Road Trip After Hours w/ WWE Hall of Famer Teddy Long and Host Mac Davis

Ringside Nightmares: Wrestling’s Scariest Legends

Mac Davis and WWE Hall of FamerTeddy Long

The lights are low, the music hits different, and the stories feel a little more dangerous. We open the door to wrestling’s scariest era—when monsters like Abdullah the Butcher and Bruiser Brody weren’t just characters, they were walking question marks. Teddy Long and Mac revisit the moments when kayfabe felt airtight, blood looked too real, and even the locker room held its breath when certain names showed up on the board.

From a hilarious, tense rib on the notoriously tough Butch Reed to the unspoken rules of receipts and respect, you’ll hear how the old code worked and why it still matters. Teddy takes us back to the nights he wore the stripes for the Horsemen, the Midnight Express, and the Rock ’n’ Roll Express, and how learning in that crucible shaped his journey from ring crew to SmackDown GM. Along the way, we talk about how social media changed the magic trick, why selling is a lost art when egos get loud, and how the best wrestlers make their opponents shine.

We also get into today’s headlines and hidden gems: Vince Russo’s creative move to JCW, the real value of a WWE draft versus leadership that steadies the ship, and the community energy that’s moved with us as we build this channel. Then we hand out overdue flowers to underrated women who held eras together—Molly Holly’s precision and generosity, Jazz’s raw credibility and strength—and why their work still teaches the craft. Expect seasonal nostalgia, candy corn slander, and plenty of live chat love as we keep the conversation honest and fun.

If you enjoy the stories, hit subscribe, turn on notifications, and share this with a friend who misses when wrestling felt a little scary. Drop a comment with your pick for the scariest wrestler of all time and the most underrated woman who deserved more—let’s hear your card.

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SPEAKER_01:

On the first day of all Hallows Days We're screaming bastards in a punch bowl second day of all Hallows Day The Screamin' Besty's in a full screen that she's doing up to screen and batteries do not win.

SPEAKER_00:

Hi, Teddy. There is a different opening, a little bit different music, but of course now it is a special holiday edition of Road Trip After Hours. I'm your host, Mac Davis, and that of course is WWE Hall of Famer, Mr. Teddy Long. How you doing, Teddy?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh, I'm doing just great. And uh, I'm gonna say this. Uh, I'm gonna have to apologize to you for all the bad things I've said about you for the music. Uh, this was great tonight, that opening that music and everything I thought was outstanding. So if uh you could just keep that up, you know, we could get along.

SPEAKER_00:

Now I gotta tell you something. I found a place where you can find music that you can use uh that is not been on the radio charts anywhere. This is just independent music, or it's made by, of all things, artificial intelligence. That's not the case on this one. Uh, but man, I gotta tell you, I was surprised. I was because all day long after I put that video together, that song was bouncing in my head. There's something catchy about it. Uh, I wish it were more of a just a traditional thing that we could use all the time. But while I'm saying that, I did receive, and I don't want to say who or anything else much more, other than I did receive a special song made for you and I for this radio show or for this uh podcast. This is not a radio show. What are you doing? Hey, look, man, you know it is oh, I don't know what's going on with you.

SPEAKER_04:

That is there's something seeming to be happening to you every every week. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_00:

It is working with you. Okay, let me ask you, Teddy. This is a Halloween edition of Road Trip After Hours in professional wrestling. And and those of you who are watching right now, want you to chime in too if you don't mind. Who were the best monsters or scary individuals in professional wrestling? Teddy.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh I have to say Abdoodle the Butcher uh was one of them.

SPEAKER_00:

Um it was just and Abby was a little bit different than like the what today's scary kind of uh characters are. And back in his time, you really didn't know what about Abby. You I mean you kind of believed this guy was nuts, and even like Bruiser Brody, another person that was that way, you weren't sure if he if it was his head screwed on all the way, you know, you weren't sure.

SPEAKER_04:

And those guys would never tell you nothing, you know what I mean? They just come just come straight out and attack you out of the blue. So you know you would them, you got to be ready for whatever coming.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and you know, I've heard stories too that the even the wrestlers in the back, uh you know, on TV taping days, if they found out Ebby was gonna be who they were in the ring with, they would pack their stuff up and go. They would not stay for the you know to do the match because Abby was known to be, you know, he he was he was stiff, yeah, man. He was. That's the best way to put it. Uh any other monsters you can think of, uh Teddy, that made an impact on you? I know for a lot of people who are watching, they're gonna immediately go to The Undertaker, you know, because that was so hot during the Attitude era and everything else. But um, I I really wonder if there's even scarier people than him that were in professional wrestling. Anything that comes to mind for you?

SPEAKER_04:

No, not right offhand. I I don't. Um Golly, there was one other guy there that uh I think he started in the WWF. Uh another guy, golly.

SPEAKER_00:

There's one here that Dave Crone uh is throwing at us and he's saying the missing link.

SPEAKER_04:

I remember him. Uh he he wasn't real scary. What to me? Okay, uh yeah, don't let me discredit him, but yeah, I remember him. In fact, uh he he was running a gym in uh Charlotte for Steamboat, and uh I went and worked out there.

SPEAKER_00:

And you know, there was uh was it the Samoans back in the early days when they didn't say anything. I mean, they just came to the headhunters and stuff like that. You know, that we were still living in a time where you can almost believe that that was legit, and these guys were crazy like that, you know. And I think that's why we were probably more prone to think so about the older days than the new days, because in today's age, you get it. You know what I mean? Back then, you didn't get it, there wasn't social media. All you got were you know pictures that people may share, or the magazines where you see Abby bleeding everywhere and all his opponents. That was, I mean, you'd go to a match, you didn't want to get around him because you were afraid you might get hurt too, you know.

SPEAKER_04:

That doesn't exist much if you got in his way, you'd get hurt.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Zach Minger saying National Candy Corn Day, Mac and Teddy. Hey Zach, good to have you in here and uh back at you, my friend.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, thank you, man. I'm sick of that dog's own candy corn. I did get some of that from public. Uh Jesus, I'm just burnt out on it.

SPEAKER_00:

You know what? I love candy corn, but it's one of those things that if you eat too much, it will make your stomach hurt a little bit. So you can only eat it in little portions, and I'm not that way. If I eat a bag of candy corn, I'm eating a bag of candy corn. So that's just how I am. Uh another name that came up here from Jesse Wilkes. Hey Jesse, good to see you. Viscera always creeped me out for some reason, he says. Well, viscera was the real deal. But uh story before, Teddy, about viscera. Uh, but uh and I don't think we've done it on the live show, but he asked you to get him something or you gave him something, and there was an experience with that. Can you tell that?

SPEAKER_04:

Why are you making me do that? So, you know, back that that was a time after, you know, I was um I'd been selling uh Viagra to the guys, and um so we went to, you know, I'd been to wrestler's court, I had me in court, everything. I lost my case in court, so I was having to buy chicken and beer and some other stuff for at least a month. I had to pay much as well. So uh best wrestler, now the way I'm trying to pay my fine is I'm trying to, you know, keep hustling. You know, so I told so Vista, you know, I I I I told him about it. I yes, you know, I told him I turned him on to it. So uh about uh let's see, about three hours or so later, he comes and he finds me. And he says to me, he says, hey, he said, I look down there. Who does that belong to? Who's that? Oh he was, oh yeah, he said he had never seen that before. He said, Yeah. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh so he uh uh so I but I had a loyal customer.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see, he here's a uh question that kind of came out of nowhere and I almost skipped over it. Uh Dave Crohn saying, was Jim Ross racist, Teddy?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I I never had no problem with with Jim Ross. You know what I mean? I mean, I've you you know you heard different things from different people. So I like I always say, we're all racists, is that when we take the word evil and we mix that with racism, then that's what makes it bad. But we all racist. I mean, I got neighbors, I don't really, you know, I cared for them because, you know, they didn't, and y'all can tell they didn't want to be bothered with me, but we didn't cause nobody no harm. I wasn't over there trying to destroy their property, they weren't over trying to destroy mine. We just stayed away from each other. We didn't say nothing to each other, and that was fine with me. So uh that that's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I've always said this, and I I and people I get a lot of hell for this too. Uh, people ask, how do you work with so-and-so, or how how do you deal with this person? My experiences with an individual is what I judge them by. Period. I don't care what may have happened between Joe Blow and him as well. As long as that's not happening with me, they're good as gold. Once they screw me, there's a whole different story. But I judge people on what I see and what I receive. Wouldn't you say that's about the best way to go, Teddy?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, like I always tell you, I always pay attention what people do for me that they didn't have to do. Yeah. That's when you know it's real, okay? Because I've had, you know, another white person come to me and tell me something about another white person. And I know that wasn't supposed to, that wasn't supposed to happen. So, but he knew that I was, you know, something was wrong there. And he just came to smart me up about it. And so that's who I paid attention to, a guy that came and told me something that he didn't have to tell me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I I think too, a lot of times that uh it's we throw the word racist out there a little bit too uh freely uh for a lot of people. And and I this is one of those cases. I'm sure that uh Jim has probably done or said something that somebody took the wrong way, and uh and maybe uh rightfully so. Uh, but like you say, Teddy, haven't we all done something stupid that we're all you know guilty of this, that, or the other? Uh and it's the truth. Um let's go to uh Dave Crone again, Sting versus Vampiro graveyard match. You know, I don't remember that match. I remember they worked together for a very brief time. Uh, and I think it was more that Sting just didn't feel like it was working between the two of them. He didn't feel the you know, the the he was an easy dance partner, let's put it that way. Uh let's see. Uh we have Playa Teddy. You have your own YouTube page called Playa because your picture is right there.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I don't have that. That's not that that's somebody that's a fake page there.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, is that or he's just uh acknowledging the Mr. Teddy because he's saying, Teddy, just checking in to say I'm a huge fan. Much love, Playa.

SPEAKER_04:

Hey, thank you. Much love to you, Playa.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see what else we got here. This thing's moving rather slow. I don't know if it's me. Uh no, no, no, hang on. I don't want to do something, so I want to try to get back out of that. No, no, no. Pretty classy lady saying, Hey.

SPEAKER_04:

All right, how is she doing today? Good to see you. Well, good to have you with us.

SPEAKER_00:

Pretty classy lady, you gotta tell me, uh, whereabouts are you from? I'm I'm curious because you've said a couple things on here that had me kind of scratch my head and think, Do I know this person? Uh so uh yeah, you just give us uh at least a region or something, you know, uh that we know where you're from.

SPEAKER_04:

He's flirting pretty classy, lady. I can tell you what he's doing right now.

SPEAKER_00:

Hello, Teddy and Mac from Houston and I.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, that's Miz John Smith. You know my man uh him and his son with the podcast that we did.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I do remember. Yeah, and I hope things are still going well there for him. And uh by the way, if you want to be a part of the program, we haven't even had a chance to say this. All you gotta do is leave a message in the chat room. We'll throw it up on the screen, and boom, you're a part of the program. But in the meantime, we do have to step away. You know, there's been a lot of talk about shoes in WWE. Here's the latest.

SPEAKER_01:

I love those letters.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's find out what you got to say. Oh boy!

SPEAKER_00:

This Teddy's favorite part of the program. It's always going inside the mailbag where we get to ask Teddy. And Teddy, uh, let's see, our first question is from Otto in Michigan, who asked, What was the best rib you ever witnessed? It's not saying you are a part of, just one that you've witnessed.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, okay. Uh I this one was really good. It was one night I was managing uh Butch and Ron. They were uh tag team Doom. So the rib was on Butch Reed, okay. So I was part of the rib and never the reason that made me part of the rib.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, hold on. I just I want for those who may not know Butch Reed, Butch Reed uh was uh he was a very real guy, and he's not somebody that I would first think to myself, let's play a rib on Butch Reed. That's not somebody you would do that with. So somebody actually had the balls to do a rib on Butch Reed.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, God rest Butch is so, but the rib came because they threatened me. Either I was gonna get beat up, or if if I didn't go and tell and put a rib on Butch, or they were gonna put it and they were gonna tell him it was all my idea.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no. So either way, you were screwed.

SPEAKER_04:

Right. So so they so they made me go tell Butch after we just got to working. Okay, Butcher took a shower and, you know, had put on all his clothes, cologne, you know, and everything. He's ready to go. So they had got the Butcher told him it's that uh the main event must have been a tag. Somebody got hurt there and they said that uh, you know, we're gonna have to work again. So Butch, you know, he looks at me, you know, he says, You shitting me? I said, I'm the Butch, how about something telling you, man? They say we gotta work again. So now he gets, he takes off all of his clothes now after he done showered and everything. So he gets back into his, make a long story short, he gets back into his wrestling gear and he gets he starts to taping up his arms and everything, and that's when uh somebody ran in and told, oh, wait, butch, you don't have to work now. The guy the guy came or something, something they said.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, oh okay, so I gotta ask you this, Teddy, because like I said, Butch is not somebody that you want to play with like that.

SPEAKER_04:

I took off.

SPEAKER_00:

You already knew what the next question was. How long before he I mean, you had to face him sooner or later. What happened?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, he's I I didn't see him to the next day, you know. Because I think I wouldn't ride, I wouldn't ride with him and run then. I think I was with somebody I don't know, but anyway, he was he'd come at me the next day too about it. I'm like, Butch, man, you know I wouldn't have done that, man. They was gonna get they told me they was gonna beat me up if I don't do the you don't do what they say, man.

SPEAKER_00:

So wait, did he ever get back? Who by the way, who was the who was ribbing him? Can you say that?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh yeah, I'm trying to I those Steiners.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, well, yeah. Now, yeah. Well, if somebody's gonna mess with Butch, it would have to be the Steiners because they're gonna have to be able to back up that rib a little bit.

SPEAKER_04:

So yeah, and and that, and you gotta do what they said. If you don't, then you become the culprit. They they they yeah, you're next in line.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's not something you want. Uh Jessie Wilkes uh Mac Mackin laughing his ass off. Yeah, yeah, I'm Mackin in here, yeah. Uh, and Ms. John also saying, We won Best Sports Podcast in Detroit. That's great news.

SPEAKER_04:

Congratulations, congratulations, you guys. Great, great to hear that.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see. Uh, Monkey Mania is running wild. And let's see, what else we got? Oh, pretty classy lady. She's answering that question. I'm from Atlanta, but it's funny because my mom has family in Dublin. You might be my kinfolk, Mac.

SPEAKER_02:

Who knows?

SPEAKER_00:

No, I mean, you know, one thing that a lot of people are one thing that a lot of people are not aware of is that Teddy and I, uh when we're talking about it.

SPEAKER_04:

No, no, no, no, no, no, ain't no Teddy and I, it's just you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. When we when I go to shows and Teddy and I are at a table, uh, if if Teddy steps away, you know, I always tell people, I'm his twin brother. Well, how can I help you? You know, and and and some people aren't quite sure how to take that because I'll be serious about it too. So he really is.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, he really is serious, too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, all the time. Uh let's see. Uh the natural. Uh Dave Crone, the natural. What about the natural? I guess um you're not a big natural butchered.

SPEAKER_04:

That's where okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the natural butchered. You're right. Yeah. Let's see. And he was a real cowboy too, wasn't he, Teddy? He did. I mean, he was three of them.

SPEAKER_04:

He rode a horse up in Rufus R. Jones Bar.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see. Uh Ms. John's asking Teddy, what was your favorite match that you refed?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, I don't know, man. I had a lot of matches, maybe because basically I was the only referee. So, you know, I worked so many. But basically, I enjoyed working with the horsemen. Those are guys that made you work. You couldn't play around. Uh, working with the Midnight Express, Rock and Roll Express, uh, referee and them, those guys were another great team to work with. Just so many people back at it back then, you know, that would work good workers, and you had a chance to work, not only work with them, you had a chance to learn from them. That's the main thing you want to do, is learn. So uh I, you know, I had the opportunity to be in uh in the right place at the right time.

SPEAKER_00:

And you know, I it was funny because I've told Teddy this before. Um I remember Teddy really more so from WCW days and the NWA back when he was over there, because I remember his face in the matches and some of the big matches that took place with some of the biggest names in professional wrestling. And that's where I first uh knew Teddy. You know, he was a referee, and then he became the manager, and then he got over to SmackDown, became you know the longest reigning general manager. And uh I to me, the climb from where you came from, Teddy, when you and and even before that, even before you started way back in the NWA, you know, uh being a referee, you were moving a ring around, traveling, putting up the ring, doing whatever you had to do, that's impressive as hell. And and it is it's cool to me to be able to say I've seen the lifespan of your career because I grew up during that time to watch it happen. Uh, and and that's one of the things. And I've talked, like I said, I've told Teddy before, I'm highly impressed by what he's been able to do in this business. Uh, and he earned every freaking bit of it too. Uh anybody that tries to say he didn't earn something, go screw yourself. He's earned everything he's ever gotten.

SPEAKER_04:

Uh let's and the thing, you know, that they're mad at me for doing my job.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yes. Yosef saying, Hey Yosef, good to see you, man. He says, Hey Mac, I'm here because of Brodown. Yeah, man. Uh, any of you guys that are popping over here on a Thursday night with us, uh, that have switched over to uh Road Trip After Hours on YouTube, much appreciate that. In fact, we ask that you do that. Uh, share this around. Uh, ask people to subscribe and hit the notification uh button. We're trying to grow this channel, and uh, we have moved from Sports Kita because they closed down that particular side of their business in a streamlined effort for the company. And uh because of that, uh Teddy and I are trying to grow this channel a little bit more uh and make it more accessible to more people. And as a matter of fact, uh Bill Aptor, who used to work with us on Sports Kita, he'll be popping over here every once in a while. You can ask him questions as well. Uh from the heyday of the aptor mags and pro wrestling illustrated, inside wrestling, all those great mags from that time. Uh let's see, we got a few more things in here. I'm I'm trying, we got a lot of people in here. We certainly appreciate that too, by the way. Uh we have Dave saying we miss you guys in St. Louis. Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to getting back over there. I really am. St. Louis is a great place to go, especially for wrestling. Uh, he's also saying, uh, what happened to the jobbers, the skyscrapers beat up after the show in the dressing room?

SPEAKER_04:

No, they didn't beat him up in the dressing room. They beat him up in the ring. It it it took place in the ring. Um, I don't know whatever happened to it. Well, basically just was only one guy. This one guy just, you know, just being an asshole. So uh they had to, you know, let him know no, this is the real, this the real way tonight.

SPEAKER_00:

Wasn't it over? They weren't selling, isn't that what it was?

SPEAKER_04:

Wasn't selling and uh, you know, just clowning around, man, just you know what I mean, just wasn't taking it serious.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's only been a couple of times in wrestling, in independent wrestling for me, that uh I had the person wasn't they weren't bumping, they weren't reacting like they should be. And I, you know, I would lay something in, you know, to make it look real. And it was real. Uh, but more times than not, you you know, you shouldn't have to do that.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, you have to have to protect yourself. If somebody out there that's gonna make you start look making you look like a clown in the ring, then you have to you know do what you gotta do. Protect yourself at all times.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh let's see. We have Joseph Brunan here saying, Good evening. Hey Joseph, thank you for coming into the room. We appreciate that. Uh also uh let's see, Joseph. Uh do you and Teddy think Russo will make JCW like Attitude Era, especially Teddy being ref in 99 Russo era. Um I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but I will say this. I know that Vince Russo is going over to Juggalo Championship Wrestling. Uh, and he is doing some writing for that group over there. Um, I think it's a good blend. I think these, you know, him and uh that company could blend very well. Uh, you know, time will tell. We'll see. I hope so. I hope so for everybody involved. Uh Teddy, anything you want to say on that?

SPEAKER_04:

No, I I don't even know anything about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. I didn't think you you did, but uh yeah, let's see. Playa. It's weird for me to look at somebody that has your picture on it. Uh Teddy, we need a WWE draft soon. They gotta call you up to sort those rosters. I don't think that's gonna help them. Uh I I think they need to get Teddy there for the uh the actual job of running something because that's what's gonna help in the end. Teddy loved you. This is from Yosef. Uh Teddy loved you as a WWE ref. Then you and Mac, that thing song hit so hard, Teddy. Uh, you were the best GM ever in WWF history. Holla holla holla.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, thank you very much. And holla holla holla back to you, Claire.

SPEAKER_00:

Dave saying, Teddy is a legend. I'm 51. Uh been watching him since elementary school in the little studio. Yeah, man. Those were good days. I, you know, I don't know why, but I I look more fondly on those days of wrestling than I do any other time, even more so than the attitude era. And I think it's because it was that sweet spot when I first fell in love with the sport of professional wrestling. And I think that's always going to be that era that I love so much. Yeah, uh, let's see. Uh pod twist Jones. Hope all was well. Super Laste. Look, I hope I don't know what that means. Lost day, lost. And let's see, pretty classy lady. Mac, what are you dressing up for as Halloween? Uh, a ghost. My lights will be off on the front porch. I'll have no candy waiting for little kids when they come by. I'm gonna have the door locked and the dog on the front porch to scare them away if they try the em to attempt. No, wow, no, I'm just teasing.

SPEAKER_03:

No, you're not. No, you know, you're you're a scrooge, I'm telling you right now. You're a real life scrooge, I'm telling you.

SPEAKER_00:

I want to tell you something. This is the honest truth. We haven't had trick-or-treaters uh come by the house. I bet you I don't blame them. Well, no, it's just all the kids around here are grown up, and there's nobody young anymore that comes around trick-or-treating. And I miss that because I did enjoy uh being at the front door looking at the little kids dress up and come up and get to talk to them. I did enjoy that. Uh, but and I even my grandbabies, they don't have that much. Like years ago, you could just about go to any neighborhood and go trick-or-treating. Well, nowadays you got to go to a festival somewhere that's a little bit safer where you can get those candies, you know, the trunking treats and those kind of things. Uh, and that's sad because I enjoyed the days of Halloween when I was a kid, and I got to go house to house, ring doorbells. It was nighttime, it was a little bit spooky, but it was a lot of fun. Uh, and you know, unless you were a real troublemaker, you should have done well and got a lot of free candy in the process, too.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you did.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh man, well, yeah, you know, and I but you got a lot of donuts too at that time. You probably got donuts when you were growing up. Oh, they made donuts when you were a kid.

SPEAKER_04:

No, they didn't never heard of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I forgot, you're right, because they didn't make the wheel yet at that point. That's right. Yeah, Reggie B fine. What's up, Theodore Alone? How are you doing, sir? Reggie B fine here.

SPEAKER_04:

You know him, he's out of Memphis. Uh he worked law and for many, many years, man. What a great, what a great, what a great guy, man. Reggie, good to hear from you, player. Glad to know you're still kicking. And uh, yeah, man, just uh thanks for checking in with us.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, man, always good to have you through here. And uh Yosef saying, Teddy, what would you do if Triple H made you booker or creative? Could you turn it around? WWE is like 94 to 96, WWF New Generation Era was okay.

SPEAKER_04:

So ain't no use of me true trying to figure out what I would do because that ain't gonna ever happen.

SPEAKER_00:

No. All right, let's see. Uh 40 Chris is in here. Uh, I always hit up the house with the cooler out front. Uh you always hit up the house. Oh, yeah, with the cooler out front. Yeah, you just go up and grab as much as you want. Yeah, a lot of people did that. And by the time I got there, there was no candy left. But Teddy, that's it. Man, we have uh we've actually gotten out of time. I'm trying to see if there's another couple questions I can throw in here real quick. Uh yeah, I do want to get one in here because this came through uh our uh podcast channel. I didn't know we had mail we could get there, and uh, I found some mail in there. Uh, Christian from Buzz Sprout, your thoughts on the Meg Sicools and what happened to Hooventu Guerrera's run in WWE. Do you ever see him coming back and maybe wrestling Ray Mysterio one day?

SPEAKER_04:

No, I don't see that. I don't see that happening. You know what I mean? I think Ray is pretty, you know, I I can't really speak for Ray, but Ray to me knows that he's had a tremendous outstanding career. And I think Ray's about ready to try to, you know, and try to enjoy the rest of his life. And so, uh, like I said, with Hooventwood, I mean, I I just don't see it.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, it was uh Hooventude, uh, did you get to work with him at all?

SPEAKER_04:

I mean, did you say uh WCW when he they when they first come in? Conan brought him in.

SPEAKER_00:

Was he difficult by any? I mean, no, yeah, we didn't really see much after uh WCW. You really just didn't see him like you did at one time. And he was I thought was a great talent.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, he was all right. Like I said, uh there were uh uh who was I just speaking about uh Conan. He he uh though they worked for him, and Conan was like the booker, he and he brought the guys in from Mexico, so he was one of Conan's guys.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that was one of those situations where Conan really helped out uh a group uh a great deal, much like uh uh what was the uh LA Oh and TNA God, this I can't remember right now, but he had a group there too, uh, that he put together. Conan again, he's one of those guys that is legit when you talk to him. He's serious about you know uh professional wrestling. It's not a joke to him, it's it's a job, it's serious, it's something that he he takes to heart. And uh so a guy like him is is only helping these young guys, and he's helped out a couple of groups of guys when it came to tag team wrestling that were just outstanding. Uh, and I wish I could remember what the name of the one in TNA was. Uh if anybody knows of uh throw it up there real quick. Uh, we got Troy Donna, sorry, uh Terry Donnahu in here saying, Fellas, hey brother, good to see you in here. Uh and let's see uh the Australia trip, uh C Dub. Um okay. Uh LAX. Yes, thank you, uh C Dub. I appreciate that. It was uh Conan's group in TNA was LAX. Yeah, that I thought that was uh an incredible uh group of guys when that came along, and that had a lot to do with Conan. Uh let me I might get you a couple more things in here real fast, Teddy. We're gonna go over just a few minutes here. Bernard in Florida writes who is or was the most underrated female star in professional wrestling? Wow. I can think of somebody off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_04:

Probably probably Molly Holly.

SPEAKER_00:

She was extremely talented. But do you think do you think that maybe it was the inability to really be charismatic on camera and uh and with a microphone that held her back?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, no, I don't. I think it was the way that they were trying to use her, you know what I mean? I think you know, may she may have had something to do, you know, with uh how she wanted to be used on the TV. Well, she's a woman, you know, so she she has the right to you know to question that. Uh, but uh I always thought she was great and she could good promos and stuff, but um I'm like, yeah, I felt like she was just underused, underrated. She they didn't give her what I thought she she deserved.

SPEAKER_00:

And and such a sweet individual. Yeah, man. I mean, I mean, good to the core. I mean, just how she is.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, yes, she was.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's see. We have um Renee Adams popping in and saying, Hey guys, how are y'all doing? Doing great.

SPEAKER_04:

All right, man. Hanging in here, player.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, uh, we are at that time, Teddy, where uh we do have to ask. Uh, I'm not gonna get into the name association, I'll save that for the fall-in show. But uh, let me ask you uh from tonight, uh, any of the questions you want to pull uh for the question of the night?

SPEAKER_04:

Uh golly, man, we had so many good ones there.

SPEAKER_00:

By the way, I do want to while you're thinking of that, let me mention that Chris uh C dub is uh in here and saying, Crystal for marrying Teddy. Molly was great. I love me some Alicia Fox. Well, I don't know what you're talking about, but he's talking about uh the most uh about the ladies, uh the most under uh rated, you know, uh female wrestlers. I another name, too, by the way, Teddy, while we're talking about that, Jazz is one of those I don't feel ever got uh what she should have when it came to uh professional wrestling in WWE. Uh that's somebody that first comes to mind. And that's just because she's from an era that I remember and I know how important she was uh in the development not only of herself, but so many other superstars like Trish Stratus and the other girls uh to make them look the way they looked. It took somebody like Jazz that could do that with them. Uh and so I think she's probably one of those that's you know the most underrated uh I can think of.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I don't know whoever that was, but tell them to quit bringing that name up, Crystal. I keep getting in trouble.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you really? Well, okay, now I'm gonna ask you, why do you oh oh that's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, uh already told you this story.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'm not gonna make you tell me again. All right, Teddy, tell me. Uh poor Denise. Uh bless her a little heart.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm looking forward to seeing Denise going, you know, for Thanksgiving, uh the holiday. Uh I think you know, Thanksgiving Christmas, man. I think people, if you got a family or somebody close to you, you know, I mean, I think that's the time y'all should come together. Even if you don't like the person, just come together as one and you know, and just make that a special day. So uh to be with Denise uh during that holiday, uh, that's gonna be a real special day for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Teddy, uh I well, I'm gonna take the uh the pick from you. Can I can I pick somebody tonight? Yeah. I I I got somebody because when I when I we talked about this question, I thought was one of the better stories of the entire uh time that we've been here, uh, was in the beginning of the show uh when Otto had asked you what was the best rib that you had ever witnessed. Uh and uh I I like the story that we got behind that, and you told us about Butch Reed. So uh if you missed that, go back and uh watch the beginning of the video and you'll see what I'm talking about. Uh so Otto in Michigan, I got your information. I'll send you a t-shirt, and all we ask is that you get a picture and send it back so you can see uh what it looks like on you. We'll throw it up on the screen. All right, uh, let's see. There's anything else before I get out of here. Um, uh yeah, there is another one in here, and that is Terry Donahue, Jazz worked men in ECW that made her look much stronger than the boys there. Uh yeah, because she was legit. Right.

SPEAKER_04:

She was much stronger than the boys there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just how I was. Teddy, I've enjoyed it. Have fun on Halloween. Uh, hopefully, you won't go around knocking on doors asking for candy.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I hope not.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but we know you will.

SPEAKER_04:

That's right. I I cannot be trusted.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't want to go out there in the bushes and jump out when the little kids come up on the walkway.

SPEAKER_04:

So yeah, see it, see what I'm saying? Just evil.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, we're out of here. We'll see you again next week, seven o'clock Eastern Standard Time. Uh, we do this live every Thursday night, and we might have a special guest next week. So stick around and we'll have somebody you might be able to ask questions to uh along with today. We'll see you then.

SPEAKER_04:

Holla.