Episode 111 If your having Dog trouble , we got you son !!

Anto is having dog trouble and Rob jumps in to help ! we chat through a back to basics approach for newbie dog trainers and discuss some of the issues we as rough shooters encounter and how we are trying to overcome them !

Transcript

Hello and welcome back to episode 111 of the Irish Huntinging podcast. This week,
it's all about the dogs.
Rob and I sit down and discuss some of the issues we face with our own dogs.
How we're overcoming them? Our plans for the season. And what lies ahead?
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what's happening buddy we're back how are you i'm all good buddy you're suffering a
bit of a dose yeah there's a bad dose going around there is man i was away last
week in those cabins in cabin and i had it then but it hasn't really shifted no
you can still hear any the brother actually is dying as well there's really bad
doses going he's had it now since the shooting You were a little bit unwell at the
shooting as well. We were a bit of a cough in you? No. No, we was actually all
right. But you know it was Keith. Yeah. He's finding hard to shift it. It's just
one of the weather is a bit mad, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But to mean, it's not a
bad dose. No. Much of moving. I'm just feeling sorry for myself a little bit. We're
only back for a little bit of a shoot there, which we'll discuss on another. On
our next episode we're going to keep that for our sika stalking episode we're going
to talk a little bit about dogs today and just want to admire what we call him
wobbly willie wobbly willie yeah we're sitting here in front of uh in rob's front
sit room and we're admiring his fine red stag here irish red beauty and we just
learned that rob has been cutting the back of the heads off all sorts of wrong. A
little bit crooked. A little crooked. So we got new plaques, fine plex, and I'm out
to get in three of the non -roundy head. What do you call them? I think we'll call
them flared. Flaired plaques. Yeah. Oak plex and we were going to fit them there,
but we had to come up with another idea because I've cut the backs off completely
wrong. Yeah, we'll fix that and you've your fine Sika head over there we're getting
measured next week next week I just have to make contact with Larry yeah yeah I
can't wait to see just a whole process around that that'll be cool yeah and he's
at the same that we can do a podcast of how they're measured and it's supposed to
be fairly like step by step brilliant that you you can nearly do it at home
yourself and get a rough way they is it in the metal area and then bring it in
for official measuring so can't wait for that actually that's it that titles anyone
yeah yeah some people don't care about it but I'm honest I never really cared about
it but that one is particularly nice and people have sent in messages saying that
they think it is some sort of metal class so we're trying to do two things at
once do a podcast on it so new people into the sport to understand what's involved
me and i'm like in the middle yeah the minute i i'm i know more than if i shot
one myself i can remember where when i first kind of
noticed that um that the gate up it and you we have a picture of it you hold it
and i was there like oh my god that's i when you go over for it like you see
the thing it's big and stuff but then because you're dragging you're so just get
across here up and down and then it's only when you said it to me that i don't
think you realize how big that is yeah and then you put up a couple of pictures
of people are writing in and i was like oh yeah maybe it is and i actually we're
looking here now at the moment i have a hybrid stag next to it and the sika stag
and and the sika is bigger, not in skull, so it's obviously smaller in skull, but
the anklars are bigger and thicker, and even the weight. The weight, which, yeah. Is
it, there's a big difference. Yeah, it's a fine head. We'll let people know who we
get on with that. Yeah, absolutely can't wait that man. Yeah.
We've had a couple days dog training now over the last while. Yeah, yeah. I think
as hunters, not troiling men they're training all year yeah but a lot of hunters
including myself get ready for the first don't do a whole lot with the dog do you
mean through the year and then expect the dog to be able to perform and when he
doesn't deny him tick well I should be ticked myself yeah because I haven't put in
the work with the dog yeah and similar to that obviously this is my probably first
time training the dog, you know, with a little bit of help from yourself. And even
when I got her last year, I was, I should have, like in hindsight now, but it'll,
it's more about training myself and everything the dog and there was a couple of,
but it's good because these are the issues everyone kind of faces. So it's going to
be hopefully this will help a little bit, you know, as I'm going through problems
with my dog, you're going through problems with your dog we'll be able to show
little tips and tricks that you've learned from your father now and stuff you've
learned yourself
passed down so i think i had asked you going back um a week or two even when
milly was out on on the first um she's hunting and this is one of the things so
when I would bring her out she was hunting as I taught close enough beside me but
as you probably pointed out once the game is introduced then they automatically start
to pull that little bit further ahead yeah yeah and then once a bird is shot if
the dog doesn't stop and decides to rush in and can't find a bird and keeps on
pulling on then it's scaring
or my dog is the dog to run ahead and flush all the game yeah you'd be there
fucking fairly tick with yourself yeah and that's and then as you say you probably
end up taking it out with a dog where it's not really the dog's fault it's not
the dog is only doing what it thinks it's been trained to do you know um so the
problem the issue with my dog was well there's couple one was i didn't have it on
the whistle um
And you didn't at the time particularly want it on the whistle. Yeah.
Or you didn't probably know how to put it on the whistle. No, I bought a whistle.
Yeah. And then I got out with the feeling and I was there like, I don't actually
know how to teach my dog how to know what I want of it.
Yeah, exactly. So Talk us through a little bit at the basic of us like how we
started the other day so essentially Right so I'm going to caveat all this way I'm
not a bleeding dog trainer No I know And there's plenty of lads that if you want
your dog train you should send your dog to them Lads are sending in messages saying
Would we run classes or meetups I don't think you've no interest in that do you No
well I wouldn't be even in the league If even offering advice I'm any And neither
would I to be honest Further Ford runs I am right but we also don't have the time
for that yeah because we're flat out between our own jobs and trying to do this
jazz but I appreciate the messages yeah yeah um so how we started the other day
moving the dog onto the whistle was and you probably thought it was being a bit of
a flute right I said put the dog on the lead yeah because there's no point just
blowing the whistle and thinking that the dog is going to associate the whistle with
what you want. So you have to teach it to associate it with your verbal and
physical commands. And what I mean with that is, if you say, whatever you say, sit,
up,
and you've taught the dog that, grant. Then you teach the dog on the lead when you
say sit and blow the whistle, it means the same thing. And you practice repetition
repetition and then slowly you stop saying sit and you just blow the whistle and he
will sit yeah because it's he's learning by association yeah you can also do the
same with your hand so you do all three things at once and so we started saying
the word sit blown the whistle and raising your hand so now all three of those
things are associated with the sit and we were giving her a little bit of physical
physical in terms of pulling back and in the lead. Yeah, so if she wasn't getting
it, we'd give her a little tug. Yeah, but we stopped that fairly lively because
she's actually quite a clever guy. She genuinely is, she was picked it up quicker
and I thought she was going to pick it up. Yeah. Because she's two now, she's
never even, doesn't know what a whistle is.
And so that's how we moved her onto the whistle for the sit. Yeah. yeah now to
sit at distance when she's out is obviously going to be more of a challenge because
she's used to when she's out there doing her own thing yeah especially if there was
game around yeah do you mean so it there's a big difference you've been able to
get in your dog to sit at distance in the front garden now you put that dog in a
hunting situation where there's
scent pushing birds and now you're saying, here stop when she's in the middle of
battle. Yeah. Would be a different story. Yeah, and it's like you've seen her when
she's on scent. She changes demeanour so she gets really loads to ground, tails her
to bag and nose is buried. So she's in a different world. Once, she's,
like I could call her, she comes straight back, like she'll do, she'll keep well
within range but once the scent is introduced she kind of goes into her own little
world a little bit you know so that it's like as if oh now yeah yeah so she has
she has the drive yeah yeah and she has good eyes yeah like she's very good yeah
she's a lot of positives and if you can just control that want to hunt so she
wants to be you want her to be hunting with you not hunting for herself And the
thing is, so we got obviously to sit, then we started just, we let her off a
little bit and we had to sit at a slight bit of distance, you know? So, and that
was a good tip or trick was, you know, to sit,
the hand up and the whistle all to one time. So we let her out a little bit and
sit. But automatically, once I do the whistle, she wanted to come back to me. So
you did this movement of kind of rushing out or sit you know not in a not in a
more of a commanding yeah you're just holding you don't want to sound like the
sausage here which are it's not an aggressive way which are holding space let's call
it so you're moving towards the dog fast and the dog will it's nine times out of
ten automatically go what the fuck yeah it will sit down so now it's it associates
that with yeah and then lots of praise yeah when it does the right thing yeah so
um when she got the hang of that we had to do that a couple of times and then
we were blown the whistle and she was sitting and as soon as she does that huge
deal about her yeah this is what I want yeah yeah so lots of lots of praise um
that's what I think yeah there's different people have different trains of thought um
and like I'm an amateur go talk to like I say yeah yeah the professional lads um
do this this and this right see a letter we did a super job in the dog but he
should have done a super job in me and the only reason I've learned to end is
just from sitting back and watching the really boys who know what they're at and
then so we we were interchanging we'll talk about Finn and Bua in a second so we
introduced a small bit of games we did some dead game with us and what we wanted
to do then was create a bit of sense so we went to try and hop her when when we
it sent so that that was a little bit more difficult because she was you know she
she likes it when she's on game but she expected to be difficult because we know
that they're the the challenges like for she's two now so for so for two years
she's allowed to do this and now we're asking right now stop that and this is what
I want and you're only a good girl if you do what I want and so we knew that
that was going to be a struggle but she did get it she did get it yeah like it's
look it's that's a work in progress and I actually which I'll talk about in a
minute I kind of I probably I did something wrong in that I went out another lad
not to a couple of days after that hunting and I probably shouldn't I just spent
more time just on my own you know um but look that's that's all part and parcel
of it um but yeah she she got like so again we had a bit of dead game buried in
a bit of cover then we let her off and then once she got we knew she was on the
cent we wanted her to hope yeah so that we you know you can get up close for it
and then drive on again and that took a little bit of again the whistle hand and
that kind of sudden movement and that's the probably the thing the biggest thing is
you're trying to do all these things in my in this is more from my perspective
than the dogs the dog's probably looking at this lad's not doing these in even the
right series you know he's having a strong stroke yeah fucking whistle hand movement
to know and then then we were actually throwing a bit of game shooting at us yeah
and trying to get it to mark and then hold her so
this is where were wrong we should have just went out and concentrated on the first
part the hub yeah on the lead and drill drill yeah and left her maybe drill for
15 minutes then put her now we did so hard to do that we put her away because we
didn't change yeah yeah So we were giving our breaks But I think On that particular
day We tried to achieve too much in the time Yeah, she was picking it up But
there's no way she's going to hold all that No So a lot of people think I've
taught the dog To sit at distance So that's it hasn't now We'll never have to go
do that again I'm sorry to tell you The best of dogs will break Yeah do you mean
so you constantly have to reinforce it and it's all right to go back to basics
yeah I often go back like I have the lab at like command them at distance but
when he starts getting unsure of himself or starts making a mess he goes back on
the lead and I start off at basics again yeah yeah stop and I tell you stop heel
small retrieves back in on the whistle. So you're just reminding them of all the
things that you expect them rather than fucking getting upset with him when he's 300
meter retrieve. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. So they're clever. Yeah. They do
know what to do and when they're next to you, they'll do it. But when they get
out, 300 odd meters, might as well have that whistle up my hole sometimes because
they Oh, I know, he's all the way down there. Blow the whistle. I'm, I'm smarter.
I know the birds over here, you.
So I like to bring it back, and I've always been told, bring it back to basics,
basics, basics. Yeah. It's all right to try these long stuff every now and again,
but nine times out ten, I keep it relatively short. Short. Yeah. Then you move the
doggone to, which he got no problem, to come in whistle. Yeah.
Yeah, which is, instead of one long whistle blast, it's like a couple of pips,
quick. And we didn't even have to do it. You did that and you came running into
you. Yeah. I was like, all right, that's handy. Yeah, so we've kind of have some
of the basics. But like what you said, that needs just more and more and more
reinforcement from my perspective. And of course now I'm doing it mid -season. I
don't really mind.
Once I'm out, you know,
bring him back to me sitting stopping and then as she was now I felt like I don't
know the pipe pipe or sometime because as she was like she was trying to stretch
out the distance more than I wanted her to do I was like to and automatically she
wouldn't even look back but she'd pull back in do you know what I mean quarter
back and then so it was like this the whole evening I was nearly my cheeks were
met, do you know, but I think from my perspective, I thought it was good in that
she's now relating some of, not all of it, obviously, some of what I'm trying to
get her to do through the whistle, do you know? Yeah, like if you were, if you
were being honest and the boys being honest, how many times a year do you think
you should bring the dog out before the season?
10 times more than I brought her out. Yeah. Do you know? Yeah. And then you
wouldn't be facing the problems. Yeah. Not just me and your faith, most hunters.
Most hunters, yeah. Aren't 100 % happy with their dog. Yeah. Where if you spent a
bit of time, like maybe two days a week. Yeah. I'm not saying fucking full days.
Like half an hour or an hour. Half an hour, yeah. But funny, if you actually said
that, that was one of the things where, like, I see you with Finn and Bua like
you'll do 15 minutes, 20 minutes maybe of work, you know, training, and then you
let them go play. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, you know, it's not over.
It's like a child, you know, they'll get pissed off if you're... I believe that.
There's others will say, no, you'll work for as long as I want you to work. But I
do find that, let's say, the Black Lab, his pace will drop off. Yeah. Do you know,
I mean? He'll give me other indications where he might drop the elbow me. And I
don't want him to get in the habit of that. So I have to meet a balance of I
leave it on a high note. Yeah. So I've pushed them as far as I'm right stop.
Funny enough, just as you mentioned that, remember we had one of the dead game and
we had a retrieve with the dead game. Yeah. And Millie started get pissed off with
it she was like this is not really fun I know there's this only dead game here
yeah yeah so she then what she did was she picked it up and normally as you like
videos of her like automatically brings game right to me feet like yeah you know
loves to but after three or four times she picked it up then and then she was
coming back and she was feared over about two meters away three meters away and
just dropped went off but in other words I've no real interest in this thing
anymore you know what I mean this thing is fooling me you know so you have to
either not let it get to that stage or address it if it gets to that stage so
I'd rather not let it get to that stage yeah yeah yeah and that's just me yeah
definitely she was really interested at start because she didn't realize that this
wasn't life you know but like I could I could see her point you know what I mean
is her
pain in my hole like us if you keep us stimulated yeah once you go left once you
go more engaged yeah that's what I think but one of the things the positives are a
couple of the positives as you rightly said she's a great indicator you know she
gives great indication up when she's on cent I think that's probably getting to know
your own dog as well different like Bua was his reacts completely different than
Millie completely different he doesn't indicate Like, if you were hunting with him,
you probably wouldn't even recognise he's on ascent. It's only because I've been with
him now for a while. I'm like, oh, no, watch here now. But nowhere near as obvious
as your dog. My one goes flat to the ground and starts to literally hug the
ground, you know. It's like one of them electric robot hoover. Yeah, yeah, just
straight down. And then so you kind of know, which is good. That was one of the
positives. And the second one is great at Mark and even, you know, following a
shot. You know, even if she doesn't see it, she's good at following the shot,
you know? She's automatically, so there's a lot of positives to work on. Probably
look, this is, it's one of them things where I've, I'm probably learning midstream.
So it's going to take, you know, a couple of dogs to, to teach me that's just
going to be the way there's so much to learn like I haven't even scratched the
surface of what I need to learn yeah like a lot of handlers wouldn't understand the
different types of winds and how your dog is supposed to work then winds and even
if you do know you fucking forget because you're out and you've changed direction
and now the wind's coming from behind you yeah and you're still hunting your dog
yeah always hunt your dog yeah so yeah and that's that's a huge I remember I
It's a minefield. Then we'll talk, I suppose, a little bit about Dua, how he's
coming on. Yeah, so I think he's coming on well.
Very well. Like, he was hunting the ground there the other day.
Like, he was covering ground. He doesn't have the pace. Like, he's never going to
be a troiling dog. He'll be a rough shooting dog. Yeah, yeah. but I don't think he
has the pace and I actually don't know how he increased the pace of a dog maybe
it's with a pen width gain and small stints because the type of like we walk for
hours it's unfair to ask one dog to go at that pace now devil's advocate here
right so this is coming from a fool here right but We've both,
we mean you've talked about just loads of times in the car, but, you know, about
the different type, like, for rough shooting, like a trial dog is not going to, not
going to cut it in rough, unless you have a stable of them, you know what I mean?
Stable, you swap them in and out. But, like, again, for most hunters, that's not
probably feasible either. Maybe you might have one or two, maybe. It would be the
average, the average hunter.
And there's a lot of people like ourselves who have won do you know yeah um so
you're kind of caught the twigs in between where you know high stamina dog who goes
will hunt every inch every blade of grass for every field yeah that probably that's
not going to last all day all day so then now you're maybe two three hours at
that kind of pace and then your your days over. You're asking a sprinter to keep
up the pace of a marathon. Marital, yeah. It's not going to happen. So that's the
thing. For Bua, have you decided what way you're going to go with?
I say of zero interest in Trident. Like I said, near the start, we are busy
enough. Yeah, without a full -time job. Yeah, man, they put in serious hours with
their dogs and then they have to travel the length and breadth of the country to
enter these trails and you could be there fucking ten minutes five minutes and your
dog's out and you got to drive three four hours back yeah it's heartbreaking stuff
yeah but that's the thing where like you watch some dogs and they're like they're
hunting heavy cover like ballistic and then I would say if I take my own dog
Millie she'll hunt the Thank you.
but if she's hunting every inch of every the first cup, like it's heavy cover up
there we could be home by 99 o 'clock, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I will argue the opposite of, right, I don't want her to cover
every piece of cover, as in all the ditch, but if I decide, check here.
You want her in there. I want her to go in a check there. Because I'm not saying
I'm smarter than the dog because the dog is a better nose but the wind could be
going against the dog so it can't sense. It's on the wrong side of the wind.
And I've seen a pheasant run in here. Something simple as that. Go in here and if
the dog decides no, but now we're not working together. So talk a show. How would
you... Cast the dog? Yeah, cast first and then that out yeah so right all right
now you put me on the spot here i know it's how i started with these casting was
with food right a lot of people say don't use food but if i've taught the dog to
sit grant dog sit i'll get two bowls i'll put one out to the left and to the
right of the dog i'll put a tiny piece i don't know ham let's pick in each one
and I will stand in front of the dog and I will give a hand signal, let's say to
the one on the right. Yeah.
Now normally they actually will go to the one that you've, but let's say they
don't. You do that sharp movement, no, no, no, I'll give a verbal, no no, stop
them again, back out to the one in the right. They will get it and they're happy
to get it because they're getting a reward at the end. Yeah. Then you do the one
the left And that's how I start cast. Grant, now I can cast a dog. Yeah.
Let's say the ditches. Right, I will let the dog hunt a ditch. I'll have a tennis
ball. This is going to be a little bit sick. I'll spit on the tennis ball and rub
it in for cent. I'll let the dog hunt the ditch. It hasn't found that. The dog
has now moved on. I'll throw in the tennis ball. I'll bring the dog back until it
to get in. So I'm smarter. No, no, get in here. Because like I said,
get in again. Yeah. And it gets what it wants. Once. Grant. And I will do that,
not just in ditches, but in fields. Yeah. So what you're basically saying is, the
dog is saying, like, looking at you kind of saying, I've already hunted here,
there's nothing in there. You're a fool, I don't want to go. And she'll try, or he
will try to go back about his business. And you're saying, no, no, in you in you
go and then which are essentially sometimes i actually know what i'm doing you know
what i'm saying so yeah you're you're you're building that kind of that partnership
to trust you know yeah so it's learning that oh when he tells me to do something
i normally get a reward out yeah and if i don't i know there's a reward coming
eventually yeah yeah you know yeah so there's it's a it's a it's a what's the
thinking behind not rewarding not reward like with food yeah with food yeah um so
it can or with even with i know we talked about earlier with loads of praise
there's you know some most people do give praise yeah the dog does the right thing
some people will say no don't don't give it food for an example right when you're
teaching the dog to present As a young dog So it's at the doing the retrieve It's
coming back into you You might If you are trying to do that with food The dog get
into a habit of spitting out The dummy or the game To get its reward Yeah Now
it's counterproductive It's teaching the dog With food Yeah And I learned that the
hard way So I don't use Food for retrieve rewards Okay Yeah I might After one or
two retrieves, I might give a reward of a free dummy or throw a dummy and let it
just chase it break. Yeah. Some people will say you're teaching the dog to break
and they look, they could be fucking right. But that's what I do and I don't and
now watch, I fucking have to touch wood here somewhere. I don't at the moment have
a problem with any of them breaking Yeah. I suppose that's about knowing your own
dog isn't it they're because they all have different i presume you know different uh
behavioral traits they have different uh characteristics you know like different uh
yeah characters so what you call what's that called personalities yeah do you know
what i mean a hundred percent but i'm gonna go back to what i said at the start
there's lads that are tried and tested they've produced dog after dog after dog and
they have a system yeah so if they say regardless of personalities they are
producing dogs yeah they had the top dog handlers and everyone knows who they are
in the country yeah so I want certain name and names but they
they can produce a dog whatever system they're using yeah there's a foundation there
it's a layer system and they'll use that I presume there will be intricacies in
that with if a dog is slightly more, you know, bullheaded,
exactly, more tin it, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the foundation is all the same,
yeah, yeah. And,
like, who am I to say anything I'm going to tell you what I do here in my own
house? Look, the most dogs, you know, a lot of dogs We'll have,
as similar to my dog, we'll have the kind of the basics. I think what we're saying
probably here is the trainer, you know, the handler, sometimes need more training
than the dog itself, you know what I mean? And I know I speak for myself on that,
you know? And if you can get in, the key thing is to get in with people that are
willing to depart with knowledge. Yeah. I mean, even if you have to pay to go to
classes, it's well worth it but if you can get in with that group i was fortunate
enough to get in with a group of lads who weren't afraid to talk me through stuff
yeah so and some of them trials i i i i'm very welcoming to to guests and stuff
yeah you know like go along because it's a we said it before i've mccals are there
as well we're only be i think they they do actually train days introduction any
days yeah all that kind of stuff and they're crying out For young blood in, like
to bring in the younger generation. And I think even if you're not going to trial,
you know, if you're not going to trial, I'd still recommend that people go to those
type of days. A hundred percent, even if you just have a house dog and you want
it to be mannerly. Yeah. So you wanted to, no, there's no on the couch. Get down,
heel. Going on a walk. You see around the village here some people's dogs are
bringing the people for a walk yeah and that would drive me bananas bananas where
if you went to these like north tip uh gondogs do open days for people and they'll
talk you through how to do some of this stuff and then it's on you if you put in
the effort or not to do it yeah and you can have your dog at heel and go for an
enjoyable walk yeah and there's nothing like it might seem like a simple thing but
but like that that trial day probably started my journey into you know it was the
first time you know where I start to think about actually actively training my own
dog and starting to learn and so on and that's you know that's two years ago now
but uh over two years ago but what I mean is I probably loads that stuff went
over my head but I kind of knew what I wanted, you know, the end game to look
like, you know. How I was going to get there is obviously a different thing. But
at least if you know, if you can see what's possible, then you can start saying,
well, how do I teach it that? How do we, like you say, how do we cast? Or how
do I get to stop when it's on scent, you know? All these type of things. So
you're actually starting to ask the question. That's the first step of learning. You
know, it's to know what's possible. because if you're looking at something blind
you're just watching it you don't actually know half what's going on until you go
into one of these trying situations where you can actually see it
repetitively you know what i mean and i'm going to be honest people have explained
tail wins and cheek wins to me for years and i was nodding yeah got you yeah but
i didn't because you don't know what you don't know yeah right and i was only i
was out one day and i seen it actually one of the lads let me walk behind him
and he was doing it and i got to see it and only then i went right now i got
you talk us through a little bit of that just for the winds a tail wind yeah so
tailwind is it's not coming into your face coming at the back of your head yeah so
the handler will walk and then right this is what i've seen yeah they can walk
slow let the dog out so the dog goes out a little bit further and then hunts back
into the wind yeah yeah or the handler can walk and stop the dog goes out comes
back to walk the handler will walk and stop so i've seen different ways of it
being done but the main premise of it is the dog goes out and hunts back towards
you yeah instead of the dog hunting in front of you into the wing in the opposite
to as there would be in a headwind yeah so yeah um and then cheek wins obviously
when it's coming from from left right or yeah and then you hunt you can't see me
about doing it's exact right right like that if people want to learn that stuff
they should go and seek proper advice how you teach a dog how to do.
Yeah and this is just an overview of what's kind of an add on to what's possible
with the dogs because there's a lot of like I would see a lot of ads up now at
a minute you know looking to shift dogs and you know obviously what I think what
happens is a lot of the time I really genuine cases with people are trained dogs
and selling them so on but a lot of people would and I see this around a good
bit in that probably exactly what we said there spent very little time with them
during the summer coming in the first this dog is shit I need your dog any good
you know any any any trained dogs yeah yeah and start the whole process all over
again and like I can tell you now the little bit I'm doing it's hugely rewarding
my dog is not going to be the best dog not even close to it But that's not her
fault. It's going to be mine. My plan is to try and make myself better. I'm
thinking about, I'm actually talking about either breeding her or getting another dog.
And trying to create a small little stable myself, you know, two or three dogs. And
that would be my aim and to improve my own skill set.
There's a saying that's been said to me now for years you'll ruin more dogs before
you make one yeah and it's all your own mistakes yeah you mean like you will ruin
the dog because you don't fully know what you do exactly you come out when you
watch me you said you said to me do what you normally do you're like you're
probably looking what is this for that no but you know what I mean because like
that I have I have taught the dog the way I think you know but it's only when
somebody else said like try this you know that makes fucking sense do you know what
I mean and even if they say it to you like only when I moved at the dog he went
oh yeah yeah I forgot I can actually move here that makes sense yeah yeah and then
it was like we were throwing the game shooting it getting her to stop hook whistle
you know all at the one time so it was like it was like learning to dance but uh
no it was it was very worthwhile i think hopefully people pick a little few tips
out of this um but if you don't uh that's that's what i recommend go and have a
little people what's what's possible you know we'll continue to throw up a few more
videos anyway hopefully they help a little bit yeah yeah i wasn't sure if they what
we're doing is actually helping anyone but people have sent in messages looking for
more and can you put up an online class and stuff like that but unless there's a
huge want for it yeah you mean and i probably wouldn't wouldn't have the confidence
or knowledge to do that i'd get someone else to do that for us um but if there's
something if people if not people are interested in it and i thought that it would
bring the youth yeah into yeah entire sport yeah I'd make the effort to do that
yeah no definitely definitely I think it's like we're all crying out for for our
kids to be at active yeah I mean as you say even if you didn't hunt imagine
because a lot of trials people don't don't hunt yeah do you don't just there's a
lot of people you know they don't shoot they just in the logs and then even if
you want your kids to get out you can oh actually I want to talk you know sick
see the way boat was split by the same time you can get your kids out and part
of these trial days like stoppers are um the little kids with the flags yeah
flushing game the right direction like so you can still be a part of the field
sports without actively hunting if that's not your your gig yeah yeah so on that
yeah go on no that's a great lead done uh Paul Callum was on to us.
Yeah. And we don't know exactly how we're going to do it, but he reached out. He's
mad into getting youth involved, which is great. Yeah. Because we're sort of selfish
enough creatures because we're caught up in what we're doing. Yeah. All of us. So
if you have something actively trying to bring in the younger generations, I think I
can only think it's a great thing and I think we'll get behind it 100 % yeah he's
talking about a shoot day
for younger people now we're still trying to work out the kinks what younger people
means yeah because you have to have your own firearms license you have to be
insured all this type of jazz and then how we select yeah people from what counties
is it going to be one from each count like yeah so paul runs the shoot over on
land bay island so then obviously there's logistics about boats so we can't have too
many if there's miners and parents have to come that's obviously double figures yes
yeah so we're still trying to work that out but hopefully we'll have something
nailed down before the end of this season yeah for a group of minor not minors but
younger younger yeah yeah could be like could be younger could be people starting
off you know what I'm saying yeah like Sean yeah yeah he would be a perfect
perfect yeah yeah he shot his first pheasant he went out yeah I watched him not a
bother safety wise yeah he'd be a perfect yeah if whatever way it's going to be
rad yeah so that that it would be somebody obviously like we're going to have to
look there's logistics here so we have to look at people obviously with insurance
and the correct licenses all that kind of stuff that's you know given and then
obviously we have to try and plan that around you know as you say we've if they're
youths there's child welfare aspects and so on so forth to be to be to be kind of
so i was actually supposed to ring paul yesterday i was on duty the day before so
i couldn't talk to him yesterday i said yeah i'll give you a book we'll bring him
after this yes yeah yeah yeah um because we've we've we've uh we've a trip over
there ourselves those there were
We have, obviously, the skull marking system. We have Noel or Neil from South
Africa. Yes. Talk us through conservation work in South Africa and hunting in South
Africa. Hopefully he's going to help us settle on a mountain trip. Come on, then.
Yeah, to South Africa. That's a few things in motion there at the minute.
That is the pinnacle of my dream i know the thing is when you go there where it's
where to next you know funny enough like i was telling you i was talking to a
taxi man on saturday and then he's from romania and he was telling me the problem
of black or with brown black bear is it black bear over there i think yeah um a
bear anyway yeah um in romania and uh his uh friend is a right over there who
hunts bear and bore isn't it so basically if you see two lads rocking bear jackets
with the skulls and all hanging over the head yeah exactly exactly look that's uh
there's loads of stuff we will be doing um and we have to get down to lakelands
next week as well we have to chat about my rifle uh the logistics of when when
and where that's lannin yeah I have to return the terminal imagery that they came
out of. So, yeah, there's a lot. We have our taxidermis, East Coast Taxidermy,
we have. Yeah, Paddy Smith is the only up a knife. So I'm going to give you a
video on that. Oh, wait, you see this. Now, I'm a little bit excited about this.
It is, yeah. So Patty did,
it was one of the knives for the raffle. Yeah, it was the knife that was delivered
here. I already have one of Patty's knives that was gifted to me so i was sitting
here and laura helped me do a video so i did the video Laura said you should
probably get yourself a new knife but i already have a knife ah you should probably
get yourself another knife right so so i got the green light so i just reached out
to patty and said patty i'm looking for i gave him what i was looking for and he
came back from here straight away with with pictures of the blade types the
thickness thickness. I said, yeah, but I want, I don't know what it's called on the
spine of the blade, the the markings. Yeah. It's fairly Gucci looking. I want that.
No problem. Another picture with the different mark. Okay, right, that one. I'll pick
that one. What type of handle you want? Now, I want wood. Yeah.
Right. Something Irish in tradition. Do you want, and he sent me a picture of a
load of different ones. And I knew as soon as I've seen it and i said yeah the
oak bore yeah and he goes i he sent me back a message i fucking knew you would
pick that yeah it's savage yeah with red liners and ah it'll look it looked goofy
man i'm actually gonna change from a letter sheet that i normally have to cut
itette sheet yeah because yeah yeah because the knife that was we raffled off um
had a kite sheet and i liked how it clicked in it was nice and secure yeah i
i've never had a knife with a kite yeah so i'm gonna very good can't wait to see
it man and then we have i think fran's finishing off the other knife he was a
little bit unwell there for a while so i think that's hopefully be finished this
week and we'll meet up with aran the second winner and uh present that to him yeah
and then we'll have to think about our next one i Hopefully the raffles are going
down. They seem to be going down a tree. I think it's cool. I think it's cool.
It's giving people an opportunity to get stuff that maybe they might have taught as
possible and stuff. So yeah. Yeah, if people have any ideas of what they would like
to be raffled, the only reason we raffle the noise was people come back and said
knives. Yeah. If there's a majority of people fancy, I don't know, a thermal.
Yeah. That might be an option, man. Yeah. Yeah.
Send in messages if you want something particular raffled. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Right, we call that one. Call that a day. Over and out, buddy. Over now, buddy.