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"The Onion Test for Personal and Institutional Honesty" by Chana Messinger & Andrew Critch

October 02, 2022
"The Onion Test for Personal and Institutional Honesty" by Chana Messinger & Andrew Critch
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LessWrong MoreAudible Podcast
"The Onion Test for Personal and Institutional Honesty" by Chana Messinger & Andrew Critch
Oct 02, 2022

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/nTGEeRSZrfPiJwkEc/the-onion-test-for-personal-and-institutional-honesty

You (or your organization or your mission or your family or etc) pass the “onion test” for integrity if each layer hides but does not mislead about the information hidden within.

When people get to know you better, or rise higher in your organization, they may find out new things, but should not be shocked by the types of information that were hidden. If they are, you messed up in creating the outer layers to describe appropriately the kind-of-thing that might be inside. 

Examples

Positive Example: 

Outer layer says "I usually treat my health information as private."

Next layer in says: "Here are the specific health problems I have: Gout, diabetes."

Negative example:

Outer layer says: "I usually treat my health info as private."

Next layer in: "I operate a cocaine dealership.  Sorry I didn't warn you that I was also private about my illegal activities."

Negative example:

Outer layer says: "Is it ok if I take notes on our conversation?"

Next layer in: "Here’s the group chat where I mocked each point you made to 12 people, some of whom know you”

Positive Example: 

Outer layer says "Is it ok if I take notes on our conversation?  Also, I’d like to share my unfiltered thoughts about it with some colleagues later."

Next layer in says: "Jake thinks the new emphasis on wood-built buildings won’t last. Seems overconfident."

Show Notes

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/nTGEeRSZrfPiJwkEc/the-onion-test-for-personal-and-institutional-honesty

You (or your organization or your mission or your family or etc) pass the “onion test” for integrity if each layer hides but does not mislead about the information hidden within.

When people get to know you better, or rise higher in your organization, they may find out new things, but should not be shocked by the types of information that were hidden. If they are, you messed up in creating the outer layers to describe appropriately the kind-of-thing that might be inside. 

Examples

Positive Example: 

Outer layer says "I usually treat my health information as private."

Next layer in says: "Here are the specific health problems I have: Gout, diabetes."

Negative example:

Outer layer says: "I usually treat my health info as private."

Next layer in: "I operate a cocaine dealership.  Sorry I didn't warn you that I was also private about my illegal activities."

Negative example:

Outer layer says: "Is it ok if I take notes on our conversation?"

Next layer in: "Here’s the group chat where I mocked each point you made to 12 people, some of whom know you”

Positive Example: 

Outer layer says "Is it ok if I take notes on our conversation?  Also, I’d like to share my unfiltered thoughts about it with some colleagues later."

Next layer in says: "Jake thinks the new emphasis on wood-built buildings won’t last. Seems overconfident."