Texts, warm milk, and ‘Boom’ shirt – Mackenzie Shirilla’s Leap Day appeal

Mean girls rule by fear – the gossip, the condescension, the ostracizing – it’s all designed to keep them at the top of the food chain and others around them so scared that no one holds them accountable for their cruelty and corruption. 

Some people take whatever mean girls dish out – no matter what – because they’re afraid of becoming the next target of bullying or rumors. 

Queens of mean don’t deal in facts; they deal in toxic drama. No one wears that tarnished crown better than Mackenzie Shirilla.

The 21-year-old Ohio woman is serving 15 years to life in prison for deliberately crashing her car into a brick wall at speeds of 100 mph. The 2022 crash killed her boyfriend, 20-year-old Dominique Russo and their friend, 19-year-old Davion Flanagan. 

Thousands of recently released texts between Shirilla and Russo, show that Mackenzie, who was 17 at the time of the crash, threatened, insulted, and talked down to him repeatedly while they dated. She treated the young man more like an ATM and a whipping post than a friend or companion. 

After years of this abuse, (they’d been together since she was 13), the messages show he wanted to break it off with her because he thought it was best for both of them. 

She was not having it. 

And the texts she sent her own dad Steve Shirilla, are enough to make any normal parent and child cringe. She demands he rub her feet, bring “warm milk” to her room, and fetch her bougie Starbucks to-go orders. 

In our latest episode of Gulf Coast Confidential, “Texts, warm milk, and ‘Boom’ shirt – Mackenzie Shirilla’s Leap Day appeal,” we’re picking up where we left off with Mean Girl Barbie Mackenzie and the more, we learn the worse it is.

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This episode is brought to you by Czarzar Law. I'm investigative journalist Molly Barrows. For years, I've covered the stories that made headlines in Northwest Florida and all along the Gulf Coast. Murder, missing persons, and mysteries of all kinds. These cases are far from over for many victims. Because the full story has yet to surface. Join me for Gulf Coast Confidential, where I dive into the saltier side of the South and expose the lies, greed, and corruption that often weigh down the truth. It's time to turn the tide and get a shot at justice. Hey y'all, and welcome to the Gulf Coast Confidential Podcast. I'm Molly. Hi, I'm Pam. And we are your hosts. If you haven't already, we would love it if you would please like and subscribe. And as always, we would love to hear from you. Leave a comment or a suggestion about a case we cover or a case you want to see us cover, especially the What the Feasy ones. We got a lot of them here. Oh my gosh, so much what the Feasy. I feel like this is just a whole episode of What the Feasy. So today, our main episode, we're following up on Miss Hell on Wheels herself, Mackenzie Sherilla, in an episode called Texts, Warm Milk, and Boom Shirt, Mackenzie Sherilla's Leap Day Appeal. She is, of course, making a last-itch effort to have the Ohio Supreme Court review her case after her legal team made a serious blunder, which caused her previous post-conviction appeals to be thrown out. Well, the case is back in this white hot national spotlight after Netflix released a true crime documentary called The Crash, which in fact triggered a massive release of police records, including jail phone calls and tens of thousands of text messages. So we're gonna have more on that in just a minute. But first we want to touch on a few other cases that we're watching. One is a case with a huge what the feezy factor, and that is right here in Pensacola. A Pensacola woman named Nicolette Keogh, she was arrested for the second time just this month. She was charged in May 2026 with felony criminal mischief after she filmed herself, y'all, urinating on luxury furniture, mattresses, and bedding all inside a local rental property here in the Pensacola area. And this latest arrest follows a previous string of arrests for similar incidents back in March. So basically, some of the key details are Airbnb and other rental homes owners said that she peed on everything and got her video got videos of herself doing it, and then she'd post them on these websites that are into these sexual fetishes where people, I guess, enjoy looking at somebody do that. Lord. And I mean, and we've got her mugshot up and she's mugging for the mug. Mind you, like to your point, she's no Whitney Cheetah. She is no Whitney Cheetah. She seems to think she's pretty cute, though. And I guess what she's seeing is dollar sign. She's like, Yeah, go ahead, talk me up. Oh, yeah. Well, and I mean, her mugshot, you know, there when people that are manipulators or lack of a better word, liars or control people, when they think they're getting away with telling a tale, they have on their face what's called duper's delight. And it's a smirk that they can't help. And sometimes this little part of their mouth, just one edge of their mouth, goes down a little bit. I saw it when my nephew Brandon was going on in great detail and excited about how he killed my sister. That smirk. And every time I go to court, when people are smirking, I've seen it since then. Once you've had it done to you, you can see it over and over and over. So the uh Miss Keo, she's got this duper's delight. My nephew Brandon, ate lot duper's delight. And when we go back to Miss Hell on Wheels, Sherilla, she got duper's delight, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's like they're happy for the attention. And in this case, I guess she sees, like I said, dollar signs because she posts it to these adult content websites and makes money off of it. And in fact, I'm gonna outline a little bit of some of the damage so you have an idea of what's going on here. At one Airb on Riddick Drive, she reportedly caused more than $17,000 in property damage and total across multiple Pensacola rentals. Police estimate that she caused $22,000 in damage. And after her most recent arrest, a judge set her bond at $10,000. Order she'd be held without bond in the Escambia County jail because she violated bail conditions from a previous battery arrest. But now I checked the Escambia jail website this morning and she is out. Yeah, I saw it like the 29th or something. Yeah, she she figured a way to get out. Yeah, she certainly did. And I did talk to the owner of one of the Airbnbs. A woman had reached out to me about a month or so ago because she had subscribed to this woman's channel. It was the only way she could see what she was posting. She knew that she had damaged her unit. She because she'd seen it. She saw the damage. It was disgusting and horrible. And then, of course, she wanted to know what had actually been posted about her property. Right. So she had to subscribe in order to get it. So once you subscribe, but you can't use it for evidence, basically, because it, you know, it's a privacy thing. So she, you know, I mean, you can report it to police so that they know what's going on. But as far as like putting it out there for the public, there's some liability issues with that. But she had been interested in having me do an investigative piece about it. And I thought, well, okay, great, let's let's talk. We'll be glad to interview you. But she didn't want to have her name or her business associated with it, just like all these other rental owners, because they're afraid that it would be bad for business. But what she found, she said when she went on this young lady's Nicolette's adult content website, if you will, was that she was doing it everywhere. That it was the that it's not just about the the tinkling, if you will, titillating people. It is the weird places that they're also doing it. Like she would go to a hotel lobby, she said, she would uh urinate in the coffee makers, urinate in plants, urinate in all sorts of places. And so she said she even notified some of these hotels and told them what she had done, and they also did not want to advertise it or really make a big deal about it because they would they were concerned it was bad for business. But there is a whole niche audience that wants to see this kind of content, and this is what this girl's capitalizing on. I can't even imagine that. Yeah, it's a urinating fetish, I imagine. And I did look that up too, and there are a bunch of people that like that weird stuff. But you know, my family was in the rental business for 40 years, and we rented stuff, and it used to upset me so bad when people would tear up our stuff or uh take out a $400 Faustoria bowl they didn't listen about and they crack it wide open and we gotta charge them $400, but they don't want to pay it because they they don't appreciate what a Faustoria bowl is, but they don't care. It's just like people that rent a uh car, they put a cigarette right out in the seat because it's the rental business. But see, all these folks that own these properties, I can see why they don't want to come forward uh uh with their name or what have you, but it it's if we don't, these folks do this all the time. I know. And it makes you kind of cringe about like I don't even want to go in a hotel if people are doing all this crazy stuff. I know. Well, and as a journalist, you know, you need people to go in on camera. You need them to go, or if you will, or on the record, whether it's on camera or a quote for an article, you need them to say, Hey, this is my name, this is what happened to me, this is my experience. Because as a journalist, you can't care more than they do. Exactly. They have to be willing to put their name behind it, and that's something that comes up pretty regularly. And lots of times I certainly can understand why they don't want to, right? But I can't report on eight anonymous sources about the the pee peer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Plans a colour pee peer. Pets like a peepier. Well, and also like it just doesn't have any teeth because my dad told me one time too, he's like, if you don't have the conviction to say, and I'm not trying to point to be rude, I'm talking about you. That's right. If you just go, well, I'm talking about when people do this, you know, nobody cares. Right, right. Well, Pet School Police did care. So she is facing charges. We'll continue to follow it and see what happens. And you know, if you follow our podcast, you know we've been covering a lot of medical-related incidents lately that doctors charged with crimes, in fact, related to the work that they've been doing. Um, one of those is Dr. Ben Brown, and we're learning more about one of his hired expert witnesses, if you will, a man named Christopher Borgert. He has a PhD pharmaceutical pharmacology, and uh, through his firm, basically applied pharmacology and toxicology. He has been hired by agricultural and chemical corporations, along with Ben Brown and other clients, um, chemical corporations like Monsanto and Bear to provide scientific risk assessments. These are basically providing regulatory guidance as to whether or not Roundup causes cancer, for example, or the processes behind these different scientific studies. So most recently he gathered what he said was a group of like 60 scientists to push back on an effort that people had made to have a Monsanto funded study about whether or not Roundup caused cancer. These two people later came to say, hey, you should retract this study because it was fully paid for by Monsanto and Bayer. And that puts the process at question, how you came to these results. We question these results basically because of the process, knowing that it was fully funded. And there's this real back and forth because in the study it does say Monsanto and Bayer did fund this, they participated, but apparently, according to some, it is not near to the extent, it's not described near to the extent that they were involved, that they all but did the study, and there's this implication they manipulated the results. So Borger is the type of expert that defense people hire who says, We're gonna push back on that. There's no reason to call for a retraction. Poor old Monsanto, yeah, just trying to give you some weed killer, not causing cancer. We don't agree with this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he does it all with a smile on his face and he and then ch-ching into the bank account. So this is the guy that Ben Brown's defense team has hired to basically try to get our local medical examiner's testimony that thrown out because the cause of death that our local medical examiner listed for Hillary Brown, who died after about a week when her heart stopped, as her husband, Dr. Ben Brown, was performing several several procedures on her at his office, restore plastic surgery. This was back in November of 2023. So her heart stopped. Uh, the call, the 911 call went out as a possible lidocaine toxicity overdose. The ER staff uh reportedly uh thought too, because of information that they were given by people who were in the room, that it was also lidocaine toxicity. The health department, Stan Rosa Sheriff's Office investigated. They all looked hard at this, and they basically said she saw. She complained of seeing orange, she started to twitch, she had what was described as grandma seizures, um, and he did not immediately call 911 and he did not have life-saving equipment on hand, and he did not allow staff to start CPR immediately. So there are all these questions about was it lidocaine toxicity? Was it his response to it? But the state attorney's office, the medical examiner said all of that. The health department said all of that. So, at any rate, he's pushing back on that finding in particular, basically saying with this b Borgert fella, that his math shows that the lidocaine levels were too low in Hillary to have caused her to die from lidocaine toxicity. And he has filed what's called, or excuse me, Ben Brown's defense team has high filed what's called a doe Daubert motion, which essentially says she's not qualified to make this call. You know, medical examiners in the state of Florida with hundreds and hundreds of autopsies under their belt, all of a sudden this one is just not qualified. Right. So it is typical in cases, whether it's criminal or civil, to hire experts that say, hey, your expert is wrong. My expert knows what's up. But this guy took the added step of basically sending her a very aggressive letter and and sending it to FDLE as well, which oversees medical examiner's offices in the state of Florida. That's the Florida Department of Law Enforcement I'm referring to. Basically, he sent this letter saying, Listen, I'm not doing this because Ben Brown paid me, although I have been paid to testify for him before at the I I saw him testify at the administrative hearing last fall when his basically they were asking for the state of Florida was asking to have his medical license revoked, and the judge decided not to do that. She opted to recommend a year suspension, and which is what the Board of Medicine ended up uh supporting. So, at any rate, um he testified at that and he was saying that his numbers, that his CV is like the greatest in all the land, and he's an expert, and he's not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but everybody's wrong but him, and Hillary didn't die from lidocaine toxicity. So I just thought it was interesting, too, that Judge Yolanda Green over the administrative hearing, um, she said, quote, Dr. Deanna Olesky, a medical examiner, performed the post-mortem examination of HB on December 1st, 2023. And based on her assessment using a what's called a rule out theory, she concluded that the cause of death was complications related to lidocaine toxicity because it was on the highest on the different it was the highest on the differential. And according to Yolanda Green, she did not examine HB's organs because they were donated. Right. There, but she makes no mention of that. There was also no post-mortem or anti-mortem toxicology analysis to support her conclusion, according to Green. And by contrast, Dr. Borgert credibly concluded that lidocaine was not the cause of HB's symptoms or death. End quote. Now they're referring to Hillary Brown, but basically for HIPAA reasons, they're not using their names. But this is directly from her order. And I was so surprised by this because the state, I sat through those three days of hearing, and the attorneys for the Florida Department of Health said replete repeatedly, that is not what we're trying here. That's right. We're not trying to determine whether or not she died of lidocaine toxicity. They spent so much time talking about that over and over and over again. It was like a pre-amble, if you will, to the defense, I think that we're going to hear this criminal trial because he's charged with manslaughter for the death of his wife. But it's primarily for also complications from lidocaine toxicity, but also primarily primarily for not calling 911 and having that life-saving equipment on hand, not starting CPR immediately, those sorts of things. It's his response. And that's basically what the state of Florida said at this administrative hearing. Dr. Olesky was never even called. Her judgment and wasn't even on trial at the, if you will, at that administrative hearing. Right. It's not a criminal trial anyway, but you know what I'm saying? It's legal evidence, it's testimony. And Oleski was never called. So why would you say you found that this doctor's Borgert, this hired gun, was more credible from than the uh medical examiner who you never even heard from? Right. And we're not even supposed to be talking about the case there. It's his behavior as a physician. Uh and Dr. Borgert, I mean, he's obviously in court so much, I doubt he has any clinical skills or any knowledge or anything about therapy. You just get the biggest, blustery, loudest mouth in there. And each side can do it. But it I I mean, and they hope that the jury, when we do have a jury, is overwhelmed by it because that's what they go by. Because they just want to create reasonable doubt. Exactly. But I'll tell you, if we're sitting in there with the judges hopping up, giving a tissue to Ben Brown, you know, I can't get over that, and I won't yet. He couldn't even find his own effing stethoscope. I know. You know, in the whole damn building. Yeah and yelling, we heard it on the we heard it on the phone. And he was yelling on the 911 call. How much what did she take? What did she take? And she did dick she did ding him for that. She said that there were no records, and it was clear that nobody really knew how much she had taken, but it's almost like she dinged Hillary for that more so than than him. It doesn't matter what Hillary did. He was the one with the medical life. That's right. I don't care if Hillary drank it or whatever. It's not for her to have to do that. And if you have to ask what she took and you still went ahead and did surgery, oh, there there is so much more than this. She she almost seems like she had marching orders. It is interesting. I know I'm with you on that. And of course, he has pleaded not guilty to all of these allegations, and all defendants are innocent until proven guilty. We want to make that clear that these are accusations and allegations. But here's a quote directly from those FDOH attorneys when Dr. Borgert was testifying and she said, Quote, You understand the amended administrative complaint does not charge Dr. Brown with giving patient HB with too much lidocaine, but instead his failure to respond to a medical emergency within the standard of care. Do you understand that? And then he replies, Yes, sir. I mean, ma'am, because this was a woman. So it seemed to throw him off with just a hair. Um, at any rate, a jury, as we were saying, will have to ultimately decide whether or not to trust the medical examiner's holistic view of how Hillary Brown died, or if Dr. Borgert's paid highly specific pharmaceutical, pharmacological breakdowns designed to shield Dr. Brown from criminal liability is what they believe. But that's even if uh Dr. Olesky's testimony or findings can even be presented in court because that's what they're trying to do is get her testimony thrown out. Right. And there's going to be a hearing on that on July 7th of this year to decide whether or not her toxicology opinions will even be allowed at trial. Well, I think the doctor that did the autopsy and the doctor that is right there on board, the doctor that does those all day, every day, instead of this guy that likes to run through airports and go, watch me, just try to blow this up here. And and why are we talking about something way over here when this was the case and the judge is doing it? That's why I'm telling you. Something stinky in the whole place. It surprised me too. And again, I know nothing about administrative hearings. It was the first one I've ever covered. I'm not familiar with that whole process, so that was a learning experience for me. But I was shocked that they basically tried the whole criminal case, in my opinion, right there at that administrative hearing, and the judge was just right along with it. And to actually write down in there, his testimony was more credible than Dr. Lesky, who wasn't even there. You hadn't even heard from? No. You know, so yeah, that's bogus. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. So moving right along, another case that we're following, Dr. Thomas Shiknowsky, of course, he's the surgeon who is accused of killing a man. He's also charged with manslaughter and the death of Mr. Bill Bryan of Muscle Shoals, who went in for some abdomen pain. They determined that he that he was having some issues with his spleen. Uh, Shiknowsky and his team recommended that he have surgery immediately. They didn't want to do it, but he pressured them, according to witnesses, to have that done, to the point that he even stuck his hand in his stomach, according to Beverly Bryan, who talked to us after he was criminally charged. And a reminder, Joe Czar of Czar Law is a supporter of Gulf Coast Confidential. And he's not only representing Mr. Bill Bryan's widow, Beverly Bryan, who is also a supporter of this program, and we appreciate that of her as well. But he's representing her over the death of her husband. But they also have another case to get another case, excuse me, against Shiknowsky. So the allegations are essentially that he was performing unnecessary surgeries. And the case that he's referring to is called the Turner case. This is a patient of Shiknowsky's, according to Joe Zarzar, who says that the surgery wasn't necessary that his client underwent, and he ended up with a colostomy bag. So he deposed Shiknowsky just last week, which is where some of this new material, if you will, this new update uh information is coming from. And uh he said that what was interesting to him is that a lot of the the statements from Shiknowsky are sounding familiar because he's deposing him. This is actually the first deposition he's had since he was arrested and charged um with Mr. Bryan's death. Uh so he said that this deposition had information that was very similar, he felt like, to other patients that he had talked to and also others that were accusing Shiknowsky of basically not treating them properly. Um and he said that the surgeons, when it comes to the need of the surgery itself, that was one of the things that was familiar that kept coming up as a pattern. Does this person even need the surgery that he's pushing? Does this even necessary? Why are they asking for this to happen? And then the outcomes aren't the best, they're not ideal. Obviously, right in Mr. Bryan's case, it was the worst possible outcome. But um in the case of Mr. Turner, he was saying that was an outcome as well that was a bad outcome. And he questions if the surgery was even needed to begin with. Joe Zarzar said that this Turner case happened a month before Shiknowski operated on Bill Bryan. And again, he thought that there were some similarities in the case. Um, but he also wanted to mention that in this case involving Turner, um, and Shiknowski, he's also named another defendant, Genesis Care. And Zarzar said that they've discovered that Genesis Care has quote unquote a financial incentive for physicians for productivity, which he said is not unusual. Most places do, but then the question becomes were they motivated by money in order to push for these surgeries if they weren't necessary? And again, just like what we were saying with Ben Brown, all defendants are innocent. Shiknowski has also pleaded not guilty to these criminal charges. He is also fighting these civil charges as well and these allegations. So this is just what some of the information that this particular attorney has found who is representing patients who feel like they did not get good care from Dr. Sheknowski. But I thought that was so interesting is whether or not there that this financial motivation played a role in their decision to whether or not to move forward with these procedures. Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, in healthcare and especially in pharmacy, we have what are called metrics. They were like, You'll be working with so-and-so. She's a great pharmacist, she can fill 145 scripts in an hour. I'm like, she must be the craziest, crappiest pharmacist I've ever met. Do you realize that's like not even a minute for each script? Right. But see, and then they don't stop there. These hospitals and it the the fault's on the practitioner and the hospital, because at a certain point you have to go, I'm not doing that. And we gotta try to change law to say a pharmacist can only feel sixty an hour or a hundred hours, whatever it is. But you're there and they go, Oh, by the way, you need to give seventy five flu shots in the next two days. So I'm gonna I'm gonna bother the hell out of you and go, do Have you had your flu shot and you know you you're like, no? Have you had it? I mean, just on and on and on. You feel like a Jezebel. You know, I don't ask people that. That's why I'm not there anymore because I was like, I'm not asking people that. I'm not telling people to be well. I'm I've grown up person here, I can tell you bye-bye by myself. You know, so they do, they want to dictate everything that comes out of your mouth. And then want you to hold your professional license in limbo and you're doing all this stuff for them, and they're not gonna be there with you when it when it's effed up. But then when you got a practitioner like Shaknowsky that's doing this, I mean, seriously, you can in good conscience say, Let me recommend this surgery you don't really need, and let me drag my ass in here late, like two hours and punch you in the belly to make your stomach hurt and stuff. I mean, we gotta stop somewhere. And uh I think it's by changing laws, like you can't operate on your family, or if if you have financial uh incentives for someone to do surgery, we're not letting that happen anymore because Lord Heaven's sakes, you gotta stop somewhere. Well, I think it's interesting that the medical industry in Florida is allowed to have incentives for procedures, financial incentives, but when it comes to litigation and potential exploration of medical malpractice, our own governor says people who are seeking compensation for something that happened to them through no fault of their own are looking for jackpot justice. So it's okay for doctors to have financial incentives to have these procedures, which again, I want people to be rewarded for good work. Right. But if they're gonna get rewarded regardless, that's a bit of a concern because you don't know necessarily what their motivation may be. But you're not allowed to it it it it's flipped on you, and and you wanting money in case you were injured is a bad thing, really, according to our guard. Well, if that's if that's limitless, so should the litigiousness. You'd be able to sue for whatever you need to, but let's just go. You know, but I think about things you know I love business, I don't mind people making money. I I I love business, but there's certain things that are not marketable like that. You know, uh build the sale, do what you gotta do, uh uh add on whatever you gotta add on, type of thing there. But don't put people in peril because every time you go in surgery, you're this close because they put you asleep, you know, and there you are. It's uh unnecessary risk. And look at this m Mr. Bryan made it to 70 years old, doing the hard work he did, loving Alabama football, just trying to retire. And he gets to F that up. And then he puts his own self in prison, so this system isn't working. Then we got another doctor writing him recommendations to go work on our veterans. Hammy. Right, yeah, and then we got Heakin over here with 522 lawsuits. Let's just look at this little thing, at what's wrong with all this right here. If that ain't enough chaos for you, I don't know. I know, you're absolutely right. A lot of questions about that. And it leads us to another case about Dr. Death Christopher Dunch, 55 years old, a former neurosurgeon out of Texas, who earned the nickname Dr. Death after gross, willful medical malpractice working at various hospitals in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. In fact, over roughly a two-year period from 2011 to 2013, he maimed 31 patients and directly caused the deaths of two of them. And to Pam's point, what we're talking about with these allegations concerning Genesis care, with doctors being financially incentivized, with not enough oversight from hospitals because they want to limit their liability if they admit they've got a bad doctor on board. This case is all of that and then some. This guy was the first to be convicted, basically, for criminal charges related to what he did. And that's why it's considered historic for that reason. They believe it's the first time a physician was convicted of criminal charges rather just but rather than just facing a civil medical malpractice suit for actions taken during a medical procedure. I mean, and this is heavy to me. The stuff that he did, it was insane. I mean, we're talking a neurosurgeon. You just had back phones. Somebody was messing with your spine. Thank goodness you had a fantastic surgeon. You're here talking to us. You were your downtime was pretty limited. You've got eight rods in your back. I got some stuff. You're gonna make those metal detectors go off like nobody's business. But this guy, he was basically doing the same thing and leaving people again, accused of killing two, convicted, convicted of um, essentially was convicted of aggravated assault, but basically was accused of killing two people, leaving tools, sponges in bodies, bone fragments. He literally didn't know what he was doing. Like he'd perform some hundred surgeries, and most people by uh neurosurgeons they were saying by that time had performed a thousand. So it makes you wonder how far this how he ever got that far. Uh it's just uh F up, the boy is, or man is. He wanted to be like his daddy. His daddy was a football star. And even people that went to school with him were like, My God, it is white knuckles stuff. You can be telling they were telling him there are sponges in there. You left sponges in there. In somebody's throat. Yeah, and he said, No, no, no, basically, you know, shut up. Well, thank goodness that one went to go tell. And so when they're in there, but also it's like you said, well, shut it down, get out of here, go get a coca or whatever it is, you know, because if they say, Oh my god, you were right, you know, then they have liability. But yeah, he was doing all that. They said that he just couldn't grasp stuff. He wasn't that bright, you know. And even in football, you know, after you've told something in football, most people that play the game, you know, they love it so much, they're like, okay, this is my job, it's what I do. He had to white knuckle football, even. So he just couldn't do the next right thing. And he thought he was this tall, good-looking, blue-eyed, smooth talker, you know, and uh it that didn't work. My God, no, that's horrible. I mean, you were operating on people's bodies, on their spines. You know what I mean? It's just unbelievable to me. It's not like you're doing repair work on a Coke machine. Yeah, right, exactly. Where there's nothing at stake if you mess it up, you know. So at any rate, he was arrested in July of 2015 and indicted on five counts of aggravated assault and one count of injury to an elderly person. I thought it was an interesting strategy that Texas prosecutors basically said, Yeah, we've got all these patients, but let's focus on this one involving an elderly woman, 74-year-old Mary Euford. Her routine spinal surgery, they said her routine spinal fusion surgery, they said he severely botched it in 2012 and left her confined to a wheelchair. Well, the reason they use this particular case is that under Texas law, if you target a specific conviction for entry to an elderly person, it allows prosecutors to seek the maximum possible penalty. And so he was formally convicted in 2017, injury to an elderly person, a first-degree felony, because the jury determined that his surgical instruments functioned as quote unquote deadly weapons, and that he had acted maliciously and intentionally rather than just being a poor surgeon. So he got life in prison, y'all. I think that's interesting. And this case is one we're working on for a little episode in the summer. But what I you know, I find my little heroes wherever they are. I love the doctor in there that basically just slapped the instruments or snatched them out of his hand. Yeah, he wouldn't he wouldn't listen. So he's like, hey, you know, I know what I'm doing. And then that very surgeon and some other surgeons, other physicians, got together and they said, Since the state of Texas isn't gonna do anything, they're the one that did all the investigation and basically went, There. Yeah, that's exactly right. And and and in fact, this case sparked Texas to change their entire law so there is more transparency and accountability in the system. And because the way the reason he got away with it for so long is when they'd find out he was screwing up all these people, instead of saying, Hey, we need to hold you accountable and report you, he was given the option to resign. And so they didn't have to report it. So a lot of this was flying under the radar, even though everybody knew he was a problem, if you will, or suspected for sure. Um, but it wasn't reported, so he would just go on passing the trash, if you will, to the next hospital. And who does that remind you of? But that episode that we did called The Bad Nurse, and that was basically the case of Charles Charlie Cullen, one of the most prolific serial killers in America. He caught 29 murders, but they think he did a lot more because he was killing people in hospitals. And it wasn't until the good nurse basically worked with police to help identify him and prove it, but it turned out that risk management at several hospitals were aware that there were a lot of suspicious deaths when this guy was on duty, but they just allowed him to leave because it looked like they were trying to limit their liability. Right, right. Well, it's something, and I I don't know, you know, risk management or whatever. You're reading along and you know, okay, they died. Well, you just stop reading a couple of words before. I mean, you have to have honor somewhere. But I'm serious, if we don't like get some laws on things like this and make people, you know, if you're incompetent, you all this what do you call it, professional improvement plan for people, you know, some people there's sometimes some people you need to quit practicing at some point if you've not kept up on your continuum education or your skills, or you know, some people, some doctors, they tremble a little bit. That's what he can, you know. We had that going on. The whole doc the doctors in the whole hospital saw all that, and nobody dare said anything. 522 lawsuits, not I say this every time, not adverse events, but lawsuits. Yes, I know, and those are just the ones that made it to court. Again, as always, Dr. Shaknowsky, Dr. Brown, any of the folks that we talk about here, they're always welcome to come on Gulf Coast Confidential and talk about their side of things. And I know it's difficult right now. In fact, they really are told not to by their attorneys because all these charges that are pending. Definitely. But also keep in mind, Dr. Shaknowsky still has his passport. He does. We'll have to wait and see how long that lasts. He is out on bond. We'll see. Okay. All right. Well, we want to take a minute before we get into Sherilla the Killa to thank Joe Zarzar of Czar Law for his support of Gulf Coast Confidential. When a catastrophic injury changes your life and insurance companies aren't on your side, you need someone who will fight for you. And general practice lawyers often just won't cut it. You need a specialist. And Joe Czarzar with Czarzar Law is a board-certified civil trial specialist. He doesn't just settle cases, y'all. He prepares to win them in front of a jury. No upfront fees, no excuses, just the aggressive representation clients deserve. And they don't want to settle for less, and you don't have to. You can demand the best. You can call Czar Law at 855 Hire Joe or visit czarzarlaw.com, and he will certainly fight for you against the big guys. Definitely. Uh he reminds me of a prize fighter. He does. He doesn't give up. And he's a he, you know, and and when you are facing the court system, it's intimidating. You don't know what to expect. So you want somebody that knows it well and that you can trust, and that's that guy for sure. That's our guy. Awesome. Now back to our main episode on Mackenzie The Killa Sherilla. Sounds almost like she's a box. I do, yeah. I know, but at any rate, this is our main episode, and we're following up on her leap year appeal. This is such a strange thing. But basically, she's claiming that there's a medical reason. She and her mom are saying on this Netflix documentary that came out of the crash that there's a medical reason for what happened. Police and prosecutors say, Ixnay, we're dealing with a murderer here because she was hit in the gas, didn't take her foot off the gas pedal the last several minutes before she hit this brick wall, hit this brick building, and killed her boyfriend, killed the young man that was arriving with them, their mutual friend. And she was the only one wearing her seatbelt. So I think she nearly you know never did before. So now she's claiming it. I'll let you say it, but the abbreviation for it is pot. Right. Postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. And that's when your uh heartbeats go up about 30 beats per minute, real quick, like that. And a lot of people they have to sit down, or it's usually when you change position. It's not real, real common. But m my question is if she had this and they said she was diagnosed with it in 2017, why did y'all haul her up and get her a driver's license in the first place? Right. And even afterwards, she went and renewed her driver's license and never put anything on her DMV record when she was reapplying for a license that that was an issue. Right. And see, that's what her mother keeps trying to drone in her head. This is part two of this. People can go back and listen to part one of the crazy stuff already, and this is gonna be even crazier because she treats her parents like they're her servants, and the they go right along with it or something. She's just got the very worst approach and just kind of a miserable girl talking to everybody, even the boyfriend, Dom. And I don't know how she talked to Dov or Davion, you know, but I mean she's just unpleasant in my book, you know. Oh my gosh, yes. She thinks she's a little influencer on TikTok and the Instagram and the snapper, the snap, you know, Snapchat and stuff. But the way that she does that, and her parents play into this, like her mother told her, they try to keep the daddy off the phone with her while she's in prison there, because she said, the mother said, Daddy can't talk, daddy can't talk because he don't know when to stop talking, you know. And I'm thinking, you don't either. And so she goes, and he says something about like, My daughter should have only been charged with da-da-da, vehicular homicide uh manslaughter or something like that. And then the mother's going like, Not if it was medical, not if it was medical, not if it was medical. So that's what they're trying to hang. Right. She had a blackout behind the wheel and it wasn't her fault. And and it her foot was on the gas for the three to five seconds right before they hit the wall, because the black box in the car, the Camry, said that and showed that. And her she had her little fuzzy Prada slipper stuck up under there, also. Interesting. Well, it's interesting that that this is all part of her appeal that when she had her 2023 bench trial, a judge was hearing this case, she's basically saying in this appeal that her defense team only referenced her medical history, that they didn't really emphasize what her claim is that she had blacked out behind the wheel due to this condition, and that they also failed to introduce any medical records or secure witness testimony to validate that she had POTS and to prove that it could cause a blackout. And of course, the like we were saying earlier, the defense uh the prosecution introduced the Bureau of Motor Vehicles evidence that showed that she explicitly denied having any medical conditions when she applied for her driver's license. And again, when she renewed it after the fatal crash. So they're basically saying your ineffective counsel argument is crap. You're a murderer, and but this was her old legal team that she's blaming. She's a new legal team. And her current appellate lawyers are using this failure by they they call it a failure by her previous defense team as the basis for her Ohio Supreme Court petition. They're arguing that basically because this team didn't properly investigate or perpetrate this medical defense that she was convicted. Um, but then this is where it gets really crazy. Under Ohio law, a defendant basically has 365 days from the filing of the trial transcript to submit a petition for post-conviction relief. So that was the basis of this appeal, was that she felt like she didn't get good representation. When they went to file it, they filed it a year to the day after the transcripts were filed. However, it happened to be a leap year, so they were actually a day short because 2024 was a leap year, and day 365 fell on October 22nd, meaning that she had missed the deadline by one day, the 366th day. Oh wow. So it's crazy to me that as nuts as this case is, even the legal problems that they're having are so completely out of the norm. Just crazy. I mean, kind of do that on the 340th day or something. I never understand why people wait to the last minute, but I guess nothing get done around here, you know, if we didn't. But you know, yeah, they got that going on with that lawyer, and uh that lawyer did look bored sometimes. He'd literally be like, you know, and like this and stuff. So I was like a lawyer? Yeah. But she's the one that chose a bench trial. A bench trial is you convince one person either way, the judge, who knows everything in the world, who already doesn't like you, and she would have done better taking her chances with six or twelve, and somebody over here going, Yeah, my little granddaughter's kind of ditzy like that, you know, and get one person to maybe go, eh, you know, her she would have done better with a jury. Her chances would have been better if more people had to listen to it and evaluate it as opposed to just one person. Right, right. And in my experience covering crimes and trials, the judge primarily is there to uphold the prosecution. Not to say that they don't rule in favor of the defense fairly regularly on different motions. Their job is to evaluate the law and if these motions can be supported or shot down according to the law, but for the most part, because a lot of these judges came from prosecutorial backgrounds as well. So I mean, to me, that was not a she must not be a great poker player, I'll put it that way. Oh, yeah. Well, and she's she's really not a good liar. She just uh blowhard and yells at everybody and creates chaos. And you know, that's that's a uh a pet peeve of mine when people are chaos makers. I want away from you. I I don't want you dealing with me. Usually a sign of a manipulator, and I don't want to be around that. Well, and then we got other stuff there, uh, the things that are coming up that we didn't do in part one. I think we talked about this a little bit. Her parents always jumping in there, you know, minimizing what she did. And around Halloween, right after the crash and stuff, she dressed up with her friends for Halloween. She dressed up like corpses. Unbelievable. Like the day of the death. Uh-huh. Yeah. And her mom's her mom's mad at everybody that went, look at that crazy stuff. She said, she deserved to have her moments of fun. It was it was on the Snapchat or the TikTok or the whatever there. That tells right there that you don't have any concept that they're dead. Or maybe she did and was bragging about it. Like you talked about the the dupe, what is it called? Duper's delight. Duper's delight. Maybe she thought this was a subtle way, a little nod to what she had done. Or I got away with it. That's the thing, too. And then see, but she comes by this honestly. When you meet the tree, you understand the apple. Okay. So the tree being the daddy, when he was doing the Netflix documentary, he has a shirt on that says boom, the cartoon looking boom. Unbelievable. Yeah. And he has another shirt over it. But he was like, Well, it's so wrong about that. That was so insensitive to everybody. Boom is a car crash, and you're wearing this shirt, but then they always have an answer. They circle around and say the dumbest stuff. That, well, this was a shirt from one of the podcaster things or something, I think, uh, something circus, crime circus, something like that. I wore it as a thank you to him, and in my mind, you know, I am, and an F you to everybody else. Yeah, it's just a spin that they're trying to put on that argument. I mean, that would be like somebody dressing up as God forbid Charlie Kirk in light of that horrendous murder that happened when he was shot to death. Right. And then acting like, oh, well, people talked about it. I didn't think they take it so seriously. Right. I mean, i i it's just incredulous that they didn't know that it would have this kind of impact, that she would go as somebody from the day of the dead, that her dad would wear a shirt that said boom. And they are all throughout that Netflix documentary, basically, like you said, minimizing, excusing, trying to find any reason why what she did was not murder. And fortunately, in my opinion, thankfully, the judge disagreed and found out. But because of this Netflix documentary, the Strongville Police Department there in Ohio is beginning to release like massive amounts and has been releasing massive amounts of evidence that continue to paint a really dark picture of this young woman. There's like thousands of text messages that show that they had a real toxic relationship. She and Dom, that he was trying to break up with her, basically saying, This is terrible. And he had accused her of hitting him with a rock. And I've got some of these text messages here. One of them, she messages him, I'm gonna kill someone, quote unquote. And then he again texted a friend that she had hit him and tried to throw rocks at him. There were like 93,000 text messages between Sherilla and her late boyfriend Dominique Rousseau, and it's so volatile, it's toxic. So basically, they had this extremely toxic uh relationship and he wanted out of it, and she was not making it easy for him. Um, in fact, four weeks before the crash, he tried to end it. And according to this, he texted her, quote, Kenzie, you know I love you, but I don't think we should be together. There isn't very much time on earth. I don't want you to think I'm abandoning you. We should just break up. And I'm thinking about his mama. And if I saw that text, knowing that he died a month later, it's almost prophetic. On some level, this young man knew he was dealing with a dangerous person, and yet he still felt so responsible for her. The fact that he said, I'm don't, don't think I'm abandoning you. She guilted him. That's what it tells me, you know. And I guess just based on my own experience and feeling, you know, as a now I'm a middle-aged woman, but as a young woman, there would be, it would be much easier for someone to manipulate me and make me think, gosh, I I'm responsible for your happiness, you know, for all the many reasons that we talked about that people have their idea of what love is and what their idea of of a good relationship is. This, in my opinion, is not anybody's idea of a good relationship. But when you're young, you don't know that. Right. Right. And here he is trying to let her down gently, and that's like trying to let a gorilla that's charging you down gently, you know? Well, and then also when you combine sex in there too, people can't think straight. And she was 13 and he was 16 when they met, but he she's lived with him when she's 17. What? Yeah, she lived with him. Well, that's what I'm saying. Then her this is part of the text, too, some of these crazy texts, and don't let me forget the one about rubbing her feet, her daddy, you know, or whatever. Into that one. That old that old daddy bell you. Oh my god. Yeah, I got bored. But like her dad would text her. He Dom would spend the night with her at her house, and her dad would text her and say, Tell Dom to move his car, I need to go to work. Are you kidding me? That I can't even believe that. But then she would push back on her dad, like, you know, why didn't you tell us last night or or something like that? You know. So it's disrespectful on every level. She thought she was the boss. Right. So they're sleeping together at her house, at his house, and like the that that doesn't keep that. Perspective and people do crazy stuff over sex. We know that. Yeah, he probably had a difficult time letting that go. And then it does you know, he tried better than her. Well, and apparently she also sent him a text saying, quote unquote, I'm gonna kill someone, and quote unquote, I just want to bang my head on the wall till I'm dead. So that's not prophetic, it seems to me. Um, and then here's another one too. One of the most damning texts was one that was her that was one from her to him that said, quote, I told you it's my way or the highway. I would watch your back from now on, and your house, and your car, and your life, and any of your friends. End quote. What in the world? Yeah, if that were my son, my child. I mean, if Vivian ever got a text from somebody who said something like that, you bet I'd have the police department on speed dial. I want to file a report right now. I want everybody to know what this lady said. I'd probably put a post out on social media with a screenshot of all of it. Because if you don't get out ahead of something like this, I mean, this is the worst case scenario. I mean, a lot of people probably think, well, it's young love, teenagers, they don't really mean it. It's emotions writing high, all the reasons we just talked about, sex involved, emotions, hormones, whatever. But that's not what you're dealing with. Somebody who will put that in writing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You're dealing with a psycho. Uh-huh. Right, definitely. And one, two, three, four, five, six, on like that. Then she will tell him, get your mother on the phone. She comes after the man's mother. That's how that's crazy. You know, and coming after her. And then, but she thinks, I look at people and I do see some of this sassiness and things, and I I think that would have never worked in my family's house. Because A, my mom's the mama. You're not going to talk to her any old kind of way. And my dad's the dad. But you know, this girl talks to anybody, she would send texts down to her daddy to say, Daddy, bring me some more milk. Up to her room. Now, what the hell's that about? That is weird. Yeah. Didn't you say she doesn't, when she goes to the coffee store or coffee shop, she doesn't, whatever she gets gets no dairy? Starb every order, because I've I've watched a lot of them, is no dairy, no dairy, no dairy. And she had told her dad, she bosses him around, like she said, when you go out, bring me a Starbees, whatever it was, drink, and I want a chocolate croissant. And if you don't get back here in time, or if you screw around and they don't have any, or it's not warmed up, I'm gonna be mad. And then the next time she tells him, Well, go out and get me two Popeye's biscuits. And he said, Anything else? She said, Yeah, mashed potatoes with a lot of gravy. I'm not gonna lie, I do like her menu choices. I like chocolate croissants and lots of mashed potatoes. Right. And and Popeye's biscuits are amazing. I mean, those are like carbs to the nth degree. Right. But you wouldn't threaten your own daddy over them. And if I did, let me just tell you. That response would have been negatory to the nth degree. Were you way over there? Yeah, they'd be like Molly Barrows. Oh, I'm sorry. My daughter's been grounded for the rest of her life. Like she's going to be walking to school from now on, taking the bus. She gets no privileges, you know. And he's like, I've never tolerated that. He takes it, and I don't know why. He um he had a it's creepy. Yeah, he had to use her car one time and she said, my car. He said, My car. Steve is his name. He pushes back a little bit, you know, but not enough to take keep her in check, you know. But so sh she had this furry pink thing on her steering wheel. Well, he's a grown man. He don't want to be sitting back doing all that. So he took it off and she lost her daggone mine. She just is a control freak, it sounds like oh, and just hateful. I I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure she ain't doing none of this in the prison. But she is getting in trouble in the prison because apparently she's accumulated like 36 disciplinary violations. She's at the Ohio Reformatory for Women, and these violations include drug possession, sexual harassment, and receiving multiple hickeys from prison relationships. That's what I've said, like in that last episode when you're like, well, she's out there laying out with baby well, and I'm like, oh boy, man, I'm in a signal, didn't she? Somebody's got some plans for the evening, it sounds like, you know, which is in my mind immediately went, Why are you getting in trouble for hickeys? Yeah. Because you're not supposed to be doing tomfoolery, if you will. Is that what it is? Like a sign of inappropriate behavior, right? Or intimacy or whatever. You're supposed to be there and there, you know. A no-hickey prison. A no-hickey prison. But she's got you know, she's got a lot of money on her books because her family puts money on her books, and she's sitting in there, and they said, Well, she's a little, you know, her drug of choice is anger and just keeping everybody out of thing. Her drug of choice that night was the car. She weaponizes everything around her. And like I said, you ain't gonna be no little 17-year-old 98-pound girl doing all that in my life. You're not. You you're not gonna be in my house, you're not gonna be in my car, I'm not gonna call you in prison, you're just gonna be over there. Because that that's the problem. Yeah. Because she did what she did. But you know, it in in prison, she's got money on her books, so she buys these little hats and shoes and metal stuff, and she makes nose rings and distresses hats and shoes that the other prisoners can buy in there, but she says, You have to cash out my mama. Because remember last time we were talking about when she got arrested and around this Halloween party, some collaborators wanted to get with her, and she couldn't get back with them, but her mama did. See, this is the same thing. They're making money off of this. Oh, definitely. This is sick. It is. I mean, even more so, I should say. Yeah, and I did notice that some of the former inmates who were in prison with her have gone public and they're all over social media basically calling her a Regina George character because she's showing absolutely no remorse. Oh, yeah, oh yeah. She thinks she's thinks she's one of the Queen of Mean the plastics lady. And I'm just like, You're a little old girl. You fixing a fool around and find out up in the prison with a lot of these folks. Some grown women prisoners. Oh, definitely. Lifers, too. And she is too. But you know, I think about this how her parents and her uh and her friends, like that friend Rosie at the beginning of the Netflix, the crash, she's like, Well, I don't want to talk about this, but she when she realizes it's Netflix, she'll talk to them. She didn't want to talk to the police. Interesting. And she's one of that bunch that was like saying, Oh, l little Mackenzie, she wouldn't dare do that. She won't even eat a Mac chicken, you know. So and I've got to go. Then why would we never charge her with murder? It's really us. Okay. She cares about her body and this, that, and the other thing. No, it doesn't. I know, but uh like she's doing her little mushroom, she's doing her dope, she's doing this, that, she does whatever she wants. Right. But I mean, I thought that was interesting that she said that because also that's the same one that said the night of the parties, that they had gone to a graduation party and they got there, Dom, Dov, and her, and thought it was like a little mild. Okay, so they went to another party at 11, so 45 minutes is all they stayed there. And it was sort of like it was what she would call a sleepover there. You got a 20-year-old man, 18, 19-year-old man, 17-year-old girl, and a bunch of other. That is a mother and daddy's worst nightmare. You're not having no sleepover, and I know where you are. And so they said they were coloring. That's why I got the coloring book there. I just still can't believe the stuff they say. They were coloring and talking and listening to music. Nobody was drinking, but they were doing a little marijuana. See, this is the bullshit lies. That's why people can't get out of this because of all this stupid stuff. Yeah, well, and that's her goal, it sounds like just to muddy the waters enough that can't nobody can get to the point, right? Which is that two people are dead. Right. She's to blame. But it at least it sounds like uh Steve Sherilla's employers were paying attention. They placed him on administrative leave. He was a teacher at a Catholic school. But after an internal investigation, apparently by the school that was launched regarding his participation in that Netflix documentary and showing poor judgment, they basically were like, eh, you know what? We're just gonna go ahead and suspend you for right now while we look into this. So his current status remains unknown as far as whether or not he's gonna keep his job, but he's he's on leave for now. Yeah, definitely. Well, I mean, that's would be the appropriate thing to do. I agree. Especially if he's on there, you know, because he's catching kids when he's handling his own daughter this way. Right. Well, and he also said that that he didn't see anything wrong with her smoking pot, which or wearing that shirt that was completely offensive, I would think, to the victim's family. Or even c concept that it would hurt other people. That that's what they can't seem to get rid of. Yeah. And the whole family's like that. But he he had a nickname for her. He called her Cheech sometime, and though those of us old enough to know Cheech and Chong. You know, but young people don't know that she probably didn't even know. Smokers, yeah. Up in smoke. But you know, she had asked him when she's doing a lot of that texting. Basically, it I keep jumping in and out here because my brain's doing like that. She was like, Do you want peanut butter with your weed? What does that even mean? That means peanut butter and weed go good together, I reckon. To her daddy. Oh my god. So like they're already preparing for munchies, if you will, after they burn or something. I don't know. It's so ridiculous. 93,000 texts, and some of them are to her dad. Most of the ones Boston people around are to her daddy when she said, Come upstairs and rub my feet. What the hell? That is so crazy. I mean the whole warm milk thing. Maybe your mom, you know, my mom, my foot hurts for a second. I used to want my mom to tickle my feet. Yeah. When I was in, you know, a little kid. I mean, she's gone now. Even if I wanted her to, she can't. But like I we would watch TV and be like, tickle my feet, tickle my feet. You know, it's really right there. But yeah, that that is crazy for a 17-year-old girl to be like texting her dad, bring me warm milk and rub my feet. There's certainly some questionable boundaries there. Yeah. Well, and when he didn't bring the warm milk, he would say, I'm sorry, I didn't see your text. Do you still want it? And she'd say yes or no, or be 12 hours later. I mean, he is standing there like he is an indentured servant. And they both are. They do anything to calm her down. And that's why I'm saying, when someone's that chaotic, you've got to move them. If you have to ostracize them, don't let them be the middle of your life. And she'd text him, quit, quit blowing your nose. You are too loud. Okay. That's insane. She said, You've blow blown your nose 79 times. And I'm like, that little heifer, I saw her in court do this right here. She blew her nose online notebook paper. Wow. And I'm like, She's just trying to undermine his confidence. Anything to keep him beholden to her. Or like, and she has a sister. I they say she's younger. I'm not sure. I have to check that out. But you know, that poor little girl, she's probably like, I don't want nothing to do with none of this. Because also, our girl, she's in prison doing some sort of, you know, pen pal thing. But probably trying to make money off that too. Right. Well, they create a sugar daddy out there and go, and I'm coming home to you, big daddy. You know, and that's what they do. That's what puts money on her books. She's got the she's a grifter. She's a grifter in her own house, a grifter amongst her friends. She was a bully just like Regina George. And a hustler. Yeah. And I where I went to school, I don't think that would last very long. Somebody will help you get yourself in line. Absolutely. No, you're right. Well, certainly the court did. She's serving two concurrent sentences of 15 years to life. So barring the appeal being upheld or this reversal by the Ohio Supreme Court, she won't even be eligible for parole until September of 2037. Right. Well, by that time, you know how she wanted Kim Kardashian to represent her, you know. And Kim Kardashian's like, oh, hell to the nose. You know it's not if Kim Kardashian doesn't want to represent you. Yeah. Well, and she's like, I'm busy making skims over here. I ain't got time for all that. Plus, I hadn't even passed the bar yet. So I mean that might be criteria, you know. But I know, but it hasn't stopped her from taking up the comms of some other cases. And I almost even hate to say it, but she took up, you know, for the Menendez brothers, and I know I'm about to offend like 80 million people, as if that many are hopefully that many are listening. But I'm just saying, like, I I feel like the Menendez brothers are exactly where they belong. That whole case. But I she does seem to be gravitating towards the cases. I think where there is some genuine injustice. Oh, yeah. And then also, you know, just uh that are high profile. Yeah, and she can speak up. I'll tell you who I loved in this in this story is the judge. Her name's Russo, also. So McKenzie's family's going, that's that Russo family. They're so well connected. And then let's talk about Dobb for a minute. You know, he was in the back. I know he probably gets minimized in certain things. He does, but they're coming back around for it. Uh Dom's sister wants a law where people like Sherilla cannot profit from being th this murder. Well, that's what happened with Brandon, your nephew. They had to use the federal law that basically said that he, you know, he can't, he's a killer. Right. He may not have been he may have been found not guilty by reason of insanity, but he's a killer, so he cannot profit from killing your sister. Right, right, exactly. The Slayers Act or something like that. So it it and you think about that, but they had said Dom's Law, but I see now that it's like Dom's and Dov's Law. You know, because he he meant something. Even when her mother was up there, why her mother was up there during the victim impact statements, I'll never know. Because, oh, Sherilla, she told people, there's a third victim, it's me. Okay. I mean, this is how crazy she is. And so her mom's basically carrying that. Her mom's up there, like I told you, she went up before after the families of the of Dom and Dov. She goes up there and basically saying, My daughter's so good, if you could just spend five minutes with her. Wait, we spend five seconds with her, and she killed them, you know. So, and saying, and then she passed, I can't remember which one's family here, and she says, I know, uh-uh-uh-uh, you know, minimizing them. Then getting up there, and the judge finally tells her, I've heard you speak a lot about your daughter. I haven't heard you talk about anything of the two dad people, you know, and that was the dad people thing was kind of, but I think she's why they were all there. Right. And she told her, You went from a responsible driver to hell on wheels. And basically, she just kept telling her all the things like I don't believe to her mother. And because the mother kept going, Well, uh she was sick or it's medical, or what she said, we're just gonna disagree because it wasn't that. She killed them. So I love this judge. Absolutely, no BS. Mm-hmm. Yep. And I mean she's she's standing up for what's right. We're not asking her to do something that's not right. But uh Mackenzie, she said, I'm gonna be old when I get out of here. Yep. Yeah, you are if you get out at all. Right. And she still, the girls that had served time with her said she still does a snuffle uphagus eyelashes there, that she's got enough money to have a full face of makeup every day, and she ki keeps her clothes tailored in around the waist so they look better, and she'll walk that yard out there three or four times a day, I guess just trying to find something to do. But they're just like, She is a living nightmare. I can imagine. Well, it sounds like she's exactly where she needs to be. She is. If she's able to live in that environment, will be interesting to see because she sounds like somebody who's used to getting her own way, and when and if the day ever comes when she realizes and it sinks in that she's not going to get out if she does indeed lose this appeal in subsequent appeals. I wonder with a stubborn, angry, determined to have their own way person like that. You know, a lot of folks will take themselves out. Oh, it's just gonna be crazy. I'm waiting on her to text or yell for the warden to come rub her feet and bring her warm milk. I'll be right there for that. I'll be like, listen, I got the popcorn, I got some warm milk, baby. Gross as that sounds, I'll start to that. I'll I'll read those texts all day long. It is gonna be crazy, just crazy. And we'll know more next week because it just doesn't stop. Well, and I have to say, I think it's great to see the reaction that we're seeing from the community of people who watch the documentary and those who followed our podcast on it last time. It really sparked a lot of conversations, and so many people said over and over again, she's horrible, but man, those parents they enabled her, they're worse, they're just as bad. No wonder she's the way she is. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Right, right. Because, you know, I have a teenager. There's times that I'm like, what have I done? You know, like how did I get to here? You know, but like it's most I think that's very normal. I've I have other friends with you know, kids about that age. And and and we do have a tendency, I think, as parents, to like try to walk that fine line between what's appropriate discipline, how much is this is just normal attitude that I should take, how much should I put push back on? And you're always trying to find that balance. I feel like you know, my parents were probably the same way, and but for the most part, what they've allowed her to do is become a horrible human that has zero disregard for anyone else but herself, to the point that she has killed two young people in the prime of their life, cut short. They'll never have a chance to go to college, to have their own families, to live a life, whether good, bad, or otherwise. She took that from them and still wants the spotlight on herself and basically says, I'm the victim. I'm not sure if you're not. I mean, I am not a psychologist, but it seems to me like somewhere in there is where she falls. Yes, oh, definitely. Well, and then the calling herself a victim, and then you know, her parents leaving out Dov because he was a new friend. It was like so the judge even asked them then, so he's a new friend, his life doesn't matter, you know. But I want to say this about Dobb. His dad's I think his dad's name is Scott, and his mother's name's Jamie. She's a pharmacist, and his dad does something in quilting or artistry or something like that, and has for 30 years. They're such good people, and they adopted Dobb and his two sisters when they were young. So they had their family go in there, and they're just such, you know, you can tell they love Jesus, but it does hurt their heart too. So they've set up a scholarship because Dobb wanted to be a barber when he got out of school. And I looked at the amount the other day, and I think it had over like $130,000. So they're going to give many scholarships. I love that. That's the silver lining of all of this. And and it is so hard, as you know, for the victims' families, because even though she's been convicted, she's fighting to get out. They've got to pay attention to these appeals in case she ever does get recommended for parole. If it gets to that point, then they'll have to get up there and tell the whole story again if they desire to do that. So it's hard. Oh, yeah. It's not like it's ever over for the victims either. Right. No, they'll be there because Dom Dom's big sister, she has something called the Big Sister Unhinged. She's 13 years older than Dom. So he was like a little baby to her, you know. And so, and she, the son of Sam Law, what we were talking about, profiting off of your murder there. That can't happen. Right. But she will take people right on that are saying this crazy stuff because there also is a free McKenzie website. Good Lord. Yeah. But you know, that reminds me of um Chris Watts. It blows my mind that he's got a fan club of, pardon my French here, ladies, but horny women that are like, oh, but I'd I'd have sex with him. I don't care if he killed that old mean wife of his and shoved his babies down into a tank. He's hot. Is that how they said it? That's how I feel like they said it. When I read their statements, like that is the that is what I do. I might need you to read for me. But still, these people that are fan clubs of killers, it blows my mind. I mean, Ted Bundy had them too. Oh, yeah, definitely. It's it's just something else, but we're keeping up with this, and we'll let y'all know when some other crazy stuff happens. Absolutely. Well, Pam, thank you so much. And we appreciate y'all joining us as well. That is it for this episode, Texts, Warm Milk, and Boom Shirt, Mackenzie's Sherilla's Leap Day Peel. I'm your host, writer, and producer Molly Barrows, with co-host and researcher Pam Hill, and a big thanks as always to our director, editor, and production engineer, James Roy, the hardest working man at Gulf Coast Confidential. You can check out more of our episodes wherever you listen to your favorite podcast, or you can watch on our YouTube channel. Just don't forget to like and subscribe, and we will see you next time, y'all.