Venturing into the Abyss of Ghostly Encounters and Historic Horrors

Have you ever felt the chill of a ghostly presence, or wondered if the places from horror films existed in reality? Join us as we reveal our eerie adventures through haunted locales that bear a sinister resemblance to scenes from "The Exorcist," and share tales of our own spectral encounters. Our recent descent into the shadowy depths of the Lehman house, Lemp Mansion, and St. Alexian Brothers Hospital unearthed a trove of ghastly history and spine-tingling narratives. The darkness didn't stop at photography in a haunted Aunt's house or a midnight sojourn through Bella Fonte cemetery; we also glimpsed the possibility of serial killers like Jack the Ripper and H.H. Holmes lurking in the Lemp Brewery's cave system. We round off the discussion with a foreboding look ahead to our next destination: Zombie Road.

Imagine waking up to a scene that seems plucked straight from a paranormal thriller, complete with paramedics and disorientation. We walk you through this unsettling experience and our remarkable day at the zoo with Jackson, where our family outing crossed paths with the supernatural. As we recount our ghostly encounters along Zombie Road, we can't help but tease our next venture into the unknown—the abandoned corridors, and the promise of untold stories and chilling specters beckons us, and we invite you, our listeners, to come along for the ride. Stay with us—if you dare—as we prepare to brave more unexplained phenomena and share these spectral tales.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Good evening everyone. It's Melissa and and Pobesa and Strange, strange Beyond Insane. So we have a little recap of the last episode we did. So that was pretty much about Lehman, the Lehman house in Lent Mansion.

Speaker 2: 0:16

And St Alexian Brothers Hospital, and a little bit of the exorcism that took place there also was made into a movie the Exorcist.

Speaker 1: 0:26

Oh, you guys, we didn't tell them in the other episode. We did go to the aunt's house. Oh yes, we got a bunch of pictures.

Speaker 2: 0:35

But unfortunately there was people that lived there. Yeah, we're just like. We were still out there at 2 am and taking pictures, yep, and taking videos. It creeps me out, I know, oh, my God.

Speaker 1: 0:51

So. And then the cemetery that we went to, bella Fonte, right, yep, okay, so now we have some more stuff that we did so before the night, that we went to Lent Mansion, that we did an overnight stay, we did a walking tour, historical walking tour of. Go ahead, I'll let you.

Speaker 2: 1:13

So it was the cave system that was in Lent Brewery and the guy was really cool. He was really informative.

Speaker 1: 1:24

What was his name? Because you got us our shirts.

Speaker 2: 1:28

Yeah, I don't remember his name.

Speaker 1: 1:31

He's St Louis Paranormal Society right.

Speaker 2: 1:34

I believe that's what it was. I think you're right.

Speaker 1: 1:37

I can't remember that guy's name. He had really creepy eyes. Very nice though, one of that like going through your soul. Like peering in ice blue eyes.

Speaker 2: 1:51

Yep, and that place was. I mean, the tour itself was really cool. It was a walking tour and when we got down in the cave system the guy told us about how there was a serial killer. Or was it in the 90s or 2000s?

Speaker 1: 2:10

I think it started in the early 90s.

Speaker 2: 2:13

Yeah, and what they were doing is they were killing these people and putting them in the cave system, in like little cave rooms, and they were killing them by taking the cables, the electrical wires and cables that were in the ceiling and they were using that to kill their victims.

Speaker 1: 2:33

Strangle them to death. Oh, my God, remember when he picked up the one cord he's like right here, here's a cable cord that was probably used to strangle one of the, and it were like oh okay, the police didn't take that for evidence. Alright, dude. And then the bat that flew out. Actually, multiple bats they were huge.

Speaker 2: 2:57

Those creep me out. You know how I feel about anything that flies or has more than four legs.

Speaker 1: 3:02

I know, oh God, here you go.

Speaker 2: 3:06

And then he was also saying something along the lines of Jack the Ripper might have went through those tunnel systems. Yep, because, don't forget, the Chicago Fair was in Illinois, but that's only like four or five hour drive, which back in that day was a train ride. That would take probably a day or so. But what exactly did the guy say? I know?

Speaker 1: 3:37

About Jack the Ripper. Yeah that there's reports that were made that Jack the Ripper was seen through the caves and like through that downtown part and he also said that he thought that there was like a copycat of Jack the Ripper and that maybe they conspired together and that so the copycat or partner, you know killing partner, if you will, took it through the 90s into the early 2000s.

Speaker 2: 4:09

And you know it's funny that you say that now because like obviously no one's going to know who Jack the Ripper is, but in my heart I believe it is a guy named HJ Holmes and he did have a partner called Benjamin Piesel or Piesel, who he ended up killing, but for a long time he was partners with him and like the insurance money scams of like somebody dying and collecting their insurance. That's so maybe. Maybe it was the two of them escaping from Chicago.

Speaker 1: 4:48

Yeah, and you know people like Okay, so obviously we're all crime junkies and we love all the weird shit. Okay, all of us and and I morbid myself, I mean not that I think it's cool to you know, like watch stuff on murders, but we all know.

Speaker 2: 5:10

I'm just like you though.

Speaker 1: 5:12

But we all know one thing there's been a lot of copycats and people that are like sick of the fucking head and like want attention or fame, or Maybe they just get pleasure off this shit, like I'm sure that there was a lot of people if there was any Thing with Jack the Ripper and HH homes because this, these killings, these strangulations went on through the 2000s.

Speaker 2: 5:36

Yes, and like I mean I think Jack the Ripper he had a different, like he would be cutting open his victims. Yeah, these ones are getting strangled.

Speaker 1: 5:45

Yeah, he was gruesome. Yeah but then I remember that guy saying to the tour guy, tour guide, whatever, oh, okay, where's I might. Oh that he, that Jack the Ripper could have started strangling women down there to throw off the authorities.

Speaker 2: 6:04

Oh yeah, he could change his ammo.

Speaker 1: 6:06

So I don't know, but that was pretty cool, though that the Another thing I highly recommend to go do is go down to those caves through st Louis. That that was like it was. It was really Eerie and it's deep down. Yeah, I was gonna say I didn't realize how big of a system it was gonna be oh, that's right, the paranormal society there or the historical society, whatever they, they own that, they own parts of that cave, the caves.

Speaker 2: 6:33

Yeah, they do investigations there, but I don't think it was available while we were there.

Speaker 1: 6:39

No, well, even if it was remember, we were going to limp.

Speaker 2: 6:42

Yeah, that's true, we wouldn't have had time, uh-uh.

Speaker 1: 6:45

All right, do you want to talk about zombie road now?

Speaker 2: 6:50

Before we talk about Zombie Road, can we talk about my birthday and what happened, because it was so sad and devastating.

Speaker 1: 6:59

Your birthday.

Speaker 2: 7:00

Yes, Remember when we went to go to the bars I was so excited. I was telling you all about the way we were going to the stand. I was so pumped to show you around. It was like quickest.

Speaker 1: 7:16

Oh my God, and you know we can see it. So then we go to this bar, the only one that's actually open since, you know, post COVID, and it's a predominantly black, which, like, we're done with that. You know we like hip hop and shit. You know, come on, we're from Detroit area, dude, me and her walking, you guys, I mean, I'm tanned, right, I'm just, naturally I'm like olives get and eat crazy here. It's very, very bright, white, with green eyes. We walk up in this bitch and everyone's just staring and I'm like uh, I did not make a skill Welcome.

Speaker 1: 7:50

So I was like fuck this. So we went in the back. I was playing that basketball game. You know my basketball games.

Speaker 2: 7:57

So after that, because it was fucking devastating, we went to the casino and we blew like 50 bucks each in like five minutes, five minutes.

Speaker 1: 8:07

That was depressing. She even, she even tried to channel her grandmother, and I don't think grandma was with you.

Speaker 2: 8:14

No, grandma was not with me that night. No, she's like fuck you. She's probably pissed cause I got another nose piercing.

Speaker 1: 8:23

Okay, so before we did that, remember we went to the wax place. That was cool.

Speaker 2: 8:28

Oh yeah, there was like a, a store that had like it's almost like what is the big one called?

Speaker 1: 8:35

The wax museum. What is it Like, the wax museum? Yeah, yeah, it was just like that. There was a little mini version. The rock was in the window. Yup, yeah, I got a picture of you with the rock.

Speaker 2: 8:47

Mm, hmm, the only time I'll ever see him.

Speaker 1: 8:51

Um God, who else? It was really cool. Then we met a cool police officer, yup, and then we walked around. It was a fucking ghost.

Speaker 2: 9:00

Oh, we watched a bunch of it, oh, we were trying so hard to get tattoos and that did not happen. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: 9:04

You read my mind. I was just about to say that we were trying to get tattoos in like the worst way and like either no one could take us to, like the next day we were leaving, or they. It was like minimal, like $115 to just start and we're like or no, it was more than that, it was like 200.

Speaker 2: 9:22

It was like one one 50, but it was more than what we were willing to pay for a small ass tattoo.

Speaker 1: 9:28

What were we going to get again that deep Define the floor? Yup that one, and that's like French right.

Speaker 2: 9:40

Yup, which St Louis is a French town.

Speaker 1: 9:43

Yeah, yeah. Well, I did to get to take you. I want to take her to breakfast brunch. We found this hippie-dippy place. It was so cool and they let us smoke, but of course this one gets a little muffin. I'm like that's what you're getting for your breakfast brunch. She's like that's all I want. She got iced coffee. Of course I got the eggs. Man, I was like girlfriend, I'm gonna eat.

Speaker 2: 10:10

You know how I am. I don't eat breakfast, but I wasn't that early Doesn't matter. I'm one of those people that could go all day without eating, but come like eight o'clock at night I want everything in sight, yeah.

Speaker 1: 10:23

Yeah, so, um, okay, so then and then, and we went to the zoo. Oh yeah, we did, we bet your girlfriend what was her name? Becky Becky. Yeah, she was really sweet, and her husband right.

Speaker 2: 10:38

Yeah, brian, shout out to them, yep, hi. And so we went to the zoo with Jackson, my son too.

Speaker 1: 10:45

And I was so fucking tired. It was so hot because it reminds you, okay. So we didn't get to our hotel room until like three o'clock in the morning and Jackson was. It was like probably the sweetest moment I ever had with your kid and we were all laying in the bed and Jackson was rubbing my back and he was and he goes, shh, get some sleep. Oh Remember, oh, he was such a sweetheart.

Speaker 1: 11:10

I was like oh my, you want to stay with us the whole time, we're not gonna take you to your grandma's. And then so I, so you know Chris and her one girlfriend, this doesn't get to see a lot. I wanted them to catch up. So I was like, hey, I'm gonna go stay in the truck for a little bit, probably, take like a little nap and I'll see you in like an hour. So I get out to the truck and I get a fucking ticket. I parked in the wrong spot. Of course, the zoo was free, though it was a really nice zoo. I just it was. Everything was like in a circle. So I was getting a little corn fused. I was like, wait a minute, what side am I on? It was very pretty, though very clean, very, very clean.

Speaker 2: 12:07

Yes.

Speaker 1: 12:09

And then we went to zombie road. Okay, so why don't you give them a little back story about zombie road?

Speaker 2: 12:15

Okay, so zombie road, it's also known as Lawler Ford Road. It was originally constructed in the late 1860s to provide access To the river that it's next to and then the railroad tracks alongside the river, so it is still open, like there's like a trail and where, uh, railroad tracks are anyway. So it's supposedly haunted, which I Don't know. What did you think, was it?

Speaker 1: 12:57

So we actually didn't sleep and we walked through there in the morning like down in these woods.

Speaker 2: 13:03

And what time in the morning we're talking like.

Speaker 1: 13:06

Five in the morning, I think. So, yeah, it was Frippy, it was really fucking creepy. And then my ankle like it was starting to hurt and I'm like my ankle's hurting and this bitch is just trailing along. I'm like girl, I'm dying. Like normally, like I love to walk, like you know, I love walking right, and I look down I'm like my god, my ankle swollen. She's like, well, let's leave. And I was like no, like we already walked.

Speaker 1: 13:31

We probably walked at least two miles, and then we sat and we hung out. We like play the spare boxes and stuff, and then so then we got okay. So then we knew we wanted to go back there later. So we went back to the hotel we took, you know, we hung out, took showers and stuff got right or just got fresh, freshened up or whatever, and then we went to sleep, or I did for a little while, and then you slept later and then we went back to the zombie road and it was so we were on the train tracks and we were like Hearing all these. It sounded like little kids like running around us. I'm like what the fuck is going on? Yep, and she had found out even before you read that off, that it was. There was like native, like burial grounds back.

Speaker 2: 14:15

Yeah, it's the site to one of the largest Native American burial mounds in the country, and so, like legend is that, like it's American Indians, confederate rebels packs the ghost children and the tortured souls of men killed in the industrial Accidents that happened alongside the road.

Speaker 1: 14:38

Yeah, I was actually getting like really fucking creeped out.

Speaker 1: 14:40

Like that we were hearing like whistling and then like all these like oh and then there was that car there, remember, and it looked like he got out of the car and he stood there and we're like, what is this guy doing? I remember he walked back to the woods and he never came back to his car, yeah, and I was like, oh my god, I hope he's not going to. You know why, right, right, like off himself or something, because that's what you think about. Like three o'clock in the morning, what was he doing? Um, so we were just, we're just ghost hunting. Yeah, I know, right, like the normal thing to do the same thing, to do Exactly.

Speaker 2: 15:17

Exactly.

Speaker 1: 15:18

So she was like let's go back in the truck and just hang out and like do some recording. So we were in there hanging out and we were bulking kind of creeped out. We're like this is going to kind of get weird. And then here's the weirdest thing that happened Time lapse, right. This happens with all of us a lot, especially in this field. We do not remember falling asleep.

Speaker 1: 15:40

We didn't even remember being at fucking zombie road, so we wake up to bashing our windows and we both like look at each other, we look out the windows and there's paramedics on both sides and we're like and I'm like where are we? And she's like I don't know. And I'm like, wait, where did we go? Like we, it was like we didn't even remember going back there. It was so fucking bizarre. And then the cops were behind the paramedics.

Speaker 1: 16:08

But the I figured the cops when it came up to the truck to like talk to us never, never came up to us. So we rolled down the windows and the paramedics are like are you ladies, okay? And we're like, yeah, yeah, we're sorry, it's really weird. We don't remember, you know, falling asleep. And they're like something like are you guys under the influence at all? We're like, no, not at all. We're like we're actually like ghosts hunting, we're on vacation and they're like, oh, okay, and they just went away. And then the guy remember the guy, I think, on your side, on your side of the truck goes you might want to move your truck because like you're in the middle of the path, yes, and I'm like what?

Speaker 2: 16:52

Yeah, we were blocking the entrance to one of the parking lot.

Speaker 1: 16:56

I didn't even remember being there, though.

Speaker 2: 16:59

I don't either, and like literally. Why would?

Speaker 1: 17:01

we have parked there. I don't, I don't. I'm telling you we were closer to the train track, so I think something moved that I don't know. It was so bizarre, waking up like that, like we fucking skedaddled out of there and like the parent, one of the paramedics, I remember he said, oh, you can stay here, just move your truck. And we, just we were like we're out, we out.

Speaker 2: 17:23

Yup, we equate the interaction with the police that weekend. I'm still baffled that, like I didn't even remember, like falling asleep I didn't remember being at that part of that park, I'm like normally you would take a quick power nap, but for me to fall asleep other than when you start driving home from the place I'm usually I don't fall asleep in the car.

Speaker 1: 17:52

Well, we were both out stone cold.

Speaker 2: 17:54

Oh yeah, we were. That was scary, Mom. Let me hook up to that.

Speaker 1: 18:01

I was just so confused. I'm like what the fuck just hit? I'm like wait, what time is it? And I think you said I think it was like six, 30 or seven, 30 in the morning.

Speaker 2: 18:11

Yeah, it was just when the sun was getting coming up.

Speaker 1: 18:16

Oh, and your recorder didn't record. Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, you were pissed. I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 2: 18:26

I wonder what we would have gotten.

Speaker 1: 18:28

I would love to know what was in the truck with us, because I do not remember parking there, like why would we be in the middle? That was like the actual park part. We were backed by the train tracks.

Speaker 2: 18:40

Why, when we started, remember that red bunch that was next to the train tracks.

Speaker 1: 18:46

Yes, yeah, we got pictures of that.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Mm. Hmm, that was that bunch gave me the creep.

Speaker 1: 18:51

Yes, it fuck. Yes, it did, and that whole, and I just got to shake that whole we were sitting there. That is where we heard the whistle Like mm, hmm, yeah, and it was creepy as shit. And then that guy I don't even know Like we were. I think we heard him and he was like across, over by like the other part of the woods, and we're like, ok, someone just showed up here and what are they doing?

Speaker 1: 19:17

Right, and he gets out of his car. I remember he it was like a sedan he gets out and he walks through the woods and never came back out.

Speaker 2: 19:27

No, flashlight, nothing.

Speaker 1: 19:29

No, like the middle of the pitch black, like what? And this is like forestry back there. It's very thick.

Speaker 2: 19:35

Yes, other than the actual path.

Speaker 1: 19:38

Yeah, it's very, very dense. So we were like what the fuck is happening? Yeah, yeah, I don't even know what time we fell, so I don't remember. I remember us talking like we were running apps and like a spare box and next thing I know they're tapping on our windows and I'm like it was very shocking to wake up like that.

Speaker 2: 19:59

Yeah, it was. It was a good story though.

Speaker 1: 20:03

Oh my God, crazy, crazy. Then we went, got our nose pierced, we got second holes. Yeah we did. Then we went, we drove around, looked at old churches, beautiful churches there.

Speaker 2: 20:18

Yes, yeah, we did.

Speaker 1: 20:23

So the cave zombie road, we covered the cemetery, we covered Lemp, Lehman, Malaxie and Brough Hospital. The reptilian guy.

Speaker 2: 20:33

Yeah, and, mind you, this was all in the course of three days.

Speaker 1: 20:39

What else did we do?

Speaker 2: 20:43

Walked around downtown a little bit.

Speaker 1: 20:45

Yes, yep, yeah. So St Louis. I mean then, you know, paul and I went to there on our bike trip but we went to like the casino or whatever, but I love St Louis. I think St Louis is beautiful.

Speaker 2: 21:00

Longer than the right part of St Louis, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 21:03

Where did you remember when we went to that little, that little diner for lunch that one day? That was in Kansas City, I think. No, no, no, I'm sorry, that was, yeah, Kansas City, Missouri, right.

Speaker 2: 21:24

I don't think so.

Speaker 1: 21:25

It was somewhere in Missouri where we went, but that was. I was like, wow, this would be like the ideal place to live. It was very, very nice. I liked it yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:36

No, I think St Louis is beautiful. Only thing I wish we would have gotten to do was I won't go up the arch, but I wish we would have went and took pictures by it.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Yeah, you and I. Yeah me and Paul did the arch. It was weird, it was like getting into like an alien pond, oh you went in there. Yeah, you don't remember when we went on our bike trip.

Speaker 2: 21:56

Well, yeah, but I didn't know, you went, like, all the way to the top of that shit.

Speaker 1: 21:59

Yeah, I got a bunch of pay. It was weird. You're walking on like a slant.

Speaker 2: 22:04

Yeah. Yeah, it was weird. Did you feel like steep in there? Cause it allows so much room for it to like bend with the bone?

Speaker 1: 22:13

Yeah, I was gonna say it was bouncy. I was kind of like, ooh, like this is really high up there, mm-hmm. It was cool though, but like when you get into like the little cubby to like go up, you know it's like an alien pod. It literally looks like an alien pod from a movie Really. Yeah, it was cool, yeah, but um, yep, that was. I think that sums up our St Louis trip.

Speaker 2: 22:42

Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1: 22:44

Well, thanks for having me on Well. Yeah, thanks for coming on Hell yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 22:49

We had to talk about this eventually.

Speaker 1: 22:52

Yeah, we tried to record all this past summer, last summer, yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:57

We did it by the marina and we thought it was such a great idea and the like. The show itself was so bad asked, but all you could hear was the fucking wind.

Speaker 1: 23:08

The wind and then like the water, like smash it against the seawalls.

Speaker 2: 23:12

Yep, we didn't put anybody to a little sleep yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:17

They'd be like well, we can't hear them, but we can hear the water. Exactly so Well, we'll have to come back on and talk about another place, while you we covered Madison on this podcast. You had yes, we have, you had quite the, you had quite the experience there. Oh yeah, I did. I still want to go back to Simpson hospital. I've never been. I want to go. Yeah, I want to plan it.

Speaker 2: 23:41

Cause that's. That's not far, that's only like an hour.

Speaker 1: 23:46

That's in uh Lansing.

Speaker 2: 23:46

Oh okay, I'm not far, I mean it's a drive but not far yeah, south of Lansing, yeah, so all right.

Speaker 1: 23:55

Well, you guys tune in and we will talk to you guys soon.

Speaker 2: 24:03

Have a good night.