Episode #71 The Secret Science Behind Topical Regenerative Medicine You Need to Know

Unlock the future of regenerative health with Dr. Tommy Rhee, a pioneer transforming tissue healing through topical stem cell technology. In this episode, discover how his groundbreaking product—introduced in 2024—can accelerate injury recovery, reduce inflammation, and restore tissue vitality without invasive procedures. Whether you're an athlete, a clinician, or someone eager to defy aging, this conversation reveals the science and story behind a simple, effective solution poised to revolutionize longevity and sports medicine. Dr. Rhee’s journey from elite sports chiropractor to regenerative innovator embodies the relentless pursuit of optimal healing. He shares rare insights into how cell-free signaling, microRNA, and innovative delivery systems like lipid nanoparticles are changing the way we treat injuries—from tendon tears to osteoarthritis. You'll discover why topical applications could soon replace injections as the gold standard, offering faster recovery with less downtime—a game changer for active lifestyles and aging populations alike. We break down:

• The science of extracellular vesicles (EVs) and how they activate your body’s own repair mechanisms

• The development and unique advantages of Dr. Rhee’s patented topical formula

• Practical protocols for treating everything from sports injuries to degenerative joint disease

• The future of regenerative medicine: from systemic effects to personalized wellness

• How this technology can extend athletic careers and improve quality of life, no matter your age

Why does this matter? Because understanding and harnessing your body’s innate healing capacity unlocks new possibilities—delaying surgery, reducing dependence on pharmaceuticals, and enhancing longevity. Ignoring these advances may mean missing out on a faster, safer path to health. Perfect for clinicians seeking innovative tools, active individuals eager to optimize recovery, and anyone interested in longevity breakthroughs, this episode delivers tangible science wrapped in real-world application. Stay ahead of the curve—hit play to explore how simple topical therapy can make a profound difference in health and sports performance. Guest Credibility:

 Dr. Tommy Rhee is a highly experienced chiropractor and founder of Regen, specializing in regenerative wellness and soft tissue innovation. His work with professional athletes and ongoing research into cell signaling places him at the forefront of this exciting field.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:05

We are live once again. This is Dr. Dokel. This is the Second Opinion Sports Medicine Podcast. I'm with my colleague. I'm Dr. Glass. And today we have a special guest here, Dr. Tommy Ree. He's also a chiropractor and uh founder of Regen. We're gonna talk everything uh about his product and uh his education and everything else. But first and foremost, welcome Dr. Ree. Welcome to Second Opinion Sports Medicine Podcast. It's a pleasure to have you.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Man, thank you very much for this opportunity and talking to you and uh your listeners.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Now you're in Florida, correct? Yep, here in Florida. Yeah, how are things out there for you? I mean, I'm I'm I'm Floridian, so I love it here. I love the humidity, I love the stickiness, I love all what it brings in the Florida world. Gators and everything. Gators, Florida man, you know, all those stereotypes, it's all true. They're all here in Florida.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just had a patient from Florida, just my last patient of the day, and she was saying uh just she's like, I will never go back because of XYZ. She was talking about frozen iguanas falling out of trees, and she was cracking me up.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

So we got it all here.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yeah. And Dustin, you were in Florida just a couple, like last week, I think, with your daughter, correct? Is that what we were uh talking about? That's where your daughter's tournament was?

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Yeah, last uh two weeks ago, so we were there for the big uh Clearwater invitational um top c uh top softball teams in the country for uh the juniors and seniors trying to get recruited. So colleges from all over kind of come there and it's a big deal. So I'm glad I kind of didn't know about the bad things about Florida, like the fall of frozen iguanas. It was my first time, so but uh we were trying to look for those gators. Um every little waterway or whatnot. Me and my daughter were trying to find a gator. But then we we went to Clearwater Beach and uh but then we started to wonder if there was alligators in the uh uh in the ocean or not. But um what are there saltwater? We've heard of saltwater crocodiles, but you know what's believe it or not, there are some saltwater crocodiles, but they're a little further south.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

But we've heard them. I mean you see videos out there, you know. There's a lot of Florida videos out there, and there's crocodiles swimming along with when you're uh on the beach uh suntaning.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Yeah, yeah, no. So we had a great time. It was our first experience and it was a good one. So like uh like I said, I wish we would have known you beforehand, I would have come and visited. Oh man. Next time, next year. Next year.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

Yeah. First of many trips, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah. Um well just a little background on you, Dr. Ree. I know that you um graduated chiropractic school, was it 2006, is that correct? Yep, 2006, back at uh and you went to school um in Florida, is that I assume I didn't research what what school you went to.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

No, I went to school in uh Los Angeles at uh it was there, it was Cleveland Chiropractic in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_02 3:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I took an exam there a couple times, yeah. And then I read that you were Pardon me?

SPEAKER_01 3:09

No, I was just gonna say my my my mentor who I did my uh actually my first practice, he graduated from there. I'm wondering, um well you gr and uh Dr. Sarens, you wouldn't have known him, he um I don't Dr. Philip Sarens, yeah. I just thought I'd throw it out there, you never know a small, small world it could have been, but different timeline maybe, huh?

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Yeah, yeah. Well, Dr. Ree was uh with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for gosh four seasons or three seasons, 2015 to 2018, um, as a sports chiropractor like you and I, Dustin. And uh the difference with Dr. Ree that I think is super unique and one of the reasons that I'm glad your team reached out is because he's a pioneer in regenerative wellness. And with the athletes that we treat and the uh you know high uh I don't want to say high profile, but high achieving patients that we treat, staying healthy full-time is a full-time job, you know, it it keeps us busy. And so I was very interested in the path that you got down, Dr. Ree, into getting into regenerative wellness. I just feel like it's uh everything is changing so quickly, and um I I do want to get into that, but Dr. Dustin did uh bring up an important point of uh you know just talking about why you became a chiropractor and what you know if you could give us a little background on yourself and just your path from you know youth to deciding to go into this profession, because I think not everyone is born and decides I want to become a chiropractor. There's usually a reason, and so I'm curious as to what brought you into this profession.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Well, I mean that's a that's a big question we all as chiropractors ask, right? So the biggest thing that I like to network in my thought process is the beginning, right? So my dad, surgeon, my uncles, everybody's there's a medical side of everything, right? So I grew up in that world of seeing that, seeing my dad, you know, see patients and being around that environment. But at the same time, I'm athletic, so I played sports, and I knew that sports is my thing. I love sports, I love that, you know, that pushing and achieving and winning and competing, and and then it started blending well together, you know, just the sports and the doctor thing, right? So as I'm going further into my, you know, when you go into high school and you see that type of leather of competition, and you keep going a little further, and then you start thinking about alright, uh, am I gonna play, you know, at a high level of college or professional, and I'm only 5'8, so I'm thinking like there's there's that likelihood of me going to pros is very slim, right? Or none. So I know that I still want to be in that environment and I knew sports and then doctor, it's gonna mix together, right? So then that's so, but at the same time, you know, I'm going through my my growth, and uh, I remember my dad never giving me any medication and didn't believe in doing anything that's very invasive, you know. My my dad's a surgeon, but he didn't, you know, when I was sick, he there was no like here's a anti-histamine, here's a something, here just he just said, hang in there, drink some water, and come out when you feel better. So he knew the body's ability to heal. So that started to get that trend in my head, like, well, you know, why doesn't he, the man of medicine, give me this type of pharmaceutical world? So as you go from you know the collegiate world and all that stuff, and you go a little bit in advanced uh school, you start thinking, well, do I want to follow that path of like medicine or do I want to think about an alternative route, you know? Then you start thinking about what athletes do. It's all about you know the prehab, the before, it's preventing the injuries, performance. Then you start thinking about alright, they like that kind of world of doing that that non-invasive prehab, pre-exercise, and know how your body functions, biomechanics. And then you start thinking about, you know, well, what profession is that? And then you start thinking, well, you know, physical therapy, you know, that's that's sort of what we would like to do, but the problem is it's overseen by the medical side of it. So you can't have that much control with your like your patient or athlete. Then you go to the medical side, well, the medical side is classically, you know, injections, pain meds, and all that kind of like that masking world. So then you start looking at what's the best out there, and you look at these athletes and what they have for a team, and there's always a chiropractor involved with it. So then you start thinking, alright, well, why is a chiropractor involved with these top athletes? It's because of the biomechanics and being that prehab role, that preventative side of it. And then you start thinking, alright, that's the world that I want to be in. I want to be with that type of collegiate or professional athlete. And that's where I just vented into that world, just into that chiropractic side, and knowing that I knew that I wasn't going family, I was going to go sports. And, you know, once I got into school in Los Angeles, Cleveland, um, I was so fortunate that I'm, you know, so I'm ART certified, I'm taking classes in school. So I'm taking classes and I'm in Los Angeles, and I have a class or a seminar up in San Francisco. And I'm flying back from that seminar, you know, and lo and behold, who's sitting next to me is a strength coach from UCLA. So he sees me just talking about, you know, s school, ART, and he knows ART, so the next thing you know, he's like, hey, why don't you come down here and see some of my athletes? And that's how it all opened up. And that's, I mean, you know, how they say luck and fortunate and being in the right place at the right time, and that's how it all started there. So I knew there was there's a reason why for me to do all this stuff. So I enjoy this thing. It's a challenge, and it's you know, for all you students out there or some people that are thinking about chiropractic, it's like a mystery. If you like mysteries and you want to solve something nobody else can solve in this in the medical side of it, it's that world. You know, if you like that show house, if you like that kind of like that that that mystery that that that you got all the basic knowledge of anatomy and physiology and biomechanics, and then something presents to you with these questions like, hey, I've got a pain that when I throw, when I run, when I do this, then you take all that knowledge and then you kind of derive what you think it is, and do your little thing called differential diagnosis, and then go to your diagnosis, and then you go through your therapy and see if it really is true. So it's it's that kind of fun world for me. So I really enjoy that. So I hope I answer that question.

SPEAKER_02 9:30

No, that's spot on. I think that's very parallel to Dustin and I. I'll let you speak on it, Dustin. But it sounded all very familiar to me, too, and it uh yeah. I kind of wish you went to school with us. We'd all been study partners, it sounds like. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Yeah, sounds very similar, parallel uh lives. Um, everything you said really resonated with uh me, and I know it did with Coach or with P. And um so uh yeah, um we're both big into soft tissue, both big into the differential diagnosis, and um I think we pride ourselves in the differential diagnosis. When you said the show house, I I refer to that all the time. I always tell my patients there's an answer for this going on. It's not some mystery, we just have to figure it out. And there's there's gonna be, and if it's not me, it's gonna I'm I have a network of people that I can talk to and collaborate with that we can figure it out. So I love that you use that because uh me and P talk about that all the time. Is uh yeah, it is a it's it's a mystery, but it's uh it's a solvable mystery because there's always an answer. The body's amazing, you just gotta listen to the hints that it gives you and uh figure it out. So so I I love that you pointed that out. And um uh yeah, um I I want to talk to you more offline. I I know we got a lot more familiar familiar stories and uh networking uh with people, but we got it we got a lot to talk about with what you got going on. So what about you, P?

SPEAKER_02 10:55

What yeah, you know, as far as the career path, it was kind of the same. Um if uh I wasn't gonna be a high-level elite athlete, then I wanted to assist uh those high-level elite athletes to be their best and be their healthiest. And I mean, if I had the choice between a coin flip of an NFL quarterback or an NFL QB doc, I'd take the NFL QB. But um, you know, graduating not at six feet and not 200 pounds, I was like, well, you know, luckily I hit a little gross spurt in college, but it was clear at that point in time that I better the direct path was to be able to learn as much as I can to assist with the prehab, the injury rehab, and just I think if you're following something that you're passionate about, you're gonna have a tendency to be successful, and that's something that Dustin and I did when we were in school together, and it sounds like you kind of followed your passion as well.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Oh, you know, yeah, it's kind of cool all that all the all the similarities we have when it comes to like you know looking at that athlete, because it's almost like that common thread of like being that extra. I always tell patients, you know, if you really want a good doctor with any type of like, you know, because us chiropractors, we're biomechanics, right? We're we we look at the actual gait and analysis of joints and stuff. So when I talk to my patients that are active in some aspect, right, when you go to like, you know, not knocking them down, but when you go to like a general chiropractor, they're great at the spine and you know, and maybe some innervations and all that stuff, but when you talk to an athlete that's talking about like I have an extremity issue that may be linked to my spine, now you're opening up the complexity. It's a huge, it's a game now. Now it goes, oh, this is fun now. So it's about you know origin assertion, it's your anatomy, it's nerve innovation, biomechanics. And now, God forbid, if you had a surgical something, right? Like an implant or a reconstruction, now the ant anatomy book is thrown out the door, like, hey, forget it now. Let's look at your actual, you know, pathological report, your path report, and find out what has been done in your surgery, and then you just derive from that aspect where's your new insertion, where's your new origin, what is a new anatomy part here. So it's kind of fun when it, you know, opening up. So I like those complex cases.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

Yeah, I think you're talking the way you're talking too is kind of along our lines too. Uh, you know, doc he doc P he he taught um anatomy and physiology in college, and and then I'm an ART elite and master provider. I saw that you're a master. I um I'm an elite provider, I'm not a master provider. I took one of the first classes. There was only five of us in that master's class when he first started it with Leahy. So, and I was one of the first um uh few hundred elite providers. So the only reason I'm bringing that up is because the way you're talking about origin insertion and biomechanics, that does differentiate all three of us from the majority of Kairos out there, and that I think that's what makes us unique, that we can actually picture that origin insertion, that movement pattern, and actually it's more tangible to us than, like you said, a general not to knock them, like you said, general chiropractic that's just looking at listings and just trying to move a bone where we're actually trying to one move the bone but then restore that motion so it can continue to perform and function well, not just temporary. So um I you know I do think for listeners out there it does really help to be able to have a good grasp of the anatomy, physiology, the and the biomechanics of things, not just moving bones.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

Yeah, it adds a a layer of, like you said, Dr. Complexity to the treatments if we're looking at more than just pelvis and spine and neck, and that's it, versus today I had somebody come in who's a rower, and so hip flexor issue, VMO issue, right shoulder issue, all right-sided. And so I was just you know simply explaining, like, hey, we are right side dominant, it's up and down the chain, and so there's a whole conversation to be had about that, which I know you guys understand, and it it is fun, you know, it is fun to enact change, to figure out the the puzzle, and then sometimes it's immediate feedback. And what I was saying to somebody on the sidelines the other day is I love it to be, you know, a part of a game I love for sure, but you know what else I love is the ability to see that improvement in action, right? So somebody has something going on, you work on it, you see them be able to perform like they're happy, I'm happy, and it's not like uh, hey, do this exercise for eight weeks and come back and hopefully you can touch your toes. You know, it's it's a different type of a vibe. And I'm curious, Dr. Ree, how how did you how did you well eventually I want to ask you how you got involved with the Bucks, but going back a little bit, that decision to become a chiropractor, was that pretty clear in your mind, like in high school, or was that like more of a college-based thing, like it was for me comparing med school and PT school? Like, where did that happen and what was the okay, this is definitely what I'm doing? It's a big decision, right? Years of time, hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's not something to be taken lightly, and so I can tell you're passionate about what you do. Uh, I'm just curious what was the the flip of the switch for you?

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Um, so I have a little uh story in the middle that I didn't include from college, and my uh girlfriend, now my ex-wife, the mother of my kids, uh, and I'm playing college football, and then uh I get her pregnant, so I had to put everything on hold and you know, be the good guy, and then get a real job. So uh I went to go work, you know, I went part-time school to Pepper Dime, and then um, you know, worked at a bank. So uh uh after, you know, like a normal like lifestyle of evolving with a relationship, it goes through you know marriage and then divorce, so here I am, and did a little soul searching, and that's where I decided look, I need to be that person that I remember as a child. And I went back to school at age 35. I said, you know, it's time to hammer down. And let me tell you, that first couple weeks was a shock. It was like, whoa, 35 years old out of school that long. I'm sitting there, and you know, I'm in so Cleveland like right by Koreatown, if you guys know LA, right? It's in the heart of all that thickness, right? So I had to figure out, you know, I need to study all night long, and there's only a certain amount of place where you can go. And the one place that was uh open 24 hours that I feel safe was the Kaiser Hospital cafeteria. So I would park, go in there, and I would study. And then I said, look, at 35 you're mature, so you know you're not gonna quit. You're gonna say, This is the one and done, or whatever, you know. So I just hammered down and put my head down and says, I gotta do this thing. So that's my that's my movement into the chiropractic side.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

That's a great story. I love it. I got I got one other question to piggyback on that, because I was recalling when you mentioned that first kind of couple weeks and recalling, you know, the emotions of it's hard enough, but you know, I can't even imagine kind of second career type thing, or you know, not right out of college joining. Um, but I remember some of the talks we always had, and most people so I just want to ask, did you or anybody in your family have any kind of significant injuries growing up that kind of led you to um chiropractic as well? Or um, you know, it seems like um a lot of people have some kind of story about the injuries or what sports that you played. You mentioned sports, you mentioned football. Is that what you played in high school and growing up?

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Uh-huh. Um yeah, football. So here's the funny thing. I there was no major injuries when I was playing sports. I was I must have really thick bones and just I don't know, lucky. You know how some people just get lucky in their little world of sports.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

So I guess to interrupt, were were you running back?

SPEAKER_00 19:00

No, no, I so I was uh fullback, strong safety, and uh also I played guard too, you know, offensive line. So I was just just one of those guys that loves game, you know. Yeah, yeah. So then um as uh one thing I remember was that uh playing sports and you know not being injured, but you know, you do the stretching, you do all that stuff, just the basic, you know. I now I'm old, so I'm I'm my high school, I graduated in 86. So back then, you know, it was a form of luxury to have water, and uh there's like you know, there's no such thing as really stretching out, warming up. You kind of sit there, you kind of fake it and you just go at it. So things have evolved so much, and I'm sitting there goes, wow, this is exactly the kind of evolution that I'm seeing that has to be like you know, implemented to these future uh athletes there. So it's kind of interesting seeing back then where coach would punish you by no water for the all practice, and like whoa, now looking at it now, like uh not how to jail for that.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah, well that's what I was kind of wondering, because uh leading into you know uh working with the Bucks and working with UCLA, just a lot of times it helps having some kind of experience as an athlete. And so I was just curious if you had that, and and sometimes being able to relate to injuries and whatnot, it does help, but it doesn't have to be you know unnecessary. So I was just curious on that.

SPEAKER_00 20:18

So that's another thing about exactly what you just pointed out. Uh the doctor. You've came across some type of pattern in your past that that makes you go into that world because you have that ailment. So if you know, when you think about like uh an ortho person, you know, they probably were sports and stuff. You go to uh I don't know about like a gynecologist, but uh that that might be a bad example right there. But you know, the specialty kind of leads you into that. So you you kind of identify the patient's pain and you can relate to them and you understand how that goes.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Yeah, yeah. I think P was gonna start asking about well, go ahead, P. I'm not gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yeah, yeah, I was uh we both kind of opened our mouth at the same time. I saw you, so I paused. Yeah, well, from 2006 to 2015 when you started working with the Bucks Doc, that's a significant amount of time, and I know that when I graduated in say 2004, 2005, I didn't start practicing full time until 2009 basically. And so I did some other things in that gap time. Um and in 2010 I became involved with uh the LH, well, then the San Diego Chargers, and so I remember sitting with Dustin in one of our classes like in 2000 or 2001, talking about hey, this is what we want to do once we graduate. So we had that vision, but you know, it took me from 2005 to 2010 to actually finally get my hands on my first NFL player, and there was a lot of stuff in between there, you know. And I'm curious for you from 2006 to 2007. 15. I'm sure being an ex-football player, wanting to go into chiropractic, wanting to be in this arena that's a little bit it's kind of a tough nut to crack to be able to get the trust of people or have people refer you. So I know you met the guy on uh the plane who worked for UCLA as strength and conditioning coach, which by the way, you know, we don't really believe in coincidences. I do think sometimes I've been in a fortuitous place or things have worked out or I said the right thing or somebody blessed me with speaking my name in a room that I wasn't in. But, you know, I think your intention was to do this, you know, and so I think that was um maybe not a coincidence, but what was your journey from chiropractic school to the time with the Bucks? What did that look like for you?

SPEAKER_00 22:48

You know, so when I was with UCLA and these collegiate athletes are going, you know, I mean, you're talking about McDonald's all-Americans, and they're going into, you know, depending on what sport, you know, if it's like track and field, they go through that process to get to the NCs, you know, national championships, and then as an individual like event, and then they go into Olympic quads and stuff. So these then these kids that are in college, they graduate and they go into the pro arena. Well, that goes along with football, basketball. And then you start, you know, as they go into the pro world, then they're calling you up, says, Can you come out here? Can you can you look at this? Can you look at that, right? 'Cause they always depend on their fundamentals of college and then what helped them with a similar injury. So if they don't think their team is doing a good job, they'll call me and then it kind of led me to go out in that world, expanding out. So when I when I was at UCLA, you know, working with all these sports, and then from there, you know, I want to take this California, this new therapy that I'm just getting myself involved with with soft tissue, ART, hyperbaric chamber, you know, laser, all this stuff that's coming up right about 2006-07. And then with that time was also regenerative medicine. Now back then it was called prototherapy, if you remember that stuff, right? Remember injecting the sugar water into a joint, and your body thinks it's an antigen and creates this antibody type of scar tissue and heals the tissue. Well, people were driving from uh LA in that kind of Olympic village area where they trained by UCLA, and they would go down to um Mexico, Tijuana, to get these injections. Just like how it is right now for stem cell. Well, the doctor that's doing the prototherapy, they weren't using that type of material, they were using like femaldehyde. They were getting very advanced and very, very strong in their injections. So, you know, as you know, on the state side, it was just basically the sugar water, right? Dext structs, right?

SPEAKER_02 24:48

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

So then we started, you know, then you as you open up a practice, you start doing a little bit of this and that. So then um I went and went back to Tampa. I'm originally from Tampa, so I took that California idea and I brought it to Tampa. So in Tampa, you know, there's there's Saddlebrook, which is a tennis community, and I was attached to a tennis pro. Tennis pro wanted me to, you know, do every factor of from the chiropractic, prehab, then it goes to fitness, then it goes to other things. So then you uh then all of a sudden like you just just like you're telling me that things just network to other places they hear about you, then I'm attached to WWE because that's used to be a training center here in Tampa. So then you're attached to these guys. So now I'm with like you know, like like athletes like John Cena and these other guys out here, so I'm their guy and they just want the ART or they have a particular injury and we just discuss how to approach how to get them going. Because WWE athletes, there's no like off season, it's gold. You know, if it's those things like raw and smackdown, and then they just go travel and go. Year round. Yeah. Year round. There's no break time. So then that then all of a sudden it moves into um where I was attached to Walter Dix. Now, if you remember Walter Dix, he was the uh 100-200 uh silver medalist in the uh world championship in 2011. But before that, he was coming from UC um, he was coming from FSU, and he was prone to hamstring injuries, and he needed to find a good physio or chiral like me that understood about that soft tissue of the hamstring. So training here in Tampa, 2010, we saw his biomechanics, we adjusted with the coach, and then 2011 he started dancing. So then we prevented him to have you know no injuries for the hamstring, and he proved and got the silver medal. And then he we left our team and he went to Los Angeles, and then again his hamstring pain and issue came up, and that's why he couldn't qualify. So then it came to the Buccaneers and they called me, and you know, they just want to be a chiropractor. So when you're a chiropractor, you know, it's like you know, then they find out, you know, that you know, you're soft tissue, you do this, so then you're getting more difficult kind of like rehab because in a in a football facility, there's you know, the athletic trainers, there's the orthopedics oversee them, all that stuff. But as uh hands-on, it's the actual like the athletic trainers and maybe a physical therapist. But there's so many of those guys compared to the athletes. So they would have like the difficulty cases sent to me, and I would take care of those difficulties. Like we had some unique cases, like a like a grade three strain in their hamstring muscle, and then I would take them, and then I would get them better because it's it's it's I got more modalities than they would have, including the hyperbraic chamber. So then that's with the Bucks, and then it moves on to uh you know, at 2018, it was at a point where you know I'm not that young guy. I I I don't want to feel that sports is like my my my world and I want to evolve. So I'm at that point where I feel that I have to relate it to my body, and I'm getting to that age where I'm I'm pushing 50 years old and I see how my body's reacting to all this physical activity, and now I'm thinking about what typically other 50 year olds, we think about that elongation, that that aging process, and how do we move into that realm of being active 70, 80, and being healthy? So now I'm pushing myself into this wellness side of it, where now I take everybody and I treat them like just like an athlete, but you have to be physical. It's all about being physical, it's about just being active, circulation and all that, and then utilizing the modalities that we have out there, and then figuring out is there a shortcut, a cheat code, and all that stuff. So that's how this whole world of regenerative medicine, stem cell therapy, as I see it evolve, and then the difficulty of with stem cell or regenerative medicine is the cost, the cost, and you know who does it, right? Medical doctors, nurse practitioners, and it's very invasive. And you know, there's a lot of factors in there too. So you think about what athletes do this for, they do it to recover. So the tough thing with athletes, especially NFL players, they can't do it during the season because there's a downtime. And then you know, you miss a week of a game, that's money, right? And then you know how it is when you work with athletes in season, they don't want to report an injury because that's a negotiation tool when they go in the contract. Well, you're prone to ankle, knee, something, right? So they want to be quiet as possible. It's kind of like a catch 22, you know, I'm injured, but I can't say nothing about it. So that's why guys like us always get those athletes that come out of the out of the facility and then see you and goes, I don't want you to say anything, but my issue is this, right? Yeah, so but stem cell therapy is a classic thing they do off season. So then I started thinking, well, what do they have and why is stem cell not utilized during the season? Then you see all the problems, which is like the recovery time, they miss games, they don't want to miss games. So I'm looking for another vehicle to deliver those type of information to regenerate tissue, and that's where topical came up topical transdermal, and that's how this whole thing evolved. This is this is started like back in 2001, 2002, during COVID, how you know how these guys are not utilizing on-season rehab with you know stem cell therapy or regenerative medicine, and that's where this all started off. So, topical is the latest thing. Now, the difficulty with topical is that you've got to figure out how do you get that that stratumcordium, you know, that that thick skin we have, right? The three-layer skin too. How do we get these like these signal molecules, right? They call them like EVs, extracellular vesicles. How do you get them through the skin? So then you need an agent, and then you gotta find that agent that does that type of transderma permeability. So, and that's DMSO. DML DMSO is utilized right now by FDA, so that's the carrier. Now, what you want to do is find out where you can get this, you know, these stem cells, and then you know, it's the same place where you get it from the injection, the umbilical core are called Wharton's jelly. Wharton's Jelly has that mesocoma stem cells. Now, how do you make it longer and live the longer outside of a uh like a secure site because they die off real quick? Well, then you think about encapsulating with the lipid nanoparticle. So you have to do some type of cholesterol like that. And then that's how you get along a shelf life. So when you have those things and you start, you know, trying to solve the puzzles, and now it's like, okay, let's go with this thing. So my first test subject, uh, if you don't mind telling uh if I if I can just keep going.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

No, please, this is so interesting.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Yeah, so my first test subject was a quarterback. Now he was in his last year con NFL guy, last year contract, and he was going into camp. And when they go into camp, you know, you don't want to report anything. You want to stay, you know, number one, you don't want to drip down a QB2 or something like that. So he had the t the classic, you know, the Achilles tendon that's popped up in bulbous and it's about the rupture, right? So he's worried about that. He's done the injection and it's not helping out. So now he's concerned. So we talk about it, and then I have that product regen, and I'm thinking like, well, it's not really in public source, but here, go for it, right? So he helped me kind of he helped me kind of fine-tune some of the um some of the the feedback from the some of the the the sensation of thermogenic to the cooling with the ingredients, and we kind of tuned it up. And throughout the season, we just had a communication, we worked together. But the neat thing about that whole season is that he was injury free, he was he was able to play, and the best thing about it, it was not a like a negotiation piece in this contract. So, I mean, right, we still have a communication. I wish I could tell you who it is, but it's like you know, those guys like, hey, you know, him and his agent, you know, it's kind of you know how that goes with these guys, so but uh yeah, so that's that's how this whole thing kind of worked up from the actual like from the sports band, like like you said, like it's like I was meant to be in this position because just seeing what these athletes are saying. So then once I got this quarterback to feeling better and he's able to continue on playing and his Achilles is healing, now it's like, well, let me bring it down a couple of notches of civilian weekend words and just osteoarthritis and repetitive injuries, those things. And then when you learn about the mechanism and our body and our physiology of why we don't heal fast and takes longer, then you understand it's all about our adult stem cells, our regenerative communities that we don't have that good proper growth, right? So then you just have to have that good signal. The signal is what we need, and that signal is in the form of these EVs, extracellular vesicles come cell-free biologicals, right? And we need to get that in our body to signal because we won't have that in our body anymore. So that's a whole cascade of a couple good information there. So I apologize to go too deep in that.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

No, I think it's interesting. I'm sure Dustin, you find the same. It um, you know, the first question that jumps off my head is it makes so much sense to make it topical and not have it be, you know, something that's so invasive. And like you said, in season for athletes, the recovery time is weeks and sometimes longer. And so I guess my question is, how come somebody didn't come up with that sooner? Was it a very, very complicated process for you, or was it you had the idea and you went to people and it was I don't want to say easy, but is it what was that process like? That must have been so such a learning experience.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

I I I don't really know why nobody I I just thought about it and I did my research, and you know that's why we have a patent pending right now, because it's like nobody's ever thought of this thing. I'm like thinking like nobody's ever looked at this. So I'm asking the same what you're asking is when I sat there because I was researching for something for my athletes. Let me find a topical stem cell because stem cell was is was out there, right? So everybody's doing injections. So I'm looking around and there's not really one out there saying, There's no patent on this thing, there's no other company doing now. There are there are companies doing topical, but it's for skincare. Now, when they do a skincare, it doesn't go through the dermis, it just stays on that topical side because they're trying to, you know, make that youthful skin. They don't care about the deep tissue, the tendons, the ligaments. So with that, I'm thinking like, well, there's stuff out there, you know, but it's not really in the capacity for our musculoskeletal world. So I'm thinking like, well, the only thing is missing is this vehicle that pulls it through the skin. And that's where you know you start deducting what's out there right now. And you know, DMSO is utilized right now by the FDA for its proper use. So it's it's it's a classification. So we just take in that and then we just kind of piggyback off the idea, and now we use it for this regen.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Yeah, I love it. I love it. So my background is in biochemistry and nutrition, and um about before COVID, I I formulated a product, um, and so you just mentioned something about there's not much out there. So I uh I was looking at stem cells and all kinds of stuff as well, and so I'm interested in a lot of this, and we could talk offline too and geek out on a bunch of this stuff, but um um at the time there wasn't anything like you're saying, and um, so what I found was, and I so I got your book and I read um most of it, and so I really love it. It's a good read. If um for those out there, we'll talk about the book in a little bit. But it you did a real well, I'm not gonna say you did a really good job, you know you did a good job, but for for a clinician or a layman reading it, it's a it's a good read. Um so I really appreciate it. We'll talk more about the book, but um you at one point, so let me come full circle on rambling, but uh so what I used was plant-based stem cells at the time because there wasn't anything else available. Like you said, the cosmetic is what I found in my research, was these cosmetic delivery systems, and like you said, it didn't penetrate deep enough. So I did find a company that could put it in a liposomal delivery. So I was using a liposomal delivery to get it deeper, and I put I put other ingredients in it, and um but the research is back then, and this was uh be way before COVID, was not great at all, even on plant stem cells, and how it could actually help human, you know, and and why it helps, but you know, because it's for plant stem cells, you know. But anyways, in the cosmetic world they were showing that basically for the anti-inflammatory properties and the antioxidant properties, and so that's what I said, well, this is the best I can do right now, not necessarily on the regeneration side, but I can help reduce the inflammation and I can help prevent some tissues. And anyways, and some other ingredients I put in actually helped with human growth hormones and stuff. So so it was a great pro anyways. My point is that I I love in the book how you um talked about the telemeters and you know and the and the different enzymes and stuff and the examples of of how stem cells actually work. My question is um is on the the delivery system, not the delivery system, but these um non-cell particles, or I forget how you mentioned it. I I wrote it down. Exocellian? Yeah, uh no, the um oh man. Um well I'm gonna butcher it and I don't want to do that, but basically it's like a non-cell. What's your wording?

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Uh it's right in your yeah, it's easy sometimes you know the phrasing is called um it's called cell-free, you know. Cell-free.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

But there's also how does that work? Uh when I think of cell-free, like, so that's not not it's void of the stem cell. Is that so and then these EVs, so that's where I was confused.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

So let me let me tell you the whole okay, so here's stem cell in its in its in its uh definition, right? We just think about like an ability to regenerate in some capacity either through mitosis or some kind of just basically just regenerated tissue, right? So stem cell has that blueprint that we need. Now, here's the thing. So when you hear about stem cells, donor size, I've got 10 million cells, and you think about the cell itself. So cell consists of this membrane and the stuff inside of it, and that includes the nucleus, and then it has its own DNA, the chromosomes, right? Well, it has its own codons, right? ATCGs, right? So the problem with that is that there's no way that that stem cell has the same type of chromosome uh codes as what your tendons, ligaments have. There's no way it's gonna live what they call it like so they call it differentiate. They call it the cell would differentiate from the mesochoma stem cells into your existing tissue and it regenerates. There's no way it can do that. There, I mean you you tell me where you have a chromosome that has those millions of codes, it's gonna learn that that same sequence of codes. No way. So what it does is it takes these things called cell-free, right? These are signals from either microRNA or some protein, cytokines. There's something in there that's signaling to your existing tissue by the pathway called the old peracrine effect. So cell-to-cell communication. So in our body we have all that peracrine, endocrine system. We have the ability to have some type of communication in some capacity. But when you have the cell-to-cell communication, you're looking at the existing cell and then something to turn on, either it's something like interlugant 10 or right, transforming, you know, growth factor beta. Something that's gonna turn on that cell that says, do something. And that's what we are looking for. We're looking for the signals. That signal has no DNA. So the ability to have any tumor formation, there's none because there's no kind of coding to make that cell do something, in the sense of I'm gonna mitose into your tendon. It's not gonna do that, it's gonna go right to your next cell and says, Alright, turn on and do your job, and it turns on your existing tissue. So, going back one more step, so you look at your adult stem cells that we have in our body, our muscles, for instance, is a satellite cell. Our satellite cell has that ability to go through mitosis and then make its own type of you know, myosin, right? So tissue, right? So the thing is that there's some problem that we have when we go through mitosis, which is you know, they call senescence. So as you do the RNA, DNA replication, and then you start doing that cell division, well, you have a limit. You only have so many of those you can do in the lifetime of a cell, which is called the hay flick limit. So you only have 40 of those. So once you exceed that, the telomeres at the very ends of chromosome, they tell the whole chromosome stop doing this cell division mitosis, and it goes into a zombie state or senescence. So now it sits dormant, it can't do nothing. So with stem cell regenerative medicine and the EVs and those, you know, those cell-free information, you're taking things of like an information to say, hey, I need an enzyme to increase the telomeres of the chromosome so then I can go back to mitosis. That enzyme called telomerized. So we have that. Then you want to get a signal to say, hey, satellite cell, turn on. Here comes the cytokine, here comes a microRNA, here's something that informs the actual cell, go do your job. And that's why it's really important to figure out how to get those two things to your existing tissue to generate. So when you hear stem cell therapy, it's gonna turn into your cell. It's impossible. When you hear about 10 million, that has nothing to do with it. It's about the message, it's about the actual information from that stuff to get to your tissue and then turn it on. So another thing is that you want younger tissue, younger information and more vibrant to wake up. If you have your, you know, you know how we have a half-life, right? So, you know, 50-year-old information going to a 50-year-old cell, it works, but it's not gonna be as better than like a like an eight-month-old type of umbilical cord tissue that has that strong signal, and you get it to your existing tissue, it goes, whoo, that's a lot of information. So that's why it's really potent. But another thing is that going back to botanica and plants, there's a lot of good information out there, a lot of good information that really targets that particular adult stem cells that are that are out there and they're coming out. So I've got some bet you know, I like to do this uh uh little podcast about a couple months from now, and I'll give you some great information about that topic. Perfect.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Yeah, yeah. Of course, the follow-ups are always great too to hear progress and just you know, experiences from different more and more cases and stuff. Um real quick, to kind of go ahead, Justin. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 43:25

I just I wanted to follow up because you gave a lot of great um uh science-y type stuff, and I uh when I was reading, um, so and I not I'm not very good at any of this stem cell genetic stuff and the RNA and DNA and all that, so I love learning from you. Um I loved your one analogy with the me and Pete are always about the analogies, and you gave a great an analogy. Telomere's always kinda like I always had struggled l learning about them and the telomere race and and you he you talked about how like the the tip of the shoelace, like That was a great analogy. I loved it. So I understood and then the uh if it was gone the frame of the and then you lose all that. So that was very good. And then the the um what was it, the like the bicycle kit or the repair kit for the bicycle for the telema race. Anyways, awesome stuff or the tire kit, uh repair kit. But anyways, um when you're when they just so the mesochinal um cells um from the umbilical, I I love learning where those actually came from and how you describe that. So the EVs though, I'm I'm confused on how those are being distracted or where those are actually in the umbilical area or how those are actually found. Because I'm trying to picture what the the vesicles are or the vehicles.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

So just like anything else, it secretes, right? It it has a secretory system, right? It secretes the information out, right? So when we attain it, we attain that tissue, which is now pretty much in its it's it's like you know, pop-to-solstice, right? So it's it's it's dead, right? But then the information is there, the the actual EVs are what we're encasing with the lipid nanoparticles.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

So where are the because like I understand the warren's jelly where that look is located, uh-huh, but where is the EV?

SPEAKER_00 45:16

It's also yeah, it's along where that all that other extra tissues are. They're called ECM. It's all along that whole matrix.

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Okay, good. So, okay, perfect. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Yeah, super technical stuff. Um if I'm to I guess simplify it or distill it down, Dr. Re, the materials that you've included in this topical product has everything that you need to help tissue heal faster and help regenerate damaged tissue. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 45:57

Yeah, so exactly. So the thing you have to remember is that when we're 20 years old, we can regenerate a damaged tissue really fast, right? Because we have stem cells in our body, adult stem cells, right, in all kinds of forms. But as we age, those things go into those things called senescence or zombie state, we start slowing down. And then when we start slowing down, now the ability for us to regenerate is few because of those adult stem cells are gone into that zombie state. So if we can get every of every zombie state cell into a how would you say, like wake it up in a telerize and then the information, well, now you're going into a faster regenerating property of like healing faster.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

That makes sense, yeah. So somebody who's coming in, say, in their 50s, even if they're not a professional athlete who tends to have all the compliance of all the things that we ask, and also has the advantage of being younger so they have that quicker regeneration. Somebody who's maybe in their 40s or 50s, or I'm thinking of somebody maybe our parents' age, who you know, I have relatives that have had double knee replacements, and I wonder, you know, if we caught them back far enough if we could have maybe delayed that at least, if not prevented that by creating new tissue and healthier tissue. Is it as simple as that if I dumbed it down, not dumbed it down, but simplified it, distilled it down for somebody who comes in who's in their 50s with sore knees or an Achilles? Is it trust me on this, apply this for X amount of time and you're gonna feel a difference, you're gonna feel this youthfulness like when you used to sprain your ankle and it recovered in 10 days versus now it might be five weeks?

SPEAKER_00 47:37

No, it takes time. It takes time for the cells to regenerate. So inside Bregen and all of the Wharton's gelling material, there are other inflammation. So the first thing that when you start feeling it a pain reduction is not so much the tissue regenerate, it's the anti-inflammatory. Just like anything else, when we damage any type of like sprain ankle, the inflammation gives you the most pain. It's not the actual compromised tissue, right? So you have to decrease the inflammatory response, and that's what regen has. It has a you know the interlugin 10, that first thing that kind of inhibits the inflammatory, so it stops the inflammation, and that's why they say when you start applying regen, it goes, oh, I feel better. Well, it's not because of the actual regeneration community, it's more so about the actual anti-inflammatory.

SPEAKER_02 48:21

Gotcha. Yeah. I think the misnomer because I just had a a friend of mine who I also treat because he's super active and he had stem cells. He went to Texas and had uh lumbar spine and both shoulders.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Excuse me.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

And so with his shoulders, hey, hey guys, can you can you give me I'm sorry, can you give me one second, please?

SPEAKER_00 48:42

The clingy people are here. Let me let me just close the door, okay?

SPEAKER_02 48:45

No problem, no problem. Take your time and we'll talk amongst ourselves real quick. Um, Dustin, what I was gonna say uh to Dr. Ree, which I'll repeat when he comes back, is just don't you feel like there's a oh it's okay. It's okay. I share a space with uh a CrossFit in my office, so I was asking Dr. Glass, I'm like, do you hear the weights pounding as they're cleaning and jerking and throwing them down? He's like, No, it's the mic's not picking it up. So I was like, okay. And likewise, I didn't hear the cleaning in the background, so I wasn't being picked up by the mic. I'm sure it's a distraction for you.

SPEAKER_00 49:16

She was singing opera back there and goes, oh my gosh, this is good.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

No, you have good concentration skills, Doc. You were uh dialed in, you weren't distracted.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

She was singing Las Misery. I don't know what she was doing. Oh, you gotta be kidding me here. Come on here.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

That's so funny. Um I was gonna say was I feel like the uh the perception, even with my friend who had his shoulders and and lumbar spine, uh he had to take months off, right? So he wasn't lifting, he's like, Man, this is my like the time that I burned stressed and it's really killing me not to work out, etc. etc. So it took months and months. His shoulders felt better. He last time I saw him, he said it they feel like new. His lumbar spine for his disc gives you compression, it didn't really do too much. But I think even his perception was, oh, I got this injection, and now I have like a new anterior deltoid. Now I have new rotator cuff, like it's regenerating. Is that just misunderstood by everybody, or is that kind of purposefully you know, put out there so people can understand it in a way of oh, this is so effective because it's regenerating? Like, where do you think that comes from? Because I feel like 99% of people think it's regenerating tissue.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Well, on that, real quick, before you start, does and uh you popped up something in my head when you said that. Now, when somebody gets injected to stem cells in an area localized, does it um kind of go systemically and help other areas, or is it just localized?

SPEAKER_00 50:46

So, so I've taken classes on the actual the procedure and technique of the injectables, and it used to be you have to basically go into the damaged tissue. So you made a secondary injury site. So you had the primary where you actually complain about, and now you got the syringe. So now what they've discovered is that you can be approximating, and that's why I started thinking about topical, because you start seeing the procedure where they say, all right, you know, go if it's if the ligament, let's say the Achilles tendon, they would they want you to do from a from a disal the proximal injections along the tendon, and then you inject, and then there is this effect called the honing. There is a honing effect where it actually draws in those signals to the damaged tissue. So that's that's how they address it. So when I start thinking about wow, I if if I look at that distance, how far that injection or that needle is at that tissue, and you see some of these other things like these lateral epicondyl, and there's like you know, that that's like real short distance. I'm thinking, what about a transdermal agent? And then they start thinking about that. So, but going back to your deltoid issue, the the the the story about my deltoids regenerating, it does migrate to other tissue, it does that. But here's the thing it depends on what tissue needs that signal. There are signals that we have to like, you know, send out there, and then there's tissue that just receives it, no big deal. It's like I already have that signal. I'm okay, you know. I'm not in senescence or zombie state, but then as we age, we have many of those zombie state cells, and then that's the ones that really receive that information because all right, I got it, I understand. Let's go ahead and just mitosis, cell divide, make more tissue.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. Um I got two heavy-hitting questions that I think are probably pretty simple to answer or quick to answer, but I feel like customers or patients, this is what they're gonna want to know is how long does it take and and what does it cost?

SPEAKER_00 52:42

So now I'm a manufacturer, so I am looking for providers like you guys because this product is on a level where you can't go straight right to the consumer because of some of the ingredients in there. So it's for professional use only. So on the retail side, it's a thousand dollars. That's I mean it's it's costly, but you think about the procedure, the site, and then when we talk about the donor, it goes so how we obtain this tissue is through C-section delivery. And during that process, you know, as they're going into that world of getting ready for the delivery, there are some questions they may ask, and then they'll say, Would you like to uh bank your cord? And it goes, Yeah, we like to. Well, for a discount, you have to you know donate some of your tissue, and then goes, Okay, so then they get bedded with all the questions, go through the pathology, serology, make sure they clear all the pathologies, and then then we take that tissue. So that process in itself is is is it's got a cost, and then you got the actual lip and nanoparticle, and then it has this process, and then you just keep going on. So for the doctors, you know, for the dispensing, and then for the retail side, you know, it's a thousand dollars. So, as far as this time frame, how long it takes to do this procedure, it all depends on the severity of your injury. Grade one, you've got a better chance. So when you look at osteoarthritis of like the hip or the knee, and you do the old x-ray and you see the joint space loss, and you start seeing bone on bone and bone destruction, you're not gonna help that person. There's no way you can help that person. I mean, you've got to be honest with the patient. You you're you know, uh we all understand that we're in here for business, but you've got to be honest if you want your career to be longer than a week or two. You gotta you've got to be honest with people. So when I see joint space in there, you've got a shot. When you don't see that, there's no other option. You're you're gonna have to walk down that path of doing some type of replacement.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Yeah. No, that makes perfect sense, right? If there's no scaffolding to build upon, you know, if it's just bone on bone, there's no tissue there, that makes perfect sense. Um, but it it sounds like the uh recovery time for this is much shorter than if you did an injection on a depend on any site, right? Oh, it's toppable, it's multiple applications over a course of weeks, or is it just a couple applications? Like, how would you treat like a rotator cuff?

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Yeah, so can you go over a protocol? What would a so if a guy comes in with a rotator cuff issue, or he went to his ortho and the ortho said, You got a rotator cuff issue, this is what the MRI shows, you're not a candidate for surgery, you know, do some physical therapy, go to your Cairo, do some soft tissue, see what you can do. If it's no better, come back and see me. And then we're like, Oh, we got something that you should try. And we what would the protocol for something like that be for a uh 35 to 50 year old?

SPEAKER_00 55:28

Yeah. So regen has it's it consists of a kit. The kit, there is an alpha and omega, morning and evening, and that's applied every single day, 30 days straight, right, consecutively, right? So you want to utilize that whole bottle kit, and then that takes, in a sense, like no downtime. That's the most important thing. You're able to continue on because there's no there's no downtime from injections or secondary injury site. So a lot of active people that want to continue on. One of the biggest like patients that we we see that love this stuff, pickleball people. They love to stay active, love to keep going. So it's interesting because you know they're injured, you know, they got that shoulder injury, and then they're like, I st I got a tournament this week, I gotta play, goes, Well, you're not gonna do stem cell therapy because you're down a couple weeks. It goes, uh well, I want something. Then you offer them the regen, which is a you know, no downtime, 30-day application, and then the most important thing is that the first immediate feeling they have is that anti-inflammatory reduction, so then they go, Oh, I feel good, and then they continue on with the regeneration community.

SPEAKER_02 56:33

Right. On a side note, do you find pickleball athletes to be I I worked at a lifetime gym here in in Folsom in the Sacramento area, and pickleball is huge, you know, it's overtaking tennis. And I don't know why before I moved to Northern California, I thought pickleball athletes were like college kids, you know, early 20s, like just grad there are so many people my parents' age playing pickleball and just wrecking them their bodies, you know, like because they're not doing the things that we'd recommend them to do. Stretch, make sure they're doing a level of you know, weightlifting and preventative stuff. And so I just when you said that I was like, oh man, this is like every single person out of those probably could use some of this care.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

Yeah, pickleball is big in Florida. It it it's big. Um here's the funny thing, and in this world, it's the 40 plus. 40 plus is huge, you know? It's that uh it's that I want to be competitive, I don't want to go ahead and kill myself, so this is like this you know, I I like tennis, but yeah, a shorter distance around, I guess. I don't know, but yeah, it's very competitive here. I mean you're talking about we have indoor facilities, outdoor we have tournaments are like hundreds of people show up and same uniform. I mean it they don't play around with that stuff. So and the neat thing about that, believe it or not, that's our best clients, you know. And they go, Yeah, well I see you gotta better get back out there then, I guess, you know. So here you go.

SPEAKER_02 57:58

So yeah, active and a little bit older, and also maybe some disposable income. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh Dustin, can you get that mic just a little bit closer to you? Yes, sir. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's way better, way better.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

All right, I got a I got a quick question real quick on um the the product. Uh so it's been around since uh roughly 2021, you said, or 2020?

SPEAKER_00 58:28

No, no, I've been I've you know developing since 2021, but it finally went to um you know the selling market uh just last year, 2020.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Okay, perfect. Um, so I and I don't know how this all works. Um as far as testing and you get you know you know, especially working with the athletes we're working with and stuff, they want to know is it valid, does it work? Um and is is there has there been studies done um uh and to compare it to injections or not even if it's not for that, if it's um any type of studies like pre and post imaging or anything like that. Just uh just curious at this early stage of it.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yeah, so you know, self-funding, you're limited so much. So the clinical trials, I would love that, but y you know the cost of a clinical trial, hundreds of thousands dollars. Yeah. So the best shot I had was a pod study. So I took the old low back and I vetted everybody with low back pain, osteoarthritis, and I basically had 80 participants in this thing, and I had a pre and a post based on the VAS score. So they had a VAS you know before and after, and I had a 51% uh 51% reduction in pain, so great outcome on the pain side. So I knew that there was a great ability to move this to the next step. So then from there, um I would love to do more of the actual like the the case study, but I do have some doctors that gave me a pre and post x-rays, and one of the big ones I had was a uh cervical pre uh a spondy grade two, I think it's a I don't know if it's a retro or antro thesis, but it's a grade two, so it had big displacement, and then they do regen and they did shockwave, you know, to drive it in further in there. And after 30 days of doing regen and then uh another week of shock, they did a post-x ray, and then you see the grade two go to a grade one, so they had more stabilization of that ligament, you know. So that right there gave you the pre and the post, which is very strong in that uh instability of that joint.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

Yeah, that's cool. That's so important.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

Yeah, yeah. Another question from the chemistry side or the formulation side, um, and because I get this question with omega-3s all the time, there's certain products I'll recommend to patients, and um some physicians want to know how much is actually in it, right? And so, like a product like this with a proprietary blend, um, are you able to um like if a medical doctor wanted to know, well, how much of this the EV is going actually in, is it something that's being able to be measured? I know in the lab that you're measuring it, but in proprietary blends, it's so hard because it's different from time to time to put it on the label. So I'm just curious because there's always the naysayers like, well, how much do I know, especially with topicals I found, how much do I know that's actually going into me? Like, how do we how do I know? Is it just a cream with uh menthol in it? And I'm feeling that like CBD, we get this all the time, right? Now CBD they can actually you know put in the milligrams and all that because it's an oil, it's a little different. But anyways, you I think you understand my point.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Yeah, as far as counting those EVs, you know, we haven't done any of that counting. So what we do is we take what that basic one they call it, so when you do the injectable, it's one cc's, right? So when you when they they cryo delivered to your office and it's one cc's, so we take that same amount of there and we've taken that because it's excreted right, so it's it's gone through a secretary process. So then we just take those components and then we utilize that in the actual region. So it's the same amount. We that's why you always compare it, it's as well as the one injection CC. I love it. Okay, yeah, great.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:24

That makes perfect sense, yeah. So instead of a one-time injection, it's a yeah, yeah, you spread over 30 days. Perfect. That's exactly what I was gonna say. Yeah, that um that's so digestible, like literally and figuratively, you know, it's uh it's easy for people to understand and it that makes sense. And you know what I really love about it is somebody who like take my father, for instance, who's in his late 70s. For him, the instructions need to be simple, you know, like and he's already on other medications, and so the necessity for it not to conflict with something else he's taken or titrate something else down because there's a conflict, all those things are super important for me as a son, and for anyone else who's older on a bunch of medications, it's like this is just so easy, you know, that you can apply it morning, night. I mean, I just I feel like you should be really proud of yourself. I mean, I'm sure you are, but like this was such a uh, you know, to go from an idea to a tangible product that takes a lot. And to, you know, create I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was gonna say some to create something simple is one thing, but I I would almost say this is revolutionary, you know, in that its application and its benefits, like I really think it's a huge, huge thing. And I I don't know if I guess my question is have you reflected on where this is gonna go in five or ten years and and how proud of you are how proud are you of this project of yours, this baby that you've created?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

You know, uh going with the first question about where do I see it in five years, you're gonna see this as a pretty much a hallmark of any type of like care or home care. I mean, this is something that's easy applied. And it's really I always say that, you know, as us chiropractors, we're the ones that, you know, you have to start off with a diagnosis. And it's rare for like the the the guys like us that really understand about everything about the body and how to figure out in the muscoskeletal world that what do you have? Do you have a real tenant issue, or is it maybe a ligament, or is it a some type of nerve, or is it just basic biomechanics? And then you have to kind of figure things out and balance it on. But once you get that that diagnosis, now you have to ask yourself, now what do I do with this thing, right? Do I use laser? Do I use shock? Do I use hyperbaric chamber? Do I do ART? Now, the patient, they they're educated. I mean, you can see there's a whole bunch of information out there they can get, right? From AI to Google and all this stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:01

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:01

So I see this in five years is just a tool that we have to give to the patient, goes, this is something you can do on your own. And that's where it gets affected. Yeah, it's strong because now you're thinking about this is a could be a prehab situation where I'm prone to these these ankle sprains. I better start making that little ligament down there stronger, so I need to apply that on there and make that ligament stronger and thicker. Or could it be something like you know, you know, I feel down the line, it's gonna really look at the the elongation, that what that longevity, that that that whole systemic world that you're gonna see us getting older, and it has to go down to the biomechanics, it has not bummed the the actual the molecules, right? We have to go down to that level to see the actual the DNA, the telomeres. Those are the secrets that we're gonna evolve down the world. So five years, and then it's gonna be a topical application, a simple instead of Injectible, no more invasive. This is gonna be a world difference. You're gonna start seeing just like remember in smoothest Star Trek, and you see them do an operation with a little D D D and all of a sudden that was really healed. It's gonna be that kind of world.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Yeah. Yeah. It's an exciting time for sports medicine and longevity, and um, I often like scratch my head sometimes when I see influencers, real and uh quote unquote influencers online who are health experts or you know, longevity experts, and it's like as chiropractors, we've been talking about this stuff for I mean, I didn't get into the field till the year 2000, and people way before us were talking about these things that seem kind of common sense if you take health holistically and you just look at things a little bit differently than the Western medical model. And so sometimes I see people who are super famous, super popular, probably super rich, and it's like we were talking about that 20 years ago, just didn't put it on social media, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:57

And so I'm excited for it for you. Yeah, hey, do you remember the stories we heard back in chiropractic college about like you know, innate intelligence and then how we you know we have our own ability to hear us heal ourselves? And then people looked at us back. Yeah, they they oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, you're you're into that fancy stuff, but like I'm thinking like if they only knew now you can see it, and then believe it or not, chiropractors, all you students out there or want to be students or want to be chiropractors, you have no idea where the future is for chiropractic. You're gonna be the primary, I mean the real primary care where they're gonna look at you for the real advice, and then the pharmaceutical world is gonna be all course over there. But if you really want to hone into like your own body's ability to heal, chiropractic is the way to go. This is the fantastic time to be here right now. It's like we're evolving, and then all this information is coming out. Well, wow, you know, and then you see all that modern medicine, what's done in the past, and then you know, there's a lot of stories on that, and then the truth is about you know, you see the pharmaceutical world doing its little damage out there, so we're poised to be right there where we should be and elevating this whole profession.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

No, absolutely. I think Dustin, you'd probably agree with this statement. I feel like for professional athletes, you know, of course they need a massage therapist or they need a physical therapist, or they might need the athletic trainer if they get injured for ultrasound, ESTEM, or any of the modalities. You know, I feel like we typically use more modern modalities like shockwave or laser or any of these things, but professional teams do have access to these modalities as well. But I guess my point is I feel like the professional athlete is more and more going to seek chiropractors because we can adjust, do the physical therapy, do the rehab, do the body work through ART. We're kind of jack of all trades. If you want to go down that path as a chiropractor, you can definitely be a high-volume chiropractor. But if your passion is sports and being, I mean, don't you see that, Dustin? I feel like we're kind of unique creatures in being able to do the PT, the body work, and the adjustments, plus also having been athletes, have a athlete mindset to recovery and injury and kind of put a layer on top of that, wouldn't you say?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Yeah, I think uh Dr. Reed did a good job um explaining it early on when we walk in and we get invited into work with a team, we start off as that Cairo, right? And but then it really quickly morphs into, like you said, oh, can you take a look at this? Oh, whether and they might say in the beginning is I don't have time, you know, like or I need extra hands. Can you just do this? I could do it, but you know, do you mind helping me out? But and then you come to find out after a few months, it's really they don't have the skill set or the knowledge, and they're appreciating what you're doing, but they just don't want to admit it at first. At least that's how I feel like it, because it always turns out into then you know, you've been there a year or two, you're you become the expert and you're the go-to guy for more than just the chiropractic. So I think you're right, and I love that you mentioned that early on. I was cracking up when you said that because I almost every team I've worked with, that's always how it started. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:05

Yeah, you know better than most for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:07

It's such a territorial position over there in football world. You talk about from the head trainer to the juniors, the the the orthopedic, there is some territory you can oh my you just sit back and then you just you you just understand that you know your knowledge, you know your skill set, and you just stand by for when then they need you. That's it. You don't want to impose to and you see a lot of wrong in there, and I just sit there and goes, hey, no, okay, I get it. All right, you'll and then once it once the injury is long gated to a period where it's like, hey, we're one month from a s and from the onset of the injury and you haven't healed this thing, then I'll just kind of like you know they'll eventually come to you. They'll say, Hey, have you seen this before? Goes, I think so. Let me try this out. You don't want to be right for sports is such a sports chiropractic on loan is very difficult. So once you get on there, it is one of those things that they know what your skill set is, they hang on to you. So that's why you you know who you are when you get in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:06

Yeah. Dustin, you taught me a lot about uh, you know, from the team side of just I remember you telling me, hey, I gotta stay in my lane, I just adjust, and I was like, I'm doing this, this, and this, and you're like, hey, that's different. You're like hired by the guys, I'm on the team side. And I, Dr. Re, I used to always tell Dr. Dustin, like, man, I'm a little bit envious and jealous. I want to be the team guy, you know, and he'd always say to me, Ah, but there's like these constraints and these egos, and like you're one-on-one at the guys' houses, you know, getting Thanksgiving Day pumpkin pies, like, you know, you're you're on the right side of things, and I'm like, but you get free gear, you know?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Hey, let me tell you, I've been on both sides, right? So I I like your side better because when when I travel with one athlete and say with the world championship, well, Nike pays you. So you are only working on one person the whole entire time, and that's what your goal is. And then your time away is so much elongated. Like I don't have to worry about these whole like when it when you go with the football guys, right, to the NFL. So when you so it's it's it's not luxurious like people think, oh my god, you're going to you know Lom Lambeau Field up there, goes it's not that nice, first of all. It's an old stadium. Yeah, it's disgusting. Number one, and then the worst thing about it before. Yeah. So then when you when you see the facility in the locker room, it's not like a large facility where you have room to do everything there. It's jammed. It's almost like a high school, like leveled locker room in there. And then you're doing I ended up one time, I have my chiropractic stuff, right? The table. I'm in the I'm right by the Urinos. There's a number two can, there's a number one can, the shower, and some guys pre-game, they take showers. So now I got a steam room, and then they're doing their duty there, and it's you got the smell, you got the feeling, you got the noise. And then you gotta work on everybody within this warm-up period, and you're like, it ain't like that fun. So, you young guys, if you want to see that, go for it. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:08

They don't show that, they edit that part out for sure. Well, that's fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

That's awesome. We should have an episode where we just tell stories like that because I have some of those too. That's that's fun. Uh yeah, just brought back a lot of memories. Oh, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:25

It'd be great to swap those.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

What's that? That Jack Burview station, uh, a stadium that you have in San Diego, right? That's that was the old football stadium.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:32

Uh Qualcomm, they tore it down though.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:34

Well, they tore, let me tell you, that's that was the worst stadium of all the NFL stadiums that I've been to. That thing was the worst. I thought they had a asbestos hanging out of the same.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:43

I'm about to mark this clip right here because there's a lot of San Diego fans who would agree with you. I'm gonna tell you a true story, Doctory. Our last season there at Qualcomm, I remember walking through the tunnel, and by the way, I'll asterisk this with the Los Angeles Chargers facility is top-notch now. However, we were in Qualcomm, they didn't want to put money into it, and I remember walking through the tunnel and there was water leaking, and I said to the concession person, like, oh man, it sucks. There's water leaking, and he goes, The best bet is that it's water, and I was like, Oh my goodness, you know? And the other thing was I was like waiting to like catch highlights and stuff, and I kid you not, this is not that long, it was five years ago. We had square TVs, sorry, Spanos, we had square TVs in the hallways, you know, like not flat screens, but like they had a shelf to put the square T. Like that's what was I said, boy, it is time to upgrade. But however, it did look like a gladiator stadium. I love the look of it, I love the tailgate parking. Uh, it was just it was nostalgic, but it needed an uplift for sure, you know. No doubt. 100% right. What'd you say, Dustin?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

Yeah, I can hear him. I can hear him. But I remember the lockers, the lockers were just like it looked like he just he's been repainted 50 times, so you see all the coats on there. And then and then you you see it's like wood on top of wood, like a support of a support of a support on this corner. I'm like thinking, I get it, I get it. Let's get in and win this game and get out before this whole thing comes down on us.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:20

Did you travel to Qualcomm to San Diego in that 2015-2018 time?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:26

Okay, gosh, so we were on the same field at the same time and just didn't even know each other. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:32

I you know, they were saying they were saying come out there and you know, you know, you know, meet the other doctor. I was stuck in there just sweating. These guys wanted to get work done. I go, man, you my ass.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

Oh, that's funny. That's really funny. Well, um, Dr. Re, if if Dr. Glass and I wanted to get a hold of your product, or another doctor listening to this wanted to get a hold of your product, is this something that is available for purchase off website or is it not quite yet? What where are we at with the distribution of it?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

Yeah, so you can the best way to get regen is you know talk to your provider and then they'll contact me and then I'll set up an agreement and then a uh distribution kind of like uh pattern there. So it doesn't go directly to the consumer but to you know doctors.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:19

Providers, yeah. So any doctors who are listening who are interested in this product, they can reach out to you. I'm gonna ask you for your social or the website here in a second, and then uh for you know, Dustin and I, we can speak with you offline about getting product in office and using it with our athletes and our patients and um hopefully getting you more positive testimonials.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:40

Oh man, thanks a lot, man. We appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

Yeah. And where should people go if there's other doctors listening to you know inquire about this with you?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:48

So just go on the website uh regenr-h e G-E-N dot com, and then just hit info and then shoot me an email, and then uh we can start the conversation.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:00

That's awesome. So just to repeat that, if you want to get a hold of Dr. Tommy Ree and his regen product, it is just the website regen.com r-h e-e G-E-N dot com. Um, like your last name, Rhee. So perfect. It's like you were born for this, right? That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:19

You know, it just fits in perfectly. So you know the funny thing about that name is I I had it as R-E, right? Like regen, like you typically see it in the regen of the world. And I was I was just sitting there and we're just like just kind of just shooting old, you know, and then all of a sudden it just hit me that my name is that kind of pronunciation. So I'm like, why don't I just use that? It goes, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:43

So that's how I started it. I love it. That's great. Um, it looks like we had a little technical issue with Dr. Glass. Uh he had to log off, and actually we have uh, well, at least I have patients coming in here in about 15 minutes. So we're gonna wrap it up. But is there anything else you'd like to add, Dr. Reed? Before I mean we're definitely gonna have you on in a couple months again. I'd like to hear a follow-up, and I'll definitely get some product from you and we'll, you know, I'll be able to share my experiences with it. But is there anything else you'd like to speak about or talk about before we go?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:11

Uh uh I know that uh we mentioned something about the book. The reason why I wrote the book is that there's so many questions about stem cell, and then what's what's stem cells all about? What the different kinds of stem cells, and I I knew that there's a science component of it, but I also have a layman's term in there or lamen's kind of a like a the discussion with this guy named Jeff. Jeff walks you through his discovery of stem cells, the different kinds of stem cells, and then the future of stem cell, which is topical. So that's a fun book, and you can look at Amazon.com or Amazon and look for my book and is it the future of regenerative medicine, and just you know, put my name Brie on there and that'll pop up. And I think that's an easy read, it's like maybe less than 200 pages, and it's just fun about about there's the science side of it and the lameness side of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:00

No, that's fascinating. I know Dr. Glass picked up the book and he was telling me before we went live that there was a lot of interesting things, and he was really um just impressed because sometimes you can take a complicated subject and it remains complicated. You know, it's very hard to understand and digest, and I think there is a little bit of misunderstanding around stem cells, like you had mentioned, and so um this is awesome. I'm gonna definitely order that book today, and I look forward to kind of digging into it over the holidays. That way I can speak a little more with a little more background on this very important topic as we all age and as the future of medicine is evolving and we're making improvements. And I think most people want to live longer and be healthier and not be of our parents' generation where if you were 60 it was game over, you know, and now it's like, well, yeah, we're 80, but what is the quality of life at 80? Can you walk? Can you tie your shoes? Can you get down and up from a seated position? And so this product I think is really gonna actually no drama included, but it's going to change a lot of people's lives, just I mean, on the science of it, but just on the actual some things are are hard for the masses to have access to because a cost can be prohibitive or you know, various reasons. And so I just think this hits the nail on the head with accessibility, with cost, most importantly, effectiveness, you know. So again, like it's hard to come up with an idea and see it into a product and have it come to fruition. And so my hats off to you for putting in the work. I I really think you're gonna make a huge impact, you know, on a lot of people's lives. And um, I'm glad that your team reached out to us and we got to speak and meet. And uh I have a feeling we'll meet in person sometime in the future. But uh Dustin, welcome back. I was just saying um it's amazing that you know Dr. Ree had this idea and brought this product, and I was just saying I think it's gonna change a lot of lives, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:04

Yeah, no, it's a game changer in my opinion, so I uh feel uh honored that we got to speak with you and uh learn more about it, and uh can't wait to learn even more about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:15

Gosh, this is great, man. Thank you very much. I loved it, and uh, you know what I really love? I I just love talking and helping and really just you know, you know what we really do? We we do a little discovery, we do a little bit of investigation, but we also teach, and that's what's the biggest thing is teaching our athletes, our patients, and then now other doctors about this world.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:38

Yep. No, it's it is, it is um well, I'm glad you shed some light on a very important topic and a a newly developing kind of aspect of longevity and regenerative medicine, and uh, you know, for Dustin and I, I think you're gonna through one degree of separation help a lot of people um who are looking to stay on the field longer, who are looking to improve their life just on the activities of daily living. And I do have a side question, maybe two. One and a quick follow-up. Is that gentleman the quarterback that you worked with the Achilles? Is he still playing in the league? Because I have a feeling he is. Yes. And he eats W sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:20

Hey, you you know he can't talk about it, P. You don't put him in this position.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:25

Hey, I hey, you are saying you know you're you're I'm just gonna say that I think that you've helped that young man still continue to play because I will say 2015 to 2018 was a while ago, and so it's probably not too far of a stretch to say that if he hadn't met you, maybe his career wouldn't be this long, whoever this person is. And so that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:54

Hey, let me tell you something. All you guys that need that kind of that investigation and that mystery solve, you're the guy right there.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:02

Holy god, we've we've been doing this a long time. Yeah, that's why I tried to stop him before he went down that rabbit hole. I knew where he was going.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:13

Well, I'll tell you a story in person, Dr. Ree, one day where Dustin was uh asking me about somebody's injuries, and it just lined up with like it was probably like the fourth or fifth injury where we were just because we always, you know, share cases and things, and one day it just the light bulb went off, and I said, This is too coincidental. I can't believe that I never put two or two together because my guy's working with a one, like you say his name, and everyone like no last name needed type of guy, you know, and he's so good at just keeping uh the care with the care, and um yeah, so because of Dustin, I've started to just churn my wheel a little bit and try to figure these things out. It's like a Sudoku puzzle, but with athletes, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:02

Hey, you know, when when I i it it might be dangerous that all of us get together because we're gonna start bouncing off these names and I'll say, uh oh, we're gonna wrap people out. We've got to be careful. We'll have a good time over agreement for sure. Yeah. There's gonna be some good because I have a strange feeling that we probably know some of the same athletes and the stories that go along with these guys. 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:24

I look forward to sharing that. Well, next time you go out to uh Florida, Dustin, maybe I can make it out. And actually, yeah, I think I'm coming out for a um like an Under Armour All-Star game in January, perhaps. I I'm not sure exactly where. Maybe Orlando is. Okay, I think I'm coming out for that working with someone. So we'll touch base before then. I'd love to be able to meet you if I'm anywhere close by.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:48

Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:49

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:50

Um, real quick, maybe last week, Dustin? Yeah, well, I want to yeah. Doc, plug your book.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:56

Oh, yeah. Um, I I so it's uh it's on Amazon and it's called a Future of Regenerative Medicine. And just put my last name on you know the back end of it and it'll pop up.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:05

Okay, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:07

I highly recommend it. Yeah, I was saying um I'm glad that you picked it up, Dustin. I was saying I'm gonna order it today because uh rarely do you say something is a good read and it's not, and so uh I would have got it anyways, but you beat me to the punch and got it and already you know probably finished it. But um yeah, I'm I'm right behind you. Well, perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:28

Yeah, we got all got to support each other too. Yeah, we do. Like you said, it's about education, and both me and P like to you know talk and educate, and I love that about you too. So I don't I don't I don't think this will be the last time we meet and talk, and hopefully we can all do it in person, like Doc said. So yeah, looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:47

Well, thank you very much, guys. This is awesome. This was awesome. This is a good little talk here. Oh, perfect.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:52

Yeah, looking forward to doing it again. It's nice to meet a new friend and uh make a new friend and uh talk all things regenerative medicine and sports, and uh it's what we love to do. So we'll be in contact. Um, Dr. Re, I'm gonna reach out to you later on this week because I'd like to get some product in hand, and I'm sure Dr. Glass would as well. And um we'll touch base soon, but I wanted to thank you for your time. We'd allotted an hour, we went about an hour and a half, and I know it's late on your side in Florida, so thank you again for the time. And I can see the enthusiasm and you're passionate about what you do, and I think that that's one of the reasons that you're gonna be really, really successful with this product. So um I'm happy to see the the journey and be a witness to it and uh hopefully you know contribute to distributing this product to our patients, you know. So thank you again.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:39

Awesome, thank you for those kind words. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:42

Yeah, of course, of course. Well, I'm Dr. Dokel and uh I'm with my colleague here today, Dr. Glass. And our special guest today.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:52

Uh Dr. Tommy Ree. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:55

Yes, thank you so much. This is the Second Opinion Sports Medicine Podcast. We're signing off for the day. We'll be back here in a few days. Thank you to all our listeners. If you have any questions, please reach out. I'll put Dr. Ree's contact info, uh, the book title, and how you can get a hold of him if you want to use this product. You can ask your provider to reach out to him doctor to doctor. And uh hopefully this will um reach a lot of people's ears, and eventually this product will hit a lot of people's bodies and help them out. But uh one last time, thank you again, Dr. Reed, for your time, and we'll speak soon. Uh my name is Doctor Dogan, we're signing off. Second Opinion Sports Medicine Podcast. We'll be back with you next week. Thanks again, guys. Good night, everybody. All right, we are offline.