Cycling, Community, Counterfeits: From Podfest To Disney

A Bigfoot sweater, a heavy backpack full of mics, and a plane to Orlando—our year closes with the perfect mix of ride stories, travel plans, and one serious warning every cyclist needs to hear. We’re gearing up for Podfest, turning a living room into a studio, and cashing in on a DVC Moonlight Magic night that lets us skip the crowds and snag a few hours of park time. Along the way, we talk about how a smarter packing checklist, a better mic deal, and some SNL-worthy podcast jokes became part of our annual rhythm.

The community takes center stage with a sharp Listener Spotlight reveal: Mesa, Arizona, where ancient canals still inform modern life and towering saguaros are protected for good reason. That maps neatly into our revamped BRAG route-guessing contest—a fairer point system that rewards the correct town on the correct night, and a big bonus for the layover. It’s competitive, nerdy in the best way, and proof our listeners know roads we haven’t yet ridden. Yes, a custom jersey is on the line, but the real prize is the thrill of being right.

Then comes the must-hear segment: counterfeit bike parts. A recent $1.6M seizure of fake frames, bars, wheels, and components—some stamped with household cycling brands—reminds us that a bargain can be dangerous. We unpack the difference between knockoffs and counterfeits, why serial numbers can be forged, and how to protect yourself: buy critical components from reputable dealers or your local bike shop, verify serials, and second-guess prices that look magical. It’s not about brand loyalty; it’s about staying upright.

We wrap with our top moments of the year—post-ride honesty, “one more mile” lies, bourbon wisdom—and a simple truth: we may not be getting faster, but the stories keep getting better. If you’re here for community, safe gear, and a reason to ride tomorrow, you’re in the right place.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Year-End Kickoff And Holiday Banter
• 7:49 Orlando Trip, Podfest, And Studio Shenanigans
• 15:49 DVC Moonlight Magic And Timeshare Talk
• 20:09 Listener Spotlight: Mesa, Arizona Reveal
• 30:45 Route-Guessing Contest Rules And Points
• 39:15 Counterfeit Bike Parts: Risks And Red Flags
• 50:15 Community Support, Neighborhood Tales, And Coaching Jokes
• 1:00:45 Top 10 Leisure Moments And Gratitude
• 1:08:45 New Listener Spotlight Clues And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 2:49

Well, it's time for Road Adventures with Cycling Men of Leisure, the podcast for cyclists who understand that riding is not just about getting to the destination, but the experience along the way. Now, here are the original cycling men of leisure, Adam and Michael.

SPEAKER_00: 3:02

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Road Adventures of Cycling Men of Leisure for the last time this year. This year. Welcome, my friend. I am lucky to be joined once again with Mr. Michael Sharp.

SPEAKER_02: 3:22

Uh you are, in fact, Adam. Um, being the last show of the uh of the year for 2025, I'm wearing my festive Bigfoot Christmas sweater.

SPEAKER_00: 3:33

So oh, very nice. Very nice. I I uh I'm still in the Brad Brag contest mode, and so I I had to grab the Brag hat. That's okay. How you been, buddy? Good, good, good, good. Um just wrapping down the end of the year, and and government jobs are kind of interesting, aren't they? I mean, a couple of reports and and files and things like that. I don't know. I soon won't have one. Sorry. We're gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that. Um but end of the year stuff, and then they usually uh clean my office and like dissect it and get rid of all kinds of stuff, and so it's kind of good. My boss has humigate it. Yeah, for sure. Are you kidding? Left on the side bottom drawer. So uh how are you doing?

SPEAKER_02: 4:35

Uh I'm doing pretty good. Um, you know, getting ready for uh the festiveness of uh of the holidays and uh you know got all the shopping done and uh gifts are wrapped, and we are Sharp family is in the go position at this point.

SPEAKER_00: 4:50

Go for no go. Oh, wait, no, wait. Sorry. Sorry. We we are we are a go. All right. Uh did you get my list?

SPEAKER_02: 4:59

Uh your list? Yeah. Did you send it? Yeah, stuff to buy me. I mean, I I requested it several times, but I don't recall getting it. Did you send that to the right email? Uh well. I'll have to double check the spam uh sections of my uh email. That's probably where it's at.

SPEAKER_00: 5:23

I cannot tell a lie. This year I did not send a 42-page list of gifts that I knew you weren't gonna buy me. A, you didn't buy them last year, and then this year you've got a change coming up.

SPEAKER_02: 5:36

So I I got a I got a case of spam. I'll give you some spam. How about that?

SPEAKER_00: 5:40

Hey, all right. Well, why don't we uh talk about that? How are you? I mean, people want to know how's the search coming.

SPEAKER_02: 5:51

Uh we're still searching. Uh, you know, it's the holiday. Well, this is what I tell myself. It's the holidays. Okay. So, you know, are people really looking to hire people around the holidays and a lot of people are out and stuff? So uh I'm gonna chalk that up. But uh, you know, I've done the resume, I've redone the resume, I've kind of fortified that. I'm taking a couple of extra classes just to up my game a little bit. Podcasting classes? Uh no, but we will talk about that in a few minutes, actually. Good point. Not that I need them, but I got some recommendations for you. Um but you know, uh AI is big nowadays. I'm learning a little bit about AI, things like that, just uh, you know. So I have a base understanding of what it's all about. But um, you know, I'll really uh, you know, if I'm sitting here next next month at this time and uh, you know, things are not coming in, then I might, you know, freak out a little bit. But right now I'm okay.

SPEAKER_00: 6:55

Good news. You won't be sitting there in a month. Where will where will I be in a month, Adam? Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to Disney. So I uh that's right. I I sprung for some of the timeshare, and we are we are heading down to Florida.

SPEAKER_02: 7:18

And seeing how I'd already paid for the ticket and everything, might as well go. I mean, not gonna miss out on anything here. And if somebody calls me, I can uh take a call, do an interview, all that kind of stuff on the road. So that's not a problem. Um, no, it's our annual. I think we can call it annual now because we've been doing it uh a couple years. It's our annual uh cycling men of leisure week in Orlando.

SPEAKER_00: 7:44

Oh yeah, we do a little golf, a little podcasting. I actually fly down with uh very, very, very heavy backpack with all of the uh which I'm still surprised I get through TSA with that. But I mean it's nothing illegal, it's just really heavy and like it's it could be a weapon, but you know, uh to the all the electronics and microphones and all the good jazz. But um we do some some podcasting. We bring the cameras, we do YouTube right, right, uh right from the we have the full, we set up, we stay in a in a in uh Sarasota, uh what is it, Sarasota Springs?

SPEAKER_02: 8:19

Saratoga Springs. Saratoga Springs, the racing, that's right. Uh and we turn one of the rooms into uh actually the living room into a uh into a uh studio. Uh that was where last year we had the guy, oh I bet the FBI comes knocking on the door. There's the FBI who needed to do a visual check for some reason in the room and uh immediately saw that and turned around and left, and apparently that visual check was over.

SPEAKER_00: 8:47

So I I still wonder, did someone like across the way see the lights and then make a phone call? Because I lived in a hotel and my house was I told this before, but I lived in a house uh hotel and my house was destroyed. And they did have a rule that every two weeks they had to write to come in in the state of Michigan, anyways. Um that could probably be different depending on where you live, and and probably maybe Vegas is is sooner now after the horrible shooting there. I don't know. But uh I'll all seriousness, every two weeks I had to agree to let them come in and and see the hotel.

SPEAKER_02: 9:24

And I and I and I get that, that's fine, but housekeeping had already been in the room.

SPEAKER_00: 9:29

Yeah, I I just wonder if somebody made a phone call.

SPEAKER_02: 9:33

I saw the lights on where our room was, there wasn't anybody across. That's true. Now, what I'm wondering, here's what I'm wondering. If when the cleaning lady came in, she just saw all this, you know, boards and lights and cameras and podcasting microphones and stuff set up, and she like, uh, I don't know what's going on there. And so maybe that's when they wanted to, you know, check it out. I don't know. But anyway, it was it's a funny story.

SPEAKER_00: 10:02

It's definitely funny, but um, we'll uh we'll put a link uh to that show for sure. We uh we'll reshare that if you're curious about that. But yeah, we we um we do a thing. What else are we doing? We're gonna meet up with our good friend Armando. Excellent. Always good to meet up with Armando Armando. And I think you were leading to Podfest. So we're going to Podfest again. So our platform where we list the podcast, and and uh if no one's ever done a podcast, which is I think everyone has a podcast now. I mean the lady. I've got one, she's got one, everybody's got one. Hey, everyone's got a podcast. So um a lot of a lot of Saturday Night Live jokes about podcasts, like men don't want to go to the doctor. Hey, listen, why don't you want to go to the doctor? You know, so they're a podcast platform, but um we our platform uses um they they they are going to Podfest as a vendor, and they have their own our podcast, it's has its own podcast, and it's about um how to make your your show a little bit better or things that you could do, marketing strategy, sharing. And so they offered last year free tickets, and so uh this year we're like, well, if they put free tickets out, we're gonna go. So I emailed them earlier in the year, and they're like, Whoa, slow down, buddy. Uh, we're gonna be there and just watch for the email. But I have it on good authority, you guys will be selected. So I even told you back in the day, I have it on good authority, we're gonna be selected. So we waited, and sure enough, the email came out. And wouldn't you know it? A couple guys that I know are heading back to Podfest. Podfast.

SPEAKER_02: 11:46

Well, you know, the thing about it is the tickets, you know, are uh a little pricey, but yeah, you know, they've got all different speakers talking about different concepts in podcasting and growing your podcast and monetizing your podcast and you know, using comedy and storytelling, everything. And uh then they've got the big vendor area selling everything you could ever want for your podcast. Uh and it's like a four or five-day event, so it's like a major thing. Um, but you have to obviously, even if they give you tickets, you've got to fly down there and you got your hotel and all that kind of stuff. Well, it just ironically enough is the week that we go to Orlando anyway. So, I mean, it's not even anything that we planned, it just happens to happen at that time. And uh so we're gonna go do that. That's gonna be a lot of fun, and uh, I think we're we're gonna spend a little time actually at a Disney park.

SPEAKER_00: 12:39

Yeah, yeah, we are so for those of you uh as Franklin, here goes Franklin. Franklin's gonna tease me about being a Disney adult, but that's okay. For those of you who uh know Michael and I both uh independently, not together, but independently own timeshares at that would be kind of weird, wouldn't it? That would be really weird.

SPEAKER_02: 12:58

My family would be uh having questions and be very upset. So exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 13:04

We both own timeshares at Disney. Um it's kind of cool if you don't know about it. You can trade it with other companies and exchange it so you don't always have to go there. So it's kind of if you like timeshares, I mean that's up to you.

SPEAKER_02: 13:16

And Disney has other resorts other than just the park. Yeah, they got a couple of beach resorts, one in Faroe Beach and one up in North uh North Dakota, uh North Carolina. So they've got other things too. So for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 13:31

And what's funny is the older I get, the more I use it for like golf and stuff like that. I mean, before I would be like, go to the park, go to the park, go to the park, and now I'm like, I don't have to go to the park. Oh, you're still that way.

SPEAKER_01: 13:43

You're like a little kid that's like, oh, oh, we're here, we're here.

SPEAKER_00: 13:49

Oh, my sensor button still works. I love it. So um actually I was that way for a long time and then they just you were like that way last year. No. Okay.

unknown: 14:04

He was.

SPEAKER_00: 14:06

I mean, I do have an annual past, but see. But no, we're hopefully, you know, um podfest is kind of kind of cool. Actually, you capitalized on Podfest last year and upgraded your microphone. You got a I did, yeah, you got a heck of a deal.

SPEAKER_02: 14:27

I did get a good deal. Upgraded my microphone, so that was cool. And and the other neat thing is that uh after the Podfest last year, uh, we got mentioned like three times by the folks over at Buzz Route on like three different podcasts of theirs. So um they followed us a little bit. I'm not gonna say they're like listening every week, but they have followed us a little bit. So yeah. I I think and we followed them, so you know it's it it's uh great community.

SPEAKER_00: 14:56

Of course, and uh all kinds of good stuff. So we've got a good good trip in uh January, and uh I think we're gonna get us a sign and we're gonna walk around with a sign that says, Do you need a business architect? And just keep every every restaurant, every golf course that we go to, and then they're gonna be like, What the heck's a business architect stuff?

SPEAKER_02: 15:17

I I should like the year that I missed my wife's anniversary. I didn't miss it. I was going on a ride, and I had that sign that said happy anniversary chastity, and took pictures with it all throughout the day, and then you know, did this big photo collage thing for her. But I could hook it on the back of the of the uh golf cart. You know, my contact information. Do you need a business architect?

SPEAKER_00: 15:46

I feel bad. We kind of skipped across something, and I'm just my mind is going back to it. We never said how we're going to the parks. The timeshare offers uh the DVC Disney Vacation Club offers a few times a year you can get in for free. They have what they call Moonlight Magic, which is like parties or whatever. And I waited today and we were selected. Well, I mean, we we happened to get in line fast enough. Everybody who's in line at first, if you're in line at the right place, you're selected. But so that's how we were able to go. And so uh, you know, they give you a free free ice cream bar or something.

SPEAKER_02: 16:21

And you get into the park for free after it's technically closed to the excuse me, the general public. Uh so you know, you get three hours, and obviously the lines are a little shorter, and you get a you know, kind of a way to say thank you to those DVC members.

SPEAKER_00: 16:36

So it's kind of cool. Because for a while there were people were complaining who were DVC members. You know, they'd say, Oh, we're we're we're members, and you keep taking away our rights. And then like, well, what can we do? Well, let's see here. We will screw everybody else and make them leave early, and then we'll sell the park out again.

SPEAKER_01: 16:54

So oh well.

SPEAKER_02: 16:57

You know, there's always gonna be somebody who's not happy.

SPEAKER_00: 17:00

So that's right. But I'm excited. We got a we got a pretty good trip.

SPEAKER_02: 17:04

We'll have a lot to talk about. We're gonna get a lot of podcasting done, and we're gonna learn how to do a podcast. So that'll be exciting. Well, good, because uh if after after three years, we might figure this thing out.

SPEAKER_00: 17:19

That's right. That's right. I uh we have a few, uh we'll get to that, but we have a few uh monthly supporters who bring their wallet. And when Michael said he's gonna be unemployed, I said, No, you're not. You got that second job. But remember, I get 50%. And then that's where he said the can of spam. But I tell you what, a lot of people join us for their favorite segment that you, sir, sponsor with your hard work. Ladies and gentlemen, it is now time for listener spotlight.

SPEAKER_02: 17:59

All right, that's right. Everyone's favorite time of the show, listener spotlight. Let me uh I'll tell you what the clues were, and then you can provide the guesses that we received. Sure. All right. Here are the clues. The city is named for a geological formation. It was founded in the 1870s. Canals have been an important part of this city since before or since prior to European visitation. Uh in this city, some indigenous plants are very protected. And uh this city hosts some big league entertainment if the season is right. So, what do we get for guesses?

SPEAKER_00: 18:44

So you remember the de Brim, right?

SPEAKER_02: 18:49

You know, I have nightmares about that thing. I just keep thinking it's gonna cease to exist, but it never does. Just haunts me.

SPEAKER_00: 18:57

I mean, they even sent me this beautiful pen here from the de Brim Company.

SPEAKER_02: 19:01

Next time I'm at your house, that DeBrim pen is disappearing.

SPEAKER_00: 19:04

Oh no, it's a beautiful pen. It's got a stylus on the end of it. It's nice. So, anyway, uh our team members and friends, Keith and Melanie, they also wore the DeBrim. It was, I mean, every time we took a picture of the four of us, you were outnumbered.

SPEAKER_02: 19:20

Anyways, so what he did was so basically they had fashionable cyclist, unfashionable, unfashionable, unfashionable. Okay, yeah, I'm good.

SPEAKER_00: 19:38

Well, uh, we did not have carcinogens and all had the most wonderful stylish apparent. Okay, it's not stylish, but it definitely helps out with protection. So, anyways, Keith said, I've never guessed after all this time of listening to you guys, but I think the spotlight city is Mesa, Arizona. Now, before we go on, I said, Well, thank you so much for guessing. And then he said, Melanie said I did it wrong. And I thought I thought first, I'm like, Well, you made a guess. How could Melanie say you're wrong? He said, Mesa is a geological formation. Uh major sports. Yeah, but the reasons. Yes, yes. Uh, major sport of spring uh training. Um, do you pronounce this S-A-G-U-U-A-R-O Cigaro cactus? Cigarro. Sigoro are huge and very protected, and the canals are over a thousand years old. Uh, there, hopefully that is all right. I and I told him, I said, I wish my wife never told me I was wrong. And so uh I told him thanks for the guess. So there's one guess, but in true fashion and form, our good friend and teammate Alex Bell, he says, Here's my guess. Tempe, Arizona was named after the Val of Tempe in Greece, a famous valley founded in 1871. The indigenous Hohokum people built extensive canals before the Europeans arrived. The Sigoro cacti and the native plants are protected by the Arizona law. Arizona State University is Division I school and has major athletic events. Now I need to come up with my guess for the 2026 Big Brag Big Brag route. Stay tuned, Alex. Yes, you do, Alex. So get that in. Any of our guesses correct?

SPEAKER_02: 21:31

Well, what the first thing I want to point out is that both of these people guess towns that are like literally 20 miles from each other. Thought that was interesting. I will say one of them got it right. Ooh, one of them got it right. Yes, because our city for listener spotlight for this week was in fact Mesa, Arizona. Oh sorry, Alex, but I'll give you half points, Alex, because you were only 20 miles away.

SPEAKER_00: 22:06

Well, I'll tell you what, hold on. Okay. Now hold on a second. Before you go on, I must say, since Keith has never guessed, at least in in document form, maybe like when he's driving in his car or whatever. But he's he's got a hundred percent percentage.

SPEAKER_02: 22:28

He does. He does. Now, what I want to know is it sounds like Melanie's a huge fan and she listens to it all the time because she knew the format. To send it in. Yes. Why didn't she guess is my question. I think it's a valid question. I want to know what you're what you're guessing. No, it it is in fact Mesa, Arizona, although Tempe's a very good guess and it's very close. Um canals. Uh he was spot on on all of his stuff. The Hohokam people settled in the area a thousand years ago, and they obviously desert, they built tons of uh canals, and some of those sections of the canals are still actually used today. Um, yep. So Groa cactus, heavily, heavily protected. In fact, if you cut one down, I mean, if there's one growing in your backyard and it's like, I don't want that there, and you cut it down, it's actually a felony. Wow. Well, I get it. Those cactus only grow in like one area of the United States and one area of Mexico, and that's the only place in the world that these things grow. So when you're watching a Western and you see the big Segoro cactus, like you always, and they're like, Yeah, we're here in Texas. Uh no, you're not. Or we're in California. No, you're not. You know, they try to. That's why you never see Italian, you know, spaghetti westerns with those big cactuses, because they're nowhere close, but digressing. Uh, and the city hosts some big league entertainment. If the season is right, yeah. Hoholkam Stadium is uh the cactus league's home of the A's.

SPEAKER_00: 24:11

So there we have it. Great job. So Alex was was really close with everything you said, but Keith was correct in the in the guest.

SPEAKER_02: 24:20

So Alex was only 20 miles off. That's it. That's nothing. So close. So close. Missed it by that much.

SPEAKER_00: 24:29

Well, as always, thank you, listeners from Mesa, Arizona. Thank you, all listeners, but especially this episode in Mesa, Arizona. And that was Listener Spotlight.

SPEAKER_02: 24:46

And remember for our fans in Mesa, Arizona, don't cut down any cactus.

SPEAKER_00: 24:51

Hey, what is the what is the cacti that you told me about that only grows flowers like every 200 years? It's like a little people had it in their lawn. You told me about it once, I forgot.

SPEAKER_02: 25:03

I told you about it once?

SPEAKER_00: 25:04

Yeah. Like uh it's like a cacti bush, and it's like ugly for like forever, and then like one time in its life it like blooms or something.

SPEAKER_02: 25:17

Oh well. That I don't know. So see, there's so much information floating around out here. I gotta shove some out to make room for the new stuff, and apparently I let that go.

SPEAKER_00: 25:30

Move those two off your list. Fair enough. Uh oh. The uh since I have my brag right across I may have talked about a sentry plant.

SPEAKER_02: 25:41

Oh, that might be it. That typically they only bloom in natural environment like once every hundred years.

SPEAKER_00: 25:53

I mean, look at what a sentry plant looks like, real quick. Hold on. I gotta cheat here.

SPEAKER_02: 25:57

You don't have any up in Michigan, I'll just no.

SPEAKER_00: 26:00

Are you kidding? They they would die. As does everything else. Oh, you know what? That what okay, that is century plant. That is it. Yes, yes, now that I'm looking at the picture. So yeah, uh, and it blooms like one time, right? Yeah, well, yeah. One time that you'll ever see. I hope. Uh, yeah, funny story. Uh, we'll get to the route guessing here in a second, but um I had a vendor working on some, I have a couple body cams for my drivers. They call it NEMT transportation, non-emergency medical transport. And it turns out it's cheaper to use public transportation um when available than it is an ambulance at 750 bucks a ride. But my people have to go into the people's houses and help them, and so for safety, um uh legal department recommended that I get body cams, anyways. So I got them, tested them, and um I had it pointing out the window because why would I want it pointing on me? And I'm on the phone with the guy, and he's like, He's like, Is that a picture? What do you mean is that a picture? And I said, Was the camera shooting at a picture? And and I go, No, it's pointing outside. He's like, You all got lots of snow there. I say, Yeah, yeah, we do. So I didn't know what he was where he was going. Welcome to Michigan. That's right. Anyways, back to the show. Um, route release uh contest. You and I and Franklin and Ron. Ron, the new domestic director of Brag with my Brag hat on tonight. Uh, we had a show introducing him to the to the listening and watching audience. They obviously use Bragg and Rights and Facebook and and and and announced him. Um Franklin's well, uh Franklin's still gonna be you know, it's hard to get good help these days. Um, but um I'm still looking for that. That's the guy who helped me set up my whole network. I should say, I should say anybody, I'm recording, but um Franklin's still gonna be there. He's gonna you know just kind of be the overseer, and um I like what you said. You're gonna be able to ride now? He's like, uh probably not, but um maybe maybe a little bit, but Ron is gonna be driving the boots, and in honor of Ron um coming on as the domestic director of Big Brag 2026, I would assume does that also mean that he's gonna take care of spring tune-up and all kinds of domestic? Well, he's the domestic director. You'd think so, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 28:45

Unless they move the you know, spring tune up to Peru or something, yeah. Ron's Ron's gonna handle it. Will that still be a 12-hour drive for us?

SPEAKER_00: 28:57

Sure. Um, but anyways, in honor of him, we had a we're having a contest. Uh lucky for us, this show does come out before the contest. You know, we you and I have done things before we record shows that come after contest ends, but not this time. Not this one. This is the last time you will hear us to be able to guess uh for the contest. But many of you, uh and I'm I'm only trying to be helpful here, many of you have uh taken the time to write Michael and I, but you're only giving us the start town and the end town. And I'd like to I'd like to make a peace offering. Uh, if you want to be considered for the contest for the actual jersey, we need each night, like hey, it's gonna start Saturday and it's gonna start in ABC land, and then it's gonna go into Sunday, into Monday, in the layover day. So we need to have each night um and where we're staying, um, where the where we're just gonna come into. And if you guess the the the overnight town and the correct night, that's 10 points. Uh if you guess the correct town but not the right night, that's five points. If you can show us that you got the layover town and pick Tuesday and Wednesday, that's 20 points. And even more exciting than that, if you can prove to Michael and I that you follow us somewhere somehow, whether that be YouTube or in the social media world, anything.

SPEAKER_02: 30:35

Uh I mean we prefer the podcast, but yeah, yeah, we'll we'll take any. Now, I'm gonna disagree with you just for a minute. What happens if someone's like me knows the route without a doubt, doesn't think anybody else is gonna come close, and I think I can win it by just guessing the first and the last day.

SPEAKER_00: 30:59

You can't. That's only 20. I mean, if you that'd only be 20 points. But what if I assume nobody else is gonna get 20 points?

SPEAKER_02: 31:10

Oh, and then I prove to you that I'm following you on social media. There's 30 points. What if I think I can take it with 30 points? Yeah. I think your point is, is if you really want the best chance, you're gonna guess every single night. Saturday night we're here, Sunday night we're here, Monday night we're there. But I'm just saying, if there's somebody out there that just, you know, thinks they got it.

SPEAKER_00: 31:36

Well, we are recording, I believe, next week, and then we'll be able to figure out on the we are uh lucky enough once again, last couple years, uh many of you have been so supportive and and listening to us uh put out put out our show with with Franklin normally, but this year with a with a new domestic ride director, Ron Ward. Um and they release their video at midnight, and then um that we're gonna put out like a dissection. Sometimes they do trivia, sometimes they give a little. I remember that old dirt farmer that we always talked about. Brazzleton Brazzleton, that's right.

SPEAKER_02: 32:18

Married up. Now the town's named after him.

SPEAKER_00: 32:20

That's right. Well done. So we're we're we are gonna record next week to come out on noon on New Year's Day 2026. But this is our last show for 2025. But man, has it been a great year? So it has.

SPEAKER_02: 32:35

We're still here, too. That's that's the big thing right there.

SPEAKER_00: 32:39

Um, we did get another guess. Um a lot of guesses to end in Columbus. I will say that. I mean, it's all over the place. Some are saying starting like East, uh, going backwards. There's one guess from Augusta to Columbus, which I thought was interesting. So um, but a lot of good guesses. And uh you and I, sir, will soon be designing a jersey after the new year. That's right. We will uh we'll do like a little spot, little maybe a five-minute you know segment of you know who was close. Maybe like maybe we could do like a third runner-up and then the actual winner, like who was closest.

SPEAKER_02: 33:23

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we'll we'll uh we'll do a whole thing around it. It'll be fun.

SPEAKER_00: 33:29

Um well, you sir, uh, you have something that I am I you teased it, you know, as as people probably guess, you and I get together a little bit ahead of time, do some homework, but you teased it last night. I was thinking about it at work today. I'm so excited. So I hope I hope the leisure community is excited. So you teased that you found something to do with counterfeit bike parts and a little bit of uh debacle, and I would like to hear a little bit about it.

SPEAKER_02: 33:59

Well, yes, yes, I did. Um, you know, back in my early days, I was uh trained and was an auctioneer, had an auction company with my father. And as part of that, I also trained to be a uh certified appraiser, personal property appraiser. And so I had people all the time calling me up about you know antique furniture and this and that. Well, one thing that I got a lot of is uh I wouldn't say a lot of, but every once in a while somebody would bring like high-end items. You know, it's like, oh yeah, we want to know about X, Y, and Z. And, you know, a lot of times it was um high-end watches. Uh a lot of times it were old railroad watches, like Walt Waltham, uh railroad watches. Uh, I had several times where ladies would call me up about handbags, like Louis Vuitton. And I got to the point where I could step in there, I could look at the bag, and in like two minutes I could tell them that it was counterfeit. Because there's just there's certain things that like these high-end makers do that counterfeiters don't do because it's an effort. Uh, and so you could look at it and it's like, nope, but that pattern is not right, and the lining is incorrect or whatever. And you could generally call it out. And of course, that's never a fun conversation because these ladies probably spent a lot of money on them thinking they were the real thing. Um so I spent a lot of time doing that. I came across an article the other day about counterfeit, and that's what kind of got me rolling on this. Um have you ever thought about counterfeit bicycle parts?

SPEAKER_00: 35:48

You know, that's what I was thinking about today, and and wasn't didn't Shram come out during COVID and repla I remember Joe had to get all kinds of parts replaced. I don't think it was counterfeit, I think it was just like the metal breaking down or something, and he was getting um uh bottom bracket and the sprocket and everything replaced for free. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_02: 36:24

Yeah, but I think I think that was just like wear and tear.

SPEAKER_00: 36:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 36:30

Honestly.

SPEAKER_00: 36:31

Yeah, so no, I've never heard of I mean it makes sense. I mean, um you know, people people buy things, they have no idea that it's counterfeit. I know what you're talking about. Like they used to have the handbag parties. I mean, hyperty. No, no, no, I'm not me. But okay. I think I mean I got enough REI backpacks to last you. I got one with 85 pockets and one with 65 pockets and one with 35 pockets. So um, but I I think I mean I'm sure they counterfeit anything, but man, that's just the idea, and I'm gonna let you get into it. But the idea of a counterfeit bike part, I mean, this is a device that you know a lot of people are really hurt on bicycles, so I'd like it to be a a structural sound part. You would hope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 37:24

Well, yeah, um like I said, when I started looking at this, um it was kind of interesting. And this item uh article just came out uh in like I don't know, just like a month ago. I was trying to find uh I had some stuff written down here. Um came out just last month, and it was with Specialize, and Specialize had gotten together with the Chinese government, um and then what is their their Amazon Ali, whatever what is it called, do you know?

SPEAKER_00: 37:59

And and China?

SPEAKER_02: 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 38:01

I oh is that is that Timu or whatever?

SPEAKER_02: 38:04

No, it's Ali something or other. I'm forgetting what it was. Oh, um AliExpress, that was it. So basically, Chinese law enforcement, specialized, and AliExpress got together and they wound up seizing$1.6 million million dollars worth of counterfeit bicycle parts. Wow. I shouldn't say bicycle parts, but bicycles, bicycle products. Uh, this was frames, it was handlebars, wheels, other components, and it wasn't all from specialized. Specialize is just one of the companies that was pushing for this. And um basically they found about$1.1 million in specialized fake parts alone. And uh Pennarella was on there, Trek, some of that stuff was found to be um counterfeit, uh, some sham components, uh, Shimano, uh, all this kind of stuff. And um that got me, I mean, I never really thought about it. And so I think I just wanted to make sure that everybody understands that there are companies out there that are making illegal parts that are branded Shimano, Shram, Trek, probably every uh high-end bike company you could imagine. And this is the frames down to brake pads, uh you know, the different components, wheels, tires, everything. That there's just companies out there that are slapping other companies on there, uh, on and then selling them at a discount. And so I wanted people just to really kind of think about that, that it it's not just high-end handbags or expensive watches. I mean, of course, bicycles get really expensive, as we both know, but it happens there. So if you're out and you're looking at eBay and it's like, wow, those components are super cheap, you might want to think twice because um it's not like they're taking, you know, specialized high-end or Shimano high-end components and they're putting their own name on them. They're building a component with, you know, not as good of metals and and that kind of stuff, and they're not probably calibrated as good. Um, so there's a higher chance of failure, you know, accidents, things like that that um you need to watch out for. So which gets us back to how we always preach. It's like, well, you know, you should support your local bicycle shops. It's a prime example. Because if you go in and they're a truck dealer or a specialized dealer, um, you know, you can feel comfortable that you're getting real specialized parts and that type of thing. Another thing that I read an article on is they actually counterfeit bicycle frames to the point where they pull off real, like they research and they find real um you know, numbers.

SPEAKER_00: 41:04

Wow, it's true.

SPEAKER_02: 41:06

Yeah. Um, so you're getting a bike frame that has actually a real number, but it's a fake real number.

SPEAKER_00: 41:14

Wow. So one of my employees just bought bought a camera from a very reputable site, uh, a site that I purchased from many a times. Got it in, noticed that the box looked a little bit different, didn't think anything of it, thought maybe this the company changed the box from this brand, and then kept looking at the manual and found it very odd that the English in the manual of a major camera brand was like seventh down, and then decided to call his credit card and say, I'm gonna be working with the company, but I feel like I've been I bought something counterfeit, and it turns out that the credit card had recorded that many of the same camera brand um had been counterfeited, and it was just, I mean, I just couldn't believe it. And I mean this is a website I've shopped at many times, and so uh, by the way, the website definitely was very helpful, apologetic, uh re returned the m the money, did not have any problems, but um, you know, they just have a supply supply chain line, I guess, supply line or whatever you say, supply chain that sends out the package, and uh they just they they you know, like logistics, they never actually touch the package package. But Very interesting. I just thought I would share that with you since you were sharing about uh counterfeit bike parts.

SPEAKER_02: 42:43

And and there's a difference between counterfeit and knockoff. And I mean you can get you know cheap everything out there. You can get cheap components and all this kind of stuff that aren't branded. I mean, that's not counterfeit if it doesn't have a brand on it. It's just some company makes them. They're not trying to tell you that they're made by Shimano or Shram or anything. Um they're just you know what they are. They're not counterfeit or anything like that. Um, but basically your two basic kinds are you have counterfeit and you have knockoff. Counterfeit are the ones that are trying to get you, the manufacturers are trying to get you to believe, yes, this is Trek. We got Trek's name on it, or we got Shram's name. So basically, they're taking a trademarked logo and slapping it on a product that they're producing. But then you also have knockoffs, which when I was doing a lot of the Louis Vuitton stuff, um, you know, most of those were like knockoffs where they would, you know, the logo wouldn't be exactly right. So nobody could get them for counterfeiting. They were just doing a knockoff bag of Louis Vuitton. You know, maybe the the material that's got the Louis Vuitton logo on it was a different color than what it should be. Uh, and the logo was slightly, you know, smaller or, you know, they do different things. So it's like, well, I'm not technically counterfeiting, it's just a knockoff, um, which is different. But this big sting that they had uh with the Chinese government and stuff, this was on counterfeit items, companies producing things, putting legit companies' names on it, and out there selling it as if Trek or Shram had had made this product. So just be just be careful.

SPEAKER_00: 44:26

You've got a big trench coat. I said there's a guy with a big trench coat, and he opens it up and he's like, Yeah, you need a sprocket.

SPEAKER_02: 44:34

Hey, I've got sprockets here. Hey, come on down to my van bound by the river. I've got some really nice uh handlebar tape. It's an I've got a menu. Oh, completely different story. We won't get into that one. But um, so you know, if you're out there looking perusing around, just be careful. I mean, a lot of people don't care if it's not the name brand. Um, but certainly if you know, if I'm buying a uh a name brand product, I want it to be name brand because then I have some some assurances that, you know what, these people are actually making this out of real material and they just didn't, you know, there's some really crappy, you know, tin in there, and it's gonna fall apart when I'm going.

SPEAKER_00: 45:20

Well, I appreciate you sharing that. Mm-hmm. I want to close out 2025 with some interesting things to tell you. Uh-oh. This is the top 10 cycling men of leisure moments of 2025. Oh dear. Number 10. Then this is in the style of David Letterman. Number 10. Still calling it a leisure ride, and somehow ending up with questionable decisions, missing turns, and at least one moment of this got serious real fast.

SPEAKER_02: 45:58

Yes, that's happened more than once this last year.

SPEAKER_00: 46:01

Definitely the questionable decisions. Absolutely. The Georgia Route Guessing Contest. Sometimes you and I speak about Georgia, and our listeners know Georgia Roads way better than you and I do. Oh, yeah. And are not afraid to call us out when we get something wrong. So that's happened once or twice, absolutely. The Cycling Man of Leisure jersey reveal. This is not for the contest. What I mean is when we like do the jersey reveal for when we go. Yeah, for the team. Uh proof that cyclists will absolutely ride harder in a jersey they earned. And yes, style counts, even at a leisurely pace. So oh absolutely. Gotta look good being leisurely. Bourbon wisdom segments where cycling advice turns into life advice, relationship advice, occasionally terrible advice, not approved by USA cycling.

SPEAKER_02: 47:00

Uh I don't know if we've given out really any terrible. Never mind. Let's just leave it at that.

SPEAKER_00: 47:10

The ongoing war against just one more mile, a phrase that never meant just one more mile.

SPEAKER_02: 47:18

Just one more mile is shut up before you, you know, go one more mile before you ask me that question again.

SPEAKER_00: 47:24

When the mic gets hot after the ride, the most dangerous recording window, post-ride, slightly dehydrated, overly confident, and absolutely honest.

SPEAKER_02: 47:38

That is true. That is the best time to get the true honesty about the ride.

SPEAKER_00: 47:46

Guests who accidentally became part of the Cycling Men of Leisure family. You thought they were just stopping by. Now they're reoccurring characters, inside jokes included, such as the menu that we just mentioned. So um, or lots of people who now are regular um members of the show. So I figured that was kind of funny. So Armando. Armando is a regular acting. Hey Connie, this is the official Armando segment. So um that's right. Uh realizing we're not getting faster, just better stories. PRs are temporary, stories last forever, and the coffee stops are undefeated. And if it's not coffee, I'll say Coke for you, sir. Coca-Cola. I appreciate it. Yep. We celebrated episode 75 this year, or close enough, that counts. Uh, let's try this to uh such as we you and I say, let's try this podcast. The people actually listen to this on purpose. Still wild to me. So I thought that was kind of good. Yeah, there it's questionable, you know, decisions made by some people, but yeah. Uh proving cycling doesn't have to be serious to be meaningful. No podiums, no pressure, just good roads, good people, and a reason to ride again tomorrow. Um if you're fast, slow, young, or old, or just here for the coffee and conversations. Welcome to Cycling Men of Leisure. So, anyways, uh I used AI uh in your class. Uh I joined your class, and so I figured I would use AI for our show.

SPEAKER_02: 49:17

So very nice, yes. Nice little wrap up there. Yeah, we've had a good year. Yeah, fantastic year. Um, had some great rides, met some great people, and we're we're still going strong. So um, that's cool. And and you know, we always want to let our listeners know and our supporters know that we appreciate them. They are what helps us get this done because without them, we're just two guys who get together every other week and set across from each other virtually and talk about whatever. So pretty much they give this whole thing meaning, and we we definitely appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00: 50:02

Absolutely. All kidding aside, I was gonna be a smart uh smart, but um pretty soon, I mean, you we might get together more. You won't be working now. We can we can we can have uh put out shows weekly. No, just kidding. Scratch that, scratch that. So no, we thought we've we talked about it. I mean, just to be clear, we've talked about you know more content, but I think with the quality that we like to put out and and and you know, not uh too much in your face, uh, we think that bi-weekly shows are good with some special things here and there. But um I do have a question for you before we uh get to your favorite segment. All right. What is your question? What does Emily uh Emery Norris, excuse me, Alex Bell, Kip O'Thor, Ryan Rohnick, Joe Grammar, Dennis Keeler, and Scott Garwick all have in common?

SPEAKER_02: 51:00

Okay, I know this one. These are all people who have opened up their refrigerators, looked in, closed them, and then reopened them with the hopes that there would be something different in there.

SPEAKER_00: 51:17

This is true. I know this is true. You're absolutely right. Uh, that's probably really is true. Um, I'm gonna say these are active supporters who are bringing a monthly amount uh to the cycling men of leisure and our show, uh, which all seriousness uh does help uh kick the can down the road for 2026 and will allow us to keep doing this. So I really especially without your without your current situation. So uh if you're thinking about being a listener supporter, now might be a good time. Um but we thank you all. If you if you do not have the ability to bring your wallet, that's okay. Um believe it or not, the reviews, whether it's a five-star, ten star, hundred star, whatever you whatever podcast platform you listen to, um can't tell you how much those help. And and um just thank you for all you all you that are doing that as well. So um you know what I should do?

SPEAKER_02: 52:16

Middle of next month, I should go out in my front yard on a lawn chair, set my equipment up, and podcast out there. I'm just panhandling.

SPEAKER_00: 52:26

Put a little sign out there right next to the driveway.

SPEAKER_02: 52:29

Yeah, podcaster unemployed, needs a job.

SPEAKER_00: 52:33

Good luck with that neighbor of yours.

SPEAKER_02: 52:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 52:37

Is that go-kart still outside still?

SPEAKER_02: 52:39

I actually took care of the go-kart. Somebody called the law on him, and uh, he got the little note from the city. It was not me. I'm not gonna say I don't know who it is because another neighborhood in the another neighbor in the neighborhood came over one day and chit-chatted me about it, and uh so I I knew that this was going to happen. And my neighbor probably thinks it was me, but it wasn't me.

SPEAKER_00: 53:06

And these how these things go, right? I mean, uh on I mean, all kidding aside, I I I know I've been a little bit of a slacker not coming to Kansas with our our cycling trips and stuff, but um I mean I was there for three trips and that and that over a couple years, and that that little go-kart sat in the side of the house and rusting away. So, and that's how these things happen. I mean, you live in a neighborhood, and you and your wife are are lucky enough to well, currently, I hope you're still lucky enough to keep it in.

SPEAKER_02: 53:36

Um not I'll be broadcasting over my my mother's uh basement or something, you know. Right, that's right.

SPEAKER_00: 53:42

Uh you do live in a nice neighborhood, so um, and that's what it happens. I mean, neighbors get tired of seeing that junk out there. I mean, you know, people spend a lot of time, energy, and you know landscaping. And look at me. I I'm no landscaper, but I mean, I I try to do my best, you know. So um, and then you got the one guy who's like, It's like, come on, man. I mean, get with the picture. Everybody else has painting and they're trimming and they're you know, whatever. And then you're like, Yeah, I got a bunch of junk out there. And so um hopefully, hopefully he gets starts to get the picture. But um, if not, he's now been officially warned by these cities. So oh boy.

SPEAKER_02: 54:26

You know, I mean, I've I if I was gonna turn him in, I'd have turned him in a long time ago because for years I've been on this zoning commission, yeah, uh the planning board zoning commission and also the zoning appeals board over the course of the last, I don't know, probably 12 years. Uh so I know all the codes and everything like that, and the list on his property is like really long. But you know, I'm I just want to get along with my neighbors. I don't want to be the guy that's like, oh, your fence is not to regulation or what. It's like, no, I'm not gonna be. That's why I've never called the police on them. I just they might think I have, but I know in my heart I've never mentioned it. But if other people come and they want to call the police, uh, you know, they're they're their own individuals.

SPEAKER_00: 55:12

So I believe that you and I have talked about it many times. So um, you know, I I do have one uh, you know, you and I ended last show um with a little football talk. So this is not a sports podcast, but you know, throughout the sports is leisure, though.

SPEAKER_02: 55:30

It is leisure, it really but we talk cycling, cycling's a sport.

SPEAKER_00: 55:33

That's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_02: 55:34

Uh oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_00: 55:36

Uh I I don't claim to be America's best football broadcaster, but um you said you've polished up the resume a little bit.

SPEAKER_02: 55:46

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I've uh polished it up, making it look nice.

SPEAKER_00: 55:51

And do you have anything on there about being a coach of football? Because I'm looking for one.

SPEAKER_02: 55:58

I see where you're going with this. You know, I could put down my uh coaching career with uh children's softball and t-ball, coach pitch. Uh and I've got I went to the University of Nebraska, set through many games, and they were national champions when I was there. But I've been many a game to Texas St. M University. And they have the whole concept of the 12th man. That's it's just ingrained in their thing that it's all this story, which may or may not be true. Back in the old days, one of their players got taken out, they didn't have enough people to play the game. So they went and pulled somebody out of the stands to fill that position so that they could finish the game. If that's not quite right, I apologize as a Tech Stadium fans. Something like that. It's been a long time. Uh, so their concept is complaints. Yeah, I know. Um what is it? Hashtag Michael's wrong. Yeah. Michael's wrong. Um, so they have the whole concept of 12th man. Everybody in the field is the 12th man, you know. And uh so I've got that. I could really build that up on my resume that I was sitting on the bench ready to go in at Texas AM at any given moment on numerous games.

SPEAKER_00: 57:13

Well, that's good. How do you feel about coaching a top five collegiate sports university? I would love to.

SPEAKER_02: 57:21

Now, most collegiate top five universities aren't going to consider me to coach, but I would love to do it. Yeah. Because it's not about coaching, it's about management. I can manage. It's about management, resource allocation, putting the right people in the right place. You got your defensive coordinator, you've got your you know, offensive coordinator, you got your special teams, you're just a coach. You just make all them work. It's business architecture, make all them work together as efficiently as possible.

SPEAKER_00: 57:50

I don't disagree with you.

SPEAKER_02: 57:51

You know, I'm gonna start taking. I can make this work, actually, the more I talk about it.

SPEAKER_00: 57:56

Do you have a clean record? Because uh we had the picture gate where we stole pictures and signs, and then but don't take away my national title t-shirt. And then we and now we got this guy who's every time I turn on the news, there's something more and more and more no pun intended, more and more and more. Uh, I didn't mean that actually, but um I mean this this is this is crazy. And then now the news said that, oh yeah, the wife is supporting him. Oh yeah, she's supporting him right now until we figure out where he's gonna go and where he's gonna go, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 58:34

So is she gonna have easy money, easy access to his money when he's in prison and all that kind of thing? So for those of you who don't know, we're talking about the University of Michigan, and their coaches have gone through uh several issues over the courses of the last uh few seasons here, and uh I think I could do it. Um yeah, I think I could do it. The only problem is would they let me live in Florida and fly up to do the coaching because it's too cold in Michigan? That's and could I coach from a box? Do I have to be down on the sidelines in the middle of snow and stuff? Can I just coach from up, you know, up from the box? Why do I need to be on the field?

SPEAKER_00: 59:18

So you you are very aware that my office is right next to the airport, and the booster, University of Michigan booster plane, does fly in and out sometimes of the airport. So I think you could get away with the Florida thing and come in for the games, but I don't think they're gonna let you go in the box. I think you're gonna have to be down in the field if you take the job. But why? Well, because you got to be on the sidelines because why?

SPEAKER_02: 59:41

See, you're thinking, you're thinking, see, you're thinking traditional. I'm talking a whole new way of coaching football.

SPEAKER_00: 59:48

You're not getting the University of Michigan.

SPEAKER_02: 59:51

No, no, no. We win, it doesn't matter. Uh, we don't care if he's on the field, is on the box. I could even turn it into telecommuting supporting the football. I just set it home like this and go, nope, guys, no, hey, come on, special teams. We've talked about this, and they could just put me up on the big jumbo cam during practice, yeah, and I could just be there like this big head up there saying, do it again, rerun that route again. I, you know, that would be hilarious behind the curtain. Just Michael's big head up there shouting at uh do it again. No, good job. We need to do that on Saturday.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:34

When Harbaugh got his you know NCAA um fines and and punishment for having to skip games. That's what we said. He's in a hotel somewhere going, no, get them in there, get them in there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:48

Um, the coach doesn't, I mean, you know, we just players gotta be there. Coach doesn't, as long as you know the plays are going in and somebody's keeping an eye on the defense and special teams.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:00

You know, we just need someone who's clean and cut and can beat Ohio State. I mean, if you can do that me.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:08

That's me.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:09

There we go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:11

Now, maybe I make sure the wrong plays are called when you're playing Nebraska, but other than that, I can beat Ohio.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:20

Do you know what? The world doesn't hate Nebraska.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:24

That's true.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:26

Um your guy, well, they are named after a worthless nut, so I was gonna say uh we love Ohio, we love the University of Ohio. It's we're joking. I was gonna say we're joking, Adam. We're joking.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:42

Yes, it's joking. What's where what is that voice in the sky? Look on the big screen, it's me. Yeah, shouting plays. For those of you who do not know, I have many, many, many, many family members who are direct family members who live in Ohio. And and it's and we love teasing and ripping each other. So um none of them like him, but that's okay. That's besides on their contact list it says Adam from Michigan. I'm like, well, how many Adams do you know? So you gotta make sure they brand you. That's right. Oh gosh, here he comes. Like, especially when they win, they're like, Oh god, they block me all day long. So um well, I just figured last show we talked a little bit about a football, and then of course the minute we did, I thought, well, there's your resume, buddy. 13 million yeah, you just gotta you gotta be clean and cut and do that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:38

My record's clean. I've got no, you know. I mean, I made some questionable decisions. Obviously, we've talked about that this year, but uh nothing that lands me in jail. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's good. I mean, you know, I went for that bike ride that one day and came up with a broken clavicle. That was a horrible decision on my part, but But was it?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:59

Did you put the hose out there? Okay, anyways. All right, ladies and gentlemen. Um I know that I speak for Michael uh when I say before we do this last listener in spotlight, thank you to our leisure community for a wonderful year. Uh appreciate everything that you know you guys do and and write us and and participate in the show and our shenanigans. And so uh we both say thank you. So absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, it is now time for the last time in 2025. Listener Spotlight.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:38

All right. This uh listener spotlight's clues are as follows. The area where this city is located began as a couple of failed land development ventures. Uh the local development uh prompted residents in the area, local development meaning outside the area, prompted the local residents to incorporate this area as a city. Historically, this area has been plagued by landslides. Um, Adam, if you play golf there, you might want to wear a PFD. That's a personal flotation device. And the city has seen its share of lethal weapons. And there we have it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:34

If I golf there, I might want to wear a PFD, which says it's right on the ocean, maybe, right? Maybe the whole course of the ocean.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:42

Ocean, lake, river, something, body of water. There's a couple of big, big clues in the stuff that I just said that could at least get you to a general area, certainly a state, but to a general area. Perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:02

Well, why don't we leave it at that? It's not St. Louis, so that's that's good. That is not St. Louis. Maybe 2026 will be the year of St. Louis. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:14

You know, I'm I'm torn with St. Louis, though. I so want to do it because I'm pretty sure I could pull it off that you would know it's St. Louis. But then I feel bad as your friend to like go, man, he knows St. Louis, and and if I pulled this off, which I know I can, but if I did pull it off, well then I'd feel bad that I like, you know, made you look like, you know, look like the fool. I don't want to do that. I've gotten it correct a couple times. Have you really? Or did you just take somebody else's guess and go, yeah, I think it's that one? I have I have immediately after recording. Oh, that one time, yeah. You're right. I stand corrected. That one time I had some movie reference or something or music reference, and you immediately oh, it was the uh Elton John.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:02

Oh yeah, Rocket Man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:05

And what uh Space City or something or whatever.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:09

Yep. And then I said, uh, I know it. And you go, you do not. I go, I do, as soon as we hit done, and we hit done, and we were because for anyone who doesn't know, when we hit stop recording, it's like being on Zoom. You can still be on the same thing. And I said, boom, boom, done. And you go, well, uh, we'll have to see in a couple weeks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:29

I never I never tell him if he guesses, I don't even when he says, Oh, I we got a guess or whatever, and he reads it, I don't let on if it's right or wrong because I want it to be completely a hundred percent. It's not that I don't trust him, but I just you know like the natural response of him finding out on air.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:49

Well, I do like it. Uh, and you know, I there's a couple of employees who listens to the show, excuse me, listen to the show, and they're always like, Did he ever tell you? I'm like, he doesn't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:01

So I'm not trying to be mean. I just like the natural uh, you know, your natural response to what the guess is. So that's perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:13

Well, uh, let me um I know that you and I are gonna get together one more time uh before the end of the year, but I will I will wish you on the on the show of uh Merry Christmas to you and your family. Thank you. Um thank you for a wonderful year. I appreciate everything, sir.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:33

And same to you. Pass along to your family my holiday wishes to them. And uh I look forward to another successful podcasting year coming up. Um, we've got a lot of ideas that we've been floating around, and um, we're gonna make some of those happen this next year. So looking forward to it. And I uh uh thank you for uh allowing me to come along on this ride.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:56

Absolutely, because not here in Michigan, but somewhere, somehow, it's a great day for bike for thank you for coming along with Adam and Michael on Road Adventures with Cycling Men of Leisure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:10

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