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122. Lead Like a Maverick: Rule-Breaking Strategies That Work

• Aaron Walker

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What if the key to authentic leadership isn't following established frameworks but boldly forging your own path? In this thought-provoking exploration of maverick leadership, we challenge the epidemic of sameness plaguing Christian business leadership today.

Most leaders won't admit we're not drowning in a lack of information—we're suffocating in sameness. Every podcast, book, and leadership course tells you to follow a system someone else created. But what if that playbook wasn't written for your unique calling and vision? What if God designed you to color outside the lines?

A true maverick isn't reckless or rebellious—they're resolute and redemptive. They break rules not for the thrill of being different but when those rules block the mission God placed on their heart. These leaders prioritize conviction over conformity, creativity over comfort, and calling over credentials.

Fear often paralyzes potential mavericks. Many can't tolerate the idea of failing, yet the greatest entrepreneurs fear missing opportunities more than they fear failure. As one guest explains, "I couldn't lie there in bed and go, 'I wonder if it would have worked.' That would kill me." This doesn't mean risking everything—wisdom dictates experimenting, testing markets, and agreeing with your spouse on what percentage of resources you're willing to risk.

Successful maverick leadership requires surrounding yourself with diverse perspectives. One billionaire entrepreneur shared his secret: dedicating 10% of his reading to topics he had no interest in, which counterintuitively produced 90% of his success by exposing him to different viewpoints and solutions.

Ready to break free from conventional thinking? Start questioning the rules you've been unconsciously following. Your legacy won't be built by how well you followed someone else's playbook, but by the lives you changed when you dared to write a new one. Set a new standard built on purpose, people, and Kingdom impact—because mavericks aren't born, they're forged through courage and conviction.


Key Takeaways:

  • Learn how to think like a maverick.
  • What does it mean to suffocate in sameness?
  • What does it cost to be a maverick? 
  • Learn rule-breaking strategies that work.
  • How to balance risk and vision.
  • Why leading with purpose, not conformity, is so important. 


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Seth Buechley:

So, in a world filled with frameworks, with a lot of people conforming to the status quo and everybody's saying they've got a plan for your life, how do you learn to think like a maverick? How do you learn to pursue what truly matters to you so that you can leave a life of purpose, impact and legacy? That's what we're diving into today, so settle in. So what if the real key to leadership isn't following the rules, it isn't chasing the status quo, it isn't doing what everybody else is doing, but actually breaking the rules and thinking differently. Else is doing, but actually breaking the rules and thinking differently. So let's dive into this idea of what it looks like to lead like a maverick Big A. Let's talk about what maverick leadership styles look like.

Aaron Walker:

Hey, I'm pretty fired up to be here today. How was your week? First of all, Seth, you had a good one.

Seth Buechley:

It was wonderful we're coming off of Easter weekend when this is getting recorded and just had a wonderful time with my kids, my grandkids, all the things.

Aaron Walker:

Hey, I got to see you. The week prior to that too. We had the live event here in Nashville. How did you like the live event? Was it good for you?

Seth Buechley:

It's always good for me, you know, when you build relationships by Zoom, it's always good to press the flesh a little bit, and Nashville is a great city and it's always fun to go a little bit deeper with the guys and just carry that momentum into our weekly calls afterwards.

Aaron Walker:

Our theme was breaking barriers and, man, I have seen so many guys overcome those obstacles in their life to help them scale their business, to help them really go deeper with their families, and there were so many barriers that came down. I'm still jacked up about that week. It was just so fun to get those guys in the same room, have the meals together, pray together, have worship time together, do breakout sessions. It was just amazing time. You had some really cool breakthroughs yourself. I know that we talked about a little bit and you had some family you got to visit while you were here. You just made a whole week out of it.

Seth Buechley:

We did, you know it. Just, it was a reminder on a bunch of fronts that everybody's going through stuff and when you get together and you get a little bit more time, you can go a little deeper into that. And I had some amazing family reconciliation moments. I had some major business changes. All that happened within that week, so definitely memorable. I've almost forgotten about it because it's been a whole week ago.

Aaron Walker:

I know we need to get another one. We need to get one between the meetings that we normally do, leading like a maverick, rule-breaking strategies that work. This is going to be a good topic, it's going to be fun, but there's some problems involved in being a maverick, and here's the truth that most leaders won't really admit. We're not drowning in a lack of information. We're not at all. What we're doing is we're suffocating in sameness. That's what we're doing, and I don't like sameness.

Aaron Walker:

Robin says I'm a maverick in everything that I do, but when you start thinking about every podcast you listen to, every book that you read, every leadership course that you take, it tells you to follow these steps and trust the system and stick to the playbook. But what if the playbook wasn't written for me? What if it was written for somebody else's game? And what I think the real problem is today is there's too many Christian business owners out there leading like copycats in a world that's crying out for originals. And Robin said are you always a maverick? Are you always the one that goes the other direction? I don't know. Maybe I am, but I don't think we were called to be predictable. I think we were called to be powerful, and in this episode we're going to talk about the leaders who felt boxed in. Who's tired of coloring inside the lines while watching others blaze a trail? So I'm pretty amped up. Seth, you'll have to look out, because this episode really, really resonates with me. But what about you? Are you a maverick?

Seth Buechley:

I am. It's been called a rebel and certainly as a kid, I think I've always been a leader, but I was a bit of a negative leader. And then at some point you conclude, hey, you grow up and you're like okay, I'm a leader, you know that's a tremendous privilege, but I still have to go, you know, make stuff happen. Yeah, I'm definitely. I lean on that side. Rebel is a negative word, as you know.

Aaron Walker:

It does? It feels negative, doesn't it? It feels like a troublemaker.

Seth Buechley:

It speaks to like rebellion and you know, incorrigible, you're never going to figure it out, kind of thing. But a maverick, I don't think it has to be a negative word. In fact I was thinking you know, danger zone, highway to the danger zone, I'm tempted to sing it Once.

Aaron Walker:

I saw this topic in this podcast.

Seth Buechley:

I was like Kenny Loggins running through my head highway to the danger zone. We see Tom Cruise and Maverick and the Top Gun and all that.

Aaron Walker:

I love that movie.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, all that God bless America movie. But it can be a very positive word, but there's price to be paid for being a Maverick too right you got to be willing to stand alone.

Aaron Walker:

You got to be willing to push through the fire.

Aaron Walker:

You know I was thinking about what a Maverick even is. And a maverick, really in the world of Christian business leadership, I think, is a bold, principled trailblazer who refuses to be confined by tradition when it hinders truth, purpose or impact. That's what really a maverick is that we're going to talk about today. This is not a guy that's reckless. This is a guy that's resolute and he's not rebellious. He's not that guy. That's not who I'm talking about. This guy's redemptive and he doesn't break rules just to be different. He breaks them when they block the mission God has put on his life and it gets in the way.

Aaron Walker:

And I think that these mavericks that we're talking about today, people that I admire, people that I follow they have conviction over conformity and they have creativity over comfort and they have a calling over credentials. And I think that when God puts a calling in your life, nothing's going to stop you, nothing's going to hold you back, and I love having that disposition personally. It's like people tell me you can't do that. I say you stand right over there and watch. You're fixing to witness it for the first time because we're going there.

Seth Buechley:

Well, you don't drink, but if you did, you'd say hold my beer, because watch this.

Aaron Walker:

I don't drink, and you're right, but that is what I would say. I would say hold it, I'm fixing to go over there and I'm going to do this. This is the kind of guy that's not afraid of challenging systems, he questions the norms and he goes and carves a new path. Yeah, I remember when we were in South America we were fishing. I don't know if you've ever been to South America or not. We were down in the Amazon. We flew into Caracas and drove over to Columbia. Then we drove through the jungle and we've got these natives and they're carrying our boat down to the Amazon and I'm like, pinch me, like. I'm in the Amazon, I'm about to fish for peacock bass.

Aaron Walker:

We go two hours up the Orinoco. We get to the Tomah River. We take a right, go up the Tomah River and when I did, I look over there and there's all this little trees about three inches in diameter and they're growing in the water. And then on the other side, probably a hundred yards through there, you could see a big open pool of water. And I told the guy. I said, hey, I want to go over there and fish. He goes, we can't get over there. I said, sure, we can get over there. You got a machete and he goes no, we can't get over there. I said, get me up to those trees. And so we went up there and we hacked our way through those trees and we got to that pool of water Seth. We caught fish that were unbelievable.

Seth Buechley:

We blazed our own trail. See once that happens one time to a guy.

Aaron Walker:

We're ruined for the rest of our life. It worked, it did work and it did work and the results were amazing. Now I've done that, metaphorically speaking, in other venues and it didn't work out so well. It kind of got me in trouble. But the truth is is that I want to go where no one else has been. Yeah, like, I want to see it a different kind of way, and that's the reason I'm so excited about this episode today.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, and again, I think that that's hardwiring, that's personality, that's gifting. You know, nothing happens in this world until somebody gets frustrated enough to say I'm going to fix that, I'm going to change that Right. And so, you know, we have a lot of entrepreneurs that listen to this podcast. We have a lot of business owners that probably wouldn't identify as being entrepreneurs. But you know, right now in our society, you know, we've got a guy that's putting on display what it looks like to challenge norms in Elon Musk right.

Seth Buechley:

Oh man, golly, what a maverick. Because he's just saying listen, this is the goal. Yeah, I realize that none of us in history have figured out how to solve that problem, but it doesn't mean that we can't right. What if right, what if right. And the thing that we also have to remember is you know, and I come, I have a little bit of a technology background, if you will, or at least I'm around technology, and one of the things about innovation is it requires a willingness to fail. See, a lot of the reason people aren't mavericks and they don't embrace that Maverick mentality, right is they can't tolerate the idea of actually failing. In fact, in our Iron Sharpens, iron Mastermind, this very morning, one of our members was coming to grips with what would feel like a failure to his business. But is something that he wants to pivot to do something else? And he's coming to grips with. But it's something that he wants to pivot to do something else, and he's coming to grips with what if right? I've never had a failure, right, but he sees this thing on the other side of it and that's really the price of admission.

Seth Buechley:

You know, mavericks have this willingness to go for it and, like you know what if it doesn't work? Oh well, I'll survive, I'll live. But can I tolerate not trying right? A maverick challenges that conventional wisdom is willing to be not a conformist right, and then seeking this better way, or at least asking the question there must be a better way. Now I will take a quick bunny trail here and then I'll yield the mic big A, and then, as I know as an entrepreneur, sometimes I've been guilty of thinking well, if everybody's doing it this way, then surely there's a better way. But that's not always true. Sometimes the reason they're doing it, the way they're doing it, is because it's the only way that works. There, literally, is no other way, right. But still we have to have this mindset of knowing when to try these bold initiatives.

Aaron Walker:

You know it's really helped me kind of work through that over the years. And I do understand this goes into other principles of our life. I do understand that there's responsibilities and obligations that we have commitments to and we call those the golden handcuffs. It disallows you from doing some things differently, because you can't miss a paycheck, you can't miss a royalty payment, you can't miss a commission, because if you do then you can't make this payment. That goes into another principle of not over-leveraging yourself and getting into that bondage that Scripture so clearly outlays for us, and so we can talk on a different episode about that. But as you get a little bit older you have more flexibility and more freedom and what has really helped serve me well over the course of my life is, I fear missing an opportunity more than I fear failure. And when you really start thinking about I couldn't lay there in bed and go, I wonder if it would have worked. That would kill me.

Seth Buechley:

Interesting yeah.

Aaron Walker:

I'm like I'd rather do it and it not work. And now I know then I would be my whole life carry on my shoulders. Would it have worked?

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, well, that's definitely the courage piece, right? Right, it's the courage piece. So, as we think about this maverick mindset you know I talked about, you got to embrace this non-conformity. You got to be willing to not be status quo or standard. You might look a little weird, right, you might be the kind of that social outcast. You might not have anything in common with the people that are hanging out at the, you know, at the party or the country club or even the church. Right, you got to be willing to stand separately, but you also have to think like Wile E Coyote. You got to cultivate some resourcefulness.

Seth Buechley:

You got to say, where's the duct tape, Where's the bailing wire? Because everybody's going to say, well, if I had enough money and enough time I could do this. And it's like, well, you know what? You don't have all of those things, but nevertheless, what resources can be rallied and what can you create with a little bit of blood, sweat, tears and elbow grease to really innovate and do something nobody's ever done.

Aaron Walker:

Robin asked me, sometimes She'll come out and see me doing a project and she'll go. How did you think of that? And I'm like looking at it from different perspectives and talking to people that don't have anything in common with me because they look at it differently. And that's what the value of being in community is. The greatest value is other people's perspective. I remember used to I would go in the Eagles group and I would have three ideas when I would get there every Wednesday morning at seven o'clock and I would share the ideas and people would say that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Then other people, like you know, dan Miller would pop up or Ken Abraham would pop up and go wait a minute, if you do this or if you change that or if you add this resource, and I'm like I didn't even know that resource existed Exactly. See, it's the perspective from different people that have different filters, different life experiences, that introduce us to things.

Aaron Walker:

I met Jeff Hoffman at an event. One of the Priceline investors, early adopters, was Jeff Hoffman, multi-billionaire, and I got an opportunity to talk to him out in the hallway after a conference and I said what is the best advice you could give an entrepreneur? He said you're not going to like it and you're probably not going to understand it. And I said okay, what is it? He said I'm an avid reader. And he said that 10% of everything I read has nothing to do with anything I'm interested in. And I said you got to explain that a little deeper.

Aaron Walker:

He thing I'm interested in. And I said you got to explain that a little deeper. He said well, I'm interested in these three things. And he told me, and I said yeah, he said, but I'll actively read about things that I have no interest in. He said the irony of that is, 90% of my success has come out of that 10% reading, because it gave me a different perspective. See, these conformists they only want to read things that they're interested in. Yeah, this is the only way right, and so I've adopted that principle as well, and read and study about things that I'm really not interested in, and then it opens new doors for you yeah, my problem is I'm interested in everything big a, so that's a different well, you've got the shiny object syndrome we've got to narrow your focus a little bit.

Seth Buechley:

Well, one other thing that really factors into a Maverick mindset is you got to be willing to push through the opposition. You're going to have opposition, you're going to have resistance. We think about an airplane, since we're in top gun Maverick mode today. Maverick said the enemy doesn't know your limits, right. So you know, we've got to push through and endure things that don't feel comfortable, right? I often think about an airplane right Before you take off. You know you're bouncing down the tarmac and it's noisy and it's bumpy and you're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it.

Seth Buechley:

I hope it takes off, hurry Right, and then it. Then it gets off the ground and all of a sudden it smooths out and eventually it quiets out. But you had to go through the resistance, right? Steven Pressfield in his killer book called the War of Art said you know, part of us having expression as entrepreneurs and business people in his context it was around being a writer is you got to push through the resistance because you're going to hear all of these voices telling you not now, you're not qualified, you're not the guy who do you think you are Like all of these voices that rattle around in our head, that society that's why everybody's conforming is they're all hearing the same voices, right, but at some point somebody has enough conviction, maybe desperation. You know I can think about businesses. You know, what really motivates me is actually the idea of solving really big problems. I don't feel like I'm particularly money motivated Now. I get money motivated from time to time when I run out of money and I'm like okay.

Seth Buechley:

You know I have some more right. But you know solving these big problems. But you got to know going into it that you're going to have to face down that resistance and that opposition.

Aaron Walker:

Seth, let me suggest to the listeners that are new entrepreneurs that are just starting married less than five years, got one or two children, got a mortgage, and the entrepreneur goes to his wife and says, hey, I want to do this new thing, whatever this new thing is. There's usually great opposition because there's a risk involved. I always tell those guys why don't you come to an agreement with your spouse of a percentage of your net worth that you're willing to risk? Don't bet the whole farm, don't put your family at risk. I'm not suggesting that ever, but there is a percentage of your net worth that you should be willing. At this young age, there is no great gains where there is no greater risk and so be willing to venture a percentage of your net worth in order to be the maverick right. Don't go out there and go. I'm going to start this new thing. We're putting everything we've got. It's like no, that'd be foolish. But I would just suggest that you both agree on a percentage and see how that goes for you.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, and get yourself some people around you that can kick the tires and give you that outside perspective. As you said earlier, being a maverick is more around being courageous, you know, and taking action, not about being foolish and stubborn and, you know, not listening to anybody else, right?

Aaron Walker:

Yeah, I think we all, there's a value in the consensus of the multitudes and other people's perspective, their willingness to have a greater superpower than you might have in an area, trusting in people that have gone the road before you mentors, leaders, mastermind groups, peer advisory groups. These are really strong and extremely valuable, and I attribute probably what little success I've had to the past 25 years being involved weekly. I thought about this the other day. I've been in a mastermind meeting every week for 26 years and I can't even begin to tell you the value that's been for me, because there's so many boneheaded mistakes that I would have made had I not had these trusted advisors around me. Well, what about these rule-breaking strategies that we mentioned earlier?

Aaron Walker:

Some of the things that I want to encourage you to think about is to experiment. You don't have to go all in at one time. I've got a family member right now that's thinking about going in business for himself and I said why don't we experiment with this a little bit? Why don't we test the market? Why don't we see if there's a need for this particular niche that you're looking at? Let's experiment with this a little bit before you dive into the deep end of the pool. Right, you've got to know exactly what it is that you're getting into, and when you do this experimentation a little bit, it really fosters a culture where testing new ideas is welcome, and that's what you want to be around. You want to be around open-minded people that really understand that failure can lead to growth and they can encourage you and push you through that mindset.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, I've heard that certain tech startups that are well-funded and ready to kick some butt, they favor people that have actually failed. They favor it because they know that the learnings come from the failing sometimes and that people who fail paid really close attention to the lessons they learned in that failure and they're less likely to repeat them over and over. It sounds counterintuitive, but it makes sense from that perspective. And then the other part, big A is don't do it alone.

Aaron Walker:

No.

Seth Buechley:

Right, you can't do it alone. You've got to learn to delegate. You've got to learn to empower other people. If you're going to do something that's big and bold and maybe even becomes a movement or a successful company, you know you got to call people to what's ambitiously possible and get other people enlisted in your great cause, or you're going to burn out, right? I think one of the problems when we apply Maverick to the category of entrepreneur is a lot of entrepreneurs fall into this solopreneur bucket, and that's okay if you're choosing to be a solopreneur. Personally, I'm a bad solopreneur. I get overwhelmed quickly, right?

Aaron Walker:

But Plus you're a people person, you like to to be around people, you like to have dialogue and conversation, interaction.

Seth Buechley:

yeah, you don't want to get stuck where you're the only guy in this maverick mode right, you got to delegate. And then there's also, you know, this kind of keeping our eye on the big picture. How do you keep your eye on the big picture, big a?

Aaron Walker:

yeah, well, there again is surrounding myself with trusted advisors, people that don't have a dog in the hunt, people that don't have anything to gain or lose as a result of the advice they give me. And this is why we started Iron Sharpens, iron Mastermind is to be able to get like-minded people, similar core values, in groups that can be blatantly honest with you, people that can look at what you're doing. They have full context in what you're trying to accomplish. I mentioned last week's episode, scott Beebe. Scott Beebe really helped me create a vision, to kind of have the big picture in mind, kind of keeping that overarching vision at the forefront of my mindset, and it kind of guides me and our team towards long-term success. And most people don't have that. They don't have a vision, they don't have a written vision, they barely have a vision. But they don't have a written vision Because when you have the written vision, you know the tasks that you need to do weekly in order to accomplish this thing that you're trying to call a goal or a dream, and it helps us accomplish the vision.

Aaron Walker:

Dan Miller was sharing some statistics with me years ago. Dan passed away about a year and a half ago. Obviously, prior to that he was sharing some statistics with me and he said you should have a vision that you never obtain. And I'm like, well, that would be demoralizing. And he said no. He said they have found that when you set a vision or a goal that's achievable, the people that set big, hairy, audacious goals surpass what they would have if it had been a realistic goal. He said so any goal that you set, you should never accomplish it. You're going to be much further along the way, though, as a result of setting a big, hairy, audacious goal. Now, on the other hand, you want to set realistic goals that your team can get their arms around, that they can see okay, we can accomplish these smaller goals, but do have a real audacious, aspirational goal out there that you're heading towards. So for me, it's having a map, and that map is my written vision, so that I know where I want to go.

Seth Buechley:

A map, and that map is my written vision so that I know where I want to go, keeping my focus on the big picture. Yeah, it's interesting when you're talking about that big, hairy, audacious goal. I kind of tend to think about that as like a purpose statement or a why, otherwise you are going to hit them and life changes. You have seasons of seasons of life, too, where you have to kind of reset those goals and keep yourself motivated and, frankly, you know we got to push. You know we got to push ourselves, because we don't feel good if we know we're just kind of going through the motions. We have to put ourselves in that danger zone use that phrase again to feel like we're alive.

Aaron Walker:

Yeah, to me it would be very boring to live with no vision, no goals, never any risk at all. My tolerance to risk is very high. Now I will admit, though, I'll be 65 my next birthday. I will admit, though, that my tolerance to risk is lessening, and I think that's normal as you get older, because I don't have the time to recover Right when I was younger, right, if it failed, okay, I'll start something else. And now, today, it's like I don't know if I've got the energy or the desire at 65 to start completely over, and I want to be prudent in my investments and I want to be smart, and I've just got Robin and I now that I've got to take care of, but I want to be sure that I've done a good job. So I think your tolerance to risk can lessen over time, but if you're in your 30s, 40s, 50s, it's okay to be risk, not averse, but be involved in certain measure of risk.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, you know, I'm in similar I'm 10 years your junior, and I'm in the mode of saying, all right, by the time I'm 60, I'd kind of like to be de-risked financially so that I out of respect for my wife and her risk profile, right, and so I have to go through the process. All right, if I'm hardwired to be a maverick, to break the norms, to push the boundaries, to solve big problems, how do I do that in a way that's sensitive to her desire for security and also kind of what I want to do in the last quarter of my life, and just a little bit of intentionality. And so I kind of am in both camps at once when I have investments in various companies. When those things return to me, lord willing, I'm going to tuck that stuff away for what I would call safe things. But I'm also intentionally choosing to start businesses and invest in things with my time that are kind of innovating and groundbreaking.

Seth Buechley:

You know, you've heard me talk about faith-driven investor community and they have this theme out right now. It's called solving the world's greatest problems, and they have this theme out right now. It's called Solving the World's Greatest Problems, and I love that because they're calling people of faith with resources to say, hey, why are we not the ones talking about solving malaria or well water or human trafficking or resource depletion and places like that? We can lead this, we can solve it.

Seth Buechley:

Or other people are saying why is health insurance so jacked up? Isn't there a better way? Right, I'm invested and I'm the chairman of a company reimagining wastewater by putting modern sewer in small communities right now, and it's like I didn't come from that world. But I saw an opportunity and we rallied some people and got some investors and we're doing the thing and to me, it scratches that itch, definitely being a maverick. But one thing I'll say is, when you're the one who's challenging the norms, people will question your pedigree, they'll question your motivation, they'll question your process, they'll question your character, like because you're a disruptor and you got to be willing to take the heat if you're going to be the maverick.

Aaron Walker:

Blue Ocean. Right, there's another great book. Hey, as we finish up today talking a little bit more, I want to talk about when you're leading with a maverick mindset. What are some of the principles that you got to think about? About and I think about even now and I promote this strongly as a level of transparency to people that you trust, because that's going to help you make informed decisions with people that are in alignment with what you're trying to accomplish.

Aaron Walker:

And if you don't go in with full transparency to the people that is helping you make this decision, there's going to be a void, there's going to be a lack of trust. And so, in order for you to have that level of trust, if you're a maverick the people that are helping you, that are on your team there's got to be a level of transparency. There's also got to be an attitude of autonomy for the people that you're working with. Trust them, understand that they have the skills that can help you accomplish this. You got to allow those team members to set their own goals and their methods by which to help you accomplish that, and that's going to help you lead to increased motivation and innovation with the people that you're around with the people that you're around.

Seth Buechley:

Yeah, big A, as we think about you know what we've talked about today. You know how do we find that inner maverick, I would say. First, you know, we got to question the rules we've been following. You know, are we even aware that we're following other people's template? Right, we've been conditioned to do things the safe way. We got to be willing to bust out of that and ask ourselves are these rules that I'm following serving our team? And we've got to be willing to lead with courage and care, a little bit less around conformity. You know we got to think about what success looks like for us. You know that's a personal process. Nobody's going to do this for us. That's the other thing. There's no intervention coming. There's no Calvary coming to help us create a successful life for ourselves. How do you think about defining success for yourself? Like, who do you invite into that and how much of that do you feel like is your own? Big A.

Aaron Walker:

Yeah, it's a $64 question, right, because we're all individuals and we have to make those determinations ourself. I loved how you made a summary here of questioning the rules that you've been following, because that may be for somebody else's game and not your own. And the courage part comes over time, right, we are nervous to a point, but once we've had a measure of success, it allows you to have more courage. So you've got to step out, you've got to get outside of your own self and you've got to color outside the lines and not just always be in a level of conformity. And then success we talked about earlier how you design that success is up to you and to your family.

Aaron Walker:

But just be open with your spouse, be open with your peers, your colleagues, your trusted advisors, and figure out what success looks like for you at this current time in your life. And I just want to tell you guys, your legacy won't be built by how well you followed the playbook, but by the lives you changed when you dared to write a new one. So go out there, set a new standard, one built on purpose, one built on people and one built on kingdom impact. Enjoy today, go out there now and lead boldly Mavericks aren't born, they're forged.