
But you couldn't you just?
Yeah. We didn't talk about it.
We knew it was coming and then I've said it.
Yeah. And you're just, yeah. You're gonna have to go on without me.

Dan Kerr   18:21
Are you going to say to the party poop is it's not you, it's me.

Bianca Paliaga   18:27
Well, it is.
That's the truth, though, isn't it?
It's the truth.
So I think I just need like all good breakups, I think I'm going to have to just go away for a short amount of time before I get so my heart can heal.
And then I can come back.
And we can be friends.

Dan Kerr   18:45
Get lost.
These are personas. Remember, these are podcast personas.

Bianca Paliaga   18:53
Yes.

Dan Kerr   18:54
Now, now one of our party poop is who happens to live near me.
Had a very funny suggestion, which I don't think.
What I think we'll do, but I thought it was very funny, so I wanted to mention it, he said. What?
Because I said he was like, how are you going to announce it and that sort of stuff?
And he said, you know what you should do? You should not say anything.
And every time you started recording, you can be sitting there saying, oh, hi, it's Dan here.
We're just not just waiting for Bianca to to arrive.
She's a couple of minutes late and then there'll be a phone call and you'll be calling up saying.
Giving some reason why you couldn't make it, but I'd be doing that every at start of every episode.

Bianca Paliaga   19:31
You know what?
I think you should still do that every episode, because that would be funny.
And then the people that haven't listened from earlier on, then they will just never get and they'll be like who is this Bianca?

Dan Kerr   19:36
OK.
Let's do it, OK?

Bianca Paliaga   19:41
Do it. I think that'd be fun.

Dan Kerr   19:42
OK.
So what we'll do, we'll do that later.
I'll get because it needs to be phone calls or we'll record you on the phone and you can do them all at once.
So you don't have to keep you know what I mean.

Bianca Paliaga   19:50
Yes.

Dan Kerr   19:50
You don't have to wait and do it every week.
Just do a whole lot of excuses all at once and then I'll start putting them at the top.

Bianca Paliaga   19:53
Yeah.
Voice memo.

Dan Kerr   19:57
I think.
I just think it was hilarious.
It was so funny.

Bianca Paliaga   19:58
Oh, that's great.
I'm going to do that.
I'll just send you a few different voice memos and then when you say you're when you're out of them, you can just say Bianca. Just send me through some more.

Dan Kerr   20:04
It's right.

Bianca Paliaga   20:05
Yeah. All right.
I think that's a great idea.
And then you could be like interviewing someone to say I will just wait another couple of minutes for Bianca and.

Dan Kerr   20:17
I love it. I love it.

Bianca Paliaga   20:18
Is really good so.
Yeah. So that's me.
Now we can move on to talk about what's been up besides that.

Dan Kerr   20:26
Well, people are gonna be like how?
How can you just get on with it now?
This is just what, what what.

Bianca Paliaga   20:31
Do you think they need a moment or can you please just put some? What do you call it when you're processing music on please?

Dan Kerr   20:37
Processing, processing, music.
Hang on, give me a second.
Go. That should sort everything out for them.
No problems at all.

Bianca Paliaga   20:44
Excellent. Thank you.

Dan Kerr   20:46
OK so.

Bianca Paliaga   20:49
Can still message me or e-mail, they can still message me.

Dan Kerr   20:49
Done the intro.

Bianca Paliaga   20:51
If they yeah, I will answer.

Dan Kerr   20:52
Course you. I'm assuming you're staying on the on the older Facebook.

Bianca Paliaga   20:59
Of course.

Dan Kerr   21:02
Intro has been done.
Let me just read the notes being devastates the the party pippers and the listeners. That's done.

Bianca Paliaga   21:08
3 bhk apart.

Dan Kerr   21:10
Tick. So what's up? What's up?
This is this is this is good stuff.
This is good stuff.
This was our 50th episode winner.

Bianca Paliaga   21:18
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   21:21
Who? I've called him something different. In the past. I think I called him this first name.
Same before, but his surname is now different.
Our 50th episode winner was Ganji. Full shelves.
And we had.
We had our own sort of autisticy moments where we couldn't find the mugs that we had and then when we were doing a clean up down here, Jen had put them in a cupboard somewhere. So finally.

Bianca Paliaga   21:39
Yes, yes.

Dan Kerr   21:48
We had a mug to send to gamji full shelves, which I did.
I will.

Bianca Paliaga   21:54
8.

Dan Kerr   21:54
I will.
I will mention that the the.
The cost of the actual sending the packages.
Was likely to be a lot more than the mug itself, but the.

Bianca Paliaga   22:07
No, 'cause he they're overseas.
Are they or?

Dan Kerr   22:09
Exactly.

Bianca Paliaga   22:12
Yes.

Dan Kerr   22:12
But it's a special mug.
There's not many people in the world who have it, so it is actually very valuable.

Bianca Paliaga   22:15
Yes, very special.
Well, it's a one like this is the only one that we've given to any of the party papers.

Dan Kerr   22:22
Exactly. Yep. We had a few back and forth on video and so forth. I got to see him opening the box as well.

Bianca Paliaga   22:30
How? Why didn't I get a seam open it?

Dan Kerr   22:32
I have to.
I'll send it to you if it's fantastic.

Bianca Paliaga   22:34
Can you not put it on oh 'cause?
He probably doesn't want his face on the page.

Dan Kerr   22:37
No, no, that's right.
No, we won't do that.

Bianca Paliaga   22:39
Yeah, OK. Alright.

Dan Kerr   22:40
But the he the kids were there.
His wife was.
There was all just, you know, it was fantastic and yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   22:43
Wow, that's funny.
Right.

Dan Kerr   22:48
So that was that was very exciting and I'll have to do more of those I guess.

Bianca Paliaga   22:51
Yes.

Dan Kerr   22:54
Just send me the details.

Bianca Paliaga   22:55
Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Dan Kerr   22:57
Oh, the bloody there was at shirt.
Where's the T-shirt I mentioned?
At shirt somewhere.
There was on website.

Bianca Paliaga   23:04
Old geeks outfit website.

Dan Kerr   23:06
Yeah. Is that?
Have I got anything here somewhere? I can't see it.

Bianca Paliaga   23:08
Yeah, it's.

Dan Kerr   23:08
Oh yeah, it's next.
It's the next slide.
Oh my God. Oh my God.

Bianca Paliaga   23:11
Line ********.

Dan Kerr   23:14
I don't know how I'm gonna do this geeks outfit website.

Bianca Paliaga   23:17
Are you emotional? You're emotional.

Dan Kerr   23:21
Geeks outfit websites.
Yeah, it's pretty Philly, well known one they had at shirt on there.
That said, sorry I'm late.
I didn't want to come and, oh, that was so perfect for us. And I posted and everyone was like, yeah, I want one.
I want one then I thought, Oh my God, I'm going to.

Bianca Paliaga   23:36
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   23:36
We have to like merchandise, need to do merchandise.

Bianca Paliaga   23:40
Merch. Well you, well, you could have at shirt for the the big thing that's coming out that we're not talking about yet.

Dan Kerr   23:45
I know or hat or something. I'm gonna have to start doing videos and all this sort of stuff too.
I don't know about this thing.

Bianca Paliaga   23:51
You don't sell any of them. Just give them away to people for birthday presents every year.

Dan Kerr   23:55
The hobos will be wearing them like the like. Seinfeld's the the the puppy party.

Bianca Paliaga   23:57
Yes.
Not sure what you mean, but that's OK.

Dan Kerr   24:03
You were talking about. Fine. Fine.

Bianca Paliaga   24:04
So did you post on our private page?

Dan Kerr   24:07
Thank you for helping.

Bianca Paliaga   24:08
It's on the next line, Dan.

Dan Kerr   24:11
It will go up and down. I'd go down. I'd go down.
OK.

Bianca Paliaga   24:13
Out down the page. Yeah, yeah.

Dan Kerr   24:14
That's. That makes sense. OK.
So yes, the I thought this was funny because every time I've been going into the office, the same thing's been happening and I've started to notice that the machines in there were all making the same sort of sound.
So at one point I tried them all at once and was marvelling at that fact.

Bianca Paliaga   24:31
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   24:36
I keep going in there and just.
Was starting to harmonise with the machines.
One's a the coffee machine. One's a microwave, and one's like, you know, those ones.
That you get where you push one for the boiling water on the tap. The left is for cold, but double is soda water.

Bianca Paliaga   24:51
Oh yes.
No, wait, does it say that or is that a secret that people know?

Dan Kerr   24:55
Yes, it's amazing.
It's it's a secret, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   24:58
No one knows about. Is that a hack?

Dan Kerr   25:01
Well, it must be.
Yeah, people didn't know how to get it.
They didn't realize it was there.

Bianca Paliaga   25:05
But I'm going to check every single one I go to with one of those.

Dan Kerr   25:08
Oh my God, so good.
But they all, yeah, they're all making sounds.

Bianca Paliaga   25:10
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   25:11
So I was doing harmonies over the top of them and kept telling everyone in the office how amazing that was and making comments, but no one seemed to care. No.

Bianca Paliaga   25:18
Were they really amazed?
No, they didn't care.

Dan Kerr   25:20
No one cared.
No one cared, but I just said I'm marvelling at the synchronicity of the microwave coffee machine and soda machine.

Bianca Paliaga   25:22
Yep.

Dan Kerr   25:26
They were producing the same note and so someone said you should ask. AI would ask, you know, whatever the Google.

Bianca Paliaga   25:29
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   25:35
But I asked AI and AI said that's an interesting observation.
The reason?
Your microwave and coffee machine produced the same note when running is likely due to similar frequencies of the electrical components inside them.
Both appliances use motors and fans that operate at specific speeds, which can create a consistent hum or buzz, which it does.
If you're curious about the exact frequencies, you could use a sound frequency analyzer app to measure the notes produced by each appliance appliance.
This could give you a more precise understanding and why they sound similar.
So what did I do?
I downloaded 2 apps. I downloaded the tuner app.
Which tells you the note and a sound meter wrap, which gives you the decibels.
So I was very, very excited to find out that every single machine was 70 decibels and the note was G.
You believe that G?

Bianca Paliaga   26:28
It is amazing.
The note was G.

Dan Kerr   26:30
The note was G.

Bianca Paliaga   26:31
So you couldn't tell that it was G.

Dan Kerr   26:34
Oh, I used to be able to.
I used to be able to find the right notes, but I can't do that anymore.
Let's see if I can do it.
O it was way off. That's G.

Bianca Paliaga   26:57
Right.

Dan Kerr   26:58
I in englishures off.

Bianca Paliaga   27:02
Why are you OK?

Dan Kerr   27:03
Why? Why is some hunk walking down the beach more exciting than me singing the note G?

Bianca Paliaga   27:06
I'm just too well 'cause. I've already read this story, so I'm just looking at the hunk walking down the beach. No, anyway.
No, that's that's really interesting and it's definitely an autistic thing to do, right.

Dan Kerr   27:20
Try it, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   27:21
No, I would not do the same, but someone who's into music, absolutely.

Dan Kerr   27:24
Sound or anything, it's just fascinating.

Bianca Paliaga   27:26
It makes sense that they well, you know, they're all going to be made from similar.

Dan Kerr   27:32
Components and yeah, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   27:32
Machine.
Whatever they're called, yeah.
Well, I had an experience like this yesterday, right?

Dan Kerr   27:38
No.

Bianca Paliaga   27:39
OK.
Was trying remember what it was about, but what it was is that I was at a a carrot cuppa. So with lots of carrots and things. But it was before they all people who came and they were doing something with. It's like some coffee roaster or whatever it.
Was and it was making as noise like.
Boop boop boop.
And it did it probably. I was going for about 5 minutes, but I found the noise.
It was actually quite soothing and relaxing.

Dan Kerr   28:06
Oh.

Bianca Paliaga   28:06
It was like not a annoying noise, but I didn't find it annoying.
But then someone else did find annoying, but I felt unless it was just because I was in a positive, happy mood that I found that noise.
Stabilising, I don't know. But it was like, oh, that's not a bad noise to be listening to. And they're like, yes, it is.

Dan Kerr   28:22
Sounds like a warning though.
That's what I'd be just sitting there thinking, what is it warning us about?

Bianca Paliaga   28:26
Oh yeah, it was probably a warning. If it's high pitched, right morning. OK.

Dan Kerr   28:29
Yeah, well, something's wrong.
Something's wrong. Something's wrong.

Bianca Paliaga   28:31
That's probably not that that interesting.
What I'm talking about, I guess.
So.

Dan Kerr   28:37
Sounds annoy people like it is.
It's kind of like a shared thing, but I reckon this is an exciting thing for people who go to an office to see if they can start pressing, trying out all the different machines and seeing what sound it makes.
And the apps are free.
You can just get an E app that just tells you what the disables and what the notes are.
I think it's a really nice homework for everyone to do.
Very exciting autistic homework.

Bianca Paliaga   28:59
Good idea, and even just going to a.
Yeah, because sometimes I go to things and I think that's not loud enough.
I could just pull whip out that app and.

Dan Kerr   29:07
Good old cafe.

Bianca Paliaga   29:07
Say this is an app.

Dan Kerr   29:08
Excuse me.
You don't mind?

Bianca Paliaga   29:10
Yes.
Exactly this so.

Dan Kerr   29:14
Oh.

Bianca Paliaga   29:15
We're kind of like talking about whether we would have a main topic and I I really feel that I am the main topic.

Dan Kerr   29:19
Yes. Well that's that's right.
So you can talk about anything you particularly wish. I've put notes in just in case, but.

Bianca Paliaga   29:25
Which is me.
Oh, no, no.
I'm happy to talk about what, but like there's no like, you know, the main topic is me, right?
Like so when when you write the episode title, it's going to be something about me.

Dan Kerr   29:36
Well, let's see. It's empty.
Have you noticed that?
See, there's nothing in there.
It's just, it's just emptiness.

Bianca Paliaga   29:41
Episode yeah, but currently.
But when you actually upload it, it needs to be something about me.

Dan Kerr   29:42
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   29:45
But it's going to make people be like, oh, oh, you could be, like, Bianca's big news.

Dan Kerr   29:51
Oh, right. You want me to write a theme song of it?

Bianca Paliaga   29:56
No, I didn't say that.
But you can if you want.

Dan Kerr   29:59
I've written, I've got some music for it.
I've told you. Yes, I've got that.

Bianca Paliaga   30:02
Ah, now you found something.
On the Braha going on, the Spectrumy on Facebook.
What does that mean?
There was a braha going on a spectrum E.

Dan Kerr   30:09
It's it's no, it's well.
Hang on, let me just change the spelling.
A brouhaha? Haven't you ever heard of a bruhaha?

Bianca Paliaga   30:16
Brouhaha. Never.

Dan Kerr   30:18
A bit of.
A sort of like online fisticuffs? Sort of.

Bianca Paliaga   30:24
Like that.

Dan Kerr   30:24
No, it's more like a bit of a fight, a bit of a tension and that sort of stuff.

Bianca Paliaga   30:30
OK. On on the Facebook page Spectrum E.

Dan Kerr   30:32
I think that's what it is, but that's what I'm calling it anyway.
And yes, spectrum is one of the one of the.
Facebook pages that a lot of autistic people join, and they they share a lot on there. And there was a there was a meme on there which I just thought was interesting.

Bianca Paliaga   30:41
Yeah.
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   30:50
It says the best minds in mental health aren't the professionals. They're the trauma survivors who have had to figure out how to stay alive for years with virtually no help and us.

Bianca Paliaga   31:02
Yeah, like I would say and that's what I mean. I work at different journeys, right.
And everyone? Well, pretty much everyone who works there has lived experience with autism, whether it's they have children or they are themselves.

Dan Kerr   31:05
Yeah.
Yes.

Bianca Paliaga   31:13
Whatever it is, it's so important.

Dan Kerr   31:13
Yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   31:16
Of course, you've still got your professionals right, but it's so important to have people that other people can relate to and connect with.

Dan Kerr   31:18
0.
Well, absolutely. It was just.
It was fascinating.
I think my and I'll put the link into this post as well as I think it's interesting to see the all the different neuro divergent minds and how they read that and what they take from it and how they interpret what is said.
And it's fascinating because it was just some people, like myself, took particular that first sentence.
The best minds in mental health aren't of the professionals. To me, that's nonsense.
Absolute nonsense, but there's all the howevers.
Well, that's that's clearly to me that is clearly an incorrect statement.

Bianca Paliaga   32:02
Right.

Dan Kerr   32:03
It's, you know, you can't say that it's not true.
Wouldn't you agree?

Bianca Paliaga   32:08
I think if they need to work together right like.

Dan Kerr   32:10
Yes, exactly.
That's and that's the point.
That's the point that was made.
It was still, I don't think it was made well, but that was the point that was being made.
But of course most of the seem to be about trying to figure out what was being said and the combinations and the understanding. And I think in the end it was just we just we need to find these sorts of professionals who support us and who are who.
Listen to us and respect that we have a lot.
Experience and understanding and big teeth because he's showing them right now and we just. Yeah, that's the sort of thing that we I've completely lost track now with with.
Look like he's going back to equine therapy, looking horsey. The whole scene when I do the fake smile.

Bianca Paliaga   32:59
Yes, your teeth are quite white.

Dan Kerr   33:03
Yes, they got what they're hiding behind my mustache.

Bianca Paliaga   33:07
Well, yeah, but like OK.
So I've actually got when I read all this I was like, oh, you know what? I used to have a psychologist, and they never used to give much away.
And now they specialize in different area of psychology, and they've got an Instagram page and the stuff that they are revealing on there. I'm just bloody blown away because it's like what you had PTSD, what you have health anxiety and all these things that I have.

Dan Kerr   33:23
Yeah.
Yeah. They don't say it.

Bianca Paliaga   33:35
No, they they didn't say. But now she's saying it.

Dan Kerr   33:40
Just I don't know why they don't do that.
Why don't they do that?

Bianca Paliaga   33:42
I know she is now.
Or because she didn't have all that before. She then went through it all. And now I think she'd be better than ever.

Dan Kerr   33:48
Oh.
Absolutely. That's it.
The understanding of, like the best minds and mental health to me, are professionals who've also been through trauma.

Bianca Paliaga   33:58
Yes, exactly.

Dan Kerr   34:00
Also autistic who are like, you know, my my psychologist does not is non neuro divergent.
I think she's amazing, so it's not. It's not a blanket statement.

Bianca Paliaga   34:05
No, she's not.

Dan Kerr   34:09
It can't be.
That's why the first sentence is silly. But all these factors make.
Come together and there's something that I think a lot of people would just go to see some sort of professional and stop at that person, even though they're not particularly working for you now.
You sort of had.
You've had that, haven't you?
Where you've like this person's.
Not particularly right. And they've said to you sometimes, haven't they?

Bianca Paliaga   34:30
Yes.

Dan Kerr   34:33
Haven't we had people like say, I'm not the best person for you?

Bianca Paliaga   34:36
Yes, I have had that psychologist.

Dan Kerr   34:37
These are the sort of experiences people should be having.
But people should not stick with things that I'd start working for them.
But the problem is of course, how do you find people without waiting two years?

Bianca Paliaga   34:48
Yeah, that's very true.
But anyway, yeah.

Dan Kerr   34:50
It's really difficult.

Bianca Paliaga   34:50
So, oh, look, it's it's fascinating.
So I'm actually now I want to go back to this psychologist and have a couple of sessions with them and just to talk about it all, because I want to talk about, you know, when I was going through this because at the time I'm looking back and they.

Dan Kerr   34:57
Oh.

Bianca Paliaga   35:03
Were like saying I'm feeling really. I'm feeling you bringing up feelings in me that makes me feel uncomfortable or me feeling quite sad about what you're talking about. Because I was really negative and and thinking about death and all that sort of stuff.
And now I go, oh, I was actually kind of triggering you maybe a little bit with that stuff. Triggers probably bad.

Dan Kerr   35:19
Wow.

Bianca Paliaga   35:20
What use? But I was.
Ulling that out of them, but I didn't realise at the time because I was so in into ingrained in what? You know what I was thinking and what I was, how I was feeling, not about them. And she would probably have to work a little bit hard to.
Deflect what I was doing and saying.

Dan Kerr   35:39
Interesting do you think?

Bianca Paliaga   35:40
Doing.

Dan Kerr   35:40
Do you think past a part of their sort of old school way of being trained is to to not show anything of themselves or give you anything of themselves because it's supposed to be about the client?

Bianca Paliaga   35:52
Yeah, that's old school. 10 percent like my one of my kids had one.
It's like it was like that and would not tell. And then all of a sudden she was pregnant and.
We obviously realised that she was pregnant.
We didn't even know she had a partner or not that they have to give you that information, but it was just weird because we all thought that she was not, that we talked about it, but Ava was shocked that she was single.
And so we thought that she was single and never mentioned anything.
Yeah, it's just a bit weird.

Dan Kerr   36:16
Well, that's that's interesting because in my I wouldn't say that my site does any of that, but.

Bianca Paliaga   36:22
But I know your side has cats, I think.

Dan Kerr   36:24
Yeah, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   36:25
She gives a little bit.
She got a few kids.
We probably shouldn't give all the information.

Dan Kerr   36:29
I don't know.
I don't ask any of those questions and and that works for me, right?

Bianca Paliaga   36:31
Oh, you don't know what I do, 'cause I do ask these questions, right?

Dan Kerr   36:33
Because I don't ask, don't ask.

Bianca Paliaga   36:36
Yeah, no, I know a few things about your psych.

Dan Kerr   36:38
Right.

Bianca Paliaga   36:39
Only because I we both had the same psych.

Dan Kerr   36:41
OK.

Bianca Paliaga   36:42
Yeah, just in case people wonder why I know about your psych.

Dan Kerr   36:46
It it works for me.

Bianca Paliaga   36:46
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   36:47
So you don't.
It doesn't.
Again, it's the whole thing is whatever was going to work for you I don't need.
To have conversations about some other one, someone else's trauma. That's fine. I understand. And I and I feel for people when they when they talk about that sort of stuff, but I don't need my expert to be doing that to me.

Bianca Paliaga   37:01
So many people with PTSD, trauma, autistic people with these things that are just, it's very sad.
I'm trying to avoid that for my children.

Dan Kerr   37:14
OK. Do you think it's?
Mental health professionals that should be more of us getting into this field.

Bianca Paliaga   37:24
Yes, but I think there is. I think there is, but the annoying thing is when there is a psychologist, they are autistic and they don't even realize that's annoying.

Dan Kerr   37:24
More neuro divergent?
Yeah. Yep.
Well, that's what I'm saying.

Bianca Paliaga   37:33
I know a couple.

Dan Kerr   37:34
People are people, understand, and they they are open about us and you know, I think that's it would be great. But what what would that mean for people who who visit them?

Bianca Paliaga   37:34
I know a couple of those.
Yes.

Dan Kerr   37:47
Would they find that? I reckon they'd lose business?

Bianca Paliaga   37:48
I had this. I went.
No. Well, I went to a psychologist for my daughter.
We sat down.

Dan Kerr   37:54
You.

Bianca Paliaga   37:54
She explained that she was autistic and ADHD and then talk. We talked about 5 minutes I left.
This is actually Lynette, who we have actually interviewed the psychologist.
I went out and I actually thought to myself.
Oh, she's autistic and ADHD.
How's that gonna go?

Dan Kerr   38:13
Hmm.

Bianca Paliaga   38:13
And then when Eva came out, I said, how was that?
And she said it was amazing.
And I went right.

Dan Kerr   38:18
M.
So interesting.

Bianca Paliaga   38:21
But that was my first experience of a a professional who was autistic and ADHD.
So it was really positive.
And then I was 100% for it.

Dan Kerr   38:31
OK, well.

Bianca Paliaga   38:32
Then she prob specialises in autistic and ADHD sort of people.
She probably isn't the best for other people.

Dan Kerr   38:39
Other people, but then there's no reason why it wouldn't be as well like.

Bianca Paliaga   38:44
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
There's no reason why they wouldn't be.

Dan Kerr   38:47
Well, the guy who did this was Doctor Glen.
I put the his Instagram.
Actually, I'll put it on the notes because he's got a lot of those sort of memes.
He's he is actually a trauma survivor.
So that's why I thought it was an interesting. Oh, I should.

Bianca Paliaga   38:59
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   39:01
I should message him and saying that sentence was wrong.

Bianca Paliaga   39:06
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   39:06
I think you're what you're trying to say is spot on how you said it was factually incorrect.

Bianca Paliaga   39:12
Think before you say that may be going to like ChatGPT and say how do I say this in a nice way with that being too blunt?

Dan Kerr   39:19
No, I've got. I've already written a song for the best. One of the best tools that I've found. What I'll be talking about goblin tools next next time, and I've done a little song. 'cause. I love this thing so much. I've been using it at work all the.

Bianca Paliaga   39:23
AME.
Oh.
OK.

Dan Kerr   39:33
Time, so next episode I'll talk about it.
The wonders of of goblin tools.

Bianca Paliaga   39:39
No idea what you talking about, but that sounds good.

Dan Kerr   39:40
I'll have to send it to you.

Bianca Paliaga   39:41
That will definitely make me listen for next time to know what a goblin tool is.

Dan Kerr   39:43
Oh my God.
Yeah, it's exactly what you're saying. It's incredible.

Bianca Paliaga   39:47
Excellent. All right.

Dan Kerr   39:49
Oh, now I had some other cool news.

Bianca Paliaga   39:53
Oh.

Dan Kerr   39:54
Which is that I for my company are, you know, on the diversity and Inclusion Ambassador.

Bianca Paliaga   40:00
Rework yes.

Dan Kerr   40:03
We are sort of in the companies in the set of flux.
We're moving into other sorts of or furthering what we do, and I think it's been a bit busy for, for everyone. So I'd put in a request to be.

Bianca Paliaga   40:14
Mm hmm.

Dan Kerr   40:17
Part of what's called the Diversity Council of Australia to be to be become a member of it, which also allows everyone the company to become a member as well.
I'll talk to this person in another episode, but yeah, finally, finally it's happened.
And I think I'm going to learn a lot because they've got a lot of info, a lot of training, all kinds of things. But it's it's anyone in Australia I would.
Recommend checking out Diversity Council Australia, but it is sort of a.
Companies.

Bianca Paliaga   40:49
Yeah. Wonderful.

Dan Kerr   40:49
Specifically, yeah.

Bianca Paliaga   40:49
That's great.

Dan Kerr   40:51
So that was pretty cool and I can't wait to get my teeth into that.

Bianca Paliaga   40:52
That is cool.
Yeah, great.

Dan Kerr   40:58
We got things here.

Bianca Paliaga   40:59
We've listened to feedback.

Dan Kerr   40:59
Oh, we got. Listen to Fay back. I forgot about that.

Bianca Paliaga   41:02
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   41:04
And I love the name I came up with. Two they thought it was. They said they it took them a while, but they finally figured out how I how I got.

Bianca Paliaga   41:10
It's hard for me because I don't know what the person's real name is.

Dan Kerr   41:12
Oh no, I don't either.

Bianca Paliaga   41:14
Oh, OK.
Oh.

Dan Kerr   41:17
I don't either, but I'll. I'll. I'll start explaining. And so this is yeah, it was done as an anonymous member, but given the information I came up with, the name kooky Prism.

Bianca Paliaga   41:22
OK.
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   41:32
For short KP because I don't want to call someone kooky all the way all the time.
And it was really interesting.
So they said, if you have imposter syndrome, you know what? You know what imposter syndrome is. Yep.

Bianca Paliaga   41:43
Yes, of course I have it.

Dan Kerr   41:46
Oh, of course.

Bianca Paliaga   41:46
But most people have it.

Dan Kerr   41:47
I think I think so, yes, but.

Bianca Paliaga   41:49
Certain situations, I think most people have experienced it.

Dan Kerr   41:53
This is one of the best and most interesting explanations I've had or read about about this and sort of analogies.
If you have imposter syndrome about your autism spectrum diagnosis, the cure that I have just discovered for myself might be helpful.

Bianca Paliaga   42:06
Hmm.

Dan Kerr   42:10
I was told at a very young age that I am apparently colour blind.
Do you have any of that?
Have you done any of that stuff?

Bianca Paliaga   42:18
I'm not colorblind, though. No, are you.

Dan Kerr   42:19
Not well. I'll get to that.
I've never understood this or thought about it, but show me any colour. As far as I'm concerned I have no trouble at all telling you what it is, but then people are telling me things like that's not blue, it's ultramarine.
So KP went to get tested for you know, the for colour blindness and it's that one with the colour dots with the numbers inside.

Bianca Paliaga   42:44
Oh yeah. Yeah, I have. Yep.

Dan Kerr   42:44
Have you done one of those tests before?
I I went to one that was just in chroma.com and.
When I did the test, I saw all the numbers, every single one of them.

Bianca Paliaga   42:54
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   42:54
So there you go.
I don't have any colour blindness.
That's it's one tick. It's good.

Bianca Paliaga   42:59
It's very rare in women.
It's mostly males.

Dan Kerr   43:02
Wow. But the KP, this is the thing.
I don't know if KP is, we don't know as they saw no numbers at all at all.
So, KP concluded.
Well, the test has to be nonsense, doesn't it?
I can tell you what color anything is in real life.
So whoever devised this test was an idiot.
So that was the first sort of reaction to that, like. Well, this is ridiculous this nonsense.
I can see all the colours. I know what they are, this you know.
So then they had a bit of a think and recalled the classic tale Emperor's new clothes and I'm assuming most people would know that one.

Bianca Paliaga   43:37
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   43:39
But if they don't stop it and go and have a listen because it's, it's an awesome story and realise that unless there is a vast conspiracy going on, there must be something more to it.

Bianca Paliaga   43:43
Mm hmm.

Dan Kerr   43:48
So KP has accepted that their perception of color is different to most and they wish they could see how others see.
So I would just tell KP that there are glasses and if anyone's seen videos online for this sort of stuff where people with color blindness are given these glasses and they put them on, look around and burst into tears all the time.

Bianca Paliaga   44:09
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   44:09
And everyone put their soft, tender, sad music.
But my take is that when they when something like that happens, or when someone hears for the first time, it's not, they're not. They're not crying for some sort of.
Emotional thing.
It's more the shock, you know, the brain doesn't know what to do and it's and so they just cry and it's not something that they thought about anyway.
KP.
He's the he's the, he's their bit. So there's the bit about the colour blindness.

Bianca Paliaga   44:39
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   44:40
And now KP got their autism diagnosis and their imposter syndrome wanted to again reject the testers, unreliable, which a lot of us have had to go through.

Bianca Paliaga   44:49
Ah.

Dan Kerr   44:50
We go through this.

Bianca Paliaga   44:51
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   44:53
They said they have.
What seems to be a quite normal life.
And then the next bit in brackets had me reading from year to year.

Bianca Paliaga   45:04
Mm hmm.

Dan Kerr   45:04
With it's a. So they said I seem to have quite a normal life brackets except for the crippling anxiety, horror of eye contact, frequent feelings of, unable to being unable to cope, being shocked by a sudden change in what I was expecting to happen.
Having no real sense of solid identity.

Bianca Paliaga   45:20
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   45:21
Thought, Oh my God. And this is me. I say to myself.

Bianca Paliaga   45:23
That's just me.

Dan Kerr   45:25
And there's only me to blame for all that, because I've never learned to be confident and assertive.
Oh God. So like many of us, KP thought that the if they were not a not openly steaming.
Like with the sort of the big moments rolling backwards and forwards, that sort of stuff.

Bianca Paliaga   45:38
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   45:39
That's what autistic people are.
You know they can't be autistic.
So now would you?
Why don't you read that last bit?
That kpc 'cause. I just left it as it was 'cause. I thought it was awesome.

Bianca Paliaga   45:51
He said.
But what if there really is a more relaxed, easygoing normal out there that others take for granted?
We're being calm is a kind of blue that's so much brighter that it deserves to be called ultramarine.
And there is a real measurable difference between them. If I can accept that I have a colour deficiency now, than I can accept that I'm not seeing the world through neurotypical eyes.
And accept that I can see and feel differently to what is considered normal, and this is not my fault anymore than my fault.
See those numbers in those plates?
That is really profound.
I feel like this is amazing.

Dan Kerr   46:31
No, I was just like, well, hang on a second.
I've just pulled my.
Hang on, I'm just gonna plug back in again.

Bianca Paliaga   46:40
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   46:41
I was just, yeah, I was gobsmacked. Although there was just so beautifully explained.

Bianca Paliaga   46:43
That a private message or was that on the Facebook page?

Dan Kerr   46:45
No, it's on the Facebook page on the private page.
Yeah, absolutely wonderful.
Was so cool.
Just like, oh, my God, what a great way of thinking about it.

Bianca Paliaga   46:55
Yes.
Yes. Wow. That's amazing.
So OK, I like that.
Now I'm just moving on to the autistic moment from posh pink.

Dan Kerr   47:06
No, it's another person.

Bianca Paliaga   47:07
Is that a person?
Is that one of our people?
Oh, OK. Excellent, excellent.

Dan Kerr   47:10
Yeah, it's one of our party poopers.
Posh. Posh pink. You have chatted to poshmark before on messengers.

Bianca Paliaga   47:19
OK.

Dan Kerr   47:19
As well.
And so yes, they've had an autistic moment.
And where are we OK.
So Posh says I did have an autistic moment today.

Bianca Paliaga   47:32
Mm hmm.

Dan Kerr   47:35
Though my letter for dermatology said I needed to bring my oils, ointment, etcetera to the appointment.
So they're going to the dermatologist.
Yeah. So posh rocked up with a bag of everything, including the hand washes.
Fabric softeners everything.
Turns out they just wanted a list of the things they thought I might be reacting to. Having reread the letter, I get it now and then.
Then I think it was the next day that we got another message saying my husband said I missed the most autistic bit of the story.
So when I say I took all my stuff.
I took my shampoo conditioner shower gels.
In 51 containers.

Bianca Paliaga   48:20
No, you dag 5 litre containers.
Containers.

Dan Kerr   48:28
My God, how much stuff and what are you doing?
Are you taking I?
I thought she's got little containers and push the shampoos and conditions.

Bianca Paliaga   48:37
I've laidocked.

Dan Kerr   48:38
Oh my God. Everything that was like in the cupboard that so much makes so much more sense.

Bianca Paliaga   48:41
Yeah.

Dan Kerr   48:44
Five liter containers.
Oh God, brackets. I don't change them and don't want to think about them really.
Oh my God.
I wasn't going to take them, so I can't.
Here we can see.
So I decanted something into little bags.
Labeled them complained about not having a label maker and took photographs of the bottles.

Bianca Paliaga   49:06
Wow.

Dan Kerr   49:07
PS They were not in the slightest bit interested in seeing any of my stash at all.

Bianca Paliaga   49:15
That's so good.

Dan Kerr   49:18
I love it. I love it.
It's a sort of stuff that so many of us would do, like if they're not clear about what they what, you know, if they say can you bring anything? Basically think there might be causing this issue.
Bring it, you know.

Bianca Paliaga   49:32
Yes, yes, exactly.
That's really good and I really love that you how you thought it was 51 containers and not 5 litre because it says 5L for the people in the in America like 5 litres.

Dan Kerr   49:38
Hmm.
51 containers.
05 L No, I didn't.
Well the the.

Bianca Paliaga   49:47
So we just write 5 and an L.

Dan Kerr   49:48
Litres.

Bianca Paliaga   49:48
But it's a small L which makes it look like 51.

Dan Kerr   49:53
So it wasn't courts.
What do they have in America?

Bianca Paliaga   49:55
Not quartz or pints. Pints. Yeah.

Dan Kerr   49:56
Courts, courts, Pines, courts.
Oh my God, that was so funny.
I just.
I would love to have seen the dermatologist face and posh's face and also the husband's face in these situations.

Bianca Paliaga   50:10
It wouldn't make up to me, but I would feel like that would just mean whatever the issue is. This poor person really feels it really hard, and that's why they've brought everything they have to get tested.

Dan Kerr   50:18
No, I did ask for a photo.

Bianca Paliaga   50:23
I don't know.

Dan Kerr   50:23
So far, posh hasn't had to provide it.

Bianca Paliaga   50:26
That was quite smart, because instead of bringing every single thing, they put, some in little bags and label them so they didn't have to bring like 5 bags.

Dan Kerr   50:31
Oh God.
Jim would've done that.
She's got a label maker.

Bianca Paliaga   50:37
Yeah, I've label make too.
Right. Yeah. Jen would have done that, yeah.

Dan Kerr   50:43
Oh God, we are 53 minutes on.

Bianca Paliaga   50:47
Well, we've just we've got along.
This has been.
We've got along really well, but I we don't.
We're not going out of this annoyed or angry at each other like we usually do.

Dan Kerr   50:57
What happens when we did when?
The when the button the record button goes off.

Bianca Paliaga   51:01
Yeah, we go **** ***.

Dan Kerr   51:02
It's on from 1:00 and all.

Bianca Paliaga   51:02
But I would might I need a compliment for the end? But I do need is you to say the **** word.

Dan Kerr   51:09
No, it's not going to happen.

Bianca Paliaga   51:10
My last episode, not the **** word.

Dan Kerr   51:12
Oh.
No, it's not. It's not gonna happen.

Bianca Paliaga   51:17
OK.
That's all I wanted.
That was my last wish, but.
See, I just thought ahead.
Then I was like, what if I die in a car accident after this? And then your next episode you'll be telling everyone that Bianca died and then you will say **** has I died?

Dan Kerr   51:32
As as a tribute.

Bianca Paliaga   51:34
Yeah, this is how my brain works, right?
This is why I need a break from everything.

Dan Kerr   51:38
No, I'd be raising a whiskey glass. It wouldn't be happening.

Bianca Paliaga   51:41
He wouldn't say **** **** Bianca, OK?

Dan Kerr   51:42
No.

Bianca Paliaga   51:45
So, but I feel like the instead of a compliment, though, you could probably just, yeah, if every episode.
You are somehow, yeah, choosing me.
What do you call like, you know, making reference to me?
I think it'd be great.

Dan Kerr   51:59
Making reference.

Bianca Paliaga   51:59
Yeah, that I'm running late each time.
I think that's a really great idea.

Dan Kerr   52:01
I think that's very good.

Bianca Paliaga   52:04
It'll have to continue.
All right.
Well, it's been lovely.
Doing this podcast with you, Dan.

Dan Kerr   52:10
Overall, and this podcast wouldn't have started if you hadn't been the person to get this moving.

Bianca Paliaga   52:16
That's so true.

Dan Kerr   52:16
It wouldn't have happened.

Bianca Paliaga   52:17
That's true, true. And I should get royalties from all of the money that you make when you become celebrity.

Dan Kerr   52:21
No worries, I think $0.36.
I think we gotta just checks before, so we've made $0.36 so far.

Bianca Paliaga   52:27
Yep, from advertising.

Dan Kerr   52:29
Something I am doing now. Every episode is saying that we do have.
Our own what's it called? Patreon page.

Bianca Paliaga   52:38
Patreon. Oh, we do have a Patreon.
Oh well, you do, I guess.

Dan Kerr   52:39
So I'm gonna put the link in the notes the Patreon page.
Now the Patreon page is just for people who feel like they want to buy the podcast a cup of coffee.
The the cost of of the monthly costs of running this stuff is obviously, you know, there's there's a bit involved with that because of the this format. If we were going online and also just paying for the what do they call it hosting?

Bianca Paliaga   52:54
A bit.
And so somebody gave you $0.37.

Dan Kerr   53:04
No, this is over the one sense that we get. Sometimes we'll be there to put a little ad in there and overall we've made something like $0.30.
So the Patreon is just.
I've looked.
I think I've literally just put it down like it's $5.00 a month. So it's one coffee.
So it's for people who feel like they the, you know, they feel compelled to want to help, but.

Bianca Paliaga   53:25
I feel like you're being a sellout.
I don't think you should be saying no, no by saying it's just one coffee 'cause you know what? How many times have we heard that you need to be using other more creative language rather than it's only a coffee? OK, so every episode you also need to say.

Dan Kerr   53:27
Not.
Oh, it's $5. Come on.
It's 3 bananas. It's just three bananas.

Bianca Paliaga   53:39
A different thing that it's.
Yeah, just say it's only three bananas. Yep.

Dan Kerr   53:44
That's all it is, and I'll be very it would be very appealing if people were to to provide me that $5.
You didn't hear the joke, and if you can't do it, that's fine as well because we'll have people who will be able to do it and they'll be helping support us and you'll get a free podcast.
So it's good.

Bianca Paliaga   54:01
You support me like you, not us. You now as you.

Dan Kerr   54:05
Well, I'm calling it the podcast.
The podcast.

Bianca Paliaga   54:08
Yes, it's on your, it's on all on your shoulders.
Now it's just like what it's like 3 tins of cat food, that's all.

Dan Kerr   54:11
Yes.
Just three tins of cheap cat food.

Bianca Paliaga   54:18
Yeah

Dan Kerr   54:18
It's it's one small hot chicken.

Bianca Paliaga   54:22
Yeah. Oh, no.

Dan Kerr   54:23
Yeah, no, it'd be more than.

Bianca Paliaga   54:23
I think they're more than that, although like on a Sunday night discount. Yeah, maybe.

Dan Kerr   54:27
God, you gonna make me look on bloody Woolworths or something to find everything that's $5.

Bianca Paliaga   54:31
Supermarket. Yeah, I know.
What else is $5?

Dan Kerr   54:33
Oh dear.

Bianca Paliaga   54:36
A cough.
Oh, I know.
It's a coffee.
Just. I just, yeah, don't worry about that.

Dan Kerr   54:41
Cough drops.

Bianca Paliaga   54:43
Cough drops.

Dan Kerr   54:44
Thank you for being a big part of all this and getting it all started and everyone's going to be very sad that you have.
You're moving on, but you will be popping in. That's right.

Bianca Paliaga   54:52
Moving on, but yet not away.

Dan Kerr   54:55
Gone but not forgotten.

Bianca Paliaga   54:56
Yes, I'll still come back for a special guest star definitely.

Dan Kerr   55:00
Maybe just seeing, especially for you again.

Bianca Paliaga   55:04
Yes. And I think yes, I I may have to get that deleted that that episode.
Yeah. Sorry, but thank you very much everyone every much.
Thank you everyone for your oh, I think support and support a lot of joy, happiness, all those things. And also to you Daniel.
Oh, look, it's brought us closer together, definitely.

Dan Kerr   55:24
For sure.

Bianca Paliaga   55:25
We didn't know each other very well before.

Dan Kerr   55:27
No, absolutely not.
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's incredible, isn't it?
So it's been.
It's been all round a wonderful experience.

Bianca Paliaga   55:34
It has.
Thank you.
All right, it's time for my last over and out.

Dan Kerr   55:38
OK.

Bianca Paliaga   55:39
Goodbye.

Dan Kerr   55:39
Bye.

Bianca Paliaga   55:43
Then cue the music.