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VanFest, RVing With Cancer & Building an RV Based Business - RV LIFE 159

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From van festivals and healing journeys to building a business on the road and turning RV influence into products, this episode explores how community, resilience, and entrepreneurship shape modern RV life.

  • Discover how VanFest brings van lifers, skoolies, and nomads together to build real community on the East Coast. 
  • Hear how one RVer navigates serious cancer treatment while staying mobile, organized, and committed to life on the road. 
  • Learn what it looks like to build a virtual assistant business from scratch while living full-time in an RV. 
  • Get an inside look at how Matt Foxcroft is growing his RV brand from reviews into nationwide product lines.

John talks with Lance Wilkinson, founder of VanFest, about building community through van gatherings along the East Coast. It is a look at how a simple event became a reunion point for nomads of every kind.

Then Jim and Rene sit down with Keith Wadsworth, who shares how cancer changed his life and led him into full-time RVing. His story is honest, practical, and deeply inspiring for anyone facing health challenges on the road.

Rose and Glynn talk with Kelsie Rozendaal about launching a virtual assistant business while living full-time in an RV and caregiving at home. She offers a real-time look at entrepreneurship in the messy middle.

Bob wraps up with Matt Foxcroft of Matt’s RV Reviews, who explains how he turned audience trust into a growing product business. It is a fascinating look at content, retail, and influence in the RV space.

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Welcome And Road Life Themes

SPEAKER_08

Let's be honest, there's a lack of community in Van Life on the East Coast.

SPEAKER_10

I had my surgery in January. My first thoughts were, how soon can I hit the road?

SPEAKER_06

So if anybody knows a thing or two about a stinky black tank, it's this guy.

SPEAKER_01

You always gotta be ready to take that next step, even if you're not 100% ready.

JOHN

RV Life, RV Life. RV Life.

RENE

RV Life, RV Life, RV Life Podcast. Hi there. Thanks for joining us for another ride on the RV Life Podcast. I'm Renee. You know, one of the things I love most about this lifestyle is that no two journeys ever look the same. Some people are gathering in big groups and building community. Some are navigating really tough life challenges on the road, and others are reinventing their careers entirely. Yet somehow it all fits under this one umbrella we call RV life.

JIM

That's for sure. Jim here. This episode is another fine example. However, you define RVing, it's not just where you go, it's how you live once you get there. Our guests this time are living proof that life is a journey, not a destination.

RENE

Oh, enough with your Emerson references. But you're right. Today we hear from some folks who are living that journey in some very different ways.

JIM

John starts by talking with Lance Wilkinson about Van Fest. This popular gathering brings van lifers, bus conversions, and all sorts of nomads together to build a real sense of community.

RENE

Then we have a conversation that really stuck with me. We talk with Keith Wadsworth about traveling through cancer treatment and what it takes mentally and practically to keep moving forward when life throws something big at you.

JIM

After that, Rose and Glenn sit down with RV entrepreneur Kelsey Rosendahl. She's busy building a virtual assistant business while traveling full-time and managing the many moving parts of everyday life on the road.

RENE

To wrap things up, Bob talks with Matt Foxcroft from Matt's RV Reviews about his growing brand, his partnership with Blue Compass, and how he's turning influence into real products.

JIM

So wherever you are in your journey, whether you're just getting started or you've been on the road for years, here is something for you. Let's hit it. Kicking things off, we've got some pure RV life energy. And that, spoiler alert, comes back to building community once again.

RENE

Yep, this one's about finding your people. John is on location in a van talking with Lance Wilkinson, who created Vanfest after realizing there just weren't enough gatherings for van owners, especially on the East Coast.

JIM

Vanfest is part festival, part community, part expo, and part come as you are, no matter what you're traveling in.

RENE

That's lots of parts, Jim. Here's John with Lance at Van Fest.

Van Fest And East Coast Community

JOHN

Hey everybody, welcome back to the RV Life Podcast. My name is John DePetro, and I have a special guest, Lance Wilkinson. Lance is the uh promoter for an event that I think is pretty interesting because we do lots of destination features on this show. And um, a new destination feature that you may have an interest in is a Van Fest. Lance, well, let me tell people. Well, Lance, tell people what Van Fest did.

SPEAKER_08

Van Fest is a two-part event. It's a festival and boutique expo celebrating van life, uh, the nomadic and adventure-minded community, which is not limited to just vans. All I say is you have to have the spirit. Spirit.

JOHN

You know, vans, uh, you know, as we look out, we see a lot of Winnebago echoes, we see some Class B's and you know, mostly C's, uh, a lot of self-converted vans. It's certainly part of the R V lifestyle where people um hit the road. Um, tell us about this particular event. We are in um Florida, just south of Kennedy Space Center.

SPEAKER_08

Yes, sir.

JOHN

And uh tell us about this event and how you've put it together.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, we are in Melbourne, Florida. So it's uh the space coast of Florida. So this event um is branded as Van Fest liftoff, just to kind of play on that, have a little fun. A little local flavor. Florida in general. So my wife and I have always come down here ever way before we had a van. We would just do road trips for a week or two in my stick shift corolla, which was great. Were you car camping then? Car camping and hoteling. You'll look at it back in the middle. But car camping before it became a thing. Exactly. Exactly. And it was more of a lay the seats back in the in the Caprius or whatever I had at the time.

JOHN

Um always ahead of your time, though.

SPEAKER_08

Exactly. Trying to be, trying to be. Just to enjoy the weather, really. You know, early snowbirds were both working uh remotely for a while, especially since the pandemic. And it's warm here, and it is not warm in Massachusetts, believe it or not, in the middle of February.

JOHN

And you're saying warm, it's relatively warm, but we're in Florida. We all have winter coats on.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, it's a little chilly for Florida. It's the dip. The three-week dip, which is happened to be a little later in the year this year. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

JOHN

And the seven-inch snow dip in North Carolina and South Carolina.

SPEAKER_08

Well, I got a foot and a half at home.

JOHN

Seven inches is nothing.

SPEAKER_08

But you know, it's uh I feel like when you're in a van or a RV or what have you, and you want to be warm, you want a snowbird, you kind of have two options. You have Florida or Arizona. And it's more of just uh are you a beach person or are you a desert person? The desert, I grew up near the sea. The desert is breathtaking, in my opinion, for three weeks. After that, I'm starting to feel like I need some lotion. I'm very dry. There's mountains watching me everywhere I go. They're beautiful, but they're always there. And we are just predicated to to come down to Florida, I guess.

JOHN

And you're one of the few promoters that I've run into in this industry that actually actually RVs and van life you're a van lifer yourself. Didn't you say you lived in it for four years? Four and a half years full-time. So you you know what it's like. You're not just putting this on to make a buck.

SPEAKER_08

No, absolutely not. If I if I'm putting it on to make a buck, I'm doing it horribly.

JOHN

You're doing it horribly, okay.

SPEAKER_08

But, you know, uh, it's much more than that. You know, uh the world, uh America, the US, the world runs on money, of course, but it's very spiritually and emotionally rewarding doing this, bringing, you know, four or five people together for a long weekend. You know, you see old faces, you see people you haven't seen for a year or two, people you met halfway across the country for the first time in a while. You see a lot of new people coming and looking for that community aspect of it. And that's what it's really all about is the community.

JOHN

And you're in your third year here in Florida. Third year in Florida. You've grown from what to what?

SPEAKER_08

So Van Fest started out as a western type of thing out in Utah. I did one event out in Hurricane, not Hurricane, Hurricane, Utah. They corrected me. And, you know, being East Coast based, we moved it over to the East Coast, a for convenience, let's be honest, because there's a lack of community in van life on the East Coast. It's very much so a western half of the U.S. type of thing where BLM land is every rock. Yeah, you can hit a place you can park for free. And I think people gravitate more towards that because it's simply easier, there's less challenges. But I wanted to bring van life and the culture and the community of it more to the East Coast.

JOHN

Now, you several times now, you've used the word community. And uh when we walked around here before doing this interview, I've noticed people coming up and hugging each other saying, Good to see you again, where you've been, and that type of thing. Yep. So there really is a community within the van inhabitant. It's got to be a better word. And then there's a subset here where you got the school bus feed. The schoolie bus. The schoolies. Talk about them.

SPEAKER_08

They are insane for driving a 40-foot vehicle across the country with a huge turning radius. But that's just my own uh disposition. Such amazing people in the buses. Obviously, it's a lot more family-oriented, right? If you have a couple of kids, uh, even just one, a van is a small space. A van is a small space for one person, let alone two, let alone two plus. So the buses just make sense.

JOHN

These are converted school buses.

SPEAKER_08

Converted school buses, yes, we have everything. I mean, we have a motor coach out there. We have several full-size buses, both uh flat nose and dog nose, I think is the term. Uh and several of the shorties of various lengths, you know, three, four, five window buses uh that are kind of built on most of them are Econo line, I think chassis.

JOHN

Yeah. Now, with the school bus people, they come with young kids.

SPEAKER_08

Yes, a lot of them.

JOHN

Whereas a lot of the van people, the traditional van people, as we look out, uh are either retirees or people that can can work from the road. A special group.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, absolutely. And it's it's interesting because you mentioned people you're hugging and saying, I haven't seen you, what have you? The children, the kids are like that as well. You know, there are a group of of a couple kids in a few across a few different buses that are all friends and they all meet up, their families travel. Hey, we're all gonna go here, we're all gonna go there. This is one of their many stocks on the road. And it's it's very interesting to see them grow up. And you know, I see like, yeah, I'm so bad with names, but I see you grew two feet since last year. What happened, man? You know, it's fun to see them grow up and what an interesting childhood. You know, a lot of them are homeschooled and they have such tangible real-world experience, just a myriad of experience.

JOHN

A lot of the people that we've talked to that we've met on the road in the past 20 years, they uh even those that have gotten off the road for one reason or another say, I'm I'm so glad I did it. And so many other people say, I wish I had done what you did. Um as far as attending this event and the cost factor involved, what is the uh general I keep it on the lower side.

SPEAKER_08

You know, it's a four-night event, I think at the most. It's uh about $180 for all four nights. The people that open their rigs up for the tours during the expo part, which is you know, Saturdays, Sundays, 11 to 5, give a little bit of a discount because they're helping out, you know, bring the event and you know, I I like to say help inspire the next generation of nomads. It's just uh it's a it's a great alternative to a campground. It's a lot more fun, in my opinion, than a campground. And it's just, again, community-based, right? It's not a business that's hey, park here for the night and plug in. And you know, we don't have hookups out here. Most people are fully self-sufficient. We have a few generators.

JOHN

Yeah, and uh, as some of the buses that we saw, they have done some amazing adaptations to them with solar seems to be the big thing that everybody kind of has in common. As I look over at Echo over there, the sign that says Charlie Grace Adventures, we'll have to figure that out. It looks like she's got a lot of solar on top.

SPEAKER_08

She has a lot of many people have a lot of solar. I mean, it's amazing what people fit on a van, let alone a bus. We saw a bus earlier that had 34, 30, 600 watts of solar.

JOHN

Yep.

SPEAKER_08

They had a you know a mini split and a real front door. We have seen buses with full stack, full-size Samsung smart washer and dryers, or LG or whatever the brand was. Yeah. And they lug around 300 gallons of water and they do their own.

JOHN

Now, this is the February event in Florida, February in Florida, and you do another event in Massachusetts. Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_08

Yeah, so uh it's called Escape to the Cape, believe it or not, it's on Cape Cod. Yep, Cape Cod Fairgrounds. It's gonna be August 20th through the 24th this year. This will be the second year, and that is much more of an actual fairgrounds as buildings. We have hookups on site as well. If someone needs hookups or you know wants to run their AC or what have you, uh we have showers, but it's a very similar vibe, very similar goal is community and bringing everyone together.

JOHN

And uh, how about a website that people can uh find out more about that?

SPEAKER_08

VanfestUSA.com.

JOHN

Either way, you get both of the uh both of the build both of the events.

SPEAKER_08

Yes. Links on both of those, uh, social media is all at VanFest USA across any part.

JOHN

Lance, we want to thank you so much. I know you're trying to cash, not cash in, you're trying to check in people that are already registered and uh to let our audience know that an interesting destination for their next camping adventure, regardless of what type of unit that they have, can be a festival of like-minded van people or V people, whether it's class A's, B's, C's, a certain brand, have the spirit. Yep, yep. Yep. Yeah, everybody's got a dog. But everybody has I've seen nobody with one dog. They all have two and three dogs.

SPEAKER_08

There's a Van Ferret or a bus ferret. And I saw a video on him online last night. He's just playing and hanging out and living his best life.

JOHN

There we go. You are listening to the RV Life podcast.

RENE

I love that idea of have the spirit, not just the rig.

JIM

Yeah, that spirit really stands out. Better than any clicky convergence. Vanfest takes the pressure off and makes it more about the people than the equipment.

RENE

You can hear it in heart. The way Lance talks about it. It's not just an event, it's a reunion for a lot of those folks. Our next conversation shifts gears quite a bit, but in a really meaningful way.

JIM

Yeah. This is one of those talks where you just have to sit back and soak it in. It may hit home for a lot of folks too. It did for me.

Traveling Through Cancer Treatment

RENE

We sat down with Keith Wadsworth, who didn't even plan to be an RVer at first. Then a cancer diagnosis changed everything. Instead of slowing down, he chose to get out there on the open road.

JIM

And what's remarkable is not just that he keeps traveling, it's how he's figured out all the logistics of doing what he loves while managing serious treatments.

RENE

There's a lot here about mindset, and it's very real. Practical advice for anyone dealing with health challenges on the road.

JIM

Here's our conversation with Keith, author of Prostate Cancer, Sheep or Wolf. And yeah, we get into what that means. Keith, nice to meet you. Thank you so much for joining us. Jim and Renee, thank you for having me.

RENE

Oh, you bet. Well, ever since I read about you in Escape Ease magazine, I said we need to talk to him because there we often talk to people who are hesitant to travel because they're dealing with some kind of chronic health condition. So I thought, oh, Keith is perfect. We're gonna we're gonna show people what is totally possible. But before we start talking about that, let's talk about your RV life. What made you want to start RVing in the first place?

SPEAKER_10

Near-death experience. The the diagnosis of having an aggressive cancer. I I had no plans of RVing. In fact, I didn't care for RVers. I I was a camp out of the back of the car kind of guy.

RENE

Uh-huh. So were we. Totally get it.

SPEAKER_10

And I just, and you're you you guys are slow up the hills and you take a lot of room and you make noise. You sweep your tarps. You sweep your tarps, all of those things. And you lay this big tarp out and you bring your chairs out and you bring your wines out. And I'm trying to figure out how to find ice. But I was back in 2015, I was living and working in England, and I was diagnosed with metastatic prostate cancer. So I spent a year trying to decide how to treat the disease. And then I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. And I made a decision that I wanted to get back to the mountains. I didn't, my outlook wasn't horrible, but it wasn't the best. And some very longtime friends of mine, John and Patty, they were into their 13th year of RVing. They go out about seven, eight months out of the year. So they talked to me and they talked me into it. And I said, Well, my life's changing again, so why not? And I got to go out with them from Texas to Montana and back. We took eight months, and I got 13 years of R Ving experience in one summer.

RENE

That's a smart thing to do. I like that. You have a little guide, you have good friends with you, and it's good medicine.

SPEAKER_10

Good medicine, good friends. They knew where we were going. We mapped it out. They taught me so much. And I got hooked. I did not know what I would be doing the next year, but I got hooked on RV. And so for the next few years, I would be out about eight or nine months, and then I wintered in Europe.

RENE

Oh, okay. Smart. I I know lots of people fly south for winter. I didn't realize they fly east. I like that.

SPEAKER_10

I went to the cold. I went to the cold. I parked the RV and storage down here in Texas, nice air-conditioned storage, and I moved uh to the cold country of Europe for the winter. I missed Europe and I love skiing over there and traveling. And you can get to southern Spain and southern France in the wintertime. It's really quite nice. And that ended in 2020 when all of our lives took a big change. And so I then became a full-timer. I have not been back, and I'm in my RV 12 months out of the year now since 2020.

JIM

So you've obviously been traveling quite a while now. I'll ask about the elephant in the room. How is the cancer? How are you doing? What's the prognosis these days?

SPEAKER_10

I am grateful beyond words. I have no other way to describe it. I have two cancers now. The prostate cancer was diagnosed back in 2015. And a couple years ago, I found myself having metastatic melanoma. It had gone into my liver. So I have two spreading cancers. They are not detectable at this time. It's a medical term. There's no evidence of disease. I've had a full metabolic response on both cancers to the treatments. Keep a very close watch. I don't presume I'm cured. I think that's a tough word to use with cancer, particularly once it has spread. But we've got them in check on the melanoma side. I'm very fortunate. And fingers are crossed, the outlook is good. I stay very physically active. Just this morning I was wrapping up with my trainer. I'm getting ready to head out on the road this weekend to head out west. So I've been working out three days a week with a trainer, and I'm still building muscle. So I figure if you're building muscle, you have to be healthy.

JIM

Well, congratulations. You're clearly doing something right there. And you wrote a book and you have a website that talks about the idea of being a sheep or a wolf when facing cancer. Um, I presume that means like how you react because you don't have control over the situation. Do you have a control over how you react to it? So, what does being a sheep or a wolf mean? What is that mindset in terms of you know coping with your diagnosis? Question.

SPEAKER_10

Um When you face cancer, you hear two things. You hear what is the stage of the cancer and you hear survivability statistics. That's the focus. It's it could be extremely technical. We could be stage one, two, three, or four. There are people with stage four that don't die from it. And there's people who are found to have stage one and then very suddenly they're dead. So to simplify the process and to frame the cancer's aggressive aggressiveness, and I thought of do I have a wolf in sheep's clothing? was my first thought. How aggressive is this cancer? So I came up with this idea of a docile to mean sheep or wolves. Wolves are wolves. I like to watch wolves up in the mountains. Wolves are aggressive, dangerous, they are aggressive carnivores. Wolves can be cute and fuzzy and excuse me, sheep can be cute and fuzzy and look good. Or sheep can be mean, they can ram your car. You get into an area of wild sheep and they can buck it right at your car. So I came up with that. It makes for a great illustration for the book cover, because I did a thing with half a sheep's head, half a wolf's head, and those were the prostate gland underneath the ureter. So that's what I came up with and it made it easy for me. And then I came up with for my own, is the is the animals so we thought I had a mean sheep, is what we determined, rather than give it all of its codes and medical terms. And then is it still in the barn? Is it in the barnyard or is it out on the highway? And my both of my cancer, my prostate cancer made it to the barnyard, and the melanoma got out on the highway. So the melanoma is a woof, no question. It's a wonderful analogy there that I'm picturing.

RENE

Yeah. So you're developing this mindset as you get your diagnosis, and then you bring travel um and RV into the situation. It seems like a lot to deal with at one time. I I don't know how I'd handle that. How did you wrap your head around the illness and traveling at the same time? And um, did some people did you get any pushback from people? I mean, because I know a lot of people might want to just retreat and not go anywhere. I mean, what made you decide to do the opposite?

SPEAKER_10

Yeah, uh, well, I'm crazy sometimes, I think. Uh on the RVing side, again, back to my friends John and Patty, I had them. So I was shopping and couldn't find anything I wanted in Texas. Kind of a strange thing. There's lots of RVs here, but Phoenix and Tucson are a Mecca for used RVs, mostly in dry temperatures. So John went with me and we bought my RV together, my fifth wheel. And we took a week to get back to Austin, Texas. And so John hooked it up for me and showed it all to me. It was just him and I. We had no other distractions, no pets, no, and so that got me quite conf confident pulling the RV. And then when we headed out, I followed them all the way to Montana. So that's how I was able to take that on without being overwhelmed. And when things would break, I had a water pump go out the first year. John helped me with that. He knew where it was, et cetera, et cetera. On the medical side, massive pushback. That is not easy. Um I had my surgery in January, and my first thoughts were, how soon can I hit the road? And the doctor's like, What? He says, you know, we've got to do a lot of checking and blood work for the next year. And I said, I'm leaving. I'm sorry, we gotta have to work this out. So I figured out it was fairly easy to get blood work on the road, Quest and or Lab Corp labs are everywhere. Uh you may have to drive a long way, but you can get them. And at that time, my doctor was willing to write orders for me to get the test on the road. That's one of the most difficult hurdles, is well, a doctor support out-of-house investigations and treatments because they're a business. Uh but I just went. I had to go. I had to get out on the road. I would have lost my mind, I think otherwise.

JIM

You may have just answered it with that statement there, but you you you first had a very instant response. Okay, great, but I'm gonna hit the road. How long till I can hit the road? Did that just come naturally? Was it just your immediate response, or what helped with that mental shift to go out and continue your adventures?

SPEAKER_10

I love to travel. I have traveled since my high school years. I was gone all of my summers in high school. I spent a summer in Tennessee and when they were with a group called the Youth Conservation Corps, I was an exchange student. And it was their obligation to fly me back to Southern California. And I asked for a bus ticket. And they said, Great. And they said, Here's your Ameripass. And I said, Well, what's an Ameripass? And they said, You have four weeks to get home. You can go anywhere you want. Change your destination. And I took four weeks to get home. And then uh after I did my little book, the very first interview I had, the article came out about me being a nomad. And I went back and talked to the writer of the article. And I said, I'm not a nomad. You know, that's the Vikings or something. He says, No. He says, I interviewed you and you're a nomad, maybe a modern-day nomad. So it's what I like to do. I traveled always in my business. I like to go places. So that was easy. And I did not want to be sequestered at home with a metastatic disease that we did not know what the outcome was going to be.

RENE

Mm-hmm. You know, your story reminds me a lot of a couple of friends of ours where she was diagnosed with a type of cancer, a blood cancer that was very treatable at first, and they were already full-timers. And then it it got under control, everything was fine. They almost practically forgot about it. And about 10 years later, it came back and she needed some very extensive care. Because they were full-timers, they were able to travel to wherever the best care was that they could afford. And I really saw how much you can benefit when you are a full-timer and you're able to take your house with you and go get care somewhere. How did you balance the uh the fact that you needed the care other than, you know, labs? I mean, did you have Medicare at the time or private or employer-sponsored health care? Because I know it's it can get really complicated when you're traveling.

SPEAKER_10

It does get complicated. There's no question about that. In the early years, I was on private health care. Fortunately, I had a PPO that changed at the time of when we got the Affordable Care Act, which was when I wanted to do my first treatment. Things changed, so it became a new learning curve on which doctors I could work with. But my so I had surgery, and then it was a waiting game. We had to see how much of the cancer was left, and we had to give it some time. So my surgeon, a urologist, he was very happy to write my orders for imaging and lab work. And so I could get all of that on the road. And then I knew I would come back in the fall and we would reassess. So that part was relatively easy. I then had my second treatment, which was radiation, and I did that in Austin, and then I went back out on the road again. And again, it was a wait and see scenario where we're doing blood work and imbeging. Then I did my third treatment for the prostate cancer. I actually went over to Europe for that. That was a surgery and came back and hit the road again. And the European doctor's like, well, they're not going to take my orders in the U.S. So I had to find the doctor to write orders for me in the U.S. So to do a little bit of doctor shopping. But I got that and went back out on the road again. And then I was taking a drug, but I was able to pick that up at a pharmacist. I got the drug that I wanted. That took some time negotiating with the doctors. They had something in mind. They wanted me to come in every month for my injections, and I said, no, I want this pill on the road. And they finally acquiesced and I got what I wanted. And so that worked out. The melanoma treatment is much more complicated. That is immunotherapy or think of chemotherapy. And that's an infusion every 28 days. No less than that. It can go longer, but they have to wait at least 28 days. That's more complicated because one, you have to do labs days to a week before that to make sure you're healthy enough to get the next treatment. And then you have to have the set time to come into the center. And I'm like, nope, I'm not doing this. And we were talking initially of 24 treatments, essentially two years. And I said, I'm going on the road. We don't have a choice here. We have to work this out. And I was fortunate enough that the primary oncologist that I see supports it. So he writes his orders, and I go find lab centers that will do the infusion. Many say no. Many say no. They say, Well, we want you to see our doctors. We want you to do all your lab work here. They want the revenue. But it's like, no, we're not doing that. I don't need to see another doctor. I don't know that that'd be approved by insurance. I'm already seeing two oncologists. Uh, the second one that I see that is second opinion, they do nothing out of house. They will not write an order for anything out of house. So you either have to be with them or not be treated by them. So I find centers. My best one is up in Utah. Secondary is in Idaho. Arizona was a complete shutdown on me. And I realized it's the snowbirds. And I mean nothing wrong with that. But the snowbirds come in and they push the medical facilities to maximum capacity. And they're like, so you want to drop in here for a blood test and leave. And we got to do all the paperwork. Or you want to come in for one imaging and leave. Or you want to drop in for a chemotherapy infusion and leave? We're not doing that. So I find remote facilities. And they are very capable and very good. Where I get my infusions in Utah is three hours south of Salt Lake City, kind of in the middle of nowhere, a town called Richfield. And they're wonderful and they're terrific. And one up in Idaho in Idaho Falls. So it's it's challenging. But you learn to talk to the doctors, do you learn to talk to the nurses? You learn to be extremely efficient. You cannot waste their time at all because they're they're on the margin of doing this for you anyhow. Yeah.

RENE

Um that kind of leads into Jim's uh Jim's question about Well, you're I'm I'm sure you're not alone in a situation.

JIM

I'm sure there's others out there that are dealing with the health challenges and traveling and want to keep traveling, and you've clearly nailed down some of these logistics. So I wonder what are some of the practical things other RVers with health challenges should think about when heading on the road or when you know becoming ill on the road? Is it all about finding that unicorn doctor that's going to work with you in your lifestyle? Or are there other practical things people should be paying attention to when it comes to the logistics of where you need to get this stuff done and get the medications and stuff?

SPEAKER_10

Okay. Um I've never needed an ER in an emergency room. But from what I've observed and what I've seen, ER is ER. If you go to an emergency room, you will be taken care of. So these are non-emergency situations. You have to find the right doctor at both ends, at the end to write your orders and then at the end to deliver. Now it can be both. So I was close last year. I ran into some difficulties with my primary oncologist. He sold his practice. Oh. And the new practice wasn't fond of what I was doing. So now I'm having to go find a new oncologist. But I didn't have to do that. We got it worked out. But the key is at both ends who's writing the orders and who's delivering the service. I went to one facility to get the service, the immunotherapy, again, call it chemotherapy if you're not familiar with immunotherapy. And they're like, well, we could probably do it, but we got to have all this information. We need proof of your doctor's medical license. And I just said, We're not doing this. These are standing orders, they're good orders. This is not a painkiller that I'm abusing. Nobody volunteers to have chemotherapy. Right. It's not recreational. It's not recreational. And so I'm not doing this. You obviously don't want me to come in here. You're too busy. You don't want the hassles. You have to go knock on doors. And I knock on doors. I but I I have a spiel down. I have my elevator pitch. I know I'm I have a great smile. I'm very polite. I'm very humble. And I'm not putting on an act, but I know that they don't want me to be difficult. And we all know what it's like to be a difficult patient, or we've seen difficult patients. You have everything with you you need. You can't forget your driver's license back in your RV four hours away. You have to have everything. I carry massive medical records and I know where they are. I've got them labeled. I can pull them out very, very fast when they ask. And I have a doctor and a nurse who will cooperate with me. But again, I'm very good with them and I don't waste their time. So the primary key is the doctor, plus your willingness, Jim, to go into a facility you've never been in.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_10

So you're gonna so in this case, when you're getting immunotherapy or chemo, this is a serious drug being put into your body, and you don't know who these people are. It's a different sense of adventure. It's a different sense of adventure, but they're they're licensed, they're trained, they're skilled. It's no different. When I I've had two surgeries in Europe, it's no different. Just trust them because they're highly skilled. I have found is a tip, nurse practitioners and PAs in remote clinics are brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Very helpful.

RENE

It is so helpful, Keith. It's so it sounds like you really need to be organized and walk into a situation with a really good attitude, but persuasive.

SPEAKER_10

Yes, you you have to be persuasive. Uh the word that I use is I must be resolute, you know, purposeful, unwavering. So I'll walk into a chemo center for my appointment. I walk in in my running clothes, I look fit, I look healthy, I do not look like I have cancer. And they will say, Well, who are you here to support? And I'll say, Well, me. You know, I'm the patient. Well, who's your driver? Who's with you? Sometimes I'm alone. I say, I'm fine by myself. I do this all the time. I I could handle this, but I have to answer their questions very directly, or they'll, if they get nervous, then things change. So I go in with tremendous confidence. And I have it. It's not actually that difficult. You know, the the the chemotherapy or the emotion immunotherapies, it's a needle stick. It's all it is. And you sit there for 20, 30 minutes why it drips uh out of the IV bag. Oh, quick, a quick joke. So in the old campgrounds, remember the old Coleman lanterns that we hung on on the hooks? So I had my grandkids out a couple years ago and they said, What are those, grandpa? And I said, Oh, those are for infusion bags and drip bags for us old people. Uh so it's it's it is, it's, you have to be good at doing it. Uh, it requires the utmost of attention to detail, but it is doable. That's the saying, because I've proven it. Uh, I didn't have a YouTube video to go watch or a book to read, but it's doable. It just takes some time. But I would rather leave the chemo center and go to my campfire than go to my house and be depressed. Good point.

RENE

Oh, Keith. You know what? People are so lucky to have your wisdom and your book, and we're so honored to have you here. This has been really fun talking to you about a very serious topic that scares all of us. And you've proven that it's all about the right mindset and attitude. And we can't thank you enough. Thank you so much for being here.

JIM

Well, Renee, you're very welcome. Thank you for helping me. Well, that's one of those conversations you don't soon forget.

RENE

Right. There's something about the way Keith approaches life on the road that just feels so grounded and so real.

JIM

He's not ignoring the difficulty, but he's also not letting it define how he lives.

RENE

That's something a lot of us out there need to hear.

Building A Virtual Assistant Business

JIM

Now, let's shift into something a lot of people are thinking about right now: working on the road.

RENE

Or at least dreaming about it.

JIM

Exactly. Rosam Glenn talked with Kelsey Rosendahl. She's right in the middle of building her own business that actually fits her lifestyle.

RENE

She might just be getting started, but I like how we get to hear what it's like in the early stages. She's figuring it out in real time, dealing with uncertainty and learning as she goes.

JIM

This is a really honest look at what it takes to make that transition so many out there may be putting off right now.

RENE

So, right now, here's Rosen Glenn with Kelsey.

ROSE

Hi, Kelsey. It is so great to meet you. Welcome to the show. We are really excited to hear about your journey, especially because you're in those early stages of building your virtual assistant business. So, for anyone listening who may not be familiar, what exactly is a virtual assistant and how do businesses typically use one?

SPEAKER_01

Hi, yes. So my name is Kelsey Rosendahl. I am the founder of the Rosendahl company. I am a virtual assistant specializing in operational support. So I come in and I help overwhelmed business owners get out of the weeds of that back in behind the scenes type of admin work and back to the work that they actually love doing.

ROSE

That is so helpful.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

GLYNN

It is. And it's so needed.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

GLYNN

So before this, you worked with like a behemoth corporation, correct?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, I did.

GLYNN

And during that time, what happened that made you say, okay, it's time to do this on my own?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So um a little backstory here. So I spent years working as a physical therapist assistant first. And then I transitioned into a remote corporate job in 2023, because that's when we started full-time RV living, and I became a senior workers' comp adjuster. So the sole reason that I transitioned out of physical therapy was because this job was remote and I was given permission to take it on the road. So my career path really looked good and stable on paper, but living full-time RV life outside of work, it was completely different than the typical setup. So my partner is a travel physical therapist. We live full-time in our RV and stay in locations from anywhere from three to nine months at a time. And additionally, we became full-time caregivers this past year unexpectedly. So, with that, the moment that really clicked for me in that I need to do something was when my corporate jobs uh issued a return to office mandate, not only requiring one day a week, but three days a week. And so that made it very difficult. And for that moment, and you know, a lot of people were like, okay, I'll just commute again. But for us, it meant trying to force this very intentional life back into something that just didn't fit anymore. So I remember thinking to myself, I can make, I can try to make our life revolve around my job and stay frustrated with it all of the time because of it, or I can build something that actually supports the life that we chose on purpose. So that's kind of what I did. I decided to stop doing things for corporate America and start doing it for myself and my family instead.

GLYNN

Wise move. Yes. The entrepreneurial spirit goes far. Uh and making that decision, what do you think? Do you were you was it more exciting for you or is it more terrifying to take that step?

SPEAKER_01

Uh definitely both. Uh definitely it comes with a level of fear, you know, going from the stable, consistent paycheck to something that, you know, the the unknown of going into, well, we're gonna give this a shot. We're gonna give it 100%, and it's just gonna be something, you know, that you always gotta be ready to take that next step, even if you're not 100% ready. And so it's definitely keeping the faith in myself and knowing that I have the skills and the value to offer to others out there.

ROSE

Right. Very good. So a lot of people listening they dream about working while traveling, but aren't sure how it actually works. How did you design your business then so it truly fits your lifestyle?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, definitely a lot of research, a lot of YouTubing, of finding kind of what avenue I really wanted to go down. And virtual assistants kind of fit that for me because the two biggest factors were being fully remote and having flexibility. So looking at how I wanted my business to function, I knew that it needed to truly function from anywhere. It couldn't be, you know, occasionally remote where I had the option, or you know, they had the option of saying, hey, you need to come into office. And that I also, with a three-year-old being at home now, I needed flexibility where I can't always work those traditional, traditional business hours that people do like you to work. So I needed to do something that I could do asynchronously for my clients or like behind the scenes for my clients. So designing my business around RB life really meant focusing on operational support. It's that organizing the systems, managing back-end tasks, and helping things run smoothly, because that kind of work can be done from anywhere at any time if you have a laptop, a laptop, and uh internet connection.

GLYNN

Can you give us some examples of some of this backend work you do?

SPEAKER_01

You know, email management is a big one that for back and forth, just the constant um communication that comes in every single day. Calendar management, a lot of data entry. I'm a lot of general admin tasks that just take up so much time for these business owners where they can't really focus on any type of revenue generating income tasks or anything that they can actually start to help scale them. The things that are just the mundane ju-do list that they have to do every single day.

GLYNN

For sure. Now, some of these businesses, I imagine if they're really big, they have admin for this. Yes. And if they're really small, they can't afford you. Right. Yes. How do you zero in and which businesses to market to?

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely. I mean, that's that's part of the game, you know, of finding the people that have the not only the experience and the income to be able to get to that point where they do need an assistant. But it just really is just going out and having conversations with people, figuring out where they're at in their business. You know, the people that are just starting out, it's still great to nurture that relationship and connect with them and just know, you know, later on that might come down the road when they do need that help. So it's really, it's just it's a filtering process of, okay, I have all these people that I want to talk to, but really figuring out which ones have been in business long enough and have the income to be able to need the support on the back end.

GLYNN

Sure. Is there a way you can convince them? Because I wish when we had owned our business that I had started with someone as an administrator sooner, because it would have freed up time for the business owner to do what is most important. Right. Sell.

SPEAKER_01

So I think yeah, I think the biggest thing for um just approving my value essentially. So, you know, not only just saying, hey, I'll I can take these tasks off your plate, but is, you know, letting the business owner think of if I take 10 hours back from you doing these tasks, what could you do in those 10 hours that would help you scale your business? You know, what what can you do with 10 to 10 to even 40 hours a month that you're spending on these tasks? How can that absolutely help you grow in the future?

GLYNN

Exactly. That's more valuable than so many small business owners realize.

ROSE

Yeah. So how do you find these businesses? How do you kind of zero in on which ones to market to?

SPEAKER_01

Right now, it's a lot of personal outreach, reaching out to just my own network in my own community, seeing any of the small business owners they need any help. And then I'm also really big on LinkedIn and Facebook groups. And a lot of the entrepreneur groups, that's where I find a lot of people are like, oh yeah, this is definitely something that I can look into. And if it's not a right now, it could be a maybe in the future. So again, just really just building those relationships and nurturing those throughout.

GLYNN

Yeah, so important. So you acquire most of your leads from that social media aspect, correct?

SPEAKER_01

At this point, yes. I also have started doing some in-person networking. So I go to Chamber of Commerce events and then also anything that you find on Facebook or Eventbrite, anything of that nature, or doing any type of mixers, just to find the variety, you know, not really, I'm not trying, I'm still in the building phase. So not trying to niche down quite yet, but just really trying to see where my services can be most valuable to these business owners.

GLYNN

I'm glad you said that because I think that the face-to-face aspect is going to be the most important way that we generate business, anyone going forward.

SPEAKER_01

Right. You know, after the pandemic, everything did go really remote and a lot virtually, but it's definitely becoming a trend now that people are really wanting that face-to-face, the actual relationship building and not just somebody behind a screen.

ROSE

What are maybe some of the biggest operational problems you see entrepreneurs kind of struggling with?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, with the calls and the people that I've been talking to lately, there definitely are a few patterns that have been coming up. And the first is really that everything kind of lives in the business owner's head. So they have a certain way that they like to do things and they don't have a system or a process kind of written out quite yet. So it's not clear, and they're just trying to remember everything from one in their head, or they have just a little written sticky note right by their work setup that they just kind of go off of. So that's really where things kind of start slipping through the cracks, and you always have that feeling or that thought of, I know I'm forgetting something, but I don't really kind of know what that is. Um, second thing that I see a lot is disconnected tools and systems. So a lot of these business owners are using great platforms, but nothing's really working together efficiently. So instead of simplifying their workflow, it ends up creating more confusion and a lot more manual work, which, you know, as a small business owner, that doesn't fly because you're looking to be more efficient, not more inefficient. And then the last one that I've been seeing a lot is just being in a constant reactive mode. So answering emails as they come in, handling problems as they pop up and putting out fires all day. So there's really no structure behind it. So it feels pretty chaotic. So what I've really found and starting to learn. Is that even by just bringing a little bit of structure and organization to those areas can really change how a business feels to actually run it.

ROSE

Right. And so maybe you can give the listeners a simple like system or habit that they could implement this week to feel more organized.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. So my first thing, you know, is email management. You want a time block. So I do this in my corporate job too, actually. And that's where I'm kind of starting to bring this into my own business is I don't start off with my email right away because email is very stressful. And thinking of how many things can go wrong in email, I start with a very simple, okay, here's a task of three things that I need to get done first. I do those three things, and then I get in more into more of the email management, the filtering, going through, responding to people as I need to, um, making sure that you start with tasks that you know you can complete first. So if anything else gets off throughout the day, you don't have to worry about having to finish those three tasks after that.

GLYNN

Great advice. Clearly, there were some life changes that forced you into this. Do you think you would have done this if those life changes hadn't happened? Would you would you force yourself to take on a business like this or start a business like this?

SPEAKER_01

I think eventually, yes. But I think just the way that life happened and the circumstances that all kind of laid out and aligned the way that they have this past year really was a great motivator to get to that point. I actually had started thinking about starting my business about a year ago and just kind of sat on it, you know, of thinking of, oh, this would be great, you know, hypothetical of, yeah, I want to be able to do in this, but you know, still having the comfort of that corporate job, of having the stable income, of having the benefits, everything like that. So I think eventually, once I quote unquote felt ready, I would have really jumped into it. But it this has really forced me to be very intentional with starting my business and knowing that the outcome is going to be better than you know any risk that I take.

GLYNN

Yes. And you have a buffer of savings. You have yourself in a situation where you can, you can, you can grind without much income initially.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. And thankfully I do have a partner who, you know, has a very great job as well. And so that helps me have a little bit more of leeway to be able to do what I need to flexibly and remotely, as well as caregiving full-time. So it's definitely, you know, you I have four cats, I have a toddler, and I'm still trying to build this business in in the middle of all that. So it is chaotic, but carving out those time blocks and really being intentional in that time that you have is highly important to me.

GLYNN

And that's a wise move. And yes, carve out the time blocks. And I think what's really important for the listeners to understand, and I think most of them do understand this, is that when you start something like this, you're not going to make money instantly. Right. It's going to take a lot of work with no income. Yes. And some forget that.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, and that's why it's so important to have that why and you know, to have that purpose behind it. Because there, I mean, even I'm in the building stages, but there's been those imposter syndrome that comes up of, can I really do this? You know, is this something that is actually going to benefit me in the future? And I just keep thinking, yes, you know, being intentional. This is part of our lifestyle. We want to live this lifestyle. So it I have no choice but to continue to go.

GLYNN

Isn't it amazing how so many of us do feel that imposter syndrome, even though we know very well we're capable of?

SPEAKER_01

Right. And it is it's and it's always there.

ROSE

It's always looming in the back of your head. Yeah, that's that's definitely a challenge. And speaking of challenges, did you have anything in particular that was kind of roadblocky in the beginning or any things that popped up?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think for me, it really is the kind of I don't want to come across salesy. I don't want to come across as self-promoting myself, but also I know that I have value and I have this ability to come in and help these business owners. And so trying to just tweak my mindset and thinking, okay, it's not me trying to sell everybody. It's to come in to help and support these business owners who really do need the help and support. And I love to help people. So going from that type of shift in mindset has been, is been great for me because now, you know, as I'm going out, I'm marketing myself. It's not of, oh, I don't, you know, I want you to take your have my services, get me for my services. It's more of I want to help you. And this is how I can help you.

ROSE

Right. What you can do for them, what problems you can help solve. Absolutely. Very important. So many of our listeners are running a business on the road or they're dreaming about it, right? So any other advice that you would give someone who wants to start something but feels overwhelmed about where to begin.

SPEAKER_01

Sure, absolutely. So I think we kind of already touched on it, but the biggest thing for me was don't wait until you have everything perfect and everything figured out because I got stuck there and I know a lot of other people get stuck there. So really, it's the biggest thing is you don't need to have that perfect business plan or a perfect offer. You just need to have the effort and a starting point and willingness to figure it out as you go. So if you can focus on building something that is that is flexible and rooted in that real value where you know that you can help people, the rest will start to come together.

GLYNN

Kelsey, that that is a common theme that we keep hearing when we interview people. It should be a very powerful takeaway here.

ROSE

Yes. So, okay, what's the first step they should take this week?

SPEAKER_01

This week is, I think the biggest thing you can think of is what skills do you have that you could actually offer somebody? So really start to think of what do people already come to me for help with and what problems do I really know how to solve? I mean, if you have a problem that you can solve, you can make a business out of it.

ROSE

True.

SPEAKER_01

Very true.

GLYNN

Very true. So looking ahead, what are you most excited about as you grow your business and live this life, this RV lifestyle with the nephew and bringing all of this together?

SPEAKER_01

For sure. I think definitely one of the things I'm most excited about is finally, finally, finally building something that actually fits our lifestyle instead of competing with it. Because it has been three years of just battling the circumstances of needing to be in office, not needing to be in office, and you know, the back and forth. So something that I can fully and authentically be able to work remotely at and be flexible within that is just the most amazing thing that I think I've ever done for myself. And I'm so I'm really excited about that. Um, but beyond that, I think I'm also excited for what I can bring to my clients and how I can serve them. So the moment that business owners really do realize that they don't have to carry it all themselves and that they can actually start enjoying their business again instead of really drowning in it, that's kind of what drives me and what makes me super excited. Man.

ROSE

That is exciting.

GLYNN

And you know, you you made a really strong statement there. Build your business around your lifestyle. And isn't that what the RV lifestyle and living on the road is totally about?

ROSE

Yes, absolutely. I've got one little extra tidbit question here for us. So, what's one tool or app or system you couldn't run your business without?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, right now it's Google. I use Google for absolutely everything, whether that be Gmail, that would be the scheduler, that would be, you know, um, the calendar, absolutely everything for me runs through Google. So it keeps my life on track. And so I think that would be a great place for anybody to really start is to know that you have this hub where everything can be centralized and know that you have everything that comes out of it. And so being able to check that daily of where I am, what I need to do, what's on my to-do list, my task, my calendar, everything. It's definitely Google.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

We do the same thing. Nice. Google. Yep.

ROSE

All right. Before we wrap up here, is there anything that we didn't talk about that you think we should have talked about today?

SPEAKER_01

I don't think so. I think this has been an amazing conversation. I really appreciate you offering and inviting me to come on.

ROSE

That's awesome. I agree. So, what is the best way for listeners to connect with you and learn more about what you're building?

SPEAKER_01

Yes, so I am on socials on Facebook at the Rosendahl Company, and I'm also on LinkedIn under my name, Kelsey Rosendahl. Um, there you can find my email to get in in touch with me.

GLYNN

Can you spell that for us?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. So first name, Kelsey K-E-L-S-I-E. Last name is Rosendahl, R-O-Z-E-N-D A-A-L. And my company is the Rosendal Company.

ROSE

Excellent. Beautiful.

SPEAKER_01

Thank you, Kelsey. Thank you.

ROSE

Thank you so much for joining us today. This has been fun. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

RENE

Well, that sure brought back memories to me. Oh, yeah. Like the feeling of starting something new and not quite knowing how it's all going to work out, but doing it anyway.

JIM

That's a big leap for a lot of people.

RENE

It is. And I think hearing someone in that phase makes it feel a little more doable. All right, let's wrap things up with a look at what's happening in the RV industry.

Turning RV Reviews Into Products

JIM

Bob sits down with Matt Foxcroft. If you spend any time online watching RV videos, you've probably come across his content.

RENE

He's built a massive following, and now he's taking that and turning it into a full product line that's showing up in major retailers.

JIM

It's a really interesting look at how influence and business are coming together in the RV space.

RENE

Here's Bob with the creator of Matt's RV Reviews.

BOB

All right, Matt Foxcroft is in the studio. And Matt, it's great to see you. Uh you've you've blazed a trail with your Matt's RV reviews and great reviews on trailers, fifth wheels, motorhomes. Who are you who are you doing it for now?

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, as of January 1st, we partnered with Blue Compass.

BOB

Sir Yeah, I thought that's a great, uh, great relationship, great company. John Ferrando has built a uh a powerhouse company. And so how many how many reviews do you do a week? I mean, it it seems like they're all over the place.

SPEAKER_06

Yeah, yeah. So um I do I do a video every other day, but once we film that video, we film it two times, and then we publish that video about four times. So we'll make one full-length YouTube video and we'll also publish that full-length video. Actually, uh, I think we published we filmed two videos and we published it six times. Because we'll publish the full-length video on YouTube, Facebook, and TikTok, but then we'll also do the short format video on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Okay, so we make two videos and we publish it seven times. How do you keep track of all this activity?

BOB

That's fantastic. So along the way, all of a sudden we start seeing testimonials and product introductions for something called liquefied. So this is, I mean, that has also just taken off like a rocket. But did did somebody come to you with the idea, or was this another brainstorm that uh you said, you know, I think I can do this too?

SPEAKER_06

It was all Matt Foxroffed experiment. So if anybody knows a thing or two about a stinky black tank, it's this guy. I want to get that uh out the way. No, but um no, so it was back in like 2022, and um I have all these amazing sponsors of the show. You know, Lippert was a sponsor, Brooklyn Betting, you know, Waggle, RV Life, all these amazing sponsors. And uh I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, man, you know, I'm making all these people a ton of money because they're paying me money, which is fantastic. I'm like, we need to have our own business, right? Long story short, I was gonna start surge protectors. Okay. Um, I found the people that made Power Watchdog, and I was literally just gonna make the Max RV reviews version. And uh, and then I'm all like, what do I know about surge protectors? I don't know anything about a surge protector, I don't know AC, DC, or BC or any of that stuff. And so I then also thought of my fellow YouTubers, and I thought of JD from Big Truck Big R V. If you're familiar with JD, he is very smart, right? I would buy my surge protector based off of his recommendations, I wouldn't buy it based off of my recommendations, right? Or my or mine either. And it and it's not and it's not to hurt your mind's feelings. It's I would trust if I wanted to know what type of clam chowder to get eat, I would ask Bob, right? You know, and so I'm all like, man, what would people trust me over JD? What would they trust my opinion over Bob's, right? Yeah, and then I'm like, toilets, and then I'm like, how do you even make a toilet? And then about 10 minutes later it hit me it was toilet chemical. And so, you know, well, we uh we reached out to some co-manufacturers, you know, tested out all the best toilet chemicals in the industry, and that's how liquefied was made.

BOB

So you you are the black tank expert now, yes, sir. But you've added to the product line the now, you've expanded. So, what are some of the other products in in the are they all labeled liquefied?

SPEAKER_06

No, so we've just expanded to Liquashine, okay? Which is an RV wash and wax, a black streak remover, a bulgant tar remover, and a roof cleaner. Okay, so Bob, this is going out to the RV industry, folks. Oh yeah. This is going out to this is going out to the world. Okay, okay. Liquine. See, Bob, we we we should have done a briefing because I always get myself in trouble, but it's okay. Was a test. Are we as liquefied, are we the toilet people, right? Yeah. Who, you know, is only gonna focus on black tanks and you know, really being the toilet guy, which again, nothing's wrong with that. We can make a fantastic business, or are we a platform business that has the army of Mats RV reviews, our army of influencers, and we can launch any product in the world, any aftermarket RV product, and we can do it better than everybody who's doing it now. And we had a very, very great start with Liquashine. And let me just tell you, Liquify and Liquashine is just the beginning. Okay. You're gonna see some some big, big articles coming out in the next few weeks. We're going, we're going after everybody big. You won't say, okay, here's my prediction. You ready for this? Yeah. This time, April 7th, next year, you will not say Camco, Patrick Industries, Lippert, Valtera without saying our company name. That's that's fantastic. And that's all I can say. That's all I can say.

BOB

Well, that's all right. You said that, and you and you said it on the new RB Life podcast. And you know, the RB Life Network has three million members. Now, I'm not telling you that every all three million are going to be watching or listening to this particular podcast, but they are one of the largest consumer groups in the country right now. So you've got a vast audience and you've got tremendous potential. And there's no doubt in my mind you will succeed, exceed your expectations. Thank you very much for joining us today on the RV Life podcast. And we'll do this again, pal. Perfect. Thank you so much, brother. Thank you.

Closing Thoughts On Many Paths

RENE

You know, after listening to all of that, what stands out to me is just how many different ways there are to live this lifestyle.

JIM

For sure, or to support it. There's no one path. Some people are building communities, some are pushing through really tough circumstances, and others are creating entirely new careers.

RENE

And it all counts.

JIM

It really does. Wherever you are in your journey, keep doing it your way.

RENE

Thanks for being here with us on our journey, at least in spirit.

JIM

We'll see you next time, and hopefully we'll see you in the RV Life or RV entrepreneur groups on Facebook or one of the many RV life communities: IRV2, Air Forums, Van Lifers, DIYRV, Class B forums.

RENE

Until next time, keep making the RV life your best life.

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