Livvi shares insights into her earlier career starting out in marketing roles in Melbourne then fulfilling her dream as a singer on tour across Portugal and Australia including several TV appearances.
Her passion for producing music and performing has never left. Livvi now runs her business helping clients share their knowledge and stories by amplifying their voice through podcast creation. Livvi believes its important to see possibilities and instead of walls. Mindset is key! Livvi shares important tips about getting started with podcasting and demystifies the notion that each episode has to be perfect as this is an unattainable goal.
Livvi also talks about motherhood, overcoming personal challenges and the power of vulnerability.
Get ready to be inspired…..5-4-3-2-1.
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Livvi shares insights into her earlier career starting out in marketing roles in Melbourne then fulfilling her dream as a singer on tour across Portugal and Australia including several TV appearances.
Her passion for producing music and performing has never left. Livvi now runs her business helping clients share their knowledge and stories by amplifying their voice through podcast creation. Livvi believes its important to see possibilities and instead of walls. Mindset is key! Livvi shares important tips about getting started with podcasting and demystifies the notion that each episode has to be perfect as this is an unattainable goal.
Livvi also talks about motherhood, overcoming personal challenges and the power of vulnerability.
Get ready to be inspired…..5-4-3-2-1.
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Connect with Olivia (Livvi) de Sousa-Ferres:
Connect with Vicki Main - Podcast Host & Co-Author of The Momentum Mindset Book:
LinkedIn Profile
VLM Instagram
VLM Facebook
Website
Click here to purchase a copy of The Momentum Mindset Book by Vicki Main and Jonathan S.Bean.
Don't aim for perfection because that's actually a limitation. We aim for perfection, fantastic, but it means that we can't get any better. And being imperfect, it's actually freeing and it allows you to just grow and grow and improve. And improve. Welcome to the Get Unstuck Fast Viscosity podcast, brought to you by V L M training and coaching specialists across the UK and Australia, hosted by me, Vicki, Maine. Are you a business owner, leader, or executive? Have you ever felt stuck or disappointed where your life or business is heading? Do you ever feel overwhelmed? Compare yourself to others, or feel like you're swimming in treacle at times? This podcast is here to help you get unstuck fast from viscosity to achieving escape velocity and expanding your knowledge. Our guests on the shore will share practical tips and real life experience about how they got out of negative situations or circumstances to live their best life on their terms. We will be sharing real life stories from real people, doing some incredible things. Stay tuned for our next guest. Welcome. Welcome to season two, episode 10 of the Get Unstuck, unstuck Fast Viscosity podcast. I'm your host, Vicki Maine, and today we have. Livia, also known as Livy Dusa Paris in the studio. And welcome Livy. It's lovely to see you again. Hello, Vicki. So good to see your face. Not that anyone can see it if they're listening, but I get to see it. Yeah, I, I love your background, that beautiful mural. It's beautiful. So yeah, very cheerful. And um, yes, I've got a beautiful bright yellow flowers behind me. I did another podcast interview where someone said, oh, I love the Van Gogh behind you, but it's actually my mom's work. Very cheerful. So how is the weather in Melbourne doing at the moment? Is it all good? It's been cold, but it's starting to warm up just a little bit now as we're hitting into spring nearly, you can see the changes happening. We've got a beautiful cherry blossom in the backyard with flowers, and we actually see some sun in the mornings and evenings when it used to be dark. So yeah, it's gorgeous. It's getting a bit brighter, gorgeous. I'm not on the houseboat in Chelsea now. Um, relocated. So I'm now in the Isle of White currently and I've recently just come back from a trip from Perth in West Australia and I did a Momentum Mindset book tour over there. So I don't know if you saw anything on LinkedIn, but it was lovely to be back in Australia and I'm hoping to be in Melbourne pretty soon and hopefully we'll catch up face to face. So very excited. We, we'll have to make that happen. Let's get into it, and I'm so excited to have you on the show because I know having worked with you for about a year now, you've been helping me behind the scenes, launching my podcast, and I feel like now I'm so used to it and getting on with it and doing it. It's like people say to me, oh, you know, do you wanna launch? How do we launch a podcast? I say, speak to Livy because you helped me along the way, so thank you for that as well. And. It's great to have you on the show today. I wanna jump straight into it and ask, can you tell our listeners more about your career journey, what you've been up to and what you're doing now? Okay, so where do I start? I spent a long time in doing different roles, but I spent, I. A fair chunk of my time doing a marketing role in an office suppliers business quite a few years ago now. But I was there for a long time and that's actually what introduced me to podcasting.'cause I always loved podcasting and always loved in-depth interviews. And I was a big fan of Andrew Denton and I was a fan of that style of interview even before podcast were a thing. And then I ended up doing podcasting as a networking tool actually. And I dunno if a lot of people think of podcasting for networking, but that's what it was.'cause I joined the local chamber of. Commerce because our target market was the local businesses in the area, and I joined previously probably a little bit half-heartedly to be honest. And you go to these things and you swap cards and you maybe do a follow up and say, oh, how you going? Do you happen to need to change supplier yet? Or just you think of reasons to touch base and all of that sort of stuff that can feel awkward. And so this time when I went, I was all in and the podcast was part of that strategy and it actually worked in ways that I hadn't even anticipated. So that's a long answer, but yeah, and I ended up getting speaking gigs out of it and getting visibility in the local community and then attracting clients who basically I'd get recommended and I was visible and I was invited to run workshops and join the Chamber as a. Board member and all of these things. So yeah, it's a great networking tool. But from there I've had babies and left and did different things and ended up working for Little Rockers Radio for a while and doing virtual assistant stuff where again, I helped people with podcasts. And then I decided I wanted to focus on podcasting. And so I do podcasting and repurposing so that people can milk the heck out of their podcast and get video and all of the things. So it's been a journey. I've done other things along the way, but. I could go on and on. That's the nutshell. Well, I have to say I did, and thanks for sharing that. I did have a look on your LinkedIn and I know it says that you were singing in Portugal and you had quite a successful singing career there, and I have heard you sing from a beautiful voice, so must have been quite a. I'm sure you sang once on one of our podcasts, so we at some stage I'm sure, but the Portugal that you were on, tell me a little bit about the Portugal, what happened there, because how I, it's quite an interesting story. That was what I call my 15 minutes of fame, which it was interesting. I sang in Melbourne as a support act for Kim Rero. Anyone who's Portuguese will know who he is. He's very famous. He crosses generations. He's been famous for decades and he actually sings songs that have double meanings so the kids listen and think it's all cute and funny, and the adults are listening and they can hear that. It's quite rude actually. It's all double meanings. Yeah, he's very popular. He was impressed with my singing and he said that if I came over that he would help me out. I need to speak to my. Parents and stuff as well. And he had a conversation and said, well, if you're serious, okay, we'll come over. And basically I ended up not uprooting my life and living there. We had things to come back to in Australia, but it ended up being incredible fun. So we went north and south of Portugal, traveling around with him, and I got on four big television shows that were big in Portugal, but also go around the world and also sang live with him at a couple of things. So, It was a blast and yeah, it was a lot of fun. So there are some YouTube clips. Yeah, sure. And do you miss the singing component? I mean, I know you still do a little bit of that now and but do you miss doing that sort of full time? Is that something that you would love to get back into? I wonder about it sometimes. I've got all this equipment that I haven't used so much going on in my life that I can't fathom how I would, so my way of. Keeping my hand in at the moment is I'm producing some children's music and very soon I've got videos made already. I just wanna have a few before I launch them. So I'm doing kids music and that's my way of keeping my hands in. And I've got an animation that is the Libby version of me. But yeah, I do wonder, I'm like, I've got that. Equipment and what am I going to do? I think at least I'll explore it just for a bit of fun. I've got a friend that I mean to catch up with who has a band, and we'll just still have a sing. It's like a dormant thing that I think sometimes you need to be reminded and it wakes up again, that it's still, yeah, I can relate.'cause I used to DJ in Perth as well as my, so I used to tussle, but I love music and I loved entertaining and I can't sing, so I took the DJ route instead. Although I can play the violin, but I went down the route Wow. Of DJing. Um, not very good at it. I have. To say, but better a DJing. And I've still got decks now and I still occasionally get on them and jump on there. But yes, I could do parties, but I do it now just for fun. And for me, that ship had sailed and I focus my attention on other things that I love within the education space and coaching and training and writing, and now podcasts. Who knew? But I can totally resonate. So what inspired, yes. I'll show you. I can see that, by the way, the fact that you've even done a bit of a touch of standup comedy, you've got that streak in there. Oh yeah. Yeah, that was that. It's always a performer, isn't it? Once a teacher, I suppose, always a performer, but I'm curious about what inspired you then to set up the podcast and go down this route? Was it around the flexibility as well with your children, or what inspired you to be self-employed and do what you do and what you love? It's a good question. I was at my previous employment for such a long time that it just felt stale, so I definitely wanted to get away and not have anything to do with office supply anymore. But I loved the podcasting side of it. And in a way I fell into it. I don't know, maybe it's a little bit show busy in a way because you still get out there talking to people. It's still social. I like talking to people. It's a way you could be social, even if you're feeling a bit introverted,'cause you can still be at home. I just love that people can be real and go deep and not have to fit into something, into a three minute or one minute. Video bite. Not that I mind those. I can enjoy those too, but I tend to attract people who've got a big mission and people that have got something big to say and a message who wanna make a positive impact in the world. And so just podcasting really lends itself to that. And I just really enjoy being a part of that. Supporting people and helping them to make that happen. Yeah. Well, I mean, I, I love the fact that I look at the stats behind the scenes and I can see the downloads and it just brings me joy to think that. Remember the first session that I did and you coached me through the podcasting process 'cause there's quite a lot to think about before you set it up. And I remember the first podcast recording and you walked me through the steps and now we're just about it. Went to series three coming up. I'm recording them next week. I'm so pleased that I started this journey because some of the quotes from the podcast actually became part of the first. Book, which I've co-authored with Jonathan Bean, saw. There's quotes from the first book in there, and it was such a lovely journey and we'll get onto the book in a minute, but I was gonna say, what do you think is the toughest part about being in business and doing what you do? What's the hardest thing about it? Sometimes you need some support networks because sometimes as someone who's doing it from home, and I'll have. Some people in a team, like a contract to help me out with things, but sometimes I'm like, oh, oh, I need to decide about which direction to go with this and that. And I'll just feel like I'm just at home by myself. It can be a little bit lonely. So I think you need to have mentors and colleagues, like-minded people that get it, that you can reach out and bounce ideas. Yeah.'cause sometimes you don't wanna just be stuck in your own head. Sometimes that's really useful. I know I've talked to a lot of business owners who, some of them work in isolation in their own home office, but they do a lot of networking and they have accountability buddies or groups that they go to and mentors and coaches, so that works really well. What does the future hold for you with your business? What are your grand plans? What do you wanna do next? I wanna continue doing what I'm doing as far as supporting people I've been creating, keeping up with and upleveling with levels of videos and styles, making sure I'm cutting edge and making videos that help engagement because I, a lot of the videos, I'll make videos from the podcasts, so there'll be especially shorts and short style videos. So I'm expanding in that area. And also I've got some workshops. That I'm planning to do for people who Awesome. Wanna wrap their head because I've got a checklist and it's a good starting point. So you know, I can share that with your listeners if anyone's wanting to start a podcast. I'm also planning to do a workshop because I feel like it can be overwhelming when you're starting and to really have a time where people can allocate, to sit down and go, okay, I wanna do a podcast. I'm sick of it being on the back burner and in the too hard basket, let's make some moves forward. That's a plan. Also, some courses for people who I normally support people. Because I feel like as CEOs, entrepreneurs, you need to free up your time, but there are some people who wanna know how the hands on how to do things. So I've got some plans for sharing some of the tips. Awesome. The strategies. Yeah. Awesome. From your experience, have you seen a lot of people like not necessarily working with you directly, but people setting a podcast and then just letting them slide after a short while. Have you seen a lot of that? Do you think people just give up because they just don't have the time? Or is it that they just lack the motivation, or do they not see the return on investment and that they think it's a quick fix? I'm curious, from your experience, why do you think people give up so soon on podcasts? I, I think especially if you're trying to do all the editing and everything, you're. Self that can be overwhelming. I also feel like I did a podcast episode recently about myths of podcasting. I think people put it up as that it's gotta follow all these rules and be perfect, and I liken it to a bit like exercise because yes, ideally we should definitely exercise probably every day if you're doing it. Three times a week, that's good. Or whatever. But the thing is, I feel like people drop it in the same way they do exercise. I had all these plans and I was going to do this, and I was going to do my weekly podcast, and I'm a failure if I don't do that. And so then they drop the ball completely and I think to allow for some dis. Allow for imperfection and also like I was in the same way I was saying before about being in business and being on your own. I think having some support and someone you can talk to about it too, because recording you might go, is this any good? Is anyone like, what am I saying? Imposter syndrome as you talk about sometimes and having someone you can talk to and bounce ideas from, which is part of what I do as well. Part of what I offer, I'm there if anyone wants. To use that message of service getting out of your own head. And yeah, the exercise analogy is the best way I can explain it, I think. Yeah, I love that. So let's talk about mindset. I'm curious, what are you fearful of? Do you have any fears or anything that has held you back in the past? Do you know what, being a podcast, being someone who coaches podcasting? My fear is sometimes that I find comes up is that I feel like I have to do everything perfectly, because if I can teach it, I'm not allowed to make a mistake. So that is something that can come up sometimes and I think you've just gotta allow yourself to be human. And sometimes making the mistakes is part of role modeling. Sometimes people wanna see, wanna see some realness. I've got a new podcast arm, I've got a new setup, a moved house, and I found that I needed a different setup to get the microphone exactly to the right place in my mouth, next to my mouth. And I got this podcast the day that I had a podcast guest spot, and I had a bit of fear around what if I can't figure out all these nuts and bolts and put it all together and I have to know everything, you know? So yeah, I think we put pressure on ourselves sometimes. Well there's that favorite saying of mine done is better than perfect. And like today, even though I have been a DJ and I should know my music tech and all that side, my headphones aren't working today for some reason. So I've just rolled with it anyway 'cause I didn't wanna miss the podcast episode. So hopefully that'll be fine, but also, My microphone, I've packed it away somewhere and I can't find it. Anyway. I think if we strive for perfection, it's a really high attainment because it doesn't actually exist. So, and all those people, its a limitation. Yeah, it's, remember you mentioned what I've learned from other things, so I'm gonna bring this in now. Before we started the podcast, this is something I learned from singing, and I think no matter what you do in life, you'll find that the lessons apply to life in general. And for me, for singing it, the lesson was, Don't aim for perfection because that's actually a limitation. We aim for perfection, fantastic, but it means that we can't get any better. And being imperfect, it's actually freeing and it allows you to just grow and grow and improve and improve. So yeah, I've just recently, 'cause I thought, right, I'll get myself on YouTube and I recorded a, a quick YouTube a couple of weeks ago and I did about 40 takes and I thought it's just not today. Today's just not the day. And I'd done my hair and makeup. Cup and all those things, and I was just like, this is it. Put me in front of the camera and I was like, why? I, I just can't even articulate my words today. So I didn't even bother with it. I was like, I put it to one side. I started the channel a little while ago and started putting the podcasts on there, which was based on one of your recommendations. And now I've got the channel there. There's so much. Goal to do so much more. But I think as human beings, we are human beings. We're not human doings. We are meant to be and exist and make mistakes. Hook up occasionally, one, occasionally swear, whatever. We're allowed to make mistakes and I think quite often I have children and particularly my youngest, Son, I attempt not too many expectations on him because as he grows up, I don't want him to feel like he's has to be this perfect person that isn't gonna attain that 'cause. As you say, it's not achievable. But going on to the book, I know you've recently read our book by Jonathan Nye, the Momentum Mindset, and I'm curious, what did you think of it and also what was. What was your biggest takeaways that helped you maybe reflect on getting out of your own inertia and living an incredible life, or maybe something that you thought, ah, an epiphany and wanting to do something and take action moving forward? Well, there were so many, and to be honest, I can't even think of them all right now on the spot, but, While I was reading it, I kept taking photos and sharing them online and going, or putting them in my stories and saying, oh my God, this, oh my God, this, uh, but the one I can think of right now is what, when you were stuck and you asked yourself the question, I. What would the smartest person in the world do right now? And yeah, I think it's a way of removing yourself or giving yourself a little bit of distance so you're not so much in the problem that you, you are more solutions focused and, and yeah, so I loved that. And I just loved though also just the feeling behind the fact that you did this and you went on this journey and you thought, I'm going to document this and I'm going to, Share what I learned with everybody and take them with me. I loved, I just loved that. I felt a real genuineness from it. Thank you. And I know, I mean, some of the feedback I've had, because I wasn't sure in terms of the target marker, we thought perhaps it would be for women between the age of 25 to 55 or whatever. But actually we've had feedback from young people like the age of 16. Who loved it. We've had feedback from women who are in their sixties who love it from men in their fifties, men in their thirties. And so it's not, it's not just targeting women, it's, but because I think it's written by Jonathan Nye. We bring a male and female perspective into it, but different takes on similar. Um, mm-hmm. So, but yeah, thank you for your feedback there. Um, yeah, we're gonna be actually doing an online workshop very soon about the self-publishing journey and things we've learned along the way. So you're welcome to join us when we do that. I'll put the link eventually on LinkedIn and we'll put that out there. So, we'll, we'll have that. It's gonna be coming up in the next sort of three weeks. Roughly, but we wanna share what we did to inspire other people to have that voice and share their story as well. So it's, it's been an incredible journey and I highly recommend everybody's got a book in them and you know, if I can do it, Jonathan can do it. The two of us you can too. So yeah, that's it. I love the fact that. The feedback you gave me was that you're taken everywhere. You're reading it, and it's very practical and it's relatable, and that's what I wanted it to be. In the book, I used some of the quotes from the guests on the show in the book. So it was like almost the podcast came. And as I was writing the book, I realized that the content was so good from the guests on the show that I brought that in. So I guess from a podcasting perspective, there are so many possibilities for getting content and using it in other places in your business. And one, sharing that knowledge and expertise. I love that. Have you got any tips for dealing with setbacks and not giving up and resilience? For me, I find that it's a lot to do with mindset and that we can get in our own way and we are human and that's okay, but I think you really need support and a shift in mindset and that comes. From, for me, having people around you that you can talk to what's and all and say your biggest fears and say the worst things that you might be feeling about yourself in that moment, and the people that will lift you up and speaking it. If you have a fear, if you're feeling stuck, don't keep it to yourself. Share it. That's great advice, and I talk a bit about that in the book as well, and really surrounding yourself with people who have your back, but also avoiding. The asteroids really 'cause it's got a bit of a space theme as well. And avoiding the naysayers who won't have your back.'cause sometimes they're good to have around 'cause they can give you an objective viewpoint. But you want people on your support squad who are gonna help you on your journey is building a business. Because let's face it, if it building a business was easy. Everybody would do it. So it's not necessarily for the fainthearted. Yeah, that's interesting. But I'm curious, so when you've worked in teams and working with leaders and being a leader yourself, I'm curious, what do you think the common mistakes leaders make in terms of their working with their teams? Or is there anything that you've seen a challenge for a leader or a manager like with that team? Has there been some observations that you've seen that really can cause some pretty bad sort of, Synergy in the team and cultures and also conflict. I'm curious if you've got anything to say about that side. Well, probably not wanting to get into any specific situations, but my observation is, and I think this is in line with the test that you do for people, I can't remember the name, but that shows what conflict dynamic one. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Is the realization that people don't think like us, And this one right and wrong and this one truth because when we put that expectation on other people, there will be conflict. I know there were some people where I worked that were very exact and very, very correct in the way that would get the best result, but there were other people that. Needed some flexibility and then, and they couldn't understand each other. Sometimes I feel like people actually have a lot more in common than they realize, but it's like they're speaking different languages. So I think understanding that people have different personalities and having, I think education like the kind that you, I. Teach and being willing to learn and being vulnerable.'cause it's all a bit scary dealing with facing conflict. Yeah, and I know, you know, I've dealt with it myself in different scenarios, personal and professional, but I know I've been doing a lot of research into the space in conflict resolution and negotiations recently in the workplace. And you mentioned about. Like your hot buttons. And I know that we did a podcast recently and you interviewed me about conflict and the dynamics profile, but how do you actually deal with conflict situations? Because everybody's different. But generally speaking, how would you deal with conflict? Would you address it or would you walk away and have some time out or what's your natural preferred style to deal with conflict? I don't like it, but then I'll also know that. I want peace, but sometimes peace comes from going through the unpleasant situation, going through the discomfort. So sometimes I will need to collect my thoughts and I'll need some time. I never shout or scream, it's just none of my nature. No. What am I saying? I'm just thinking every morning, getting my kids ready for school, trying to keep my calm. Please get, but no, I, I'm not really, yeah, I, I do try to, Be a peacekeeper, and I do try to reason, but yeah, it's uncomfortable. I don't love it. I don't know about you, but since I've mellowed with age, although maybe some people would say I haven't, but I've mellowed with age, but my boundaries are hell of a lot stronger. So now I would perhaps, Speak my mind more, but in a positive way and frame it in a positive way. But also I would be very quick to say how I feel. And sometimes that's good, but it can also be, because sometimes there's something positive about walking away from a situation and having some breathing space to really get your thoughts and think about how you wanna deal with it. But it was interesting because I know we had this conversation about, so the tool that I use in my practice is it measures your hot buttons. And it can measure, like sometimes people can have really high hot buttons, which means that potentially they may be a bit more highly strong and I go into that category, whereas like my partner's so mellow and chilled and he doesn't have those hot buttons as much, but there's still things that would. Aggravate him. And I think we talked about this because you had a blend of both. Like you were very chilled in certain areas, but there was some high hot buttons as well. And I think the beauty of that is knowing like when you are working with people in teams, is knowing where the hot buttons are going to. Where there could be conflict. And you know, for me a big, big hot button for me, and I think we talked about this, was appreciation. I'd like to think I would be very helpful and help people and stuff, but if I feel there's no appreciation or reciprocity, very short-lived and I get very agitated very quickly, it's almost telling in my face like response. And I might not say anything but people know. But I think, and I'm not suggesting I would need praise all of the time, but that for me is a hot button. My partner, he likes. Praise and people say Thank you nearly again, that is a shared common thing that we have. So now being together we're like, oh, thank you, or thank you in that. That's lovely. But I think it's when people don't feel the need, that appreciation. If you are working with someone who doesn't need that, never says, oh, thank you, that was great. I really appreciate that. Occasionally they might not need that, whereas some people. Might, but then there's loads of other things, like loads of other hot buttons that people can have in situations. Human behavior is fascinating. How to minimize conflict but also get to a resolution, and it's fascinating. So I'm doing a lot of research in that area. Going on to top tips, you've obviously got out situations in your life where things might not have been going too well for you, but you've worked through stuff and you've got out and you've been resilient. And you mentioned your job, previous job was at one point you were ready to move on, and I'm curious. Have you got some top tips for people who are feeling stuck at the moment, maybe in a job that they just don't wanna do, or maybe they're in a business that they're over it or they're not passionate about something anymore. And how would you give them some tips as to how to get out of those situations and perhaps live life on their terms? How, what advice would you give from your personal experience? From my personal experience, what I find works for me is, As I said earlier is talking with somebody I find for myself I'll need that, and it's just a sounding board or reflecting back and it just helps clarify things, but it also shifts my energy. I've done this before where I've gone in to talk to someone and I've been all I can. Feel, my nervous system is all heightened and all of this, and by the end of it, something really shifts and I can be in the same situation and suddenly just see possibilities instead of seeing walls, you know? So for me that's important. Yeah, I love that. I love that. And then once you've done that, I guess you can have more clarity to making different decisions. And sometimes you just gotta get away from thinking about business and career and all of that. And remember to do something completely different and fun and look after yourself, I think. Looking after your health and wellbeing needs to, you are the golden boost. Yeah. So I think look after yourself. Yeah. That's great advice. How do you look after yourself? What is your self-care routine? What are the things that you do for you? And I know you've been a busy moment, you've got lots of faith struggling and things, but what is your self-care routine? Well, as I said, I'm an early birthday. Days. So I've actually been getting up early and doing yoga in the morning. Sometimes it's half an hour, often it's shorter for 15, 20 minutes, and it just makes me feel like I've done something with my body. You know, it's good for all the muscles and stretches and all of that stuff, and it's still calm. So that's my little time for. For me, so that's something that I really like to do and music, the fact that I'm still doing music, but a lot of it's for fun or sometimes just simply putting on music to change the vibe or to have fun or to remember to have fun. That can be something I'll do with my children too. Remember to be silly Dance party. You know? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. Maybe we should do one online after this. Don't. You don't need to be. Um, but yeah, I totally agree. Totally agree. Like music is so much fun. It's escapism isn't it as well. It's lovely. I do that as well. I'm always singing and dancing around my home 'cause I can, you know, and it's fun and it does shift your energy, which is really good. So what's the bravest or scariest thing you've ever done? I'm curious, I guess sharing personal stories about myself has been, Brave, but I haven't done it until I've been ready. There's certain things that I've talked about in my life, whether it's like I had postnatal depression or infertility issues, or having had a child with a donor egg and all of these things that I couldn't talk about initially. I could not talk about them. In fact, I had some people who maybe because they've been through a similar thing or whatever, I had this. Expectation on me that I should be able to and I couldn't at the time. Not that there's a need to talk about it, there's no obligation, but there's certain things that are highly, intensely personal that can take a bit of break to talk about when you need to. Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of couples out there. We're going through a lot of those things that you've talked about and all that. When people are going through similar things, I can relate to it because I've got that compassion and empathy 'cause I've been there and done it as well. But I can imagine for you, it must have been a really challenging time in your life. Um, but also you can help other people who are going through that yourself, themselves, in the future through those things. I think you said the power of being vulnerable is so powerful to help others because when you are being vulnerable and sharing some times in your life that have been dark times and challenging times, it enables other people to feel that they're in a safe space to share those. Things themselves. And I think what you said earlier was totally on point about surrounding yourself with people and sharing how you are feeling. So if there's anybody listening to the show right now who is going through some really dark times in some of their own inertia, I think well you's hit the nail on the head before of actually talking to someone and. Someone who you can trust are getting that professional help. Because there's nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed about because I'm sure every listener on the listening the show has been through their own stuff, but they might not share it publicly, you know? Thanks for that. Thanks for sharing that. I'd like to add that. Yeah, I'd like to add that hopefully that you can find someone who understands. Because when I had postnatal depression, for example, and I'd had I I V F, so I had a lot of shame around. I have no place, I've got a. Good, healthy baby. I have no sha sha. I have no business having postnatal depression because I was, I can't imagine how people don't, 'cause it's such a shock. Yeah, yeah. The life changes such a huge shock. But anyway. Oh yeah, I did. But I know what healed me was saying all the terrible things I thought about myself for feeling this way and having people believe in me more than I did. But conversely, if I had shared that, And they said the things I thought about myself, if they said, you have no place feeling like that, you are so lucky. That's silly. How if they'd said all the negative things, I would've actually gone in a downwards bar or, so. That's the other thing I would say is to, if you unfortunately have a negative or unsupportive reaction, don't take that on as being true. Look for someone else to talk to. Yeah, you know what? Yeah. And thanks for sharing that. I think, and I remember having my first child, William, who's now 19, gosh, seems so long ago, but I remember he was a big baby. He was 10 pounds, nine ounces and a huge, I was in labor for 36 hours and I thought everything was gonna go fine. And then I ended up having an emergency cesarean, 'cause it went downhill very quickly. And I remember feelings after he was born feeling well, why couldn't my body work properly in like, Have a yes. Vaginal birth, you know? And I was like, why? So even though he was safe and he was healthy and he was well, and I was, although I had surgery, but it was emergency cesarean, so it wasn't like it took longer to recover because I wasn't, yeah. But I had feelings of, I haven't been able to give birth properly because my body wasn't working properly. But let's face it, it's 10 pound. You know, come on. Who has babies that big? You know? But Yeah. But I remember it took me a while to really get over that, and it was something that I never shared at the time. And in fact, it wasn't something, it was a belief that I had. And I didn't share that until my second child was born and he was natural birth, although he was still eight. PAMs 13 who has a moly. But yeah, he was fitting well. But yeah, I think there's a lot of. People out there who give birth and have these things and it's important. We should talk about this stuff, you know? And I mean, I have friends who have chosen not to have children and that's their decision. And they're fine with that. And you know what, why not? We're, and but also it's not for the people to say, oh, are you ever gonna have a child?'cause that's not helpful to them as well. So, but yeah, we could talk all day about the that and I. It is a big issue. So who inspires you now? Who inspires you to grow your business and do what you do? I'm curious. You do, definitely. Thank you. I didn't pay you to say that, by the way. I didn't know who inspires me. Oh gosh. So many people. People that I know, I mean, my clients inspire me and a hasty who does mindset coaching and she does sound healing and her, her realness and bravery and vulnerability that she shares her strength. I admire people who share their weaknesses actually. That's one thing. That's one thing I like about her too, that she shares that I met someone fairly recently who does that too beautifully. It was just Suzanne. Kohlberg and a famous world stage. I like Gary V I really like how he has a positive message and he reminds people to not be affected positively or negatively by compliments or criticism to go within. And that's something really resonates. So I think anyone who follows their internal compass is something that I. Admire. Yeah. Yeah. And I know for myself, and I haven't followed my intuition or that internal compass. I might get it so wrong. And life is a learning journey. I don't sit there and I tell people, although I've written a book about, called the Momentum Mindset with Jonathan. I don't wake up every day and I slap my way through the day and go, yay, I'm so, I'm alive. I'm ama, you know, that's bullshit. We don't do that. What I do do is I put strategies in place to be able to make sure that the self-care routine's in place. I'm happy. I'm loving what I do, and I enjoy what I do. I surround myself with really lovely people who have my best interest at heart, but also I have their best interests at heart. So what was lovely when I went back to Perth and had the book tour there, it was lovely to see. A lot of people who I've worked with over the last nine years since I've lived in Perth, and one lady came in and said, oh, it's like the Vicki Mains fan club. And I laughed. I was like, oh, you're so funny. But you know what? It was lovely to see people and just people who want to support you and go on the journey with you. And I think that's really having that support squad and having that reciprocity is really important. And you could call me anytime. We could have an off the record chat and you know that. Vice versa. And I know we're part of a LinkedIn group and we help and support you. They're sharing things and like, and comment and stuff online, which is good.'cause it helps us all, doesn't it? And it's really important. Mm-hmm. Couple of final questions. You've talked about what success looks like for you in the future, but any other final remarks or top tips that you would give to people for who really want to grow their business and live their best life and enjoy what they do? And any other top tips that you could give that you haven't mentioned already? Start imperfectly, make mistakes. That's. I guess going back to singing, that's another thing I learned from singing. Make as many mistakes as you can, as fast as you can and Right, which means putting the ego to one side, doesn't it? So, yeah. Yeah. No, that's really great advice. So how can our listeners find you online? Where do they go to? I've got my podcast so you can go over to Magnetic Pod as in short, for podcast or pod of people that support you or whatever you want to make that mean. My. Business is Livi Music Media. L I V V I. Google me. Look at my website. I've got, that's my handle everywhere too on Instagram and yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. I'm on LinkedIn, so anyway, we'll have links in the show notes. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Thank you so. So much for coming on the show today. It's been lovely chatting to you, and we could, I could talk all day about women's stuff around the, you know, we talked earlier about things. Thank you. And I really appreciate you coming on the show and I wish you so much success in what you're doing and I know you've personally helped me out as one of your clients working with you on the podcast, and I wish you all the success in the world. So thank you very much and look out for season three of the Getter and Viscosity podcast coming very soon. Thank you. Thank you.