Gulf Coast Confidential Gumbo - Dig in with us on several spicy cases!

This week our Podcast is a lil different.  

We're talking about more than half a dozen cases we're following and it’s a little bit of everything:

*Nicolette Keough the lady that urinates on items in Airbnb here along the Gulf Coast and then posts her photos of said activity on an Adult Internet Site. 

We'll have more on how her latest court hearing went. 

*Updates on Dr. Ben Brown and Dr. Thomas Shaknovsky. 

*A little peek at the upcoming Summer episode we are doing on the Original Dr. Death Chris Dunstch. Texas let him go on practicing because they just couldn’t believe any surgeon could be that incompetent.  

*Update on the icky Tennessee School Member Keith Ervin.  He has now been charged with Assault. 

*Update on Pace Pharmacy. 

*A story about a Florida Teacher, Karen Savage, that inappropriately tied a phone charger cord around a black baby doll and left it suspended over a classroom TV. 

These are just the stories we are doing along with our regular True Crime Episodes. 

We have an interesting Summer coming up!

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

We dive deep into true crime cases here on Gulf Coast Confidential, but we always have stories in progress. These are the stories you're asking for. Here are the highlights. One is a case with a huge what the feasie factor, and that is right here in Pensacola. A Pensacola woman named Nicolette Keogh. She was arrested for the second time just this month. She was charged in May 2026 with felony criminal mischief after she filmed herself, y'all, urinating on luxury furniture, mattresses, and bedding all inside a local rental property here in the Pensacola area. And this latest arrest follows a previous string of arrests for similar incidents back in March. So basically, some of the key details are Airbnb and other rental homes owners said that she peed on everything and got her video got videos of herself doing it, and then she'd post them on these websites that are into these sexual fetishes where people, I guess, enjoy looking at somebody do that. Lord. And I mean, and we've got her mugshot up and she's mugging for the mug. Mind you, like to your point, she's no Whitney Cheetah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

She is no Whitney Cheetah. She seems to think she's pretty cute, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

And I guess what she's seeing is dollar signs. She's like, yeah, go ahead, talk me up.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

Oh yeah. Well, and I mean, her mugshot, you know, there when people that are manipulators or lack of a better word, liars or control people, when they think they're getting away with telling a tale, they have on their face what's called duper's delight. And it's a smirk that they can't help. And sometimes this little part of their mouth, just one edge of their mouth, goes down a little bit. I saw it when my nephew Brandon was going on in great detail and excited about how he killed my sister, that smirk. And every time I go to court, when people are smirking, I've seen it since then. Once you've had it done to you, you can see it over and over and over. So the uh Miss Keo, she's got this duper's delight. My nephew Brandon, ate lot, duper's delight. And when we go back to Miss Hell on Wheels, Sherilla, she got duper's delight, you know?

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Yeah, exactly. It's like they're happy for the attention. And in this case, I guess she sees, like I said, dollar signs because she posts it to these adult content websites and makes money off of it. And in fact, I'm gonna outline a little bit of some of the damage so you have an idea of what's going on here. At one Airb on Riddick Drive, she reportedly caused more than $17,000 in property damage in total across multiple Pensacola rentals. Police estimate that she caused $22,000 in damage. And after her most recent arrest, a judge set her bond at $10,000. Order she'd be held without bond in the Escambia County Jail because she violated bail conditions from a previous battery arrest. But now I checked the Escambia well, um the Escambia jail website this morning and she is out.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Yeah, I saw it like the 29th or something. Yeah, she she figured a way to get out.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Yeah, she certainly did. And I did talk to the owner of one of the Airbnbs. A woman had reached out to me about a month or so ago because she had subscribed to this woman's channel. It was the only way she could see what she was posting. She knew that she had damaged her unit. She because she'd seen it. She saw the damage. It was disgusting and horrible. And then, of course, she wanted to know what had actually been posted about her property. Right. So she had to subscribe in order to get it. So once you subscribe, but you can't use it for evidence, basically, because it, you know, it's a privacy thing. So she, you know, I mean, you can report it to police so that they know what's going on. But as far as like putting it out there for the public, there's some liability issues with that. But she had been interested in having me do an investigative piece about it. And I thought, well, okay, great, let's let's talk. We'll be glad to interview you. But she didn't want to have her name or her business associated with it, just like all these other rental owners, because they're afraid that it would be bad for business. But what she found, she said when she went on this young lady's Nicolette's adult content website, if you will, was that she was doing it everywhere. That it was the it that it's not just about the the tinkling, if you will, titillating people. It is the weird places that they're also doing it. Like she would go to hotel lobby, she said, she would uh urinate in the coffee makers, urinate in plants, urinate in all sorts of places. And so she said she even notified some of these hotels and told them what she had done, and they also did not want to advertise it or really make a big deal about it because they would they were concerned it was bad for business. But there is a whole niche audience that wants to see this kind of content, and this is what this girl's capitalizing on.

SPEAKER_00 4:25

I can't even imagine that. Yeah, it's a urinating fetish, I imagine. And I did look that up too, and there are a bunch of people that like that weird stuff. But you know, my family was in the rental business for 40 years, and we rented stuff, and it used to upset me so bad when people would tear up our stuff or uh take out a $400 Faustoria bowl they didn't listen about and they crack it wide open and we gotta charge them $400, but they don't want to pay it because they they don't appreciate what a Faustoria bowl is, but they don't care. It's just like people that rent a uh car, they put a cigarette right out in the seat because it's the rental business. But see, all these folks that own these properties, I can see why they don't want to come forward uh uh with their name or what have you, but it it's if we don't, these folks do this all the time. I know. And it makes you kind of cringe about like I don't even want to go in a hotel if people are doing all this crazy stuff. I know.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Well, and as a journalist, you know, you need people to go in on camera. You need them to go or if you will, or on the record, whether it's on camera or a quote for an article, you need them to say, hey, this is my name, this is what happened to me, this is my experience. Because as a journalist, you can't care more than they do. Exactly. They have to be willing to put their name behind it, and that's something that comes up pretty regularly. And lots of times I certainly can understand why they don't want to, right, but I can't report on eight anonymous sources about the the pee peer.

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Yeah, yeah, well, and also like it just doesn't have any teeth because uh my dad told me one time too, he's like, if you don't have the conviction to say, and I'm not trying to point to be rude, I'm talking about you. That's right. If you just go, well, I'm talking about when people do this, you know, nobody cares.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Right, right. Well, Petskole Police did care. So she is facing charges. We'll continue to follow it and see what happens. And you know, if you follow our podcast, you know we've been covering a lot of medical-related incidents lately that doctors charged with crimes, in fact, related to the work that they've been doing. Um, one of those is Dr. Ben Brown, and we're learning more about one of his hired expert witnesses, if you will, a man named Christopher Borgert. He has a PhD pharmaceutical pharmacology, and uh through his firm, basically applied pharmacology and toxicology. He has been hired by agricultural and chemical corporations, along with Ben Brown and other clients, um, chemical corporations like Monsanto and Bear to provide scientific risk assessments. These are basically providing regulatory guidance as to whether or not Roundup causes cancer, for example, or the processes behind these different scientific studies. So most recently he gathered what he said was a group of like 60 scientists to push back on an effort that people had made to have a Monsanto funded study about whether or not Roundup caused cancer. These two people later came to say, hey, you should retract this study because it was fully paid for by Monsanto and Bayer. And that puts the process question, how you came to these results. We question these results basically because of the process, knowing that it was fully funded. And there's this real back and forth because in the study it does say Monsanto and Bayer did fund this, they participated, but apparently, according to some, it is not near to the extent, it's not described near to the extent that they were involved, that they all but did the study, and there's this implication that they manipulated the results. So Borger is the type of expert that defense people hire who says, we're gonna push back on that. There's no reason to call for a retraction. Poor old Monsanto, yeah, just trying to give you some weed killer, not causing cancer. We don't agree with this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he does it all with a smile on his face and he and then ch-ching into the bank account. So this is the guy that Ben Brown's defense team has hired to basically try to get our local medical examiner's testimony that thrown out because the cause of death that our local medical examiner listed for Hillary Brown, who died after about a week when her heart stopped, as her husband, Dr. Ben Brown, was performing several several procedures on her at his office, restore plastic surgery. This was back in November of 2023. So her heart stopped. Uh, the call, the 911 call went out as a possible lidocaine toxicity overdose. The ER staff uh reportedly uh thought too, because of information that they were given by people who were in the room, that it was also lidocaine toxicity. The health department, Stan Rosa Sheriff's Office investigated. They all looked hard at this, and they basically said she saw. She complained of seeing orange, she started to twitch, she had what was described as grandma seizures, um, and he did not immediately call 911 and he did not have life-saving equipment on hand, and he did not allow staff to start CPR immediately. So there are all these questions about was it lidocaine toxicity? Was it his response to it? But the state attorney's office, the medical examiner said all of that. The health department said all of that. So, at any rate, he's pushing back on that finding, in particular, basically saying with this b Borgert fella, that his math shows that the lidocaine levels were too low in Hillary to have caused her to die from lidocaine toxicity. And he has filed what's called, or excuse me, Ben Brown's defense team has hi filed what's called a do Daubert motion, which essentially says she's not qualified to make this call. You know, medical examiners in the state of Florida with hundreds and hundreds of autopsies under their belt, all of a sudden this one is just not qualified. Right. So it is typical in cases, whether it's criminal or civil, to hire experts that say, hey, your expert is wrong. My expert knows what's up. But this guy took the added step of basically sending her a very aggressive letter and sending it to FDLE as well, which oversees medical examiner's offices in the state of Florida. That's the Florida Department of Law Enforcement I'm referring to. Basically, he sent this letter saying, Listen, I'm not doing this because Ben Brown paid me, although I have been paid to testify for him before at the I I saw him testify at the administrative hearing last fall when his basically they were asking for the state of Florida was asking to have his medical license revoked, and the judge decided not to do that. She opted to recommend a year suspension, and which is what the Board of Medicine ended up uh supporting. So, at any rate, um he testified at that and he was saying that his numbers, that his CV is like the greatest in all the land, and he's an expert, and he's not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but everybody's wrong but him and Hillary didn't die from lidocaine toxicity. So I just thought it was interesting too that Judge Yolanda Green over the administrative hearing, um, she said, quote, Dr. Deanna Olesky, a medical examiner, performed the post-mortem examination of HB on December 1st, 2023. And based on her assessment using a what's called a rule-out theory, she concluded that the cause of death was complications related to lidocaine toxicity because it was on the highest on the different it was the highest on the differential. And according to Yolanda Green, she did not examine HB's organs because they were donated. Right. There, but she makes no mention of that. There was also no post-mortem or anti-mortem toxicology analysis to support her conclusion, according to Green. And by contrast, Dr. Borgart credibly concluded that lidocaine was not the cause of HB's symptoms or death. End quote. Now they're referring to Hillary Brown, but basically for HIPAA reasons, they're not using their names. But this is directly from her order. And I was so surprised by this because the state, I sat through those three days of hearing, and the attorneys for the Florida Department of Health said replete repeatedly, that is not what we're trying here. That's right. We're not trying to determine whether or not she died of lidocaine toxicity. They spent so much time talking about that over and over and over again. It was like a pre-amble, if you will, to the defense, I think that we're going to hear at this criminal trial because he's charged with manslaughter for the death of his wife. But it's primarily for also complications from lidocaine toxicity, but also prior primarily for not calling 911 and having that lifesaving equipment on hand, not starting CPR immediately, those sorts of things. It's his response. And that's basically what the state of Florida said at this administrative hearing. Dr. Olesky was never even called. Her judgment and wasn't even on trial at the, if you will, at that administrative hearing. Right. It's not a criminal trial anyway, but you know what I'm saying? It's legal evidence, it's testimony. And Oleski was never called. So why would you say you found that this doctor's Borgert, this hired gun, was more credible from than the uh medical examiner who you never even heard from.

SPEAKER_00 12:52

Right. And we're not even supposed to be talking about the case there. It's his behavior as a physician. Uh and Dr. Borgert, I mean, he's obviously in court so much, I doubt he has any clinical skills or any knowledge or anything about therapy. You just get the biggest, blustery, loudest mouth in there. And each side can do it. But it I I mean, and they hope that the jury, when we do have a jury, is overwhelmed by it because that's what they go by.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Because they just want to create reasonable doubt.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

Exactly. But I'll tell you, if we're sitting in there with the judge is hopping up, giving a tissue to Ben Brown, you know, I can't get over that, and I won't yet. He couldn't even find his own effing stethoscope. I know. You know, in the whole damn building. Yeah. And yelling, we heard it on the we heard it on the phone.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

And he was yelling on the 911 call. How much what did she take? What did she take? And she did dick she did ding him for that. She said that there were no records, and it was clear that nobody really knew how much she had taken, but it's almost like she dinged Hillary for that more so than than him.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

It doesn't matter what Hillary for him. He was the one with the medical license. That's right. I don't care if Hillary drank it or whatever. It's not for her to have to do that. And if you have to ask what she took and you still went ahead and did surgery, oh, there there is so much more than this. She she almost seems like she had marching orders.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

It is interesting. I know I'm with you on that. And of course, he has pleaded not guilty to all of these allegations, and all defendants are innocent until proven guilty. We want to make that clear that these are accusations and allegations. But here's a quote directly from those FDOH attorneys when Dr. Borgert was testifying, and she said, Quote, You understand the amended administrative complaint does not charge Dr. Brown with giving patient HB with too much lidocaine, but instead his failure to respond to a medical emergency within the standard of care. Do you understand that? And then he replies, Yes, sir. I mean ma'am, because this was a woman, so it seemed to throw him off just a hair. Um at any rate, a jury, as we were saying, will have to ultimately decide whether or not to trust the medical examiner's holistic view of how Hillary Brown died, or if Dr. Borgert's paid highly specific pharmaceutical, pharmacological breakdown designed to shield Dr. Brown from criminal liability is what they believe. But that's even if uh Dr. Olesky's testimony or findings can even be presented in court, because that's what they're trying to do is get her testimony thrown out. Right. And there's going to be a hearing on that on July 7th of this year to decide whether or not her toxicology opinions will even be allowed at trial.

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SPEAKER_00 15:16

Well, I

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SPEAKER_00 15:17

think the doctor that did the autopsy and the doctor that is right there on board, the doctor that does those all day, every day, instead of this guy that likes to run through airports and go, watch me, just try to blow this up here. And and why are we talking about something way over here when this was the case and the judge is doing it? That's why I'm telling you. Something stinky in the whole place.

SPEAKER_01 15:37

It surprised me too. And again, I know nothing about administrative hearings. It was the first one I've ever covered. I'm not familiar with that whole process, so that was a learning experience for me. But I was shocked that they basically tried the whole criminal case, in my opinion, right there at that administrative hearing, and the judge was just right along with it. And to actually write down in there, his testimony was more credible than Dr. Leskey, who wasn't even there.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

You hadn't even heard from? No. You know, so yeah, that's bogus.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Yeah, I thought that was interesting. So moving right along, another case that we're following, Dr. Thomas Shiknowski, of course, he's the surgeon who is accused of killing a man. He's also charged with manslaughter and the death of Mr. Bill Bryant of Muscle Shoals, who went in for some abdomen pain. They determined that he that he was having some issues with his spleen. Uh, Shiknowski and his team recommended that he have surgery immediately. They didn't want to do it, but he pressured them, according to witnesses, to have that done, to the point that he even stuck his hand in his stomach, according to Beverly Bryan, who talked to us after he was criminally charged. And a reminder, Joe Czarzar of Czar Law is a supporter of Gulf Coast Confidential. And he's not only representing Mr. Bill Bryan's widow, Beverly Bryan, who was also a supporter of this program, and we appreciate that of her as well. But he's representing her over the death of her husband. But they also have another case to get another case, excuse me, against Shiknowsky. So the allegations are essentially that he was performing unnecessary surgeries. And the case that he's referring to is called the Turner case. This is a patient of Shiknowsky's, according to Joe Zarzar, who says that the surgery wasn't necessary that his client underwent, and he ended up with a colostomy bag. So de he deposed Shiknowsky just last week, which is where some of this new material, if you will, this new update uh information is coming from. And uh he said that what was interesting to him is that a lot of the the statements from Shiknowsky are sounding familiar because he's deposing him. This is actually the first deposition he's had since he was arrested and charged um with Mr. Bryan's death. Uh so he said that this deposition had information that was very similar, he felt like, to other patients that he had talked to and also others that were accusing Shiknowsky of basically not treating them properly. Um and he said that the surgeons, when it comes to the need of the surgery itself, that was one of the things that was familiar that kept coming up as a pattern. Does this person even need the surgery that he's pushing? Does this even be necessary? Why are they asking for this to happen? And then the outcomes aren't the best, they're not ideal. Obviously, in Mr. Bryan's case, it was the worst possible outcome. But um in the case of Mr. Turner, he was saying that was an outcome as well that was a bad outcome. And he questions if the surgery was even needed to begin with. Joe Zarzar said that this Turner case happened a month before Shiknowski operated on Bill Bryan. And again, he thought that there were some similarities in the case. Um, but he also wanted to mention that in this case involving Turner, um, and Shiknowski, he's also named another defendant, Genesis Care. And Zarzar said that they've discovered that Genesis Care has quote unquote a financial incentive for physicians for productivity, which he said is not unusual. Most places do, but then the question becomes were they motivated by money in order to push for these surgeries if they weren't necessary? And again, just like what we were saying with Ben Brown, all defendants are innocent. Shiknowski is also pleaded not guilty to these criminal charges. He is also fighting these civil charges as well and these allegations. So this is just what some of the information that this particular attorney has found who is representing patients who feel like they did not get good care from Dr. Sheknowski. But I thought that was so interesting is whether or not there that this financial motivation played a role in their decision to whether or not to move forward with these procedures.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, in healthcare and especially in pharmacy, we have what are called metrics. Because I remember when I first went to work for, let's just say, a certain chain, they were like, You'll be working with so-and-so. She's a great pharmacist, she can fill 145 scripts in an hour. I'm like, she must be the craziest, crappiest pharmacist I've ever met. Do you realize that's like not even a minute for each script? Right. But see, and then they don't stop there. These hospitals and it the the fault's on the practitioner and the hospital because at a certain point you have to go, I'm not doing that. And we got to try to change law to say a pharmacist can only feel 60 an hour or 100 hours, whatever it is. But you're there and they go, Oh, by the way, you need to give 75 flu shots in the next two days. So I'm gonna I'm gonna bother the hell out of you and go, Do you have you had your flu shot? And you know, you you're like, No. Have you had it? I mean, just on and on and on. You'd feel like a Jezebel. You know, I don't ask people that. That's why I'm not there anymore because I was like, I'm not asking people that. I'm not telling people to be well. I'm a I've grown up person here, I can tell you bye-bye by myself.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

You know, so they do, they want to dictate everything that comes out of your mouth.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

And then want you to hold your professional license in limbo and you're doing all this stuff for them, and they're not gonna be there with you when it when it's effed up. But then when you got a practitioner like Shaknowsky that's doing this, I mean, seriously, you can in good conscience say, Let me recommend this surgery you don't really need, and let me drag my ass in here late, like two hours, and punch you in the belly to make your stomach hurt and stuff. I mean, we gotta stop somewhere. And uh I think it's by changing laws, like you can't operate on your family, or if if you have financial uh incentives for someone to do surgery, we're not letting that happen anymore because Lord Heaven's sakes, you gotta stop somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Well, I think it's interesting that the medical industry in Florida is allowed to have incentives for procedures, financial incentives, but when it comes to litigation and potential exploration of medical malpractice, our own governor says people who are seeking compensation for something that happened to them through no fault of their own are looking for jackpot justice. So it's okay for doctors to have financial incentives to have these procedures, which again, I want people to be rewarded for good work. Right. But if they're gonna get rewarded regardless, that's a bit of a concern because you don't know necessarily what their motivation may be. But you're not allowed to it it it's flipped on you, and and you wanting money in case you were injured is a bad thing, really, according to Dark.

SPEAKER_00 21:51

Well, if that's if that's limitless, so should the litigiousness. You'd be able to sue for whatever you need to. Let's just go. You know, but I think about things you know, I like. I love business. I don't mind people making money. I d I I love business, but there's certain things that are not marketable like that. You know, uh build the sale, do what you gotta do, uh uh add on whatever you gotta add on, type of thing there. But don't put people in peril because every time you go in surgery, you're this close because they put you asleep, you know, and there you are. It's uh unnecessary risk. And look at this m Mr. Bryan made it to 70 years old, doing the hard work he did, loving Alabama football, just trying to retire. And he gets to F that up, and then he puts his own self in prison, so this system isn't working. Then we got another doctor writing him recommendations to go work on our veterans. Right, yeah, and then we got Heakin over here with 522 lawsuits. Let's just look at this little thing, at what's wrong with all this right here. If that ain't enough chaos for you, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

I know, you're absolutely right. A lot of questions about that. And it leads us to another case about Dr. Death Christopher Dunch, 55 years old, a former neurosurgeon out of Texas, who earned the nickname Dr. Death after gross, willful medical malpractice working at various hospitals in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. In fact, over roughly a two-year period from 2011 to 2013, he maimed 31 patients and directly caused the deaths of two of them. And to Pam's point, what we're talking about with these allegations concerning Genesis care, with doctors being financially incentivized, with not enough oversight from hospitals because they want to limit their liability if they admit they've got a bad doctor on board. This case is all of that and then some. This guy was the first to be convicted, basically, for criminal charges related to what he did. And that's why it's considered historic for that reason. They believe it's the first time a physician was convicted of criminal charges rather just but rather than just facing a civil medical malpractice suit for actions taken during a medical procedure. I mean, and this is heavy to me. The stuff that he did, it was insane. I mean, we're talking a neurosurgeon. You just had back from me. Somebody was messing with your spine. Thank goodness you had a fantastic surgeon. You're here talking to us. You were your downtime was pretty limited. You've got eight rods in your back.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

I've got some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

You're gonna make those metal detectors go off like nobody's business. But this guy, he was basically doing the same thing and leaving people, again, accused of killing two, convicted, convicted of um, essentially was convicted of aggravated assault, but basically was accused of killing two people, leaving tools, sponges in bodies, bone fragments. He literally didn't know what he was doing. Like he'd perform some a hundred surgeries, and most people by uh neurosurgeries they were saying by that time had performed a thousand. So it makes you wonder how far this how he ever got that far.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Uh it he's just uh F up the boy is or man is. He wanted to be like his daddy. His daddy was a football star. And even people that went to school with him were like, My God, it is white knuckles stuff. You can be telling they were telling him there are sponges in there. You left sponges in there.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

In somebody's throat.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yeah. And he said, no, no, no, basically, you know, shut up. Well, thank goodness that one went to go tell. And so when they're in there, but also it's like you said, well, shut it down, get out of here, go get a Coca-Cola or whatever it is, you know, because if they say, Oh my god, you were right, you know, then they have liability. But yeah, he was doing all that. They said that he just couldn't grasp stuff. He wasn't that bright, you know. And even in football, you know, after you've told something in football, most people that play the game, you know, they love it so much, they're like, okay, this is my job, it's what I do. He had to white knuckle football, even. So he just couldn't do the next right thing. And he thought he was this tall, good-looking, blue-eyed, smooth talker, you know, and uh it that didn't work.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

My God, no, that's horrible. I mean, you were operating on people's bodies, on their spines. You know what I mean? It's just unbelievable to me. It's not like you're doing repair work on a Coke machine where there's nothing at stake if you f mess it up, you know. So at any rate, he was arrested in July of 2015 and indicted on five counts of aggravated assault and one count of injury to an elderly person. I thought it was an interesting strategy that Texas prosecutors basically said, Yeah, we've got all these patients, but let's focus on this one involving an elderly woman, 74-year-old Mary Euford. Her routine spinal surgery, they said her routine spinal fusion surgery, they said he severely botched it in 2012 and left her confined to a wheelchair. Well, the reason they use this particular case is that under Texas law, if you target a specific conviction for entry to an elderly person, it allows prosecutors to seek the maximum possible penalty. And so he was formally convicted in 2017, injury to an elderly person, a first-degree felony, because the jury determined that his surgical instruments functioned as quote unquote deadly weapons and that he had acted maliciously and intentionally rather than just being a poor surgeon. So he got life in prison, y'all. I think that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

And this case is one we're working on for a little episode in the summer. But what I you know, I find my little heroes wherever they are. I love the doctor in there that basically just slapped the instruments or snatched them out of his hand. Yes. He wouldn't he wouldn't listen. So he's like, hey, you know, I know what I'm doing. And then that very surgeon and some other surgeons, other physicians, got together and they said, Since the state of Texas isn't gonna do anything, they're the one that did all the investigation and basically went there.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

Yeah, that's exactly right. And and and in fact, this case sparked Texas to change their entire law so there is more transparency and accountability in the system. And because the way the reason he got away with it for so long is when they'd find out he was screwing up all these people, instead of saying, Hey, we need to hold you accountable and report you, he was given the option to resign. And so they didn't have to report it. So a lot of this was flying under the radar, even though everybody knew he was a problem, if you will, or suspected for sure. Um, but it wasn't reported, so he would just go on passing the trash, if you will, right to the next hospital. And who does that remind you of? But that episode that we did called The Bad Nurse, and that was basically the case of Charles Charlie Cullen, one of the most prolific serial killers in America. He cocked 29 murders, but they think he did a lot more because he was killing people in hospitals. And it wasn't until the good nurse basically worked with police to help identify him and prove it, but it turned out that risk management at several hospitals were aware that there were a lot of suspicious deaths when this guy was on duty, but they just allowed him to leave because it looked like they were trying to limit their liability.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Right, right. Well, it's something and I I don't know, you know, risk management or whatever. You're reading along and you know, okay, they died. Why don't they just stop reading a couple of words before? I mean, you have to have honor somewhere. But I'm serious, if we don't like get some laws on things like this and make people, you know, if you're incompetent, you all this what do you call it, professional improvement plan for people, you know, some people, there's sometimes some people you need to quit practicing at some point if you've not kept up on your continuum education or your skills, or you know, some people, some doctors they tremble a little bit. That's what he can, you know. We had that going on. The whole doc the doctors in the whole hospital saw all that, and nobody dare said anything. 522 lawsuits, not I say this every time, not adverse events, but lawsuits.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

Yes, I know, and those were just the ones that made it to court. Again, as always, Dr. Shaknowsky, Dr. Brown, any of the folks that we talk about here, they're always welcome to come on Gulf Coast Confidential and talk about their side of things. And I know it's difficult right now. In fact, they really are told not to by their attorneys because all these charges that are pending.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Definitely. But also keep in mind, Dr. Shaknowsky still has his passport.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

He does. We'll have to wait and see how long that lasts. He is out on bond. We'll see. All right. So another case that we've been following, and we've talked about this one before. This is Keith Irvin. He is the school board member, right? What state was this in? Tennessee. Tennessee. And uh he's the one that had they were doing a presentation, and a young lady, a teenager, gets up there and he goes, God, you're hot. Yeah. And it caused just a ruckus in the town, understandably so. He tried to back down once he realized all the controversy he caused by saying that, no, I didn't mean it that way. I just meant she's on a roll. Yeah. You know, ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 30:19

Yeah, not even a good lie.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So what's new with him?

SPEAKER_00 30:21

Well, here's one thing. And you know, he was sitting right close to her and he props up and he goes, like you said, God you're hard. I mean, it was so creepy, stinky.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

I feel like every woman has had that experience. You know, we all know that cringe, like, oh, and you're just the smile freezes on your face because it's usually in front of a bunch of people or some situation where you feel uncomfortable sticking up for yourself, or at least I did when I was young. I know that I think you're much better at that sort of thing, but you know, up to a point. But but at any rate, she's just a little girl. That was so awkward and terrible.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

When they're there we're further apart than they were. Yeah. And he reaches over and he touches her. He shouldn't have touched her either. I'm sure he didn't touch boys like that up there. And, you know, then he goes, What school you go to? Gonna put that on out there on Front Street. And here's the part too. All the other people, the board members too, all did laugh and thought that stuff was funny. Even the policeman was laughing and thought it was funny. She probably had a little nervous laugh because she's scared. And then all these people, so here's what happened now. All right, he wouldn't, he wouldn't resign. He did the same behavior in 2009, and and as a school board member, wasn't allowed on school campuses without an escort. Oh, so he got this pervert and they know it, and they made a way for him. Well, the the young lady went back before them and said, Let me tell you something. You basically, to the lady that was the I guess the president or or the chairman, she said, You sure did make sure to bang that gavel and to call the public down. Did you do it against your peer? You know, did you stop that for me? And anyway, she went back and she said, I don't forgive y'all because I want y'all to feel every bit of discomfort I feel good when the public looks at you. This is what's had to happen to me. And she called them all cowards. And and some more stuff. She went on and on and on, and she said, I am becoming an advocate to educate you people where you can't sit up here if you're this ignorant, basically. And so now the town's coming with her because I don't know about She's on the side of right. Exactly. She is 100% right. I don't know about you, and I don't know about other people. Some folks, Daddy, would have already been in there rearranging furniture.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

Or his face. That's what I'm with furniture.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

So we got that, and he's just sitting up there and he's still mad. But this man, you have to go look at the little video or just look at him, and he is like a honey badger. He has he has put his like the skunk at the picnic and put his fing, you know, his little talons in the ground, and he's determined not to resign. So he's been like indicted with assault now.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

Wow. So it's getting bigger and bigger.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

This girl's not gonna sit down, we're not having it. You know, it's a lot like the Me Too. That's exactly what I was thinking. Or the the one stud that we're studying right now a lot on is Larry Nasser, you know, the the uh doctor of the gymnast, where he just did all this stuff, these little girls, right with their mama standing right there.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

That Larry Nasser is an evil human. When I saw and read on those documents, that is a good story. We're gonna dive into that one. But he was he was doing he was molesting these girls while their parents were in the room. Right. Where they couldn't see basically under a drape.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

I mean, it j that man special place in hell.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

For real. As close as we are, standing right next here under the drape, molesting their daughter. And the daughter, you know, they're on the inner thigh or something, they're gymnast, and they're just sitting there and they're just like, I don't know, my mom's right there, and you know, and he's acting like it's therapy or something. It is sickening, as is this Keith Urban game.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

It absolutely is. And I say hats off to that young lady for trying to hold him accountable because it's really about changing culture and attitudes. And like you said, it is about the Me Too movement, and people were quick to dismiss. Well, he said she said we can't prove it. So the same behavior continues. Basically, she's saying, I'm drawing a line in the sand. I say no more, I'm holding you accountable. I'm gonna charge you whatever I can do to hold you accountable if you're not gonna censor yourself.

SPEAKER_00 34:24

Exactly. Well, how messed up is our system that he's already done it once, already done it twice. His whole bunch of contemporaries. We've had that stuff going on right here in Santa Rosa with school board stuff where everybody wants to look the other way and thank God it went my kid or whatever, type of thing. That yet, society, Y E T, you're eligible too. You know, it can just happen to anybody. But like with nobody making any changes, nobody's brave enough to go, that effery right there ain't gonna fly. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

I love it. Well, we'll see how that plays out. I'm looking forward to that. Um, and another case that we've been following here locally, just to touch on real quick, uh, the Pace Pharmacy bus, the Burklow case. Um, I did an update on that not too terribly long ago. And there isn't a whole lot to tell. It's continuing. But basically, Monique Burkolo, the office manager for Pace Pharmacy, three of her felonies, the original felonies, were dropped. She's still facing some other minor fel uh minor charges as well. And Stephen Burkelo, he is still facing many felony charges, and David Winkles is still facing charges as well. So those cases, the prosecutor tells me he expects to be continued, but they are still plugging along. Now, their daughter Lakin had completed her probation for the minor drug charge that she faced. Right. So we're gonna continue to follow that one too. I know a lot of folks are curious about that.

SPEAKER_00 35:40

Right. And Lakin can move on, you know, and just go that way, hopefully. Then the other story that we're following is a teacher out of Florida here.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

Yeah, I saw that. This was Barrington Middle School, happened Monday, May 18th, according to this Facebook post that was shared by the mother of a student who witnessed this racist display. Basically, the mom alleges that her son recorded a video of his art teacher setting up a display in the middle of the classroom. And this is a quote from that um, I guess the video in the post. It says, quote, today at Barrington Middle School, this is in Hillsborough County, uh, Florida, his art teacher took the time to wrap a charger cord around a black baby doll's neck and hang it directly over the classroom television for the entire room to see. The parent claimed that students immediately questioned the teacher about the display. They uh alleged that she laughed it off and said she just created it to get their attention. But this mother is in furious, and I don't blame her. She said all the students are deeply upset about it.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Well, the kids were you can hear in the video, I mean, they're they're what, 14 years old or right around there, they're learning to speak up for themselves. We all know that was wrong. She knows it's wrong. And then her keeping trying to throw it over that TV and making a spectacle of that. Her name's Karen Savage, 63 years old. And so the one of the kids in there goes, You wrong, you wrong for that. You know how kids gotta take up for themselves. He's right, yeah. He said, You're wrong, you're wrong for that. So I guess what he did is go, uh, my mama is for me, and you know, did the video and then sent it to his mother, and his mother's like, Go to the office. He goes to the office, she follows right behind him and decides to over talk him and talk, talk, talk. And so it was a joke, just like all this other stuff. Somebody please tell me when we get to the funny part.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

I know it's not a joke. It's funny because you know, my daughter's in middle school, she's 14, she's actually about to graduate eighth grade, and she'll start ninth grade next year, so she'll be in high school. But she tells me that boys in her class think it's funny to do the Heil Hitler move where you put your arm up. And uh and they do it regularly, and and I think once or twice she was like, I get it, they're obnoxious, they're boys, they're trying to get attention. But she said they were doing it so regularly and joking about Nazis, and it really made her uncomfortable. And she was appalled that the teachers who saw this behavior really didn't say anything.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Wow, wow, and she's such a justice seeker. She goes for what's right. Imagine how comfortable people should the how comfortable they feel that they can wrap a charger around a baby doll's neck and throw it over in front of children of all colors. And you think, you know, kids are sitting there. Kids watch everything the teacher does. I mean, you know, they don't they'll tell you if they don't like your hair or your clothes.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Well, and what's the point of a joke like that?

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Why would that even need to be? See, this is what I want to know. But yet here we are again. It'll be go down the Keith Irvin, let's keep this person here, because they're so worried about that person suing them. You better be worried about this mother and everybody else in that classroom suing this school to let that happen, because you have to feel pretty daggum comfortable to do stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

A hundred percent. And I mean, the first thing that does is bring up images of lynchings and Jim Crow and segregation, and why do we want to go back down that road?

SPEAKER_00 38:59

I don't sickening. It should have never happened in the first place. Absolutely. And we've learned a lot. We've got uh civil rights museums and all this. You can't say you're that dumbass that that uh I didn't mean to. You did that on purpose.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Well, according to media reports, she has been fired. Good. So I think that's great. And uh we'll see what happens. But chances are she will, you know, we'll we'll see if she tries to fight for her job.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

I would love to see her fight for that because uh no, I'm like them kids. No, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_01 39:25

Yeah. Well, and good for the school. They apparently they provided counselors and were willing to meet with any of the students that were bothered by it. So it the very I guess the the silver lining is that it is creating this conversation to talk about hey, this is not appropriate. Right. This is not funny, this is not something you joke of.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

And we're calling you out for doing it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

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