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Drink the Filth! A Hammer Horror Exploration Part 2
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Journey into the shadows of Hammer Film Productions as we unearth four remarkable gems from their golden age that showcase the studio's versatility beyond their famous Dracula and Frankenstein franchises. This deep dive celebrates the creative range that made Hammer the undisputed kings of Gothic horror in the 1950s through 1970s.
Our exploration begins with "The Mummy" (1959), featuring Christopher Lee as the bandaged monster and Peter Cushing as the archeologist who must stop him. Unlike Universal's interpretation, Hammer's mummy remains fully wrapped throughout, creating a genuinely terrifying physical threat that crashes through windows, strangles victims, and can only be stopped by extreme measures. The film's atmospheric Egyptian tomb sequences and green-tinted lighting exemplify Hammer's ability to create exotic terror on a modest budget.
We then venture into "Taste the Blood of Dracula" (1970), which cleverly positions Dracula as an instrument of vengeance against hypocritical Victorian gentlemen. The film's unforgettable blood ritual sequence—where Lord Courtley commands them to "drink the filth!"—showcases Hammer's increasingly daring approach to horror as the studio entered the 1970s. Christopher Lee makes every moment count despite his limited screen time and famous reluctance to continue in the role.
Our journey takes an unexpected turn with "Shadow of the Cat" (1961), a Gothic thriller centered on a household of murderers being stalked by a vengeful feline who witnessed their crime. This unique entry blends mystery, suspense, and dark comedy as the cat seemingly orchestrates the deaths of those responsible for its mistress's murder. Andre Morel delivers a deliciously villainous performance as the bedridden mastermind watching his accomplices fall one by one.
Finally, we explore "She" (1965), starring Ursula Andress as an immortal queen ruling over a lost civilization. This adventure film demonstrates Hammer's willingness to expand beyond pure horror while maintaining their trademark atmospheric visuals and themes of dangerous immortality. The film's impressive location shooting and elaborate lost city sets create a convincing world that feels distinctly "Hammer" despite the genre shift.
Whether you're a longtime Hammer enthusiast or discovering these films for the first time, join us as we celebrate these underappreciated classics that showcase the full spectrum of what made this legendary studio so influential. Share your favorite Hammer deep cuts in the comments below!
Introduction to Hammer Horror
Speaker 1Good evening. Good evening, yes, you got that, huh.
Speaker 2Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 1Not much Keeping busy. I know you've been busy too.
Speaker 2I've been busy, yeah, a lot of travel for work things are picking up.
Speaker 1You know it's that time of year, right?
Speaker 2yeah, exactly shouldn't be picking up. So all right, dude. Uh, what are we doing tonight?
Speaker 1so this is part two of three of our hammer horror discussion. We were absent for a few weeks, a little longer than we hoped for and anticipated but, life also I've been. I've been busy as well. Things have, you know, really picked up and get a lot of stuff going on. But happy to be back and, uh, happy to be talking about four of the films that I picked for this show tonight, um, an interesting mix of different eras, sometimes different genres, apparently it's a grab bag.
Speaker 1I sort of misremembered she what it was probably been like over 10 years, so I hadn't remembered that it's not quite a horror movie but you know and I threw Captain Clegg out of the running because I was like I watched it and I'm like, oh, this is not a horror movie, but there's definitely way more horror in that than there is in she, but she is still a fun movie and a good movie nonetheless. But so tonight we are going to be talking about four Hammer films, and we will be talking about the Mummy 1959, which is a bona fide classic of horror cinema, which is a bona fide classic of horror cinema. We will be talking about Taste, the Blood of Dracula, one of the many sequels of the Christopher Lee Dracula series. The I don't know how you would describe this kind of like a mystery, gothic thriller Shadow of the Cat, which kind of has a more camp tone to it. And then finally, as I mentioned, she, which is a more like a um, what?
Speaker 2do you call that adventure?
Speaker 1I don't know if I call it schwoz, schwoz buckling, but it's like sort of like an epic uh treasure hunt, kind of like lost city ruin yeah yeah okay, a little bit of like british colonial fiction in there too, definitely.
Speaker 2You ever heard of Flashman.
Speaker 1I've not.
Speaker 2It's like a series about a guy who was really cool, who fought in the Boer War.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 2Just about how cool he is. Okay, Well, we're starting with the Mummy first right.
Speaker 1I think so I think that would be a good place to start.
Speaker 2And I guess the natural question for me would be uh, what made you want to pick the mummy?
Speaker 1well, the mummy is one of the. As I said, it's one of the bona fide classics of hammer and of horror cinema of this time. When you look back at who, what are the? What are the classic monsters that you think of? When you think of halloween and monsterdom, you know you're thinking of dracula, the frankstein monster, the Wolfman, and the mummy is going to naturally be thrown in there as well, and Universal defined what it, what it meant to make a mummy movie in the thirties and forties. This movie very much apes on that trope, on those tropes and those ideas, and kind of like congeals it and meshes it into like one unified, like movie, which is very interesting.
Speaker 2I really liked it. The question I guess I would have about the mummy, where I think it veers off from it's one thing for Hammer to make a remake of Dracula. Well, it's a book, it's basically a character that's almost in the public domain and basically this I mean it was, it is now I don't know if it was back then, probably or or to do a werewolf movie or to do a Frankenstein, right. But when it comes down to the idea of the mummy as a seminal character and like horror film, don't you just have to give it up to universal for coming up with the mummy.
Speaker 1They did, I think. Uh, if I recall correctly, brem stoker did do a novel novelization of a mummy type story and I think they used that like as the awakening. They made that movie, the awakening, like in 1980, which was um with charlton heston, which is like I want to watch that.
Speaker 2Really bad, I've never seen it. It's.
Speaker 1It's good. I feel like that's one of the last big movies that he did. I can't really think of much that he did in the 80s after that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2He did the Kenneth Branagh Hamlet. That's the first thing that's coming to my mind. Who directed that movie? Mike Newell, I don't remember. He did a bunch of stuff. He did like four weddings and a funeral. It was like his first movie. He did, uh, harry potter four really oh, he was a very like yeah, well, thought of british sort of director of comedies of manners that were so successful they started giving him blockbusters. Donnie brosco, he did.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was his first movie didn't know that, yeah, so so I mean, other than that Universal really did create the idea of adding the mummy to the mythology of monster movies and all that, which is very interesting.
Speaker 1We were talking about the backstory of this movie in particular because in the last video we talked about how much Universal threw a monkey wrench into Hammer's production of the Curse ofenstein and how you know we don't want you using anything that we created in our movie, in your movie, excuse me, and um like, basically like, don't take anything we did, otherwise we're going to sue you into oblivion. Now for this movie it's quite the opposite and it's kind of confusing because if you watch the movie today, it's distributed by Warner Brothers. They own the rights to this movie nowadays and they add on that very tacky and off-putting Warner Brothers logo at the beginning and it says like an AOL, Time Warner Company or something like that. But apparently Universal was involved in the international distribution of this movie back in the original release and they gave the go-ahead and approval to say take our idea and run with it.
Speaker 2They kind of licensed it to them. It's like, hey, if you think you can make money with this mummy idea, go for it. Right, precisely, I'm going to play the trailer of the mummy for the benefit of the audience here I'm going to play the trailer of the mummy for the benefit of the audience here.
Speaker 4egypt, 4 000 years ago, a land of strange rituals and savage cruelty. Many of their secrets are still hidden from the eyes of 20th century man Secrets that protect their dead, supernatural powers that, once released, can live again in our modern world.
Speaker 2So, yeah, I have to say by looking at this trailer the Mummy it's probably one of the best looking hammer films, in my opinion, from a cinematography perspective. I mentioned to you we were having a conversation about this about how it's like the only hammer movie where there are not day for night sequences. They actually do film night scenes at night and they spend a lot of time on the sound stages that are, you know, set up beautifully at just at dusk, right With their backgrounds. It's a spectacular looking film and I think you can see from this trailer to how cool Christopher Lee's mummy makeup is.
Speaker 1Yes, it's, it's quite good, it's. I mean just the levels of like dirt and grime and filth that he's covered. I mean this guy, this, this monster comes out of the marshes, he comes out of the swamps, come out of the desert. He's a. He's a ferocious and disgusting looking monster and it looks great. It captures really, really well.
Speaker 2And the story go ahead.
Speaker 1No, no, go ahead. I was going to say like how, how much this takes from the original universal movies but also just maximizes what we're, what year we're in at this point, like we're in 1959, we're no longer in the 1930s and 40s. So the um, the violence is definitely amped up to a different degree that you never saw in a universal movie. I mean, that's a given, but it really makes an impact on how dangerous this monster is compared to any other movie that you'd seen a character like this in before he really does look freakish.
Speaker 2And you know, unfortunately christopher lee gets to play um the, you know high priest of egypt or whatever, who desecrated the tomb of his beloved um ananka princess ananka who died right, but for the most part he gets. I mean, I was telling you christopher lee gets saddled, unfortunately, with having to be like the heavy in every one of these movies. Um, cushion gets to be like the refined english gentleman professor badass with a shotgun all the time. You know, tweed suit vest. But christopher lee's always has to be like the hey I hate, to say that the monster always.
Speaker 1Yeah, peter cushing never played like a. I mean, he plays a monster in frankenstein, a different type of monster, but not a makeup laden monster no, christopher lee perker's, really.
The Mummy (1959): A Bona Fide Horror Classic
Speaker 2He was cast as villains so much, which is why I'm very excited to watch um devil rides out uh, next week, I believe, when we do. When we do that, because it's the one hammer film, I believe, where he gets to play the hero okay, and yes, I'm very excited to watch that as well horrific in it right this was apparently a very brutal.
Speaker 1If you, if you read the article in the hammer book, um, this was a brutal shoot for him. I mean just from a physical point of view. You saw him carrying a woman.
Speaker 2They throw him in a swamp.
Speaker 1Yes, I think he threw his back out doing that multiple times. Plus getting into all that heavy makeup You've got to give the guy credit. I mean he did not get his due for that, you know. Plus getting into all that heavy makeup you got to give the guy credit. I mean he didn't did not get.
Speaker 2Did not get his due for that. No, but it's an effective movie. It they do a lot with their budget. There's there's a portion in the extended flashback sequence about the origin of the mummy where they have like this elaborate funeral procession coming through where I mean they went all out on that right yeah had a back lot, that lot back lot, little set and they pulled the sarcophagus on a on a sled and then there's like two cows and a little.
Speaker 2I mean it's really incredible. Um, it's a great looking movie. I really enjoyed it. Um, I thought it was excellent and yeah, it's definitely top tier.
Speaker 1It's definitely top tier of the hammer, and and think about just how lavish this looks compared to something like curse of frankenstein, which great movie, but very evident of its limited budget and limited um raw materials. This they're clearly working with a much larger amount of money that they can throw around and it looks really nice.
Speaker 2This was directed by Terrence Fisher, the boss for Hammer, who just basically did it all. This guy built, he did all the classic movies. But you know what else I really liked? The things that struck me that I enjoyed about it were I liked Peter Cushing's performance. I liked his relationship with his father, which is kind of a, you know, he goes to visit him in the nursing home and he's babbling about the mummy. He's had visions that the mummy's going to come back because they disturbed the tomb obviously right. And when he's talking about his leg, that's limping right, oh right. And when he's talking about his, his leg, that's limping right, oh, I should have gotten it. I thought that sort of moment was really nice. And then when his father is killed in a really effective scene, which you saw in the trailer, where the mummy crashes through the egress window and tears through the bars and comes down and chokes him to death, which is kind of the mummy's preferred method of murder, um, well, the mummy has always been a big fan of strangulation.
Speaker 1If you go back to the universal movies, he is a big fan of uh strangling. That's his preferred method of uh of killing how else he doesn't have a weapon. He's gonna hit him a little brute force like that's, that's how he always, that's how he always did his victims in in uh, in the, at least in the sequel movies, the, the, the original karloff mummy is a very different animal entirely.
Speaker 2But how does this stack up to the universal series, and tell me a little bit about that yeah so it's a very interesting series because it's it's like a series but it's not so.
Speaker 1The the karloff original one. I think it's like 1932. Carl freund directed that one and that's like I always think of it as another version of Dracula. It's like the same story over again, including some of the same actors, but anyway it's like the mummy and there's a distinction between who the mummy and the princess are and their different names and different kind of story. So in that one it's Imhotep. Karloff plays Imhotep, who was the high priest who, like the mummy in this movie, is Karis. Karis was the name of the mummy in the subsequent sequel films of the Universal series. So there's Imhotep and Karis. So Imhotep and Karis, both were the high priests in ancient Egypt. They both served a princess Different names. The original one is called Anksanaman or, as Karloff likes to call her in that movie, the Princess Anksanaman.
Speaker 1Sorry as Karloff likes to call her in that movie the Princess Anksanaman. Sorry, that's how he says it.
Speaker 1I love that. I love that in that movie and then Ananka in the later ones, the original movie is he's brought back to life. When they find him in the tomb they read from the Scroll of Thoth, which is like the Scroll of Life in this movie which is featured. And he comes back to life and his mission is to find the reincarnation of his, of that of the princess, and he finds that in zita johan, and he tries to reincarnate her as a princess, and he only kills people who get in his way.
Speaker 1In that movie, more or less in the sequel films, it's caris. It's the same backstory. They just co-opted. They even reuse the same footage and they include the scenes where he gets his tongue cut out. That's all directly lifted from the universal movie, including the, the murder of the, the people who build the tomb, and all that. Um, and now, though, caris is commanded, he is like a servant of, like a high egyptian priest which we see in this movie. Um, usually in the old ones it was like george zuko or turhan bay or somebody like that, controlling the mummy and telling him kill the people who desecrated the tomb of ananka. And that's where this movie kind of like mixes and matches all of that and kind of congeals it into one like thing got it?
Speaker 2how many mummy movies did universal me?
Speaker 1I think five, if I recall correctly okay, not including abin and costello right.
Speaker 2So I've seen um the mummy, the original, but it's been a long time. If I'm not wrong, karloff is able to present as like a regular guy. Yes, he like comes back to life.
Speaker 2He's not a mummy for very long, just that opening scene, and then he goes by, artis bay got it for the movie so the character with the fez um, who is the, you know, he's the last disciple of the secret society, the last guy who cares about the dead gods. That kind of reminded me of the indiana jones fez guys from last crusade, you know. I mean like, oh, we're defending the, the relics of old, against, you know, in in um people encroaching from the new world, right um, that guy kind of plays that role. Yeah, wouldn't you say, yeah, yeah for sure, and that's again just like the, the george zuko or turhan even uh, they the character's name.
Speaker 1I think last name is bay in the movie. It's kind of like well, turhan bay was one of the actors who played that role in the original ones. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but okay, there's something interesting. Um, the other thing I really like in this movie, as you mentioned is, is the the, I'm sorry to say the kill scenes are quite good for a 1954 horror movie.
Speaker 2The squibs when he shoots the mummy and he explodes and it just stabs him and it's like a figure of dust, he just like lumbering through. I thought that was terrific.
Speaker 1And the brutality of the mummy. For instance, you mentioned the insane asylum murder, murder scene, which is shocking. I mean, see him crawl into the thing and he's in, he's in the padded room. But, um, peter cushing's father's in the padded room for his own protection because they think he's a suicide risk, because he's mumbling about all this stuff. And there's one window at the top. It has bars, you know, bolted down to. You know that anybody can't get in. The mummy pries all that off, crashes through the window, goes in and strangles him and then just walks in and crawls out again.
Speaker 2I wondered they didn't show him crawling out again, but I was curious, how he accomplished that.
Speaker 1He didn't open the door. I don't think.
Speaker 2He called upon some mummy magic to fly through. But no, it's a really good-looking movie. I think about when they walk into the tomb and there's that green lighting. It's non-motivated lighting, it doesn't make sense, like where's that green light coming from? But that's fine. I like that kind of stuff in these Hammer movies, you know what I mean when it's giving you this sense of eeriness. They open up the tomb, which is kind of like a wine cabinet where they just kind of open it up and it's like into another room, which is slightly. I mean, I hope you don't mind it when I make fun of these movies a little bit. No, it's always with love. It's always with love, of course.
Speaker 1No, I completely understand. Yeah, and definitely shadow the cat will be. Will be doing that a lot myself included, do you think so?
Speaker 2okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 1No, but I uh no, this is well, I will. I'll be doing it in a nice way, I hope. I hope you will too.
Speaker 2But this was a kick-ass one, but you know what it's like. They had the formula so down by this point where it's like, um, peter cushing is our, you know, I wouldn't say every man, but sort of aristocratic british. And then Christopher Lee is our. I hate to say it, but he's always sort of like ethnic. He can be any race that they want him to be, all the time Right, and you think you know slash monster and I did feel bad for him lumbering around in that fucking mummy deal and I'm like, is that Christopher? I mean, they had to have been right. I'm like they made that poor bastard dress up in his mummy suit.
Speaker 1I'm sure there was a stunt double at some point, but I mean, for the most part you're getting billed as the monster. I mean that's your job, right.
Speaker 2Well, and I liked how they defeated the mummy by just trapping him in a swamp and just repeatedly shooting him, died or just, you know, was no longer functional. Um, but uh, he does kind of look like swamp thing a little bit, partly because he comes out of the swamp. But they also give him this sort of like extended like brow, that's like formed off here at his eyebrows, which kind of made him look like swamp thing to me. But um, wasn't a huge fan of that trope of oh. Um, my girlfriend, you look just like the ancient goddess, you know, of old, like wow. And then you look just like the ancient goddess of old, like wow. And then her powerful stare stays the mummy and stops him from committing violence.
Speaker 1Right, but that's part of the mummy mythology that they're using as the basis for all this. That goes from the Universal original film. So it's all. That's part part. You can't do a mummy movie without doing that. It's like you know otherwise otherwise you get the tom cruise mummy, which I don't even remember did you see it? Yeah, I did. I don't remember anything about it other than her walking through london how about some of the other dark universe movies?
Speaker 2did you enjoy those? Oh, those, those didn't get made yeah, they never happened, but um, uh, the great they took, like productions. They took, like uh, promotional photos for those for movies that never even got off the ground, you know yeah with like johnny depp and javier bardem like yeah yes, yes yeah, it wasn't. It was a valiant effort, but I don't know.
Speaker 1Do you think an idea like that could have worked? Well, yes, but not applied in that method. You know, these are not. And this is the fundamental flaw in that strategy is that the universal monsters are not action stars, they are not superheroes. They can be in a somewhat like, analogous way, but you have to make it a primarily a horror movie first and not an action blockbuster. I mean, that's not what? What? These are Dracula, frankenstein, the Mummy these are not action blockbusters. These are horror movies that can overlap and certainly cross over, and you can make them crossover and you can make them, you can have action in them.
Speaker 1But they need to employ these. You know the the, I guess, the veneer or the atmosphere of what you would expect from a horror movie. So there needs to be some kind of gothic atmosphere. They need to be set in old times. They can't be set in the modern era. You can't be doing um. You know tom cruise, um skydiving out of a, out of a plane. You know it's like. What does this have to do with anything? You know Tom Cruise, um skydiving out of a, out of a plane.
Speaker 2You know it's like well, what does this have to do with anything, you know? Um, we got trembling colors in here in the chat. Yes. Um, yeah, this is a point I totally agree with. He says also unlike the thirties universal mummy, we get the mummy doing shit instead of the mummy turning into just some dude. Yeah, that was a big letdown for me. When I first watched the mummy I thought I was going to see a mummy and it was just a guy who was kind of a dracula guy.
Speaker 1Yes, you know, he was just kind of like a mesmerizing the the karloff mummy is like a love story more than anything else. Uh, it's a really weird movie. It took me many, many, many viewings before it really grew on me and became like a personal favorite. When I was a kid I used to be so bored by it and I would want to watch the 40s sequels, which are like akin to like a prototypical slasher movie, because it's the mummy going around and just murdering people, strangling them. He's a slow walking killer who stalks his prey and just strangles them. You know, at the behest of the priest, you know.
Speaker 2Well, this movie is kind of like that, but it's got some class. Yeah, it has, I thought, an incredibly long flashback sequence. But when you spend all that money doing all the ancient Egypt shit, you might as well do that.
Speaker 1And also that gives Christopher Lee something to actually do and say he gets to act. Yes, he gets to play.
Speaker 1But at least you get to see him. He gets his face seen on camera. He's not just playing the mummy monster Like in Frankenstein. You never get to see him at all. He's not just playing the mummy monster like in frankenstein. You never get to see him at all. He's just hidden behind that.
Speaker 1That, the makeup, um, but yeah, I mean, I really, I really like this one. I I think it's um, uh, if it's one of those movies that we were talking about in the past, about if you're introducing someone to hammer, or which movie would you recommend that they watch first? And we talked about person frankenstein definitely being one of those, but I think the mummy is also one that you would I would put at the top of the list to say watch this because it's, it's stunning for a movie from 1959 to do what they do here. Um, yeah, it's very. I mean, I remember the first time I saw this. We talked about the?
Speaker 1Um, the mental institute scene, but the scene that stood out for me the first time I saw this, we talked about the? Um, the mental Institute scene, but the scene that stood out for me the most when I saw this for the first time years and years ago is when he's in the study. Uh, peter Cushing is in the study and the mummy just bursts through the door like a fricking explosion, like he just you know and it's like, whoa, okay, how did he do that Like no, it's incredible.
Speaker 2I'm going to play that again in the trailer. I'm going to find the spot here because it is super cool and I can't. I mean, when was the first use of a squib on a body in films, right, where they shot somebody and there was a visible explosion and they didn't just kind of fall down and go, oh right, I don't know, I it's, it's pretty. Um, yeah, here he is breaking into the old man's cell shot isn't that terrible.
Speaker 2They show that in the entire in the trailer, like they show like almost yeah, they show a lot of the really good stuff here in the trailer.
Speaker 1That's why I hate old trailers. Like love old movies, but old trailers are.
Speaker 2Yeah, look at that look at that freaking, destroying that window well, that's insane yeah, and it's, it's, uh, it's I got smoke, yeah, yeah, wow, oh, I look like the egyptian queen yes, of course look at it.
Speaker 2What a cool design for that mummy. What it's really interesting, because I had this but I thought they had to change everything about Dracula to avoid being sued, but for this they licensed it to them. So this just shows you the faith that the American studios had in these monster movies at the time, and I know Martin Scorsese talks very fondly about hammer in our big book that we both have. He writes the forward Okay, cause these movies were had a profound effect on him. He said that him and all his friends would go see them. I mean, they weren't hits, but with a certain specific demographic, it was filling the need for this kind of thing that the American studios just weren't giving people.
Speaker 1I wonder if he would say the same thing today.
Speaker 2Who Scorsese?
Speaker 1About if these kind of movies are being made today you know, probably not question.
Speaker 2That's interesting would he be a fan of the dark universe.
Speaker 1I don't think so I don't think well, but you could. You would never compare the dark universe to uh, to these movies. The dark universe is going to be trash okay, exactly I enjoyed. I actually did enjoy that tom cruise. I'm sorry, I'm ashamed to say I did enjoy the tom cruise, mummy, when I, when I saw it, but it's, it's trash, I mean it's, it's, it's just watchable garbage, you know trembling color says it's weird that coppola used uh, used the reincarnated lost love thing from the mummy and used it in his dracula.
Speaker 2That movie can do no wrong in my eyes. It's one of my favorite movies ever. I love that movie to death. That doesn't bother me because I believe that, like winona rider is so hot in that film, like you'd find a reason. You know, yeah, I'm a big fan of that movie as well.
Speaker 1It's, uh, it's, uh, it's pretty remarkable I think it's spectacular. Yeah, yeah, it's just very visually stunning and unlike anything you'd ever seen before. For for dracula, which was how, how, how would you expect that to happen? I mean, we've seen so many dracula movies up until that point, and then here he comes and does something totally brand new that's authentic to the uh, to whatever came before as well, as well as the novel.
Speaker 2But it's got the feeling of like reading a novel. I love the production design. I love all his little visual trickery in the movie. I think keanu reeves is good in it, sorry um love keanu. I mean john wick, you know I've seen many strange things since I've been here. Count right, I love that movie. Uh, what do you think?
Speaker 1any more notes on the mummy um, not that I can think of just a beautiful poster art, by the way. Um, I think that that's yeah like the top hammer posters. It's the mummy going through the marshlands and they're shining like a um flashlight through him and the light just like goes through because he's got holes and pores, you know pieces missing throughout his torso, but uh very good yeah, no what sorry, go ahead the hammer posters.
Speaker 2I don't think were ever really all that great.
Speaker 1No, they're not actually, they're really not this is one of the best yeah, like the curse of the werewolf is a really really good poster yeah, that's a good poster.
Speaker 2But yeah, there were, there were a lot that just weren't. And you know what I have to say? I think in the 50s they were going through a weird time with posters, because in america all the rage was, uh, saul bass style posters, that minimalist stuff like anatomy of a murder, exodus, um, north by northwest vertigo, you know, those like minimal. That was kind of the cool thing to do, and the painted 40s posters were kind of on the way out. Yeah, they, they don't, they're not, they're not many. The devil rides out. It's a great poster, but that was kind of getting into the mid sixties. So you're getting a little more pop art, psychedelic shit thrown in there. Um, all right, brother, what's next?
Speaker 1Okay, I think next we're going to do a taste. The blood of Dracula yes.
Speaker 2Should I start with clip let's. Let's set the movie up. Let's set the movie up.
Speaker 1Let's set up this clip, because if you just play this clip, it's going to be like what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2What's the movie about? This is the fifth Dracula film, correct In the hammer.
Speaker 1I'd have to verify that. I'll take your word for it, but it sounds that sounds so Dracula.
Speaker 2Dracula yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, we'll go ahead Horror, dracula and then.
Speaker 2Sisters, sister, bride, lover, wives of Dracula, brides of Dracula. Brides of Dracula. Dracula has risen from the grave.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, no, no, no, I have it here. So, after Brides, dracula, Prince of Darkness, prince of Darkness.
Speaker 2Prince of Darkness, great title.
Speaker 1Then Dracula has risen from the grave 1968. Yep. And then taste the blood of Dracula. Here we are at 1970.
Speaker 2And then scars of Dracula, and then Dracula AD 1972.
Speaker 1Yes, and then technically satanic rights of Dracula and legend the seven golden vampires. According to those, those do get included. They're not with Christopher Lee, though.
Speaker 2Great titles. Yes, the Satanic Rites of Dracula, Taste the Blood of Dracula Spectacular. How could you not go see that? I mean?
Speaker 1Taste the Blood of Dracula in the book. It's got a great Christopher Lee talking about the title. Let me see if I can just find that real quick, I'm tasting my blood Also going through this book. It's pretty interesting. I didn't even realize some of these films were Hammer. There's a bunch of Betty Davis movies from the 60s that are Hammer. I didn't know the Nanny was considered a Hammer movie.
Speaker 2Really.
Speaker 1Yeah, dracula, prince of Darkness. Rasput didn't know, the nanny was considered a hammer movie. Really, yeah uh, dracula, prince of darkness. I can't find anything slowing us down, sorry no problem, this is a live stream. You have to be perfect, you know do you want to talk about the so?
Speaker 2basically the plot of taste the blood of dr Dracula is the opening. First of all, it's getting into that period of Hammer where they were shooting more on location, right. So they tend to look really more contemporary because the sound stages are sort of kept to a minimum, whereas in the early stuff it was all basically set right. They hesitated to shoot outside. But you've got an opening sequence in which we are introduced to a father character's name. Being what?
Speaker 1Whoa, whoa, whoa. I would say even before that the movie begins in the most, oh yeah it's cool. And the movie begins and you're like what is going on? What is this movie going to be about? It's some like a guy, uh, like a kind of like a chubby guy. He's going on a um carriage ride. He's getting like annoyed by the people talking to them and he, I think, does, does he? Oh god, he gets wrong who is that actor?
Speaker 2who's the actor? We did not do our homework you know, I know we didn't, I know we fucked up, because who is that guy?
Speaker 1Weller, let me see I'm on here, I'm looking it up Roy Kinnear.
Speaker 2Oh my God, Okay, hold on. That's the guy. The businessman.
Speaker 1He's grown from the carriage.
Speaker 2He's in Blade Runner. He's the. I think he's the. Oh you know, no, no, no, I'm wrong. He. He is the dad in willy wonka, that's a veruca salt's dad, oh yes, who's in the factory and has the guys unwrapping all the the hershey's and stuff.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, yes, so it's this guy. He's traveling around. He gets thrown off this carriage I can't remember why.
Speaker 1He does something funny and uh, he just was wandering around in the forest in england and uh, he finds, finds Dracula, who's been like impaled with a stake and is dying and then he falls on the ground, disintegrates into blood before his eyes and for some reason, instead of running in terror or getting the hell out of there, he says you know, this would be a good idea. If I get a bottle and I um capture this blood and the row and the, the cloak and the medallion, I don't know, it might come in handy in the future. Right, I mean who?
Speaker 2wouldn't, who wouldn't might come alive and murder me in my sleep, because I was curious and I didn't do my research on this either, but I was like is that the ending of the previous movie is? It okay, well, that's pretty cool. So, yeah, he picks up dracula's blood that, I guess, turns to dust, is that now, canon? Was that part of the idea before that dracula's blood turns into red dust well, like dried, you know, I guess it's dried blood, you know I don't know, you would know.
Speaker 2But I mean, oh yeah, it doesn't really happen.
Speaker 1I mean, okay, thank you. Yeah, I thought.
Speaker 2But it's special, satanic, evil blood, yes, so I get it. But yeah, that's a cool opening, it hooks you right. And then we're thrown into a sort of domestic situation after mass, after church.
Speaker 1There's a family, a father and a wife, the Hargood family.
Speaker 2The Hargood family. And we have William Hargood right, yes, played Emily. And we have William Hardgood right, who is Jeffrey Keene. He's a good, god fearing man. He comes home and he sees his daughter is sort of talking to another guy, right, yes, and he's like you, you've been parading yourself around like a harlot. Right, he's like good, go to your room, slut. Right, yeah, and the wife's like why are you so hot on her? And he's like I have to go out and help the poor, which I do every Sunday night. Right, lo and behold, the guy goes and hangs out with the boys and goes to, like the strip joint, you know, yes, yes, or the brothel or whatever you want to call it. Yeah, yeah. And the and like the sort of like mater D of this whole joint, is like oh, I got something special for you guys this week. Right, yeah, and it's a girl dancing with a snake, you know. And he's like this is not interesting.
Speaker 1Right, they're so bored. They're so bored with all of these their. Their hedonistic lifestyle is like hit its nadir. I guess They've done everything and now they want to know what else? What?
Speaker 2else is there that I can experience, to like satiate my hunger, for you know, like, yeah, yeah, it's kind of like hellraiser yes, that's right that's a good analogy. Yes, yeah, it's like I need. I've every frontier of pleasure and pain. I have seen right um, which I find hard to believe.
Speaker 1I think they probably go on twitter apparently after you get hooks and chains, you know put on.
Speaker 2Yeah, there were no whipping going on or anything.
Speaker 1Yeah, um pulled apart, you know, like drawn and quartered in hellraiser.
Speaker 2Yeah, uh, what is it you called us? We came right. Yeah, do you like hellraiser? Oh yeah, very much yeah, I've only seen the first one, but I remember really enjoying it.
Speaker 1Yeah, the other ones the sequels are. I mean it's it's diminishing returns and the author is um clive barker.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, rawhead rex saw that at a midnight screening clive barker.
Speaker 1Um, I have seen the future of horror and it is clive barker, or something like that. That's what stephen king, like, wrote on the dust jacket, or something like that got it um. Did you see? You didn't see the, the remake of hellraiser that came out like last year, did you or?
Speaker 2this year. No, there's like they made. Like 15 of them.
Speaker 1There's like no, but they made like the remake, the remake oh, they did it was with the female up in head oh was it good um like ish.
Speaker 2It was on hulu, so it was like good ish it had some interesting.
Speaker 1It starts out really, really good. It starts out with this very like intriguing um premise and spin on on how the who has the puzzle box and what they're doing with it, um, and then it just kind of devolves after that and then at the end, by the midway it it's just like oh, this is boring.
Speaker 2Well, the Cenobites are super scary monsters, right? Yeah, I think that first Hellraiser is a really great movie and I think a lot of people.
Speaker 1I mean it's great, I mean it's really good, I love it and it's got one of my favorite actors, andrew J Robinson, in it. I don't.
Speaker 2Why would that be the case?
Speaker 1Andrew J Robinson played Gary on Star Trek Deep Space Nine, one of the most interesting and fascinating Star Trek characters. I've heard a lot of fans.
Speaker 2Wait, he was in Dirty Harry dude.
Speaker 1Yeah, I always forget about that.
Speaker 2Charlie Varick, a movie I reviewed.
Speaker 1He's in that.
Speaker 2I didn't realize. Andrew J Robinson was in Hellraiser. Who does he play? He's the dad. Oh, got it, Okay, okay great, he's the lead.
Speaker 1He gets the lead credit, I guess.
Speaker 2I didn't realize that. Okay, cool.
Speaker 1Yeah, garak was a Cardassian spy that gets left behind on Deep Space Nine and he opens up a tailored clothing store and becomes friends with the doctor. And it's always implied is he or is he not an active spy for the Cardassian Empire? And he always knows stuff, what's going on, and they dance back and forth with their dialogue about what's going on.
Speaker 2His makeup is so unfortunate. Oh, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1I mean, I love that makeup, the cardassian yeah, oh, yeah, yeah yeah, great, great actor, but anyway, yeah, getting back to the, we'll take care of that at some point so then, in the to interrupt the festivities, uh, lord courtley arrives.
Speaker 2And lord courtley is sort of like a. Um, he's like a. I'm really a bad guy. I guess he's immortal or something right, because he's oh, no, no, no Lord is that ever a? Guy oh, I'm getting it mixed up with Dracula, ad 1970. Sorry, yeah, yeah, lord Cortley is just a jerk that's going around.
Speaker 2He's just a guy and he comes and interrupts their thing and they go, who's that guy? And they said, oh, he's Lord Courtly. He's like, you know, really cool and playboy or something. And they go and talk to him and he goes hey, you guys want to do something really wild. What if we, you know like, smoke Dracula's blood out of a crackpot? You know right.
Speaker 1I just love that, the introduction to Lord Courtly courtley, though I think he undersold it. He just barges his way into their private room. The guys have a private room where they have this, the lady dancing with the snake, okay, and she's given, I think, the one guy a lap dance or something like that, and um, he barges in and he says, um, like, you're with me, you know he's like. And then, uh, the, the, the old guys, the older guys get upset. They're like who is this young upstart? They're like that's lord. And um, the women, the women pay him to be with him, or something like the.
Speaker 1The maitre d says something like that, you know, and so they're so enamored with him that they're like this is this is the guy who knows where the action's at, you know.
Speaker 2Right, do you want to take?
Speaker 1your levels to. You want to take your hedonism to the next level.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a, he's the plug, as the zoomers would say Right.
Speaker 1Is that a thing? I don't even know what that means.
Speaker 2Yeah, it means like a, like a drug dealer, right? I?
Speaker 1don't know why they, I don't know why that's. I'm hip, though. I know what's going on, but but like we haven't even hit like maximum, uh, uh, like absurdity yet. But this movie just keeps getting better and better and better in the levels of how crazy and over the top everybody is acting. Everybody's acting like a complete idiot and it's, it's great, I love it. It's like everybody's just like dial it up just a little bit more, you know but.
Speaker 2But like it looks great. The sets are great. You know like it's, it's in key. It's not like a total, like goofball session. You're not laughing at it um you're laughing with it.
Speaker 2It's meant to be a little, a little silly you know what it just, you're like excited watching, you're like this is awesome, like this is really like they're taking the dracula idea and going all in on it, right, yes, um. So anyway, lord courtley takes him to the guy who we saw from the opening prologue and he's like this guy's got the shit. But you know, since you guys are rich, you can buy it and we can do this thing. You know, it's like okay, it's all kind of like a drug deal kind of a thing right um good stuff.
Speaker 1Do you want the really really good stuff?
Speaker 2you know, oh yeah, I know, okay, you gotta walk somewhere weird to like get it or whatever you know, what I mean.
Speaker 2Um, so they get this and they get to the old church, which is, by the way, an amazing spectacular set which they used a great effect in this movie. I noticed, like the the hammer films, they always have sort of like there can be other places they go, but there's always one location that's kind of like that's they. They pick that to be like, you know, I guess in the mummy it would be Peter Cushing's house, sort of the focal point set where a lot of things happen. The church would be this for this movie.
Speaker 1They go there, they start having second thoughts when it comes to drinking Dracula's blood, and because they set it up, though, you have to set it up.
Speaker 2It's just like, okay, what do?
Speaker 1they do. What do they do? So he, he gets. He's like we're going to have a black mass and we're going to this is this is your ultimate expression of like, taking your, your instinct to the next level here. So it gets, they, they, um, they get the blood, the dried blood, the powdered blood. They put it in chalices and then lord courtley cuts his hand and mixes his own blood with the dried blood and it starts bubbling over, you know, over the chalices. It's just dripping out of the thing and he instructs his pupils now his pupils in the ways of Satanism. Here we're all going to drink the blood and that's going to give us our high.
Speaker 2It's terrific.
Speaker 1And the retort and the. Drink damn, you, you.
Speaker 2Drink.
Speaker 5Take a bong rip you fools you, pathetic. Rip you fools you, pathetic spineless fools. You drink, then you drink it.
Speaker 1You drink the filth, fine, I will. I hope you keep going to see what happens at PS.
Speaker 2Oh, I mean, I have him choking here. He starts choking on the blood and dying.
Speaker 1Look at that With the blood covering his mouth, he proceeds to convulse and fall down on the floor and die. Oh, no, but look at him. He dies right away. They proceed to beat him to death.
Speaker 2They just start beating him with their canes and kicking him to death. Yeah, they just start kicking him with their canes and kicking him to death, and he's.
Speaker 2Yeah, they just start kicking him and beating him and um sorry, I like that line and I texted you and I go, I watched a taste of blood, I really liked it, and you just texted me back you drink the filth, you know, um. But the whole time it's a very extended sequence where he's like, drink, drink, and I'm like are you gonna say taste, taste the blood of dracula? He never does, uh, so it's kind of a letdown for me, but um, don't insult the master drink damn.
Speaker 2You drink damn it, which is like what I didn't. What's gonna happen if they drink it?
Speaker 1I think they would also convulse and die too.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, because what happens is that lord courtley dies, and but we should mention that lord courtley, because christopher hated being Dracula. He never talks as Dracula. It's not because they wouldn't give him lines. He didn't. He didn't want to say the lines. I think he was famously quoted as saying just pull shit out of Bram Stoker's book and have me say that, but he's like, but every, every line you give me is horrible. So he just didn't talk.
Speaker 1I found the quote I was looking for, and it's him after he had been coaxed into taking on the role, which he did not want to do for this movie. It says on November 3rd I will start what I hope will be my last film for Hammer. The tasteful title is Taste the Blood of Dracula. As usual, words fail me, as indeed they will also do in this film.
Speaker 2Nice, wow, mic, drop right. So words fail me, as indeed they will also do in this film. Nice, wow, mic, drop right. So why couldn't the guy get work doing?
Speaker 1anything else, christopher, I don't know well, I mean. Well, this is 1970, so he eventually, I mean I mean, did christopher?
Speaker 2everyone knows christopher lee because of sorrow man and count dooku right? That's like 40 years later, exactly, but he had sort of a mainstream renaissance in the 2000s. But I mean yeah.
Speaker 1I mean the biggest other role I think of is Scaramanga in man with the Golden Gun.
Speaker 2Yeah, and in Captain America 2, death Too Soon, of course.
Speaker 1As what was his name? Enrique. And in Captain America 2, death too soon, of course. What was his name?
Speaker 2Enrique, enrique, yeah, miguel, sorry, the secret man of a thousand faces, miguel, disguising himself as a prison warden so that he could do something Make everyone old.
Speaker 1He's in Return from Witch Mountain. That's much later as well, that's in the later 70s, but it's a Disney movie.
Speaker 2But in the 2000s everyone was using him. He was in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Tim Burton remake.
Speaker 1I never saw that, I never saw the remake for that I mean you're not missing out, or anything or where he plays Michael Jackson Willie. Wong as Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's kind of the thing right. Christopher Lee yeah, but I mean it's too bad that he was kind of not appreciated.
Speaker 1Yeah, and these Hammer movies were doing big business in not only in Europe and England but America especially, and he was upset that he was not being paid very much for these roles when hammer was making bank off of him, and so he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1But apparently, from what I read and this is how the original, this is what I think it's in the book too they wanted lord courtley to be the new dracula. So after the original screenplay was, lord courtley was going to drink the blood and he would become the vampire, he would new dracula. So after the original screenplay was, lord courtley was going to drink the blood and he would become the vampire, he would become dracula and carry out the rest of the movie. But warner brothers, who was co-financing this movie and distributing it in america, said uh-uh, we're not paying for this movie unless you promised us christopher lee, so you better get him, otherwise there's no movie. So they coaxed him into doing it and, um, he like worked with the director to like eliminate lines from the movie. He's like no, I don't want to say this.
Speaker 1No, take this out he didn't talk he says like I think maybe 10 or 15 words, and it's like they have destroyed my servant they shall be Right, and he says it with not much more conviction than than that. But no.
Speaker 2And here in the chat, trimming clothes says uh, Lee said they guilted him into doing new Dracula's every time, Um, and saying that he would be putting everyone else out of work if he didn't do it yeah. But yeah it it. From there it kind of becomes a more. I mean there's there's a sort of added element of like this idea that they're trying to cover up this murder, the three city fathers, right?
Speaker 2yeah and their sins are sort of visited upon their children. Uh, it's a fairly effective movie. You know, the the girls are bitten and turn into vampires and, um, I think out of the four kids that are set up as our main sort of kid characters, like three of them, two of them die. Only two survive. So it's kind of a brutal, uncompromising movie. And that that seemed, I mean Christopher Lee, hypnotizes our main girl and forces her to kill her own dad. Now, he was like trying to beat her or something.
Speaker 1You know right, I think he was going to go further, but I'm not sure.
Speaker 2Yeah, who knows? Yeah, but then he gets out of the Mr Summersdale who refused to drink the filth, he dies and there's probably about 45 minutes left in the movie after he's gone.
Speaker 1Yeah, which is weird, because he's not the main character to me. I. I do think the movie takes a bit of a downturn after the aforementioned scene. It builds to that and it's beautiful. And then afterwards, just like Dracula, picking off the guys one by one and other people. And it's fine, it's perfectly watchable, but it doesn't have any of that flair that we saw from the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2No flair that we saw from the beginning of the movie. No, I mean, there are some good moments, like when, um, there are two fathers and they're all their children are three fathers, all their children are involved. Right, there's our one wholesome young lad who wants to date summers b's daughter. And did you catch his?
Speaker 1name. Did you catch his name, by the way?
Speaker 2no, what's his name?
Speaker 1paul, do you notice? Have you seen many of the other Dracula movies?
Speaker 2No.
Speaker 1Every guy is named Paul.
Speaker 2Everyone.
Speaker 1Yeah, like almost all of them, it's always Paul Paul's. In every movie it's a different guy, but just look for that next time you watch one of these.
Speaker 2But there's. I mean, it's kind of harrowing in that, like one of the guy's daughters is bitten and the other father is like you got to fucking stab your daughter with a stake. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, well, I can't do it. And then he ends up getting stabbed with a stake. Yes, right, yes. Is that probably the first time we've ever seen a human Non-vampire get stabbed with a stake?
Speaker 1Yeah, like a human gets impaled with a stake through the heart, held with a stake through the heart. I can't think of it. I mean, the only other time I think of that is in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. One time that would have been like 30 years later.
Speaker 2Sure, yeah, it's a good-looking movie. It's great atmosphere. It's definitely of interesting characters and interesting character dynamics. I watched Dracula, ad 1972, 1972, which is pretty bad. Um, it's the same general plot. There's a lord courtley style character in the film, right, um, and he, but instead of, like you know, three older guys who were trying to juice up their sex life or whatever, it's like all these swinging London hippies, right, and they're like he's, like, you know, it'd be far out and wild and totally, you know, crazy, as if we did a black mass in an old church, right, of course, yeah, of course. Yeah, it's been all great, you know. Yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 2The one good thing about it is that you have um caroline munro in it, who's totally hot. Um, she was in spy who loved me, um, what else? Um, um, boy, oh, captain chronos, vampire hunter. She's in Gorgeous, another Hammer film, one that I'm debating on. Maybe Picking was one of my picks. I might have to throw that at you, but Captain Kronos is a badass movie. It's really good. Yeah, carolyn Monroe, super hot, but, yeah, she gets picked off early by Christopher Lee in that film. But it's the same plot, it's like.
Speaker 1And then this, this maniac as well 1980 right, right um yeah that's a good movie I have not seen that.
Speaker 2It's on the list, oh yeah, I forgot which.
Speaker 1There's something. Oh, the the shotgun. That's shotgun scene in the car, I think, or something, if I recall.
Speaker 2Yeah, isn't there like a power drill kind of no, maybe that's, that's uh's I'm thinking of?
Speaker 1I can't remember, but it's been a while. But there's a really, really good Tom Savini. Uh, I think it's. Tom Savini gets the infamous sequence where Frank murders the boyfriend, played by Tom Savini. Yeah, there's something, oh, yeah, yeah, he shoots him in the head one of the most intricate special effects explosion things from the practical era, which is great, I'll have to check that one out, because I've heard a lot about it. You need to re-watch it, yeah.
Speaker 2I was reading through an old Starlock magazine and she had her own fan club in there. Really. Yeah, she was pretty popular. It's the same old shit, the Lord Courtly guy. And then he dies. And then Christopher Lee is like, well, I must avenge. And he comes back. And Christopher I mean Peter Cushing is actually in it. He plays the great-grandson of Van Helsing.
Speaker 1Oh, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2Yeah, so he plays both characters. There's a prologue at the beginning where it's actually kind of cool. Dracula and him are fighting on a carriage and what kills Dracula is that the carriage crashes and in the crash they get swept under the vehicle and Dracula gets the spoke of the wooden wheel stabbed through his heart and that's how it kills him. Right, that's what kills him, right? Wow. But the rest of the movie is totally goofy, but it still is kind of fun to talk about. It's a, it's total. And they brought in this like fake band that they think that hammer was trying to make take off, like they were like, oh, we're gonna put this band in there. And the opening scene in england in the swinging 60s a little dated, right, I mean, they didn't hit it right on time 72, that shit was basically over, right, um, and they had this band and they played two songs at the beginning. Um, and they're terrible, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, the fucking rumblers or whatever they're calling it White noise yeah.
Speaker 2They're, they're great, they're the greatest band of all time. They're getting everyone shaken and it's, it's brutal, it's brutal I.
Speaker 1I don't remember this at all. I need to. There's another one I need to re-watch because it's been so long yeah, yeah, but taste the blood though, man.
Speaker 2I thought this. This is maybe one of my favorite hammer films.
Speaker 1If I had good, I'm on my list I was really happy with this one. I thought it was awesome yeah, yeah, this is always one of my go-tos. It's just easy to watch and that beginning is just so good. It's great. I mean it's like this is what you want. You know Totally. There's not a lot of. Bs here. It gives you the goods right away up front, and then, yeah, you sit through the sludge, through the back.
Speaker 2It's not as good, but it's still solid. You know, sort of like they go back to the formula.
Speaker 1It's like, okay, the kid's gonna go kill dracula, right? This is like the beginning of the end, a little bit like of there's a, we're starting to hit the decline at this point. This is 1970, you know, it's still good, there's still quality, but it's it's not as good as it was before.
Speaker 2You know yeah, it's, it's. It's wearing a little thin, you know what I mean. It's like, um, it's on autopilot a little bit at this point, but you have just sort of interesting ideas in this when you get to dracula 72, boy, it's just you know. And the thing about dracula 72 is that you watch it and it's maybe a little more violent, a little more brutal than this maybe, but you're like texas chainsaw massacre was coming out this time.
Speaker 1You know, they're just not keep how much is he actually in the movie?
Speaker 2is lee in the movie.
Speaker 1I don't think he comes in until like okay yeah, that's also the detriment of a lot of these later dracula movies is, you know you look at the at least especially horror of dracula. I mean he's in it for the like most of the movie. So having you know you don't have a ralph bates as lord courtley entertaining you, for you know half of taste the blood in these other movies, then there's nothing to really go off of.
Speaker 2Like Scars of Dracula, which is such a bare-bones movie. I mean, that is a movie that's just stretched out to its full time.
Speaker 1So I watched that not more than a year ago and I don't remember a thing about it.
Speaker 2Nothing happens in it. It's like a little village and then they go to Dracula's castle and they just kind of walk around Dracula's castle for like an hour, kind of walk around Dracula's castle for like an hour and then at the end they fight Dracula. You know, it's like it's very just. They're just stretched thin right, um, just just to get something out.
Speaker 1But those movies I watched at like three o'clock in the morning or something.
Speaker 2So yeah, well, it's just a good time to watch these, but they're solid, but yeah, you just can't. I mean when, when was when was Hellraiser 87? Uh, sounds right it's like you can only push it so far, to where it's like you do a satanic mass and drink blood and then christopher lee in a cape shows up you know, it's like you're expecting, like you know, centibites, right, yeah, but uh dracula is disposed of in a very confusing way. It falls off the top of the church or something.
Speaker 1Yeah, but the light is shining through the stained glass or something like that.
Speaker 2Does it get fucked up by looking at Jesus in the stained?
Speaker 1glass? Yes, I believe so. Yeah, which comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2Right, yeah, the last half an hour is a little paint by numbers.
Speaker 1Definitely not as exciting as uh the finale in like horror of dracula where peter cushing is having like a duel to the death with him right using crucifix is making his own makeshift crucifix, you know, shining the light of the sun in, or even in the, the movie that preceded this, where he's getting freaking, impaled on, uh, some giant you know stake wobbling around, yeah, and the movie does suffered this where he's getting freaking, impaled on some giant you know steak wobbling around, yeah, and the movie does suffer, I guess.
Speaker 2Well, you know, I would say my problem is they kill off Mr Corland or whatever about halfway through. I would have liked to have seen the three dads have to make up for their mistake and maybe die trying to kill Dracula to save their kids, rather than just all be killed, picked off one by one you know, yeah, well, they, I mean I guess it goes to show they had zero redeeming qualities.
Speaker 1They were right, horrible people and they, you know, they were disposed of by Dracula, you know yeah or by their own children. You know, in one case the kids had, maybe that's sort of a hippie thing too.
Speaker 2It's like, boy, our parents fucked everything up. It's up to you know, in one case the kids had to. Maybe that's sort of a hippie thing too. It's like, boy, our parents fucked everything up. It's up to us. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Perhaps, 1970. Definitely possible.
Speaker 2You know it was written by.
Speaker 1The original idea came from somebody that was, uh, freddie Francis's son. Kevin wrote the original screenplay, I think they changed. It was rejected and they changed a lot of it, but then they still took some elements and there was some potential issues with plagiarism or something like that. So there was a lot of behind-the-scenes kerfuffle. So, perhaps you're right. If that's the case, the original intent.
Speaker 2Young kid Don't trust anyone over 30, bro, of course we're all fakers, I know. Don't trust me. I'm getting there. What's next, brother? Next?
Speaker 1is my personal favorite of the lot tonight. It's hard because we've talked about two that are top notch, but I will defend this movie to the end. It's shadow of the cat. I love this movie to death.
Speaker 2Can we play the trailer and give people an idea of what we're talking about? Yes, please. Incoming.
Shadow of the Cat: Gothic Mystery with a Feline Twist
Speaker 5One cat, nine lives. Nine lives Walter, Clara, Andrew, Beth, Michael, Jacob, Edgar, Louise, Ella. Nine lives on the edge of terror. Nine lives in the shadow of the cat.
Speaker 2So I like this movie. Andre Morel is the star. I guess he's another Hammer regular who was in Hound of the Baskervillesilles playing Watson does a nice job as a sort of contemptible guy here. You want to go ahead and fill in the people about what the plot of this movie is.
Speaker 1Yes, it's very, very simple. The uh um. An elderly woman, a rich woman, who lives with her husband and some servants. She is murdered one night and it's merged. She's murdered right after. Um, she like, murdered one night and she's murdered right after. She is being forced to change her will, to change it around. So the inheritance is different and the only witness to the murder is a house cat named Tabitha, and the murder is committed by the butler in the house. The butler is under the command of the victim's husband, so they're all in this plot to murder. Ella, I believe, is her name, so that way they can inherit all her money. And now, after this has been done, they are deathly afraid of the cat, because the cat witnessed the murder and they all think the cat is out to get them and will do them in. Whether or not that's an exaggeration of their own subconscious and their guilt or the cat actually has some kind of supernatural, preternatural power and is doing these things to get them.
Speaker 2I liked it. It's a good gimmick, it's a good setup, um, but you know what, once it gets going, you're like, okay, the cats, they're, they're going to all try to catch this cat, which they do. I mean, the whole thing is like, um, they start to get paranoid about the cat because the cat witnessed the murder, right, yes, and the cat's around it doesn't make them feel very good because, like, it's sort of like a reminder of what they've done. So it sort of has an egg ground po style thing there, like the telltale heart, where it's something that's just nagging at you and nagging at you until you have to rip it up, open the floorboards and show them the right, the body. Yeah, you know, it was fun. It's a good premise.
Speaker 2I like a little cute cat running around, especially since the cat is just like the most benign, you know cat and there'll be some like maniacal acting going on from one of our cast members, oh, and they'll just come up to the cat and'll just be like sitting there, you know, like right, but the cat almost has the the sort of like um symbols, monkey horror story kind of a deal to it.
Speaker 2You know where it's like whenever the cat's around, either the person's reaction to the cat or something the cat does causes them to die in a horrible way, um, which is sort of like the vengeance beyond the grave of the old lady who was murdered by andre morel. So in that way I liked it. But at the same time, once that started happening after they had we're trapping the cat in a cage and then it escapes the bag and the guy drowns in the swamp trying to chase the cat, I was like, okay, so the next 40 minutes of this movie is going to be everyone dying in the vicinity of this cat yes so it's just kind of like seeing how that is accomplished, which isn't entertaining.
Speaker 2A guy falls off a roof, someone has a heart attack, someone falls down the stairs. You know it's um, it's fun. I found the main gal who was kind of the good niece and her boyfriend like not very compelling, you know oh really, yeah, they're just.
Speaker 1They're the typical kind of just saintly good people there's always whenever you have these like I don't know, does this qualify as like an old dark house movie kind of?
Speaker 2absolutely that's. We're in a dark house the entire time.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, but like um, you always have the niece. The good niece is always the one who who ends up as, like the um sole beneficiary of like all the wealth and stuff like that. All the rest of the family are scoundrels, they're all in it for the money and it was just this one relative who really loved her aunt and was kind to her and she's she's the one who's going to get all the money and she was the only one left out of the new will and she's like oh, that's okay, I don't, I don't mind, you know. But then all the bad people are like, don't worry, we'll take care of you. Oh, I'll take care of it, I'll make sure she's taken care of you know, it's like okay, like well, my fate.
Speaker 2One of my favorite scenes in the movie, I thought, was when andre morel has sort of like a panic attack when he sees the cat in the attic because they're keep digging around the house, try to find the real will to destroy it and get rid of the evidence that they forged this new one. Yeah and um. So he's bedridden for most of the film, which I don't know if he had the type of christopher lee power to be like I ain't fucking getting out of this bed for this movie, right, but he's in bed the entire time. But the best scene is when the police come and they're interrogating him. They're like, yeah, we think that you know there was foul play here and he's sitting in the bed and he's just lying his ass off. Well, the only one that would benefit from her murder is me, and you know it ain't me, so you better figure it out. She went missing. You know, um, that I liked.
Speaker 1I thought that was fun, he's good that's what I really like about this movie too, is there's there's a um, a definitely a certain level of hot or a high amount of camp to this Everyone's playing. We talked about this with Taste the Blood of Dracula, that everyone's dialing it up past 11. Here it's a little bit more subtle.
Speaker 1It's very much tongue-in-cheek. Everything is meant to be just a little bit goofy and humorous. The characters are all acting ridiculously peculiar and overacting to the point of absurdity, chasing this cat around, trying to trying to kill this cat, and it's just. It played for great comedic effect, especially like I think it's similar to the scene that you just described, where, um, uh, andre morel is talking with the other family members. He calls in his like ne'er-do-well brother and his, his, um, like idiot son, to come and help catch the cat, and they're just as crooked and devious as as as anyone.
Speaker 2And, um, they're talking like gotta kill it, kill it, gotta kill the cat, and then the police like fanatical obsession on killing the cat and to any normal observer is quite strange exactly and the police inspector and the good niece walk in and they're like what the hell is going on with these people right and that obviously gives them away because they're so preoccupied over nothing.
Speaker 1This cat I mean they're that's, and that's why it's a reflection of their guilt they do is as horrible as these people are, and they're pretty horrible. I mean, uh, they do have some level of guilt. That's like suppressed and the cat is like manifesting as that which is a cool idea.
Speaker 2Yeah, and you know, I think that the I had a hard. First of all, I watched this movie on dailymotioncom. I don't even think it was a dvd rip, it was like a cable rip from like bbc4, because there kept being like title breaks in between.
Speaker 1Oh, I've never even heard of daily motion, okay.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's like a shitty video website, but it was that's where I found it for free, cause I couldn't find a DVD.
Speaker 1There is no DVD there is a blu-ray, I believe the first time this was ever released. Least like officially was the shout factory did there is, does their universal, like um collections, they have like six of them. Yeah, you got those are. Those are wonderful, amazing sets um oh, it's in a set it's in a set of four films.
Speaker 1It's got some other weird ones in there, like uh, the man, I think the man they could not hang, or something like that. Okay, and before that I had only seen this on TV. I saw it on. Do you know who Sven Gulli is?
Speaker 2Yeah, of course he's more like the horror host. Yeah, yeah, where was he from?
Speaker 1On MeTV. So that's how. I first saw this movie years ago is that he put it on and I was like I've never seen this movie, I've never heard of it, and it's a universal.
Speaker 2Hammer movie and it's a universal Hammer movie.
Speaker 1You know like, where can I get it? It was never available. And then they finally put out the Blu-ray. But yeah, it definitely needs to be more widely available.
Speaker 2It reminded me a little bit of like Knives Out. You ever see that, the Rian Johnson movie, yeah, unfortunately, where you have a bunch of conniving siblings, you know, in a house and they're all sort of archetypes of representations of certain political groups or whatever you want to call it. You know you have the. There's the right-wing political people, there's the left-wingers, there's the natural fibers lady. But I don't think I'm connected enough to British society in the late 50s to understand maybe what these characters represent as a stereotype. And I also sort of lost track of all the different british society in the late 50s to understand maybe what these characters represent as like a stereotype. And I also sort of lost track of all the different family members who were supposed to die um in the film well, I mean, it's really the the.
Speaker 1It starts with um andre morel and the two servants, uh, andrew and clara and clara the scene that's like one of my other favorites is when, uh, she's like just hysterically screaming all the time because after they supposedly killed the cat, they threw it in the swamp and but that's when Andrew got his comeuppance. The cat left all its paw prints on the, uh, on the countertop and she's just like screaming her head off from seeing that, and she's then she's at these.
Speaker 1I don't know if that's the same part where she throws the knife at the door when.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1It's like God, like get a hold, get a grip on yourself, lady.
Speaker 2Like it's a cat. It was a fun movie. I have a hard time putting it in like the Hammer Pantheon and comparing it to anything else. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1Well, it's actually interesting you bring that up because there was a lot of debate. Apparently from the research that I did on this, I was watching a little bit of the Blu-ray commentary as well. It was a lot of. It was a controversial, I guess. Was Shadow of the Cat even a Hammer? Film for a long period of time Because, if you notice, at the beginning of the movie the name Hammer does not appear anywhere in the credits. It says BHP, I think or something like that.
Speaker 1So it's a very convoluted history and I had to listen to it multiple times from the guy in the commentary because it was like what come again. Anyway, the long short story is BHP was this other production company and I had to listen to it multiple times from the guy in the commentary because it was like what Come again?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Anyway, the long short story is BHP was this other production company. They wrote the script for Shadow of the Cat. They tried to sell it to Hammer. Hammer said no, it's like okay, but we don't have room for it right now. But what happened is they were making Curse of the Werewolf and they were supposed to make this other film called the inquisitor yeah, the inquisitor which is like a some spanish inquisition movie or something like that.
Speaker 2they're doing curse of the werewolf with universal.
Speaker 1Inquisitor was supposed to be with columbia. Apparently they're also only allowed to make one film outside of columbia at this time. From some other kind of contractual obligation, Inquisitor falls through completely. And so now they buy up the rights to Shadow of the Cat. Universal agrees to co-finance it. I think they do it back-to-back with Curse of the Werewolf and they do it on a double bill with Universal.
Speaker 2I saw the trailer. That was the double bill trailer on YouTube. Yeah, for Curse of the Werewolf and this Boy. I would have liked to have seen inquisitor.
Speaker 1That sounds kind of badass, yeah for sure. Um, no, just for reference. The blu-ray uh is with uh four movies. So shadow of the cat, the thing that couldn't die, sorry, that was. That was what I was starting to think of, not the man they could not hang. Cult of the Cobra, very interesting one, and Black Castle, which is a very forgettable Karloff movie.
Speaker 2Got it.
Speaker 1It's starting to scrape like the bottom of the barrel. This is volume six of Universal Horror.
Speaker 2Oh my yeah, you really pulled out an asterisk film for this. Oh yeah, boy, I liked it, it's a good movie.
Speaker 1It's a little bit better than. Volume 5 of Universal Horror, if you see that one. Those are the Jungle Woman, Jungle Captive, Captive, Wild Woman and Monster and the Girl Hell yes, monster and the Girl.
Speaker 2Have you seen that one? No, it sounds.
Speaker 1Oh no, it's actually quite good.
Speaker 2It's actually a Paramount horror movie from the 30s that got co-opted by universal when I first watched this, I was expecting and maybe this is just a I thought, was it like a cat people kind of a thing? Like? Yeah suggesting horror, a lot of shadows and stuff kind of, but not really. I mean, it really gets after it.
Speaker 1You know it's pretty explicit like yeah, it's going around. Oh, what did you think of the cat vision?
Speaker 2uh part oh, where they warped the, the film kind of this way yes, right, that's the cat vision um interesting gimmick, you know it's not bad.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean the only thing is the music. It's a little much about. Every time the cat appears on screen they play that Like I don't know what.
Speaker 2They didn't pick like a black cat, it's just like a striped brown.
Speaker 1It's a tabby. Yeah, oh no, it's actually not a tabby, it's like. It's like a tortoisey cat.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's just kind of hanging out doing his thing. But, like, the movie does have a scene where somebody dies and then they were like we gotta call the police and tell them the cat murdered somebody else. And they cut to the cat. He's just like playing with a ball. You know this kind of whimsical music going. So it's like, uh, it's, it knows what it's doing. It's a fun little movie.
Speaker 1I really did enjoy it and I'm a big, I'm a big cat person, so you, know, so am I. So it really those you know kind of warms my heart you know, I agree I like the cat in the movie.
Speaker 2He was fun and um, he's sort of the vengeful or whatever. She is sort of the vengeful spirit of the aunt right. And then of course we get sort of the um, we have to get out of this house, we can get out of here. There's too much death and murder that's happened here. And then someone else moves in and um, I guess they inherit the cat and the house and they go oh, let's get grandpa on there. If only he would change his will, right so this is an avenging angel of the elderly abused for their cash.
Speaker 1I'm surprised that the niece and her new husband didn't take Tabitha with them why wouldn't they?
Speaker 2but then there was that weird line too, where, like, the niece is talking to her boyfriend and she's like no, no more women, just me from now on.
Speaker 1Oh I didn't catch that part.
Speaker 2What? Yeah, okay, I don't get it, but care if we take a quick break before we finish out with she.
Speaker 1Absolutely.
Speaker 2All right, everybody, we'll be back in a little bit. Thank you, guitar solo. ¶¶. ¶¶. © transcript Emily Beynon, you, you, you. Courtney says I'm digging your inner title cards, slash music yeah, we're spicing things up, for sure.
Speaker 1Get a copyright strike for that, you know? Yeah, I hope not. I have to like. It. Lets me cut those out when I do the recorded version. So I just cut it out.
Speaker 2Oh sure, so you don't get a strike. Yeah, I don't care about getting a strike. It's not a big deal, yeah. I don't get a strike. Yeah, I don't care about. Yeah, I don't care I could find restriction. You're out, you know I've got some powerful lawyers behind me, let's go um. No, I just recently fought my fury video. They were gonna yank that and I challenged it and I won.
Speaker 1So oh really that's good yeah yeah what's the main issue? Is it the music?
Speaker 2music usually does get you, yeah, which I like to use music like underlying when I talk um, but usually they get mad at the music sometimes, if I like. In the fury video I used like a very long extended scene that I kind of talked through the uh, they weren't happy about that.
Speaker 1The escape scene right.
Speaker 2The escape from yeah, yeah they weren't happy about that, but I feel like I had to do it. So I don't know quite.
Speaker 1I don't know if we talked about this on the stream or not, because it wasn't. Probably wasn't out when the last time we did one, but that was an excellent video. I really really enjoyed it and I had not seen the fury, but I watched it before because you did the video and this's looked interesting, so I really enjoyed the movie as well.
Speaker 2I'm glad to hear that I really liked Johnny guitar. I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet though, but yeah but yeah the fury definitely.
Speaker 1I've recommended it to a few people as well, actually.
Speaker 2Oh cool. What do you? What are you working on next?
Speaker 1I actually don't have anything in the works right now. I'm sad to say I got a little bit of a stressful situation going on for the next couple of weeks, but after that I'll probably be working on the Christmas stuff at that point, so some classic. Christmas specials. I want to do Christmas specials and movies, probably more the animated stuff, I think. I have a script written for a. I've mentioned this to you before. It's a forgotten 70s TV special called Nestor the Long-Eared Christmas Donkey.
Speaker 2Yeah, that sounds great.
Speaker 1So I think that would be a lot of fun and I would like to do. I actually have a thing written for the Flintstones. They're multiple. Christmas specials, which I think would be something good to do this year too. I'd love it and I, my main, my golden goose or whatever uh would be to do Yogi's first Christmas Cause. I love that movie and it's. It's horrible, it's all. It's one of the worst movies ever made, but it's, it's I worst movies ever made, but it's I love it, love every second of it.
Speaker 2I used to force my family to watch that every year and they would hate me for it. I, I think after hammer, we're gonna do um 70s animated films from right.
Speaker 1Yeah, correct, I'd like to do that yeah, we'll do the disney ones, and then if you want to do part two with non-disney, we could could do that, if not switch to something else.
Speaker 2I would love to do a Ralph Bakshi show.
Speaker 1Yeah, I would do that Totally.
Speaker 2Love to do a Ralph Bakshi show Fire and Ice. Cool World Wizards. Lord of the. Rings, American Pop, Fritz Cat there's a lot to pick from. I'd love to do a Ralph Bakshi show. That'd be great.
Speaker 1We can do that. Later we can switch to something else.
Speaker 2Whenever? Yeah, just in time for Christmas. Fritz the Cat and Cool World Cool.
Speaker 1World is like I've not seen Fritz the Cat. I have read about it in depth, but I've never actually watched it.
Speaker 2Cool World is fucking unwatchable. It's so bad, okay, so bad. But you know, if you like back she, you kind of have to appreciate it a little bit, which I do. I like ralph boxy a lot. I actually have a. I don't think ralph's in the best health and his kids have been auctioning off all of his shit on ebay, so I've got a still from the lord of the rings, a painted frame from the movie that that movie is just.
Speaker 1I always enjoy watching that movie, just because it's so weird, I mean it's not really yeah, lord of the Rings. It's not particularly enjoyable per se, but it's, it's just. I never, it never, ceases to amaze me how much visually interesting and stimulating material is in that movie.
Speaker 2So it's got the same problem with all of his movies in that like he made them linearly and then he ran out of money by the end. So the end is just totally cobbled together, right? Because the opening, like first 30 minutes of lord of the rings, is like spectacular beautiful, you know, everything's animated to a t, the, the background art is spectacular, and then he just gets to the end he goes let's just rotoscope the shit out of the rest of this movie, right?
Speaker 1but think about how weird that is if they filmed that in real life yeah and then they traced it.
Speaker 2I mean that's which is what they did with snow white I guess, but not to the same extent like they. They photographed the fluid movements of a person. Yeah, then they animated it. You, ralph Bakshi, just traces a motherfucker yeah not always. There will be moments where that will not be the case, but as he runs out of money slowly and has to end the movie in the middle of the two towers, then it's over, but they continue to fight the end such a weird mix of a career.
Speaker 1His career, just his, his career is so fascinating because from where he starts, where he ends up and kind of then leads back to, I mean, such a a wide array of uh stuff there you got a fan in the chat sir sebastian urbano.
Speaker 2yeah, thank, crisis, we love you. I don't know who's we Are, we the royal, we? But please elaborate, sebastian.
Speaker 1Thanks for the comment there.
Speaker 2That is an amazing collection you have back there.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm very proud of that collection.
Speaker 2Oh, Courtney's got it, and in time the war was won, but not in this movie movie. You have to wait for the rankin bass adaption for that to happen oh yeah, 83 or whatever, which is actually kind of badass. The rankin bass.
Speaker 1Return of the king yeah, they did the hobbit and then they did return to the king.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's kind of cool, like some of the character design stuff. Um is really good. We the cine crisis fans. Sebastian, are you, are you my fan too? Or just can you be both, is it just? I don't want to create one. I'll wait for a response on that one. Um boy, it's fun having chat people, seven viewers, that's pretty damn good. Return of the king is a masterpiece. Okay, that's not. I mean, the design of the Witch King is cool. Cine Crisis is just top tier oh man, you're making me blush what's that make me I don't know what this guy's.
Speaker 2Who's this guy? Okay, anyway that's nice. Okay.
Speaker 1She. Yes so we're talking about she, she who must be obeyed Gladly. Also known as she has another title too, she has three titles, four names.
Speaker 1I guess she's Aisha, she's she, she's she who must be obeyed and she who? I can't remember the fourth one. But anyway I picked this movie. I remembered it being very, very interesting. The first time I saw it, probably close to 10 years ago, this was one of the first movies that I bought when the Warner Archive first came out and they started releasing a bunch of weird, obscure old movies on DVD I saw this was Hammer. Ursula Andress, peter Cushing was like sold. Get me that DVD. I watched it, I liked it. I sort of never watched it again, but I remember it being good. I definitely thought there was just much more like a horror angle to it, but it's not.
Speaker 1It's like an it's like an adventure movie.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's an adventure movie. I mean there's some horrific moments like when they throw everybody down the well and throw them into the fire. I mean there's a lot out of here that's very much like temple of doom throw them into the fire. I mean there's a lot out of here that's very much like Temple of Doom.
Speaker 1Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2I put you the little clip show here to give people an idea of what the movie is like. Yeah, because it's a very visually interesting movie. It's pretty lavish. I love that. Those big block letters you know Basically the story of like three buddies from the war. You have the sort of manservant archetype which doesn't exist in American fiction but does in British fiction. And, by the way, to bring it back to Lord of the Rings, to the consternation of many, no, sam is not like Frodo's gay lover, he's the manservant archetype from British fiction which is exactly what the one guy there's this main dude here who's kind of the handsome guy who falls for Ursula Andress. There's Peter Cushing, who's the scientist.
Speaker 1Yeah, he looks like, you know, bobby Kennedy in the old coin, yeah, playing the ethnic character he's an.
Speaker 2Arab. He's an Egyptian.
Speaker 1He's an Arab and probably something else in many other movies. Well he's, I guess he's an arab. And probably something else in many other movies that we don't even. Well, he's, I guess he's scaramanga. Is he italian in the man with the golden gun? I can't remember possibly.
Speaker 2Yeah, he was saruman. Holy shit, sebastian. You just blew my mind there, bro. Um go ahead. Indeed, yeah, one of the things I really liked you just blew my mind there, bro, go ahead Indeed.
Speaker 1Yeah, One of the things I really liked about this movie, though, was you can see it from the trailer it's also a pretty lavish set design and exteriors here, and I think the visual component of it is one of the highlights of the movie, and that goes throughout the entire movie as we move from location to location. You know you have pretty uh good desert scenes.
Speaker 1You have the intricate film location in the desert yeah, they're in like jerusalem at the beginning and the nightclub and all that, and then when we get to the lost city, that's also a pretty extensive and elaborate set. That's. That's very detailed and, and you know, visually appealing. So I think visually this movie has a lot going for it. Story-wise it's not as tight as it could be. It's a little confusing, I think.
Speaker 1But I think the atmosphere and the kind of like ambiance that you get from it in general kind of like, outweighs the story problems.
Speaker 2Do you know who the American distributor was for this? Was it MGM?
Speaker 1I think so, because at least they own it now. Yeah, so, mgm, probably.
Speaker 2Yeah, because I know that I read in the book that there was a little bit of like hey, if we can get Ursula Anders for this shit, will you give us some money? Yeah, will you put a push behind this? And it was a big hit, right? Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's gorgeous and this is coming off the tales of Dr no a couple years later, Exactly where she captured everyone's heart. And of course she's dubbed again in this movie. I don't know what her natural voice sounds like.
Speaker 2No, but yeah, this scene is pretty horrific. Here you have in this situation it's like a society where she, who must be obeyed, is like a shake Lords over all of these more tribal people within her domain, I guess, and treat some like slaves and they revolt and try to. What do they do? Oh, they tried to kill the guy who looked like her long-lost lover. Again, we have another long-lost lover trope here of you look like my old husband and so she throws him down this flaming pit and obviously Peter Cushing is like this is don't do this, this is bad, bad shit. But yeah, overall I really enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a fun story. It's based on a book by H Ryder Haggard, who also wrote King Solomon's Mind Early adventure fiction kind of guy, and I appreciated that and I think I'm going to check out some of his books because they sound kind of fun.
Speaker 1And we sort of talked about this on our own. But the King Solomon's Mind. There's many adaptations of that, but the 1950s one, I think, is I think that's one I can't remember 1950 or so um, that's, that's one of my favorites. It's actually, uh, an excellent adaptation.
She: Hammer's Adventure into Epic Fantasy
Speaker 2It's the quarter main character, right that you saw, later in um in uh movies like league of extraordinary gentlemen, um things like that made alan quarter main films in the 80s, to rip up indiana jones too oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 1Sharon Stone gutter starting those oh, really okay yeah so King Solomon's Mine from the 50s is one of the most beautiful like on location in Africa kind of movies that you can find from that time period um but this movie. I don't know if we really described the plot all that much, but no. So we started though a group of three guys. They've they fought in world war one for the british. The war is over, they're in jerusalem and they're kind of just. They don't want to go home.
Speaker 1Yet um one of the guys, the younger guy, he gets approached by um a young woman who says you, this is you, look like the reincarnation of she gives him the coin she gives him the coin with his face on it and tells him you look like this long lost person from ancient times and you must meet she who must be obeyed or she who waits. I think that's it she who waits will that get me laid basically? But, he falls in love with this other woman instead. Who's like the handmaiden for she, and so they go. She gives them a map and a coin, and the map leads to the lost city of Kuma, something like that. I don't remember.
Speaker 1And the other guys are like, hey, we want to come too. So they go on this adventure. They find the lost city and they meet Aisha, who is she who must be obeyed, and, uh, she is an immortal. She's existed for thousands of years because she went into this like flaming pit of fire. That gives you immortality. Yeah, I don't remember how her husband or her lover died, but she killed him out of jealousy yes, yes and she goes, but I regret it.
Speaker 2And now you've come back to me, my love, and you must forsake the mortal world and be with me forever, and he's kind of like come into the flame.
Speaker 1I confused this with the story of like the immortal Phoenix, because the fire and the immortality and all that. But it's not, it's not a. Phoenix story at all. You know it's very different kind of like deity entity thing going on here.
Speaker 2She's immortal and her civilization is sort of crumbled and so her goal is to rebuild that civilization and she can only do it with her. It's very much like a clearopatra Mark Anthony type of relationship, right? Yes, it's kind of where it's drawing from, I feel like when I believe historically Cleopatra was like Greek but she became the queen of Egypt, right, yeah, and this is very much similar where she rules over these poor peasant peoples. And then you have it's sort of like a I don't know if you want to say like a Bedouin style situation where you have, like this guy who's like in charge, he's like he's in charge of them, he's the father of the handmaiden and he's like, if these people keep being treated so cruelly, they will eventually revolt. I can feel that it's coming. You know, the fact that you guys are here might be a harbinger for the end of she, who must be obeyed, who has ruled with an iron fist.
Speaker 2Unfortunately, our main heartthrob male character is just totally smitten with her, and christopher lee is there for, you know, historical purposes, because he wants to visit the city, but he quickly finds it's not what he actually wants. It's pretty terrible. They try to convince this guy not to fall under her spell, which he does, and, and it culminates with the handmaiden, who also has feelings for him and is the girl you know he really should be with Right, but she is burned to death in the pit of lava, which was shocked me, yeah, right. Well, they actually did that because they give the blonde guy a choice they go, you know, spare her life or, you know, forsake, you know, your rightful place at my hand, my right hand, right, and he, he ends up going with Ursula Andrus. And then they burn the sweet handmaiden girl Alive, return the ashes to her father and the tribesmen, and then they decide that's the catalyst for revolt, right.
Speaker 1Not only did they return the ashes, to him, but then he starts sprinkling. The guy who's returning them to the father starts sprinkling them on the ground in front of him, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah. It's like that's really the catalyst, that's the straw that breaks the camel's back there, there's the rub.
Speaker 2Yeah. So and then they're basically caught up in this and peter cushing and the man serving guy are like, okay, we gotta get this dude back from the precipice. But unfortunately he's about to step into the ancient ceremonial blue flame, um, and then ursula andrews steps into it, not realizing that if you go into it twice, the effects are reversed and she rapidly becomes old and gross. Very indiana jones, right where you. You go through the ritual at the end and then you're horrifically disfigured, right and she. She becomes old and gross before his eyes and he's in the flame. So he becomes immortal.
Speaker 1But there's nothing to live for because the kingdom is destroyed and she is gone right and you have to wait a certain like number of years for the flame to return yeah, like a thousand years and um, there's also a subplot where Christopher Lee, who plays her kind of like manservant I guess he wants to be the one to receive the immortality because he's worked for her, he's taken all her abuse, he's done what she asked, but now she's going to take this other guy just because he looks like her long lost lover and it's like no, that should be me, but so he kind of steps in the way and kind of intervenes too and stokes the flames of dissent.
Speaker 2So I liked his character. I thought Christopher was pretty compelling in that role. He was cool, he had something to do, you know, he had like not kicked up with makeup? Yeah, At the end when he's struggling to get in the flame, I was like, yeah, you go, dude, get in the flame, because our sort of handsome male lead, I think, is rather I was giving every warning that this is a bad idea. He's not the most compelling lead.
Speaker 1He's not the most interesting or dynamic character. He's just kind of love struck or, or you know, head over heels in love with and he can't choose. He will, he does choose, but he's debating which one should I go with and he ultimately chooses the one that gives is going to give him the power and the immortality rather than, I guess, the true love or affection that he's felt for the other woman.
Speaker 2Yeah, john Richardson is the actor. He's not. Also in one million years bc with raquel welch, which is very much a companion to this. Yes, um, and another hammer film. This was such a hit yeah the neck yeah like the hammer glamour, they call it.
Speaker 1This was the start of of that era of hammer, and this was the first Hammer movie to be entirely devoted to and revolve around a female star as opposed to any of the other ones.
Speaker 1It's definitely something interesting to look back and say how they expanded their horizons and entered different genres that overlap with horror but have horrific elements, like you said, I think is the best way to describe it um, but um are kind of exploring other boundaries and other genres while using our same cast of characters, you know I think this, this one was actually a good pick.
Speaker 2I mean, you were kind of telling me on the phone oh it's not really scary, but that's fine, because I like to explore the breadth of hammer in terms of how they played in the genre film sandbox. I mean that was their thing, right. Yeah, they were the only game in town for genre at the time. I mean really yeah. Then obviously genre has come to become the dominating force in film today. But in Hollywood in America, it was what Musicals, romantic comedies, war, western films. Hollywood in America it was what musicals, romantic comedies, war, western films, you know.
Speaker 1Musicals, especially in the in the fifties and sixties, still huge. This was 65. I think so, Something like that I lost it on here.
Speaker 2But I mean, would you would it be fair to say? I know that there have been, you know, female celebrities and leading ladies in the Hollywood golden age, but I think the James Bond idea of like this is the it girl kind of became popularized around this time. Right, I mean, would I be wrong in saying that Megan Fox was kind of the last it girl of our time? You know what I mean, where? It's like she was such a hit and such. You know a poster on the wall for 13 year old boys in 2008. It's like she was such a hit and such. You know a poster on the wall for 13 year old boys in 2008. It's like, well, let's give her her own movie. This just celebrates her sexuality and her image. And you know, right, I mean, this is ultimate like, even like something you get.
Speaker 1One that comes to mind is like jennifer's body, that's exactly that was her like.
Speaker 2She's the goddess you know let's yeah exactly.
Speaker 1I don't think there is anything like that nowadays. Maybe because it's not considered in vogue to do something like that anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 2No, but yeah, this was sort of like I'm trying to think of more examples throughout film history, but I think the James Bond girl has like sort of been a catalyst for this idea, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, I think. I mean Ursula Andres is certainly a great example of Raquel Welch, like you mentioned, even like Jane Fonda too. These are all you know they're. They're certainly Jane Fonda, and Raquel Welch are a little bit more talented than Ursula.
Speaker 2Andrews.
Speaker 1The Andrews is not really much of a talent so much to the point where they have to dub her lines in every movie that she's in, but you know the others they were talented actresses who also were beautiful women and could hold a movie based on that premise. So you know, that's kind of the model that we're striving for in a movie like she.
Speaker 2Courtney says I think anybody can look it in quotes with filters. I would disagree If Honey Rider didn't have that little bikini knife. It's a whole different world. That was huge right.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2It's always just, it is a je ne sais quoi. It's an imperceptible thing.
Speaker 1You have it. Genesee qua right. It's an imperceptible thing.
Speaker 2You have it Exactly A hundred percent. But no, I really enjoyed it, I thought. You know, I thought Peter Cushing served his purpose well here in the movie. I liked the man servant guy a lot who was hold on, I had him here. He Bernard Cribbins, Hold on, I had him here, bernard Cribbins.
Speaker 1He was good. Yeah, no, the cast is good and it's again visually based on the sets, the what I really kind of it's it's hard to. This is one of those movies that I watch and it's it's hard to remember what happened or or the details, because they're talking and they're having these conversations but they're like what's what's important or what's not, and it's like you really have to focus and you know, I don't think it's stimulating enough on that level to make you want to pay attention to some of those details well it's, it's tough, it's like you can map out the uh, first act because there's a lot of exploring through the desert.
Speaker 2But I get that because they traveled all the way to saudi arabia or wherever the hell. They filmed this at tunisia, probably, and they just I mean that seems a little overlong, but shit, we, we went all the way out here. Why not use it? You know what I mean, um, but once you get to the castle, you're kind of in the castle and everything that happens kind of gets jumbled up in your mind, like you know what I mean. But, um, overall I really liked it.
Speaker 2I mean, it's one of those early people always talk about, constantly about the inspiration for Indiana Jones and they always sort of misidentify. They're like, oh, it's like you know 1930s. Yeah, it's one of those like movie narratives. Oh, it was inspired by cereals, which ones I don't know, we don't know. Just they were, they were out there somewhere. But this is very much has the fingerprints of like a future indiana jones plot all over it. Right, we go to the special temple. The person, the evil person, goes into the magic thing and turns, turns, gross, their heads explode, they turn old, whatever, right, um, but no, I really liked it. I'm looking forward to actually reading some of haggard's books. I've been reading recently a lot of um robert e howard conan stories oh nice yeah, what ever happened with that conan?
Speaker 2the barbarian thing you were going to do well, you know I don't think it's still on, but I, I, I had about three people lined up to do a conan the barbarian review with me because I figured I wanted to talk about conan. But I, I figured so much has been said, what am I going to add? Right? So I was like it'd be fun, maybe, to have somebody else to bounce off with um and just to basically, in a shameful way, capitalize off the conan name, because I feel like people come to my channel they might see, they might click on a video they know and they look at the rest of my catalog and they go. I've never seen any of this shit, right?
Speaker 2so if I can have, come on yeah, yeah, right, I want to see that so bad um but, good, I, they, they're, they're, they're putting it out on 4k, so in november I think.
Speaker 1So I'm waiting for that to buy that oh perfect.
Speaker 2I don't want to buy the blu-ray and then double dip. So, but you know I had always put off reading the howard conan stories because I was like well, these are written in the 30s, I mean, how good could they really be. You know, I had always put off reading the Howard Conan stories Cause I was like well, these were written in the thirties, I mean, how good could they really be.
Speaker 1You know, that kind of stuff written in the thirties is the best.
Speaker 2They're terrific. Yeah, they are terrific, they're super good. Um, I mean, uh, there's a, there's a novella he wrote called the Scarlet Citadel, and I'm like this is this could have been written today.
Speaker 1It's so good, um, that pulp stuff from from the early 30s. So I have that book and I met I. I never, I never. I'm ashamed to say I never read it I bought it out of reading it. Yeah, no, after this, after this, next month, I'll have more time to read, for.
Speaker 2I've read or audio booked about eight of the stories at this point and um some are better than others, for sure, but like the scarlet citadel and um the queen of the black coast, like really good um so time frame stuff is really good.
Speaker 1I mean, I love the edgar rice burroughs stuff from that time period yeah, I've never read it. I should read some of it yeah, the tarzan and john carter stuff. Um, then I've talked about, um, sax roamer and fu manchu books. Those are really really good. Um, any kind of adventure stuff is is gold. I mean, that's the stuff we were mining for for decades. Yes, um, you know, movies, tv comics uh, I do have a couple of the conan comics, but I was always more of like a tarzan fan than conan, so I really collected the tarzan comics way more.
Speaker 1I have like a complete run of the dc. Uh, tarzan, the joe cubert stuff, those are, those are oh sure, yeah, I always liked Conan.
Speaker 2I learned about him from the Marvel comics, obviously. Okay, right, and the movie.
Speaker 1And he wrote almost all those Conan stories for Marvel and he was like a devotee of the book.
Speaker 2And he wrote the script for Conan the Destroyer.
Speaker 1Really. Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2Yeah, which gets a bad rap. It's definitely not a good follow-up to Milius' film, but on its own merits it's okay. If you're looking for a sword and sorcery 80s movie, if you're watching Labyrinth and stuff like that, just throw Conan the Destroyer on it. It fits perfectly. Tremblingcolor says have you heard of the other British horror studio called Amicus? They're mostly known for their anthology movies. Yes, and I know that Amicus made a film with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing and, I think, vincent Price in the late 70s that was trying to recapture the Hammer magic. But beyond that I don't know a whole lot about Amicus. Oh, I don't know a whole lot about.
Speaker 1Amicus. Oh, I've heard of some of these movies, but I didn't know that that was a major company. Oh yeah, they did the Tales from the Crypt movie like the first one, the House that Dripped Blood. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard of some of these, but I did not know that was the name of the company. That's cool. I'll have to definitely check these out that's cool.
Speaker 2I have to definitely check these out. Yeah, I agree. Uh, courtney says ha ha, the dc marvel split prevails for the boys. Yes, it's a big bone of contention, but, uh, I think it's why this works you gotta uh, you gotta expand your horizons.
Speaker 1You know, gotta, check out that dc stuff. You know, oh my gosh, recommend some good stuff. You know some justice society of america. You know, oh my gosh, recommend some good stuff. You know some justice society of america. You know, it's like funny daddy 1940s characters flash those little tin tin hat and the great jay garrick's amazing, you know jay garrick got it, got it.
Speaker 2but um, yeah, I know the the conan stuff is great, and the other thing about howard that I've found interesting is that howard and millius were very similar in their outlooks and their philosophies and perspectives on life, and I've been reading some of the letters. Hp, lovecraft and Howard were were prolific pen pals and they debate a lot of yeah, a lot of like sort of philosophical issues and they're fascinating to read. So Howard was a cool guy.
Speaker 1That entire generation of writers. Their creativity and their ingenuity for creating these large concepts is something that we just do not have. I don't know if that's because we're so thinking about the past or we're not. I don't know why no one today is coming up with any new ideas of this magnitude. We're all just trying to copy what's been done before, and yeah I don't know what. What do you think it's like?
Speaker 2but you have to admit, I mean, we watch these hammer films and it's very much. They are following the universal playbook to a certain extent and capitalizing on the IP, as it were, of those, but it's just through a different filter, different lens, a different sensibility.
Speaker 1But those are those universal films are in themselves adaptations of novels.
Speaker 2Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1For the most part. But yeah, I mean there's definitely some. They definitely, they definitely um laid the turf down, I mean for like the werewolf and stuff have you seen like um, werewolf of london before the wolfman. Have you seen that one?
Speaker 2that's an interesting kind of no, no, oh yeah. So before the wolfman.
Speaker 1Wolfman came out in like 41,. I think there's an original werewolf movie is called Werewolf of London. It's very different than Wolfman mythology entirely. And it gets forgotten from like the mid 30s. It's pretty good with Werner Ohlund in. It Play Charlie Chan in many films.
Speaker 2How do I get started in the Charlie Chan movies? How do I get into?
Speaker 1that. Oh, you know, I don't know Are those still in print, because those are all owned by Fox. That's interesting.
Speaker 2I will put that on the list.
Speaker 1For sure, charlie Chan Fox. I think they're probably out of print. Oh no, some of them. You can buy them individually now and they're all like 18 or 15 dollars, which is ridiculous um you used to have the charlie chan box sets and I have them all, um, yeah, like they're out of.
Speaker 1The one here is like charlie chan volume 575 dollars on amazon, which I think we got them at costco for, like you know, like 20 bucks or whatever, um, but yeah, the warner olin ones are the best. And then those were made by 20th century fox. They were like their b movie unit back in the day for the for them.
Speaker 1Um they made other ones like that like the uh, mr moto, have you heard of those with people? Yeah, those are interesting ones too. Um, and then later on the series moved to, I think, monogram and they're, ah, not good at all they're there's other actors like sydney toller and, uh, roland winters. They're okay, but warner, roland is like the, the definitive charlie chan, for I think for me at least and for most people.
Speaker 2Have you ever watched the thin man movies?
Speaker 1Yes, I'm, I struggle with those. Okay, they're not really. I have to redo them because I tried to watch the thin man a while ago. I just just wasn't doing the first one.
Speaker 2Yeah, oh, I love the first one. I mean the. The sequels are diminishing returns, for sure, but William Powell is such a terrific comedian actor, I mean, he was just so good. Have you ever seen my man Godfrey? Mm-mm. William Powell is a great sort of forgotten star. He really was great. He had a lot of real charisma. He had sort of an aristocratic charm about him.
Speaker 1You know very erudite, uh, sort of a straight man um yeah, I would give the thin man another watch, but that was sort of full story. Uh, I have the box. I have the box I need to.
Speaker 2I just need to sit down yeah, it was a dashiell hammett, creation actually, um I like the comment here.
Speaker 1the the Shadow and Doc Savage are cool. I'll definitely agree. The Shadow is such a great character that has sadly been forgotten and discarded.
Speaker 2Doc Savage- has he been in the Alec Baldwin movie, which I thought was kind of cool?
Speaker 1That was like 30 years ago almost at this point.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, I mean he's been in the.
Speaker 1They've done comics of late but that's about it.
Speaker 2DC did a comic of him, didn't they? In the 70s Didn't go very long.
Speaker 1That's a really good. That's. Denny O'Neill did those. Those are really good. But even of late. I think Dynamite did, garth Ennis did those. Those are pretty good. And then they did Batman in the Shadow crossover at DC not too long ago, a couple years ago. And then they did Batman in the Shadow crossover at DC not too long ago, a couple years ago. They're pretty good.
Speaker 2I've listened to the Shadow Orson Welles radio shows.
Speaker 1Yeah, those are really fun. Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.
Speaker 2The Shadow knows. I had a guy tell me that in a public restroom one time I'm not shitting you, I'm not shitting you, get out as soon as you get out, I'm not shitting.
Speaker 2You Get out as soon as you can. I'm not kidding, unsolicited, just said that in a restaurant, in a restroom, that's really disturbing. It was strange. Yeah, it was a strange experience, but I didn't know what the fuck he was talking about. I was like you know, I was like young, but it was a little weird. Um, that man was name was jeffrey epstein, but uh, you've seen the holly baldwin movie right yeah, I have, I liked it it's, it's fun, yeah isn't it russell mckay?
Speaker 1he directed that I don't remember, but it's, it's so. It's that that's such a different, like a different.
Speaker 2They give him a big fake nose. Yeah, I was watching Highlander direct that that might as well be a different universe by the time that that came out.
Speaker 1I mean you think about a movie like that. They had a huge toy line that went with it. I mean there were action figures and cars and all that there's. You know, merchandise up the wazoo and nowadays you never see anything you know, merchandise up the wazoo, and nowadays you never see anything you know.
Speaker 2Like the lesson they took from Batman being a success was that we needed to make more pulp 30s character movies. But it didn't.
Speaker 1But none of them worked, I mean they're all good movies I love them. I love Dick Tracy.
Speaker 2I do too. I love Dick Tracy, love Dick Tracy.
Speaker 1Yeah, the movie and the comic. Like the character, I do too. I love Dick Tracy, love Dick Tracy.
Speaker 2Yeah, the movie and the comic like the character, I love it and it's so.
Speaker 1I mean I'm glad it's not around now because I don't want to know what they do with it right now. But I mean there was definitely a time in the late nineties, through the two thousands early 2010s, where they could have made something really good and we need to wait. That's one of those things. It's like let's just wait for a little longer and maybe when the current era is over. They'll do that.
Speaker 2After the dust has settled. Yeah, the new soul has transformed.
Reflecting on Hammer's Legacy and Future Plans
Speaker 1Dick, tracy, phantom, the Shadow, terry and the Pirates.
Speaker 2Yeah, I was just going to say Madonna is breathless mahoney in that movie. Yeah, I hear a lot of haters on madonna and I'm like have you seen dick? Tracy, the movie is is unique I mean terrific that is, it is not batman.
Speaker 1It is visually, it has the the same kind of stylings, but it is not batman. I mean there's no musical numbers in the movie.
Speaker 2Vittorio Storaro did the cinematography who shot Apocalypse. Now it's like comparable. It's so good, just the use of the primary colors Like yeah right, yeah, I love, I love Dick Tracy. It's actually one of my wife's favorite movies too.
Speaker 1Oh nice, Can you imagine a movie like that being made nowadays? No. That amount of color.
Speaker 2And the makeup.
Speaker 1Yeah, everything would be so drab and dull and boring.
Speaker 2We're updating Dick Tracy for a new generation.
Speaker 1Yeah, there would be no yellow trench coat, for sure. No, there wouldn't.
Speaker 2Or a little watch with a radio on it.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah. I find encouraging that I've heard rumors that they're thinking about taking james bond back to the 60s for the new one. Well, if, um, if nolan is indeed going to make the bond movie, we are set okay, I mean there, there's no other way.
Speaker 1I mean, if that, if that happens, it's gold. I mean again, as someone who is not a Nolan devotee, bond would be something that I would definitely want to see him approach, because that's something you can do in a ultra hyper-realistic way and it would be interesting and done well. Like, you don't need to have the fantasy elements and there's definitely no sci-fi in there, so I'd want to see that you ever read any of the old uh uh bond books?
Speaker 1no, but I want to, and apparently you know they're um censoring them or changing them, so you don't you have to find an old edition oh really yeah, they're changing the wording in some of them and editing them um. Our friend, our friend, the, the damn fool idealistic crusader, has done many videos on the uh editing changes in the june fun novels I would recommend those videos.
Speaker 2Really, I'll watch that because, yeah, um, ryan, and I've been watching this guy. His channel is called damn fool, idealistic crusader. Um, he's got something like uh, he's on the spectrum in some way. Gotta be right. I mean, I say that in a very positive way, you know, um, this guy is a maniac, am I wrong?
Speaker 1it's great, though it's he's one of the most well like spoken, uh like intelligent, um like thoughtful commentators on online and he's not going to come on my channel now. But yeah, I say that wealth of knowledge is like is like. Yeah, the wealth of knowledge is very impressive.
Speaker 2I will say this guy can go off on the tiniest shit. I mean, this is a guy who you know what I'm saying. Yes, not wrong.
Speaker 1I mean he did a very. I haven't watched it yet. I plan to is the intricate comparison of the Thunderball audio tracks from different media versions. I didn't know that there was different audio mixings of Thunderball.
Speaker 2This guy will riff for two hours on the differences between five different transfers of a film over the course of VHS to DVD, to Blu-ray. Right yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 1There's a comment about have you watched the Christopher Lee Fu Manchu movies?
Speaker 2No, not yet.
Speaker 1I have the Blu-ray on hand ready to watch. That'll be something after we finish up the Hammer stuff. When I have some free time I will definitely be checking those out.
Speaker 2Perfect, the next Hammer films we're doing.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2Sebastian says no comment, dot dot dot. Is he Damn? Philidistic Crusader in disguise.
Speaker 1No, he's not.
Speaker 2Oh, he's not Okay, got it. I'm thinking for my choices. Devil Rides Out, yes.
Speaker 1Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires.
Speaker 2Legend of the Seven Golden Vampires. And then I'd like to do Captain Kronos, vampire Hunter.
Speaker 1Okay, yeah, I have all those, except for Captain Kronos, which I can easily get. So, um, curse of the Werewolf is the only one of those that I have seen, interestingly enough. So that's, that's good. I'm happy to see something new.
Speaker 2You're going to love um. Devil Rise Up, I hope so I expect to.
Speaker 1I mean, all these Hammer movies have some. There's nothing bad. Maybe Dracula 80 1972 is bad, it's not.
Speaker 2It's bad, but it's good.
Speaker 1Exactly. There's something there. There's some nugget of gold underneath all the crap.
Speaker 2Exactly Any questions from the chat. You guys can go ahead and do an AMA here real quick if you want. Let's hear them. We can riff through some of these, can't we? You got a roll.
Speaker 1Huh.
Speaker 2You got a roll.
Speaker 1No, I'm good.
Speaker 2Okay, just curious. No, okay, but yeah, dude, anything else that you've been watching lately just conan stuff. I watched the conan reboot from 2011. That's okay I didn't care for it I mean it's not as bad as I thought it was gonna be. I kind of wish I'd have watched it in high school. I probably would have liked it.
Speaker 1What about Red Sonja?
Speaker 2Didn't see it.
Speaker 1Oh, it's interesting. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2The new one or the old one?
Speaker 1No, the 80s one.
Speaker 2They were going to make a new one, but they never did. Yeah, wasn't Rose McGowan going to do it? What wasn't Rose McGowan going to do it? Yeah, robert Rodriguez was going to do it with Rose McGowan and they made a poster for it and everything, and it never came out. They never made it.
Speaker 1Oh, we have a comment. What do we think if Bond was a woman?
Speaker 2What do you think, dude? No, I'd love it. I think that it's a time. It's time for a woman to be Bond.
Speaker 1Really, I wasn't expecting that answer.
Speaker 2I think so. It's time.
Speaker 1Oh, okay. Well, I don't think it would work. I think it's just fundamentally not.
Speaker 2I'm fucking with you, dude, come on, oh, okay.
Speaker 1I thought you went woke there for a second.
Speaker 2No, no. What would be the point of that? I can't imagine anything worse.
Speaker 1I follow Trembling Colors on Letterboxd and I see he's watched Death Street Rides again with James Stewart and Marlena Dietrichs. I have that to watch. I think we have a four-star, so I'm definitely excited to get that one. I have it on my list.
Speaker 2I don't know if you've seen that one. I've watched that too. Did they put it on Cr recently?
Speaker 1uh, yeah, I think so, or it's orkino, I can't remember yeah, oh great for me. Uh, yeah, james stewart always made great westerns.
Speaker 2What?
Speaker 1yeah oh, god was always winchester, winchester 70 oh god, he has some number at the end of it. Winchester 73, which was a Jimmy Stewart western, really good. Really really good.
Speaker 2You haven't seen the Naked Spur.
Speaker 1No, I have that, though, on Blu-ray to watch.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1I didn't know that he made so many westerns. Like for a long time I always thought of him as the hitchcock, kind of like sophisticated, kind of like uh, hitchcock thriller guy. And then I who knew that?
Speaker 2he made so many westerns, but he did. He made a ton of them, made some cop movies too.
Speaker 1Um, what about the fbi story?
Speaker 2you've seen that yeah, yep, I have, yeah, I have.
Speaker 1Yeah, I really liked that. I really really liked that one. They made that under the director, under the direction of a J Andrew Hoover I, you know he played a hand in making. You know, exactly right, and all that.
Speaker 2I think when he had a movie, oh no, you ever seen G men? No, I've heard of that, though you know james cadney, so but actually I just watched um. I've been watching some more milius movies too. Um, his uh john dillinger film with war notes is really good, really good. Under talked about um very much in the like if bonnie and clyde hadn't gotten made, he wouldn't have made um. That wouldn't have gotten made. But you know what I mean. It's like very much in the vein of that, but very good and very much his ethos. Uh, courtney says is there a film that totally changed your mind about an actor, filmmaker, genre, etc. That's a good question. Changed my mind on an actor? I'm sure there has been interesting.
Speaker 1I'm reading that I just scrolling through the john millius page and says he adapted the Sergeant rock comics for Joel silver with either Rennie Harlan or Paul Verhoeven attached at certain points respectively, and I guess it never got made. I would have been. Yeah, I would have loved it I mean Sergeant rock movie. What was the question exactly?
Speaker 2Is there a film that totally changed your mind about an actor, slash, filmmaker, genre, et cetera.
Speaker 3Probably Totally changed your mind about an actor, slash, filmmaker, genre, et cetera.
Speaker 1Probably yes, but off the top of my head I can't think of one.
Speaker 2Changed my mind. I'm guessing it's like in a positive way yeah.
Speaker 1There's probably been a movie where you've seen and you're like I never liked that actor before until I saw them in this movie. That's a great question. Liked that actor before until I saw it in this movie. That's a great question For genre. I would say musicals. When I saw Sweeney Todd that was one of the ones that made me appreciate what a musical could offer. It was definitely because of the material.
Speaker 2That's a great question. Wish I had a good answer for it I don't know. That'd be something I'd have to look through I guess, if there's anybody, um no, I I don't know. Let's see, that's a tough one. I'm trying to think of somebody that I wrote off and I saw them in a good performance, but I can't really come up with anything right now. I'm sorry. Huh, don't think about that.
Speaker 1So I guess for, like, besides the Hammer stuff, are you going to watch anything else horror related for the rest of the month? You know if I have some time. Uh, besides the hammer stuff, are you, are you going to watch anything else horror related?
Speaker 2for, uh, the rest of the month, or you guys, you know, if I have some uh, some time, I would. I, I have a tough challenge. I'm hosting, um, two other couples, friends of mine and my wife's, over at the house soon. We're rotating this thing right. So I'm doing one, someone else is. So I have to pick a movie and I want it to be scary and I want it to be good, but I don't want it to be like uncomfortably gory or horrifically frightening. You know what I mean. But I'm trying to like. I don't want it to be too old to where it's not captivating. They like movies. They're not, they're not idiots, but you know they're not like us, right? Yeah, what would you say?
Speaker 1yeah, I mean what is considered too old is 70s and 80s too old for these people?
Speaker 2it's got to appeal to the girls too. I was thinking scream the first one yeah, that's always a safe choice, you know I wanted to give him something interesting and new, though that would be like oh, I've never seen this, Wow, Hmm.
Speaker 1I don't know like Cabin in the Woods or something like that.
Speaker 2Most people have seen that. I want it to be on brand. I want him to be like oh, I've never heard of this, george, you're such a masterful movie curator guy. Yeah, not some piece of crap. Uh, not some like yeah, saw three, you know, not saw three, that's for sure. Um, but not so. It's like so gory to where they're like oh, my god, you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1Oh, so not like uh x, which came out last year.
Speaker 2No or not. I was thinking maybe Scanners would be a Videodrome, but there's too much sexual shit in Videodrome to where it could be uncomfortable for the girls.
Speaker 1I don't know the Cronenberg stuff goes over so well with normal people. It's a very special, even Scanners. I love Scanners but it's a very slow-moving movie. It has its's payoff, for sure, and I love every minute of it, but I don't think it plays well with like normies, you know no, no, and I really liked Cronenberg's newest movie, crimes of the Future.
Speaker 2I thought that was awesome, but like again very off putting, like wouldn't work, you know.
Speaker 1I'll watch. I love also Scanners reason. I really like it too. There's a guy, an actor, in it called Michael Ironside.
Speaker 2Absolutely.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, great, great, yeah. I love him yeah. Yeah, love him.
Speaker 2But the reason I really really love him.
Speaker 1He did the voice of Darkseid in the Superman cartoon in the 90s.
Speaker 2Oh, he did In.
Speaker 1Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. It's got one of the greatest voices of the modern era.
Speaker 2It doesn't get used enough as he should.
Speaker 1but if they made a Justice League movie that had Darkseid in it for real, he should do the voice. He should do the motion capture and do the voice it's like, why not?
Speaker 2He's still pretty old by now, isn't he? It's probably.
Speaker 1Why not? He's still pretty old by now, isn't he?
Speaker 2He was in Terminator.
Speaker 1Salvation.
Speaker 2What's that? He was in Terminator Salvation.
Speaker 1Was he. Yeah, I blocked that out of my mind. I think I saw it twice in the theater. To be honest with you, I don't know why.
Speaker 2Michael Ironside is great.
Speaker 1Terminator Salvation with Mick G With Mick.
Speaker 2G. Oh, my God Is Mick G still making film. That's a good question. What an asshole.
Speaker 1You know, the movie of his that I actually did like was this Did you see? This Means War?
Speaker 2No, no, no, I didn't, but was that?
Speaker 1good and chris pine and tom harding is so hot.
Speaker 2Do you guys want to go?
Speaker 1after this movie this movie my brother and I went to go see it. Really it was. It was fun, it was a lot of fun. It's garbage, but like it's big g garbage. You know it's like charlie's angels. One is like yeah, mcgee brett ratner. You know it's like Charlie's Angels.
Speaker 21 is like yeah, mcg Brett Ratner, both of them. You know what I mean. They made serviceable pseudo hits in the 2000s, right.
Speaker 1Brett Ratner, though he got Me Too'd or what. What happened? To him. And he's gone.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's out of the picture. Yeah.
Speaker 1Brett Ratner X -Men. Come on, X-Men. The Last Stand, though, is not Come on you like that movie. No, we can do better.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, that was a piece of cake, but that's Brett Ratner.
Speaker 1That's Brett Ratner doing that.
Speaker 2But when I was 12 and I saw that movie, I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 1Even when I saw that one in the theater I knew this was not very good doesn't get any better than this. X-men 3 let's go no, I mean because x-men 1 and 2 were were so good that uh. But then I saw x-men origins wolverine and I'm like, oh, I spent the last 10 wasn't so bad yeah that was a horrible piece of shit.
Speaker 2Okay, dude.
Speaker 1You got anything else? No, I think we've beat this to death enough. You've exhausted it, yeah.
Speaker 2This was good.
Speaker 1I think we had a really good discussion on four interesting and unique films in the Hammer library. I'm very excited to see these other movies 100%. I've tried to expand and watch some other Hammer stuff along the way, yeah, and you know it's a lot like we talked about a lot of good but not great, you know, yeah, I would say, check out, captain Clegg, though I really did like that.
Speaker 2Because I was going to say, though, I really sounds cool like that. Yeah, because I was gonna say I, I until I um watched, um, uh, damn, phil, I just idealistic crusaders review on the hammer robin hood stuff I didn't even know existed, those look really cool captain, click, they're in the.
Speaker 1They're actually aren't in the book, though there's little um of slipping through it. Oh, and then are we? What was that one um?
Speaker 2I got stranglers from, uh, stranglers from bombay, because I kind of heard that it was kind of subversive and wild. No, I haven't watched it yet, it's on Region B, so I got to rip it into my computer before I can watch it. Oh, I see. Yeah, I thought about it and then I re-watched Captain Kronos, like two weeks ago, and I was like this is too good not to watch. It's awesome. It's awesome. It's awesome. And also it has sort of a historical talking point, because it was really like the last good hammer thing and after that it was over. You know, because they had, they had planned captain Kronos as a series and it could have been a great series, but after that it was done, so it's an amazing.
Speaker 1it just and that's it just ended. It just went away. This empire just folded, it just collapsed.
Speaker 2They couldn't keep up with the new American horror movement. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1No, I mean, we're talking about it. The Exorcist and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre are starting to come out. This is all passe at this point. One thing about the Captain Clegg is really interesting is that did you know that they adapted that similarly for a Disney TV thing in the 50s?
Speaker 2Really yeah. Did you ever hear of?
Speaker 1Dr Sin, the scarecrow of Romney Marsh. No. It's a Disney thing. It was on both disney's like disneyland or wonderful world of disney or something like that.
Speaker 2um etric mcguinn yeah yeah, oh, my, oh, you did tell me about this. I have to see this yeah, it's really, really good.
Speaker 1There's a song, there's even like a disney theme song that goes with it, and the first time I ever heard about this was at the. I was at the comic book store and he always finds I collect all the Dell Gold Key licensed comics. Tv comics and stuff like that. So he always pulls them for me and I saw, said like Walt Disney's the scarecrow of Romney Marsh, and it's this guy that looks like almost like a headless horseman kind of guy or scarecrow on a horseback, and it's this guy that looks like almost like a headless horseman kind of guy or a scarecrow on a horseback and I'm like what is this?
Speaker 1And he's like, oh yeah, you don't know about the scarecrow, uh, you know, uh, dr Sin. He's like, yeah, yeah, the theme song.
Speaker 2And it was in revolutionary war times.
Speaker 1And all that. It on youtube. It's on disney plus. Is it on disney plus? It might be, it might not be, I doubt it, but no, this looks badass. Zoro is on disney plus, which is great, oh really. Have you ever seen the disney zoro from the 50s? No guy williams, oh, so good, I mean that is that is like classic Americana, these Disney 50s stuff, I mean I love that guy.
Speaker 2This sounds amazing. He dresses up as a scarecrow.
Speaker 1Yeah, they do smuggling. They're trying to smuggle alcohol from, I think, from France to England and not pay the tariffs. So they do the smuggling. And then they have the guy that dresses up as a scarecrow to prowl through the marshes and warn the people if the British troops are coming, or something like that.
Speaker 2Whoa, and it also has Jeffrey Keene who is in Taste the Blood of Dracula in the film.
Speaker 1Really? Oh, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 2Huh, this looks badass. I'm going to definitely watch it. Where did you find it? Do you have it on blu-ray?
Speaker 1yes, I do actually, and I think I saw it before I bought the blu-ray. I think I saw it on um. I found it online, like on youtube this shit's probably the disney vault um, I don't know. Let me see if I can have my Disney Plus.
Speaker 2Okay, I got eBay $26. That's not terrible.
Speaker 1Probably not logged in on the computer. Oh, I am, let's see. Okay. Oh, your Disney Plus plan will increase to $140 per year on your next billing cycle. Great, thank you.
Speaker 2You gotta be shitting me. No, are you watching Ahsoka?
Speaker 1No, are you watching Ahsoka no, okay, okay, so Scarecrow, nothing comes up.
Speaker 2I've got it here on eBay.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, it's not on Disney Plus.
Speaker 2Got it.
Speaker 1Watch for the future where all that old stuff gets purged off of that.
Speaker 2Absolutely, we had to be in the Disney movie club. It looks like to get this Blu-ray.
Speaker 1Yeah, but you can buy them. Oh, you can buy it off eBay. That's how I got the DVD.
Speaker 2Yeah, I see it on eBay. Here I'm going to buy it.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the one that I have.
Speaker 2Sounds cool as shit.
Speaker 1But for now they have no I don't Okay, because the Zorro stuff is definitely worth watching. Guy Williams, who was also the dad on Lost in Space plays. Zorro Got it. It's just classic.
Speaker 2There's a lot of stuff from that era.
Speaker 1It's funny because I didn't see a lot of that when I was a kid, because I don't know if it was widely available or not. I think it was on the Disney Channel, but I don't know if we had that at the time. You always associate Disney with this stupid kind of fairy tale, princess thing and all that. And then there's plenty of like really good stuff, adventure stuff that they did back in the day and it's like that's the. That was.
Speaker 1the idea was to have Adventureland and Frontierland, and then basically the other stuff, tomorrowland, and have all that kind of mesh together, you know. Right. Nowadays it's just Marvel and Star Wars and remake every movie.
Speaker 2Well, I'm going to watch Dr Sin, the amazing scarecrow of, you know, Bombay or whatever.
Speaker 1Mitt Romney Marsh. Yeah, exactly, yeah, there you go. I was like is this Mitt?
Speaker 2Romney Marsh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1Yeah, there you go. I was like is this about Mitt Romney?
Speaker 2It's his great-grandfather, maybe. Oh, you have an idea here, he's a blue blood If you go to your dinner party, you can watch Tremors. Oh, it's Matt. Hey, matt, I've never seen Tremors, sorry.
Speaker 1I've not seen it either. Sorry, embarrassed to say we failed the test. How about exorcist 3?
Speaker 2throw that on, that's 1990 uh, I actually did just watch the burning. Recently my had my brother-in-law over. He spent the night and, uh, we watched. I was like let's watch the burning, and he liked it good yeah make them watch. Uh, indiana jones and the dialogue destiny a true horror movie oh my god, yeah, what a piece of shit and I watched the retro blasting review and I I was a little let down by that he nitpicks on a lot, but it's nitpick to the fucking bone dude.
Speaker 1The last 30 minutes were good though I mean, that's his whole shtick. I love that guy.
Speaker 2That guy is a professional complainer In a good way. That's positive. The only thing I would say is that it's like I get it.
Speaker 1Everything he's saying is correct. I don't disagree with the nitpicky stuff and all the complaints are valid. You can still enjoy a movie even though it's not.
Speaker 2Yeah, my problem is not that they had a plane in the movie. That would be incongruous historically. I don't give a shit, come on.
Speaker 1Why would he find the Antikythera in here if he knew that it was also here? Instead, it's like, okay, there are bigger problems.
Speaker 2The anti-Kythera in here, if he knew that it was also here.
Speaker 1Instead, there are bigger problems. I agree she made a good point about the Antonio Banderas character and all that. He really did throw that guy to the wolves. He didn't properly warn him of the consequences of what was going on. That was a good point. I agree with the thing about the diving and all that. It didn't make any sense. Again it's like you can nitpick this to death, but there's so many bigger fish to fry with that movie. I did not hate the movie. I can watch that.
Speaker 2I didn't hate it when I was watching it, but after it was over I was kind of like Numb right, it's just numbing yeah. The point he made that I really like was he was like you know. Harrison Ford really is just like a big curmudgeonly asshole. Yeah.
Speaker 1He wants to Harrison Ford is someone who wants to have his cake and eat it too. Yeah, he seems he wants to bear support as someone who wants to have his cake and eat it too. Yeah, he seems like he really hates this stuff, like, and he does it, does it for the paycheck and he does it to like, but he thinks he's gonna get adulation or something, but like, thinks he's too cool for to do it.
Speaker 1But he wants to do it, you know, because everything else that he does doesn't succeed, hasn't succeeded for years. I mean remember when you remember. Cowboys and Aliens.
Speaker 2Yeah, I do yeah.
Speaker 1Remember that was going to be. That was a total flop and that was built on his name, you know, plus Daniel Craig and was John Favreau, director of Iron man. Yeah, that movie sucked, I mean yeah, yeah, it was weak.
Speaker 2You know, what I did watch this weekend actually, too, was Sabrina the Sydney Sabrina with, which is a movie that I really week. But you know what I did watch this weekend actually too, um was a sabrina the sydney paul sabrina with arson ford, which is a movie that I really love okay, I've loved my whole life and he's great in it yeah, I need to watch more of um sydney pollack right yes yeah, I need to watch more of his stuff.
Speaker 1Um, like I I told you a while ago, I watched the firm yeah, firm's great, amazing movie and I wish we had more jeremiah johnson I wish we had more movies like the firm nowadays exactly, absolutely, or like the rainmaker.
Speaker 2Everyone was doing those lawyer movies back then. Yeah, what happened to the john grisham?
Speaker 1john grisham's still writing novels. You know it's like, yeah, but those are considered like TV level movies or, you know, streaming level movies. At this point I guess there's no more TV movies. Yeah.
Speaker 2Matt's dragging me for never seeing Tremors.
Speaker 5Haven't seen Tremors, sorry yeah, I've heard of that yeah, I haven't seen that one either.
Speaker 2You know, I've seen so much old goofy bullshit like the Manitow. Make the worst.
Speaker 1Manitow.
Speaker 2Oh yeah, I cannot show anyone the fucking Manitow. It's so goddamn horrible, unless we had like 10 years, orca. Actually that's not a bad idea, orca, yeah yeah, I was thinking like like you want to show them something like the sentinel, but they'd be like this is like boring, you know, or like um have you ever seen the oh god?
Speaker 1this is one of the like a derry argento.
Speaker 2That's not suspiria, but like, oh like, tenebrae.
Speaker 1Maybe would be a good one, I don't know who's, I don't know which who. Who did this one, If it was Argento or Lucio Fulci house by the cemetery? Have you seen that yeah?
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1What is going on in this movie Like?
Speaker 2yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1Okay, we're up to do a Jalo.
Speaker 2I would love to do a Jalo one. That would be awesome. I actually have some Jalo comics that I bought when I was really that are in Italian. I meant to like translate them on the Google or some shit, but I never got around to it. But I've got some and I've got some um and then um, diabolique, which is like the big character over there in Italy, okay, um, yeah. Yeah, they did a Diabolique movie in the 70s.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, I think I saw that on your Letterboxd.
Speaker 2Did you just watch that or something? No, I have not seen it.
Speaker 1You watched something that had a name like that, but am I making that up, maybe?
Speaker 2not, but yeah, it's directed by. Oh, Mario Bava made it. Yeah, the Diabolique movie, Danger Diabolique.
Speaker 1What is Diabolique 1955 that you watched?
Speaker 2oh, oh, that's a french movie okay, not, not related at all yeah, but really good. And that was actually one that, like hitchcock saw it and was like, oh shit, I should do something like this. He talks about a lot in terms of psycho. Are you saw that? It was like, oh, you can push the boundaries. Yeah, diabolique from the 50s, I think it's. Who's the director?
Speaker 1Are you into all the French new wave stuff or not?
Speaker 2Am I into it? Not necessarily. There's a few that are like I'm a big Francois Truffaut guy. I mean not big, but as far as that goes I prefer Truffaut to Godard. Okay, for sure.
Speaker 1Like I have breathless on a Blu-ray from criterion and I need to watch that.
Speaker 2I would watch breathless. There's some really good stuff in there, especially like the Mr Pavalesco scene, which one might maybe one of my favorites, but like true foe, like Jules and Jim, is really, really good, you know.
Speaker 1I feel like I need to watch a little bit more foreign stuff from you know, the older films like Ingmar. I need to watch more Ingmar Bergman, you know.
Speaker 2I'd really tried with Bergman. His best movie, in my opinion, is is through a glass, darkly oh is it. That was really good, but like summers with Monica, it was seven seal, so seven seal it's all right. You know, I mean it's. I mean, look, I sound like a total philistine and an idiot saying that, but like, yeah, it didn't really resonate with me. I get it. It's very iconic.
Speaker 2Right transformer a rather much transformers right yeah, yeah, but no, I I like Shoot the Piano Player by Truffaut. Band of Outsiders by Godard is not bad. You have to really watch them in context and realize that they were kind of crazy and totally out there With Godard, though he just had a lot of nudity in his movies and so they were very titillating and interesting in America. Have you seen Eight and a Half?
Speaker 1No, I have it, though, as I as I said for many movies it's on my list. I have to have the blu-ray from criterion yeah you know what? I've always found japanese movies to be more interesting yeah, but I haven't seen many other than the kaiju films. So you know, I haven't seen like the real artistic stuff. You Just the schlock from Toho.
Speaker 2No, you've got to watch the cop stuff You've got to watch. A Cult is my Passport and Tokyo Drifter and Detective Bureau 2-3, go to Hell, bastards with Joe Shishido. Those are the best, all that stuff.
Speaker 1We should do a foreign thing at some point too. That would be fun we should do a foreign thing at some point too, That'd be fun. One from each country, famous director, French, Swedish, Italian, Japanese, or something like that.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think it'd be fun.
Speaker 1They probably are foreign because they're British, but it's equivalent.
Speaker 2Right. Hold on, there's a word for these movies I'm trying to think um I'm looking at artsy.
Speaker 1Um, no, no, no, no. These japanese movies are just like cool cop movies like oh okay, there's like a genre defining term or something.
Speaker 2Yeah, there's a genre term for what they're called um these like. They're like there's a huge trend of like assassin or cop movies in the late 60s in japan and they're all really cool and they're all pretty much inspired by like bond. So it's like the guy is always like well dressed in a suit, fucking kills everybody with a silencer. He's like super bad. It's like they're.
Speaker 1They're really cool, they're not, they're not at all highfalutin or like um, you know pretentious but um and then you you're not super into or familiar with, like the um, the cereals, like the movie cereal from the 30s. No, no, yeah, I, I'm a little bit more into that um. I started watching one um and then I didn't realize it was a columbia one and it it was just super boring.
Speaker 2It was jack armstrong not if you're familiar with that you had to give me a good one, man, because when I watch those I'm sorry, but I just kind of like, yeah, it's kind of boring you have to watch a republic cereal.
Speaker 1That's the distinction is republic was the studio that made the really high-end, good quality um cereals.
Speaker 3And then I always end up with these columbia ones, and they're dreadful.
Speaker 1I mean columbia made, even made like batman and superman and um, some of those and those are boring. I mean, if you've watched, if you've ever tried to watch, the Batman serials, those, are great and I was like okay. They're boring. Okay, republic, the best ones are for my money. Daredevils of the Red Circle Amazing. And unfortunately the Kino Blu-ray is out of print.
Speaker 1I have it, but I'm so glad I bought that um years ago and then um adventures of captain marvel is like top notch from republic it's a badass title daredevils of the red circle the red circle. Oh yeah, it's really really good, it's really really good. It's super exciting, super fast-paced, thrilling moves at you know, breakneck pace. Sure. That's what you want not these slow, plodding Jack Armstrong. Oh my God, I don't know what the hell they were doing in that. I watched three chapters and I was like nothing has happened.
Speaker 2Can't handle it. All right, dude, I have to call it quits, because I got to get up early tomorrow and drive for like three hours, so again, again, and then on friday too. Wow, I've been, I've been rolling around, so oh, the offer.
Speaker 1I do. I have not watched it, but I've heard good things about that oh, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2Yeah, I haven't watched that either watched that either. I've read all those books, though it's like one of the Hollywood books. What's up?
Speaker 1I've been watching Frasier on Paramount Plus.
Speaker 2How's the new Frasier dude?
Speaker 1I haven't. I've been watching the old one, sorry.
Speaker 2Okay, I just can't.
Speaker 1I don't have high hopes for the new one.
Speaker 2Well, allow me to send you another video by another maniac. That's like three hours long.
Speaker 1It's all about that one, okay, yeah. Yeah, that was what. That's what? Because you sent me that my youtube algorithm started sending me all fraser stuff and so paramount had um episodes of the original one for free on youtube, so I just clicked on it and then I just went into the rabbit hole yeah, we got triple n or whatever, says there's a new one.
Speaker 1Yeah, I assume, referring to fraser, everything they have to bring back, and I'm sure they'll redo it. I mean kelsey grammar. If he has some degree of control as a producer I don't know if that's if he does or not I imagine he must in order to get him to come back and do it. Maybe there will be some quality control. But none of the other cast is back, so it's all new cast. Why?
Speaker 2do that? Yeah, I don't like. Frazier has to move in with his son.
Speaker 1I'm like oh okay. How about?
Speaker 2Niles, niles, not around anymore.
Speaker 1He's not in the new show, and neither is Daphne. The father died in real life, unfortunately. Right. But you know the. Ross and Daphne and Niles yeah.
Speaker 2Just bring them back. They would be in the same place.
Speaker 1Maybe, how about do something? New. I like frazier's apartment now, now, oh yeah, frazier's apartment is like the pinnacle. I know we have the discussion about the aesthetics that is like that pinnacle of beautiful 90s aesthetic, I mean. I mean that is like I want to live in a place like that, like so sabrina, sabrina, the sydney pollack, sabrina is like the perfect 90s, like aesthetic, terrific I have to check that out again please oh someone. He's been watching seinfeld chronologically kramer jack, yes, um, and now they're talking about there's rumors that they're going to bring back seinfeld.
Speaker 1Get the fuck out of here you can't do it just don't don't wreck it, please. Seinfeld cannot exist in this day and age they can't that they did no just like the office. The office can't exist. They talk about bringing back the office, which is newer than seinfeld, but like you just know the level of comedy we there is. No, there is no comedy anymore.
Speaker 2I no no, no, it's on memes.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I don't know, I don't find that funny.
Speaker 2You don't find memes funny. Not really you haven't seen the right memes, bro. I don't just we start sending you some good memes.
Speaker 1I don't know.
Speaker 5You know, elaine, I thought Jerry was the one who was actually making the intonation or, um, I don't know, implying coming back. That's from maybe we'll bring it back.
Speaker 1I don't know, I hope. I hope he holds his ground and doesn't do it.
Speaker 2Maybe we'll do it again.
Speaker 1Yeah, maybe you know if they pay me enough money. You know, pay me more money. Elaine apparently didn't know anything about it, but Jerry was the one. I thought that I read an article Saying that he was Well, here's what happens.
Speaker 2They interview him, they go would you ever do Seinfeld again? And he says never, say never, and they just start running.
Speaker 1Maybe Seinfeld's coming back. No, usually he just says like no, flat out, no yeah.
Speaker 2Alright brother.
Speaker 1We'll just end on that. But I just said, is Michael Richards going to be allowed to come back if they do a Seinfeld reunion?
Speaker 2Didn't they bring him back for the Caribbean Enthusiasm reunion after?
Speaker 1Was that after he got canceled?
Speaker 2Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1Okay, well then, maybe they can't, I don't know.
Speaker 2RIP Michael Richards. Until then, drink the filth you drink it don't insult the master drink great stuff you drink it okay, as we go in two weeks, are we doing next week? Let me look at my calendar here real quick. Um oh ooh um, at my calendar here real quick, um, no, oh, um, maybe we could go. Boy, yeah, halloween's on the on a tuesday. I feel like we have to do it on next wednesday. But boy, that gets pretty tight, doesn't it.
Speaker 1What about the 30th?
Speaker 2I could do that. Yeah, I could do Monday Absolutely Totally.
Speaker 1Let me know Good night.
Speaker 2everybody, Thanks for coming out.
Speaker 1We had a good turnout tonight.
Speaker 2We did have a good turnout tonight. Sounds good to have a little audience there. All right, brother, I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1All right, sounds good to have a little audience there. All right, brother, I'll talk to you soon. All right, have a good night. Thanks, everyone.
