Sinners Among Saints

Episode 65: Secrets and Specters of Francis Pencovic and the Ghostly Kay's Cross

January 05, 2024 Megan and Lindsay Season 1 Episode 65
Episode 65: Secrets and Specters of Francis Pencovic and the Ghostly Kay's Cross
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Sinners Among Saints
Episode 65: Secrets and Specters of Francis Pencovic and the Ghostly Kay's Cross
Jan 05, 2024 Season 1 Episode 65
Megan and Lindsay

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Ever wondered what secrets lie hidden in the whispers of cults or what chill-inducing tales your local paranormal hotspot might hold? Join us, Megan and Lindsay, as we leap into the new year shedding light on the shadowy corners of human experiences. 
Picture this: a man claiming to be centuries old, unearthly origins, and a following that hangs on every outlandish word he preaches. The enigmatic life of Francis Herman Pencovic and the haunting rituals at Kay's Cross are just the tip of the iceberg.
As we wrap up this enthralling episode, we extend a warm (and ghostly) invitation to our listeners to share their own eerie encounters and supernatural experiences. So, tune in, get cozy, and prepare for a rollercoaster of emotions. Oh, and about that cheeky tithe for our comedic cause? It's totally voluntary, but we wouldn't say no to a token of appreciation. Let's embark on this adventure together, and who knows, maybe you'll spot a robed figure in your dreams tonight—or was it just us?

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Ever wondered what secrets lie hidden in the whispers of cults or what chill-inducing tales your local paranormal hotspot might hold? Join us, Megan and Lindsay, as we leap into the new year shedding light on the shadowy corners of human experiences. 
Picture this: a man claiming to be centuries old, unearthly origins, and a following that hangs on every outlandish word he preaches. The enigmatic life of Francis Herman Pencovic and the haunting rituals at Kay's Cross are just the tip of the iceberg.
As we wrap up this enthralling episode, we extend a warm (and ghostly) invitation to our listeners to share their own eerie encounters and supernatural experiences. So, tune in, get cozy, and prepare for a rollercoaster of emotions. Oh, and about that cheeky tithe for our comedic cause? It's totally voluntary, but we wouldn't say no to a token of appreciation. Let's embark on this adventure together, and who knows, maybe you'll spot a robed figure in your dreams tonight—or was it just us?

Stranger In The House
What happens when your home is turned into a house of horrors? Stranger In the House is...

Listen on: Apple Podcasts   Spotify

Thanks for all the support!! Please follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Tik Tok, or email us, and remember we now have a Patreon!!
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Speaker 2:

Hey guys, I'm Megan and I'm Lindsay. Welcome to another episode of Sinners Among Saints Sinners.

Speaker 3:

Among Saints Sinners Podcast.

Speaker 2:

Yes, that is us. Welcome to 2024. Happy freaking new year people. Happy new year. Survived 2023. Barely Barely.

Speaker 3:

But we did it. I barely survived, but we're through to another year here we are, here we are It'll be a great year.

Speaker 2:

I have good feelings Me too, actually Good feelings.

Speaker 3:

I haven't had really good feelings about like a new upcoming year in a long time, and this year I'm feeling it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, me too. I'm really feeling it. Yeah, and the TikTok psychics say some good things about our upcoming years. So I'm just going to say that, yeah, that's where I'm going now for my positive affirmations.

Speaker 1:

I like it. We all need a good medium in our life you know.

Speaker 3:

So here we are. I need one, if any of you are out there, or mediums we would actually really like to do like a reading? Yeah, we actually would so if any of you are mediums, please reach out to us, because we would totally pay to do a reading with you.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, absolutely, it's something I've wanted to do for a long time. Yeah, me too, so please, great yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So we kind of realized that we get on every week and we talk about well, we talk to you like we, like everyone knows us, and that we know you because that's what it feels like to us it does.

Speaker 3:

We're just great friends and buds and we have a lot of new listeners and a lot of people are like we don't know who's who. Yeah, so for me that's talking right now. I'm Lindsay and I would be Megan, so and by default that makes her Megan. So now you can kind of put a name to a voice. Yeah, hopefully, the more you listen, the easier that gets.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but we're probably going to add like that little kind of intro in the beginning, just because it's a little more not formal but like professional, maybe yeah. So we've not been very professional, no, and I think, just like for any of our, anytime we get new listeners, it just is helpful for them.

Speaker 3:

I think it is helpful. I like it on the podcast. I listen to when they do that.

Speaker 2:

And I, yeah, and they've been doing it for years and they still do it. So, yeah, probably good for us to do. We just maybe got a little cocky A little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 3:

But so we have to apologize because we were planning on releasing this last week. I had you know we were already and Megan got strep literally the day we were going to record.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was like the afternoon and I texture because I like I was it had kind of started the night before, but I was like maybe I just like I have really bad allergies, guys like all the time, and so I get sore throats and I get like scratchy and whatever, and I don't ever think anything of it. And then, as like the day went on like it wasn't kind of going away, it just felt a little different. And then I looked at my throat and I had all the like white stuff in my throat and I like had to texture and was like I think I have strep, so what you know, what would you like? And so she's like well, you should probably just get it, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Cause it was like on the 22nd, so right before Christmas, and I was like, uh, yeah, I don't want my kids to get strep for Christmas. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm basically immune to almost everything at this point, but knock on wood.

Speaker 2:

Now I'm going to get something.

Speaker 2:

But, well, and I did I really like, by the end of the day, excited go to the doctor and he was it was just an insta care and I went in and they were actually this is, I think, the first time it's happened but, like the nurse who took me in, he was like doing my vitals and he's like, so why are you here? And I told him I'm pretty sure I have strep. And he's like, um, do you want to do a strep test? And I was like, yeah, he's like okay, well, we'll get that going now.

Speaker 2:

And then the doctor will come in and see you, you know, in a few minutes. And I was like, well, that's perfect. So when the doctor came in, he was like you know, hi. And he's like you know, can you tell me your name? And I said Megan, he's like Megan was strep. I think so, and he's like it is very much so.

Speaker 3:

That is the true.

Speaker 2:

And he's like how bad is the pain? And really I have like a weird pain tolerance because like it's not really that bad and I just have a scratchy throat yeah. I was like it's not really that bad, I just have all the white stuff in there, and so I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 3:

I know what it is.

Speaker 2:

And he looked at my throat and he's like that looks terrible, okay, thank you Well, I also got my appendix out and, like it was my period, cramps were worse, so I don't know. So it was my fault that we didn't record.

Speaker 3:

And then it was like Christmas and we didn't have time, and then it was like the holidays and yeah and yeah, and so that was that, and shit got busy.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so sorry, sorry. And then he kind of forgot to tell you yeah, I just, I literally remembered like so today would be the day that we would have the episode would have come out, but we're recording, obviously, and this will come out the following week. It was like the afternoon and I was driving to my dad's house and I was like shit, I should probably tell everybody like we're not just ghosting you, well, and I even got to work today and everyone was like, did you guys put out a new?

Speaker 3:

like I didn't see anything new today, because a lot of people listen in the mornings, and I was like, oh nope. And then I meant to get on and do it, but I was like, then work. Yeah, you're busy. I couldn't and so yeah.

Speaker 2:

Sorry. So sorry, yeah, we do apologize. We're going to try and do better we can make a goal.

Speaker 3:

We're going to try and do better. We can say we can. That's all we can say.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we can make a. We're going to try A goal to try and do better. Will we meet that goal? I'm not sure. But I mean, you know, we have all the best of intentions, guys, and we think about you. We left a lot of room for improvement in the next year, so you're welcome.

Speaker 3:

We do have some some business things to get to, so we wanted to say thank you to our new Patreon, micah O'Leary. Thank you, I went to high school with Micah.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you did. Yeah, I didn't know. You knew the person, yes.

Speaker 3:

He is like he's a really cool guy. I mean, I don't know if he's still cool.

Speaker 2:

He used to be pretty cool. He was cool in high school and that was for us eons ago, so like forever ago.

Speaker 3:

But no, he just graduated, I think, in social work, he just got his bachelor's. So congrats, man. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. And yeah, he's like. He was like kind of the cool skater kid Okay that you know, was always too cool to hang out with me.

Speaker 2:

Right, yeah, I mean not really, because he hung out with everybody You're stuck with me forever, I am stuck with you forever.

Speaker 3:

No, he was like, so he's just a really nice funny kid. And I call him a kid Like I'm older than him.

Speaker 2:

Because you're thinking of him as like high school, right? Yeah, he was like such a funny kid.

Speaker 3:

But anyways, thank you, micah. Your support means the world to me. Yeah, that's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, we love it. He was actually my promenade date. We promenaded and he's super tall. The hell is promenade.

Speaker 2:

You didn't go to promenade.

Speaker 3:

I went to prom when you learned the dance and do the dance before prom. Nope, we did not do that. What? Okay, so you do the dances where the girls ask the guys to be, like your promenade date.

Speaker 2:

It's not the same as your prom date and they do like a choreo?

Speaker 3:

no, and you do a choreographed. It's only in your class, in the junior class, so no other classes are involved in it. Yeah, no, and then you do like a choreographed dance and parents come. And then you like, they like videotape you, and then Nope, maybe we were just fancy in Wyoming.

Speaker 2:

I mean, maybe my school did it and I just was not a part of any of that. I think that's like a pretty like normal big thing. I feel like I would have known that there was at least that whole thing going on, but no, I was not a part of that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I just remember, because Michael was like super tall and he was like really, really skinny in high school and so and we did lifts in our dance and I was like afraid he was going to drop me because I was not.

Speaker 2:

You were super skinny in high school. I was not super well. You are still super skinny.

Speaker 3:

In my mind, I was not super skinny in high school. So in my mind, when I was a junior, I was super fat and I was afraid that I was too empty for him. God, you're so.

Speaker 2:

I know, isn't it like terrible?

Speaker 3:

You look back and you're like God, I wish I could be that fat again, right, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Take me back.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and I wish my boobs could look like that again. Oh my God.

Speaker 2:

And like Please just take me back, right, I have a hard time because, like Cody wants to lift me a lot now and I'm like no, and he like gets offended like I like I don't think he's strong enough to and I'm like it has nothing to do with your strength. What it has to do with is, like you know really really large dogs, like large, large dogs. If you pick them up, they always look at you like what in God's name are you doing? Because they're not dogs that you pick up, like people don't pick them up. So when you do, like when Shane used to pick up Quantico, who is our like really big rat wilder, he would look at you like what? Are you doing?

Speaker 2:

Like put me down. And that's how I feel is like I am not like this petite woman that men throw around like in this. You know, like oh, I'm going to do like no, if you, if you pick me up, you'll probably get a hernia or like strain a neck muscle or something bad is going to happen. And then I have to feel guilty that I like hurt you, and then you have to pretend like you're not hurt. Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You'll make me feel bad. You'll get like a hernia and then can't go to the doctor because I'll feel like shit.

Speaker 2:

And you have to pretend like you're. You see, I told you I was tough and I could do that. I'm like no, you're just going to like, it's just, I've always been like that, it's just never going to like just don't pick me up.

Speaker 3:

No, I am not a baby that needs to be carried. And it makes me feel self conscious. I don't care how big they are or how small I am. I feel like if I was a tiny how strong they are.

Speaker 2:

I would probably like it would be like in the bedroom and like, well, like fun. But no bedrooms is a different story, but like any like no, don't pick me up, don't, you'll hurt yourself. Like you're going to, you're going to throw something out, and then we're all going to have to pretend like it didn't happen because, like, no one wants to hurt anyone's feelings and I just I can't be a part of that Right, I just can't yeah.

Speaker 3:

Anyways, I don't know how we got on that, but Micah thinks we're worth her support.

Speaker 2:

And if you could please message and let us know if you're able to lift Lindsay if you're promenading us.

Speaker 3:

Please, don't, please, please don't. Anywho. What else? I feel like we were going to talk about some other things. Oh, do you want to do our current news events at the end in place of our soul cleanse? Or now, I don't know, it's kind of I, maybe. No, we didn't do a soul cleanse this week because this one's kind of like more upbeat.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

And just more of a fun one.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we're already letting you down. We're forgetting to get a soul cleanse, really, so just take it at that. Listen, we had some other things that we can throw in in place. Well, we just wanted to kind of talk about I think we should do it in the front, because I don't know that people actually listen to our soul cleanse.

Speaker 3:

It's true, okay, so first of all, ruby Frankie, if anybody is following that, and Judy Hildebrandt yes, I don't remember now if Jody, I call their Judy, it's Jody Hildebrandt, but I don't remember if she pled guilty. I know that she was going to plead guilty, but Ruby Frankie did plead guilty to like six counts of child abuse and it lists specifically what she's pleading guilty to and it is horrific.

Speaker 2:

I haven't read it.

Speaker 3:

It's terrible.

Speaker 2:

So I haven't read it. So it's terrible. Do you have like a list?

Speaker 3:

Well, I don't, I mean in my mind, I do.

Speaker 3:

Okay, so there was like some where. So they were withholding food, and for punishment they would make them go stand in the summer heat, which in Southern Utah is really damn hot. Yeah, so for punishment they would make the kids go stand outside 24 seven. They didn't have access to food or water. They would make them stand outside all day, all day and all night, for days at a time. And the one kid tried to sneak water, which I'm assuming was like from a hose or something, and they caught them and beat them for it.

Speaker 2:

It was they. Jodi and Ruby, Jodi and Ruby Okay. And it's the husband. Where in God's name?

Speaker 3:

is his first. I don't know if he was like traveling. Duped ass husband, because when everything happened and they got like the kid got loose from Jodi's house he was gone on a trip. So he claims and she claims that he didn't know anything about it.

Speaker 2:

I mean I hope so. Sorry if I called you stupid and you really didn't know anything about it.

Speaker 3:

I have a hard time saying I feel like there would be signs of something. Yeah, I think you are stupid if you didn't pick up that nothing was going on when your kids were like starved to death and the kids had such severe blistering sunburns from being outside because they had no sunscreen, no water, nothing. It was like I don't even want to be outside. Multiple layers of just sloughing off like terrible burns.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, cause they're. Are they Southern, southern Utah. So just for those of you who don't live in Utah, like during the summertime, like St George and like the Southern areas like that, get like 115, 117, like it like really, really hot, whereas like up here, like Northern, we get more like 103, 105, like more like that, and I don't want to spend five minutes outside in that temperature, like with my drink and my shade and all of my stuff.

Speaker 3:

No, it said that they also would like make them go run outside without shoes in the summer. So like blister their feet, cause that's some hot ass. Yeah, like sidewalk or wherever they were running. Um, yeah, it was just like just terrible, terrible things, terrible. And then they convinced the kids that they were possessed by the devil. And that's why they were getting punished. Was to get the devil out of them? No, so they would turn it around on their kids.

Speaker 3:

And so then the kids. That's why they wouldn't tell anybody about what was happening to them, because they were so brainwashed into thinking that they were possessed by the devil. Like it's some sick shit.

Speaker 2:

What is wrong with her?

Speaker 3:

I don't know. And then they would beat them and then cover their wounds in cayenne pepper and honey.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I remember that. The kid that got loose, that's what he had on his wounds yeah.

Speaker 3:

Like just horrific.

Speaker 2:

And there are lots of charges right, so hopefully she'll be in prison forever.

Speaker 3:

Well, I don't know, because it sounded like she was going to cut a deal, of course, to testify against Jodi, but then Jodi is pleading guilty. So now I don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, cause I don't think you can take a plea deal if the other person pleads guilty and there's no trial. Uh-uh Cause there's no reason that they need you to testify if she pleads guilty.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. And then I don't think that Jodi was like fuck you, bitch, I would. If that's what was happening. I was like I'll just plead guilty, I'm not taking the brunt for this, you're going down with me, cause I can't imagine.

Speaker 2:

I mean, honestly, those are Ruby's children, so she should be held more culpable than her random friend that she got in on it with her, cause how do you have a friend that's like, hey, we should do all this weird shit to your kids and you're like, okay, I don't think that's what happened and I think she was probably behind it, and then Jodi, somewhat, however, like joined in or whatever, but Can you imagine if I came to you and be like hey, megan, my kid's being a real shit stick.

Speaker 3:

Can we convince them that they're possessed by the devil and then beat the shit out of them and starve them? And then can we just keep them at your house so nobody finds out?

Speaker 2:

Like what? Like I would probably start laughing and like, oh man, you have no hard day. Like what's going on. And then, once I realized you were serious, I would be like, oh what, what's happening? She's lost it. I think I should call the police. That's what needs to happen, right? I would not be like, yeah, totally, let's, let's kick the shit out of them and put them in my house, exactly. No no. So exactly.

Speaker 2:

Put on her, yeah For pleading guilty, not you know, thankfully, like thankfully she's pleading guilty so that hopefully her kids don't have to go through like testimony and trial and all of that kind of stuff, cause it seems like they have been through plenty, plenty. They don't need anymore. Yeah, it's crazy. And then Gypsy Rose was just released yesterday.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So that's like the other big big news that was yeah, and they we just. Well, we tried to watch this YouTube video?

Speaker 2:

We did, didn't?

Speaker 3:

it Kept stopping at the same spot. She took her for a selfie and then she went with her husband, who she married while she was in prison, who was like 15 feet taller than her he is, he's so big and they went shoe shopping. And what did it say at?

Speaker 2:

the end it was like she was going to like celebrate whatever, and we want to see that because and then it would just stop the whole video stop.

Speaker 3:

So we were like did a glitch and it started over again. So we're like okay, here we go. We watched the whole damn video again and it cut off in the same place. We were like okay okay, whatever? They're like a two-parter or they did that shit on purpose.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and we thought her husband, cuz she had a boyfriend at the time that she Killed her mom. Yeah, I don't think it's the same one, cuz how didn't she moved out at that point. It was like trying to like have this relationship.

Speaker 3:

But then her mom was like trying yeah, like not know if it's the same one. Actually, I thought that she met him while she was okay, maybe.

Speaker 2:

It was one of those. How long she's been there, do you?

Speaker 3:

know to get in on this.

Speaker 2:

As people do. I mean, in her case I Don't feel like you know she, she was horrifically abused, yeah, whole life. I don't blame her at all, but I I Just her mental status like I don't know how that is. Maybe she's fine like some people that you know, the I can't think of his name, but the guy in the child and a boy called it yeah, they wrote that book. He's a seemingly like really normal, well put together human after all of his abuse and so you know, maybe she's not, maybe maybe she's not like been super damaged to be determined right, cuz when you go through that much shit that young, and then you send the rest of your formative years in prison.

Speaker 2:

Well, and she not only was just abused, but she was, like you know, like malnourished and like neglected in other ways that like will affect your brain. Yeah, and you're gross, ruby, frankie, where he convinced you that you were sick.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that you're like, like you thought you were dying. Yeah, you literally thought that any day could have been your last day like yeah, like sick, sick, sick her mom. Yeah, some people just should not have kids.

Speaker 2:

No, and honestly like at the end of the day, having kids is hard. It is hard. Why would you do it? Just Because you like, you don't like them? And I don't like it's so much work, I don't get it. To get them here and like, deal with like the brand new baby stuff to just be like a shit person, right, I don't get it. I don't get it either.

Speaker 3:

I'll never understand no me either.

Speaker 2:

But she's released and she's out and she's got a husband and yeah, that would be a fun one to cover.

Speaker 3:

It would be that one's a good one, because that one's kind of come full circle, mm-hmm, and I really want to cover this Rudy Frankie stuff. So Ruby Frankie.

Speaker 2:

Rudy. Such a good movie. It's such a good movie. Freakin love that movie. Um yeah. Yeah, those are good, good, couple ones, but yeah, that's our stuff.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, all right, well, we'll get into this fun case then. So this week was supposed to be again right before New Year's, right? And so I was like, well, I'm gonna do like a fun paranormalish one. And Another Micah separate Micah from my work Was like, hey, have you heard of K's cross? I was like, no, you heard of case? No, okay, so I started researching case cross, which is like one of the most paranormal Areas in Utah. Okay, and we'll get into that a little bit. But then it took like a deep dive because there's a Colt that was in Utah that has big case cross ties. Oh, so then I was like, well, I gotta cover the colt. Yeah, I can't tell the story without covering the colt. No, so I didn't go into as much detail as I could have with the colt because it would have been like a 14 parter. Okay, so I just hit the highlights sweet, so that we can also get to the K case cross.

Speaker 3:

So we're gonna start out by talking about Francis Herman Pinkovic. Okay he was born in San Francisco, california, on March 29th 1911. His father, albert Pinkovic, was a Jewish immigrant from Romania, and his mom was named Maude Baushenbach Baushenbach.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I love it, maude.

Speaker 3:

Baushenbach, and you'll never guess where Maude Baushenbach was from. It's such a fun name to say. Just say Utah. She was from Utah. She was born in our home state of Utah, maude.

Speaker 2:

Maude, I can see as a Utah name oh for sure Baushenbach, baushenbach, no that does not sound like it from Utah. No, I was being very, very sarcastic there, so well, there you go.

Speaker 3:

So there isn't a ton of information about Francis's early life, but several sources say that he became an orphan at a young age around eight years old, and he sort of lived like a nomadic lifestyle. He did live part of his childhood in Utah, but he ended up graduating high school in Nevada and and eventually would go between his birth state of California and his mother's home state of Utah. Okay, he ended up getting married to a woman named Lucille and they had two kids together. And Francis starts talking to Lucille about how he wants to start his own religion someday. Oh no, and pretty soon he has like a small following. Now, at first it's not really a religion, it's more of a humanitarian movement. Okay, so these group just kind of get together and they go on treks through all the mountains for weeks at a time and they do all these humanitarian trips. Okay, and on one of these trips he has a secretary which I don't know why you need a secretary but he has a air quotes secretary.

Speaker 2:

He's really listening, setting up his future.

Speaker 3:

And her name is Ruth, and so Ruth goes on one of these longer trips with him and it's this group of people, but it doesn't sound like on this particular trip, lucille went with him, so it's him and Ruth and a big group of people. Okay, and they're gone for several weeks and when they get back it is very, very clear that these two are having a full-blown affair okay and they don't even like, they don't even try to hide it from Lucille.

Speaker 2:

Okay, so what year is this?

Speaker 3:

I don't know like the 19, it was like 1930.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, okay, just 1930. Really quick side note my next case takes place in the 1920s and it is about a like church leader and one of the choir ladies having an affair.

Speaker 3:

How do we do this, I feel like we do this all the time and there's, like these weird coincidences.

Speaker 2:

When you said 1911, because One of them gets married in 1911 and then yeah, but it's like a whole, a whole thing. Yeah and it's very like everyone kind of knows that these two are like having an affair as well.

Speaker 3:

Yeah. So I don't know exactly what year this is, but when everything starts to go down, it's like 1930, 1848 to 42, and so it's like I think it's like early 1930s when this is happening. Okay, so he starts kind of after he gets back and and Lucille realizes that he's having a full-blown affair with Ruth. He ends up starting to bring up polygamy to Lucille and is like, hey, so I think we should maybe bring Ruth into our family. What are your thoughts? And and Lucille's like no, this is not the life for me. A hard pass. And ends up getting divorced from him.

Speaker 2:

Wow, no, she's like back then.

Speaker 3:

Nope, she's like no, I'm not doing this. So she pieces out pretty quickly and takes her two kids with her, and Very soon after the divorce is finalized, like as soon as the ink dries, he ends up marrying Ruth Okay, who later becomes Mama Ruth that's what everybody calls her as.

Speaker 2:

Mama Ruth. Hopefully no one ever calls me Mama Megan, ever, ever ever.

Speaker 3:

No, I'm gonna start calling you that.

Speaker 2:

Hey, mama Megan, it just reminds me of, like, mama June.

Speaker 3:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

I just like I can't. No, thank you.

Speaker 3:

For some reason it doesn't have the same ring to it like Mama Ruth and Mama June. Yeah, I think it's because of their one syllable, but Mama Megan. It's not like it's not good.

Speaker 2:

No, mama, lindsay it just doesn't roll off the tongue. No, no, I don't know.

Speaker 3:

Nope. And so after he marries Ruth, they, the two, move back to Utah where he ends up enlisting in the army. Now at this point it's towards the end of World War two and it sort of seems like he enlists on purpose at this time, so that he won't actually get called into service like things are wrapping up Okay. But then he can kind of have that like war hero right. Like I was in the army, okay, I'm a veteran. Yeah type of attitude right.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I served in World War two. No, you didn't, which is exactly what happened. So I couldn't find exactly how long he was in the army, but several sources said that he was dismissed kind of quickly and it says dismissed, but it doesn't ever say honorably discharged. So I don't know if they were just like he enlisted for a little bit. He never saw combat, yeah. And then they were like All right, war is over, we don't need you go home.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'm not really sure what happened. Everything I could find was very, very big. So he's pretty manipulative and he uses this to try and gain more followers, because now he's a vet that air quotes served in World War two. So he just kind of uses this to his advantage. And this is when he decides to move forward with starting his own religion, and this is where it starts getting real weird. Okay, so he starts doing something pretty common in the era and going on lecture tours so apparently this is what people did and it's where he just books these little venues like little churches or community centers or whatever and he just goes and Lectures about whatever he wants to talk about. It's basically his time to do whatever he wants and people pay.

Speaker 2:

People pay cuz you gotta remember it's like back then there was nothing else to do. Exactly there's like the community center.

Speaker 3:

Should we go to the lecture? Well, what else do we have to do? Why not? Who's talking tonight? Oh, it's Francis, let's go check it out. So at first he just sort of Starts to give lectures about his previous humanitarian tricks Okay, and all the good that they did and all of the hikes that they did and he talks about like nature and the outdoors and People actually really like this part of it because they're like wow, like this seems like a really cool thing.

Speaker 3:

So he gets a lot of people who every time he comes and does lectures, they come to his lectures and pay to get in and listen to him. But every time he's does the lecture, things start to change slightly. Okay, so he begins calling himself a doctor at some point. So he says, you know, and I'm dr Pinkovic, and it just sort of makes him sound like smart right someone that people would admire and listen to.

Speaker 3:

He's already like a vet, he's a humanitarian and now he's a doctor. All of the above, all of the above. So once he has this newfound title, his material changes even more and he starts preaching about how People can be happy and healthy and things that they can do in their lives to be more fulfilled. Like, basically, when you think of motivational type yeah speeches and self-care that we think of now, he goes kind of like the og of that era.

Speaker 3:

Okay, he starts talking about all that and that reels a lot of people in, and so people really are starting to like about, like, like this speech, and so they just keep coming and keep coming and he's very charming and he's really a good speaker, he's eloquent, people are loving it. But then it starts to get really, really weird. He begins telling the audience that he is telepathic and that he knows all of the secrets of our world. Oh, and he's kind of like cliffhanger, like I Can't say how, but it will all be revealed in time.

Speaker 3:

Oh, just come keep coming to my lectures and I'll give you a little more and I'll give you a little more. So they do people like well, I want to know the secrets of our universe. Yeah, so he eventually starts telling people that he knows all of all about our world's past, present and the future, because he has been around since the beginning of time, oh, and Actually even longer than that. Okay, so he claims that he was among the first people on earth and claims that he was from Nepal and was there with Adam the Adam.

Speaker 3:

Adam and Eve Garden of Eden. Was that in Nepal?

Speaker 2:

I didn't think so, but that's what he says. Okay, I mean, I have no idea, cuz I did not attend church as a child.

Speaker 3:

I have no idea either, actually, where that's supposed to be located, but I didn't think it was Nepal I mean, I didn't think so either I thought it was more like Middle East area right. I don't know.

Speaker 2:

I'm terrible with geography too, so Book of Ezekiel places Eden in Lebanon.

Speaker 3:

Okay, well, according to him, it's in Nepal. So, and at this point I don't know if he was crazy as you, as you go on, I don't really think he's crazy. I don't think he's having delusions, I think he's just making stuff up to make it more important than he actually was so, then he starts claiming that he was from another planet altogether.

Speaker 3:

Okay called Neo Frades knee. It's NEO PH RATES, neo Frades, and he was actually 240,000 years old. Okay, yep, and he claims that his home planet. He said he's how old 240,000 years, oh, 40,000.

Speaker 2:

I was like some reason it stopped at 240.

Speaker 3:

I was like wait, okay, but that's not for being around the time, dude Come on 240,000 years old.

Speaker 2:

Okay.

Speaker 3:

So he says that his home planet was where humanity actually started. So that was where Neo Frades Humanity. Humanity started on Neo Frades, not earth. Okay, so there never really was a garden of Eden. Okay, he claims that this planet was on a similar rotation to earth in our Galaxy, okay, but Something happened and it shifted and it started to become like orbit closer to the Sun, and so it started to get too close to the Sun and so it was destroying the planet, and so humanity knew that it would end unless they got to another planet and and found safe haven. So they sent a fleet of rockets straight to earth and that's how we all came to live on our wonderful planet.

Speaker 2:

I do crazy people always include space as like part of like when shit took place or happened or how, like it's always like they started throwing in some weird ass space shit.

Speaker 3:

I mean, maybe there's something behind it, maybe there's exactly maybe they're not crazy, maybe it's us they're just like, are not open to believing right, and so we just think that they're crazy.

Speaker 2:

But we're just like telling the truth.

Speaker 3:

They're freaking nuts, when really they got it on lockdown, mm-hmm, who knows. So he said that each rocket that they sent was a mile wide and they it holds 35,000 people each and they send a fleet. So they say it didn't start with Adam and Eve and just humping like rabbits and procreating and eventually the earth came to be populated. They just sent like a shit ton of people from neo frades to Okay to start earth and the rockets landed in Nepal, in Nepal, in Nepal, near Mount Everest, and he claims that the rockets are still hidden there today, but they're covered by this like magic, mysterious cloud cover. Okay, so nobody can find them?

Speaker 2:

Uh-huh, okay, they're. Yep, a magic shield is. Magic shield what cannot see it? Okay, yep, so I don't know.

Speaker 3:

I'm more into like the comic books than you are, right, yeah, sounded suspiciously Like Superman to me. Okay, so I looked up when the first Superman came out, and it appeared in 1938, which was the same year that World War two ended. So the timeline kind of fits, so I don't know which came first. Francis's theory of, like what happened in his lectures, what he claims, or the story of Superman, because they're all about the same time.

Speaker 3:

So I don't know. Maybe Whoever wrote Superman Scripted it after he heard one of Francis's talks, or maybe Francis read a comic and thought he would like slightly change it to fit his needs.

Speaker 2:

I don't know. Okay, just a side note World War two ended in 1940 Because we didn't enter until 1940, like 44, the US oh, I was thinking it was 1930s Right. So World War two started, the end of 1939. Starting of it.

Speaker 3:

Okay, so maybe it was the starting of World War two then in 1938.

Speaker 2:

Let's see so 19. So it says that World War two began September 1st 1939. But we were probably ramping up to it right, like the official. Like war started 1939, Okay.

Speaker 3:

I ended in 1945, so then this must have been after then, because he had it was when it was ending, so he started his lecturing when it was ending. Okay, so Then Superman definitely came out before his lectures, because it came out in 1938.

Speaker 2:

Okay, so yeah, so it came out, and then World War two came, and he, and then he he Became a doctor, and a war that took time to be a war and a doctor and a humanitarian, yeah he probably read Superman and then like, like, just whether it was like subconscious or not, like yeah, he.

Speaker 3:

I think, he totally did so. Now that he claims to be from Nepal, this is when he starts ticking on a fake Indian accent and if you look up pictures of him right, he is absolutely white, like not Indian. But he starts talking in an Indian accent and he has not spoken in an Indian accent this whole time until he reveals that he was from Nepal. And then it's like, oh, by the way, now I have an Indian accent. And he also starts wearing like long yellow robes, walking around barefoot. He grows his hair and beard really long and he like literally looks a lot like Jesus, Like when you see pictures of Jesus, how do you spell his last name? It's P-E-N-C-O-V-I-C. Pinko Vic Krishna.

Speaker 2:

Venta.

Speaker 3:

Krishna Venta.

Speaker 2:

We'll get to that too.

Speaker 3:

He has not become Krishna yet.

Speaker 2:

No, no, he has not. Yeah, so that's him. He's definitely far too white to be from Nepal, like far too light-skinned yeah.

Speaker 3:

But I mean, I guess it just depends on what Neofredi's people looked like it's because he's not really from Nepal. He's not from Nepal, yeah. So yeah, just some weird, weird stuff. So, as you can imagine, people hear about this and it's drawing a lot of attention but truthfully, most of the attention is pretty negative, Like people can't believe what they're seeing. They're like have you seen the Spreekshow? You got to go watch.

Speaker 2:

And the press is in heaven, especially when he starts having like an accent.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, the press is in heaven reporting on this guy. But as the saying goes, no press is bad press. Right yeah.

Speaker 3:

So it actually works in his favor because it gets around and more and more people start to come and see him and then he ends up getting even more followers. And at this point that's when he officially changes his name to Krishna Venta in 1951. Okay, okay. So he comes out and says and actually my name is Krishna Venta, which I don't know where you got that name like Krishna Venta. So this is when he full on starts his own religion, starts talking about this in his lectures and several people start to follow him and come and join his religion and he calls his religion the fountain of the world.

Speaker 2:

But they're also known as WKFL which, if that doesn't sound like a radio station?

Speaker 3:

Welcome to WKFL. This is Krishna.

Speaker 2:

Venta. If you could redo that now with an Indian accent, I would appreciate it. Welcome to WKFL. I can't do an Indian accent. That was way better than what I could even like attempt, so that was pretty great. There you go.

Speaker 3:

So WKFL stands for wisdom, knowledge, faith and love. And this was supposed to be in place of the sign of the cross. So thinking people doing the father son, Holy Spirit, right? So instead of father son, Holy Spirit, it's wisdom, knowledge, faith and love. Okay, Okay, Wisdom, knowledge, faith and love.

Speaker 2:

These cult people always just take all their shit from someone else Like they can't even think of their own stuff and then they just change it to fit their needs. Yeah, it's so stupid, it's so weird.

Speaker 3:

It's so weird. Be creative, right. Come up with some new material, right. So he then tells his followers that he is actually Jesus Christ reincarnated. Oh God, okay. So he says he was transported from Nepal to the United States in 1914 when Francis Pinkovic was just a three-year-old little child who had actually died. He was dead. He found Francis, or was drawn to Francis, because he had recently passed away, and so he just took over his small body and just waited to grow up into the man to reveal his true identity. So he's been living in this little boy's body and had to go through hell as a child, and then he just started his humanitarian stuff in his religion so he could gain followers and let them know that he was actually Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2:

Okay, wow, that's, I mean that's, that's a lot right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

That's a lot. It's a lot Even for a cult. This is a lot, yeah, I mean sure. So he starts to try to expand his message and he ends up booking a speaking tour in Europe.

Speaker 2:

How the hell does he get all these speaking tours Like I want to book a speaking tour.

Speaker 3:

I think back then you could just literally, I mean you probably could you just book a venue and put out some flyers, nobody would come.

Speaker 2:

How is he getting people to come? Because it's weird. Yeah, it's a freak show.

Speaker 3:

It's a freak show it's a little more theatrical. And people are like this dude thinks he's Jesus Christ and he thinks he's from Neofrades. I want to see this. I would go see that?

Speaker 2:

Are you kidding me? Yeah, I would too.

Speaker 3:

I would pay to go see it 100% yeah.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I mean, you just got to be a little bit more eccentric, I think, outside the box, yeah, all right, or you could just copy him and start your own thing. Yeah, and it would probably fly. You could probably say well, I'll get to that at the end, never mind, I'm not going to ruin this. So they hear him speak in Europe and basically tell him he's full of shit and to get out of their country. So it doesn't go well. Okay, so at that point he just focuses back on the United States because we're like yes, yeah, so great. So during one of his tours and I think it was when he was in Chicago the Better Business Bureau interrupts his regularly scheduled talk to bring the public an important announcement, which I was like the Better Business Bureau. What did they have to do with any of this?

Speaker 2:

I think they were a thing back then. Apparently they were.

Speaker 3:

Okay, so they listen, guys. Krishnaventa is not the man you think he is, and they sort of put him on blast and air all of his dirty laundry.

Speaker 2:

But they come to the speaking, they come to the venue.

Speaker 3:

They come to the venue and basically still the mic and they're like check mic, check, check, everyone listening? This guy's a fraud.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 3:

He's just there for your money.

Speaker 2:

Way to go BBB yeah.

Speaker 3:

Right. So they are telling him all about how he's been arrested as like a petty criminal in the past for theft and fraud and all kinds of stuff. How he has this failed marriage. How he hasn't paid his previous wife the child support she's owed. How he's taking your money but he's essentially like a deadbeat and not to give him your money, like don't give him any more money, right coming to his talks. Quit supporting this bad behavior. He's a bad guy. He's a scam artist Just stop.

Speaker 2:

But people are like this is awesome.

Speaker 3:

So they continue to follow him and eventually, even though he isn't speaking at churches, right, and people are coming and paying for him to see him speak. He's like talking about religious stuff. So he starts passing a collection plate around and telling people that they need to pay their tithing of 10% of their earnings.

Speaker 2:

Where did this come from? I don't understand. Is this all churches, all Christian churches?

Speaker 3:

For tithing. Yeah, I think most Christian churches have 10% tithing.

Speaker 2:

I know it, like you pay, but like why did they just pick 10%?

Speaker 3:

I don't know how that number came about, okay, anyway, but I think it's very common in most Christian religions to give 10%, okay, sure. So it's always like save 10%, give 10%, okay, at least that's what I've always heard. I don't know. And so. But he just starts guilting people. He's like listen, you need to do this. And they do.

Speaker 2:

They just start filling up the collection plate man. I mean, we're pretty like easily led these days, but like back then too, like people I felt like were so much more just naive with like everything because we didn't have TV People didn't have a lot of money, we didn't have yeah, like we shouldn't have anything. Like that's insane.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so you're already paying to go hear him speak.

Speaker 2:

And then he essentially is like and, and FYI, I need 10% of your earnings. No.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's crazy, wow. So eventually he moves back to California with his followers which is said to be about a hundred people, and he and his followers were known to be very humanitarian and they start doing lots of good deeds in California. They all start dressing in robes and they walk barefoot and all of the males had to grow out their beards and hair. So, they look like a cult.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I don't know why that was like such a thing, right.

Speaker 2:

It's cults like yeah, Like I don't know either.

Speaker 3:

What is, what's the purpose of that? I don't know. I'm sure it's like the religious aspect with what was the person that couldn't, wasn't supposed to cut his hair.

Speaker 2:

I have no idea it would bring you bad luck.

Speaker 3:

What was that? Anyways, that's that part of like the Bible.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

Okay, anyways, and then the female wardrobe looked like what you would almost like, what you would picture a nun wearing. Now, okay, and I'll post pictures, of course, but so all of the women have to dress in that. So, like their hair is covered, their faces are open, but it's like a nun essentially, with like a dress and then like the long head thing.

Speaker 2:

Okay, kind of like a hijab, yeah, and the they are from Nepal, so True, there you go.

Speaker 3:

In 1956, the movement expanded to Homer Alaska.

Speaker 2:

It sounds like oh wow, homer Alaska, that's a pretty.

Speaker 3:

If you're going to walk around in robes and bare feet, shoes on, and you your main office is in California, you might want to pick somewhere warmer than Homer freaking Alaska.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, why don't we just stay by the coast there Oregon, Seattle, like someplace where you're not going to?

Speaker 3:

be like.

Speaker 3:

A little bit of local expansion first and instead of going to Alaska, I don't know. Yeah, so he does get a fall, small, a small, small following, a small following in Homer Alaska, but it doesn't take off quite as well there. Right, as you can imagine, people are like my feet are real cold, sorry, I think I need some socks. This might not be for me. In order to join, the members had to donate all of their worldly possessions and all of their money to the group, like we hear all the time with Colts. Yeah, they're like listen, everything you've worked for your whole life just give to us and then you can be part of our group. Which, okay, people are just like okay, yeah, they're like. You know what? I just want to belong. This sounds great.

Speaker 2:

How bad do you need friends? Seriously, no, thank you, I'll keep my house in my couch what does? That have to do with it, right? Good, I have a comfy couch. I'm just going to keep that. So, never mind, I'll be friends with myself.

Speaker 3:

I almost said I'll play with myself, and then I realized that didn't sound right.

Speaker 2:

That too, because I don't want to do anything with any of you weird cult people, right? No? I don't want to do all of that by myself.

Speaker 3:

I'm good. Okay, anyway, so they all lived as like a big commune where they share everything, and this wasn't a big deal to most of his followers, because a lot of them, like we talked about, don't have a lot at this time. They're just coming off of the depression and of war. And there's like not a lot happening in our country at this time that's good, and so they don't have a lot of money or possession.

Speaker 3:

So they're like well, great, sounds good, sounds good, you can have whatever I have, which isn't much, and I'll be a part of your group. So collectively they raise goats and they have large vegetable and fruit gardens and then they make homemade breads. So they essentially live off what they grow and then sell or trade other things for anything else that they need. So they work six days a week but nobody works outside of the commune. That's all. Everything is done in the commune. So they make and grow their own food, everything.

Speaker 3:

They start helping out with the local fire department and I mean I guess California has always been known for fires because it sounds like there's like lots of fires in this area and Krishna even ends up taking a class on how to properly put out fires. And at one point there's like a plane that crashes nearby their commune and Krishna and his followers act as first responders and they rush out to the plane crash. They're the first people there and they help the survivors and carry them to safety. It's like a very organized survive, like rescue. So the locals just think these people are great because they're like the first responders. You don't have to pay them anything.

Speaker 2:

They're super friendly. They just want to help out. So weird now, though, if you were playing in a crash and when you're like coming to, there's all these Jesus people yeah, there's like 20 people in yellow robes and no shoes, with their hair all grown out, and then they carry over to their commune with some goats and nothing else and some tents. I mean it was super nice of them. I don't have to say like super nice of them to help and do that.

Speaker 3:

But right, it would be weird. I mean, I guess in that situation I'd probably just be thankful for it, but afterward I might be a little judgy, like wait who just rescued me.

Speaker 2:

This is so weird when?

Speaker 3:

am I? Where are the hot firemen? Hello yeah, this is not what I signed up for.

Speaker 2:

I've seen those calendars and you guys are not in them and please don't take off your robe and show me what's under there, because I don't want to see it.

Speaker 3:

Nope, anyway. So overall the cult isn't really hurting anyone, but there's definitely a lot of tension building within the commune. So they live there. Their commune is on 25 acres in Box Canyon, california, which is like literally not that far from LA. It's like right outside of LA, okay, but like you get outside the city and then it's like all this land. So they live in tents for a long time until they eventually build two dormitories, and there's one for males and one for females. Krishna has all the control of every aspect of the commune and he is known to roll with an iron fist.

Speaker 2:

Don't they all?

Speaker 3:

He often berates his followers if they didn't do exactly as he asked, and he made them all call him master, and if someone dared to question him or his authority, he would simply say I am your shepherd, you are my sheep. Okay, if somebody said that to me, can you imagine where you're like? Should you really be doing that? Krishna, master, master, master, krishna, I am your shepherd, you are my sheep. I mean, do what I say.

Speaker 2:

I can't imagine that, because I would. I don't think I could ever be an occult because I'd be like you guys are fucking weird and I like can't, I cannot get behind, whatever the hell it is you're doing. No. But these people get like. So brainwashed, right, these adults.

Speaker 3:

So quickly I decided that any place that I can't have an opinion is not a place for me.

Speaker 2:

I mean they tell you like not to be judgy and like not to, you know, think like that of other people, or like don't judge a book by its cover, but like I think that's what saves you from not becoming part of occult, because these occult people and like I would be super judgy in the beginning. I wouldn't be like he's so amazing, I'd be like what is what is happening? He is so weird, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Just like we talked about the one cult where they like gave the lectures right, Nexium, yeah nexium. And we're just like what, what could you they possibly say in one or two lectures? That makes you be like oh yeah, I wanted, I want to do that.

Speaker 2:

And some of those lectures were like so weird Remember, like the ones he was doing to the guys and it was like I can't even remember, but like they were just so bizarre the things he would say, and I was like how are you sitting in that going? Like yeah, I would be like, oh my God, I would go home and just like I went to the weirdest lecture today Me too. This guy, like you, wouldn't believe it's so weird but, I, wouldn't, be like.

Speaker 3:

I want to be your follower, like it's a fun story to tell your friends after how weird stuff was, but not be like they're never going to believe. I met Jesus Christ reincarnated and he's actually from Neo-Fridis and then Nepal and he crash landed here on Nepal to save us and that's how humanity started and you have to join. It's like amazing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, like how do you say, how do you say all that he found a dead three year old and took over his body and then he waited all these years just so he could tell us this whole story. Like how do you say that out loud and you're not like okay, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3:

Sometimes, when you say things out loud, you're like oh yeah, I hear it now, I hear it now. These people don't? They're like come join us. It's so amazing. It's amazing, yeah, no, no, this is weird, so weird.

Speaker 2:

This is real, real weird. And he's wearing yellow robes and like has long hair and doesn't wear shoes, so he's not wearing shoes. That's my first sign to be like nope, right, put some shoes on your feet. Your feet are gross. Your bottoms of your feet are really dirty, yeah, gross.

Speaker 3:

Nasty, and he also is the one who decides who's allowed in, where people live, where the money is spent. He even arranges all of the marriages of the people and he will only allow weddings to occur one day of the year, the most important day of the year, his birthday.

Speaker 2:

On March 29th. He means Francis's birthday, because it's not his birthday, right? And where is the money coming from?

Speaker 3:

They don't work out at the commune, the followers when they come, and then they give all their money subway dot com. So it's not much. It's not like it's a rich cult Okay.

Speaker 2:

It's not like the Exio, it's kind of like the cold Gosh not, I just lost my but it's enough to one here where they jumped off the hotel. Yeah, because they didn't have a lot of money either. Yeah, David.

Speaker 3:

It's, but it's enough to keep them going. Yeah right and like those people also were like nice fancy hotels, nice dinners. Same thing, same thing in this.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, just came from, like the followers like, oh, come and join and give us all of your money, yeah, and then they would yeah, and then marriage is not to be for any sexual pleasure, because nobody should enjoy that Except for hand over.

Speaker 3:

Oh of course, but so he's known to go around the commune and sleep with whomever he wants. And listen to this, I died, I died. He actually has a station wagon. So remember, they live in dormitories, right, uh-huh? And or tents. So he gets this old-ass, broken down station wagon and the only thing I could think of was like the og shagging wagon. Yeah, because that's where he pulls his ladies to bed them is in the station.

Speaker 2:

I'm sleeping in the car. Yep Gross.

Speaker 3:

No, uh-uh, nope. Really I was like shagging wagon. It's got to be where it came from and I am sorry.

Speaker 2:

His dick has been in everybody there and you're just gonna go freely sleep with him. And has he showered in between? Does it smell like someone else? Is there like I'm? Sure he hasn't are you tasting Another person like? That's disgusting. That is disgusting and I don't want, I Don't like, I don't want and I don't want to share bad juice no well via your wiener.

Speaker 3:

No from some from multiple other chicks.

Speaker 2:

No, this is how STDs spread so quickly. Amen, sister, I think no that's our religion right I. Am all for, like you, doing what you want to do, right, you're a single person and you just have your. But be safe and don't be gross. Yeah and I just don't want, I don't want to sleep with you if you're sleeping.

Speaker 3:

No, and he's not being safe, right? I mean, back then they don't even think they were safe Did they even have condoms back then.

Speaker 2:

I don't think they did no, and if they did, no one was using them because they didn't. No, they didn't, it wasn't. It just wasn't like practice that way, you know yeah, he's just gross.

Speaker 3:

He's gross thing, but I feel like that's common in a lot of cults, right? Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they just like, yeah, they just want to sleep with everybody, yeah and all these women are like okay, and for him it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3:

I mean, like most cult leaders, it doesn't matter if they're Married to another man, because all members agreed to give up all of their worldly possessions to him and in his mind, a female is their possession, so that includes your wife.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I'm sorry, I will just say this if I, tomorrow, jesus, comes to me and he is like I am here and I'm like, oh my god, like no pun intended, like you're really, it's really you, and then he was like I, I need to have sex with you, and I would just be like no, I don't want to have sex with Jesus. It would be so weird and so not. Okay, I don't want to have sex with my weird Jesus cult leader. Right, like I, just don't. I don't want to do that.

Speaker 3:

Well, and I feel like in your mind, you always think of him as being like a pure person, right, like not wanting to go have orgies with everyone in your commune, like. To me that's like furthest thing from Christ, like as you could get sleeping with every woman you possibly can right like to me that doesn't it.

Speaker 3:

I've never understood that about anything, because most religions the Christian religions Are don't have sex before marriage, only be with your spouse, your partner, you know, yeah, but all of these like take it to this next level where it's like that's why it's your own religion, because you couldn't follow normal Christianity rules.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, right, cuz you just want to be in charge and be able to do whatever you want. Yeah, whenever you want.

Speaker 3:

However, you want yeah and that's not a thing with religion. No, so you can say it's your religion if you want, but anyone can say they have a religion. Right, I mean that, make up all their own rules. Yeah, it's still gross. It's so gross, it's still real gross.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, you keep your dirty. And back then there was like they didn't have grooming standards. And they're living in the hottest desert of their intense and these go big old bush, and it's just everyone's love juices.

Speaker 3:

Say love juices and sweat all crunchy. Oh, that's where granola came from. Oh, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. That is so gross.

Speaker 2:

Now I need, I want to meet a woman who was part of this poll and I wanted to tell me If that was all true, because I feel like it's 100% true. Yeah, so well, and to me this is maybe taking it a little too far.

Speaker 3:

But probably not. I feel like when you're like in the heat of the day and when vagina sweat, it's not a pleasant smell. I mean, it's just not, it's just.

Speaker 2:

It's like musty if you're not clean, when you're not showering every day. I'm showering day, so Sweating and sweating, and sweating for days on end. I'm a big girl and I get sweaty everywhere.

Speaker 3:

So I don't normally have smells because.

Speaker 2:

I'm showering every day, but if you're like, it's not like.

Speaker 3:

It had to have not smelled pretty. No, no, I had to have smelled, like everybody.

Speaker 2:

And they're sweat. That's so gross I can't yeah, okay, I'm moving on.

Speaker 3:

Because it's actually grossing me out. I'm just getting more intrigued because I need to know like what's going on?

Speaker 2:

so sick, so this is something that really started to bother a lot of the men in the commune because they start looking around when he starts Like sleeping with their wives, then

Speaker 3:

they start looking around and they start realizing how many more men there are or how many more, I'm sorry young women there are to men, mm-hmm. And Krishna Continues to recruit people, but he's like recruiting more and more young, younger and younger women, and he even recruits this full-blown young model which I could do. I mean, he recruits this full-blown young model which I could not find her name, but it says that she was one of his favorite people of course.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and so he would always take her to the shagging wagon Like he. She was one of his favorites, he doesn't even have a room.

Speaker 2:

No, it's taking you to some old home.

Speaker 3:

Think of in the summer when you get in the car it's like so hot and muddy. Can you imagine the?

Speaker 2:

smells in there from over there. I was just gonna say like the love juice, as you described it, ever walked into your own bedroom like after. You're like smells and, okay, like, for me and my partner it's like smells like yeah, like candy, yeah, it's like, oh, it smells like us in here, whatever, but it's not like gross, because it's us, right, yeah but when you get like I, walked in my bedroom and I hadn't been having sex with anybody and it smelled like that.

Speaker 3:

I would be like to people. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

What is happening in here?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's disgusting, you know. And then it just like ferments in the heat.

Speaker 2:

Stuck in the seats when you like. Sit down like puffs out.

Speaker 3:

Stop it or crackles Ew ew ew. Okay, so another issue for several people was money. So Krishna started paying his child support that he hadn't been paying to his first wife From the cult's communal money.

Speaker 3:

Because he doesn't make anything else, so he's just like Using that to pay for his child support. He's using that to travel all over Um and do his speeches, he would claim. He claims that he doesn't enjoy like frivolous things, but while he's away he always stays in fancy hotels and he goes gambling. And when I say he's a gambler it wasn't like me who, like I'll go once in a while and budget like a couple hundred bucks.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 3:

He was like high roller, and it in one. At one time he claimed to know Like everything, and so he was like I can win at gambling because I know all, but he just lost all the time. And once he lost $3,000 at a craps table, which in 1951. Do you want to guess how much that's equivalent to today? $3,000, oh, I have no idea. $34,892, okay.

Speaker 2:

On a craps table.

Speaker 3:

In one night. I mean, but listen to this, because it gets even better I had no clue.

Speaker 3:

This was a thing, okay, apparently, back then in casinos you could just write a check, like you could write a check and say, hey, I'm good for this amount, and they'd be like, okay, here's your ships. And then at the end of the night, if you lost, then they had to clear the check and so his check wouldn't clear, they couldn't cash it because he didn't have that amount. He just wrote the check for that amount, thinking he was gonna win, and he didn't have it.

Speaker 3:

So, so His commune had to come to the rescue and pull everything that they could together and they settled his debt for less than he had gambled. So he gambled $3,000. It doesn't say what they, what they settled on, but it was essentially like if your house goes into foreclosure or whatever and you're like, hey, we'll give you this amount to settle our debt, even though we owe this amount or like I don't know if you have high credit card debt Right.

Speaker 3:

Sometimes I'll do that like where you'll say, listen, I can't pay $50,000, but I'll give you $10,000 right now and we'll call it even. And they're like you know what, we'll just cut our losses because we want to get something. Rather, than nothing, yeah, and that's what the casino did. Wow, okay, which I don't know how common that was, but I was like what Is that really a?

Speaker 2:

thing. I mean I hope it didn't take him very long to be like we shouldn't let people just write checks, because Right, because.

Speaker 3:

I mean how?

Speaker 2:

much money we're losing, yeah, but maybe most people.

Speaker 3:

I mean that they're not losing money. Really they're so gaining money. They're gaining a shit ton of money. So yeah anyways. So I thought that was an interesting tip because. I was like excuse me what.

Speaker 2:

I want to go do that I just want to write a check.

Speaker 3:

Hey, I'm good for a three grand.

Speaker 2:

I feel like, I feel like my mom probably did that.

Speaker 3:

I'm good for $35,000. Here you go.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, my mom. We did a trip to Seattle when I was before I was married, so probably like at 18. It was me and Shane and my sister and my mom, and I'm pretty sure that most of that vacation was paid with Not good checks. Yeah, I think that's. Yeah, I think that was.

Speaker 3:

Or my mom was banned from having a checking account at most banks in our city, oh yeah, there's more than one time where my mom, just couldn't.

Speaker 2:

Couldn't use the bank because the ones she had were so overdrawn that like, yeah, there would be all of her money, and so like you she sucked at money so bad.

Speaker 3:

Yeah so he begins preaching that the us Is going to have this big civil war soon, where all of the blacks will team up with russians.

Speaker 3:

I don't know where the russians are always the bad guys but russians, and they're gonna all band together and come to kill all the white people and he claims that this will be successful. But when the russians being unreliable, after the war is almost over between the blacks and the whites, they'll turn around and kill all the blacks to take over the us For russia and turn it into their new motherland.

Speaker 2:

I mean we were having some big issues with russia back then. But why would the russians want to come and kill white people? They're white.

Speaker 3:

Well, they wanted to really just take over, okay, so that was like there, white people dead, and then right, kill the black people and then they can take over, and this would be the soviet union Yep part.

Speaker 3:

Do exactly exactly good plan, right so, but christianus followers would be hiding in a safe, unknown location, and once the brunt of the war is over and so many people are dead, they'll rise up and they'll take out the remaining russians before new russians can come in. And then they'll start their new world that's full of love and acceptance and peace, with him as their messiah.

Speaker 2:

Well, of course, I mean, he does have a magical shield that can hide a big giant um spaceship, so right, I can hide his followers.

Speaker 3:

Sign me up, sign me up. So, with all this turbulence within the cult, there's two men one is named peter caminoff, but he goes by elzaba oh, elz, elzaba, okay. And ralf mueller, aka jeroham, and these guys are just pissed off because christina has been stooping their wives and left the cult. So they left the cult and they tried To go to police and they tried to tell police that christina was a con artist and they needed to be stopped. And the police are basically like, listen, we got to have some proof. Yeah, go find us some proof and come back when you have something more than just your accusations, yeah.

Speaker 3:

And so the two took this as a challenge and they end up driving to the compound on december 10th 1958, carrying a duffle bag full of 20 sticks of dynamite and a detonator. They walk into the monastery and confronted christina and his right hand man. His right hand man was named cardinal, where the cardinal came from, cardinal gene shana felt, and minutes after this confrontation occurs, a huge explosion erupted, blowing the roof off the monastery, and this explosion ends up killing 10 people, including those four men. So christina, cardinal, gene, the suicide bombers. And it also had a seven year old girl and an 11 month old infant and then some unknown adults.

Speaker 2:

It didn't ever say their name.

Speaker 3:

So 10 people die. It also starts a rolling fire that ended up burning about 150 acres Before finally being put out, which I thought was like kind of like a weird thing, because they were like so into Putting fires out, yeah, then this explosion burnt 150 acres. Krishna had once said that he couldn't die, but then, earily, a few years before this happened, he predicted that violence would occur in the commune and that he would be killed. But he also told his followers not to worry because he would be resurrected in alaska and returned to them.

Speaker 3:

So don't worry, I'm gonna die, I'll be coming back, but I'll be back. Okay, and they were able to identify christina's body in the rubble in the rubble from a dental plate, and after his remains didn't come back to life, so his wife and followers like sat on his remains for a while, expecting him to like Resurrect, and it didn't happen. So then they buried him in valhalla memorial park in north hollywood.

Speaker 2:

Oh, like vikings yeah all hola valhalla memorial Okay.

Speaker 3:

That was kind of cool. Yeah, um, mother ruth would go on to lead the cults for a while, and what happens later is even more creepy. So 10 years later, in 1968, an ex-con would visit the commune and he really liked the ideas that christina had started. And this guy's also very charismatic and a great talker. He even tried to take over the fountain ears which is because they were yeah, they're called fountain ears and wanted to become their new leader. So he kind of puts in His hat and the ring for their new leader. But the followers were very loyal to christina, even in death, and they weren't having any of this. So they end up kicking him out of the commune and so he goes just down the road to the spawn movie ranch and started his own commune and one of the most infamous cults in history, and this man was none other than charles manson, charles Manson.

Speaker 3:

Yep, okay, so he had run ins with this cults, which I just thought it was really interesting, okay. And then there's some more eerie cult ties. So several of the members waited for close to 20 years after christina's death and then they jumped ship to another cult, the people's temple cults, where they were among those who jim jose jones convict, convinced to drink the kool-aid and died. Yeah with that.

Speaker 2:

So they went. They went. That one was in gana, he took them all the gana.

Speaker 3:

Yep and the fountain of the world cult sort of limped on awaiting the reappearance of christina. But when this didn't happen, in the 1980s, the cult finally ended.

Speaker 2:

Wow, some of these people really like it's hold on Crazy, it's nuts. That's insane. Do you imagine his first wife? She's like thank god right.

Speaker 3:

Dodged able.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, you can keep your child support, christina. I just don't want you around our children and your diseased penis.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you keep all that. Keep all that and, surprisingly, christina has still not returned in the year 2023. So it's a party. So now we're gonna get into the creepy paranormal ties that this case had to utah, okay, okay. So while christina was in utah for that brief time when he started his religious stuff, uh-huh, he lived in caseville, which is, for those of you not from here, it's about 25 miles north of solid city. He lived on land that was owned by the Kingston family, and this is where his Utah followers all lived. The.

Speaker 3:

Kingston's were a fundamentalist Mormon group who kind of broke off from the mainstream religion and they began practicing polygamy and also lived a communal life. So they were a little bit more well off, though than Krishna and his followers.

Speaker 3:

So they owned cattle and they even owned a coal mine at one point and they did pretty well for themselves. So in 1946 they ended up meeting Francis slash Krishna. He wasn't Krishna yet, but they ended up meeting him and they kind of bought into his ideas and allowed him to move on to their land. But the Kingston's didn't really feel like Krishna was legit. They didn't think he was Jesus reincarnated and they started to get some kind of bad vibes from him. Krishna also started to try to steal some of the wives from other men in the commune and that's eventually what made them sort of split ways.

Speaker 3:

But before Krishna took his followers and moved back to California and the Colts went their separate ways, he convinced them to build a large stone cross which had a large letter K in the center. Now K, it turns out, wasn't for Krishna, it wasn't for Kingston, but it was supposed to be for knowledge, which was part of his Colts symbol. So later on, when he moves back to California, he ends up having that WKFL symbol on everything and K is in the middle of it for knowledge. So it sort of becomes his logo.

Speaker 2:

His brand.

Speaker 3:

So he ends up moving back to California and most of his followers go with him. So he ends up moving while the cross is still being constructed. But eventually it's finished and the Kingstons decide to still erect it on their property. So they have this, all this acreage it's like farm country and they erect it right, kind of like in the middle, and it's huge. It's 20 feet high and 13 feet across and it's solid stone. Is it still there? Well, parts of it are. Now this is where kind of the myth and urban legend and just plain word of mouth gossip starts to run rampant. So word spreads about this cross and over the years people started sort of hiking onto this private property to get a glimpse of the cross because it was associated with this Colts Right Right. Stories got skewed over time and the rumor mill was that the cross just one day appeared and nobody knew how it got there.

Speaker 3:

So it's just this giant stone cross and it just poof out of nowhere. Stone hinge right here in Utah, that's right. Then there are even stories of teachers taking their elementary kids to this place, almost like it's a monument, and they would all just go like, look at this cross, like it was this amazing thing. And most of this was harmless and people went during daylight hours just to kind of see the mysterious cross.

Speaker 3:

But it also drew a lot of darker crowds and by the 1980s many people started coming here and worshiping the devil, doing spells and summoning demons. There were even some neighbors that chickens would get stolen and were used as animal sacrifices. Rude, I know, and several other animals like dogs and raccoons have also been found here, said to have been used for animal sacrifices.

Speaker 2:

Okay, I want to know the person who was able to catch a raccoon and sacrifice it without the raccoon eating its face off. Right, those are mean little buckers, unless you raised it as a pet Even then, which is even sadder, that you would sacrifice your pet, I had a teacher that had one that she'd had since it was a baby because it couldn't climb trees, and so she helped, like she helped rehab, like wildlife, and it was not nice and she had, was that April?

Speaker 3:

April Rubidow Uh-uh, was it not her name? She had pet raccoons, did she? She had?

Speaker 2:

a pet raccoon?

Speaker 3:

No, they had like fish, they were on like the fishery or whatever yeah so when we would go up to her, to their property, to see the fish hatchery when we were in elementary school and they would bring the raccoon or they would bring it down like, yeah, she had a raccoon that they raised from a baby.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, my teacher had one and she'd had it since it was a baby and it was mean and its name was Feisty and she would come to school all the time when I was in vet tech school. But she'd come to school all the time like bandaged up because her raccoon would attack her. Yeah no, I was like no, thank you, they're so stinking cute.

Speaker 2:

They are so cute, they're mean and their claws are freaking like long Someone brought in like a I don't know. We call them like a litter of them that they had found like a babies and they were so freaking, cute, so cute.

Speaker 3:

But but no.

Speaker 2:

It's a wild animal, let's just leave it in the wild. We have one that comes by our house all the time so like, let us set off our doorbell camera. And it is so fat it like waddles.

Speaker 3:

It is the fattest dress goes from garbage can to garbage can. It's so fat.

Speaker 2:

And every time I see them I'm like get out of here, you giant, you do not need any more food. No, and you're? They're mean, I'm afraid.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's going to attack one of the kids.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, don't be around here, please and eat its face off, right, yeah, no.

Speaker 3:

Nope. So the rumor that there? The rumor was that one of the farmers on the property, who had seven wives, killed his wives and buried them around the cross. Okay, like one day he just got sick of everything, I guess, and killed them all.

Speaker 2:

I had seven wives.

Speaker 3:

I'd probably go crazy too, right. Another myth was that he cut out one of his wives, like his favorite wife's heart, and placed it inside the stone cross, sort of like a makeshift tomb. And so stories began circulating that this place was haunted and many thought it was the female spirit of one of King or one of the farmer's wives. Okay, it became a hotspot for people searching for spirits and doing seances, and on February 25th 1992, several of the local residents heard this loud boom echo throughout the valley and in a sort of weird I thought it was like a weird kind of full circle experience someone had snuck down to the cross and blew it up. Oh, wow, which is like Krishna's compound blew up.

Speaker 3:

This blew up Interesting and the police were never able to figure out who had done this and no charges were ever filed. There were a lot of rumors going around that the cops were in on it and wanted to destroy the cross in order to stop the trespassing and the madness that had been going around in this area, but the cops denied having any involvement and to this day they have no idea who blew it up. Interesting, so some people say that it was like the devil itself coming to life.

Speaker 2:

There's like lots of stories of how this blew up.

Speaker 3:

But they did find pieces of dynamite. It was definitely man blowed up. Someone blew it up, but this didn't stop any of the trespassing or activity on the property and, honestly, even drew more of a crowd, because it was sort of this weird, ominous, mysterious event.

Speaker 3:

So the stone, rubble and the remains of the cross are still there today and people continue to visit this site.

Speaker 3:

It has become a very popular spot for teens to go hang out and kind of dare each other to do really stupid shit.

Speaker 3:

The owners have even opened up ghost tours, which they do in October, and over the years people have claimed to have a variety of very weird encounters at Kaze Cross at night, especially during a full moon. So lots of people have experienced an eerie reddish glow emitting from the cross rubble, almost like it's burning, and if you touch the cross it will burn your skin. So when you look at pictures of the rubble, it's like the cross that went laterally is still intact, so it sort of blew up the base of the cross. So there's all this rubble, but there's a piece, like a full piece, of the cross still there and one man claims that he lied on the cross. This was like during a paranormal investigation, because lots of groups go up there to investigate and he laid down on the cross and he ended up getting two upside down crosses that were burnt into his back and there's pictures of it. But you know, yeah, yeah, if that happened, that's really creepy because it's so creepy to upside down crosses.

Speaker 2:

Stop my paranormal investigating. Yeah, I'd be done. I'd be like, OK, I'd be done.

Speaker 3:

But people also say that they're able to see a woman's face that appears on the cross, and most people believe that this is the murdered wife whose heart was in the cross and her face only appears on her death date. Oh, ok. Well, she never says what her death date is, so I don't know what date that is. There are a couple of known suicides in this area and in 2005, a man went to the Case Cross and sort of right across from the Cross Remnants there's this big clearing and then there's this large tree and he ends up climbing up in the tree and he hung himself from the big branch and some local runners, because I guess there's people that just run through here for fun, because it is really pretty Like, if you see pictures of it, especially during the day, when it's not creepy and the ghosts are gone for the day, it's really pretty. So they go for these morning runs and so they go all the time and they found him that day like the next morning.

Speaker 3:

So the cops were really worried about copycats or having this repeated once word got out, and so the owners had them come and cut that branch down so nobody could hang themselves from it again. Several people have claimed to be drawn to this area by a voice whispering to them, and often it tries to draw them away from their group, trying to get them alone. Some people even claim to see a male figure standing in the clearing which Creepy.

Speaker 2:

Blah.

Speaker 1:

And if anything is whispering at me I'm not coming to it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, no, nope, no. The second suicide was just a few years ago, when someone on the property so this property is huge, so it's not just the Kingstons that live there anymore.

Speaker 3:

There's like little houses that people have bought or rent from them, and so it's like lots of different people Did the Kingstons still own it yes, the Kingstons still own it and so someone from the property went into a large orchard and he ends up shooting himself. Multiple people have seen a cloaked figure that is large and appears to be male and it follows them and when it gets close to you, it says to chase you down and run towards you really fast. No, no. And people believe that this is actually a skinwalker because it's close to the area where people will hear random animal noises and they'll also see red, glowing eyes. Yep Skinwalker.

Speaker 3:

So on the property is also an old house that burnt down many years ago and there's not a lot of information on the fire, but it's said that there was a young boy and a young girl in the house that both died, and people will hear them playing and laughing in the basement of the house. That's still there. So it's like the top floor burnt but there's still ladders that you can go down into the basement of this house and that's like a really big hotspot for where people go to do seances and so they'll hear these kids like playing and laughing.

Speaker 3:

Now, near the cross, there's also a well on the property and another legend is that that's where the farmer, when he, after he murdered his seven wives, that he threw their bodies in the well. Or some people say that Krishna, but that before Krishna left he killed some of his followers that didn't want to follow him anymore and threw their bodies into the well. But people have reported hearing moaning coming from the well, which echoes quite loudly, and they will also smell rotting flesh near the well and report seeing decaying corpses trying to crawl out of the well. No, yeah, no, nope. Other people will see red glowing eyes through the trees that are said to be at eye height of a tall male and for sure not hunched over like an animal. Several people have even seen these red eyes glowing and used heat sensors that they can see, like if it'll detect an animal or a human so they can see where it's coming from, but nothing is there.

Speaker 3:

Like they'll just capture these red eyes but then there's no other heat signature, which is like so creepy to me. One legend claims that the farmer, after killing his wives, buried them so their souls would be with them forever, and he summoned wolves to help guard their remains. And people hear very loud howling and animalistic noises on the property, but these people claim that they're not like normal animal sounds that are in this area.

Speaker 3:

They're more like guttural and deep, and some people even claim to have seen dogmen wandering the woods and claim that it's their eyes that are glowing red and that they're just protecting the remains of the wives. Okay, several investigators have heard loud footsteps walking around them and knocking noises coming from the woods, almost like something is throwing rocks at the trees or hitting them with a branch, kind of like you see, have you ever watched the show? There's a squash in these woods. No, okay, I can't remember what it's actually called, but they always say there's a squash in these woods. I used to love the show and it was so great. But one of the big things with sasquatches, they always hear like they knock on trees or they'll take a stick and like hit the trees with it and make a loud noise. So that's what people hear in this area as well.

Speaker 3:

Multiple EVPs have been picked up here and several investigators feel a demonic presence and feel that there is something that was summoned there. The owners still often catch people because it's like a working branch they have, like cattle, and everything.

Speaker 3:

So they will still catch people on the property and have to call the police pretty often. Oh man, one of the owners now claims that about a year ago he stumbled upon a large group of people that were all dressed in robes, chanting Okay, and he has even found people sleeping inside that well, oh, why, I don't know. Uh-uh. So he thinks that a lot of it's like the teenagers, then that's what they dare each other to do. I bet you can't. I bet you're not brave enough to go sleep in the well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, nope, I'm not.

Speaker 3:

That's 100% Nope. So they just end up calling the cops and the cops come out. All have to come out all the time to like deal with all of these people that are crazy. So there you go. That is all about K's Cross. If you're interested, you can go do a ghost tour in October.

Speaker 2:

Yeah we should do that. I think that would be pretty fun to do.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we should do that because I've never heard of it. Yeah, I hadn't either, and apparently it's like this huge thing, yeah. And there's all these cult ties and interesting. It's so weird yeah.

Speaker 2:

Bizarre. There's a place up on 7th East and Salt Lake around like 80th South not exactly 80th, but like in that area and I'm pretty sure that church is a cult.

Speaker 3:

And I can't remember the name.

Speaker 2:

It's really weird and I like when, every time I drive by it, I'm like that that cannot be a normal.

Speaker 3:

It's like it's got to be in car or something.

Speaker 2:

It's like it's got a weird name and it gives off cult vibes. So that's when I've often been like man.

Speaker 3:

I should look into that yeah we should just wander in one day. No, that scares me. What do you have to do to be a member? No, I'll go with you, we'll be fine. Two girls in a cult what can go wrong?

Speaker 2:

They're going to show us their crunchy bush. Oh, that won't be a part of the song Gross.

Speaker 3:

Anyone want some granola? No, crunchy bush.

Speaker 2:

Ew, nashed, nashed, you mashed it, you mashed it, krishna Gross Anyways. So thanks, micah, for letting me know about this, because I know you just wanted to hear about. K's cross but all the cult stuff came with it.

Speaker 3:

You are welcome for all of the other.

Speaker 2:

You're welcome for crusty bushes and things of that kind.

Speaker 3:

Yep the show. Well, do you have a picture of boobs on your phone right now? What is?

Speaker 2:

happening. I was going to show it to you after. Okay, it's a Facebook page. It's called Kirby Angels. One day I wandered onto it and then I started following it and people post random things. I just opened Facebook and it happened to be one of the things that was there.

Speaker 3:

So we're sitting across from each other and her phone's open and all I see is just this big giant. This is the original one. It's like this old lady.

Speaker 2:

Oh, she looks like a man, yeah, with big fake boobs and they're hanging out and it's pretty gross. She'd posted that online for people and then, when I scroll down, it was like if you have natural boobs, post a pic.

Speaker 3:

Okay, so she is wearing a bra.

Speaker 2:

It looked like it was like full on, no, but she just has like big old hangy natural boobies. Oh, there you go, it's just, it's an angel, Kirby Angels if anyone wants to follow, yeah, but usually the women that drop a pic and those of you have natural boobs drop a pic are scary, scary women. They're not people that you're like oh yeah, it's like women where you're like no, why, why did you, Mm-mm, Don't do that.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, that's why I don't go on those sites, because I feel like oh, I love them.

Speaker 2:

I get like so drawn into all of the horrific things that happen. But I just look at them like why would you post this on the internet for everyone to see? Like you're scary?

Speaker 3:

It's like a train wreck, it is. It's so bad. We totally would have gone to see Krishna speak. Oh, I totally would. I kind of wish we had some more crazy people like this because I want to go see here Some of this.

Speaker 2:

I would have went to like snake oil salesman. I would have like I want. I would have want to be a part, not like a part apart, but I wanted to like watch from afar for a while, because yeah. I'm just to report on it. I love all that shit.

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 3:

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Speaker 2:

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Speaker 3:

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Speaker 3:

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Introducing Ourselves and Apologizing for Delay
Child Abuse in Southern Utah
(Cont.) Child Abuse in Southern Utah
Paranormal Case and Cult in Utah
Francis's Bizarre Lectures and Claims
Krishnaventa and the Cult Commune
Cult Leader's Behavior and Practices
Krishna Cult and Its Connections
Paranormal Legends at Kaze Cross
Discussion About K's Cross and Cults