This week & forward we will be dropping bonus episodes of We Need To Talk every Saturday that will include a weekly wrap up on the latest in music and entertainment.
This week we recorded before heading to Dreamvillefest to discuss this new Cole tape “Might Delete Later”, the ongoing beefs in Hip Hop including Future & Metro, Kendrick, vs Drake, Nicki vs Meg and we discussed the notion of the music Hip Hop having an industry plant problem.
Make sure you follow us on Instagram @wnttlk + your host @nylasymoneee for daily updates!
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This week & forward we will be dropping bonus episodes of We Need To Talk every Saturday that will include a weekly wrap up on the latest in music and entertainment.
This week we recorded before heading to Dreamvillefest to discuss this new Cole tape “Might Delete Later”, the ongoing beefs in Hip Hop including Future & Metro, Kendrick, vs Drake, Nicki vs Meg and we discussed the notion of the music Hip Hop having an industry plant problem.
Make sure you follow us on Instagram @wnttlk + your host @nylasymoneee for daily updates!
Talk Soon! ✌🏾
Stay connected! Follow @wnttlk on all platforms.
Beautiful Friday morning man I woke up to.
Speaker 2:Chaos.
Speaker 1:Not even chaos. Last or the Friday before last was feeling like. Two weeks ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that felt like waking up to chaos, like the Mr Krabs emoji that was me Meme. Oh yeah, alright, the Mr Krabs meme, that was definitely me when they dropped like that off of Future's Last Project. But today it's like, oh, I feel like I can poke my chest out like yeah, yeah yeah, uh-huh, and it's dreamville morning. I didn't know how the mood was gonna go for today, but now I feel hella excited about this weekend really yes, okay, damn why you say really like you sound shocked.
Speaker 2:I don't like that because you should have been poking your chest out, regardless if you're if you're really a fan.
Speaker 1:That's crazy no, I just choked on my coffee well, take a second to be fair, I am uh like, though I'm, as some call it, loyal to dreamville. No, what is what? Is it Blindly loyal? I?
Speaker 2:don't know.
Speaker 1:Biasly loyal.
Speaker 2:You're the first lady of Dreamville.
Speaker 1:Anyway, no, that's Ari Queen. Ari will never disrespect, but I'm saying as someone who's quote-unquote biasly loyal to Dreamville. I'm a rap fan in general, so I can be fair and assess like all right, you know, this wasn't it. Or like, oh shit, you know they're on our bodies. Last or the past two weeks they've been on our bodies word so I thought that's a fair emotion to feel I don't know you, you should.
Speaker 2:You know uh, how do I say it? You should feel how jay cole feels Like he's the best right now. So you know, I feel like, if you really believed, now I'm G-checking your loyalty.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Wow, if you really believed, you should have never wavered, never faltered. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I never wavered. I never wavered.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I'm just afraid because we're in war.
Speaker 2:I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not a war person.
Speaker 2:This isn't. I don't gain time.
Speaker 1:Don't throw me in coach Like no, I don't, I don't do war.
Speaker 2:So Makes sense why you're a J Cole fan.
Speaker 1:Oh first of all kidding, don't be but they do not be shady.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, that was a joke. I kid, I kid. I like j cole too.
Speaker 1:Uh-uh, no, no I actually went to st john's because of j cole. Oh, wow, we heard this before. All right guys, welcome to. We need to talk, which is a bonus show I'll be dropping every saturday that will keep you updated on the latest trends of the week with my personal pov. These are my thoughts, and my thoughts only with, uh, my intention behind this to spark conversation amongst my community, to keep pushing the conversation forward. So what's up y'all? We need to talk.
Speaker 2:Shit. What do we need to talk about right now?
Speaker 1:Oh, please You've been talking all morning getting on my nerves Just go and drop this project. Yo, I will say aside from seven minute, uh, seven minute drill, we'll address that separately.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's actually a really good um, it's a really good project. Like I think it's cool to see uh j cole like evolve in the sense that, like before I feel like in a lot of his raps it was the aspiration to be the, the greatest, where, like now, he can comfortably be like I, I am one of the greatest, if not the greatest, specifically in my class, so that's a cool.
Speaker 1:Amen, brother. I felt that yes, that's a cool 180. I received the flowers for him.
Speaker 2:Because, yes, I watched it too, amen, hallelujah. That's just cool. It's like it's seeing the grind get all the way to the point where it's like, damn, I don't really have to talk about the grind anymore.
Speaker 1:I can literally just kind of flex my muscles and show you that I am who I am, and so he's been doing that prior to this tape, for sure for the past two years minimum, uh, but the features alone, I feel like. But to me I just feel like even this morning, like it was, it almost made me feel like a kid again, like in high school, when, when that when the mixtapes would drop, you know you're listening to it as you're getting dressed for school and then you're listening to it in the car on your way to school. So I kind of got that feeling again, especially with like a lot of the samples that were used on the project. Like it really made me feel like, damn, I'm a kid again listening to like real rap, getting dressed, headed about my day. Um, so that I guess nostalgic feel is exciting for me.
Speaker 1:This little duo between cole and cameron. I'm like okay, this. I feel like they got a whole tape together and they don't want to tell nobody, like they're just gonna flood us or something yo, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2:I think it's cool how cam, like the young boys, love cam man why y'all love him?
Speaker 1:because he be talking shit nah, I mean, that's who?
Speaker 2:for sure, for sure, one of the greatest I'm so tired of pause.
Speaker 1:Pause was already like a thing, but they just like drove it to the ground with it.
Speaker 2:But I don't know, it's, it's kind of ill that he, like the young boys, just fuck with cam man and he fucks with the young boys. You know, I mean like it's uh, it's ill to see, so it's um, I don't know, it's just, it's nice.
Speaker 2:And you're right, they definitely got way more in the tub because I wasn't expecting that I'm not gonna lie, I'm shocked that we got a cole cam record before we got a drake dipset record, because I feel like dipset, you know I'm saying they love, they love drake, you feel me. So I'm shocked that cole was the one to finally get one of them like on a record first. Maybe I might be wrong, I don't know. I might you know, but that that was interesting to see that's an interest, interesting observation.
Speaker 1:I never actually thought about it. Drake did bring them out, though at the apollo, good time for them.
Speaker 2:yeah, do a little collab or something. And I feel like the type of let me make sure I word this correctly but like the type of braggadocious raps that, like Dipset represents. Oh yeah, I think Drake could speak to that. You know what I mean Very well.
Speaker 1:Very Harlem, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like the number one stunners. Man, like that shit. You know, nobody's stunning like dips, like dipset, but um, cole, I think, from just a sheer rapping perspective, is is ill because it's like you get two different eras of like hip-hop, but also like really great mixtape rappers. Um, and that was the point that I was going to make to you is like how you just mentioned, you know, that feeling of being in high school, a new mixtape dropping. I think that's where cole really excels, when it's like pressureless, yeah, in that sense of like yo.
Speaker 1:This is just verses that I'm gonna hit you with yeah, but I mean, I think he even took that approach with the seven minute drill record, like effortless chill, like all right, I hear you, since you want to be addressed, I'm gonna address you. But like, let's be real, this is where I'm at right now. I like the approach and I think people want Cole to to be just as like angry and just as like vicious when, like, if that's not where he's at, that's not where he's at. I thought everything he said was well said. I didn't really like the part about K-Dot's albums, but I guess it's war, so whatever niggas is going to throw shots like that, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I would have left that line out Alright. So I think, again, from like sheer rapping, like these are, it's a great, it's a great verse, but I think we have to be. We have to be honest In the sense that you know One. We have to be honest in the sense that you know one, just how you brought up the discography point. You know J Cole can't really be the person to speak about discographies Because, if we're being for real, like his albums aren't really received well by the public.
Speaker 2:So not all of the albums were received well by the public yeah, I mean like let's go through it 2014 force hose drive for sure. Classic like we're not, we're not. You know that's that turned him into a superstar born sinner. Another really good album sideline story is Born Sinner. Another really good album Sideline Story Is that Would you consider that a good album?
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I like Sideline Story. I know people. Sideline Story was his make or break project.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was the label. Didn't want to put that out.
Speaker 2:I don't think that was make or break man. That was his first project, Like Born Sinner was the make or break one because of how poorly received Sideline's story was.
Speaker 1:Because it was all Well and okay. So Friday Night Lights mixtape Legendary Stamped. Everybody loved that project. Then, following that, he signed to Roc Nation. So now he got to go through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was already signed.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but the mixtape has no rules, I'm saying, to being released, where, when you sign to a major label, they got different expectations so you can't just put out a tape and let fans pick their favorite. You got to have quote unquote hit records for them to push and work with the system. So that's why I'm just like I think people will be complaining about Sideline Story, but under the circumstances I think it was a good project.
Speaker 2:Okay, sure, no, I mean, look, I'm not. Was I a fan of Sideline Story at the time?
Speaker 1:Yes, you were.
Speaker 2:I was just about to say absolutely.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:But like is that the first Jco album that I'm running to? To like when I have a kid like yo, you got to listen to this project? No, because one I don't think it aged that well. There's a lot of very radio heavy songs on there, but anyways, that's. We're going into a deep dive of like his albums. Basically, all I'm the point that I'm making is if you're gonna bring up like discographies as a as a jab, like understand that kendrick's rebuttal is gonna be it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:It could be the same thing yeah, then go ahead. I was gonna say, that's why that was my critique as well then the next point is you know for you to say like, objectively, kendrick lamar's music puts people to sleep oh god again. That's been a critique of yours for years. Is that a lot of you know? I'm saying the. The masses outside of your core following feel like you make nap time music.
Speaker 1:Which, by the way, that's not even the proper phrase that he put on Kendrick, because, you're right, it's supposed to be Cole puts you to sleep and Kendrick makes you want to read a book, or throw a book, depending on how you take it. So I think that was just wrong.
Speaker 2:That's pretty funny. Like we're going to acknowledge how funny that was actually.
Speaker 1:But yeah so. But to your point about the albums not to go down a discography thing of Cole, even though this would be a great day to do it, since the Dreamville Fest, since you know we just got this new project. But sideline story doesn't count. I think after Forest Hill, hill drive how can you just? What I'm just saying, I think after forest hill drives up. That that's where it counts, because that's when. Oh my god, because what?
Speaker 2:no, nah, this is crazy how is that crazy yo this is what girls do. This is like how is that? This is what girls do, and I'm gonna use this in dating terms. Y'all be like yo if the sex wasn't good, the body don't count. Oh my god, yo did that just happen. Did you just tell me his first two albums?
Speaker 1:didn't count. Yo don't piss me off. Do not piss me off, I'm serious. I'm not saying they don't count, as in like.
Speaker 2:That's how I know you ain't really like them.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not saying they don't count as in like we don't include those on the resume. Oh, I see why you think that that's not what I meant. What I meant is like Cause you're trying to say, you're trying to say Cole can't compare discographies Because he got Projects that aren't Critically acclaimed, right?
Speaker 2:Or I don't even want to say Critically acclaimed, but Like Unanimously.
Speaker 1:Culturally, everybody fuck with it.
Speaker 2:What Like culturally?
Speaker 1:Everybody fucked with it, what like? Culturally, everybody fucked with it exactly. But what I was gonna say is that I think from forest hill drive, since that was like the pinnacle album after that expectations were just set to a different standard, and then that's when everybody kept saying like oh, he fell off, like I don't feel like born sinner sideline story I don't think people were saying this nigga fell off, no, no, no, that don't feel like Born Sinner Sideline Story.
Speaker 2:I don't think people were saying this nigga fell off. No, no, no, that wasn't the, that wasn't the conversation around those albums. The conversation around um Sideline Story was literally yo, you made a, a very poppy's not the right word. Uh is not the right word. Mainstream sounding exactly so his whole thing with born sinner was yo, I'm not gonna listen to these niggas ever again and I'm gonna do piece of advice don't listen to these niggas don't listen to yo people be giving you all types of terrible direction yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think, like born sinner, one of my personal favorite jaco albums was a like a reset, and it was like yo, I'm getting back to what made me who I was fuck everybody exactly which is about to go, and join illuminati?
Speaker 2:yeah, but literally, you know I'm saying so. It was kind of like a reset of like okay, I'm back to like that friday night lights feel, yeah. And that brought him back where it was like, okay, like we're rock, we're rocking with you again, like the masses right, and then force hills drive. In my opinion was like the staple like I'm here, I'm not going anywhere yeah, don't play with me exactly so. But then you know everything. Since force hills, drives has been kind of not hit or miss.
Speaker 2:But not everybody loves it you know I'm saying like if you're a fan, I think you appreciate the records, like for your eyes, only not my favorite, like there's records on I think.
Speaker 1:Changes and Neighbors.
Speaker 2:Changes Neighbors.
Speaker 1:The Last.
Speaker 2:Four Year Eyes. Only the actual title track.
Speaker 1:Both clothes is cute too.
Speaker 2:Not my favorite, but I get it, even though I be folding clothes. I be folding mad clothes.
Speaker 1:Yo, oh, my God.
Speaker 2:But it's like, I think that one's like a collection of good songs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right Like there's songs that everybody can gravitate towards.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that project should have been more of a take?
Speaker 2:I don't even want to say yeah, because it was more of like a dedication. Anyways, you know what I mean. Like it wasn't.
Speaker 1:Definitely was a dedication. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I think it's just because forest hill drives was so the bar was just so high that it so to do a dedication after, right after a pinnacle like that.
Speaker 2:It was it it was kind of a dud, not a a dud. Dud is the wrong word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dud is the wrong word it missed the like.
Speaker 2:I don't think he understood the position when he was at, exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That's fair. That's fair and honestly. I think that's kind of the assessment of Cole. Is that KOD, the follow-up like that was catered to the kids. But it didn't land with the kids. You know, what I'm saying. If that's, if that's what it was, I don't even. I don't really know the the back story around that Well remember it's called KOD means. Kids on drugs yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just talking about the current climate Of how drugs and social media are running the world.
Speaker 2:Word. So again, if that's what's catered to the kids, I don't think it landed how he expected it to.
Speaker 1:Fair enough and I will say, because I was having this conversation, I think, with Money yesterday and we were talking about how J Cole's audience. He was saying like you are the, the definition of what the target audience is. You're a college educated black woman from. You know not the, you know from the dmv, cool, whatever, I don't. I can't call it the south, because people from the south be like in the south, then people in the north be like, not the north.
Speaker 1:So, whatever the part, whatever part you want to say, it is, it's where it's from.
Speaker 2:You are the South.
Speaker 1:No, and that's because you're from Boston, I'm from Lowell. Right, I'm just saying reasonably. It's so below you that you're like yeah, it's the South. Anyway, I'm getting sidetracked. I'm the middle child.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, wow, no track it, I'm the middle child. Oh wow, wow. No pun intended on that one. That was good yo, I'm on a roll, I'm not gonna lie. 8, 46 in the morning you pulled that out your bag. Respect yo, your bag is deep, man, that was oh my god, your bag is deep what?
Speaker 1:why am I talking about the demo? Oh, because he was saying um, because money was trying to explain to me that I am the demo. I think that makes sense as to why KOD didn't hit, because you know most of the black women or the, you know the kids he inspired that went to school, aren't on drugs. They're not, you know what I mean. Maybe dealing with a social media addiction? Sure, I think that's most people, but the drug part probably just didn't hit the core.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. And again, I think I don't think j cole is at the point in his career where he can make a bad song like I think you know, you know how like beyonce can make a country album and it might not sound. It might not be appealing to me because I don't like country music, but like she just can't make a bad song and I think that's where jay cole's at. So, like kod, I think there's a lot of.
Speaker 2:There's some really good songs on there yeah but as a collection of records on an album like I rocked with it because I was a cole fan. But I can understand why other people be like yo, the same. Really.
Speaker 1:It's not really hidden and also, I just I feel like timing is really everything too, like this kendrick shit. The reason why it's so hard is because of the timing and then the manner it was delivered. So, um, I think it's like for cole, if you're gonna do certain dedication projects like there's a, there is like a there's a time timeline for yeah.
Speaker 1:So like, um, you know, it's kind of like if somebody was to drop like a pro-black activist type project in the middle of like all the the outrage and marches that are going on in 2020, they probably would have thrived dropping it right now.
Speaker 2:it right now it's, you know it's not going to hit the same Yep exactly? And then what? What was the album after KOD um with the basketball hoop was in flames.
Speaker 1:Uh, not the fall off Um what is it called Off season?
Speaker 2:Off season, yeah, um, great. For the most part, a great project, yeah, from you know, I think that was probably at the time where my like fandom for cole kind of peaked and I wasn't really like all in on everything he was doing. But I think from that moment on, back in his damn yeah, because that was what 2020 was that 2020 or 2021?
Speaker 2:yeah, so for the last three years, I think, objectively speaking, from it looks like the camera cut off All right. So anyways, yeah, the point I'm making is Cole's discography, in my opinion, is hit or miss to the masses, you know. I think clearly there are three that are really good, and I think the last outing he had, which was the offseason, started this run. The last three years, objectively speaking, has been all about Cole. You know what I mean, and so he just has to be careful when you're throwing that as the jab, because Kendrick could just be like Yo.
Speaker 1:I know that was my only critique, but everything else.
Speaker 2:So then the next point.
Speaker 1:What, what you mean.
Speaker 2:Yo, he kind of blatantly lied and said that the only time Kendrick we mentioned Kendrick Is in controversy.
Speaker 1:Like I was hoping you wasn't gonna pick that one up, but I thought about that too. It's only bad timing because of first person shooter. It's really only bad timing because of first person shooter.
Speaker 2:Yo, when has Controversy in Kendrick's name Ever been the thing that pushes the needle for Kendrick Lamar?
Speaker 1:Well, maybe he's talking about control yo, are we being for real? I'm being for real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's probably talking about control so you think the only time we talk about kendrick is when he's I'm not?
Speaker 1:saying that's the only time you asked me about controversy and I think that's what he was addressing when he said controversy. I'm not saying this man is always in some shit, I'm, he's just pointing out different things because he said that bar and then he followed up talking about, um, like he don't need to do the grammy dance and shit like that, like he's saying, like the things boy, I got here off bars, not no controversy. What was that?
Speaker 2:Can we address that part?
Speaker 1:I think he said Yo hold up.
Speaker 2:How did Kendrick get here?
Speaker 1:Off of bars, for sure.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright.
Speaker 1:But I think I think you're missing his point, like I really think his point is like To this conversation right now, like that we're talking about, as in, like the three headed goat, who's the one? I think that's what. That's what that line is about.
Speaker 2:OK, you mentioned me, like that would be my response from Kendrick.
Speaker 1:But because he is the three headed, they're talking about the three headed goat on the record. Who else are they going to mention?
Speaker 2:but okay, so that's the point that I'm making is why? Why is the guy, the guy who doesn't come outside and play, is always mentioned in the three-headed monster conversation? Because, why though? Because the nigga's great but not because it's controversy attached to it alex, it's war right now okay but that's, but that's what I'm saying, it's yo, you can't, you can't make that a point when, like, objectively speaking, that's not, that's not really the case, like kendrick, but that's why I said it's just bad timing right now.
Speaker 1:All right, maybe all right two folks to that bar. I know it's gonna be picking apart the project like this, I'm not.
Speaker 2:I'm not picking it apart, I'm just saying, yo, we can acknowledge I have my rebuttal.
Speaker 1:Are you ready? Good, all right. The first part about the controversy. That was only in regards to control, I don't think, or in the now the like that.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I think that was only about that. I don't think that was about his career as a whole and like his approach as an artist. And then to the second part of the bar. What was the second half?
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, let me yo. He said if he wasn't dissing then we wouldn't be discussing him.
Speaker 1:I think he's talking about right now.
Speaker 2:Yo come on man, he's talking about right now.
Speaker 1:Come on man, come on man. Yo, I'm not even making excuses.
Speaker 2:Come on, man, I'm telling you the truth. All right.
Speaker 1:He's living in the present, okay.
Speaker 2:All right, for sure, I mean yo some really great bars yeah there's some really great project. Yeah, no, for sure, pie. Probably the best rap performance that I've heard in a really long time, that's with daylight um absole yeah but, nice to see them on the record too. Actually not facts yo cole got off on that, but since you brought up seven minute real, because I you know, I wanted to do a deep dive of the project, but we're now here we can do both.
Speaker 1:We can do both.
Speaker 2:Come on um, but let's finish up with this verse, um, wait, with the project, or with that, with the, with the song, okay, yo, so that's honestly. That's why I have such a problem with it, because I'm just like all right. The one point that you made, which is, like, I think, everyone's criticism of Kendrick Lamar for years, is that, yo, you don't really be outside Like you. What is it you? Uh, he averaging one hard verse like every 30 months or something Like that's a fact.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean these guys are really into these sports analogies right now, even down to drink with his football thing.
Speaker 2:But go ahead, I mean, but that's that's right, that's, that's always been the has it always been this deep marching band cheerleaders? For sure. Yeah, all right. Yeah, I mean jc got a bar uh saying what is it like niggas hate when you getting money like athletes? I mean like I think, yeah, sports has always been a good.
Speaker 1:Parallel.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially basketball. But I think you know the discography came, the discography claim and the claim that like Nobody's talking about kendrick if he wasn't dissing. I think like, objectively speaking, those are false. Like bro, you mentioned him as a big three. There's a reason why he's in that conversation, like he doesn't have to come out and play, because he, he is who he is yeah you mean.
Speaker 2:So I think that's'm like all right. If this is the shot you're going to take, I respect it, because at least you came out and said something. But it could have been. Yeah, it could have been done. I think it could have been executed better.
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean. Because in the end, right, Kendrick's verse is on a hit song, so, like you could have took your time, you know what I'm saying. We didn't have to hear from you until you were ready. Because also, another point people have been making is like Kendrick's verse was really more so towards drake it was and I think you you made that point, that's why I was so annoyed.
Speaker 1:I'm like damn man, my nigga got hit with the straights, now we gotta retaliate.
Speaker 2:This is so unnecessary but that's why I'm like yo.
Speaker 1:You could have took your time oh, because it's not really, because it's not really about you. Yeah, because it's not really about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he really should have just took his time. I don't think he needed to. He shouldn't have got gassed up into responding.
Speaker 1:Not gassed up.
Speaker 2:I mean he said it, though he says it in the verse.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, you don't think Drake is gassed up right now too hell. Anybody that's getting bullets like that should be gassed up. But I will say the reason why I don't think he didn't not take the time because it's not like it was the next day, it's been two weeks. Not to mention he has a whole festival that's going down this weekend, like I think it's all. I think it's all part of the plan, honestly got you.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a fair point. But you know, I think one thing that Drake is really good at is understanding timing and I think and maybe you know I'm probably speaking from obviously I'm speaking from my own feelings about it, but, like Drake, I think, knows he has to drop a hit record. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So because of that, like I'm going to take, he can take his time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, not only does he have to drop a hit record, but also just in the category of rap beats, he already has a Grammy nominated. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Disc record, when that bar is so high, it's so hard to try to replicate yeah, but exactly why, if you're gonna, if you're gonna do it, you got to do it right, like I don't. This doesn't really move the. It's a great talking point, but it doesn't really move the, the needle I don't think I don't think it was supposed to.
Speaker 1:I think in like in the response or in this like three-man war that's going on right now, like, I think what's expected for drake is just like show your bars, like who really got the best bars, and I think he's that when like as far as like the impact, and that this you know as far as like how Kendrick's approach was. I think that's something more for Drake, because this beef wasn't even Like. It's not really. Whatever's going on between Drake and everybody else seems very personal for the, the dicks that were at Cole, it was just about like your skill, nigga, like all right, if this is what you say you could do, then do it but that's why, again, I think that's why like that was so massively done, because it showed like just how skillful kendrick lamar really is where on a on a club record with future dominating the clubs.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm saying yeah where I could give you.
Speaker 2:I could give you real bars yeah right in a packaged in a way that was still very entertaining.
Speaker 1:Did it differently this time.
Speaker 2:Did it differently.
Speaker 1:Did it differently.
Speaker 2:Because control, you know.
Speaker 1:It was a lot.
Speaker 2:Yo to Drake's credit when he was like yo. Tell me how that verse started.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:Everybody knows how this shit starts. You know what I'm saying, Like yo, this shit rings off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Everybody knows how this shit starts. You know what I'm saying? Yo, this shit rings off, and I think you know. In the grand scheme of things, 7 Minute Drill is a good song.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But it's going to be like okay, now we're waiting, what's next? Yeah. Like I don't have to wait to know what's next with. Like that, because in real time, we're seeing the impact of this verse. Like that, because I'm in real time, we're seeing the impact of this verse. Like low-key, like that is the. The kat williams interview of rap music right now.
Speaker 1:Definitely, you know what I'm saying yeah, for sure, like it's really but again, it's it's timing and it's impact. It's timing and impact. But Cole delivered from the art level.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean the pen is strong.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The pen is very strong as far as art Cole. Yeah, not for sure.
Speaker 1:He there and I mean, this was good.
Speaker 2:And it was evident throughout the whole project that he just dropped and you know, I'm hoping he doesn't delete it because you know what I mean. He better not delete this who does that, bro and this?
Speaker 1:ain't even the fall off, because it's pretty ironic, because they ain't gonna follow me, but like this, ain't even an album yeah, but also putting a lot of pressure on himself you heard him, he dropping his reasonable doubt.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. You know what I mean. Because it is. It's a lot of pressure Because you've been teasing us.
Speaker 1:You keep saying everything's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2:Yo Look, if LeBron James goes out there and claims he's the greatest of all time, right and on the biggest stage, shits the's the bed, he's gonna get killed for it. So he's been telling us for three years yo the fall off when y'all hear this shit like damn near, this shit's a cultural reset. That's how this shit feels speak it, so appreciate it.
Speaker 1:you know, I feel, I feel like I have confidence in it. I'm not going to lie, I really do.
Speaker 2:Yo, it got to be his. What is it? His magnum opus? Like that's what it got to be.
Speaker 1:I think it will be. He been talking about it for too long Yo. He said.
Speaker 2:He said this is off season. He said the fall off is like jay-z dropping reasonable doubt last. Yeah, that's a crazy standard to set, for you know, I mean, like yo I'm, I'm fingers crossed, I'm praying that this shit slaps the way he's been telling us.
Speaker 1:I think it will. I think it will. And then also I wonder if he's going to do like the whole no features approach again or not. Obviously he put some features on this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hope he has features. I think that was probably like one of the the main critiques of Cole like was that it was just too much coal, you know what I mean. And it's like the features. It just helps, like bring the project to life. Yeah, I mean let it breathe a little bit, um so, so yeah, I mean regardless for the sport of it all, it's exciting. Yeah. Like it actually gives us something to talk about.
Speaker 1:I mean, yes, I love that we have debate now. Yeah. It's almost like how you sit in sports. It's like how niggas be arguing about sports. Now I have something to argue about.
Speaker 2:Now literally, yeah Like. Imagine podcasting being a thing during the mixtape era Oof, oof. Imagine podcasting being a thing during the mixtape era.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, you know what I'm saying, like that would have been.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, now it's coming back. I mean, leave it to 40 year olds to be the ones bringing this shit back, oh man I was just having this conversation this week.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's funny because, you know, people were like yo, the next era got a breakthrough. We shouldn't still be talking about, you know, these guys. And I think two things to it. One, it's like the saying that hip-hop is a young man's sport, like that was a thing. But now that we have, uh, generations of hip-hop, now, like we're entering with Generation 3.
Speaker 2:What is it? Every 25 years, I think.
Speaker 1:Oh, so two.
Speaker 2:Hold on, let's see.
Speaker 1:We got two.
Speaker 2:How many?
Speaker 1:Generation.
Speaker 2:Every 20 to 30 years 20 to 30. Yeah, so yeah, we, yeah, yeah, we're generation two of hip-hop.
Speaker 1:So uh wait, what the hell was I talking about?
Speaker 2:about. Uh, how the old like we're looking for the new people to break.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we're looking for. Oh, that's what I was gonna say because now we're actually like an established industry and like, okay, this is the things you do, you know. Once you get here, then you start getting press, and then, once you start getting press, yeah, there's like already a blueprint. Are you trying to make a rap joke?
Speaker 1:no, oh, okay, so like I think that's just the term sorry, but um, yeah, now that there's like a blueprint and stuff like that, it's okay two things now that there's a blue, a blueprint and a structure to it, you know there's a system and then also on the other end now, because we're in such an oversaturated market with social media and other influences, like the barrier to entry is low. So so what was the article we were talking about yesterday? Oh wait. The plants. No, not that one. We can get into that later. Okay.
Speaker 1:Maybe it was a conversation I was having with somebody else, but oh no, it was the plants one.
Speaker 2:Should we dive into that one just off rip like that.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm going gonna bring it back to it. Bring it back, bring it back, but we can go into it, yeah, no no, no, no.
Speaker 2:We'll you know what I mean? Save that, save that. So there's this, don't empty the clip Off the first. I'm not emptying Off the first hour, man, come on. What are we doing?
Speaker 1:So it says there was an article that says does hip-hop have an industry plant problem? And then, uh, one of the notes that I had wrote down was just that the barrier for entry is different. Like you know, there there is no barriers where before you at least gotta get a cold sign, you gotta be, at the bare minimum, the best out of your city. But now all the cities is just everybody in every city, in every fucking town, is doing something now word.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is a good point because, like, first you have to be the best in your neighborhood yeah your neighborhood, your block, whatever, then you have to be the best in your city. Then, hell, you kind of have to be the best in your state, yeah, the best in your region. You know, I mean to keep elevating, like, and then be the best. You know I'm saying in the world type thing.
Speaker 2:But now to your point. You know the barrier to entry is so low, um, but this actually speaks to a conversation we were having, where it's like, I think, just music in general, where it's at, it's about feeling. It's not necessarily about the person with the most talent is going to be the one that's going to shine through.
Speaker 1:It's who can make you feel something when they put a record out. You know what? I realize I lost my point in talking just now, but what I was going to say in regards to those two things was that for these new artists, because it's so much value, it's hard for top docs to rise, because noise weighs more than actually talent.
Speaker 2:Seems like you really want to talk about this industry plant thing.
Speaker 1:No, it's not that I really want to talk about the industry plant thing. No, it's not. It's not that I really want to talk about the industry plant thing, but I think the conversation we just had a whole plan About how we would Spend mad time segmenting, coming up with segues.
Speaker 2:Wait, I'm going to come back to it.
Speaker 1:But before we get into the industry plant thing, I do want to talk about like who the next, the next guys are, you know, like who's going to carry the torch? Because I feel like you know they say blog era was the last golden era in rap. So it's like, okay, who's going to be our next golden era?
Speaker 2:I mean, our next golden era is going to come after this, Like right now. I think so too, yeah.
Speaker 1:There's somebody somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, eating a bowl of Apple Jacks.
Speaker 1:Listening to this podcast and they want to say hits to everything that we need to talk about.
Speaker 2:Yo shout out to J Cole man. That was a great skit from Jay-Z. But yeah, I think right now we're in the new Soulja Boy era.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's it. You know what I mean. New Soulja Boy ever? Yeah, that's it, you know. I mean, like I think Soulja Boy was, was an innovator, um, where you know he understood. You know, uploading to YouTube, uploading to like LimeWire, things like that was you know the way to the way to break through lying, saying you're 50 cent exactly but like if you think about it, his tactics, it, it's very similar to what we're seeing now. Lil Nas X he made a parody.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Not a parody. Nicki Minaj account A Nicki.
Speaker 2:Minaj fan page and then he was just uploading a bunch of like was it memes and videos and just putting his song over it. Very innovative. Sexy Red right now what she's doing with um bringing back like snapping music yeah, um, you know what I mean like all these, like this is that was that era of music yeah but I think, and then after that you know, I mean we they say every 10 years, so that makes sense yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think that's just where we're at with things, where it's like I don't want to say I don't want to say it's not good music, but I I think it's music for right now, like entertainment yeah, like it moves.
Speaker 1:It moves the needle right now, but I also think it's never really going anywhere, like even when we, even when, like other talent comes through, that there's still that lane, like that lane is always open yeah, for sure, because it's, it's uh it's money?
Speaker 1:oh, that's what I was gonna ask. And by money I mean like it's entertaining. So people are always gonna tap in and you know the youth is gonna love it and and then older people are going to criticize it. But I was going to say, with sexy reds, like a pill, I feel like a lot of it is shock factor. Do you feel like Soulja Boy had shock factor? I can't remember. Well, we both were kids, but like I just remember loving it, I don't remember being shocked.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point, I just remember loving it. I don't remember being shocked. Yeah, um, that's a good point, I don't. But I don't think he he was also like a lot younger, I mean like he was 16, 15, 16 years old when he popped Um. So I think with sexy red it's definitely like the shock value there. But to her credit, I she does make just like catchy songs, like I think you called it, like jingle raps, where it's like like, but that's not a slight yeah no, that's not a slight.
Speaker 2:I think that's a. It's an appropriate term for it because it is just like very catchy, like fun, very easy to remember the lyrics to them.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean also to sex, not to keep giving her credit, but to give her credit too. Is that it feels authentic? Because there's a lot of people who, like it looks like she's just having fun, like this is what she would be doing with her homegirls type of vibe where, like you know, there's a lot of people who talk.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if it's homegirls. This is what she's doing with her homeboys. I ain't yo what promo. I ain't see no promo video with sexy red where it's a bunch of girls and her just having a good time it'd be all, it'd be all the homies from the block she'd be doing both. Stop it but that's what I'm saying, like that she's ill because it's like yo, the niggas fuck with her, yeah no, the no, the men love her.
Speaker 1:That's her demo, but well, that's her biggest demo. But what I was trying to say is that a lot of people out here are selling, you know sex and talk about similar things. But I think like she really looks like she's having I don't know something about her. I believe Like I want to be her friend, like I feel like we'd have a good time Going out type of vibe Versus other people who do it, where I feel like you just trying to shock me, like you don't even feel, like you Authentic?
Speaker 2:It don't feel authentic, yeah, but I Again, it's a that's. I think that's why Soulja Boy worked, because it was just authentic To who he was.
Speaker 1:Definitely was man. What a fucking era. I'll never forget the Soulja Boy era man, so bloopers. That can stay right in. I don't care, but this was good, I think. What were you about to say?
Speaker 2:But I think also too that's why, like the guys that we hang on to dearly from the blog era, there's a reason they sell. They sell well, you know what I mean. It's because, in the end, to quote that Drake line, real music is always going to last.
Speaker 1:All the other bullshit is here today and gone tomorrow.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying, you know another thing I was going to say in regards to that tangent I had went on was that because they came up in an era where it was like the beginning of the new social media type vibe plus the same blueprint that has worked within the industry for years, I feel like they kind of got the best of both worlds where, like now, you got to try to like cut through online and you know what I mean, like it's. It's a different climate. So I think the reason why you know they're still so massive is because they have the best of both worlds. They're kind of in the middle fair.
Speaker 2:Um, I think that's a fair point, uh. But you made an interesting point where you were like uh, volume is kind of what like works right now. But my rebuttal to that is I don't think there's ever been a time in hip-hop where volume wasn't. I don't think there's ever been a time in hip-hop where volume wasn't the right method.
Speaker 2:Like I wait, I said that yeah, you said, I mean, maybe you didn't, but I could, that's what I heard, so we could, we could run it back. You know what I mean. But if you didn't say too, much on and off so I'm like did.
Speaker 1:I just say that. But.
Speaker 2:But you said there was never a time where volume wasn't the yeah, like, if you, if like, if you wanted to set yourself apart, you, you had to drop consistently yeah like way, you're right, actually 50s era wayne's shit even jay-z released. From what was it? From volume two, think, all the way up until Blueprint 2. Released the album damn near every single year. You know what I'm saying. That's a good point. Like so, volume has always been.
Speaker 1:The name of the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's is your volume actually producing great records?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean hell even. Let's be honest, man, I used to download those Gucci man mixtapes so I could keep up. Out of every 80 records that he dropped, only two would be good, you know, and I'm literally searching for the gold.
Speaker 2:So it don't even gotta be good, especially in this day and age. You gotta kind of just do it. You have to just keep. And yo that was, uh, damn, I just. I think cole said it in one of the songs where he was like yo, if it wasn't for like eve telling me to just drop, like I might overthink this whole shit and never put anything out. You know I'm saying so. It's like even he understands, like that's why these verses that he's doing where it's like yo.
Speaker 2:He might not be putting out projects every year, but we're constantly hearing a jay cole verse a good a good jay cole good jay cole verse, because I can think of a few people who've came back out and did some verses and we like nah bro, go back but you know, and I think that's why somebody like future, why, again, I always say you have to include him as the big four, because he is somebody from the time he broke through you know what I like what you just said, because instead of taking somebody out of the big three, you just added him to the group and not change the number to four yeah, no, but it is a big four, like literally this, like final four, like of the blogger.
Speaker 2:These are the four that that stood the test of time yeah not to say the rest of the guys in from the blog era don't still do their thing, you know who the hell I'm adding I mean, but let me some wale yo really your demo yo. Yeah, I know, I know we said cold cater, so college educated black women. Wale, I love wale yo what man black women jump out the window for Wale.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rightfully so. I got to tap in.
Speaker 2:I got to tap into the formula. He got Wale does it right.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's who I would throw in too, but I understand the combo right now.
Speaker 2:To the like from sheer consistency, volume and quality, like quality music. You know, subject matter, subjective subjective? Definitely don't be for me, but for most of them but you know you can't really argue like quality of the records and again it kind of shows in this, in this last outing I know like that got got all the headlines but but you know to put up 251 total units sold in 2024 when you know streaming is the dominant form of music consumption.
Speaker 1:I expect that, though I'm not going to lie. I expect that from a player like Future, but why?
Speaker 2:do you expect that?
Speaker 1:Because Final Four you know what I mean. Because I expect nothing less from drake. Same with cole. I'm curious to see what this tape does. I know it's not the album, but still because I don't do numbers, it has to.
Speaker 2:It's fucking j cole, I know yeah like, but aside from like, that's number one, which is crazy to think that it it beat out any song off a Beyonce album to hold the number one.
Speaker 1:That's a country album.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like man that is Beyonce.
Speaker 1:People keep trying to say I know it's Beyonce, yes, but it's going to take people time to adjust. For those who aren't.
Speaker 2:Yo, it sold 403,000. What?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, but different audience too, like hip-hop population, r&b population. Country population.
Speaker 2:You're missing the point that I'm making. The point that I'm making is like Beyonce, it sold 400,000 units. It's the number one album in the world. Usually when you do those numbers, you have the number one song on the chart. You have, you have the number one song On the chart. So the fact that Like, like, that Is still number one. And then, even beyond that, you had Type Shit Come in at number two when the when the album first released. Then you had Cinderella Come in at six we Don't Trust you at eight, and then Young Metro at nine. It's like, damn Like.
Speaker 1:He's really occupying space. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:yeah, so I think it's just cool to see.
Speaker 1:It's like damn, all from different regions and it's rap too last year hip-hop 50, if they was slandering us talking about they haven't had a number one all year. This, that and the third man it's been it's. It's a lot of energy.
Speaker 1:Right now, this q2 is starting off very, very good, I would say you think, you think, you think they took it personal, like the stuff from last year, like it's the 50th year everybody was literally waiting for them to drop, like everybody was expecting the big player shifters in hip-hop to actually drop something, especially in honor of our anniversary. Do I think they take it personal? No, because I think to be well, not to be fair, but to be frank, when you get to a certain level of success, what's that Andre 3000 quote fuck the culture. What is the culture? I'm pretty sure all of them are there and been there, so I don't think they even well. I don't think they take headlines regarding the general culture personally. They only take it personal, wanting to sneak this or an attack from their peer.
Speaker 2:So do you think like you know, obviously, future and Metro they released that teaser yesterday about their new album dropping on April 12th Do you think it's going to do just as well? Or like, what are your expectations for it? Essentially is what I'm asking.
Speaker 1:I don't have any expectations. I think this is supposed to be like the Hendrix version of. You know how he does the double tapes. You know, this is when I tapped out of era when he went. This is the era that I tapped out of future when he started doing these double tapes. So, to be honest, I don't really have any expectations, but I do think. Um, I think it's gonna do well you think it'll outsell?
Speaker 2:we don't trust you.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it'll outsell it and the only reason why I'm saying any doubt to that is just because, the shock Unless, there's another fucking bomb like this, then yeah, then I think it will. But if it's just like a R&B project, like the Hendrix project, then I don't know, I don't see it Outselling it Cause the Kendrick, it was so big. So even if you didn't even plan on Listening to the album oh god, the Like. That was so major in it's own, that Like. I personally didn't plan on listening to the Kendrick, I mean not the Kendrick, I personally didn't plan on listening to the Kendrick, I mean not Kendrick. I personally didn't plan on listening to the future album. But then once I heard Kendrick had a this you know verse on it, I sat and I listened to the whole thing.
Speaker 2:So does that prove Drake's point he's been making for years? Is that like nobody really cares about the things that y'all do, unless you mention me?
Speaker 3:No, nobody really cares about the things that y'all do, unless you mention me.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no. And the only reason why I'm saying no?
Speaker 2:because you got it. You got to walk into that one. I had to think about it.
Speaker 1:Damn, that was shit. Ok, the only reason why I'm going to say no just because, like I'm not, futures demo, so like that's why you weren't, I'm not rushing to the no Just because I'm not.
Speaker 1:Future's demo. That's why you weren't. I'm not rushing to the Future tape Because I don't really listen. I already tell everybody After college. I just hit a wall when I'm like, wait, why am I listening to this? I don't agree with this and this is not the lifestyle I want for me. So that's the only reason why I wasn't listening to it. But I wouldn't expect other people to listen to it, because futures core is extremely strong. So I'm gonna say no to that statement in particular. But I will say I'm also not rushing to a drake project either. Like, don't get me wrong, because I'm a hip-hop fan. I'm going to listen to all of it, at least over the weekend. You know what I'm saying. But I'm not rushing to most people's projects unless, unless it's J Cole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would rush to Cole's, but also, like I don't know, I just I gotta be excited Because they're both so like frequent, like, if Rihanna drops because she's been MIA on the music scene, I'm definitely gonna be. That's the first thing. I'm listening to Hell, even Cardi's, because I've been waiting so long for Cardi to drop Soon as she dropped. I'm listening because it's been so long and I'm not saying I'm mad that they're so present. I'm just saying like I'm not in a rush to get to you because I know it's going to be there.
Speaker 2:Got you? Do you think hip hop's the only genre that like forces maybe not forces, but like puts the pressure for, for frequent drops? Like you know because, like r&b, you know, I'm a huge sZA fan right control came out 2017. We didn't hear back from her until was it last 2023 or 2022 23 I think it was oh it was december december 22, right? Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So it's like that project lasts a long time, a long time very good, even the singles before it that's a long ass rollout you see what I'm saying, though it's like you know.
Speaker 2:We gave her the time. Rihanna anti, anti was a lot. That was her last offering very good yep you know, I mean lemon. When did lemonade drop? 2017, 2016, 2017, and then we didn't get renaissance. Oh no, uh, actually beyonce is not the right person for this because she can't join.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she frequently drops, yeah, never mind, so um but I I hear point and I think it's a good point.
Speaker 2:This was off the cuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I never really thought about it.
Speaker 2:We didn't really prepare for this.
Speaker 1:You're right? Hmm, well, and you're saying that because of the flag that they give Kendrick?
Speaker 2:Yeah for not coming outside. And then, like the points you just made, that you knowke and future are just so consistent that, like you, there's no excitement. For you, excitement is not the right word, but it's like I'm not in a rush, yeah you'll get to it when you get to it, um type of thing.
Speaker 2:Um, so do you think? Because I think, even like big sean talked about it and like one of one of his uh freestyles of just like not having the motivation to want to drop, I think, like polo g discussed like he took three years off, um, you know, to deal with certain health shit. But like I, I feel like if you, if you're not already solidified as a legend and you take time off, it could really like hinder your career. You know what I'm saying, like in, at least what it feels like in hip hop.
Speaker 1:You're right. Because of the window, because of this window that you always be telling me about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all have a window, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, because of the window and just how fickle Fickle people are, which is another reason why like For fickle fickle people are, which is another reason why like for me, like because I don't want to sound like people be like, oh, it's your job to like, stay on top, and which I agree. Like when I come in to do this podcast, like I did my research. I'm well versed, uh, you know, I'm keeping up, but, like I don't let the culture dictate my life. And I'm gonna add any more to that because I used to really be so and I still am invested. But I don't know how do I explain this.
Speaker 2:I used to be take your time, I used to take it three hours I used to take it more personal.
Speaker 1:I guess we're like now, um like I interacted more instead of it dictating me. Like I'm not jumping to hear the latest thing, because I got my own life and I feel like more people need to have their own life too. I'm going on a tangent now, so I'll pass the ball back to you.
Speaker 2:No, you know, get your shit off. You know what I mean. That makes sense though right, yeah, not for sure. I mean, I think that's uh, it's normal to me in my opinion, right like, especially because we're so young, impressionable, like these things really matter to us because, like, what else did we have to worry about? Like you know, say like. This was, this was, of course. I'm gonna get mad about this.
Speaker 1:All that I have but now, as a mature adult, I'm like, ah, all right, I'm gonna listen yeah, but like now we got responsibilities bills like yeah, fucking life is stressful like shit.
Speaker 2:When your life ain't stressful, you create stress.
Speaker 1:So like, and that's what we do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what fandom was all about, man, especially when we're young. Yeah. So I think that's a fair, I think that's just maturity. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like we just matured.
Speaker 1:Look, that's why I'm not rushing to the projects, that's all I'm going to say. But this was a good project to rush.
Speaker 2:rush to, though this new cold yeah, I mean again, I think in the same way, the future, in the same way like that, like it made everybody be like oh, hold up, let's, let's actually like tap in. Because I, you know, I'm sure a lot of people have similar sentiments as you, where it was like we got another future tape, we'll get to when we get to it, especially the people outside of the core following, yeah, um, but like when you're not the core following and you hear, oh, he dissed them. Yeah, you go right to the diss first and then you're like all right, look, the diss is fine.
Speaker 1:Let me listen to the tape oh, if y'all did that for cold I I just waited till I got to it, because I'm like damn seven minutes uh she end up being like three. That was my first reaction when I saw it. Now let me listen to it. You know what I mean and how you listen to things it's almost cinematic Actually, damn you know what.
Speaker 2:All right, I'm not going to kill Cole for this, actually, because I saw a clip of eeb talking about what the seven minute drill is, and it's basically like yo they, they set a timer and they give each other seven minutes to write about a topic oh, and then that's so, I think that's probably all that happened here see, and that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but that's why. It's also why I'm like you could've just kept it. Cause you didn't have to. You almost had me. I'm back to being like what the fuck, man?
Speaker 1:And you know what?
Speaker 2:This is exactly why I'm mad Is because yo, literally this sounds like you did this in seven minutes. He ain't taking it seriously Fair enough, All right. Well, I guess you know.
Speaker 1:If you got your own calling, why would I worry about you? Niggas, you know what I'm saying. If you want to be addressed, I'll address you All right that, okay.
Speaker 2:So the reason why Cole again, the reason why Cole can't be the one to and this is in him saying that like this is me rebuttaling you.
Speaker 1:This is me rebuttaling you.
Speaker 2:So Cole has always been the one who is.
Speaker 1:Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2:That's not what I was going to say. I was going to say he's always been the one who's been keeping an eye on what his peers are doing.
Speaker 1:They're all keeping an eye on each other.
Speaker 2:But he vocalizes it. Alright, you know what I'm saying. If he's like I ain't worried about what y'all got going on, then don't put it on records that you're paying attention to what niggas got going on. Then don't put it on records that you're paying attention to what niggas got going on. No, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:I hear you, they all doing it.
Speaker 2:Fair enough. Fair enough, well, I mean like in terms of he also conscious.
Speaker 1:I'm just the first to admit it. You know what I'm saying? He just the first to admit it, but all them niggas is doing that you got insider knowledge?
Speaker 2:I don't know that's just I only know what I know that's just natural competition oh, honestly fair enough all right.
Speaker 1:Speaking of competition, man, it's been hella rap beef this year. I feel like I always Yo 2024 is going the way it's going because of Club Shay Shay and that Cat Williams interview. The day Cat Williams did that, it's like he just shed gas in the air. Covid, boom, everybody caught it. And now niggas, this is awesome, ill shit, everybody's wilding. All right, I didn't have to say COVID, it wasn't COVID, but he just spread.
Speaker 2:He shut the world down Shit damn near and I kind of did, damn near, I kind of did.
Speaker 1:But I would say it's almost like the war is in the air. I feel like this year, like truth is being shedded. War is in the air.
Speaker 2:Well, who's Warren? But aside from the big four, diddy and the fbi fucking. Uh, what mad people are warren I mean really diddy and 50 cent yo diddy and 50 cent why, everybody versus that company like it's all why? Why? Every time 50 cent beefs with somebody, the feds come come raining down yo leave 50 out of this no, I want no smoke yo nobody want no smoke, let me make that very clear. But every time 50 cent get into a war with somebody, the feds come through hilarious, I think they was.
Speaker 1:They was already there, but shout out to 50. He's been extremely entertaining, I will say one of my favorite rappers to follow who else is beefing this year? Um, oh, I mean the the nikki minaj, megan, that was the first actually. No, was that the first one of the lotto? And the ice spice on the first one, the first I think uh, megan, megan, nikki, yeah, the megan nikki um disser, megan, megan Nikki, yeah, the Megan Nikki um this or verse?
Speaker 1:I don't know, I didn't. It was here Now it was gone. We moving on Now make try and figure out what to put on her album. Whatever the case may be, um same with the ice spice and Lotto here today, gone tomorrow. I really thought Lotto was going to like. I really thought Lotto was going to like. You know, show her skill and not to say Sunday Service is a bad record, but because the get in the booth bitch promo and shit like that, like I really thought it was going to be an actual.
Speaker 2:You thought it was going to be like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it was going to be like that. I'm not going to lie. I thought like I thought it was going to be like that, but then it. So after hearing her reply it gave like oh, they're really friends and they just thought we do some promo type vibe.
Speaker 2:That's how you felt about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like I feel like it was a fake.
Speaker 2:You didn't see the red carpet.
Speaker 1:I saw it, but it was based off the records. I feel like it was a fake beef Cause. It wasn't really no dissing in the record.
Speaker 2:And then what about? So how did you feel about Nicki's record and the Meg record?
Speaker 1:Bigfoot. I didn't really care for Bigfoot. I mean the Megan record, I thought because it was so clever I liked it. Well, it's not something I got to repeat at all, but for that day the whole Megan's law and just the bars and the, the way she even approached it. You know like she dropped the record and then she goes on breakfast club and is like yo hit dogs are gonna holla like I just like how hers was just a little more layered instead of just a direct like bigfoot joke. As a black woman who got shot in her foot publicly we all know like I don't know, I'm just, I wasn't really so do you?
Speaker 2:think like I don't. You know, you might be more well-versed in this than I am, but what? How do I say this? I guess every on the on the men's side right for the most part, the top dogs always at some point have to duke it out yeah and you know you're. You're judged by what that, that record or those back and forths look like. Do you think the same happens when it comes to like the top dogs, when it comes to women, like is it? Is that same level of competition expected, um?
Speaker 1:like women go on a war yeah.
Speaker 2:Like do you think like they care when, like women, audiences even care that much, like what? What's your perspective on that?
Speaker 1:That's a good point that. Do women audience even care that much? But I mean, I don't know. I think the meg and nikki one definitely could have really been something like I don't think it was. But but you're to your previous the first question, which is like is it held to the same standard?
Speaker 1:I want to say no like but I just I don't know if it's like, if it's a consumer thing, like we're not holding it to the standard, or is it like on the woman, like do they just not take it as seriously? Um, or maybe they just don't care about the war, because a lot of people you know I'm saying they're not really in rap because they care about the craft. You know, this is a money lick, like this is how I'm going to elevate my life, which I'm not mad at. But, that being said, if it's not about the craft, then why would I really care?
Speaker 1:Like, a lot of these artists aren't emcees, like Drake, cole, kendrick, future emcees this is why they're in the conversation. And Future emcees this is why they're in the conversation and that's why everybody's like yeah, you know what Beyond, whatever the internal beefs are, and that's why Kendrick shit hit so hard, because it's like, at the end of the day, he's really testing your craftsmanship. So, for the girls, it's not about the art, even whatever their beef says internally. At the end of the day, in no way is anybody really caring about the art, even their whatever their beef says internally, like, at the end of the day, in no way is anybody really caring about the art. Now, two girls who I do think could and would, would be jt and lotto like I think they're friends, I'm not saying okay, I was like wait, hold up, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:I don't know, no, no, I'm not saying they beefing, but like two girls, if they had to do like a a battle, or like if this was warmo, if it was the guys in the girls world, I mean I think lotto and jt, those would be two pins I'd be crazy to see. Go at it. And doja too, that would be great. Hell, doji too. There's a lot of girls who can really spit not for sure, but so.
Speaker 1:But that's why I think I'm like, I'm like damn damn meg too honestly when I think about girls and their freestyles, because I'm right now I'm thinking about like their records, but like when you see these girls do their freestyles like, oh, you see they get busy in their bags, so I don't know. That would be really interesting to see that's what.
Speaker 2:That's why it's so like. Fascinating to me of like is is the competitive aspect of just like yo, if we was just outside right now going back and forth rapping yeah do? Do women look at it the same way of like I'm trying to take your head off?
Speaker 1:I would like to see that. I mean, I feel like nikki definitely is one of those people who look at it like that, especially being around Wayne and Drake. You know what I'm saying. So she's being groomed by men, so I think she has that.
Speaker 2:So why do you think her diss records don't like?
Speaker 1:If I got to be completely honest, it's just because she's in a different place. You know what I'm saying. Like she's in a different place, you know I'm saying like she's not in jamaica queens on smack dvds. She's already so well accomplished and so well established that she's not there anymore. The same, the same thing that drake's talking about on his tape. Like people are out of touch with their roots and their ambition and their why to rap and I mean Nicki's a pop star Wait Drake said that. Not Drake Cole.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, he had a bar like that on the project. I know what you said. You said Drake, so I was like Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 1:But and also Nicki's a pop star, I just feel like she's.
Speaker 2:It's not the same and honestly, I'm not even, so why enter the?
Speaker 1:Because she's still the bigger dog.
Speaker 2:Exactly, so why enter the arena with that person? It's like yo, I don't have to.
Speaker 1:She really didn't have to. But you know, something I was thinking about when you brought up like the difference, like in women's approach. I also feel like a part in it, maybe like fan base-wise, is that, like women are hyper, especially today's women are hyper-sexualized, whether by choice or for marketing purposes purposes, and I think, like, where like a lot of their value comes in is, you know, being appealing not so much the art, so it's the same, how, like you know, for a lot of these new artists, like you gotta have a great personality or make me laugh online or, you know, have some type of thing, and then it's like the art. You know, that's like the era that we're in right now where the art isn't your leading thing to why I know you. So I think for women, that could be applied to like their sexuality and how, like how much people really care.
Speaker 2:OK, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So then it's funny Great segue, by the way, and I'll You'll see how I tie it all in but it's funny that you say that Because Megan was just online With her fans and she was like Asking them questions about the direction her album should go in, because she wanted to get back to her roots. So I think one of the points that she made was that because she was trying to appeal to larger audiences, you know she was making music that she probably wasn't in love with, and now she's trying to get back to what that look, what that looked like in her past yeah one do you think that's a smart approach for her two, is she past it?
Speaker 2:like where she's at in her career? Like, like, do you think that's even necessary? Should she be looking to evolve as opposed to trying to get back to her roots? And then three, three, like, what does that look like?
Speaker 1:Hmm, I'm going to answer your second question first, which was does she even need to do this? And really it's all on her. It depends on, like, what you want your legacy to look like. Like I said, we're in the era now where the music is the accessory. It's not even like the leading thing to her. Music is the accessory, it's not even like the leading thing to her. So, um, to your point, they built her up, you know enough, with Popeye's hot girl sauce and fucking Nike campaigns and ads, where she she's already you know I'm saying a a staple. So she could just leave the music alone and move forward x, y and z. But if she wants to keep pushing her pen, like I know she does, obviously she wouldn't be on here asking.
Speaker 1:I think she should definitely do it, and I think it would be a good idea to go back to your roots, because man mega's had a hell of a story, you know. Play out in front of us, from being in school, to getting lit, to losing her mom, to dealing with men. We literally watched it all out and didn't have a dad. Didn't have her dad either. So it's really just her going through this. I don't know. I'm a Meg fan, so I'm getting all personal, but yeah, I think Tina Snow Meg would be great. I disagree with the comment about the twerking, though. She's saying she don't want to really make twerk music like that. I think you know that's the reason why a lot of the girls love you Is twerk music Like you can play, make shit at a party and just turn up and have a good time. So I think she should do a little bit of both.
Speaker 2:That sounds like she's maturing.
Speaker 1:That sounds like she's maturing and Whatever it looks like it sounds like we'll take it. I know, for me personally, um, tina snow, I think that's good if I gotta go like project to look at, but even the first one, fever, had the twerk records give me a little bit of both. But again, like I just said, she's been through a lot between death loss, losing friendships, losing friendships you know, public court, this, that, and the third getting shot, like I'm sure she's a different person, so I don't even know if that's possible.
Speaker 2:So what does that sound like then? What do you envision that sounding like Because there has been so much controversy revolved around her in general? And not to say like, for instance, kanye, when the world was against Kanye in 08 after the whole Taylor Swift shit, because you went against America's Sweetheart whatever he had to duck off and he came back with, like my beautiful dark, twisted fantasy. Like sometimes, controversy can potentially spearhead you into making like your best body of work. That's true Controversy and trauma.
Speaker 1:She's put out a project already. She has Trauma zine. Oh, that's what it was called. Yeah, was it good it? You know what I mean Controversy and trauma.
Speaker 2:She's put out a project already. She has Trauma zine. Oh that's what it? Was called yeah. Was it good?
Speaker 1:It was cool. Okay, it was cool, all right, I'll say this, and this is me A lot of times, when artists go through something traumatic and then they do a project, those projects usually be my least favorite projects from them, just because it's so personal, like it's not really for the fans. It really be more so for you, which I understand as an artist, and I think, like you, have every right to do that. But I can think of like five other projects that sound hella personal but don't connect. You know what I mean. I think like projects where artists allow for their team to help them put out something that's appealing to everybody usually come out the best, because a lot of time artists get in their head and you know it'd be so personal. They love it. But I ain't trying to hear you sing on every track. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, I think, I think she should definitely have bring back r&b collabs yeah, bring, bring back r&b collabs.
Speaker 1:We need to put that on a shirt. We need to put that on a shirt. Please bring back r&b, because I'm tired of hearing rappers all off tone and shit yo, this is drake's fault yeah, but drake did it good yeah but it's his fault.
Speaker 2:This is his. He's the reason everybody's trying to sing on records sometimes it's good.
Speaker 1:a lot of times it's not, though. So, yeah, I think, and since we, uh are reliving our 2000s moment right now, yeah, go ahead, go ahead, do a collab. I got a a shitload of R&B artists I think you should have as a feature from all different sizings. Like I don't know why more people don't work with Kenyon Dixon. He's fire and he's independent. I think that would be dope Down to smaller artists like they, these people just I have a heavy rotation that are R&B Tone stiff, like these are layups.
Speaker 2:They will help your song traumatic.
Speaker 1:Dramatically, all right, um, dramatically tremendously. I'm sorry, it's fucking early, oh my god so with um.
Speaker 2:To circle back to the ice spice lotto conversation, you know conversation, somebody like Lotto. I'm not really familiar with her catalog, but does she have, in your opinion, a mixtape or project that's good like a Tina Snow?
Speaker 1:I don't even know if Lotto has. I think she did a tape where she flipped a bunch of gucci records.
Speaker 1:um, so I remember that, but I don't like a tina snow or like a friday night lights or just any of those beginner albums that like put you on. Not to my knowledge I don't. I don't have one that's like critically acc to me. My introduction to her was Bitch From the South. She had came through, she had just got signed. They played us the record. It was like okay, duh, we see it. And then after that but she was already popping before that from the Rap Game Show with JD and stuff like that, also not familiar with that, but everybody from Atlanta, they talk about how they seen her grind from day one.
Speaker 1:So but why you asked about the tape in particular?
Speaker 2:well, just, uh, and I guess like the conversation around, uh, like women getting on, maybe not getting on, but we were just, I guess, having like the conversation, the competition and you know, like meg talking about she wants to get back to her roots, um, and you know you brought up how tina snow, if there was ever a route to hit, it would be that one. So, like I wonder, like lotto, what is, what is her trajectory? Look like, I know, in the midst of this, like weird beef that's not really a beef, it's like what, what is like the expectations for, in your opinion? For you know, a lotto project. And then like, in that same breath, like what is ice spice's career? Look like moving forward, right, because she just she just won uh, best new hip-hop artist at I heart radio music awards and I don't think she's put out like a project.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she did, she did. Okay, I forget what the bend over the grab back post.
Speaker 2:Okay, uh, but you know what I'm saying. Like, what is what is the, what is the career trajectory for?
Speaker 1:like these two very different artists who are seemingly going at it, it says Lotto's first tape dropped 2016, miss Mulatto, that's probably around the time of that show and then following up, all right. So Lotto has catalog and Lotto has a story that we've all seen, you know, grow and, to be fair, like she's only getting better. So I think Lotto's trajectory is something to look forward to. And then also Atlanta, home of rap for so long now at least a decade, two decades. She's the first female rapper from Atlanta to do it like this, so I think she's already kind of like a staple to say the least.
Speaker 1:Like Cardi for the Bronx Lotto to Atlanta. Yeah so yeah, I have high hopes for Lotto, as long as she stick to what she does got you um, she doesn't have a body of art that I would like say like damn, if you got to listen to one Lotto album, that is the album. She hasn't had that yet for me, but um, I don't know. Hopefully it comes, hopefully it comes soon so and then in terms of like she's also not really under any pressure either, though, to deliver that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, she's kind of Like you said, there's really nobody from Atlanta challenging her seat right now. You know what I mean. So, but again, I think that's why the competition aspect of it is so important in hip-hop, because it forces you to push yourself. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then also to the point of like this girl that wore. I mean like if we had to compare the I Spice Lotto thing to something with the men, like I don't even think this would even be a conversation yeah, I mean to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:This is literally like j cole beefing with diggy simmons right on a skill level right that's why I'm like like this is only, I think, a conversation, because we want to see what this looks like and we haven't seen it, but and we're really being real when it comes to the art like this isn't really it's not really nothing, but I think that's why, for me, like sunday service was a bit of a letdown, just because, like I loved the, I love lotto's rollout, for what that could have been was incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with you know the, get in the booth, bitch like that. That is now a staple meme. Yeah, like somebody's talking shit.
Speaker 1:Yo, you dropped that they were doing that to kendrick.
Speaker 2:They said kendrick said get in the booth bitch, you know what I'm saying. And then, even with her pulling up to the bronx with 20 suburbans, you know I'm saying like the problem, I'm thinking, oh shit, like this is about to be again. I'm thinking it's about to be like that. You know what I mean. So for me it kind of fell flat.
Speaker 1:But this was her Drake Meek moment.
Speaker 2:I mean, she could have got Ice Weiss about here.
Speaker 1:This is a Drake Meek moment.
Speaker 2:She really could have got her about here for real. You know what I'm saying, yeah, and then it happened, and then it just kind of went away. And then we seen them on the red carpet where it was just kind of like ice. They just, you know, lotto's doing her thing with the interview, ice Spice walks by and that's it. There was nothing. At least Nikki and Cardi they gave us fisticuffs.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, Honestly, I prefer the Ice Spice.
Speaker 2:They gave us fisticuffs.
Speaker 1:I approve. I prefer that because these girls is like bitch, you ain't about to fuck up my bag. You know what I'm saying? I'm still growing as an artist. Both of them are still early in their careers, so I'm not mad at their approach Because, well, I'm talking about, like, being civil, I'm not talking about the music. I'm not mad at their approach Cause, also, I don't even think they take it that seriously at all.
Speaker 2:The beef or the career.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Well, the beef is what I meant. And then, in regards to the career, I don't think both of them are playing for legacy.
Speaker 2:So I mean, you know, Okay, right, you think both of them are playing for legacy.
Speaker 1:I think lotto is. I think, yeah, exactly, I don't think both of them are playing for legacy. Therefore, you know, one one is in it for the art, one's in it for, you know, money cool, all right well I can't even new york has all the industry plants.
Speaker 2:That's what they're saying online.
Speaker 1:I can't even say it's about the money, but you know what I mean um you just completely miss no, I heard what you said.
Speaker 1:You said new york has all the industry plants that's what they're saying no, this article that we found 10 artists who have been accused of being an industry plant. Number one is Cardi B on the list, followed by Jack Harlow. Oh wait, cardi wasn't number one, jack was number one. I'm sorry, jack was number one, cardi number two. Her number three, which is fucking lunatic Ice Spice, billie, eilish, lotto, chance the Rapper.
Speaker 2:Yo, I seen other articles that had Baby Keem, capella, grace CJ, sexy Red, lil Nas X, lil Yachty, blueface, glorilla 6ix9ine City Girls, superstar Pride, ray Stremmer and Chance the Rapper. That was another.
Speaker 1:The last two are so Just like what the fuck Crazy People be saying. You know what? To be fair, people say I'm an industry plant. So you are. Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't Look. You know, own it.
Speaker 1:I ain't owning shit I ain't no guy, I am not an industry plant. Yo, you not Charlamagne's niece? No, I'm not Charlamagne's niece. I mean, I'm not his biological niece. I met him.
Speaker 2:You're not.
Speaker 1:No stop. Y'all not family I hate when people do that. Man Y'all, not family, no, and please stop, because it's bad enough. People really think that, Like people think that I am a nipple baby. I'm not a nepo baby, in no way shape or form. I've worked for everything.
Speaker 2:What's Angie Mother?
Speaker 1:She is mother.
Speaker 2:Angie is mother. That's what you mean telling me.
Speaker 1:Okay, I call Angie mother, and Charlamagne Unc. And that's what they are, all right. Plant.
Speaker 1:But I didn't come out of Angie Plant. Oh my God, I can't stand. So anyway, the definition of an industry plant is a negative term used to describe artists who become popular through their connections in the music industry, rather than their own talent or merits, whether that be nepotism, wealth or inheritance. And I just want y'all to know, I am not related to anybody in the music industry and I'm the first of my family to work, you know, in this area of life exactly what a plant would say oh my god, all right, you know what?
Speaker 2:whatever um yo people really call you a plant yes, I'm gonna have to put the comments.
Speaker 1:I'll post a swipe through of all the comments that be like yo, whose daughter is this damn nepotism. Lucky I just be like I feel like people and, to be fair, I do have a very young looking face. So I feel like people and, to be fair, I do have a very young looking face. So I feel like people. Just count me out just based off how I look, not knowing, I will pack you and your mother up.
Speaker 2:Why did it get so spicy?
Speaker 1:Because I hate when people say that, what Say damn. And my mother?
Speaker 2:I really like my mom. Me too. I don't know why it got so spicy. I'm not talking you know what Anyway. Like I won't ever call you a plant again, I promise.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, see, alright anyway. In regards to the industry plant conversation, I think it's funny because there is no real. Well, actually, by that definition, there's definitely some industry plants. I'm just not one of them. Alright, by that definition Are there's definitely some industry plants? I'm just not one of them. All right, by that definition.
Speaker 2:Are you, yeah, are you willing to, to call out a few plants?
Speaker 1:Am I willing to call out a few plants. There's mad plants. By definition of an industry plant there's mad plants.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, I'm trying to put you on the spot.
Speaker 1:It looks like you're trying to put me on the spot.
Speaker 2:It looks like you're trying to put me on what I'm trying to put you on the spot. You ain't gotta call now. You ain't gotta do that I'm just saying nepotism wealth.
Speaker 1:I know mad celebrities who are the kids of you. Know another celebrity who you or somebody who works in the music business mom might be a lawyer for all the music people or over at a label. Yeah, that's, that's a lot of artists, or if it's not them, then their management is nepo babies. You know I'm saying so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely all ties um, but as far as yo, if you don't leave me but as far as being a industry plant, it isn't like a program you can sign up for and be like yo shit, I wish you would sign up hell yeah yeah, but I was gonna say because, like we talked about earlier, with the blueprint that is now put in place, you could just manipulate the blueprint and, um, you know, put all the chips on your table so that you get you know favor of the machine. But it still is up to people to take to you too yeah, but people have bad taste people definitely have actually not let me.
Speaker 2:Let me reverse that. I have bad taste, so you don't want to yeah, I'm not even.
Speaker 1:I'm not even offending people, I have bad taste well and, to be fair, um, like, we're just known to be programmed whether people think it or not, but it's like television programming, radio programming, these things are on repeat. You see these things all the time, like it's for it's, on purpose. There's plenty of records that I did not like when I first heard it, and then I keep hearing it, I keep hearing it and now I know all the words to it and, oh my god, I love this song now, like so you're telling me I don't actually like the music that I like and that I'm just programmed and that is your doing.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's not my doing.
Speaker 2:You're not the media, you're not the radio.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you listen to my sets that come on Sunday nights 11pm at Paragon 105.1, you can listen from the iHeartRadio app, but, um, no, my sets Do not. Do not sleep through my Shameless plug. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But, um, nah, if you listen to my sets, I'm playing good music, like I play my shit, my shit a little different. Tap in yeah, yeah, yeah, mmm, see, now you're sticking your chest out. I'm not an industry player.
Speaker 2:Now you're sticking your chest out. I'm not an industry player. Now you sticking your chest out, I'm talking about that's right.
Speaker 1:Show them my cubs I got oh my god, are you kidding me, yo? What's wrong with this guy? Um, but yeah, I mean programming. People are getting programmed to like certain things. So I just think, um, it's, you either fall in line with the system or you don't. And I feel like we see often those artists who don't agree to fall in line with this.
Speaker 1:They, they don't play the game you know you kind of got to dance with different um things in the culture that shifted, like radio, like social media, different type of dancing, you know, one's like more algorithm based, where another one's people pleasing so you can get the favor, um, but yeah, some people are willing to do the dance, some people aren't where do you fall within that? Me dancing, dancing, dancing yeah yeah, but it's not. You might be a plant no, for me, it's more so like I.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, fuck you yo no, I didn't realize this was such a thing, but now that I know I'm your plant no, because people really think that you gotta stop saying that you're a plant but I'll say this like I genuinely like talking to people like I like meeting people.
Speaker 1:Meeting people and like socializing, like that's a strong suit for me. So I feel like like I got in this on an internship and then like really like damn, this is easy for me, like I met so many people, I know so many people and I'm just good at building relationships. So for me, I like dancing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you like the tango, yeah then they said, they said, they said you was sierra back in the day they did yeah, facts you really, you really do like to dance. Man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm impressed hey, I'm getting tired, though I'm gonna say that I'm getting tired of dancing. Yeah'm going to say that Girl you getting tired of dancing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, feet hurt, mm-hmm, got to take them heels off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, damn, damn.
Speaker 2:Yo, I'm a little funny.
Speaker 1:A little bit, a little bit Un poquito.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes Damn. So when do you think let's stay on this plant topic? Okay, let's stay on this plant topic.
Speaker 1:Okay, because this is funny. When did this? When? When did you start getting coined as a plant? Um, when did I start getting coined? Definitely once Breakfast Club gave me the Pass the Og segment.
Speaker 2:Oh, so this is new.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, alright, never mind. I thought this was like they had been saying this to you since From time.
Speaker 1:No, oh, this was like they had been saying this to you since from time. No, oh no, because people really think I would plant because of charlamagne, like because of my relationship with charlamagne, so they think I'm either his daughter, his niece or something like that, which, like you kind of look like charlamagne.
Speaker 1:No, but yeah, it's strictly just because of the whole past, the ox situation after that now everybody's like, and really I think it's just because breakfast club demo is so much bigger. So people just really aren't familiar with who I am and the work I've done so isn't that to tie it into like artists?
Speaker 2:couldn't the same be said to like, let's say, an artist who got the drake stimmy right like and niggas is like yo.
Speaker 1:He's a plant, yeah, but I mean, but that is the conversation that's being had right now and well, it's been going on for a while but currently, you know, the next person in the hot seat for the stimmy is for bat. So I mean, yeah, and honestly I think the stimmy can either hurt or help, just depending on, like, where the artist is already in their career. So, and I hell, I think the same thing for me too, like certain things too fast for any, even with artists. When certain artists record take off before they're really ready to step into the artistry, like it usually don't end that well where like when, when somebody is ready and has done the time, then it works out.
Speaker 1:It plays out how it's supposed to. So I think it applies in in every aspect fair point.
Speaker 2:Do you feel like you've ever had a situation like that in your career, where you feel like you know certain things were just taking off too fast before you were ready?
Speaker 1:um, um, I'll say yes and no. And the reason why I say yes and no is because, like, when things were taking off, I thought I was exactly where I needed to be doing things, exactly how I was supposed to do it. So, like I didn't, I didn't know the other side to you know the business, or to like just how things should be for my best benefit. So, yeah, honestly, the answer would be no, cause I thought this was right for me. You know what I'm saying. But then, as I've grown and matured personally and professionally, you know I just have different needs, different wants.
Speaker 2:And then I'd say yes because no, I'm going to say everything happens for a reason, as it happens, very PC.
Speaker 1:That wasn't PC.
Speaker 2:I'm messing with you, between the plant and you being PC.
Speaker 1:I don't understand how it's PC. This is genuinely how I talk and think, like I really feel, how I feel about it.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna lie, because I know these things bother you. You just wanna bother me? Yeah, I just gotta bother you, it's very PC.
Speaker 1:But no, yeah, I think yeah alright.
Speaker 2:so who are the plans that you know don't be PC Shut up.
Speaker 1:And, to be fair, I don't think my trajectory has been fast at all. Every step I have worked very, very hard for. So there is no, I can't feel like that because I haven't gotten overnight success. Like I have jumps where like, all right, cool, I accomplished this. Now, you know, and even then it might look like a jump from the outside. From the inside it's a bunch of bricks being laid a day a brick a day don't, I knew it brick a day.
Speaker 2:Damn, where'd you hear that?
Speaker 1:nobody's special, but I don't know, I don't know damn man fucking that is.
Speaker 2:That is annoying as fuck that people finally found out that you were a plant. You know what all?
Speaker 1:right, is it? What else we gotta talk about?
Speaker 2:no, but in all honesty it it is. You are a perfect example of like what it looks like to work hard and and get gradual leaps, you know I mean. So I think that's a. That's a really that was a great way to describe it where it's like I work really hard and then I'll have like a leap, and then people who aren't familiar it's a whole new audience it's a whole new audience that you now have to show them like, hey, no, I've actually been doing this been doing this.
Speaker 2:Put the time in x, y and z even down with the podcast.
Speaker 1:Like people come in here like how long have you been, how long have you been here? They're like I think they're talking about this spot. It's like, oh, one year. But I've been doing this for a long time. I've been doing interviews for the source magazine to power 105. Like it's been a journey.
Speaker 2:But also I think that was part of the problems, because I'm kind of everywhere is is the shift of going from like working on like major platforms, like a source or iheart, to now, like you know, you're the one curating basically the entire production, like, how tough is that? Is it even tough? What's like, how do you feel?
Speaker 1:hard as hell. Well, I'm not gonna say it's hard now. Um, there's definitely always going to just be challenges and you know, down to like the tech. You know the tech issue this morning all of a sudden, certain mics wasn't working and I got a problem solved. But I think, yeah, the process is hard and I don't think people really see how much time and effort goes into doing things, because you know, as a one-man band, when you start off in a company where you get support, you know there's a digital team, there's an audio team that actually does the recordings. You know there's different departments where then, when you do your own thing, it's just you. You've got to be able to wear a lot of hats and then trying to find good people to work with. Trying to build a team is also incredibly difficult because you got to deal with your set of bad apples. You got to find people who align with you. So it's hard, but I'm glad I got to experience both. I'm glad I went through that now to kind of see what everybody does and what I like, what I don't like and how I'm going to apply it for me does and what I like, what I don't like and how I'm gonna apply it for me.
Speaker 1:But to put this back on the artist like that list is crazy, because we've actually watched, you know, cardi B work hard, like we've watched these people. Some of them we didn't really see. Some of them, yeah, they just became viral sensations and I think maybe that should be. The angle with the article is like, are they industry plants or are they just viral sensations? You know, we watched cardi put in the work, gangsta bitch music, you know what I'm saying. But then we've also seen her on love and hip-hop. Like she attacked us on all angles. We had already fell in love with her on social media because she was funny and entertaining and always talking about different things. So, um, some of those people, I don't even understand why they're on the list Now, by definition, yeah, baby Keem's an industry plant, you know. Everybody know Kendrick's your cousin. I don't even think they blood cousins, I think they're well, I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's like a family friend and you just call them cousins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I got a few of them, the same way I got uncles. But y'all just don't hear me though, you know. Y'all just don't hear me though. You know I'm saying anyone call me a nipple baby and shit, stop, stop, what, all right, anyway. Um, yeah, same with you know. Yes, capella gray I think he got family in the music industry. Ice spice you know her team got family in the music industry. I-spice you know her team got family in the music industry. Yachty family in the music industry. Who knew L'Oreal and Cardi were? I mean, I think she was a viral sensation on her own, but I don't know, I think all these artists kind of fall under different umbrellas. City Girls doesn't give me like. I don't think they got any family in the music industry, so it's unfair for them to be on that list. Same with cardi, same with glow hell, same with six, nine. But if anybody can't, I think he had the um, that wow factor that we were talking about virality yeah, virality, yep, so those are the playlists.
Speaker 1:I mean, those are the playlists, those are the the three lists. It's like Virality Family and you get like that Blueprint package. Or we, you actually worked for it and they just Included you on here Cause they're dicks, or they just didn't do the research. Yeah, Damn.
Speaker 2:So you're the Cardi B of media. I'm here all week, okay, all right, yo, come on, that was good, that was good was good, that was good yo you I don't have.
Speaker 1:I don't have that same captivating approach as cardi.
Speaker 2:Yet I don't know. You're pretty entertaining yo.
Speaker 1:You should listen back to this podcast hell, I think so too, but you know, I don't know, I didn't, I didn't get my um bodak yellow moment. You know, I'm saying I haven't gotten my bodak yellow moment, so until then I don't really feel comfortable wearing that. But I hear you, you know, I hear it, no pressure yo damn the self-awareness no pressure, yeah, your therapist, your therapist would be proud of you.
Speaker 2:That level of self-awareness, man, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying. You know, I'll take it though. In a game where braggadocious what we were talking about earlier with Cole is like knowing where you're at in the universe at the time. Ooh, I feel like, yeah, I know where I'm at. I like where I'm at, Feel good. Good.
Speaker 2:Damn, I was trying to, you know, I'm trying to like give like little witty replies to you. No more, I've had nothing. You did such a good job, just like wrapping that sentence up, that I'm like all I can do yeah, all I can do is just applaud you he thought he had a moment. All I can do is applaud you. You didn't give me nothing to work off of all right so do we have any qtna questions that need answers today?
Speaker 1:questions that need answers today and hold on before you say yours. For those who are listening, I want you guys to know that we're going to end each show with questions that need answers. So if you guys have any questions that you want us to talk about, um, all you gotta do is email me at nylawnttlk at gmailcom and I will get back to you either via email or on the next episode of we Need to Talk Weekly that will drop every Saturday um you see that I got my radio voice turned on when I gotta do them.
Speaker 1:Ok, anyway, go ahead well, I mean hell.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. You've been doing this for 7 years podcasting. And radio are saying You've been doing this for seven years, podcasting and radio are so different. You've been flexing about the grind for the last 30 minutes of this podcast.
Speaker 1:Sorry, it's the coal in me.
Speaker 2:Nah, you snapped, you snapped, that was good, that was good, that was good, like. I want you to know I'm impressed. That was very good, that was good, that was good Like. But I want you to know I'm impressed.
Speaker 1:That was very good.
Speaker 2:Very, very, very good Wow.
Speaker 1:But it's funny, cause you, the way you talk on a pod and the way you talk on radio is very different. So, but like when it yeah, cause podcast, it's literally a conversation. So it's like yeah, yeah, because podcast is literally a conversation, yeah, yeah, where, like on radio, you got to hit your points. You got to kind of be in and out the kill zone. So like me hitting the hey guys, if you have a question, make sure you ask the question and then email me. You impressed yourself. That was very radio-like.
Speaker 2:You impressed yourself.
Speaker 1:I did, I did, I'm done.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, as you said it, I watched you in your head Pat yourself Cause.
Speaker 1:I'm like Damn, that would have been A great little clip. You know what I'm saying. I might have to use it On the Sunday night show 11pm Power 105, I Heart Radio app.
Speaker 2:That one. The other one was better Cause it was a script. Oh, come on, come on, it was a script. A script, you from the south.
Speaker 1:You be so, stank man you from the south. Making fun of my verbiage.
Speaker 2:But alright, do we have QTNA I mean for me, questions that need answers Is when and how Will Drake respond? Ooh, that's, I think you know what Cole. To be fair, he responded exactly how J Cole Would respond to anything, he did.
Speaker 1:What needed to be Done, as he always did, man what Yo? What needed to be done, as he always does, man what?
Speaker 2:You are definitely President of the J Cole family.
Speaker 1:Yo wait till you see my outfit. I don't know what day it's gonna be, but it's. It's a fly fit. But then I put like Some merch on there that only like real Dreamville fans would have. So Wow, yeah, I can't wait to wear my shirt.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, so Cole responded exactly how I think most people expected him to, so how? When will drake respond? I think that's the questions.
Speaker 1:I need answers well, tour wrapped up this week, or is it next week? Um.
Speaker 1:I think tour's about to wrap, yeah it's wrapped already and um he brings him out tonight I was thinking that well, tomorrow I mean, yeah, tomorrow. I dream, though I was thinking that, but now that I've heard, now that he dropped this project, no, I think he's about to bring out cameron. I think he's about to bring out boz. I think he's about to bring out Boz. I think he's about to bring out Central C. I could definitely see Central C coming out Earthquake. That feels like right.
Speaker 2:In New York City.
Speaker 1:Maybe somebody's carrying something or something.
Speaker 2:This is crazy.
Speaker 1:This is a big ass building in Times Square that's shaking right now.
Speaker 2:This is nuts.
Speaker 1:It feels like an earthquake.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is craziness what.
Speaker 1:Thank God I didn't light my candle today, not my 500 dollar lilavo candle. You know I love this thing. I almost lit it but I was like it's too early in the morning, he going dead. How much did you spend on this candle? Well, I didn't spend it, but it's 500 on a candle on a lilavo candle but it's the big dollars On a candle, on a Lollabo candle.
Speaker 1:But it's the big one. Wait, who spent it? Don't worry about it, sweetheart. Shout out to the Certified Vibe team man. The team got together and got me my favorite candle from Lollabo, but they got the five hundred dollar joint. So I've been burning it everyday.
Speaker 2:This is the type of shit that women spend their money on. Man.
Speaker 1:A good candle. Don't sleep, men like good candles. You.