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CN: discussion of substance use, alcohol dependency, and recovery; experiences with homophobia.

Elle’s long-time friend Karl Dulitz joins the ‘cast this episode to dig into some tender topics. In between the musings about getting old, Karl offers a candid account of his journey through alcohol dependency and the frustrations of accessing treatment, leaning into creative practices for mental and emotional health, and using his voice to uplift others.

This episode discusses some challenging material and may be triggering for some listeners. Please exercise care when listening to this episode, and access the shownotes for a list of resources.

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