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Welcome, Isabel."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":197.48,"endTime":200.26999999999998,"body":"Thank you,"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":197.48,"endTime":200.26999999999998,"body":"Debra. I'm really happy to be"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":200.26999999999998,"endTime":202.57999999999998,"body":"here. 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So,"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2794.59,"endTime":2798.13,"body":"I know that this is open source."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2794.59,"endTime":2798.13,"body":"How can other others contribute"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2798.13,"endTime":2801.2200000000003,"body":"to PLOT4ai and what type of"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2798.13,"endTime":2801.2200000000003,"body":"perspectives are you seeking?"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2801.44,"endTime":2804.71,"body":"Yeah. Together"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2801.44,"endTime":2804.71,"body":"with my partner, we built a"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2804.71,"endTime":2808.46,"body":"website. Also, within a escape"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2804.71,"endTime":2808.46,"body":"in GitHub. So everybody can"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2808.46,"endTime":2814.19,"body":"collaborate in GitHub, send"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2808.46,"endTime":2814.19,"body":"feedback, send new threats, send"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2814.19,"endTime":2818.51,"body":"corrections because PLOT4ai, of"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2814.19,"endTime":2818.51,"body":"course, is based on all the"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2818.51,"endTime":2821.51,"body":"analysis of, like I mentioned"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2818.51,"endTime":2821.51,"body":"before, a lot of sources of"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2821.51,"endTime":2824.3,"body":"information, but also my own"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2821.51,"endTime":2824.3,"body":"expertise, of course. I'm not"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2824.3,"endTime":2829.16,"body":"here 'the guru;' I don't know"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2824.3,"endTime":2829.16,"body":"everything. There are awesome"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2829.16,"endTime":2832.37,"body":"people there outside who can"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2829.16,"endTime":2832.37,"body":"really share the knowledge and"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2832.37,"endTime":2835.01,"body":"make it community-driven, too."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2834.42,"endTime":2840.06,"body":"And the same goes for for the"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2834.42,"endTime":2840.06,"body":"card game. You mentioned before"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2840.06,"endTime":2843.27,"body":"about that 25 Euro - I really"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2840.06,"endTime":2843.27,"body":"sell the game without profit."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2843.51,"endTime":2847.17,"body":"So, it's the same price I get"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2843.51,"endTime":2847.17,"body":"from the from the printer. So"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2847.17,"endTime":2851.01,"body":"anyway, in the amount of boxes"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2847.17,"endTime":2851.01,"body":"that I bought, that's how I sell"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2851.01,"endTime":2854.04,"body":"it. As always, the privacy"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2851.01,"endTime":2854.04,"body":"engineering profession, what I"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2854.04,"endTime":2857.94,"body":"would like to say is that keep"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2854.04,"endTime":2857.94,"body":"there, keep growing; but also,"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2857.94,"endTime":2861.87,"body":"don't lose the view of. . .it's"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2857.94,"endTime":2861.87,"body":"not only technology that I like"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2861.87,"endTime":2865.92,"body":"to advocate for. Eventually, the"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2861.87,"endTime":2865.92,"body":"main goal is to really protect"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2865.92,"endTime":2869.85,"body":"us all from whatever could be"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2865.92,"endTime":2869.85,"body":"out there. We do our best with"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2869.85,"endTime":2873.57,"body":"technology; but eventually, it's"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2869.85,"endTime":2873.57,"body":"not only about the technologies."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2873.57,"endTime":2878.9700000000003,"body":"It's a mutual effort for the"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2873.57,"endTime":2878.9700000000003,"body":"people. Regarding AI, yeah, just"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2878.9700000000003,"endTime":2886.59,"body":"collaborate with PLOT4ai, which"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2878.9700000000003,"endTime":2886.59,"body":"will help to create a more with"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2886.59,"endTime":2892.2000000000003,"body":"the world. AI will really just"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2886.59,"endTime":2892.2000000000003,"body":"make it fun. But yeah, I will be"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2892.2000000000003,"endTime":2893.9700000000003,"body":"really grateful as the community"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2892.2000000000003,"endTime":2893.9700000000003,"body":"grows."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2894.17,"endTime":2896.6,"body":"I agree. I think"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2894.17,"endTime":2896.6,"body":"those are great words of wisdom"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2896.6,"endTime":2899.57,"body":"- that there are humans behind"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2896.6,"endTime":2899.57,"body":"the personal data. I think"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2899.57,"endTime":2903.86,"body":"that's uniquely different from"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2899.57,"endTime":2903.86,"body":"other areas, like security, or."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2903.89,"endTime":2906.23,"body":". .I mean, obviously, you have"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2903.89,"endTime":2906.23,"body":"to protect and secure people,"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2906.23,"endTime":2909.17,"body":"but a lot of security is about"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2906.23,"endTime":2909.17,"body":"securing systems and networks"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2909.17,"endTime":2912.35,"body":"and things that have nothing to"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2909.17,"endTime":2912.35,"body":"do with personal data. Right?"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2912.35,"endTime":2916.94,"body":"So, privacy is contextual and"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2912.35,"endTime":2916.94,"body":"all privacy has to do with...and"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2916.9700000000003,"endTime":2920.4500000000003,"body":"data protection...has to do with"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2916.9700000000003,"endTime":2920.4500000000003,"body":"people behind the technology."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2920.48,"endTime":2924.71,"body":"So, I think that's a great way"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2920.48,"endTime":2924.71,"body":"to close today. Remember to"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2924.71,"endTime":2926.51,"body":"think of the people and protect."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2924.71,"endTime":2926.51,"body":". ."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2926.51,"endTime":2929.69,"body":"Some beautiful"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2926.51,"endTime":2929.69,"body":"words, and I think sharing is"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2929.69,"endTime":2934.16,"body":"caring. So, let's work together"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2929.69,"endTime":2934.16,"body":"to to make it better."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2934.64,"endTime":2937.4,"body":"Well, thank you,"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2934.64,"endTime":2937.4,"body":"Isabel for joining us today on"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2937.4,"endTime":2939.38,"body":"The shifting Privacy Left"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2937.4,"endTime":2939.38,"body":"Podcast."},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2939.92,"endTime":2943.1,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2939.92,"endTime":2943.1,"body":"doing such a great job for"},{"speaker":"Isabel Barberá","startTime":2943.1,"endTime":2945.02,"body":"advocating for the profession."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2945.29,"endTime":2947.9,"body":"Oh, you're very"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2945.29,"endTime":2947.9,"body":"welcome. Thanks for joining us"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2947.9,"endTime":2951.32,"body":"today. Until next Tuesday,"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2947.9,"endTime":2951.32,"body":"everyone, when we'll be back"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2951.32,"endTime":2954.7400000000002,"body":"with engaging content and"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2951.32,"endTime":2954.7400000000002,"body":"another great guest, or guests."},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2955.46,"endTime":2959.2400000000002,"body":"Thanks for joining us this week"},{"speaker":"Debra Farber","startTime":2955.46,"endTime":2959.2400000000002,"body":"on Shifting Privacy Left. 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