REAL Confidence with Simone Knego | From Self-Doubt to Unshakable Self-Trust

Confidence doesn’t show up on command. It grows where you plant it. In this unapologetically real conversation on The Femme Cast, I sit down with keynote speaker, author, and podcast host Simone Knego to unpack the REAL method for building confidence that sticks:

Respect yourself
Embrace your failures
Ask what you truly want
Live without limits

Simone’s journey, from CPA to mom of six, to climbing Kilimanjaro, to leading a life of impact, shows how small, brave choices reshape identity, deepen relationships, and make visibility feel natural, not performative. We dive into her Control-Alt-Delete mindset reset, a practical tool to stop negative thought loops, rewrite your inner script, and delete patterns that don’t serve you.

This episode cuts through the noise of fake confidence. Pretending feels loud, restless, and exhausting. Real confidence is quiet: showing up without shape-shifting, allowing pauses, and celebrating both your wins and others’. We tackle the traps of social media comparison, the power of dropping “I’m just…,” and how sharing your hard stories turns shame into service.

If you’re ready to stop shrinking, step into your power, and rewrite your inner dialogue, this conversation is your map. Simone also shares insights from her new book, Real Confidence: A Simple Guide to Go From Unsure to Unshakable, and her podcast Her Unshakable Confidence.

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Transcript

Welcome And Guest Introduction

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Hey you guys, what is up? Welcome back to the show. So excited and grateful to have you guys here. Welcome if you're new. I have another incredible guest to share with you guys today, and I'm so excited to welcome her to the show. It is Simone Canego, you guys, and she is a keynote speaker, author, and podcast host. And she is going to be sharing her real confidence method with us today. Simone, thank you so much for being here. It is a pleasure to have you. Absolutely. Thanks for having me here. Tell us a little bit about for people who haven't met you, who don't know much about you, tell us a little bit about yourself so people can get to know you.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

So I'll start with first, I am a mom of six. We adopted our youngest three kids. So we're a beautiful rainbow. We have children from Ethiopia and South Korea, as well as three that look just like myself and my husband. I've been married for 32 years. And when I was in my 40s, I realized I needed a big change. And so I have completely reinvented my life. I am now a keynote speaker, author, podcast host, and coach. And I started my life as a certified public accountant. So pretty different from how I started. It's funny when you were.

Reinvention And Simone’s Story

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Sorry, go ahead. No, go, no. I was gonna say it's funny when you go into this personal development space, our timelines, our our trajectory is just so not linear, right? Like so completely out of this, out of the norm.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

But we grow up believing that when you're 18, you have to know exactly what you want to do for the rest of your life. And very few people are like that. My husband is somebody like that because he's a physician and he knew he wanted to do that from the time he was a little kid. I thought I wanted to be a physician, then I failed organic chemistry, then I got a DNA the second time. And that was basically the end of my charge at med school. So um I, you know, again, what was I good at? I was good at math. So I went into accounting. And did I love it? Not for one second. I I appreciate all the accounts out there because you do things that I don't have to do anymore. So thank you. Right?

Why Confidence Is A Skill

SPEAKER_00 2:39

I agree. Okay, so you've got this amazing method. It's called the real method for building confidence. I'm very excited because I know my listeners are gonna get so much out of this because confidence is the one thing that will really kind of just put that veil between you and your audience when we're talking about visibility. So why don't you tell us a little bit about that method? Yeah.

The REAL Method Explained

SPEAKER_01 3:01

So I'll start with that. Confidence isn't something something other people have and you don't. It isn't something you're born with. It's a skill that you build, right? And when we're not building, it gets chipped away. So think about when you go to the gym, right? If you go to the gym one time, you're not all of a sudden going to be like super buff, right? Or you take one Spanish lesson, you're not gonna be fluent in Spanish. You have to work on it. It's the same thing with mindset. So it's the same thing with confidence. You have to work on it. And it again, it just doesn't magically appear. And so this method was born out of an experience that I had, really trying to figure out because I struggled for so long. People were like, oh, she has it all together. She has six kids, and I pretended to, and I was holding on by a thread, right? Everybody thought I should be really strong and that I was really strong. So that's what I pretended to be. Like I didn't cry for a significant amount of years because I I thought if I cried, like everything would fall apart, right? Everything would fall apart. Women put that pressure on themselves, though. We do that. Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous, but we do that. So real stands for respect yourself, embrace your failures, ask yourself what you want, and live without limits. Wow. And I start with respect yourself because I remember as a child being taught to respect my elders, my peers, but never once do I remember being taught that the most important person to respect is yourself. And that right there changes everything. You know, so often we see people see people walk into a room and they say, Okay, I'm gonna demand respect. But if you're not demonstrating it to yourself, people don't know how to treat you, right? So if you're constantly saying, Oh yeah, I'll do that, or sure, no problem. I yeah, I'm the yes girl. Sure, give it to me. If you don't set boundaries, if you don't take care of yourself, then people think, well, I don't need to treat her well because she doesn't treat herself well. And so we really need to start with that mindset shift of saying, yeah, and it's not a big ego, it's not selfish respecting yourself, it's instrumental in your life.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Yeah. It's actually the healthiest thing you can do for your relationships. I always say you teach people how to treat you, right? We've heard that a thousand times. It's not my own personal thing that I've, you know, branded or anything, but you know, you hear it all the time, and I always live by that. You teach people how to treat you. And it starts with, like you said, respecting yourself, you know, being kind to yourself, being compassionate toward yourself, and and and that will will show up in your relationships and people will mirror that back to you.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yeah, and how you talk about yourself, right? I mean, uh we get so stuck in this cycle of we don't even realize what we're saying to ourselves, right? We it's constantly, oh, you're not smart enough, you're not good enough for this. You don't don't apply for that, you're not ready for that. And it's so not true, but that's what we do constantly. There's a I have a little mindset hack for it that I'd love to share with your audience.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Um, please.

Control Alt Delete Mindset Hack

SPEAKER_01 6:02

So there's actually a study out of Queen's University in Canada that shows that there's a bunch of different studies about how many thoughts we have every day, but this one is about 6,200 thoughts a day. 85% of them are negative, 95% are repetitive. So basically, day after day, these same negative thoughts on repeat. And so my mindset hack, it's got a very clever title. It's called control alt-delete. So I love this. So back in the day, that was how you would reset a frozen computer. Now it brings up task manager. I don't know what task manager does, but it does something. So control is about, you know, sometimes our brains freeze too, right? We spiral in self-doubt, we get stuck in that comparison game. So control is about awareness. That's the first piece. Like, what's the story that you're telling yourself? Is it real? Is it helpful? Most of the time the answer is no. Like when we get in that emotional state where we're walking in somewhere and we're like, oh my gosh, I'm nobody's gonna talk to me. Like, I don't want dressed right, like all these things that we'll say to ourselves. And okay, what's the story? Right. That's okay. Alt is about alternative. Tell yourself a better story, right? Your thoughts become your reality, your words become your reality. So tell yourself something different. And tell instead of saying you can't do something, yes, you can. And then the answer is watch me. Instead of what if I fail? How about when I succeed? And I mean, there's so much research behind it. The more you say things to yourself in a positive way, it's gonna happen. That's what you believe. And so it's not about toxic positivity, it's about doing what you need for yourself. And finally, delete, delete the habits and beliefs that don't serve you. Delete the comparison game, delete the belief you're not enough. Delete the idea that you need to wait until you feel ready. I like to say waiting until you feel ready is like waiting for IKEA instructions to actually make sense. It is not gonna happen. So you do not need to wait. It's true. Why did they make them so hard? Go on. So it's really, you know, when you when you're in that moment of doubt, you just say, okay, is this real? Is this really it's you know, what's happening right now? And go through the steps. And then you can be like, okay, that's let me tell myself a different story. And, you know, walk into wherever you were going to go, and you're gonna do fine.

Pretend Confidence Vs Real Confidence

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Oh my God, I love that. That is just so resonant for for in so many ways. I there there was one thing that you touched on, and I was the real method, but there's one thing that you mentioned that I can so resonate with, and that is this whole concept of faking confidence and pretending and you know, fooling everyone around you to think that you have it all together. Can you tell me the difference between pretending confidence versus real confidence, right? Because there's a stark difference there and it feels very different.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Yeah. I mean, when you're pretending, you know you're pretending, right? I mean, you walk in that room and you're like, okay, I'm I'm just gonna say it all because that's what people expect. And you know, and you feel so unsure of yourself. And you see this a lot with people when they're really loud and they're typically the people who are struggling the most. And the only way they know to kind of go around it is to make up for it in a different way. So when you're not comfortable with yourself, you tend to do things that are bigger because you think that people will notice will notice you more that way. And I really think that confidence is just the quiet within yourself. Like you don't feel like you have to do everything. You understand that what you're doing is enough, that you are enough. So when you walk in the room, you're willing to contribute, but you're not willing to say, I'm gonna change everything about myself just so that I fit in. And we see this so often, especially with social media now, right? I mean, you see, and so much with younger girls, the idea that you have to change who you are to fit in. Yeah, not that that's a new thing, but it's just so much bigger now that they see everything on social media. And that's a big reason I have the podcast with my 23-year-old daughter because, and it's called her her unshakable confidence to help her get there quicker. Because when I was her age, I was a mess. You know, I got married at 21. Luckily, we lasted, like with the fact that we've been married 32 years, but I didn't know what I was doing with anything because we didn't talk about things, right? I mean, I mean, at least for me, anything that happened was shh, don't tell people about that. Don't tell people about that. My answer is yes, talk about it. To say it out loud because things that happen in your life are part of who you are, right? You don't, you shouldn't be embarrassed or ashamed. You fall down, you get back up again. What'd you learn from it?

SPEAKER_00 10:46

So many women are ashamed to share their stories, to share their struggle because they think it's something bad or it's attention seeking, but we get so much when we start to really share our experiences, our stories, because you know, we realize that A, we're not the only ones feeling that way. And and and B, we get so much out of, you know, when we start to share how we move through it, that helps inspire other people, right? Yeah. I know for me, like, just to like, you know, bring your reiterate your point about the whole, you know, faking confidence. For me, it always felt like I was constantly performing, like I was constantly in my head. What do I say next? Oh my God, how do I fill this gap of silence? What do I wear? How do I show up? What do I talk about? What like what do I need to hide so people don't actually see? It's like this constant, like obsessing over what other people are thinking and how you're gonna show up and to to to to make an impression, to show up as being confident, as being empowered as someone who's got it all together when deep down inside, if you're having to think about it, that's your first clue that you're not, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Yeah. I mean, you shouldn't have to prove yourself, right? Yeah, you should walk in the room and be just be able to be and not have to think, okay, what do I say next? Exactly. Like I actually am at the point in my life that I don't find silence awkward. Yeah. If you have nothing to say, like why are you making up stuff?

SPEAKER_00 12:11

It's it's it's a beautiful place to be. It's actually a very comfortable place once you get used to it. And you know, I do find that it actually makes something about confidence actually makes how you connect with others so much more authentic because you've taken the performance out of it, right? Yeah. And you're really to just be present and just connect and listen to what people are saying versus always preemptively thinking what you're gonna say next, right? Yeah, and which is beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

You're also willing to really share your opinions on things, right? And again, one of the problems we have in, I would say, this world in general is that we have forgotten how to agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Yes, right.

Sharing Stories And Owning Your Past

Words Shape Reality And Capability

SPEAKER_01 12:53

And so thank you. Being able to agree to disagree is another big piece of confidence because why do you have to be right all the time? Right. If you feel good about yourself, you don't have to worry about proving yourself. You're like, yeah, okay, they don't they don't agree with me. That's okay. Like this is what I'm doing, anyways. And we don't need that external validation from somebody else. You know, so much of that is, I think, one of the biggest problems is that we wait for someone else to tell us that we're good enough or that we're ready to apply for the job, or you know, oh, we should go here instead of asking ourselves, like, is that what we really want to do? And it's funny when I when I well, we didn't actually even talk about it, but so Kilimajaro. I climbed Kilmajaro in when I was 42 years old, I'm 53 now, and completely life-changing experience for me. That was the big moment where I was like, okay, I don't need to worry about what anybody else is thinking. I, if I set a goal and put in the work, I can accomplish it, right? I don't need because I had people say to me, Oh, do you really think you're gonna make it to the top? No, I think I'm gonna make it halfway, that's why I'm doing it. Thanks so much for your support, right? So you have to kind of get over those pieces because when pe what I realize is when people can't see themselves in your shoes, then they don't see how you're capable of doing it. So so much of that negativity that will come off of other people or the I would say negativity, it it's because they can't see themselves doing it. So my answer is always come with me, you know? Yeah, yes, come with me because why not? Then they're like, oh my gosh. But what a lot of the times I heard, oh, I could never do that. Well, do you want to? No, I don't want to. Well, then use those words because every time you tell yourself you can't do something, it makes your brain brain believe that you're not capable of things. If you say you don't want to, it just means you're not interested. It's like two completely different things. So the way the words you use are change your life.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Oh my gosh, that's amazing. And I I I knew you were gonna be a very aligned guest. I didn't realize how aligned because at 42, well, I didn't climb Kilimanjaro, but I did climb a volcano. I can I can resonate very much with everything that you just said now, and I know I had a really profound moment on the top of that volcano that was really a turning point for me. I'm curious what that was like for you because Kilimanjaro is a big deal.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

I mean, how many meters is that up in you're gonna ask me between 19,341 feet, so I don't know, over 6,000 meters?

SPEAKER_00 18:38

Wow, that is so much higher than what I climbed. Okay. Yeah. So but like how did it feel?

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Like yeah, it was it was life changing. And and again, maybe it sounds cliche. Oh, yeah, I climbed a mountain, but it was the mindset shift that happened for me that that was the transformation because I really thought about why am I worried about what anybody else is thinking? Like, yeah, I do amazing things. Why am I judging myself all the time? I judge myself before other people even judge me. I love to say to people, like, we're so worried about what other people are thinking, they're not thinking about you. Most of the time, they're like worried about themselves. So we get up all in our head that, oh my gosh, they're thinking about me. What are they thinking? No, they're not. You're thinking about what they're thinking more than they're thinking.

unknown 19:24

Yeah.

Drop The Just And Take Up Space

SPEAKER_01 19:25

And like when you're comparing yourself to other people, they have no idea that you're doing it, right? So the only person that's suffering from it is you, they're totally fine. So yeah, it's it's such an interesting thing. But yeah, it was completely, it wasn't just transformational for me, it was transformational for my family. I mean, the work I do now is all based on what happened after that, right? So I had that moment, and then I was like, okay, what do I want to do with my life? I mean, I think that's one of the hardest things for women to ask themselves is what do you want? Oh, well, I'm doing this. No, what do you want? Oh, I don't know, I've never been asked that before. So because we are so used to doing for everybody else that it's really hard to take a step back and say, okay, when I was a kid, what did I want to be? I wanted to be an actress. And so I'm obviously not doing that, but a lot of it is similar, right? Being on stage, being on podcasts. Yeah, you really get to use your voice. And so there's always an opportunity to go back to your little kid self and think, okay, what did I really enjoy back then? What kind of hobby can I pick up? I'm not saying quit your job tomorrow, but you know, what can I do to really fill my cup? Because for me, I think that's what was missing. I was trying so hard to fit in with everything and everybody that I never realized what I wanted.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

Oh my goodness. And it's true, like when you think back to those little clues that you get in childhood, like I remember I wanted, I just used to always I pretend I was performing. I used to grab a fake microphone, pretend I was performing. And and and that was the thing that kept my like child, like my my my my little girl like excited and and playful and and what I used to pretend make believe all the time. And so to your point, here we are, how many years later with microphones talking to one another? Exactly. Right? Letting our inner children kind of like play out, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

And I think podcasting is such a cool thing because you meet people you would never meet in any other realm. That's true, right? I mean, you live in Toronto, I live in Florida, like we would have not, although one of my best friends is from Toronto, but still, like we wouldn't have met. So it's such a cool way to meet people and a form of expression and being able to share your thoughts. Like, I I love every part of it.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

You also don't realize how many people are actually listening and how many people you're reaching with your message. Like, I had a guest and we just recorded, I haven't posted her episode yet. Amazing guest from Ireland, and and so to your point, you like you meet people all over the world, right? And you know, she was sharing to me like for the longest time, she thought nobody was really listening, and she didn't know, like, okay, I'm putting all this stuff out, but is it really landing? She got some random message from somebody that she had never heard from before saying, Thank you so much. Like, you have no idea what your podcast has done for me. And that moment for her was like, you know, it was it was a coming back to self kind of moment because she didn't realize the impact she was making because you can't see it. You're just, you know, you're here you are in front of a mic, in front of a camera. Maybe you've got a guest that you're talking to, or maybe you're just storytelling on your own, but you have no idea the impact your story makes on the other end. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

And I think that's true about social media too. Like, you know, I think a lot of people scroll and scroll and scroll. Every once in a while, they'll click like on something. Yeah, who knows what that I'm sure there's some science behind it, why they, you know, they click like on something.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Oh, there's so much science behind it. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

But then all of a sudden you run into someone in person, they're like, oh my gosh, you're doing so many cool things right now. Like, thank you for the post about this. And I'm like, I had no idea you read it, right? I mean, so so you don't know, you don't know what happens, but just know that you're impacting people, right? Your your voice impacts people, and if they can, it's like paying it forward.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

Absolutely. And that's why confidence is such an important part of that, because you're able to share so much more and so much more vulnerably and authentically when you can kind of flex that confidence muscle, right?

Celebrate Wins And Build Momentum

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Yeah, and and really think about, you know, when we talk about the power of words. So one of the things I used to do when I was younger, I when I would describe myself, because there was a period of time where I was a stay-at-home mom, I would say, I'm just a stay-at-home mom, I'm just Rob's wife, I'm just a volunteer, really justifying my existence. Drop the just, right? I mean, when you start listening to women talk about themselves, you'll hear the word just a lot. And you're not just anything, you're not just anyone. You are you. You are the only you in the world. And we need to be proud of exactly who we are. You know, I love to, one of the biggest things I tell people is you don't need to change who you are. You need to change the way you see yourself. Everything starts with you. Everything starts with you.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

A thousand percent. I think that comes a lot with the conditioning of, you know, whether intentionally or unintentionally, of just, you know, this belief that we need to play small, not take up too much space, not have too much, not stand out too much. Oh, I'm just this, oh, I'm just that, oh, I only I only have this, oh, I only have that. There's this element of not wanting to be labeled as too much or having too much or taking up too much space or being too outspoken or too proud. God forbid you be too proud, right? Like I know for me growing up was like, oh, you don't you don't brag about any, like, you know, any successes are kind of kept on the down low, right? So I think a lot of that comes from that fear of of you know, really being able to take a stand for who you are, for what you're worth, for what you have, and not feel bad about it.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Yeah. I mean, you can celebrate all of your accomplishments, and that it has nothing to do with ego, especially when you talk about your struggles as well, right? So I think if you're willing to say, okay, well, this didn't go the way I thought it was gonna go. And when you're willing to do that, then people are like, Oh, yeah, she's human. Yeah, this is amazing.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

But if we point out your mistakes, your flaws, you celebrate your successes, you celebrate other people's successes too, which I think kind of rounds that out nicely. I think that's what really makes a difference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

And I think one of the things I really noticed when I started feeling more confident was I never I stopped looking at other women and thinking, why isn't that my life? Like, why why don't My kids smile like that in a photo. Why didn't I get that, you know, speaking gig? Why I stopped that completely went away from me. And now it's like, that's amazing. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Because that has nothing to do with me, right? I it it doesn't. Thousand percent. So start watching for that as you as you're building confidence. Start thinking that I don't need to worry about what anybody else is doing. And yes, congratulations. They did amazing. Congratulations. And that was a huge shift for me because going through the through the why me more, you know, mentality, why me or poor me. And instead of, wow, that's amazing. Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

It is so easy to feel small when you compare yourself to somebody who's so far ahead of where you're at. But to your point, I think when we can start to celebrate other people's successes, we naturally become more and more aligned to experience that same level of success rather than being resentful of it, right? Yeah, absolutely.

Parting Advice And Book Details

SPEAKER_01 26:42

And you know, but it's something that we have to pay attention to because we have been trained in a certain way, you know, whether it's our parents, ourselves, our relationships, society as a whole, to say, yeah, don't talk about your accomplishments, you know, don't celebrate this, or or that's not worth celebrating. Everything is worth celebrating, right? I mean, you know, when I check things off my list, I'm like, yes, I checked it off my list, you know? Like right now, I'm my oldest son and his wife are having a baby this summer. And so we're hosting a baby shower here. And I just finished the invitation. Thank you. I know I'm so excited. And I just finished the invitation, and now I just have to put the email addresses and send it off and then check it off the list. So, and my hack for that is I make all my lists. I still like written lists. I don't really like my phone because then I can ignore it. But I like written lists and I I do it on pink paper so that I can never lose it. Because if I do it on a white piece of paper, it's gonna disappear with all the kids' junk. So pink piece of paper, I can always find it. And then even if I had this is probably the craziest thing I do. Even if I I do something it's not on the list, I write it on the list and then check it off because I'm like, I accomplished that. I've done that.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

There is such a sense of accomplishment when you write something on a list and then just check it off, even if you've already done it. I've done that a thousand times.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Yeah, I'm like, I did it, I accomplished it. And that's a celebration, right? I mean, so we don't need to wait to celebrate only the big things. It's like, I got all the laundry done today. Yay, you know, so we need to give ourselves credit for what we're actually doing instead instead of worrying about what anybody else is doing.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

That is so amazing. If you had, if you and I'm just being mindful of the time, if you had one thing to say to the woman out there who is, you know, struggling with her confidence, struggling to be visible, struggling to share yourself with the world, what do you have to say to her?

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Yeah, I mean, I I feel you, I see you, I hear you because that was me. And it's that realization of that you don't need to change who you are. You need to change the way you see yourself because you are amazing as you are, but you have to give yourself credit for it.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Amen. Amen to that. Now you've got some exciting things coming out into the world. I mean, that's why I wanted to leave some time at the end. You've got a new book coming out. Please tell the audience about that because I'm sure if they want to learn more about your process, that will be extremely helpful.

Closing And Next Steps

SPEAKER_01 29:06

So I'm very excited. So it comes out. Well, it'll be out when this comes out. February 17th. And it's called Real Confidence, a simple guide to go from unsure to unshakable. It is all about the real method. It's a very, it's a very vulnerable book. I mean, I really open up the book with my struggles. Struggling as a mom, struggling. I had an abusive boyfriend when I was in high school and how that really shaped the trajectory of my life. And I am now putting it out there into the world. So I told it one time on stage. Yeah. And and I talk about it on podcasts all the time. I told it one time on stage, and I actually froze after I told the story because I realized that I was literally telling this story in front of 60 people when my whole life I thought it was something that I should be ashamed of or embarrassed of. And so and as soon as I told the story, I had so many women afterwards come up and say to me, I had a relationship like that, or my daughter's in a relationship like that. And it was like, okay, this is why I need to share. Because if I can help one person see themselves differently, then it's all worth it. But anyway, so that book, it's all based on the real method and so excited to get it out there in the world. Really happy with how it turned out. And you can find it online anywhere you find books. And yeah, my podcast with my daughter. So that's something that we've been doing for two and a half years now. And it's called Her Unshakable Confidence. That one is a blast because really having guests on there that we learn from every single time, or we do every other week just the two of us, and we talk about what we're struggling with in the moment and how to work through it. And it's been so beneficial for both of us. I mean, watching her grow as a human. Now, only one of my one out of my six children want to be in a podcast with me, but I feel like that's not too bad, actually. It's not everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure. No, right. We actually brought my oldest daughter on one time as a guest, and she was like, that was horrible. I don't understand how you like this at all. She's like, you have to think on your feet, you have to think so fast. I don't want to do that. I was like, okay, you don't have to come back again. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

Come back in a year or two.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Yeah, yeah. But those are those are my, and I'm doing a lot of speaking. So my big thing is keynote speaking, so especially on stages for women. So that's what I'm saying. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

You're doing such amazing work in the world, someone. I it's been a pleasure to have you here, an honor. And you know, anything we can do to support you. I know I'm already dying to have you back before we've even wrapped up this first episode. So you'll be hearing from me again. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for sharing yourself with my audience. I will leave all your info and details in the show notes below. Can't wait to have you back. Yeah, thanks so much. I really enjoyed our conversation. All right, you guys, that about wraps up this episode. Thank you so much for tuning in. Until next time, massive love, you guys.