A Journey to the Other Side in the Historic Halls of the Freemasons

Ever felt a shiver down your spine in an empty room, or sensed a presence you couldn't explain? Join us on a gripping journey through haunted halls and spectral encounters as we navigate the delicate balance of fear and excitement in the world of paranormal investigation. My team and I, along with Dawn from Ghost Whispers, probe the edges of the unknown, where personal boundaries are tested, and emotional fortitude is put to the ultimate test. We explore how individuals differ in their engagement with the supernatural, with some fully embracing the energies around them and others maintaining a careful distance, each strategy holding its own in the face of the inexplicable.

Venture with us to the attic where the line between this world and the next seems to blur, a place thick with an atmosphere of mystery and dread. Through the lens of our cameras and the sensitivity of our recording equipment, we capture the unexplainable: orbs of light darting through the darkness, the echo of a disembodied scream, and the curious phenomenon of drained batteries. The raw, unfiltered experiences of our team, and particularly our newest member Kristina, add a rich layer of authenticity to our tale. We dissect each chilling moment, piecing together the puzzle of our reality with every spectral whisper and shadowy figure caught on film.

As we wrap up our spine-tingling session at the historic Masonic Lodge, the promise of expanding our horizons beckons. We tease the potential merger of our Third Eye Eclipse Paranormal Society with Dawn's seasoned investigators, hinting at future collaborations that promise even more thrilling encounters with the other side. And, as we set our sights on a new visual platform, I share the exciting prospect of bringing these ghostly tales to life on YouTube. It's an ambitious venture that combines the raw thrill of the hunt with the relatable challenge of juggling our everyday lives. So, stay tuned and embrace the shadows with us, as we unravel the mysteries that refuse to be ignored.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

That's the concept. I always have a wall up, same that wall up. You're not going to touch me or not going to you. Guys are kind of like I'm here, I'm here, what's that noise? It was like an acing ac. I didn't hear what that was to me. Was he talking? So you heard?

Speaker 2: 0:23

it too, though she was talking about it.

Speaker 1: 0:26

Wait, there's no alchemy.

Speaker 3: 0:29

It's just us.

Speaker 1: 0:31

Talk about the truth. You guys both are like open, I'm here, I want to experience, I want to feel everything. I want to talk to you guys when I am. Obviously she doesn't have a wall up. It's like you can only go so far with me, you can only get so close to me, and you guys are all like I want to feel everything. And I wonder if that's why you guys are getting all that. Yeah, because I got anxiety again now, for no reason. I just feel it.

Speaker 1: 1:07

I got anxiety, like I'm nervous, but I don't feel nervous.

Speaker 1: 1:13

I feel anxious, but I feel chill at the same time and that's scared. But it's like you guys got a little bit of a happy medium. I felt like I had hands down. I wasn't afraid. I was like no, I want to do more, but I felt overwhelmed. How do I have anxiety right now? Because I got nervous. I was going up again first over. I had anxiety. So I had to take a X-ray and half more before. So I was like, okay, that would have kicked in and I felt weird. I came back down, I was sitting on my chest again and remember Tom said too, when we were all at smoking fields, I was sitting on the couch, I don't have anxiety. I had anxiety. I had anxiety. I didn't have anxiety. I didn't have anxiety. I had anxiety. I had anxiety. I didn't have anxiety. I didn't have anxiety. I had anxiety. But wait now I don't like she doesn't, but the two of you. I didn't know what was going to happen. You're a beast, you're a black man. Do you have a protector?

Speaker 3: 2:31

I always check for something with a love and light.

Speaker 1: 2:33

I just do a love and light to the universe. I do the love and light across. I'm in this bubble. You can not touch me. No, I don't. I'm not very religious, I'm more spiritual. Me as a person who just said when I was overwhelmed, we have to leave her and not overwhelm her or catch yourself. I don't hold her alive. I can't believe myself to open up. I want something to happen. I want an experience, all the time.

Speaker 3: 3:07

You don't get experience as an earth man, I don't like her.

Speaker 1: 3:13

I hate not touching me, I mean. I have been trying for a while my first night wasn't like that. The only thing I can feel that made tonight different is adding run. Having a male in here. Did that change the dynamic that much to where? But why are they all standing in line?

Speaker 4: 3:35

How do?

Speaker 1: 3:36

you feel, do you feel wanted here?

Speaker 4: 3:39

I don't really feel anything. The only thing that I felt and I'm not sure if it was actually me feeling it when I went to the basement the first time. I was down there with Doris. Doris asked me if I was feeling something and we were on opposite sides of the room and I said, yeah, it feels like really cold over here, like I walked into it, but the basement was cold too.

Speaker 1: 4:11

But it was a different kind of whole party. So that's why I'm like but then later.

Speaker 3: 4:17

I went down there by myself and I didn't feel anything.

Speaker 1: 4:20

That's my life. Me and my wife. We were on the same bed. We were on the same bed when you were on your stage, the main time we were upstairs. He even said there was something that doesn't want me out there.

Speaker 2: 4:33

Even the whole next day. He was weird.

Speaker 1: 4:35

He was completely different. He stayed up the entire night with me. We were sitting on the couch, we were all on the same room. You talked the entire time.

Speaker 4: 4:45

I don't get those feelings. I was telling these guys, everybody on my team, they fill things and stuff, and I don't.

Speaker 3: 4:56

I don't know why I want to.

Speaker 1: 4:59

You're still new-ish, you've been an investigator for like eight months or something, and on my team he's been doing it for a long time. But now that you're doing it more and more. I think the more and more that you open yourself into it, you're going to get the bigger experience. When you got a, I came in here like Bring it.

Speaker 4: 5:28

I feel like you're more a dirt still, I don't know, because I want to experience it, I know.

Speaker 1: 5:36

But you're not At the same time. What if he does a session by himself in the basement? You feel comfortable doing that.

Speaker 4: 5:46

I did it earlier.

Speaker 1: 5:48

What about a session by yourself upstairs?

Speaker 4: 5:50

I was up there by myself earlier too.

Speaker 1: 5:55

Last time I came, I was doing all by myself. All these rooms Didn't have none. No one else was here with you. I would go off on my own.

Speaker 3: 6:06

I'm going on a long stay at home.

Speaker 4: 6:08

I'm going to have to just.

Speaker 3: 6:10

I'm like don't leave me alone.

Speaker 1: 6:12

I was like this is my first time.

Speaker 2: 6:14

I don't want to be on your team, because I'm always on my own, oh me too, it was fucking weird.

Speaker 1: 6:23

I didn't even click it until we were outside. I was like last night, what were you having me listening to? I just got my recorder on. Oh what a podstance when I was crazy I was talking to her, but it's actually recording. That would be freaky. So I know that we started with the spirit. It listens to us. It's like just like the head, like you and I are. I'm just here behind, I'm about to go get that listening device Right. Yeah, the headphones, that listening device. Man, you could hear stuff, my whole thing. You push that door in here and you're up and fucking around and the thing is about those two, the headphones. The energy really fucking flows through you. It really really drains you the longer you have it on like you have it on, I see it in my house, man, because I have to close my eyes and my family can focus better.

Speaker 2: 7:21

That's why I like that's why I rock.

Speaker 1: 7:23

I try to like take away the outside noise that I'm trying to like listen. That's why I was like when I was taking a picture I was like, don't work for a minute.

Speaker 2: 7:30

Just like to take a picture of your face, which is fine.

Speaker 1: 7:32

I could hear you guys talking you were whispering you were like screaming. I wasn't even going to tell you we loved meeting you guys and hanging out for a little bit. I did somebody voice You're a you're a you're a mind-touching you were the guy. Sorry, no, I've never heard this many disembodied voices.

Speaker 2: 7:57

I never do. This place is wild. I never heard that many. That's why I said I need another. That's why I told my team.

Speaker 1: 8:05

I need another paranormal team to come in here to verify what I know, because no other teams have came in here. It's brand new, so nobody else has been here. It's us. We're like the people discovering this place. Yeah, they're playing, they're trying other things.

Speaker 2: 8:23

Oh I feel nervous.

Speaker 1: 8:24

I'm shaking again, I saw you shaking and I wasn't sure if it was. You know, I don't know if it was shaking, shaking, I feel like that's all.

Speaker 2: 8:33

I was shaking over it.

Speaker 1: 8:35

I thought somebody was trying to take her over, but now I think it's. I think that is shivering. Rushing and I think something's attaching.

Speaker 2: 8:44

I'll try Not negatively, though I don't think they're mean to like the physical.

Speaker 1: 8:49

I don't think they mean to Like what happens if they don't mean to.

Speaker 3: 8:53

But I'm not psychic, you guys, just heard it in bed.

Speaker 1: 8:58

I, you're the exact opposite of me. Am I going nuts? I can't feel shit.

Speaker 2: 9:06

I don't like.

Speaker 1: 9:08

I'm not like you and I'm like one time she went to that West Virginia house and she was like emotional. As soon as she did that third floor, she started bawling. I'm like what's on the issue? Oh no, it just happened on my way. I was like that's it. And that was that room that you thought, oh my God, I'm gonna sleep. First time I go in on investigation with these guys Keep talking. I was looking to see what they were looking at. Keep talking, but when we're talking is when it's doing its thing.

Speaker 3: 9:48

I wanted, I can hear it differently.

Speaker 1: 9:49

And here I can understand it over here. It was the first time I went on investigation with this team and I'm sleeping, savannah and Jennifer, airing two beds, and there's a love secret in Adam and Johnson and the loves of the Adam and middle of the night something pulled out the bottom part of the Adam and I'm like this, I don't know these people. And I'm like, do I scream? Hello, there you go. I can hear it.

Speaker 3: 10:14

I don't like it.

Speaker 1: 10:16

I have something touching my head. Is my hair moving Right near? Maybe I feel like something is going to be. What's wrong?

Speaker 2: 10:40

Okay, you guys. So right now it's at 13 minutes and 42 seconds and it actually recorded until 16 minutes and 59 seconds and it will not let me proceed. You obviously heard Don scream, so I don't know what's going on on this. This is like actually the first time that I literally went through all the evidence. I haven't had time. I skimmed through some stuff, but this is like insane.

Speaker 2: 11:11

This place was extremely active and it's definitely a very strange location that I've ever been to, because I can't really put like. I don't really know what was going on. I feel like there was a lot of different, like upstairs. I feel like there was a trickster on the main level, like different rooms. There were other things going on. There were female disembodied voices, male disembodied voices, something that I believe to be not human. Obviously, in the recordings when we were sleeping, you hear growling. You can hear Ron snoring, obviously when he was sleeping, and, like you know, all of us breathing. You can hear the disembodied voices over that. You know, like overlay. So I'm going to stop this part right here and I'm going to try to get this to play again, but it's blinking, okay.

Speaker 3: 12:23

Can you tell us your name please? Is your name really Challenge? Okay, thank, you.

Speaker 5: 12:42

I just got a question. Is there something on the? I heard that too. There was a whole crash. You guys.

Speaker 2: 12:54

I know that's Now. You see what I that was a good crash.

Speaker 5: 12:59

How did you not hear what your big old ears said?

Speaker 4: 13:01

now.

Speaker 5: 13:02

They're really small.

Speaker 2: 13:05

Over here, a disembodied voice, what I don't think I would have been able to come back down.

Speaker 1: 13:14

This was like I'm not letting you look at yourself.

Speaker 2: 13:18

I'm not scared of heights or that sort of thing. I know I'm not, that's why I went up there. But as soon as I got the feel height, the force got down all the way from the top.

Speaker 5: 13:27

I'm going to go with a height thing.

Speaker 2: 13:31

Now this, but yeah, I don't even know if it's up there, if it's down here, but I seem to be. I'm just getting it About Yato. I'm freezing. What cold I am.

Speaker 5: 13:40

Yeah, I know I feel your hands. What's my system like earlier? But it was going to go up, oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:49

I have a nose, sorry. Yeah, I have a nose, I will stick my nose. That's what I probably. I don't know. That's the thing.

Speaker 3: 13:55

I'm almost.

Speaker 5: 13:55

I want to go Can anyone move it, I'll move Like yeah, I just, I turned around, yeah, focus.

Speaker 2: 14:04

Something just knocked.

Speaker 3: 14:06

Mm-hmm, where's the?

Speaker 5: 14:14

dog Up.

Speaker 4: 14:16

Get out. You want us to leave.

Speaker 5: 14:24

Yes, should we go downstairs for a little bit and let you guys see.

Speaker 3: 14:30

It's really squeaky, don't worry, I'm not sure. Maybe, maybe, no, you can't.

Speaker 2: 16:24

Alright, you guys, so that was what my body cam picked up for a little bit when we just left it up in the attic. We weren't I wouldn't really call it like an attic attic, but it's definitely isolated from the rest of the building, so I'm not really sure what that was, but you can hear something like fiddling with my body cam, like clicking it. All these videos that I have will go up on my YouTube channel. It's going to take some time because I have to upload them to my computer and then put them over to YouTube, but you guys will be able to see like there's like hella orbs just coming at my camera and bouncing off, and earlier when I had the camera on, when we were all up there moving around, there wasn't really a lot of orbs.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Don did say that the owner of the building did message her video footage of when we were all just hanging out up there and something hits me in the chest. It looks to be like an orb. I didn't feel anything but I like went back, like kind of like shot back for a second and then just kept talking. So that was pretty cool to see.

Speaker 3: 17:32

Like.

Speaker 5: 17:34

I heard it Run.

Speaker 3: 17:43

Turn that flashlight all the way off, please, all the way I'm going to give that one.

Speaker 5: 17:51

It's back away, come up Lonely.

Speaker 2: 17:54

What are you? Saying Me I'm not, I'm not.

Speaker 3: 17:58

I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 5: 18:08

I'm not.

Speaker 2: 18:21

I'm not. I'm not I heard that too.

Speaker 3: 18:25

I'm sorry.

Speaker 5: 18:29

There's a body scream coming from the left back of the room.

Speaker 2: 18:34

Yeah, I heard that too.

Speaker 5: 18:37

Maybe this is why I'm screaming. I just heard that phone go off.

Speaker 2: 18:43

I heard that too.

Speaker 5: 18:45

I heard that too. I heard that too.

Speaker 2: 18:50

I heard that too.

Speaker 5: 18:52

I heard that too.

Speaker 2: 18:53

I heard that too.

Speaker 4: 18:55

I just heard that phone go off. I'm sure it wasn't that.

Speaker 2: 18:58

No, it was a scream. It was definitely a scream. It was very, very, very high pitched.

Speaker 3: 19:04

Can you make that noise again? Who screamed yes, something.

Speaker 2: 19:18

Oh, you went. Oh, shut up. Who screamed?

Speaker 3: 19:24

I heard that too. I heard that too. Who screamed? I heard that too. Oh, you guys heard that. It's a total pain.

Speaker 2: 19:36

You can look at me.

Speaker 3: 19:39

Who's Bob?

Speaker 2: 19:41

I usually heard that.

Speaker 5: 19:43

I heard that too. It's a total pain.

Speaker 2: 19:47

It's a total pain. I heard that too.

Speaker 3: 19:50

I heard the TV goes too loud. There's like two downstairs too. There's like two downstairs too Boom.

Speaker 5: 20:00

The lights is rich, christina, can you turn that?

Speaker 2: 20:02

light off for a minute, just because it's blowing on my camera. Just because it's blowing on my camera. Perfect Two, again two must go. He said, two must go. Oh, there goes the bear. Can you guys make the bear move?

Speaker 3: 20:32

Oh, it's dying.

Speaker 2: 20:34

It's dying. It's dying. It's dying Brand new batteries. It's dying.

Speaker 5: 20:43

It's dying, it's dying, it's dying, it's dying Brand new batteries.

Speaker 2: 20:54

Everything's draining it's fucking dry. It drained my K2 too.

Speaker 5: 21:00

It's almost not even draining. Hi, it's dead, it's totally dead, totally dead.

Speaker 2: 21:09

Something just moved over there to the left, you guys, something just moved over to the left.

Speaker 5: 21:13

Matt, did you see this? You're on camera. Send me a video clip of what's-. Something white. I saw a white.

Speaker 2: 21:22

This I seen smoke earlier over here.

Speaker 3: 21:25

Something just moved over here, right in this corner to the left, it's killing all of our fans.

Speaker 5: 21:32

Is that on it? Matt just send me a video clip.

Speaker 2: 21:35

Energy. See if that's what her camera looks like. Okay.

Speaker 5: 21:40

I said oh, I said please believe us this one right.

Speaker 2: 21:53

So there's another fucking disembodied voice.

Speaker 3: 21:58

I thought that was the one. I thought this is up here.

Speaker 2: 22:04

Yeah, this is just now Watch this.

Speaker 5: 22:09

Oh, I missed it. This is. Matt just sent me that that was when I was over here and you were telling me to leave me alone, get away from me, and how everything got distorted. So Matt just sent me that I'm like okay, there was a lot of people who were like I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm like okay, there was a lot going on. Can anybody hear something? There's a flash above me. Yeah, Did you see it? That was wild. So I'm looking at the little lady over here.

Speaker 2: 22:44

Right here, it was right here. It was about this tall.

Speaker 5: 22:48

Watch above my head like something shooting out of me, right here, right here too, watch something shooting out of me. Watch something shooting out of me. Yep, that's what we're showing.

Speaker 2: 22:59

The tape is showing that's all. No, no, no. Let's see if it moves right over here. Yeah, right there too Something ran over there. I'm not even sure if it was a beam.

Speaker 3: 23:18

Oh fuck, oh, the beer moved, we did it. Oh, ice, can I put it up here?

Speaker 2: 23:29

Yeah, hold on, I got a signal, it goes to the left.

Speaker 5: 23:44

Okay see, Did you see that?

Speaker 2: 23:47

I did. I'm going to move it a little bit more and have it highlighted. Something's fucking behind that beer. It's stuck. Something's behind that beer, but you're going to have to really highlight that Because that's hard and I think the only reason why I've seen it is because she moved the phone and I like Yep hold on Let me Something like that.

Speaker 5: 24:23

That's great that you can use for films.

Speaker 2: 24:26

I couldn't help but notice you said to leave the girl on the floor alone towards the end of that clip and or go directly to her. Please be careful. What girl on the floor.

Speaker 5: 24:36

Thank you, oh me no, you're on a chair.

Speaker 2: 24:41

I was like I waited for a couple seconds. I was like I was like that's you.

Speaker 3: 25:12

Oh, there's two of them.

Speaker 2: 25:14

I'm going to lay back on the floor and try to listen to everything. Oh, it's got a little dizzy. What else? What other words?

Speaker 3: 25:31

did we get.

Speaker 2: 25:34

I hear you, Carl, I'm by your side. Healthy One man here, Done. These are the words that came up.

Speaker 5: 25:48

I hear you. It's relevant because I just told you guys downstairs how to listen.

Speaker 2: 25:54

Yeah, you told us down there.

Speaker 5: 25:55

yeah, yeah because they were talking about it. Yeah, that's. You don't want to say anything about the spirit. I think you need to go outside to talk about them. Carl, I'm by your side. I'm by your side.

Speaker 2: 26:10

I can't believe my bear already died. Do you need batteries? I have more down cells. Yeah, I can think what's that thing?

Speaker 3: 26:18

What's that thing?

Speaker 5: 26:20

No, it didn't die or it's not died. It's an I've been here 300 years. Holy shit, holy shit. That's a long time to be here, are you native Severed.

Speaker 2: 26:47

Are you native?

Speaker 5: 26:50

Numbers, numbers.

Speaker 3: 26:56

Can you hear the flashlight back on please?

Speaker 1: 26:59

What.

Speaker 5: 27:00

Religious, religious. So, yes, are you native American? Yes, I'm out. Where are you? Where are you from architecture, which is one of the local churches? We like to have it more. Thank you, you don't have to even tell us tonight if you want to leave. Goodbye, I understand.

Speaker 3: 27:29

I understand, I understand, I understand.

Speaker 2: 27:35

This is a slew of evidence. This night there at the Masonic Lodge was super fucking chaotic, super adventurous and fun Chaotic in a good way. But I do want to make a shout out to Dawn and her team, the three members that were there. So Dawn is ahead of the team, if you will like, senior investigator, and Doris Um. I met Doris years ago. I met Don two years ago in um Eloise, and then there are other team team member, ron. They were great to investigate with Um.

Speaker 2: 28:11

I would say that you don't have to have a psychic ability or like a certain something that you specialize in um to investigate or to take a liking to this and have passion Um. But I will say this and I do believe that Don has the drive and passion to continue with this location um, because it is so untouched by investigators. I think this is right up Don's alley Um. I would love to see her make this her home base. I even told that to her. You know just kind of we're sitting with her that she has such a passion and drive for this place and she was definitely um drawn to this location and I cannot wait to see what I'll say get um if we are invited again, which she did say that we can go back sometime. Um, I, I, I would love to go back with them and investigate. I would also like to bring our team too, um, and, by the way, so Don's team is called the ghost whispers. Um, look them up on Facebook. I know she's on tic-tac, I'm not sure if she's on IG, um, but also I'd like to merge, you know, and do an investigation with her team and our team.

Speaker 2: 29:23

The third eye eclipse, paranormal society. I would love to see what it bringing some more men into the mix there, because she does believe, like she said earlier um on the episode, that she feels like the dynamics were a little different, bringing Ron so um, I do want to point this out too. So, run, they kept confusing the spirits, kept saying that his name was Eric and then, dawn, we kept getting Adele or Adele. Um, let me go through my message she did send me. So they're very smart about um looking through their evidence. They were looking through like census reports, um, in that timeframe, I believe in the late 1800s, and they did find, I think, adele for last name. Okay, right here. So Don says Adele could be Adele or L I'm sorry, l Dell. So Adele or L Dell. So she said she's thinking she might, may have found who she is and she's thinking that's her last name for now. So let me read this report. Okay, so this is Elise I'm sorry, elsie and Estah. Then we have Thomas Bostic.

Speaker 2: 30:45

Okay so Adele Chesnut, who was born in Ohio and her death occurred many years prior to his own, in 1871, when she was in her 17th year. They were both earnest members of the Methodist Church and possessed the love and admiration of a large circle and friends. So I mean, we did get a lot of names but, like I said, I just feel like something pulled dawn to this place and this place keeps pulling her back. I know that they just recently went, I think last weekend, and today is um February 28th. So she has been there I think three or four times now. Um, this place is fantastic.

Speaker 2: 31:30

Uh, like I said, there's just so many different Um occurrences going on here. There's a lot of different names, a lot of different Types of evidence or slamming doors there's, you know, Softly opening doors, or disembodied. I mean, like I said to you on the recording, I have never heard that many disembodied voices Continuously at a location. So I had the time of my life. I, like I said, I would definitely like to go back. Christina also had a lot of fun. Um, this was Christina's second real um, um, you know paranormal adventure, if you will like an investigation at a location. She's been to a lot of places with us, but she's never Stayed overnight a lot at um other locations. So we took her to the Hinsdale house first and then, um, you know, we did other things, you know, in between that time and then. This would be her second real location and Christina and I are going back Um just in over a week somewhere In Illinois and I will be talking about that in the near future.

Speaker 2: 32:33

But anyways, I am going to put all these videos up on youtube. That's why I started a youtube channel. Um, my husband, my brother, um friends, even, you know, paranormal enthusiasts, have recommended this to me several times and it's not really something that I wanted to. Um, I guess. Add another thing to do, even though I love to research and I love podcasting, um, if I could do this for a living, obviously this would be my dream job, right, but with work and, you know, life it it does Make it a little bit difficult sometimes um, to dedicate like one whole day and night, because a lot of this evidence Will take me anywhere from. You know it could be four to six hours. Sometimes you know eight to ten hours of just going through everything. But I did find that some videos that I had already had saved onto my computer. It was very easy to upload to youtube and I am already really liking youtube. So I will need help from the husband.

Speaker 2: 33:31

I'm getting everything, all of my newer evidence, up on there. So give me like a week or two, but I do want to establish that channel a lot more, because it is cool to see the video content along with the podcast. So I will be merging them at some point. I'm not really sure how I'm going to do that yet. Um, again, I'm still, you know, learning all this on this.

Speaker 2: 33:54

You know social media and the podcasting. So, um, yeah, so in the near future, look for that, and I will be announcing it when I do have a lot more um, recent content up on youtube. But, yeah, I cannot wait to post a lot of the video content because I think, even if you're not a believer and and I love people that are skeptical because Even if you look through some of this shit, you watch these videos and see and hear for your own eyes. Um, you're gonna be baffled and you're gonna at some point be like you know what the fuck is this and how do I explain this? That's what I love the most is the unexplainable, because it's always good conversation pieces and it's something that never gets old. So In the near future that will be up, but for now, thank you guys for tuning in and we'll be talking soon.

Speaker 4: 36:11

Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.

Speaker 3: 38:11

Hmm, hmm, hmm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm.