Season 1, Episode 3: Deirdre Nero

 Regina Campbell, Principal Attorney of the Campbell Law Group, PA has an intriguing and entertaining conversation with South Florida immigration attorney, Deirdre Nero, regarding changes in policy from one administration to the current one and throughout the pandemic. Additionally, and just as important, the two discuss Deirdre's role with the National Alopecia Areata Foundation.

https://neroimmigration.com/
https://www.naaf.org/

Transcript

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hi welcome back uh to the Campbell corner I’m your host and principal attorney Regina Campbell from the

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Campbell law group uh thank you for joining us for episode threes of season one of the Campbell corner it is my

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great pleasure to introduce to you uh south Florida immigration attorney and activist Deirdre Nero hi nice to meet you

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thanks for having me thanks for coming thanks for coming to the Campbell court nice to meet you I already know Regina

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hello so it's an exciting time to be an immigration attorney isn't it yes very

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um it's been an exciting time to be an immigration attorney for a couple years now um we definitely

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immigration is one of those fields that's like always exciting because there's always something interesting happening you know so it's always

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something that um an area of law that keeps you on your toes but then when we had the trump administration come in

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everyone all the immigration attorney's heads were like collectively exploding because um there was something new

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happening literally like yes every week yeah it was crazy and they always seem to announce like some kind of policy

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change or something like on a Friday at like the end of the day and so ever you know I have a bunch of immigration

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lawyers shots and stuff and everyone was just like going crazy you know so it was it's been an interesting

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four years and now that we've transitioned to a different administration um

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it's still interesting because now they're still making changes um and they're still trying to you know

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do things and then we have the pandemic come in and then go through a big wrench into everything yeah I can't

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imagine I can imagine I know there were some times where literally like I had clients that were stuck and you know in the trump administration they didn't get

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much notice so like they're going to change policies fairly quickly and they would have they were traveling or they were you know going to other countries

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and depending and it was it's been kind of crazy um

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yeah I mean I can talk more about that if you want yeah it's up to you entirely up to you I’m also going to ask you what kind of effect the pandemic has had on

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immigration right because right yes administrations uh the course of change and biomed you're welcome to talk a

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little bit more about the this specific distinctions because I know it's almost 180 degrees in the other direction to

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some extent with some of the policies so it is I mean it's funny because I think that a lot of us were hoping that

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the changes would be like felt immediately and they definitely were with like the tone

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you know like the tone of the trump administration towards immigrants in general was much harsher um they even like

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changed the motto of the eight at the immigration agency to kind of uh make it

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more um they took out like their customer service type of words and they like changed the you know like the whole

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tone was different um so we thought that pretty quickly the change in tone um but

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a lot of the policy changes and you know I mean from my perspective the damage that was done

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in the during the trump administration you can't undo it overnight it's very hard to undo that stuff overnight so

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it's been slow but we're definitely starting to see okay you know positive changes but then you know as you as you

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mentioned the pandemic threw like a huge monkey wrench into everything and um

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made immigration a lot more complicated because of the travel restrictions um in

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addition to the travel restrictions embassies and consulates around the world completely shutting down for the

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majority of 2020 um in the process of reopening but I mean

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reopening because yeah we're still most empties and consoles like you still can't get an appointment um unless it's

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a life emergency so even though they're like open they're not actually open um you

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know in the in the sense that they're processing cases right so for all intents and

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purposes they're practically still closed a lot of them um so it's been very complicated and then people getting

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trapped not just abroad but people getting trapped here in the united states right so um we had a lot of clients that

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you know were maybe trying to leave before whatever um stay that they had in the united states

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expired and they couldn't because their country had canceled flights or had you know restrictions and they weren't allowed to

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go back to their country so then you don't want to become you know overstaying and illegal in the

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united states so then helping you know people in that situation maintain um legal status that became a big

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mission um for uh most immigration attorneys myself included

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um so now we're seeing stuff starting to open back up again but

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I think a lot of us were expecting Biden administration to immediately

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do away with a lot of the restrictions but because they've been so focused on getting the pandemic under control

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I think that they themselves felt like caught between like a rock and a hard place like do we

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do we rescind these to be more like immigration friendly but then we look like we're not doing everything we could

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do to control the pandemic and that's really our number one focus and so um

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you know I could imagine that they were in kind of like you know I could picture them like in the four rooms like trying to make the

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tough decisions like what do we do in this situation you know um so a lot of those restrictions were kept in place

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um but now finally you know they're starting to say that as soon as next month November we're going to see

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um lifting there's some of these restrictions but the new thing that they're talking

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about which um on my social media for the law firm I posted this article that I saw yesterday in fact

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um the new debate is probably going to be like which vaccines that's what are going to be acceptable

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and a lot of people in certain countries are getting vaccines that might not be acceptable

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and so even though they're fully vaccinated they might not be vaccinated with a vaccine that we're going to accept and so then that's putting people

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into another position I actually had a potential client that I was talking to

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Monday I think and they've been vaccinated twice with the vaccine from their country but they

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don't think it's one that's going to be accepted so they came to the united states and then got another two vaccines

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with our with a Pfizer vaccine that they know will be accepted and so now they've had four vaccines oh my goodness I know

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I was like wow you're like bionic now I know I have so many vaccines um so

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that's going to be I think the new thing that we're going to be watching um with the in terms of travel restrictions

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so that's what i've been hearing I mean like a lot of times uh they're going to open the borders of Mexico and Canada but then what's the issue with the

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vaccine someday right some have gotten one Astro Xena vaccine and another one maybe from the country from that

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the Mexico Canada thing was that um the restrictions were actually just on the land at um ports of entry okay if

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you flew they didn't have those same restrictions okay and a lot of people didn't even

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understand like that so there's a lot of like little things I kind of I was joking with my with my team like okay I

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think we become travel agents in a way during the pandemic or as a result of the pandemic because now we're giving a

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lot of advice about traveling how do you get here yes exactly mode of transportation so maybe we should open

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Nero immigration travel agency or something like that I like that

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this pandemic has made us all kind of reinvent a lot of different things and you know evolve and just have to be

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dynamic to change and resilient it's amazing for sure I mean definitely the whole going remote thing was a big

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change for I know that everyone across the board and all industries felt and now transitioning back into

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being in person and you know what does that look like and

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how comfortable are people with that I mean I have clients now that are wanting to come in and do in-person meetings

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again I I literally did my first in-person meeting um this week wow and it was

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a little like how do we navigate this was kind of sitting far away from them

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we kept our masks on because we didn't you know we were trying to keep everyone feeling comfortable do you shake their

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hands do you give them a kiss on the cheek you know a lot of Europeans and months we do that and sort of i've been caught

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in situations where someone comes in and we're kind of like I know what do we do so it's been it's interesting but um

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my team is back you know in person and so we're ready to go so do

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you focus on particular immigration uh one area of immigration um I do have a particular focus I focus on what we call

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business immigration um so that deals a lot with investors entrepreneurs

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professionals corporate immigration and also includes things like employer immigration compliance so helping us

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companies um stay in compliance with for example their i9 or e-verify requirements um for

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their for their employees we do also do quite a bit of family

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immigration so helping people bring their relatives to the united states um typically it's U.S. citizens and

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permanent residents that can then um petition to bring foreign national family members over so

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we do a fair amount of that as well and then the most fun is um helping people naturalize

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um that's always fun you know they get their little flag and you know we always get so um happy when we when we help

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someone become a U.S. citizen um that's really the culmination I have a lot of clients that i've been doing this

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for 18 years already which I can't believe it's great when I say that I’m like oh my gosh I’m getting old

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but i've had clients that you know we took them through like the entire life cycle of immigration and they've been my

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clients like the whole time maybe they started as tourists and we helped them they got their tourist visa then they

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you know transitioned to a student and we helped them with their student visa and then after they had their student

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visa they got a job with a U.S. company and so we helped them transition to a professional

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work visa and then that company loved them and wanted to keep them so we helped them get a green card based on

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their work and then once they've had their green card for several years we helped them become a citizen and then once they're a citizen then we help them

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petition for their family members so you know it's like the whole really the whole cycle um and I love

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I love doing that right like helping someone through like the whole process it's really it really is beautiful and I

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don't know when I when I see I have some friends that also become citizens and I that is the biggest smile on their face

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when they're holding that the American flag I know I love it it's the best it is it is I started

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sending clients um passport covers once they once they naturalize um because they think that there's just

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like a nice little thing for them like okay give us passport right like finally it's been like a long time in the making

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so it's always um it's always a pleasure to help do that love that any changes particularly the type of visas or the

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amounts of visas like in the business and all the areas that you do that you've seen changes and either increasing the amount of available visas

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or decreasing certain ones that um talk about not in particular that the

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numbers have changed um those are typically congressionally mandated like

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limitations and so that takes you know laws being changed um which we all

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know is quite complicated especially when it comes to immigration it seems like um they're always trying to change the

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immigration laws but it never seems to never go all the way to the finish line um i've been doing this like I said for

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about 18 years now and they've been basically talking about doing immigration reform

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the entire time and I know that that conversation was there before I started practicing as well

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um so you know it's hard but we in terms of demand um

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we have seen a lot of increased um demand from certain

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countries you know lately it's been like a lot of Colombians a lot of Argentinians a lot

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of Chileans um you know I think that it really depends

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on what's happening in in other countries um that drives those trends you know and so when

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they see maybe something coming in their government that they are feeling uncomfortable about yeah and

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then you start to see like more of people from that certain country certainly makes sense yeah because

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that's interesting to us to stay on top of um everything that's happening around the world it is especially right now you

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know and there's unfortunately there's a lot of uh governments around the world that are taking advantage of the pandemic actually down

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on certain control and authoritarianism and so forth so I can only imagine it's going to potentially increase depending

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on yeah on what continues to happen but I mean luckily um for me I guess that

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um we were we stayed quite busy throughout the pandemic you know there was a period especially when um trump

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was first putting the restrictions and it wasn't just the country based restrictions but he also did visa based

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bans um those that Biden did away with pretty quickly um when he when his

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administration went in but I remember feeling like

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for a second there am I going to have to like start doing another type of law yeah immigration is like all I like have

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done for 18 years I don't really know how to do another type of law um maybe I’m going to have to reinvent

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myself in that way you know 18 years in and I was stressing about that so much and it was literally like

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the opposite happened like it was just so busy you know we've never been busier so it's just amazing though I guess

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that's good I think in this country we never thought that might have been an issue like or something could change so

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drastically so I think you know it's it is it's a little awkward I would say I agree

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so you're really big into immigration reform and immigrants right to even travel to Washington to I you know to

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actually I guess push and help in some of those aspects is there any specific act or

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legislation that you're pushing or any type of particular um not right now right now my advocacy efforts well I

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i've always remained very uh impassioned advocate for immigration reform and immigrants rights

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um but lately I will say that my advocacy efforts have been more focused on my private um endeavors which I think

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we're going to talk about a little bit more with the foundation I’m involved with um I did I have done a lot of

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advocacy work in dc on immigration but um lately my dc efforts have been focused

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more on my foundation okay let's talk about it so you're the secretary uh secretary of the board of

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director for the national alopecia

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[Laughter] um it's the national alopecia areata foundation yeah I am the secretary of

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the board actually um until the end of this year I cannot believe it but i've already been the secretary um for the

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full uh time that's allowed under the bylaws of the foundation which is five years um so

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that went by fast but um I am also one of their uh on their

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advocacy and legislative teams so that's um why my uh advocacy efforts are picked up

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on that and so the alopecia areata foundation is um

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the premier patient foundation for the autoimmune disease alopecia areata which I have

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um and so originally that is what got me obviously

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interested in doing this work because it was something very personal to me um and

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in that regard helped me heal myself in a lot of ways because um so it's an

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autoimmune disease that makes your hair fall out so this is Christy this is my wig she has a name Christy all my wakes

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up names um so this is not you know if when I take this off I’m completely bald I don't have

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eyebrows this is microblading you know no eyelashes except for a few stray ones

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that grew on one eye I don't know why um but you know I wear like a lot of eyeliner to hide that I don't have body

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hair so this is because of this autoimmune disease or basically my body is like

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attacks my hair as a as something that shouldn't be there when in fact that's like wrong it's like a misfiring of your

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autoimmune so it's really hard um thing to deal with as a as a woman but also

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for men as well um very it's very hard for like self um self

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esteem your image um your self image your just everything that you like feel

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about yourself um it sounds very oh it's just hair it's just cosmetic

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but it is like losing a body part your hair is part of part of you part of your body

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and when suddenly it's not there it's very difficult to deal with that and it really changes the way that you

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see yourself and the way that you perceive others see you

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um as a professional it's also then adds like another layer

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to it you know where I you know I I feel a lot of times like

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I don't wear my wig all the time right like so a lot of my life I’m I’m walking around without my wig on and um

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fine with it right like I I you know I’m very open with my condition at least for the past several years it wasn't always

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that way um but you know it was an evolution that actually the foundation helped me make that evolution and so that's part

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of why I’m so uh passionate about being an advocate for them because I know what it did for me and I want other people

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to have that I was going to ask you yeah but it's funny because like in the professional setting I’m always like

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okay like I guess I guess I should probably have my hair on because when I’m talking to a potential client I don't want them

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the whole time that I’m telling them about their visa and all of these complicated issues that we're talking about to be like staring at my head and

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wondering you know does she have cancer is she sick you know what yes because I do actually I

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mean it's unfortunate but I get those questions a lot you know like walking around bald you

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know part of what the foundation wants to do is raise awareness so people know

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what alopecia is so when they see a bald woman they don't just assume that you're going through chemotherapy

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they um might think oh maybe this person has alopecia you know um but if you don't know what it is you

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obviously can't know that right so raising awareness is part of

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I’m sure it's got to be very important because some people get frightened they don't know if it is cancer or something that could be

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potentially contagious unfortunately awareness when you don't have the awareness of what something can be you're eating something

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and with my clients like I don't want them worried oh maybe she can't handle my case or not even that but just

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being distracted you know not listening to what I’m saying about their visa you know and then I’m going to have to end up repeating it a hundred times when they

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call me back you know so yeah um typically in a professional setting i've got you know Christy or one of my other

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girls um on but you know I I am still very open um I think as a as an advocate

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I had to come to terms with being open because I was like okay if I’m going to be an advocate and be an outspoken advocate um

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that means having to be authentic and show my authentic yeah self at least in some

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settings right like I don't always have to i've got my wig on right now I wanted to wear it and here I am wearing it and

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um but in other um settings you know maybe if I do a fun fundraiser for the

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foundation I’ll typically do that without my wig on yes yeah um or when we do the lobbying um you know trips and

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we're up in in dc which unfortunately and you know we haven't actually physically been to dc we were still able

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to do our advocacy um on zoom which is interesting it's not quite the same but you know I guess we

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all have to become accustomed to that in the last year and a half but um typically I’ll do those also you

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know because it's part of getting the message across that uh unfortunately when you do have a

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very visual condition that is visually yes I know what you mean yes it's not

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that you want to like capitalize on that but it's a good way to get people to

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understand oh you know oh I get it yes you know they understand and I think the thing is

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when it it's amazing is that what you're saying with clients you might put on your weight so that's not distracting and

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you're sort of taking on the attorney rules they're doing what's best for the client but then when you take it off and you're an advocate in general you felt

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you can show you can feel comfortable with yourself that you shine through your voice shines through your person it comes through you being confident and

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proud and just and it comes out and that is the most important thing there are people that don't have that whether you

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know they have hair don't have hair and they have to learn it's been a journey for sure let me tell you I didn't always

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feel um you know that I could just pop my wig off better I feel comfortable um that was a process

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many years in the making i've had alopecia for about half of my life for half your life okay um you know I’m 44

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now um you know and I got it when I was 21 so over half of my life yes yeah um

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you know so yeah that that's very tough I mean you're brave and courageous because honestly thank you appreciate that absolutely every time I

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see I see you and I see you have jewelry too don't you they have jewelry that you so my sister and I started a jewelry

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line we've actually been kind of inactive on it um recently uh just because of other commitments but we did

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we did start a jewelry line together that was mostly like big earrings okay because the idea was like when you are

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you know someone that's suffering with hair loss you want to have something fun you know like things or like you

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know something like that to kind of accent your um look and also

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you know it's hard but it makes you feel at least me and I think other women feel

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this way too that suffer with alopecia and other medical hair loss like you feel less feminine when you don't have

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your hair I got you know and so a big piece of jewelry or something helps you kind of get that fantastic makeup

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you know um eyelashes which I I still don't wear them I try really hard because I want

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them so badly but I can't get them to stay correctly I don't have the magic touch with the false eyelashes you

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wouldn't want to see me put false that would be like this

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a couple times the occasion to have professional makeup done for something and they always put them and I’m like oh they're so fabulous I wish I could do it

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myself yes my daughter's my daughter can just snap them on snap them off it's a new

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generation I know I if I even try she just starts laughing at me and um

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funny so that's um you know so but I I I want to ask you someone so strong so powerful and advocate in so many areas

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for immigration and also for alopecia that's been something difficult in a journey for yourself

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you know who has been the most influent you know someone so strong I don't know who's been the most influential person for you in your life

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oh my gosh there's so many I think my parents probably I know that's like sounds like a cliche like answer but my

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parents have just been i've been such a lucky person to have amazing strong

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parents that encouraged me to be the way that I am and really let me kind of run with my

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crazy you know sometimes overpowering you know nature and encourage me to

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really be a strong powerful woman so I think that um

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they definitely have been big influences um I think my boyfriend uh Eric Erdogan

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he's an attorney as well he's been a great influence on me in terms of like being a business owner um i've watched

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him grow his business and so um that helped me a lot especially a couple

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times when I was thinking of like throwing in the towel like I’ll just go back to working for a firm you know

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maybe I don't want to run my own business anymore you know I watching him really helps me kind of

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okay you know you can do it like you know stay inspired being a business owner is hard you know they don't teach

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you that in law school no the business owner is separate from being a lawyer it really is totally separate so it's like we have two jobs

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right we wanted to actually be a good lawyer but the other one is like running a business and I’m like i don't I never

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learned how to do that part you know so he's been really good for me in that way and um I have a recent

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uh person that's been very inspirational to me um especially more like the advocacy

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for alopecia friend and that's um congresswoman Ayanna Presley okay um she

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is a congresswoman from Massachusetts who um the beginning of 2020's it was before

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all the pandemic craziness started um she came out

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as having alopecia universalis which is the same kind i have where you just lose like everything all your hair all your

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eyelashes eyebrows um and she has been just from day one like

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balls on the floor of congress like bald on tv like not even worrying about it at

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all like just like okay I’m bald now I did my video coming out and now I’m just going to be i'm being myself being myself

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and she's become a really strong advocate for um our patient community and our

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foundation um but just watching her and like how powerful and awesome she is of like just

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walking her bald head from like day one where it took me like you know yeah a million years to get like even

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remotely to that point yeah even just partially you know because I I call myself like a half timer like half time

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in my wig after I’m pulled she's awesome and we recently had our advocacy team at the foundation had the

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opportunity to do um in person I mean it was on zoom but in person you know uh 2021 version of in

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person meeting with her um and it was just I mean I think it was crying within

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like two minutes of the meeting because it was just so she's awesome she's very powerful and

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outspoken and just like rocking she's very confident in herself it sounds like she exudes like confidence

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so you know I see her and I’m like maybe I should just take my weight off

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all the time like you know what I mean and so I do think that that's

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going to happen eventually I don't know in my journey if I’m like all the way there yet you know like I

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I think the missing puzzle piece for me is to

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not worry about it in terms of like the client interaction and all of that but

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I’m not quite there yet but when I see her and um I get kind of inspired and

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you know my boyfriend's very encouraging he's like I think you'd get more business if you do yeah yes I think you'll be busier and

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more successful even I don't know why you're so worried about it and I’m like I don't know but then do I want to be

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like the bald attorney like I don't know I don't know if I’m ready for like all of these monikers I don't know we'll see

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you know maybe you'll see me back here on the you know season five of the of the podcast and I’ll be like

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what are you talking about you know I don't know we'll see we're happy to have you back by all means and you know that's it's part of

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your journey everyone has your own journey you got to you got to do it at your pace whatever you feel comfortable with you know yeah and that's something

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that we also impress upon our patient community because not everyone it's not ready to

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come out that way or wants to or ever will yeah it's true it's very true some people are like okay that's like end

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game goal like I definitely want to get there other people are like that's not even something that they are it's not

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considering but they're still very outspoken advocates for alopecia you know and so it's not that they're hiding

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that they have it but they just it's not even a thing for them to even consider so everyone

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has their own yeah their level of comfort and what their purpose behind things and what they just know that it's okay it doesn't

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mean that you're less of like that you're a lesser advocate because you don't want to take your wig off no of

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course not so um that's also kind of something that we impress upon on everyone in our patient

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community as well so by all means if you can give us some information we'll post it with the video so if anyone wants to support the

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national I would love to that would be that would be amazing um I I love to um

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get people out to fundraisers unfortunately because of the pandemic we haven't had a fun

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a fun fundraiser um yeah in a while but um before the pandemic I was doing like

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really really I mean in my opinion really fun casino night

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the daily casino night and then um I always had like a really cool prize at the end because obviously you're not gambling for money um you're gambling

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for donations basically yeah but at the end like the person who like wins

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big at the casino would get like a prize we have a cruise like a really nice prize you know so it was really fun um

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open bar like we had Bacardi sponsoring and you know really great events so I’m

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really excited to get back to that at some point um yeah and you know it's all for a really good

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cause yeah absolutely um absolutely well I want to thank you so much for coming today to the Campbell corner it's such a

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pleasure to have you immigration attorney and such a strong advocate I really really do

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admire you I mean I think you have a lot of courage I appreciate that I do as well and I really um thank you I

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feel honored that I’m you know I think you said it was episode three yes so I feel like super honored like one of

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the first ones absolutely thank you so much I’d love to come back

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on you know next season or the season after that and give us an update yeah I’ll give you an update um

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this is awesome great i might steal your idea i think that's super cool i'm like very jealous that you're doing this and

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i'm like i want to do this this is great we're trying something new something different and also thank you

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thank you so much hopefully everyone loves it i mean it kind of segues into my into my goodbye I wanted to i'm told

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to you know I’m told what to say but they get mad at me because I come off my cards all the time

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but I do want to thank you and I want to thank the audience so much for coming back and looking at our you know and being part of the Campbell corner if you

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missed any of our prior our last one also had Cindy luna actress and uh an assistant producer and

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director from Hollywood uh we hope you catch today's we also have future podcasts coming in we welcome you to

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Garcia as our next guest so stay tuned everybody and thank you so much for joining us welcome thank you for having

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me it's a pleasure thank you bye everybody bye