Astrology, Identity, and Embracing Change

How does Pluto's transformative power shape your identity and life path? Join us as we explore this profound question with our special guest, Chi Chi, a transformative coach in love, sex, and relationships. Chi Chi's journey from hosting the "Systriarchy Sessions" podcast to co-authoring "Dare to Express" has sparked an exciting transition towards sensuality, embodiment, and self-expression. Guided by her astrological chart and the camaraderie with our host Laura Lee, Chi Chi shares how these shifts have opened new doors and opportunities in her life and career.

Discover the intense influence of Pluto, particularly its conjunction with the sun in the eighth house, and how it can lead to profound personal changes, akin to a butterfly's metamorphosis. We discuss Chi Chi's own experiences with challenging times and identity crises, revealing how understanding astrological transits can help navigate these turbulent periods. This episode delves into embracing non-traditional identities, such as witchiness and queerness, and the significant role April's astrological movements play in this transformative journey.

We also tackle the complexities of identity and tradition, examining societal expectations and familial dynamics influenced by Pluto's position in the eighth house. Uranus and Mars transiting through the 12th house disrupt generational patterns, pushing us to embrace change despite resistance. Through Chi Chi's insights and astrological guidance, we highlight the importance of integrating one's true self into both personal and professional realms. Learn how to leverage your unique qualities and experiences in contributing to society meaningfully, and navigate the upheaval caused by major transits with confidence and authenticity.

Chapters

• 0:00 Astrology for Personal Growth
• 10:31 Embracing Transformation Through Pluto
• 16:00 Navigating Identity and Tradition With Pluto
• 26:29 Discovering Purpose Through Astrology
• 31:50 Nurturing Authenticity During Major Transits
• 45:58 Navigating Saturn, Mars, and Pluto Transits

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

How's the volume with the microphone? Really good, okay, cool.

Speaker 2: 0:05

Yeah, I think it sounds great.

Speaker 3: 0:06

Yeah, fantastic, all right, well, welcome to Ram and Goat Astrology. I'm Laura Lee and we have a guest with us today, as well as Helena. Hi, helena, I'm Laura Lee and we have a guest with us today as well as Helena. Hi Helena, I'm here and Chi Chi is our guest today. Welcome, chi Chi.

Speaker 1: 0:32

Yay, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 3: 0:35

Yes, we've been talking about doing this for a while now. Chi Chi, you are no stranger to podcasts. Tell us about your podcast that you've hosted, and are you, are you taking a break, or are you active with it right now?

Speaker 1: 0:46

Oh yeah, I've been on a break for a while. Um, my podcast was the Systriarchy Sessions, where we talked about women's empowerment, self-love, personal growth and spiritual growth as well. So, yeah, it's been a minute since I've had to talk about it, so I was like, is that what we do?

Speaker 3: 1:03

Yeah, I loved it it was. It was such a I feel like such a needed conversation space to have some hard conversations, some difficult conversations. So do you plan on picking that back up or altering it, or what's your plans there?

Speaker 1: 1:21

I'm open to the possibility of having a podcast again. It might look a little different, so I'm just open to see whatever comes through. At the moment it's I don't really have the capacity for it, but you know it is. I do love podcasting. It's a great medium for getting your ideas out there.

Speaker 3: 1:40

So it is well and I love your, the way you're like. I'm open to whatever comes through with your Aquarius sun and your Aquarius Mercury and your Mercury in the ninth house and just lots of like. I'm open to the next calling, right? I love that you're already telling us about your birth chart. We haven't even we didn't even dive in yet even dive in yet.

Speaker 2: 2:08

No, and I don't know anything about you, except that you know Laura Lee and you had a podcast. Could you just introduce yourself a little bit more, like who or and also like how did you guys meet? And yeah, tell us Gigi yeah, so well.

Speaker 1: 2:19

I met Laura Lee when we co-wrote a book together called Dare to Express. We did this in 2022, I believe, yeah, so we yeah created a book and we have our. We were in a like a working pod together so we like we're always like chatting and connecting that way, so that's how we know each other.

Speaker 3: 2:41

What you been up to lately. Tell us about yourself and kind of what you do and offer the world.

Speaker 1: 2:47

Yeah, so that's a great question, because that's something that I would love to get a little more insight on in our reading today. I freaking knew it.

Speaker 3: 2:56

I knew it. Like she's going to ask about career stuff, I know it.

Speaker 1: 3:00

Yeah, I'm like so, yeah, so what do I do? So I'm actually in a really interesting transition right now with my coaching business. I was doing body and nutrition empowerment coaching and now I'm shifting more towards love, sex and relationships through Layla Martin, and I'm I'm like really just now, like coming back from this like trip. I was away for a month and now that I'm back, I'm like all right, I'm ready to start like really bringing this work out into the world, and I've I'm still not really sure exactly what it's going to look like, but it's definitely in the realm of like sensuality, embodiment, self-expression, self-love and yeah, yeah, kind of where I am right now.

Speaker 2: 3:47

Amazing and I am intrigued about what was your chapter on, because I know that this book Day to Express it was a bunch of lovely ladies that each had a chapter to talk about something significant in your life that has happened and what was your part about? What was your part about? What was your chapter about?

Speaker 1: 4:06

yeah, my chapter was about the moment in time that really kicked off this like self-love journey, that I've been on this journey to like transformation and really turning my life around. So it's kind of like the rock bottom moment in my life that made me like look at myself and be like, is this how I want to be living my life? And if this event had not happened to me, I would not be where I am today. So, yeah, that's what I write about in my chapter, so check it out yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:37

I will, I will for sure.

Speaker 3: 4:39

so good, yeah, chi Chi and I were. So our book writing program was a six month program and then we got put into it like even a tinier little pod, so we were reading each other's writing all the time and got into some really deep stuff and I love it, because that's exactly where you love to go with your son in the eighth house. Like you're like, yeah, let's dive in to the juicy and all of that. So I'm going to go ahead and pull up your chart here and show Helena and you what we're looking at. So if anybody wants to, you know, listen along.

Speaker 3: 5:14

Chi Chi's got her rising sign at 12 degrees Gemini and then her MC is 23 degrees Aquarius. Now, chi Chi I know you and I have talked this is like almost exactly lined up with mine. So when you put people's rising and MC together, there's just this kind of understanding about each other and like this friendliness that really just kind of immediately you're like, oh, we're friends. Like I don't really know why else all the different planets and everything and where they are, that it like it does matter. But when you're rising sign and everything lines up really, really nicely, there's just this like you see the world in the same way.

Speaker 2: 5:53

you see you have the same sort of tinted color, the glass is on the same shade and with mc you're here to express and share with the world a similar kind of gift. So you're definitely like you would connect over that, yeah.

Speaker 3: 6:10

Yeah, which I I think we felt that right away Just was like oh, I like the way, you think I like the way. Oh, cool, let's be friends, okay, yeah, exactly. Oh, that's so cool, I love that. But you've got your son at two degrees Aquarius and it is in the tail end of the eighth house, so do you know anything about what that means? Chi Chi, does that like compute to you at all, what I just said?

Speaker 1: 6:35

Okay, eighth house in. Like Aquarius, I understand the house stuff. The degree stuff is like kind of new to me.

Speaker 3: 6:41

So yeah, so when we talk about astrology for the degrees, my understanding and helena, correct me if, if you're, if you have a different take on this but the earlier the degree kind of like the newer the energy. It's almost like the younger part of the sign, so the almost like the baby or like with leo I always like to think of that early degree is like the lion cub, versus the later degrees is like the lioness who protects the pride Right? Just kind of a different maturity with the energy. Does that make sense, helena? Is that how you see the degrees.

Speaker 2: 7:17

Yes, definitely yeah, in the beginning of the of the of a sign yeah, it's a newer, more yeah, childlike, it like version of the same energy and at the end, a more mature and like rounded up energy. So you're definitely here to, like you have fresh eyes on this Aquarius energy yeah, it's real close to Capricorn.

Speaker 3: 7:40

So there's kind of just kind of coming out of this traditional, very solid, stable, steadfast foundation and now your sun in Aquarius at two degrees, would be starting to see things a little bit more revolutionary, a little bit more rebellious, a little bit more. Let's leave tradition a little bit behind and move forward with new ideas. So it's just branching into this humanitarian, explorative Aquarian energy and it's eighth house. So the eighth house is really the area of life. If you're looking at a map, the area of life, this is going to show up for you. And eighth house is really about deep transformational experiences with a few close people, right, so, whether it's a bestie or a long-term partner or your parents or whatever, but it's usually a small group of people that you tend to go in deep and transform with and for you, because it's Aquarius, your groups of people probably change. You have this group of people for this kind of transformation and this group of people for when I do this kind of transformation. Does that make sense for you?

Speaker 1: 8:48

Oh yeah, absolutely, that's very much me Okay.

Speaker 2: 8:52

Nice. I just can't help but to stare at that Pluto glyph hanging out right over your sun sign. Have you at all explored Plutouto conjunct your son, the transiting pluto.

Speaker 2: 9:09

Yeah, transiting pluto is literally hanging out on top of your identity and has been for what like eight months now a while back and forth yes, you the first time, because we all know that pluto has left capricorn after spending a long time there and just moved into Aquarius, which is a big thing globally. But for people who have planets around early degrees Aquarius and late degrees Capricorn, it has been a much more transformative time. And you have your sun, which your your core identity, at two degrees, and pluto actually touched here in this spring, in april, and then it started to back up, so it's leaving. So he came there and gave it like a little kind of kiss of like this is the flavor I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you, but more soon pluto's moving back now into capricorn flavor I'm going to give you, but more soon Pluto is moving back now into Capricorn and it's going to come back over your sun in February next year, 2025.

Speaker 2: 10:15

And this actually happens just once in a lifetime. So it's really like wow, it's huge and transformative and like a blessing Not easy blessing, not easy, but it's really an opportunity and we're catching you right in this moment. So I'm just intrigued to like have you started feeling pluto? And maybe I need to tell you what pluto is about, or do you know? Do you know about pluto a little?

Speaker 1: 10:40

but yeah, yeah a little, but I'd love to hear your perspective on Pluto.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Yeah, so pretty much like this there's no words really to describe how intense Pluto is, because Pluto is like the goddess over life and death and rebirth and transformation. So it is all of those really really like the hardest things in life, like birthing something and something dying, and the transformation part is not easy. Like transform we all know change is not easy. We don't like change. We don't like to change. Like it's painful to change. Like when you look at a butterfly coming out of the cocoon it almost looks a little like there's some pain in that and also it's so, so beautiful. Yeah, but it's really dealing with like it's about your sun now. It's not about any other planet in your chart.

Speaker 2: 11:36

It's about your sun, which is like your core. It's really you, really you. So I really see, like whoa, this you are going to like break open so that your wings can evolve and come out and take a new shape and form, but it's not really like happening. But there's a the crack. The crack is there already with pluto having kissed the sun, and I also want to say that it can be very dark, it can be dark times and heavy.

Speaker 3: 12:07

Identity crisis type energy right, like who the hell am I? What am I doing? What's happening? And because it's in the eighth house, it's really transformational right. It's like it's already a transformational experience just to have Pluto in the sun and the sun conjunct, but then to put them in the transformation area of life like you're, you're like, yes, let's do it Like total transformation of who I am and how I identify. So this is a. Have you felt this? Did you feel that, that crack or that kiss in April?

Speaker 1: 12:44

Yes, yes. As you are saying this, I'm just like, oh my God, this makes so much sense.

Speaker 3: 12:52

Yeah, astrology is helpful to know that oh this is the energy. Oh, this is what's coming.

Speaker 2: 12:58

Yeah, but especially with Pluto, I always find I want to tell people because otherwise I've gone through a similar thing and I didn't know about the astrology by then, and if I knew, because I thought I was going crazy, because it can make you feel like that and I didn't know there was a way out, but now, like knowing it's a transit in the sky, it's gonna reshape you but it also and then it's not gonna hang out over your sun forever right.

Speaker 3: 13:23

and then it's going, it keeps going and I had a transformational experience in within my marriage when Pluto went conjunct on my husband's Venus in the eighth house and we our marriage did a Pluto thing. And then we ended up standing there like holding onto each other in the rubble because I did know the astrology, because I did read the astrology, because I did read about it and I did go, oh, this is the shit that's supposed to happen right now. Oh, okay, Like I understood the assignment. I don't think if I, if I didn't understand the assignment, I don't know if we would have stayed together. I don't know if we would have worked it out and gone through it the way we needed to. But I'm so glad I did right. I'm so glad I knew what was happening.

Speaker 3: 14:08

And Pluto is, like Helena said, is no joke. Like you are going to not be identifying whatever that looks like to you because you're Aquarius, so it could literally be anything, but you won't be identifying as the same person. It actually, now that I see this, it doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't continue the podcast the way you were, or, if you did, it would be something totally different, because you need to go through this Pluto transformation before you. Right Like really start up that thing again.

Speaker 3: 14:36

So that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1: 14:38

Yeah, yeah, I definitely feel this a lot in my personal life and in my business life. Personal life I've been going through some well I guess overall I've been becoming more myself, Parts of myself that I knew existed but I never really allowed myself to be. And now I'm starting to fully embrace these parts of myself. I'm embracing my witchiness. I'm straight up like I'm like starting to like fully embrace these parts of myself, Like I'm embracing my witchiness, Like I'm like fully, I'm like straight up, like I'm a witch, like I'm straight up a witch.

Speaker 3: 15:12

Now I'm like cheering over here.

Speaker 1: 15:15

I'm like, yeah, I'm a fucking witch and like also, and like in my personal life, like you know, I've been embracing like my queerness, queerness and my weirdness and this, like other parts of myself that I've like known existed, but I haven't really like allowed myself to explore and like kind of like the kinkier stuff the more like you know all of it non-traditional stuff, that like you know, I've been conditioned to think I need to stick to, but I'm no fuck that like, that's not me.

Speaker 1: 15:43

So I've been in that exploration and a lot like, actually like, since April so it's really funny when you said April. I was like, oh my god, that's when I started all of this.

Speaker 2: 15:54

Yeah, that's funny that's so interesting because Pluto is also like anything that scares us a little. Yep, is Pluto like even things that like like kinky stuff, like things that are like oh I'm not so sure if I can talk about that with people you know, things that you don't really want to show people. That is pluto. Pluto also deals with with sex, because it's transformative. And the eighth house like this is all happening in your eighth house, which your son is always in your eighth house and the eighth house is where pluto is the most comfortable, because it deals with all of those taboo things I love to think of the eighth house is like this is where the brothels are this

Speaker 3: 16:36

is where, like the, the massage places and the brothels and like all of the like. Not necessarily, but if you're going to find this area, that's where it is Right. It's the red light district Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, yeah, and your identity is there, but, like I said, it's at two degrees Aquarius. So I feel like you said kind of like letting go of what traditional people or what tradition or what society like. That's what you're learning to do. That's absolutely the themes of. What you would be learning to do is letting go of beliefs that you hold that are not in alignment with who you actually are, and the beliefs are from the traditions from the past and you know the, the Capricorn energy of like family and structure and this is what we build our life upon right yeah, that kind of, yeah, a thousand percent, a thousand percent that's something that I've been kind of grappling with big time is being like, oh my god, what's my family gonna think of me like doing this kind of stuff?

Speaker 1: 17:38

and I'm still like you know, that is like very. That's been really present for me in the last week, especially because I was most recent.

Speaker 1: 17:45

I was recently with my family and I'm I'm like wow, I don't really feel like I can fully be me around my family because I'm like, what are they going to think? Like, are they going to although my family's always been supportive of me, like, but it's just like this fear that I have of like, oh my God, like I don't know if I can be, not that I'm sexual around my family, but like, like, talking about these kinds of things and like being out in public about like sex and all that stuff Like oh, what's my family going to think I'm like?

Speaker 1: 18:14

should I block them all from Instagram? Right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 18:17

But Pluto is all about that. Like, this is also part of life. Yes, and people are scared of these things, but it's also part of life. Yes, and people are scared of these things, but it's also part of life. And you, yeah, you're here to talk about it and it's interesting. You're talking about family and, like tradition, I'm just looking at your 12th house. Right and right now, we have both uranus and mars transiting your 12th house and uranus shakes like okay, so the 12th house has to do a lot with like your, your family, like your what's it called your lineage Generations?

Speaker 3: 18:47

yeah, your lineage.

Speaker 2: 18:47

Generational, yes, and Uranus wants to disrupt. Uranus disrupts and Mars brings like a powerful force. So that you're saying that you're doing this sort of now and you're not sure what your family's going to think. Well, now is really the time that this is going to disrupt that line, but in an amazing way, exactly in the way that it's supposed to be disrupted, because disruption is not bad, you know. So it's. That's just really cool to see that there. And there's so many really interesting transits in your chart yeah, there are.

Speaker 3: 19:25

And Chi Chi I want to honor that too, With you and me having similar rising signs. I also have this Taurus Gemini 12th house energy and I have planets there, you have current transits there, but I feel that as well, like this, Don't feel like I can fully be myself with my family because of tradition, because of what their beliefs are. They've always supported me and I still don't feel like I can because there's that Taurus there, right? So most of our 12th house is Taurus, which is resistant to change and really likes things to stay the same and really likes to know what to expect. Well, with people like you and me, do you know what to expect? Because I don't even know what to expect out of my own self, right Like?

Speaker 1: 20:13

no idea.

Speaker 3: 20:15

So it's like we cause this kind of discomfort in the lineage by just being ourselves and I think if anything astrology has helped me to recognize is oh look, there's that discomfort. It doesn't mean I'm not supposed to do it, it just means that's why it's there. The lineage, area of life for us doesn't want change. They want it to be comfortable, right and predictable, and you and I are not comfortable or predictable people.

Speaker 1: 20:46

It's not what we're supposed to be so like.

Speaker 3: 20:49

I want to identify with that because I I feel that I really do, and the job and the journey is to step out into your weird woo, woo, witchiness, absolutely, yeah, yeah. So keep doing it, cause Pluto's's gonna, he's gonna, make you so like it's. It's irrelevant, you have to, you have to be a weirdo, it's okay yes it's okay, but you also have so many things in your seventh house.

Speaker 3: 21:15

Your saturn is conjunct uranus, so this is a really big deal in your seventh house with the planet of restriction and follow the rules and need to do things the way tradition has taught me, because that's how we do it. And then it's immediately next to the planet of fuck this shit, I'm out, I'm doing it my own way, nope. So when these two are next to each other, girl, that is an internal like tension already, of this need to rebel and be unique and different. And then this but I have to maintain what I've been taught and I have to do right. So learning how to merge those energies inside of you in a comfortable way is even more challenging when it's talking to Chiron on the other side of the chart. So, chiron, in the first house, we have this core wound around how we identify who I am and, of course, it's in Gemini, which is two different people. So we show this side of ourselves to our family and then we show this side of ourselves to the rest of the world. This is why I don't want my family on Instagram and I feel this. This is why I don't want my family to listen to my podcast.

Speaker 3: 22:37

So this is in your chart in a couple places where there's this I need to be different and unique and autonomous and true to myself because Aquarius demands it. And boy, tradition sure is pulling at me and that generation before sure is yanking yanking at me, but I have to keep going forward. And then that's equally amplified with your moon in Pisces, at 22 degrees Pisces, because then you feel you feel everything, especially with 11th house Pisces. You feel the collective, like you feel humanity's need for you to be your authentic, unique self and autonomous self. That is here to talk about the sex and the kink and the queerness and all of it, right, all of the occult stuff that tradition doesn't want us to. So there's this square energy between this rebellious authority person here and this. I don't know if I'm good enough, smart enough, I don't know who I am, and then, but I feel the world needs me, but I feel my parents and I feel my traditions and I feel, oh God, girl let's just breathe into that for a moment, shall we?

Speaker 3: 23:53

Yeah?

Speaker 3: 23:54

Yeah that's an intense placement that you chose there, chi Chi, when you jumped into this body. Right, you know, and I always think about this, like you could have been born a day before or a day later and had right, like it's all different. But your soul was like no, I want this shit right here. Right, I want this. You got it, yay.

Speaker 3: 24:18

So now, what you're going to do with this? How are you going to work through this internal tension? Well, pluto is helping you. That's why these transits happen. So now Pluto is transiting over your identity so that you can fully come out as yourself, and that is going to create those tension filled lines. That's going to create muscle. That's what tension does. It builds character, it builds muscle, it builds strength. So we go through these transits, like this Pluto sun conjunction, so that we can deal with these internal conflicts we've been dealing with for a while and we're like man, can't we just have a resolution? Yeah, here's the resolution. I'm going to turn you into damn butterfly. Now You're done being a caterpillar and now you get to be a butterfly and you get to be your true self, whatever that looks like, whoever that is. But that's going to help you create this internal strength instead of this internal tension. The tension builds the muscle, which I love. That. That's fun. You just got to go through the transformation process to get there All right All right.

Speaker 3: 25:24

But it's like going to the gym the first couple of days, the first couple of weeks it sucks ass and you're like I don't want to get up and do this. And then after a while you're like, damn, I kind of feel good about it, I feel more enlivened. I like meeting the people Right, you get, you get over that hump right. So it's really understanding the energy that you're. You're kind of entering into that hump. What did you? When?

Speaker 2: 25:47

did you say it was happening next february, january uh, pluto is coming back february 2025 to two degrees, aquarius.

Speaker 3: 25:57

Okay so around next new year's is you're going to really start to feel this, and it'll probably go until like late spring. So you've got January-ish to like April-ish You're going to feel this energy and then you're going to go ah, look it, now I'm myself. Now I'm who I'm supposed to be, Because whatever you're going to go through during that time frame is going to really bring that up yeah, that feels, and yeah, I said that it was.

Speaker 2: 26:29

It was a once-in-a-lifetime transit, but it doesn't even happen to everyone, because Pluto takes 248 years to go all the way around the around the zodiac, which means that I mean we don't get to be 248 years to go all the way around the around the zodiac, which means that I mean we don't get to be 248 years old, at least not yet. So this doesn't happen to to nearly everyone in the world. So it's really like what, um, it's? It's a very special opportunity. But also, like Laura was saying before, like, yes, everyone we chose our own charts. So like, yes, you came here, you chose this because you're ready for this, and that's what I love about astrology as well. Like, whatever you see here, whatever, um, whatever comes easy for you, whatever your challenges are, this is your next step, this is what you chose. Like, okay, well, I, I'm going to do that next and this is here for you Because you chose it, because you're ready for it. How do you feel about All of that? How are you feeling Over there in your chair?

Speaker 1: 27:38

It's a lot, but like I am feeling lot, I know, yeah, but like I am feeling this in my life right now. So it is kind of like, in a way, reassuring to know that I'm like, oh yeah, this is what's meant to be happening in my life and it's okay if there's confusion, it's okay if there's that push and pull and like this internal, like struggle, like it's because that's it's literally what I was born to go through so, yeah, born to do so.

Speaker 1: 28:08

It's kind of like a relief to be like, oh okay, like this is happening, it's supposed to be happening right now, at this time, and it's gonna be fine, like I will figure it out. I just need to go through it and like do the things and just keep going and like trust my you know inner knowing and just push through and I'll get there at some point so now go back and re-listen to this podcast and listen to that line again, what you just said.

Speaker 3: 28:32

I imagine that's much what a caterpillar would say when they're like oh, this is what's supposed to be happening, okay, I gotta do Right. Like I can't even imagine what they're, what they're thinking when they turn to goo and become a butterfly, like what they're like.

Speaker 1: 28:47

I'm just supposed to keep eating this leaf, but okay. I don't know why I'm supposed to leave this cocoon now, all right.

Speaker 3: 28:53

Right. So now something for you, and I love I love astrology again because we know the timing. Now that you know next January to April, ish you're going to be like really feeling this energy. You can go All right, like cool. You don't have to be scared of it, you just recognize around. Maybe Christmas time, maybe you're just going to be feeling different about maybe going home and maybe doing traditional stuff or whatever. It is right. Things might start coming up for you right around the holidays. I bet that's when it would really kick in.

Speaker 3: 29:29

But when I look at your chart, your Mercury is right next to your MC and this is your midheaven, which is like the highest point in the sky when you're born, and it's a really important point to really know about in your chart because it's what you're supposed to offer the world. It's really what you're here to contribute to society, and not everybody has planets on or near their MC and you actually have two. One of them, mercury, is in the ninth house and then you have Venus in the 10th house. So it's really important that you do step into the authentic, unique Aquarian that you are, because you are supposed to be contributing that to society. Like with Mercury in Aquarius, in the ninth house, right next to your MC.

Speaker 3: 30:16

This is very much like give your knowledge and your information to the people. Get out there. It's got. You have to contribute what you know about this experience you're probably going to go through here and the experiences you've been going through, right, not negating like your life experience until now, but all of them put together, because look at, mercury is having this lovely trine and your MC to your Chiron. Your self-esteem issues your core wound of like oh, I don't feel the best doing this and I know this is what I have to do.

Speaker 3: 30:52

I have to step into this other person and I have to communicate it out with my words and be a weirdo. It's real important.

Speaker 1: 31:03

Like. The weirdo part is really, really important.

Speaker 3: 31:05

It's got to be unique. It doesn't fit into anyone else's box. It doesn't fit into any conventional ideas. It's your own. The more you you become, the more that you get to then put that out into the world, which is exactly what you're supposed to do. Put all the weird unique you-ness out there. Does that make sense? It yes, it does.

Speaker 2: 31:31

It does so I think you have a question about your career. Did you say? Did you say? Did you say something like that?

Speaker 1: 31:38

Yeah, my question was about like kind of like my coaching and like where it's going and, yeah, I guess I don't really have like a specific question.

Speaker 3: 31:48

I feel like we just yeah exactly.

Speaker 2: 31:50

It's kind of like all right, I am seeing in your chart and this is another transit in the sky and this is another transit that is a once in a lifetime.

Speaker 2: 31:59

I see it too, yes, in the sky, and this is another transit. That is a once in a lifetime. I see it too, yes, so what's happening right now is uranus the planet I was talking about, that's hanging out in your 12th house the disruptor, the one that shakes things up, changes things, and also is about authenticity. Is is pretty much exactly exactly square, yeah, and a square conversation is a little bit tougher. It's a struggling one to your MC, which is your career, which this, to me, looks like your career is doing like a somersault, yeah, like whatever you do for work is doing a somersault, like it's changing, and it's probably like up, have been upside down or will be a little upside down.

Speaker 3: 32:44

I feel like a rug being pulled out from under.

Speaker 1: 32:47

You feels like what it is, like a rug is being pulled out and you're just kind of rolling is that accurate energy for me, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's kind of been like I'm like I'm not really sure what I'm doing right now yeah, which is exactly exactly how it's supposed to be, and it will take some time.

Speaker 2: 33:07

Like, yeah, now is that time when the rug has probably been pulled out or being pulled out now, and you are already like you're starting to fall, yeah, like you're a little bit in the air. You haven't landed yet and when you land you're going to be landing in a new place, a place that you haven't been before. But that little time, those few seconds when you're falling and you're in the air and you don't know what's going to happen, am I going to hurt myself? What's happening? You know it's scary and that's where you are right now. So it's totally, totally like, of course you're feeling confused, of course you don't really know where things are going. You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to right now. You're supposed to probably, uh, go with it when it's about yourness.

Speaker 2: 33:51

Like it's, it's such a bringer of change and like sometimes it can be happy change. Sometimes it can can be freaky, not nice change, and you're like don't have any money because you were, you know you don't have a job anymore. Or just like you feel like I need that big itch, like I need to change whatever I'm doing for work. I just need to change it. I'm not the same person anymore. I don't want to do the same things anymore, and this is happening right now. Like you're going to be somewhere else completely, uh, next year around this time and it's yeah, this, yeah this. Like I said, there's a lot of transits happening that are very exciting for you. Like there is it's definitely a great time to have an astrology reading.

Speaker 3: 34:35

Yeah, because of these things and I need to point out too that again, uranus just to like bring this circle back around in the 12th house of lineage and ancestral healing and and and in that taurus energy of like not wanting to change and then being square to your career where you're like I, I think I want to step into this energy, but I don't know if my family's going to like that. There it is right.

Speaker 3: 35:02

there you just described a great example of how this would show up. Like I know I'm being called to do this kind of like sexual kind of empowerment stuff and like women's whatever and whatever you're doing, and it's feeling tension filled about, like what's the family going to say. And, oh my God, there it's that, square, right there. You have this, like Helena said, this opportunity, just to recognize it, to feel it, and not necessarily let it stop you, but let it create an opportunity for you to build muscle. How can you build muscle around slowly starting to communicate your weirdness even more to your family, right? Slowly start dropping weirdness bombs, right, just little ones. Slowly integrate your new identity with your family, right? How can you build that muscle? Just like you would at the gym. You don't lift all the weights all at once in the first day, right? You just five pounds at a time right.

Speaker 3: 36:09

Just a little. Give your parents and your family and your culture and whoever you're working with, whoever it is, the lineage energy. Just give a little bit at a time, just a little bit more. Keep stepping towards your authenticity. That's what Aquarius asks, and you have a lot of Aquarius. You have your sun there at two degrees. Your mind is at 19 degrees, your mid heavens at 23. You also have the planet Ceres. She's at seven degrees and she really demands self-care. This is the energy of self-care how you nurture yourself with food, but also with people and with the things that you do and the community you're with, specifically because Aquarius is so community oriented. So this is important for you in a multitude of levels, not only for your mental health but for your identity, but also your physical care of your body. How you nurture and feed yourself actually changes when you're in environments where you don't feel like you can be yourself. You literally don't take care of yourself well if you're not living your authentic life, and I know your story did touch on that.

Speaker 3: 37:20

Your Dare to Express chapter talked about that and then like the not taking care of yourself part of that. So I feel like that's a big deal too, to kind of take note of that. You really need to be true to who you are, no matter how strange or you know all the Aquarian words. It's really important not only for you but for what you're here to contribute to society, which I love that too yeah we need your weirdness yes we need it. Bring it on out. What questions do you have?

Speaker 1: 37:55

oh, I mean, this has been a lot to take in, mostly just because it's like, yeah, that's what I've been really moving through this last year. Yeah, I'm curious. I guess I'm curious, like, what are some other transits that would be like kind of like pushing me forward?

Speaker 2: 38:13

And like what are some opportunities that I could be taking to really like make the most out of this time have jupiter in transit, and jupiter is that, if there ever was a planet that was, you know, represent luck, it's jupiter. It's just, it's like big jolly planet that's like, oh, that thing I can lift it. Yeah, no problem, I'll do that. I'm gonna go to that party and, like you know, just like I'm super optimistic and also like, enhances and enlarges things. And jupiter is right now in your first house and it will be there until june 2025 when it moves back into your second house.

Speaker 2: 39:02

And the first house is all about, it's really you, like you will be, will be super focused on you and everything that is like and when I say you like, all of your chart is you, but this is very much about your position in this world like, also, like your physical being, so it will be hard to miss you during this time and all of these other things we've been talking about, about uranus in a square to your mc, but your work, about pluto, you know, transforming you during this time.

Speaker 2: 39:31

You also have like, this energy of like I'm here, like you can't even hide from yourself, you can't hide from anyone because, yeah, you can't look away from jupiter in the first house, and this brings like, if you can't look away. Well, then you have to look at it and then I guess you have to do something about whatever's happening. So it won't be easy to hide from whatever is happening which is great, I think, because then you really have to to dig in there but also, like you're going into, like you're going to be walking around the world, not just like look at me, but also seeing the world through this filter of like yeah, I can do that.

Speaker 3: 40:12

Yes, that's sort of what it brings, I agree. I think he really is supporting this Pluto transit you have with the sun, and Uranus with the MC, and then you also have Saturn that's going to touch over here on your moon not too long from now too. So there's that energy too. But with Jupiter going through your first house, I feel like he's really helpful right now. He takes 12 and a half 12 and a half, I think years to go around the Zodiac, so he hasn't been there since about 2012. So this is a new cycle for you to really have some optimism around the I, the I am while you make these changes. Right, it's almost like he's supporting you and he's like the friend going no, it's OK, like you got this. Come on, I know this shit sucks, but let's go to the gym anyway. Come on, we're going to push you out on the stage also?

Speaker 2: 41:00

Yeah, you can do it. Go out there.

Speaker 3: 41:02

Yeah, yeah I believe in you.

Speaker 3: 41:04

Yeah, he can get a little obnoxious, a little excessive, so at times it may feel a little too much like you're on the stage and the spotlight's just on you and you're not ready to go Right. So it can feel a little overwhelming. But when that happens, we got to think about Gemini energy. He's going through Gemini and Gemini is information and communication. So if he gets, if, if this feeling gets too much of like people are looking at me too much, the only thing you have to do is communicate, just let people know where you're at.

Speaker 3: 41:38

Aries is the ruler of the first house, so it's very, uh, intense and direct, and jupiter is pretty brave and expansive when it comes to giving people like an mojo, like an energy to do it. And I would say this is a time where you can really communicate, like I said, with your family and all the things you need to do to make these changes and help you along. Jupiter is going to help you kind of sprinkle the communication and utilize the information that you have and friends networking, pulling from your friends in your network group for support. Gemini is all about friends and friendships. So I think this is a great time for you to really lean on friends. Reach out to friends, kind of build your communication around with friendships again. Maybe reach out to people you haven't connected with in a while and be like hey's, let's do a zoom and jump on and see how we're, how you're doing right. This is a great time for that kind of energy and like, get people back in your, in your rolodex, or you're not, what do they call them?

Speaker 3: 42:40

now just your contacts list I guess dating myself here with rolodex, so does that make sense for you? How does that feel with Jupiter there?

Speaker 3: 42:57

Yeah, I mean it feels like Jupiter's kind of like pushing me forward and supercharging me and just being like, yeah, this is the time to do it, and like it's all going to work out and it's going to be amazing, yes, and when he comes over your Chiron at 23 degrees, this is going to be a really big expander of doing the healing work, the healing work around why I felt that way and why I'm working to feel this way A lot of like deep inner feelings with Chiron. He's like deep wound stuff, so Jupiter will help kind of shine again that spotlight on these wounds and so when he's right over Chiron, you may feel extra vulnerable. You may feel like, oh, I have a burn here, don't touch it. Oh, like, be careful right.

Speaker 3: 43:37

Like you may feel a little bit more sensitive, especially when it comes to being this mature, rebellious one. Right, like that's really what you have to do is step into rebelling, but rebelling in a mature way. Right, with Uranus and Saturn, and so Jupiter is going to be activating that wound so that you can really take care of it, it can heal really well and then you can use it as as your strength instead of a deficit. Right, it's almost like I think of, like someone who's a paraplegic, but now they're like in the Olympics doing, you know, doing shit that they would never would have done had they not, like, lost their leg or whatever, right. So stuff like that, where you can do some healing on a massively deep level because Jupiter just goes really big, that's there and really use it to then catapult yourself into the next realm and into the who you're, authentic self that pluto is asking that you step into. So I feel like this is such a transformational year for you, holy moly yeah, and we also have mars moving into your first house, joining Jupiter.

Speaker 2: 44:51

Not in so long, in the middle of August, mars will also be in your first house and that is also something like really to help you like, push you, like. It will really be the Mars is our drive, so it will really like drive you to show up as who you are, and I also feel like this is beneficial for your physical body as well, because mars belongs in the first house and it would like strengthen that. So it would also be a great time to get more physical, get more active, because you know you might, your body might even crave that with mars there. Oh, I mean that also means like very active sex, maybe you know like working, like with your body, like being very active activating.

Speaker 2: 45:39

All that, because mars is also very much about passion yeah, I that's so funny.

Speaker 1: 45:45

You mentioned that because today I started this like six week fitness challenge today.

Speaker 2: 45:50

So like that's literally happening right now, okay, yeah, perfect, you're lining everything up, just perfectly, wow.

Speaker 3: 45:58

I love when people are in alignment with their own chart and they don't even know it. It makes me so happy.

Speaker 3: 46:03

And and not only that, but I'm looking you have actually Mars is about to be opposite your natal Mars. You have your natal Mars at nine degrees, Sagittarius, so that makes sense that you would actually sign up for that now, prior to the transiting Mars entering your first house, because you're actually activating your own self. You're activating your own natal Mars very, very soon here and it's you're probably feeling that right now and that's that's your drive and ambition to stay healthy. With your natal Mars in the sixth house, you really have a healthy drive to keep moving and keep your health and your body moving. And because it's in Sagittarius, you like to explore new classes and new courses and new ways of moving your body. Oh, maybe I'll try, you know, hot yoga and maybe I'll try pole dancing and maybe I'll try roller Derby or what like all of the various ways to move your body. Yeah, yeah, that's really fun. I love that. You're like already in that action mode and you're like I just signed up.

Speaker 1: 47:01

Yeah, it's like today was the first day, okay.

Speaker 3: 47:06

That's fun. I do think Saturn is somebody to talk about too, um, as we kind of up, just because he's like the mature one we need to focus on, and for him he's going through your 10th slash, 11th area of life, and that's exactly where he is for me. And so, because our charts line up so well, it's really funny. So this is somebody. I've been really paying attention to Saturn a lot for the last couple of years because he, he really is a. He's a big ruler of our chart, he's a big, big planet and he's the one who makes the rules Right. He is the sheriff of the police station, he's the principal of the school, he's the guy who you need to say yes, sir. Or the man or the man who, yes, ma'am, right to say yes, sir. Or the man or the ma'am who, yes, ma'am, right. This is the person that we respect their authority. If we don't, that's when we get, you know, the the push or the shove or the frying pan upside the head.

Speaker 3: 48:02

Now, saturn's been trekking through our 10th houses for a while now and it is important to take note that wherever Saturn is, there is a feeling of restriction. Right, if you're driving and there's a cop behind you. Are you speeding? Nope, you're restricted. You have your hands at 10 and two. You got your seatbelt on, your radio's turned down and you are focused. Why? Because there is authority right on your ass, right, if you have an ankle monitor on, because, whatever you don't leave your house, there is authority at on your ass, right If you have an ankle monitor on, cause, whatever you don't go, leave your house, there is authority at your place, right.

Speaker 3: 48:35

So Saturn is the authority and he has been trekking through this area of life of you need to be mature with your, your business, and you need to start creating structures and you need to have some systems and like he's really been making you like work kind of behind the scenes and get structures and get your people and get your things gathered that you need to have so that you can build your community. And that's what's going on right now is it's like the career situation and the emails and the link trees and all that stuff has been what you've been supposed to be working on and building. And now, as he's shifting into the 11th area of life of groups and community and reaching more people again, we now need to be more disciplined in that area. So this is really important because, again, your moon sign is here and your north node, 22 and 24 degrees Pisces.

Speaker 3: 49:30

So when he comes over these, this is where we need emotional maturity and we need to really be mindful of how much emotional energy we're giving to our people versus how much we're giving to ourself. We can't overgive, because it'll shoot your nervous system in the foot and then you won't be able to function at all and then you'll have self-esteem issues and then, like the whole, everything will fall apart. So he's going to really force you to make sure you have some discipline around your work hours, some discipline around how and when you get back to people right, not overextending and depleting yourself. So these are all themes that he's really making you work on, and it's in Pisces, which means we have to work on the deep healing. The deep healing and the spiritual healing and the witchiness and the woo and the spiritual stuff. You and me are both here to do some weird spiritual shit. Yes, a hundred percent, and Saturn's making us be mature about how we do that.

Speaker 1: 50:30

Do we?

Speaker 3: 50:30

have an email system? Do we have an Instagram that shows who we really are? Or is it sort of hiding it right? And Saturn's saying, hey, it's time to grow up and really put some effort into this area, and he's going to feel, or there's going to feel, restriction in that area until he, you know, stops driving behind you. And for you and me, our 11th houses are both very big, so our community is going to be a main focus, and how we want to leave society better and what are the humanitarian things we'd like to put our effort and energy into to make a change in this world. This, these are the decisions we need to really be focusing on, like right now, for the next couple years, two, three years at least. So I think that transit is an important one to to pay attention to as well. He is you gotta, you gotta mind saturn okay, I will.

Speaker 3: 51:24

Yes, ma'am, yes, saturn right will do awesome how's that feel, chichi, that was lot. We gave you a lot of information.

Speaker 1: 51:33

Yeah, oh, my goodness, you know it's funny. It's like how we were like, oh, we've been trying to do this for a very long time and it's like, of course, it was meant to be at this time that we do this.

Speaker 1: 51:52

And it just like you know, it's just a reminder that like to really trust in the timing of things and that it's all working out the way it's meant to. And yeah, I'm definitely going to like re-listen to this and like reflect on it, journal about it and like cause this is just like I mean anytime. I like last time I had a reading with you, my mind was blown, so I'm just like, oh my gosh, but this one's like a big one, this is a big one felt really big, like I know I've done other readings with you, but this one felt like oh, oh, oh, look, oh there's a lot of like, almost like fireworks, right, it feels like your chart is really lit up, right now, yeah, yeah, I feel that I've been feeling that

Speaker 1: 52:24

in my life, so it makes a lot of sense that it's what's in my yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:30

I want to mention some things before we go and I definitely, like we haven't talked so much about your moon. I just want to give a shout out to your Pisces moon, because everything that we talked about like with a Pisces moon that you have I know that you're always considering everyone else, because with the Pisces moon, you will be feeling everyone else's feelings. It's so easy for you to see all of the sides of something and you're super empathic, so changing something or like doing something new, that you're not sure how your family will think, and all of these things and and being different, it's, it's, it's not easy, it's not easy. And just, yeah, shout out to your moon about that. And I also want to say about Pluto coming soon again to your sun, this year, coming now and maybe the year after. Even.

Speaker 2: 53:24

It's a great time to put yourself into situations where you have a good net of people you feel safe with and like, um, like a, like a safety net, and even maybe set yourself up to to have, uh, someone to go and talk to, maybe like a therapist to help you, just to guide you through whatever is happening. Because I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna. I have a similar something happening a couple of years and I know that's what I'm gonna do. This I'm gonna I have a similar something happening a couple of years and I know that's what I'm gonna be doing because I know I will need that help to sort of just be that flashlight and like guide along the way in my psyche a little bit. So I would suggest to, yeah, a therapist or like a group or, uh, you know, a circle or or just find yourself a safe space where you can explore.

Speaker 2: 54:12

And I'm going to leave you with a couple of questions also, because I saw that a while ago, back in 2021 and 2022, you had Neptune conjunct your moon and you don't have to answer these questions now, but I want you to bring them with you. And the first one is then you have to think back to April 2021 and February 2022. What did you learn about emotional boundaries? And second question what did you learn about emotional intuition?

Speaker 3: 54:45

Interesting. That's right when our book project is.

Speaker 1: 54:49

Yeah, that's what came to my mind. Was that book? Yeah?

Speaker 2: 54:54

that's another once in a lifetime transit that you had very recently. So, yeah, your choice is really just.

Speaker 3: 55:01

There's so much happening in your life that's interesting too, because your moon's in the 11th house and you wrote a very emotional chapter that literally went out to like people Right.

Speaker 1: 55:13

Like the masses.

Speaker 3: 55:14

So that I feel like, if anything, if you think back, it probably was a real intuitive thing for you to even do the book thing. Right, Just kind of almost like oh, I guess I'm doing this All right.

Speaker 1: 55:26

Yeah, yeah, it's like oh shit, I'm writing this, I'm it's being published and it's people are gonna see that.

Speaker 3: 55:32

Okay, yeah, I got this happening, yeah yeah, yeah, I remember the struggle you had with that.

Speaker 2: 55:37

That was a big one for you that's a big one for you yeah, so interesting that you brought those time frames up, helena, hmm shout out to you and everything that you're doing and you can do this and we got you and all the others. They have you as well.

Speaker 3: 55:54

Yes.

Speaker 1: 55:55

Yes.

Speaker 3: 55:56

Yeah Well, how can people find you Chi Chi? Where can they?

Speaker 1: 55:59

Yeah, so I'm on Instagram. My handle is Chi Chi. Underscore loves you, because I do, and I'm also on TikTok. Now I created a TikTok on Saturday, like a few days ago, and I've only posted one thing, but I'm also on TikTok. I'll be, you know, I don't know what. I'm doing, doing your weird stuff underscore, because there was another Chi Chi underscore loves you on TikTok already and they only made one post, like five years ago, and I was like annoying, annoying. So it's Chi Chi underscore, loves you. Underscore on TikTok.

Speaker 3: 56:39

Excellent. Well, I can't wait to see what you use TikTok for, because I feel like that will be a space where you can explore all of the things we talked about today.

Speaker 1: 56:49

Right, yeah, I think that's what it's like a blank slate for me to just like be weird and just like whatever it's like. I don't like Instagram. I feel like it's a little curated, like people know me on there, but TikTok, it's like fresh, fresh starting fresh.

Speaker 3: 57:02

Amazing. Thank you for joining us today. It was so fun to have you and dive into your chart.

Speaker 1: 57:11

We appreciate it. Yeah, thank you both for this. This has really been just mind blowing and also like I feel I feel better. I feel I mean I felt good, but I feel like even better and I feel even more like trusting, of like what's happening in my life. So, thank you, thank you so much, thank you for your insight and your wisdom. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3: 57:26

Awesome. Thank you everybody for listening. Take care everyone. Bye-bye.