Wyndham Clark's Ascent | Analyzing US Open Performances

What if Wyndham Clark secures the prestigious Player of the Year title? Join us as we explore the various scenarios that could lead to this fantastic outcome, such as witnessing him triumph in one more major or even claiming a second major title. The raw emotion displayed by Wyndham after his victory at the US Open certainly got us all choked up, and we couldn't help but wonder just how bright the future might be for this rising star. 

We also take a close look at the performances of other golfers at the US Open, such as Tommy Fleetwood, Scottie Scheffler, and Rickie Fowler. From dissecting their putting stats to examining their equipment choices, we try to pinpoint what factors contributed to their success on the course. Furthermore, we engage in a spirited debate on the merits of the US Open course design and whether it rewards bad golf or offers an enjoyable challenge for the players.

As we approach the upcoming Player Awards, we weigh the chances of contenders like Scottie Scheffler, Viktor Hovland, and Jon Rahm for the coveted title. We reflect upon the year in golf as a whole, discussing topics ranging from Rory McIlroy's putting struggles to the drama surrounding the LIV vs. PGA TOUR. So, tune in to the PureGolf Podcast and immerse yourself in an insightful and entertaining conversation on all the latest golf news and developments!

Chapters

• 0:01 US Open and Wyndham Clark's Chances
• 12:01 US Open Golfers and Equipment Changes
• 24:43 Golf Variations and Rickie Fowler's Performance
• 34:33 Golf Course Design Review
• 48:18 Golf Player Awards
• 53:55 Golfers Discuss Major and Player Awards

Transcript

Jordan: 0:01

What is going on everybody? My name is Jordan and welcome to the Pure Golf Podcast. Today it is just Ariane and I recapping the US Open A lot of interesting points that we make on this one. I'm not going to do announcements, I'm going to send it over to the podcast pretty quickly. If you want to check us out more on social media is at my pure golf. We have daily very entertaining shorts that we're posting over there On YouTube. We're posting one video a week that we aim to get out on Sundays. Just a lot of good things. If you can, please like, share, support, rate the podcast, give us a review. It really helps us grow and we're trying to grow as organically as possible. We want the people that want to be here to be here. So thank you for joining us and I'm going to send it over to the podcast. Thanks, Okay, let's get right into it, friend. The US Open just ended. Give me your 10 words or less.

Aryon: 1:08

Can Wyndham Clark win? Player of the Year.

Jordan: 1:13

From one major? Oh no, because he's got the other win too Okay.

Aryon: 1:17

Yeah, it was going to be. what does Wyndham Clark have to do to win Player of the Year? but that's too many words, So I just had to shrink it down a little bit.

Jordan: 1:27

No, let's actually go into that. What do you think he has to do to win Player of the Year after this? now?

Aryon: 1:33

So for some reason I thought that John Romney only had three wins in a major. Since he has four, it's going to be tough. I would think that if Wyndham Clark wins one more time, he should just be in the conversation, just because it's out of nowhere. Or if John Rom hadn't won the Masters and he just had four wins without a major, it could be in the discussion right now. And if he wins and if he would have won one more time, i think it could have been a lock.

Jordan: 2:10

So what if he won one more time, maybe a designated event, and then finished top five in the Tour Championship? up for contention.

Aryon: 2:19

Yeah, that's what it's going to have to take. I mean, he has to win at least once more, and then he's going to have to perform or he's going to have to finish. Well, at the end of the year It's going to take something, unless, of course, if he wins four times. I think if he wins four times and Rom doesn't win anymore this year, i feel like they'll probably give it to him, just because of how it works with momentum and everything like that. But I just it's going to. It's tough because, once again, i thought John Rom only had three.

Jordan: 2:53

What if I'll throw one more out to you. If he wins the British Open or the Open, Wyndham Clark, is that a lock?

Aryon: 3:00

If he wins a second major, it's a lock.

Jordan: 3:02

Okay, okay, okay. So you and I were texting during all this. Neither of us seemed to be really pulling for Wyndham Clark and all this. And if you gave me that leaderboard of all those names ahead of time, i don't think either of us were still choosing Wyndham Clark to win, because there were a lot of big names towards the end there. What are you thinking?

Aryon: 3:25

Yeah, i think that he changed my if you would ask me this 15 minutes before the end of the match before I saw how emotional he got and how the raw emotion when he hit that two footer to win I would have. I wouldn't have had much to say at all. He pulled out my heartstrings a little bit at the end there, but he was like out of the top five. I think he was the fourth person I wanted to like. He was fourth on the list for who I wanted to win.

Jordan: 4:01

What was your order? Did you have Scotty first?

Aryon: 4:04

No, Ricky Fowler first, just because I feel like it would mean more to him than Scotty Sheffler at this point, and just everybody loves a comeback story. Scotty Sheffler second, Cam Smith is third, Wyndham is fourth and Rory would be fifth.

Jordan: 4:22

Okay, and I mean across the board. It seemed to be a story of resilience, like any of these guys kind of had their own comeback story of Scotty. It's been a little bit since he's won a major and he's kind of been on this up and down thing of like playing well towards the end of tournaments. Ricky hasn't won a major ever. Rory it's been like when was it? 2014 was his last major.

Aryon: 4:48

Yeah.

Jordan: 4:49

I mean every player. And then you have Wyndham Clark who won, unlike you. I was like we were clearly not pulling for him in our text messages. I even sent you the text welcome to the back nine, wyndham, as he was coming down the stretch and bogey. It's just interesting to me how a guy I always tell myself, even if I'm not pulling for them, as soon as I hear the interview they're probably going to say something that I like. And as soon as he hold the putt, the emotion was all over the face, like it was a clear like F you to like himself and everyone else that said he couldn't do it And he I don't think many people there were pulling for him. Everybody wanted Rory or Scotty or one of the bigger names.

Jordan: 5:29

Yeah, I myself phone for them.

Aryon: 5:32

There were open like booze when he hit that bogey on 15.

Aryon: 5:37

Oh, really It was very, it was very clear, Like when he missed it. They were like I mean it was either boo or boo, but it was. it was definitely a negative reaction to him, i guess almost like he's coming for you. You know meaning Rory type reaction when he missed that putt. And of course I mean the average golf fan is going to go nuts if, if Sheffler or Rory or Ricky win the tournament. So that's, that goes without saying.

Aryon: 6:04

I think Cam Smith would have drawn drawn mixed emotions, same with, like, dustin Johnson, depending on which side of the live situation you're on. But there were there were two things that when him Clark did that kind of changed my perspective a little bit. Obviously, the first thing I just talked about with the putt. But the second thing was I thought he was fried when he hit that shot. I think it was on 10 in the bunker And yeah, yeah, he, he, you know he saved himself and got a bogey there. I thought. I mean I thought he was, i thought he was done then, and then again with the bogey on 15, i thought he would just crash. I didn't think he had the support or, you know, the mental stamina to withstand that bogey and with with somebody like Rory right behind you. That's a lot of pressure and he did it and hats off to him great win. Now people are going to start talking about him differently, because this is his second win this year and he's got a major. I mean, it's a pretty big deal.

Jordan: 7:09

So coming down the stretch he is going. He's fighting for bogeys, fighting for pars and Rory's. You know, right there behind him on the leaderboard, he won on the biggest stage in what we call the hardest golf tournament in the world. Does that garner any more respect from you down the stretch? It does for me.

Aryon: 7:31

It does, And it makes me wonder, like you know, really how good is this guy? I mean, how good is he, Jordan? correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he have some sort of alcohol issue?

Jordan: 7:43

Oh I don't know about that, i know he was very highly, very highly touted, coming onto the PGA tour like very much. so Are you thinking of Chris Kirk?

Aryon: 7:54

Yes, yeah, that's Chris Kirk had that.

Jordan: 7:56

No, wyndham And to my knowledge didn't have anything like that. Okay, but he did have as they covered on the TV. He did have the death of his mom with the breast cancer which I know can knock anyone out.

Aryon: 8:07

Yeah, when she was like in his fifties and they talked about his mom and his, his mom and his dad a lot actually on the broadcast. So no, i know he had that. You're right, i think it was Chris Kirk that had the the alcohol issue, but no, i mean it is. It's starting to make me think, like you know, is this, is this just a run that we see all the time in this game And then these people fade off? Or is he here to stay? and just, there's a lot of things he did today that make me think he's going to be around in this. We're not. We're not done seeing his name on the leaderboard just yet.

Jordan: 8:44

Okay, I mean, he's only what 29 years old. I think they said that on the broadcast today. Should have more winning ahead of him, Sure.

Aryon: 8:52

Yeah, My question is, like I said, was it just a matter of? he's always had the skill, It just took some time for him to put it all together with his confidence, because what he did today And and you know, I know we're going to talk about this more, but just how this round went today was painful for like for me In what way, because say more.

Aryon: 9:14

Well, okay, like I said before I had, you know, when I looked at the leaderboard going into this round, you know, i thought, okay, surely one of the guys that I'm pulling for are going to be able to pull away with this. I did not think Wyndham Clark was going to go the distance And I'm going to speak on. I'm going to talk about Scotty, specifically his putter man, gosh. Like the amount of putts I saw go by that were in like less than an inch off, and it's probably more than any any tournament I can remember in the in the recent past.

Aryon: 9:55

Um, i felt like the greens destroyed everyone today. Everyone, um, like they go coming into this tournament. Everyone was talking about how deep the rough was and how that was going to be such a problem and the fairways being narrow, but I didn't really see a whole lot of that. In fact, when some of the players were missing fairways, more often than not I heard oh, he's okay over there, he's not in any other fairway, or he's right Other T box or he's. I mean, that didn't provide like proof to be a problem at all.

Aryon: 10:24

The one time Rory uh plugs it in the bunker, he gets a free drop into the rough into the rough you know, yeah, i mean it, just it, and it's like it wasn't even, it wasn't bad at all, but the, the greens totally different story. I mean gosh man, like so many missed putts, and specifically from um Scotty, scheffler and Ricky, and then, of course, when they're out of it, you know Scotty will hit a 30 footer like it's nothing after he missed I don't know five birdie putts by matter of an inch. Yeah, unbelievable It was.

Aryon: 10:59

It was tough to watch because, think about it, how many players shot 70,? uh, rory shot 70, wyndham Clark shot 70, which is basically shooting par to win it. So if Ricky Fowler would have shot par, if he went into this round today thinking all I've got to do is shoot par to be in a playoff, i feel like he's got to think, oh, that's done, that's easy, and maybe it would have changed his out. I don't know. But the whole, the whole round, to me just something just seemed off about it. It was tough to watch.

Jordan: 11:29

I think they see Tommy on the leaderboard shooting a 63 and feel that they have to go out and shoot a low round instead of playing even par, just chasing like the pack, you know, playing as if they are behind, if that makes sense.

Aryon: 11:44

It has to be because I guess I did not think the winning score was going to be minus 10 going into it. Especially after watching Tommy Fleetwood go off. I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was going to be minus 15. I was. I thought someone would at least get to 12 or 13 and stay there. But you mentioned Tommy Fleetwood and what he did today obviously had a phenomenon around. He holds, I think, the most 63s in the U S open, or something like that.

Jordan: 12:12

Yeah, in the final round, yeah.

Aryon: 12:14

But it also gets you know. It makes me think. You I'm sure you saw what he did last week, you know almost winning the Canadian open. Is he the best player that doesn't have a win right now?

Jordan: 12:29

He's got to be. He's in the top two. I can't even think of who the other one would be off the top of my back or off the top of my head. We won't. we won't visit it too long, but the Tommy Fleetwood disaster that happened last week I I've never seen a meltdown quite like that. Just how bad that was, and it almost made me think today that Tommy Fleetwood is just better chasing than having a lead. when he, when there's no pressure on him, he seems to be just that type of golfer, which that's okay. Some people win their majors like that And I think that's a nice little thing to have in the back of his mind for future majors is oh yeah, i've carded 63 a few times on these final rounds. but were you, are you liking Tommy Fleetwood and what he did, did it kind of give you a false impression of what's out there on the course?

Aryon: 13:19

Well, and I don't want to spend too much time on Tommy Fleetwood, but I do have a feeling that he might be one of those players that if he gets a win he could fill out three or four in a matter of a season Like it's nothing if he gets that major chip off his shoulder. But yeah, he did. When I saw him go out and score the way that he did, it did make me feel like I didn't think the the course was going to play as hard as it did. But once again, i don't feel like it was the course. I mean, obviously the greens are part of the course, i get it But I don't feel like it was the.

Aryon: 13:52

When I think of like the course played really hard, i don't consider just the greens. I wouldn't phrase it that way. If it's just the greens that are causing a problem, i'd say the greens are fast or I'd say the greens are hard. If I'm saying the course is playing really hard, i'm saying there's a lot of balls. There are a lot of, you know, balls going out of bounds or going in the water or the rough is really thick or different things like that. That's what I say. That's what I'm thinking when I say the course plays hard, to me it's just the greens just killed the players And I know they were trying to keep them fast. Were they at like a 13?

Jordan: 14:23

or something. Yeah, they're around a 13 from what I saw. Yeah.

Aryon: 14:26

Yeah, but in the pin placement, like, with the exception of like one or two holes, they wanted it to be hard to score And I think after the first day and the low scores that were put up the first day, they just were not going to. I mean, they were going to do everything they could in their power quickly to make it harder And the only thing they really had in their control were the was the greens and the pin placement.

Jordan: 14:51

So let's, let's visit back to Scottie Schaeffler. That's. That's one of your guys, your big Scottie fan. Throughout this week I hear Scottie's like doing something different with his putter, cracked his face on the driver, and so in my shoes I'm thinking that's a lot of equipment changes during and through this whole US Open And I'm kind of thinking myself I don't know that he really, not to say he doesn't have a chance, but I don't see him pulling off the win. That any of that factor into what you're thinking. With all this equipment change going on and seeing him on the driving range after the round, what did you think?

Aryon: 15:27

Well, doesn't he? didn't he get a new putter for this?

Jordan: 15:30

He did. He had a new putter for this this week.

Aryon: 15:33

Yeah, it just goes into what I said a couple of weeks ago where it's like he, i, he misses more opportunities than any person other than maybe Victor Hovland that I've seen in the past several months And that man is in it all the time. It's just. It's just. It's why he's the best player in the world He can have. I mean, his putting has been horrible today. I think he was like ranked 47th A couple of weeks ago it was. It was really bad. We talked about it on the podcast And yet he still finished so low, third in a major, with more birdie misses by an inch than I've seen.

Aryon: 16:11

I mean then it and maybe like we you know, maybe I said because I'm pulling for it, i feel like it's happening to him more than other players But it was pretty bad. And if you go back and watch that round again, he had so many opportunities, so many, so many putts that came like they stopped in inch away. It's not like it rolled by an inch away, it stopped an inch away And he's still like, even with two holes left. I'm like you know what, if he birdies this, rory Bogies 18 and you know Clark just blows up, he still has a chance to go into a playoff with Rory McClure. Like I felt that You know, like he's going to do something crazy and make this work, but obviously he didn't pull it off but he's still solo third with all horrible putting performance.

Jordan: 16:56

And did you see the stat that came up towards the end of the broadcast on his sand saves for the week, yeah.

Jordan: 17:02

Yeah, don't around the greens that he's really losing stroke. He went, i think, three of nine. He was two of eight when they showed the stat and then he actually got a sand save on that one. Yeah, it's interesting because he's the number one player in the world. You just automatically assume that he's got a great bunker game, but he's ranked like around 150. Last year in bunker play It wasn't great and it really caught me off guard for them to show that stat and actually talk about it during the broadcast. So the ball striking is obviously some of the best in the history of golf, but around the greens I think you're on to something of like. You can only see yourself miss so many putts by an inch that it doesn't begin to just frustrate you and you need some type of change. Hey, for you as a golfer, if you see that many putts Come up close, come up short of the hole, are you changing the equipment or are you like you know what I'm getting close to the hole? What's your approach on that?

Aryon: 17:57

Yeah I. That's a great question. First thing I'm doing is I'm, or what I've done in the past, is I've changed my putting grip first, before I just changed the whole club itself. Yeah, i, yeah, eventually I would change the putter. I mean, if everything else in my game was that good and I'm losing tournaments solely on my putting, which we can, we can say that in a combination of this game around the greens is why he's losing these tournaments And, honestly, why he's probably not blowing these tournaments out of the water. I mean, he with with his other stats. I think we had talked about it a couple weeks ago where he was like what was it? plus 10 from T to green and then minus nine or Like that. I can't remember the exact stat. But yeah, if I had stats like that, you're right, i probably would change my putter. I would do something different every.

Jordan: 18:51

Something different. Yeah, because you can only see it happen so many times before. It's just like I need something new in the memory bank, you know.

Aryon: 18:59

Yeah, i'm shocked. you said, though, he was 150th last year because I felt like he had so many chip ins like saves last year. And, once again, because I'm watching him constantly, because I'm pulling for him, i'm going to feel the wins and the losses much more than somebody who's just observing him with every other golfer. But I felt like there were so many times where he was in a buy and he would chip his way out for par or birdie save or something like that.

Jordan: 19:27

So I'm shocked and maybe, maybe that stat was from this year I may have misheard the broadcasts either this year or last year. Obviously, this year he's struggling in the sand. Somebody else that was struggling in the sand that let's talk about him as well. Rory McElroy really didn't have a good, good bunker performance this week, and back in the day when he was winning majors he was anytime. I saw him go in the bunkers. it's like this guy was getting up and down like automatically. He was just insane from the bunkers. It's kind of something that looks like it's gone by the wayside. What do you think it for him on the putting?

Aryon: 20:00

Yeah, well, i think Rory has spent the last several years working on his just his swing overall. You know this was three, four years ago. He was making some major changes and whenever you make a major swing change like that, especially at that point in his career, other things are going to fall by the wayside. So now clearly his swing is where it needs to be. He's in contention all the time and it's just something he's going to have to iron out. He's got the ability to do it. It's just going to be something he needs to prioritize and he'll get there. But for a while he was playing pretty bad golf and he turned that around and it's just something else. He just has to practice and make, like I said, make a priority.

Jordan: 20:42

He hasn't really had these good final rounds of golf. I actually thought he played a pretty good final round of golf today. He didn't completely fall out of contention, he was right there towards the end, shot a great score given the conditions, because he just played even par golf that we talked about, but it wasn't an elite round of golf.

Aryon: 20:58

Yeah, I actually don't know. I don't know. My take on that is a little bit different because there were a lot of players who shot under par. Yeah, let me look. Yeah, let me looking at the final round here.

Jordan: 21:10

I know people that went like negative six and negative seven. Yeah, like that.

Aryon: 21:16

Well, fleetwood, obviously he went negative seven. And then John Rom went minus five. Jordan Smith went minus four. Austin Ekrow Yeah, i went minus five. Okay, i'm Smith minus.

Aryon: 21:27

I mean there were a lot of players and not a lot. There were I don't know what 20 players that were shooting under par. If you're expecting to win on the final round, you need to shoot, you need to be in that top 20, for your round should be in the top 20. I think that's pretty fair to say. So I don't know I actually. That's why I was saying earlier that I felt the round was really really painful to watch, because nobody was doing what they needed to do to really win. Everyone was just trying to stay safe, Everyone was just and I don't know if their game plan was that, but the way the score was, but the way the way the scoring was going on, it was just avoiding mistakes, avoiding mistakes, and whoever avoided the most amount of mistakes ended up winning. Nobody went out and took it Right. That's how I felt. I felt like William Clark just had to play defense to get there because he shot par.

Jordan: 22:20

So let me throw out an interesting little thing to you. Rory, the last time he won his majors, he's had three rounds in the 60s going into the final round. If you would have shot a fourth round in the 60s today he's in a playoff. I know it's completely hypothetical, but if it gets to a playoff between him and Wyndham, I'm taking Rory. in those situations, What are you saying?

Aryon: 22:40

Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean 100%, and it's something where I need to look at. I mean, i don't know if Wyndham Clark has ever been in a playoff before, you know, before he won at the Wells Fargo, but obviously, if he has been, he didn't win, and with Rory even being within a couple of strokes of you, that's intimidating. Imagine going head to head with him Like I felt like there would be no chance. And I know, and I feel like Wyndham Clark probably knew that, which is why he got so excited when he hit that putt like a foot. Sure, he this pumped before he even made the final putt. So yeah, i mean I 100% agree with you, okay.

Jordan: 23:20

Okay, So you and I were also talking. I think we've kind of addressed the players that we want to address a lot of praise and critique for this course and in the environment and all that goes into that Before we, before we're done by that, ricky let's, i suppose. How can I forget about Ricky, yeah, yeah, tell me Yeah.

Aryon: 23:38

What do you think? Well, i'm going to ask you this Are you? how do you take? obviously, the round in itself was a disappointment, but if you look at the tournament overall, he's still finished. Let me see Was he T hold on Total? He was Oh wait. Oh yeah, he's T5. Okay, t5 in a major. Obviously he's been playing well enough to get in the major. Last year He wasn't even able to play in the US open. So what is your overall take and overall thought on Ricky with the entire tournament, not just this round?

Jordan: 24:19

To sum it up, i mean, i guess, briefly, is the swing changes are paying off. He put himself in contention. He didn't pull it off on the final day, but he put himself in contention And I think that's all you can do in these majors is, just like Rory, just like Scottie, put yourself in contention and continue to do so, keep knocking on the door And I think good things come from that and you start building confidence. I'm genuinely shocked not to put it back on Wyndham Clerk, but I'm genuinely shocked. He had like zero experience in majors, relatively speaking, and he pulled this off. I think that speaks volumes about that guy. Ricky's had plenty of experience in majors and just had a bad round today.

Aryon: 25:02

Yeah, no, i agree.

Jordan: 25:04

What about you? What do?

Aryon: 25:05

you think, yeah, so I always forget, cause he won the players. I always forget that he hasn't won a major. And when they said this, i'm like wait, yeah, he hasn't. I'm like, oh, wait, no, he hasn't. So I would say this if we just didn't watch the tournament and saw at the end of the week, wow, ricky Fallow was T5 in the US Open. Holy cow, that's amazing.

Aryon: 25:23

It's amazing His final round. And then if you learn that he shot four over on the final round and was still T5, you'd be like, wow, that's incredible that he was that good. But obviously, watching it, you're gonna be disappointed because if everything were to play over again and Ricky knew he just had to shoot basically one under after he shot a record 62 on Thursday, I think he could have pulled it off. And I also don't think, because I watched every shot of his that they broadcasted And I actually don't think he played as bad as his score suggested. I don't feel like he was so much worse than Scottie Scheffler or so much worse than Rory McClurey. I really don't feel that way.

Jordan: 26:08

He had a couple of bad breaks.

Aryon: 26:10

He had a couple of missed putts. What did he end up putting? Hold on statistics. Let me see He was yeah. So Rory McClurey was 57, 57th putting this round, scottie Scheffler was 47th and Ricky Fallow was 52nd And everybody else, except for Wyndham Clark, who actually didn't do as well. Everybody else was in the top 10 that were within, like that, finished T5 or less. Everybody else was in the top 10 for putting, except for those people, because Cam Smith, tommy Fleetwood and who was it? Min Woo Lee, all had to play well to get into the top five, whereas Wyndham Clark, rory McClurey, scottie Scheffler and Fallow stayed where they were. Their sports didn't move.

Jordan: 27:03

It's interesting. Did you know that Wyndham Clark and Ricky Fallow were playing the exact same putter? because they only mentioned it on the broadcast a solid 50 times. It was annoying how many times they were mentioning this.

Aryon: 27:17

Yeah, I think they went to the same school too, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, you could be wrong.

Jordan: 27:24

It was truly getting ridiculous.

Aryon: 27:26

Okay, and that was something else I wanted to ask That putter head. Okay, i'm always surprised because when I went and found my putter, i have a Scottie Cameron, like I mentioned in the what's in the bag, but it's the what is that? Where it's not a, it's not a. Oh man, it's not a blade, but it's not a. Okay, jerome, what is that called? It's not a blade, it's a blade, putter or mallet or a. What's the other one, mallet or a?

Jordan: 27:59

Face balance putter.

Aryon: 28:01

No, it's what's the big one. What's the big one? There's the small putter, medium and big, but the big one is called something.

Jordan: 28:14

I honestly, I'm totally blanking with you right now. We should actually just leave this in here too.

Aryon: 28:20

This is ridiculous, because I only bought a putter cover. A thousand times Putter covers hold on. It's a one in the world. Okay, it's a mallet. And then what's the other one? Blade, it is a blade. Oh, okay, i thought you looked at me like, no, it's not a blade. No, yeah, it's a blade. Okay, thank you. Yeah, i'm sorry, i thought-.

Jordan: 28:46

You said there's a blade putter, what's the other one? I said mallet.

Aryon: 28:49

Oh, i thought you looked at me like this No, it's not called a blade, like that's a club. I was like, no, it is Okay. But then there's like a mid mallet. There's a mid mallet. Okay, yeah, all right. So let's end it here. Okay, so All right, jordan, what's funny about this? What's funny about putters?

Aryon: 29:06

So when I found my putter, as I said on the what's in the bag, i actually got my Scotty Cameron in the like used putter section. I saw it. It was in decent shape. I just had to change the grip. It was awesome And it was a mid mallet putter.

Aryon: 29:21

So it's like, you know, it's kind of it's got a little bit of a lip on the back, but it's not the same as a blade.

Aryon: 29:29

And when I was reading about it, from my understanding, blade putters are a little bit easier to control, whereas the mallet putters what I got from it were mallet putters were more for beginners, right When I was reading up on why someone would use a blade over a mallet. But there are so many professionals using a mallet putter And it just kind of made me realize. I feel like when it comes to putting like kind of all you know, like there's no rhyme or reason for almost anything. You know people are just they'll use a ruler if it works right. It's just like whatever feels good, whatever goes in. Obviously you have to read the greens and you have to be good at that, but I feel like putting is the most like. I don't even know. It just seems to be no standard for that. And I would think that, just like all professionals use blades, blade irons, you would think they're all gonna use blade putters as well, but that's not near the case.

Jordan: 30:34

No, it's whatever works. man Like we've heard stories of Jim Furick going in and like buying a putter like off the huge rack at one of the clubhouses for I think, like 80 bucks or something like that to people who are spending like over $1,000 on a putter and find success with it. I truly, at the end of the day, go ahead.

Aryon: 30:55

Yeah, I was gonna say yeah, like Jack Nicholas. I watched several documentaries on him and I know he was having like several months with putting issues and somebody pulled this putter out of the back of their trunk. He used it. And then Jack like yeah, it's one on one, 14 majors with, or something crazy like that Don't quote me on the amount, number of majors, but yeah, it's unbelievable. But yeah, I looked at that. That was not the putter. And then you look at the grips and then you look at the anchoring and just there's more variation with putting than I think anything else in the game And it's just really interesting because that's the number one way to score, technically speaking, Like that's not technically.

Jordan: 31:33

Yeah, no, no way to score, yeah.

Aryon: 31:36

It's just to me, that's just. I guess it's what makes golf golf, but I think that's super interesting.

Jordan: 31:41

And for those who don't practice lag putting, i think just take a look at what Wyndham Clark did to win the US Open, because it came down to a lag putt Cause if he three putts that, then it's over to that playoff with Rory that we were talking about. It's just interesting, you know what's funny.

Aryon: 32:01

As much as I said earlier that the Greens killed everyone, there were not a whole lot of three putts, but there were a lot of missed birdie opportunities. I think that's what I need to change my statement to, because when I was looking for a major blowup, nobody was doing that. Unfortunately, especially for the players that I wanted to fall. Nobody was three putting, nobody was, they were all two putting. But because the course actually did not play as hard as everyone said it was going to, players were hitting approach shots within 10 feet and missing those putts And that's what was to me the biggest like issue with the round and nobody was able to score when they needed to.

Jordan: 32:45

That makes sense. I'll go with you on that one Plenty, yeah, cause it almost seemed like a lot of times they were making the like three to four foot par putt. I saw Rory miss one on home number nine I think. But yeah, it really was. It wasn't a ton of three putts, but yeah, great point, great point. So any closing words on Ricky before we move on.

Aryon: 33:09

Just overall, it's good to see that he's continuing to play well. He'll get another, you know he'll, i think. I think he'll get a major before he goes on.

Jordan: 33:21

He has to, he has to get a major.

Aryon: 33:24

Well, if you would have asked me a year or two ago I would have probably said no, i think the way he's playing now and as you were saying earlier, you know butch arm and he said this is not a fluke, this is not an accident. Ricky's putting in the work And I'm glad to see that he didn't like take all his sponsorships, take all his money and just kind of sail out to the sunset Like it means more to him than that. You know he fired his coach, he brought on butch. He's been clearly practicing, he's got a wife and a child and he's doing what he needs to do to stay competitive and stay.

Aryon: 33:55

You know, i can't even imagine the amount of commercials he's going to be in now just playing well again, because I saw him all the time even when he wasn't. But no, it's good to see And yes, i do think he'll get a major, i think this week. Actually I think he can walk away from this week feeling pretty happy overall because his attitude towards the whole week was great. He said he wasn't afraid to fail. He did, by all means, failed today, but it's a great learning lesson And it just it's got to. Like said, t5 in a major is no easy feat, especially on this course.

Jordan: 34:28

You're right. OK, so now I tried to get us there before. Let's go into it now. Praise and criticism of the golf course. as a viewer, did you like this golf course or did you not? Well, what are your thoughts?

Aryon: 34:41

Well, i know we're going to talk about specific holes in a little bit, but overall, man, that's a. I don't know, no, probably not, probably not. I thought there were a couple of cool holes, but I like golf courses where your misses are going to penalize you and not your misses around the green necessarily, even your fairway misses, and I felt like there was none. There was a, there was a little bit of it on a couple of holes, but when you're hitting so far right that you're in another T-Box or another fairway and you actually have a good look on the green, that's not that. I mean, that doesn't reward. That rewards bad golf, in my opinion, and I don't love that as a viewer. So there was nothing about the course. It wasn't like the worst thing I've ever seen, but there's nothing about the course that really stood out to me as like oh, this was awesome. I want to see it played here again. Mm, hmm, what about you Would?

Jordan: 35:40

you, what if it were just played for like a normal, like designated event? What if it weren't for a major? You like the course in those scenarios. It was fine.

Aryon: 35:49

I mean I don't. I don't like Tournaments where I feel like Everything is made or broken on the greens, Like, like I said it, basically, You can do whatever you want off the tee or whatever you want on your approach Within reason. I'm not saying that that's true. I get what you're saying Yes. And you're just rewarded by, by, by your putting I. I don't love that. I love I like if you hit a shot. I mean, you know, was there any water on the course? Maybe a little bit.

Jordan: 36:24

Maybe it was a little bit. Yeah, it's not much.

Aryon: 36:26

Yeah, there was, there wasn't a whole lot. I mean, there were so many mishits off the tee and on the second shot that weren't that problematic. So I'm going to say that, yeah, it's fine. It's fine for a regular tournament, but and it did what it needed to do for a major meaning. It kept the scores relatively low after the first round. But from a viewing experience and from a just yeah, it wasn't the best.

Jordan: 36:58

Okay, so okay, let me ask you this If you got the opportunity to get out there and play, do you think that you would like playing it? If there were no, if there were no US Open played there, do you think that you would like it? Because I, honestly, didn't even really know about this course up until this year, when we heard that the US Open was going there.

Aryon: 37:20

Well, as a player, yes, I like playing forgiving courses. It makes me feel better about myself.

Jordan: 37:24

Sure fair enough.

Aryon: 37:25

So but I mean, trust me, i'm sure, just like most professional courses, if a 10 to 20 handicap player went out there they'd shoot 120 easily on that course. So I'm not saying it's an easy course, but sure I mean, i'm sure it's, i'm sure it's nice. It's an LA. I'm sure the weather is beautiful. I'm sure it was a great experience from from just playing it, even though a lot of players weren't happy with the crowds and a lot of how the USGA kind of how it all played out. But I'm sure it would be nice to play. It's in California. It's like it's it's. they said the course, the land that the course is on is worth $8 billion. I'm sure it's pretty good.

Aryon: 38:07

But just from a viewing experience, there are so many better courses that I would, or so many courses I'd rather see played than that one, okay.

Jordan: 38:16

I loved.

Aryon: 38:16

I loved last year When they played at the the one with the squirrel. What was it?

Jordan: 38:23

The country club.

Aryon: 38:24

Country club. Yeah Yeah, i loved that course And I don't feel the same about this one.

Jordan: 38:31

Okay, i really got in on the preview podcast that we have for for this tournament. I really got into the history of this one. I actually I love the history of this golf course and all that goes into it. Just reading through some of the criticism of the course And Tirol Hatton did not like that US open courses.

Jordan: 38:50

It just feels like they just keep making them longer and longer to make it harder. And he's like 245 yards into a par four is just stupid, like that's not, that's not fun golf, because one of one of the holes was like 550 yard par four. He isn't a fan of just simply adding length. He likes that it's tougher because around the US opens they actually used to mow all that down around the greens so that if your ball missed the green it was rolling down. A huge type of deal. This one took the opposite approach of growing up the Fescue and everything. I don't think the players really liked the layout. Obviously the ones that are saying things are the ones who didn't really play. Well, it looks like I know we have Kepke saying he's one of golf courses that he doesn't like the layout of and everything. But typically the players who are going to come out in the media and say they don't like this place are the ones who aren't playing well, right.

Aryon: 39:43

I'm sure Wyndham Clark loves the golf course.

Aryon: 39:45

I'm sure he loves the atmosphere. Yeah, i mean Justin Thomas and Brooks Kepke are the two golfers that kind of stood out to me the most, that had negative comments about either the course or the atmosphere. And Brooks made the cut but he didn't play particularly well And you know, justin Thomas didn't play well at all, so I didn't put a whole lot of stock into that And I think they were more. So. They said there were some good holes not really any great holes, but they were speaking more to or at least Justin Thomas was speaking more to the layout of the course and how it helped, like the fans and like how the fans were able to navigate through the course and the amount of tickets that were sold.

Aryon: 40:34

I guess the majority of them were from corporate sponsorships. There weren't a bunch of fans that were really like rowdy and got the you know pulse bump and everything like that. So I don't know. I mean I remember when COVID was going on and there were no fans at the golf courses. Rory specifically made a lot of comments about how that completely changed the atmosphere and how it plays. So I'm sure there's a lot to that. That wasn't something I really noticed as a fan, but I did think it was interesting because you were talking about the 245 yard par three, right Par four.

Jordan: 41:07

No. So Tirol Hatton, there's a very long 550 yard par four. He's like I can like nuke my tee shot And he's talking about the fairway into the shot is an uphill 245 yard shot.

Aryon: 41:24

Oh okay, And he's like this is just stupid.

Jordan: 41:26

All we're doing is we're just moving tee boxes back and making it quote unquote harder for us. It's like that's not what. That's not what a US Open is supposed to be about.

Aryon: 41:35

Correct, but I'm almost saying there's a 240 yard par three. that was.

Jordan: 41:40

Oh, there was a 200. There were two 285 and a 290 yard par three And then you had one that was between 130 and 80 yards. Yeah, and it's just, it's silly.

Aryon: 41:51

Yeah, it is. I mean that part, the long, the super long, par threes, and then you have a par four. That's like what, 265 to the pin, the one that we're going to I know we're going to talk about it.

Jordan: 42:02

Yeah, it's a whole six, anywhere between three and three 20. Yeah, it's very drivable Yeah.

Aryon: 42:07

Oh, I thought it was. If you go direct line, it was even shorter than that It could have been.

Jordan: 42:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could have been.

Aryon: 42:12

Yeah, so I mean that. I mean I guess you could say it's interesting that you have because it really, you know, it really makes a golfer have to kind of get into their bag, literally and figuratively, to make all these different shots and to play, you know, play these different holes. So I guess you could say that that is somewhat interesting. But yeah, i don't, i don't love nearly 300 yard par threes in any situation to me. that I don't know, i mean that's just not my cup of tea. So I didn't do anything for me there.

Jordan: 42:42

Did you have a favorite hole that you really liked watching? Or they all, if they're all kind of blurring together, just be honest, Like yeah, Well.

Aryon: 42:54

I know we're going to talk about hole six, which is driver par four, and I would say that's the one that stuck out to me the most, and hole two, because it was so difficult for everybody. I would probably say those two because I like holes were not necessarily because they're longer, i just like holes that players have to work to score well on there. or especially, like I said, if you want a little drama towards the end of a hole, where it's hard to make a par, it does make it interesting. So I liked the fact that the last three holes were more challenging. Well, in general, i mean, i did like a hole six because, even though I thought a lot of players did not play it the way I would have thought made sense.

Jordan: 43:33

In what way?

Aryon: 43:34

Well, i don't see why you lay up on that at all. I don't. When you can miss it right And have that shot that Rory had today, i don't see why you wouldn't do that, why you wouldn't go for it every time, because you're as long as you don't hit just a terrible shot, you're pretty safe. I mean, you have a true chance of like getting a landing on the green And if you miss right you're still pin high in the not so rough rough. I don't know. I mean clear. I don't take my word on it. I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but they literally showed the statistics that people who missed right or went straight at it scored it like a quarter of a point, like lower than people who missed left or people who laid up and majority of people I saw today, with the exception Rory laid up on that whole.

Jordan: 44:26

Interesting. I didn't see that stat and I was looking for that stat to see what the difference was.

Aryon: 44:31

Yeah, it was something like if you miss to the right, the average score was like 3.4 something. If you go straight on for the flag, it was 3.5. And then if you lay up to the left, it was like 3.7 or 3.8 or some, even maybe a little bit higher than that. And I, ricky, went left, which at that point I did not feel like he was in a position where he needed to play safe. He needed to go out there and score, and that was another thing. Ricky relied very heavily on his short game. He did not pull through today with that But. But then Rory missed right. But Rory had just as good of a shot as Ricky didn't. He didn't hit the best tee shot. So I just don't understand why everybody in that situation wouldn't go for it there, because the stats show that if you go straight forward or miss to the right, you have like a set of much better chance of getting a shoot in the birdie.

Jordan: 45:23

The argument against it was just all the Fescue around the green And a lot of times if it landed in that Fescue you didn't know what the lie was Like your boy Fitzpatrick and hit one. That ended up like in the middle of Fescue And it was like propped up and he easily could have hit underneath it. So with all the analytics that we have now, it's not as appealing of a hole as it was. All the analytics say if you have drivable par four, you now go for it at that level. At that level for you and I may be like a 250 yard par four, but I think I'm going for a 250 yard par four.

Aryon: 46:02

Yeah, because as long as you don't have like a serious out of bounds or water or something that like is unrecoverable, you know, if you, if you miss on, you know and you go long.

Jordan: 46:14

But if you're just like if you're on land, it's like this is an O-brainer.

Aryon: 46:19

Yeah, or being in a bunker, something like that. I yeah. There's very few situations where I'm not going for it. I will say the Wyndham Clark hit a really good shot because he went straight for the pin. He actually ended up in a very unfavorable situation where he had to hit a really tough wedge shot, like almost like a flop shot up and down to save par, which he did.

Jordan: 46:41

So props to the winner, perhaps the one any. the other one I was looking at talking about was the hole 15, which was the really short par three. We saw our handful of hole in ones on that hole. Did you like seeing an 80 yard par three at the US Open on Saturday?

Aryon: 46:58

No, that's ridiculously short. Once again, the only good thing about these like long par three, short par threes, short par fours, like the kind of the complete randomness of the length of these holes, is if, in theory, it provides a lot of scoring opportunities and a lot of movement on the leaderboard. You like having that because then it's like no lead is safe or somebody could easily jump up. And yes, there was some of that today, but I don't feel like those were the holes that people were making the moves. So, once again, as an overall, it wasn't ideal. And no, I mean 80 yards like that's not what you're paying to see the best in the world do.

Jordan: 47:45

Okay, okay, well, okay, let's kind of gear down here. Are there any closing thoughts? What does this do for the rest of your golf year? Does it put Wyndham Clark on the road ahead to win another title? What are you thinking about the golf world as we move forward in the year, because in about a month we've got one more major championship called the Open. What are you thinking about heading into the next four weeks?

Aryon: 48:15

Yeah, I'm gonna need one of my guys to close it out here soon.

Jordan: 48:18

Okay, who are your guys?

Aryon: 48:20

Just so the viewers know, i mean I'd love it if Scotty Schaeffler can finish and win. I mean, obviously Scotty's been playing great, he's been winning, he's fine, but like he's in it so much And I feel like I'm constantly watching it fall short Victor Houghland did get it done, thankfully, recently. But just, i mean it's look the list of guys who I like and who I want to win. I mean there's a long list of them. I'm just saying, when it's the final round and I have a guy or two that I'm pulling for nine out of 10 times, it's like painful watching them just completely fall apart. I just mean more in general, i think this year for golf has been interesting.

Aryon: 49:07

I can't believe we're already in, like about to play the open again. I mean I feel like that just happened, like all of that stuff just happened, but with there being quite a few players who have won twice. I don't know that John Rom is super, super safe as the player of the year, because I'm telling you it's weird, like with fans and momentum, if he doesn't win again, like, and a player gets to three and one of them is a major. I bet, i'm telling you, i bet there's a conversation And I'll tell you this too. if Scotty Scheffler gets to three wins, i could see people pulling for him to be player of the year again, because he's already ahead of John Rom and the money leader for the year. So he's playing, he's in more tournaments overall, but I think Scotty would have to win a major. I agree.

Aryon: 50:05

Or at least the tour championship Tour yes, yes, but I think if, like Scotty Scheffler won the open and it ended for three and they played out with like similar performances throughout the rest of the year, i could see player of the year going to Scotty again. Hmm.

Jordan: 50:22

It's interesting because I didn't make this comment before, but as we go to the open, the open is what inspired Zach to want to be this awesome putter, because it came down to Rory versus Cam Smith with a putter in their hand. Rory didn't putt very well, just again, kind of like today. He lost a major last year due to putting. He's lost another one this year due to putting. I'm really hoping we see Rory win a major. I'm a Rory fan. Obviously. I would love to see him win the open. It's one he's won before. I don't think it's at the same course, but I'm pulling for Rory as we go ahead. Are you pulling for Rory or not?

Aryon: 51:00

No, i'm not, and I don't have anything against Rory. He's just not one of the guys I'm usually ever cheering for, unless the other person is somebody I really don't like. Like, if it's Rory and Brooks Kepka, i'll pull for Rory. You know there's a couple other players who I because I'm very neutral on Rory, like I have nothing against him, like there's no reason why I dislike him, but he's never a guy that I'm like. Yes, i need him to get this win. I don't know why it's In him versus Wyndham were you pulling for Rory over Wyndham today?

Jordan: 51:30

No, no, no, i told you, rory is the fifth guy on my list.

Aryon: 51:34

Okay, but. I would pick Rory over Rom and I would pick Rory over Brooks Kepka. I hate to bring this up, but I'm going to Hit me with it. The live versus PGA drama kind of was out the door.

Jordan: 51:47

It was completely, completely completely, completely, completely out the door.

Aryon: 51:51

Yeah, and what I mean by that is, if this merger hadn't happened, i would have made a comment before, now that Dustin Johnson and Cam Smith were in contention They're not losing their form, but now that it's all, they're merged, it's all together. It didn't even really cross my mind.

Jordan: 52:10

It wasn't even Yeah, it wasn't even in the story lines. Nothing about it was there And it felt Can I be honest in saying that it felt weird Because it's been the story lines all year.

Aryon: 52:23

Yeah, but it made me feel like things are finally getting back to how they should be. All the best players, i agree, and and it's quite exciting. But Yeah, i mean it's. It's something like we're what an hour almost into this podcast And we this is the first time live was even mentioned. It really is. Granted, there were, there were live players in contention And I mean, did I think Dustin Johnson was going to pull it out?

Aryon: 52:49

No, but he had a chance to, especially knowing that the final score was minus 10. At the beginning of the round, if I'm like, all right, dustin, you just got to get to minus 10, like in your in it, or you know, cam Smith would have been a little bit of a tougher challenge, but the guy can do it. He's a wizard, he's a wizard And he's, he's someone like man. I think I trust him more than anyone with a putter in his hand, anyone More than anyone. Oh yeah, even if the stats don't show it. It's like he's unfazed around the green, ok, and when I see him make a bad chip shot or a bad putt, it's truly shocking to me, ok, truly shocking. So, but yeah, so it's like it's probably one of those things we can put to bed, but I I did think that it was interesting that it was not the storyline at all.

Aryon: 53:32

And and what's his name? Um, uh, the guy Brooks Kepke said we need a welfare check on him. Oh, brando, brando, shambly, yeah, shambly, he like. He seemed fine. He was in the broadcast. He seemed fine He did. Considering how bad things were just a couple weeks ago, he seemed OK.

Jordan: 53:53

He really did, he's, he's doing. Ok, ah man, i'm, i, i know it's, it's a month away, looking forward to the final major of the year I. It is always such a tough time for me because it means golf is winding down, and I hate that we then have to wait till the Masters next year. It feels like it just takes forever to get back.

Aryon: 54:13

So you don't get excited for the January tournament of champions. The tournament of champions.

Jordan: 54:20

I got excited for more this year than I have in past years because of that like better field this year.

Aryon: 54:25

Yeah.

Jordan: 54:26

It's a. It's not a major. major, i know, but I feel like I feel like January things start to kind of gear up Like I feel you, yeah, i start like it's always like Augusta is on the horizon, you know, and it just it takes forever to get here, because we're going to be in July And then we have to wait till April of next year for a major, and that just Start.

Aryon: 54:50

Oh, this was the third major.

Jordan: 54:52

This is the third major man. They're doing differently. Yeah, Yes, See see, that's right.

Aryon: 54:57

I was thinking what are you talking about?

Jordan: 54:59

We've got three major championship last month.

Aryon: 55:01

Yeah, this is it man? We're coming to the final major of the year Holy cow, what? that's what I'm saying. No, that's yeah, wow, what are we? Yeah, unbelievable. I literally thought we have, we've got, we've got two more. I don't know No it's the different schedule to see, it's, it's the Well we do have, we do have like Eastlake. I mean it's not, it's not over after the open, but I feel you know.

Jordan: 55:27

But the, the FedEx ramp up is a little bit different this year because it's it's not as big of a field that gets to move forward And I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed the FedEx playoffs. But this year is just different. Scheduling is going to change and golf just keeps moving forward with the unification of all that's that's going on now. So I don't know what it is.

Aryon: 55:46

Scheduling moving forward, yeah, and I don't know where my head was at, because if we would have had the conversation we had at the beginning of this podcast, when we were talking about, you know, what does winning park have to do and all that stuff, i for some reason I thought there was so much more golf left to be played.

Jordan: 56:01

There's not, there's not, there's not So he's also in his defense to your, to your Rom argument earlier. He's also peeking at the right time Because you'd rather close strong than start too early. You know what I mean? I know Rom's got four, but he started really early And now he's kind of like. So we said this.

Aryon: 56:22

We said this earlier, but I just want your concrete answers. So Wyndham Clark doesn't win again until the tour championship. So he's got three wins with the tour championship. Rum's got four. Both of them have one major. Who's winning in that scenario?

Jordan: 56:39

I think from Four wins on the PGA tours, no joke. And you have a different type of year because these one designated events which weigh more in the player of the year, because we've never had those before.

Aryon: 56:55

Yeah, but the Wyndham Clark wins the tour championship. That's not worth, like an event in a half. What if there's a deal? Well, because what if he wins? What if he wins? That's interesting because you have to. Usually you'll win an event to kind of get a lead in the tour championship, or you're in the shadow leaderboard and then you have to play really well to get there. But but if either way, it's, it's either way either he wins one more time to get an advantage in the tour championship, or he comes from some crazy, come behind, you know, because he's going to be at a little bit of a disadvantage because whoever the leader is at the time is going to have you know what, what? between two and 10 stroke advantage And he's going to have to come back to win there. So I feel like you've got to give that more than just a regular win.

Jordan: 57:47

Well, I mean he's going to get some points, that's even if he makes it this far. Well, we're, we're extrapolating quite a bit, but he's going to have some type of strokes going into into that, assuming that he keeps playing at this level. There may be a little bit of a hangover here, but he's going to keep playing. well, i would assume.

Aryon: 58:06

Yes, but but when you look at it it's he's got three trophies, rom has four, but he has a major and the and he almost has the equivalent of two majors, almost. He got the tour championship and the US Open. Rom has one major and a designated event.

Jordan: 58:22

I think he has two designated events Rom does.

Aryon: 58:25

Yeah, but that doesn't really mean anything But it's the more loaded field.

Jordan: 58:28

That's what I'm saying. Rom beat a hundred twenty hundred fifty I don't know how big these field sizes are And coming down the stretch, wyndham's only beating 30 players And the tour champion He has to, but he has to play well enough to get in there to do it.

Aryon: 58:46

I don't know. I think that's up for discussion. I think, if he wins, i think it wouldn't end. This is crazy because he probably, he probably is the tour championship.

Jordan: 58:55

I love the argument.

Aryon: 58:56

The tour championship. He's going to be in the conversation He will absolutely.

Jordan: 59:02

He's in, he. the fact that he's in the conversation is a wonderful, wonderful thing. I'm just saying four wins over three, that's all I don't know.

Aryon: 59:10

So you're telling me, if Rom won a major and three normal events, that it's now a different conversation.

Jordan: 59:19

Yeah, I think it's a little bit different Yeah.

Aryon: 59:22

If Rom didn't win a major and he just had four wins right now and Wyndham Clark has two wins, one of them being a major it's still going to run with the four wins No major, four over two.

Jordan: 59:34

Four over two with a major Yeah, I would still give it to Ron.

Aryon: 59:40

Yeah, i don't just necessarily disagree with that, because I even had an argument about that before that four wins in a season is better than a major when you're looking at a season, but for a career it's different. But I don't know. I think I think four wins with a major and three wins with a major and the or the FedEx Cup, i think, is worth. I think there's going to be a lot of people who will not pick Rom as the player of the year.

Jordan: 1:00:06

It also. it really does depend on how Rom closes out the year If Rom is in five and some and some stuff. I think it changes the narrative as well. I'm going to leave this part in the podcast. I just. I know viewers can't or listeners can't see what you're doing right now. Is everything okay on your end? What's? what's going on with the back over there?

Aryon: 1:00:24

I'm good, i'm good, i'm good.

Jordan: 1:00:31

I'm doing full out stretches while talking to me and getting very passionate about Wyndham Clark and becoming player that you just don't want John Rom to win player. Oh, I do not.

Aryon: 1:00:41

He. It just killed me when he won the Masters and I don't want to see him win again. You know somebody bet you know somebody bet. Put this in the podcast to.

Jordan: 1:00:52

Somebody bet $27,000 that Brooks Kepka wouldn't win for paying like huh Yeah, that he wouldn't win in the payout, wasn't it was a foul.

Aryon: 1:01:01

It was like 1700 or 1600 or something like that And I'm like you know, as bad of a bet as that was, it's really not that bad of a bet, it's pretty good. That's not that bad of a bet because it's like man. I mean, of course it's a major, brooks Kepka can win. But you're literally saying anybody else in the field can win, and I win $1,000 and it's not a hundred fifty five players over.

Aryon: 1:01:31

Yeah yeah one person, yeah, but it $27,000 is a lot, yeah, but but for me that I mean like the odds of that, though, like that's, that's pretty good, that's pretty good. I mean, i don't know, that's that's that. When I saw that bet, i thought about it for a while. I'm like, why do that? Because if I make that bet enough times, i think I'm ahead.

Jordan: 1:02:00

Yeah, so of course, of course you're ahead. Yeah, of course.

Aryon: 1:02:04

You know what I'm saying. So I just I don't think, man, because it depends on who the players I guess. I mean I wouldn't make that bet against Tiger Woods in his prime, but it's like you know, brooks Kepka, like I don't know. Thank goodness Zach isn't on this podcast because he I'm sure he does something to say, but anyways, Well, i mean back in the day, the bet was Tiger versus the field.

Jordan: 1:02:27

Yeah, but it was so interesting.

Aryon: 1:02:29

And I literally was thinking about this for about 10 minutes today, because this, this whole conversation we're having right now, is like I know this is going to come up, but it wasn't that it was. If you bet on Tiger, it was Tiger versus the field, but you couldn't bet the field against Tiger for the same odds. No, no, he's gonna give you that. Like, if you bet Tiger, it's Tiger versus the field. Yeah, because the casino still has to make money. I mean correct. Yeah, because because Tiger won what? 20% of the time. So if it's truly the field versus Tiger and you bet the field every time, with even money, you're going to be, you'll be rich. I mean that's sure, sure.

Jordan: 1:03:09

Interesting. Okay, any any closing comments that you want to make. We know that you don't want rhyme to win player of the year. Anything else you want to clear up for the listeners?

Aryon: 1:03:24

No.

Jordan: 1:03:28

Congratulations to Wyndham Clark. He got it out a heck of a performance And he really did catch me off guard with the wind man. But at the end of the day, props must be due and props are given.

Aryon: 1:03:43

Yes, absolutely. And did you watch the little interaction with his family?

Jordan: 1:03:47

I did not. I turned off the TV by then.

Aryon: 1:03:50

What about his caddy? the hug that he gave his caddy? No, he's the most intense player caddy hug I think I've ever seen, and that's saying something, because I watched the Tiger Woods documentary when he hugged his caddy after his dad passed. I think, yeah, stevie, yeah, and that was pretty intense. This one was. this one was aggressive, for sure. Well, props to Wyndham Yeah sometimes I like just raw emotion, like that, so good.

Jordan: 1:04:19

All right, well, let's, let's head out. Thanks for joining me, friend.

Aryon: 1:04:23

Thanks bud Anytime, It's fun Yeah.