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138. From Drift to Drive: A High Achiever's Guide to Breaking the Chains of Complacency.

• Aaron Walker • Season 2 • Episode 23

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Ever felt the ache of moving fast but going nowhere? We sat down with executive leader and author Chris Robinson to name the real culprit: complacency that creeps in after success and masquerades as progress. Chris calls it “careless security,” and once you see it, you can’t unsee it—in your calendar, your team, even your closest relationships.

Chris opens up about a humbling moment on an international stage with John Maxwell that exposed his own drift. The lesson wasn’t about talent; it was about preparation, depth, and the discipline to invite feedback and act on it. From there, we unpack his seven-step loop—clarity, gathering, filtering, guidance, relationships, action, evaluation—and why filtering is the modern choke point. With endless inputs, scattered learning feels productive while it quietly stalls your growth. Depth wins when you align your reading, listening, coaching, and daily tasks to one clear aim.

We also dig into practical signals that you’re drifting: busyness without challenge, saying later more than now, consuming more than you create, and losing energy for the work that once lit you up. Chris gives a simple way back: take an honest hour and write, What do I want? Use five daily alignment questions to turn goals into action and to-do lists into outcomes. Then build community and accountability that won’t let you coast—because what a leader allows in moderation, a team will amplify.

If you’re ready to move from success to significance, this conversation will help you trade motion for momentum and comfort for calling. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a reset, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway so we can keep sharpening together.

SPEAKER_01:

Discover the brotherhood that sharpens you. The ISI community is free for 30 days. Join now at isibrotherhood.com forward slash community. Hey, welcome back to another episode of Iron Sharpens Iron Brotherhood. Listen, I want to ask you guys a question today, and I want you to think deeply with me. Have you ever woken up one morning early and you realize, man, I'm busy, but I'm not driven? You know, you're moving fast, you're checking all the boxes, you're leading teams, yet down deep you know that you're just coasting. And quite honestly, you could be drifting. Well, that's exactly what today's guest is going to talk about. Chris Robinson's with me today, and he's here to talk about this very topic of drifting. Listen, Chris isn't just another leadership voice either. You know, those guys are everywhere, but he's the founding partner of the Maxwell Leadership Certified Team. He's the executive vice president of Maxwell Entrepreneur Solutions, and he's a man who leads global movements, helping 40,000 plus coaches, trainers, and speakers around the world. But here's what I personally love about Chris. His story didn't start in a boardroom like many people's did. It started in the basement of a church, watching John Maxwell VHS tapes, learning how to lead himself before ever leading anyone else. And now his brand new book, as you can see from behind me, From Drift to Drive, is a high achiever's guide to breaking the chains of complacency. It's helping men rediscover their passion, their purpose, and their power. So today we're going to unpack what it really takes to get unstuck, to move from motion to momentum, from success to significance, and from drift to drive. Let's dive in now. Chris, man, it is so, so good to have you. How's it going today?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh man, it's going outstanding. Thanks so much for having me. Just truly excited to be able to add value to your listeners today and just grateful for the opportunity to uh be with you.

SPEAKER_01:

Man, you're a busy guy. You've been really busy uh making the circuit, promoting your book. And we're going to talk about the book a little bit. That's not primarily why we're here. We're here to talk about how to get guys out of drifting. And so I guess the first question that I want to start with right out of the gate is what led you to identify drift or complacency, we'll say, as a real risk for high achievers?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, it really started out with I had a desire initially for the book to really kind of deal with underperformance. Like that was the thing that I wanted to address and attack. And anytime that you're writing the book, you're answering two questions. Who am I writing for? What problem am I solving? And I was really dead set on I want to attack underperformance inside of organizations. And um, I began to speak with the team. We kicked it around. And then somebody said, Well, Chris, what's the root cause of under underperformance? What is the thing that really truly causes underperformance? And we kicked around several different ideas and complacency came up. And oh my goodness, I had this glow in my stomach and go, complacency. Now that's interesting because when you think about the word complacency, we often think of laziness or apathy. But complacency really comes after success. Now, if we think about anything that we've achieved in life that's of worth anything, you know, we did hard work to get there. And then once we had it under control, we begin to kind of not work at it the same way that we did from the very beginning. And if you go back to the root word of complacency, its original meaning means careless security. Careless security. So as people are listening and they're thinking about their lives and areas that they may be drift, what is it that you feel secure in that you're being careless with? Now, that just sat in my soul when I saw that original meaning because I'm going, you know, we think that we're secure in our marriage, we think that we're secure in our faith, but are we being careless in that because we've secured that? And so um I just thought, oh my goodness, I love this concept. And I began to, you know, research, you know, where can where we saw complacency, you know, bring down big companies, where we've seen complacency bring down individuals, where in my own life, complacency, where I thought that things were secure, and I got careless with them, and I saw drift in my life. And that's really how we came up with the concept.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, Chris, there's some buddies of mine we run together, we've been running together for 30, 40 years. And uh the other day we got some really bad news. One of my good friends, we've been lifelong friends since like the fourth grade. So we've been friends for like 55 years. And he announced to our group the other day that he and his wife, after 40 years, is getting a divorce. And I'm like, man, what happened? And he said, I became complacent. Wow. And it really set a message to the rest of us. It's like, hey, uh, like I've been married 46 years, and I better pay attention, right? I mean, that can happen to anybody. I feel pretty secure in my marriage, but man, you can never take it for granted. You can never get complacent. There, there must have been a time in your life, Chris, where you had a moment when you realized maybe you were drifting and I'm being, I'm assuming here, but was there a time? Is that what kind of was the catalyst uh of you doing this?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, in fact, it really was. When I think about the biggest drift moment in the last 12 months, it actually came uh in May of last year of 2024. And um I I've been speaking for years, you know, 15 years now, you know, thousands of stage, tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people that I've been in front of. But I had an opportunity to go speak in Cambodia with John Maxwell. And this was a big deal because it was, you know, I mean, this is a speaker's dream. You know, here's a guy that I was watching, you know, 20 years ago in the basement of the church, and then now I'm getting ready to go speak on stage with him, uh, with just two people on the agenda, Chris Robinson, John Maxwell. And uh, we were going to Cambodia and we were speaking for 2,500 people. So again, not a small stage, international stage, John Maxwell. This is the top of the tier right here. And uh on top of it, you know, right before that, we go and meet the president of Cambodia, the prime minister. And I mean, I'm just loving life going, oh my goodness, how in the world did I end up here? Well, I spoke that day, and you know, things were going wrong as they do as a speaker. No big deal. I'm a professional, I get beyond it. You know, my remote isn't working, no big deal. Uh, the slides finally come up, and you know, usually when you speak internationally, there's English slides on one screen, and then there's the native language on another. Well, in this particular language, what I didn't prepare for was their language has to go on top of any other language. So when they brought my slides up finally, it looked like a mess. I mean, it was a wreck. And uh, no big deal, got beyond that. Um, and then I was speaking with an interpreter in a brand new language that I had never heard before. And so I didn't put in practice with this particular language because each language kind of has a cadence that you have to develop. And so this was not a live, this was not a simultaneous translation. This was a stop and go, meaning I say it a couple, he says a couple sentences, which is great. I've and some languages flow better than others, but this was the first time I was hearing it. And I mean, it was, I was going, what in the world's going on? They were like five words for our one word. But we finally got the rhythm and uh, you know, and made it through the presentation. And afterwards, had a line of people tell me how great it was, how it impacted them. But then I sat down with John Maxwell at dinner with about five other people, and I said, Hey John, I've you know, you hadn't seen me speak in a little while. Um, you know, could you give me some feedback? And I had my notepad, my pen out, waiting for John Maxwell, one of the best communicators on the planet, to give me some feedback. And he obliged. I mean, he gave me not one, but ten different things that I could do to improve, and then the table thought it was a brainstorming session. So they start giving me ideas of what I could do to improve.

SPEAKER_01:

And a mastermind said right there.

SPEAKER_00:

To a mastermind. But I sat there and all you could say at the end of that was thank you. And um, you know, and they they were doing it from a place of love. They just wanted me to improve as a communicator. And I go back to the room that night and I look at the list of all the different things that they told me I could improve on, and there wasn't one thing on there that I did not know. But I can tell you that I spent more preparation speaking for a Chamber of Commerce or Rotary Club 15 years ago than I did for that presentation in front of 2,500 people on stage with John Maxwell in another country. And in that moment, I go, oh my goodness, I've drifted. I was trying to work out of my overflow versus actually doing the preparation that it took. And this is something I get paid to do. This is something I'm a professional at. And I'm going, I'm coasting, I'm drifting. And so it reactivated in me this fire, this passion as a communicator to go back to the basics and go, hey, I've got to, I've got to share this thing up. I was in a place of drift. I was in a place of careless security. And had I continued on that path, how much more would I continue to drift back and fade away from future opportunities? And so that was a really wide awakening moment for me.

SPEAKER_01:

That is so good. John Maxwell was also interested in those 40,000 coaches and trainers that you're teaching to speak all over the world. So he had a vested interest in Chris Robinson along the way, too, right? And so he wasn't timid or bashful about giving you some pointers, I'm sure. That is so good. Well, I did I do know that you have what you call a seven-step framework.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And which of which of uh we don't have time today, obviously, to talk about all of them, but which of those steps uh tend to be the hardest for people to implement and why?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so in the seven steps, I'll I'll just overview them, but I'll give you the hardest. So the first one is clarity. You gotta be, you got you cannot have what you cannot see. The second is gathering, meaning that you need to gather information, books, videos, audios, courses, certifications, conferences. You need to gather information on that topic. The third is filtering, which means that, you know, in the past, our success was based upon the information that you had access to. But today with technology, you got access to so much information, you got to know how to filter information. The fourth is guidance, meaning getting a coach, a guide, or a mentor, somebody that's ahead of you in whatever it is that you want to learn that you can learn from. The fifth step is relationships. It's iron sharpening iron, right? And so it's getting around other people that are moving in your direction. The sixth step is action, but then the seventh step is evaluation. But out of those steps, and it's a cycle that you go into time and time again, but out of those steps, I really think probably the most difficult one for people is the filtering. But I would combine that with gathering because people love to gather information. All right. We can, if I named off 10 books right now, Big A, right now, people would go out and they'd get these books, and you know, now they've got this stack of books because they say, hey, Chris Robinson heard this, John Maxwell recommended this, Big A recommended this, but it might not have anything to do with the problems that they're currently trying to solve or a passion that they have. And so filtering, I believe, is probably the most difficult step in this because of how much access that we have today. And so it looks like this. I mean, you you say that you want to grow on a specific topic, and then all of a sudden, you are listening to you're reading a book on one topic, watching videos on another topic, listening to podcasts on another topic, going to a conference on another topic, and getting coached on a different topic, and wondering why in the world am I feeling overwhelmed and I'm not moving in the speed that I want to go? But too much information, not enough implementation. Right. And so what we have to do is we have to line those things up and filter and filter what it is that we're learning well in order to get momentum and to get growth in the areas that we want to grow. But I think filtering is the most difficult one right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. Wow. Is there something that comes to mind with a real-world example that you've had of someone that's gotten stuck there before?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I I literally, you know, I just got a text from a uh team member that says, Hey, Chris, I I picked up the book and, you know, I'm filtering and this member sent me a list of, you know, eight books that they had. And can I tell you that um the intent was correct? But when I looked at that person's book stack, there were only two books on the topic that lined up. And so I said, hey, let's get rid of these other six. Let me give you these six to add. Now you've got eight that are specifically on this same topic, and you're gonna move in that direction. So it's a simple nuance that could that could take years off of a person's progress if they just simply filter well.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, so instead of being an inch deep and a mile wide, we want to reverse that and be an inch wide and a mile deep on that topic, right? Right. And now you're gonna get a lot more accomplished.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you get a lot more accomplished, but the speed of which you accomplish it, you comprehend it, is so much faster because we think, well, I can I can I can do all these different topics right now. No, no, no. If you just spent the next month on this one topic specifically and go deep in it, you're gonna pick that up way faster than the next six months of a book here and there and trying to do all these other things.

SPEAKER_01:

Chris, when you think about your work, uh, what are some of the subtle warning signs that someone is starting to drift and before maybe they even realize it themselves?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, the first thing is busyness. Um, busyness is, you know, oh, how do I say busyness is the new stupid. All right. It's just it's just you're busy, but you're not accomplishing anything. And what happens is when you get busy and then you're not challenged, your routine has replaced reflection. And so it's the automatic things that we do without thinking about it because we say, well, we always do it that way, or that's the way that we do it, or that's the way that's done. So that's the first thing is that you're busy, but you're not challenged. The second identifier would be that you say later more than now. All right. Now, delay is a quiet form of drift. I mean, there's hands down, when you delay, the law of diminishing intent says that the longer that you wait to do something that you know that you should do, the less likely you are to do it. And I mean, if so, if you are putting and you're delaying things, it might just be drift. Now, the third identifier might be that you consume more than you create. I mean, you you are great at gathering, you love podcasts, you love books, you consume, and but you don't create anything out of it. So input without action equals false progress. So a lot of people think that, hey, if hey, I'm I'm doing every day. I'm up at 5 a.m. I read, I listen to podcasts in my downtime, in my car, I'm doing this. But are you consuming or are you creating as a result of it? If you're just consuming, you may be in a drift. But then the fourth identifier, big A, is that you've lost energy for what once inspired you. All right. So numbness is the first symptom of stuck. And if I go back to that illustration with John Maxwell and me speaking, well, I just didn't have the energy for preparation to speak like I did when I began. Like I can tell you, I spent countless hours preparing, you know, for a rotary club. I mean, countless hours.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, just going to Cambodia, you look at your notes on the airplane on the way over, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Flipping through them, okay, yeah, yeah, I got I got this down, huh? I know the audience, right? But when you lose that energy for what's once inspired you, that's a sign of drift. That's a sign of stuck. And so those are a couple key identifiers. Uh, and so some questions that you got to ask yourself is you know, when was the last time that you challenged yourself to do something hard? When was the last time you did something completely outside of your comfort zone? When was the last time you accepted critique meant to help you? When was the last time you felt fully alive, engaged, and present? Answer those questions, and you're gonna find that drift in your life.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, I'm Aaron Walker, founder of Iron Sharpens Iron. Every successful man needs a band of brothers to push him to grow spiritually, personally, and professionally. Each week I meet with like-minded Christian business owners in our mastermind groups. We share wisdom, tackle challenges, and we hold each other accountable to grow, not just in business, but in life. Don't do life or business alone. Join the brotherhood that will challenge, encourage, and sharpen you. Visit isibrotherhood.com and take the first step today. You know, Chris, I talked to Jeff Hoffman, the founder of Priceline at a conference, and he told me that he would read daily. He was a you know avid reader, but he said 10% of everything he read every day had nothing to do with his interest. And I said, You got to explain that to me. He said, Well, it opens a new perspective. And he said, 90% of my good ideas came out of that 10% reading. Sure. And see, that's what we've got to do. I love it in the book. You really talk about busy work versus meaningful work, and this is just a theme throughout your book. How do people distinguish between the two in their daily lives? Like, how do we decide what's busy work and what's meaningful work?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, I think you have to change the question. You know, in John Maxwell's book, The 21 Laws of Uh Leadership, you know, and the law of priorities, he says that instead of asking yourself the question, what am I doing? Ask yourself, what am I accomplishing? And that makes a major shift when you look at your to-do list. And when I think about it, and this is just a pop quiz for anybody listening here, you know, because most people listening to this probably wrote out some type of goals at the beginning of the year. All right. But if you go back and you look at that goal list from the beginning of the year or the halfway point of the year, whenever you wrote them, go back and look at that list of goals that you wrote out. And then look at your to-do list from the last week. Chances are your to-do list looks crazy in comparison to the goals that you say that you have. So every single day, is what you're doing line up with the direction that you want to go? So there's five simple questions that I give you in the book that I'm gonna give you right now. You know, and this is this is how I line up my goals with what I'm doing on a daily basis. Five questions. Number one, what do I need to read today? All right, that needs to be in alignment with where I say that I want to go. Number two, what am I listening to today? That needs to be in alignment with my goal of where I say I want to go. Number three, who do I need to call today? That needs to be in alignment with where I want to go. You know, and a side note on that is that you don't need to answer every time your phone rings. You know, we've all had the, we think this is going to be a two-minute call and then it ends up being an hour call and our day is off track. The fourth question is, you know, um, what do I need to do today that needs to be in alignment? And then the fifth question is, what am I looking for today? Because if we're not intentional about what it is that we're looking for today, we can be distracted and we can miss the opportunities past us all day long. If I said to you all, hey, how many yellow cars did you see today? Then now you're gonna be looking for yellow cars. But if I ask you how many yellow cars did you see last week, you have no idea. But when that intentionality kicks in place with where you want to go, that's what's gonna determine what you should be doing on a daily basis.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, these seem like such simple questions, but it's the fundamental basic premise by which you're gonna be successful. That's what I like about your book, is it's straightforward. You just lay it out, and I really, really like that. Chris, let me ask you another question. This has happened to me twice over my 47-year career. How do you reignite the drive without burning out? Because that seems critical to me to reignite the drive. And I've personally hit the wall a couple of times, had to take an extended sabbatical. Uh, how do you help people sustain momentum over the long haul?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, I mean, to reignite drive, I think it's just a reenvisioning of the clarity of where it is that you want to go. Um, when the exhaustion comes, when the overwhelm comes, when the drift comes, it's because we lose sight of where it is that we want to go. And so getting crystal clear and just simply, again, I am so pragmatic, uh Big A, but when it boils down to it, it could be as simple as just taking a piece of paper, just regular notepad like this, and at the top of that notepad, writing out one question what do I want? What do I want? And I believe that when you get crystal clear on what it is that you want, you're gonna realize that overwhelm goes away because it everything now can line up with where you want to go. So if you're trying to reignite that drive or that passion, take some time to do that sabbatical, take some time to go to that retreat on your own and ask yourself one simple question. What do I want? And once that gets clear, I'm telling you, that drive kicks back in. And I'm not talking about hustle culture and work until you're dead. I'm saying, you know, I'm saying, hey, let's get clear on what it is that we want, do what we need to do, get done what we need to get done so we can do what we want to go do. And what do you think?

SPEAKER_01:

You know, it's funny you said that because when I hit the wall the first time, I was coming back from speaking in San Diego, and I wrote that question out, what do I want? And I created a three-page working document that everybody in our organization gets, and it's titled, What Do I Want? And it's very pointed specific questions. The truth is, is it's so again, so foundational to our success that we don't take time to answer that question specifically. We always say we want bigger, better, shinier, faster, more, but it's like, no, specifically, what is it that you want? And man, that is so good. Well, let's talk about your own journey for a second. Well, what was there ever a time in your personal life where you thought, man, I've arrived, I've done this, and then you had to fight that complacency?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. Um, it actually was in my early 20s. Um, you know, I was part of an organization that went from 18 employees to about 800 in a six-year time period. Uh, I was number five on that totem pole. Um, company was going close to, you know, 400 million dollars uh in a year. And I was in my 20s. I was making a great income. Life was well, and I thought that I had the mightest touch. Um what happened was I left that organization, start my own company, and uh, you know, life corrected me and hit me like a ton of bricks, man. I tell you what, it was there was a market correction in my ability and um what I thought that I could achieve. But what that did was again, I I got knocked down, but it was an eye-opener, and I knew that man, I can build again. If I did this at such an early age, I know that that was not my pinnacle, but that was my stepping stone. I I I've truly believed that I wouldn't have seen that type of result at such an early age for that to be my pinnacle. And so I've seen it time and time again where I think, oh man, I've got this thing cooking, and now I'm old enough to know, um, but still young enough to grow.

SPEAKER_01:

That that is so good. How did you get back into drive? Like, what did you do in that case or that business that you started? How because there's a lot of listeners out there right now, they're like, man, I'm there. I'm there where Chris is talking about. What did you do to get back into drive?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, it was again clarity on what it is that I wanted to do. Um, you know, it was after those businesses had failed, I said, okay, I want to go into this coach and speaking thing. And that just became my what got me out of bed every single day. I was like, I've got to figure this out. How do I do this? And I got off to a great start. Uh, I have, you know, after a year, I had connected with Maxwell Leadership, got certified, took off in that program. And then about three years into that program, big A, I I had I was focused on paying off debt instead of saving because of those past businesses. And I had had a client that was 80% of my business at that time. Well, I go in that morning and they tell me, Chris, hey, we're splitting up our partnership. So that means you're gone, we're going different ways, we don't need you. Well, in that moment, I had$12 to my name on this planet, on the entire planet.$12. I had I was making great income working with this organization and a couple others, but I was so focused on getting rid of that debt, I just wasn't saving. And I I was here with$12. So on that day, Biggie, I remember I was sitting in my driveway that day. I had a choice. I could go do what I needed to do to get by. And I don't knock anybody for doing that. You know, whether it was, you know, I had all these thoughts. Do I just go work overnight to move boxes and build my dream throughout the day? But as I contemplated all these choices, I said, hey, I I would be out of integrity trying to be business coach and consultant during the day and moving boxes at night. That was my personal belief. And so I said, instead of me going to go spend, you know, 40 plus hours a week just to get by, I'm going to spend 40 hours a week working on me trying to figure out how to make 400 an hour versus 400 a week. All right. And so that's what I did. I made that choice that day. I sat in that driveway. I I dreamed about what it is that I wanted. And in fact, I I still I still have that note to myself to this very day. And um, you know, I wrote a note that day. Uh, can I can I can I write can I read this one to you real quick? Because I I think this will encourage the listeners here and just give me just a second to pull it up because I this is what I wrote on that day, and it is stuck with me um forever because I am now living out. I am now living out that dream of um what I got a chance to do. Said I will be a professional speaker, traveling around the world, helping people reach their potential and getting promoted on their jobs. I will I will sell products online such as ebooks, audio, video manuals, training. I will do also sell motivational products to help people stay focused. I will work for and assist some experienced speakers to learn the ins and outs of the business of speaking. I will be diligent in attending Toastmasters, doing home study courses, and getting a mentor. I will feel great about being a professional speaker because I will be helping others, continually learning, have a passive income, and will have more time with my family with the money to do the things that they want to do. My attitude will be great. I will feel great about myself, and others will be drawn to me to seek my wisdom. That was on a dark day with$12 to my name.

SPEAKER_01:

Look at you today. Speaking on stages of tens of thousands, leading 40,000 people. God's really blessed you. That's been amazing, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's way to go. God's grace, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_01:

That's how you get back into drive right there. I love that. Chris, let me ask you a couple more questions. Like, we're not only responsible to ourselves when we're a leader, because we have a role. There's an impact that we have. How does a leader's drift affect their team and the culture or an organization as a whole? Even if they don't sense it immediately, what impact is drift having on the team?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you know, John says it best, man. Like I am truly a product of the product when it comes to John Maxwell. I really am. But it's everything rises and falls on leadership. Everything rises and falls on leadership. And if that drift is happening in the leader, it's what you do to the minimum, it's done to the maximum in your team. And so although you may May think that you're shielding that drift, although you may think that, oh, they can't see that. I'm telling you, it's something that is caught by proximity. It is something that's caught. It's not something that's taught. And um everything. So if you are in that place, you better believe that if if you're not going, it's not growing. And so um it it shows. It really does.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what we do in moderation as a leader, they'll do in excess. Correct. And so are they Yeah, that is so good. What uh what role do you think that relationships or community or accountability play in going from drift to drive? Yeah. How can that impact us?

SPEAKER_00:

That's everything. Um, you know, there was a Harvard study by Dr. David McClellan that said 95% of your success or failure is based upon who you habitually spend your time with. Okay. Now at first I thought 95%, okay, you're throwing stats around. You know, that that's a big number. But if you really think about it, if you think about the worst times in your life that you ever had, there's faces associated with it. If you think about the best times that you've had in your life, there's faces associated with it. And so for me, what I realize is that the environments and the people that I'm around are so critical to my growth and direction. And when you can get into the right rooms with the right people, everything accelerates. So I love what iron-sharpened irons is, and exactly what it's about. It's about getting around people that want to go the direction that you want to go. And that like-mindedness doesn't happen because of proximity. Just because you live around somebody doesn't mean that they're going the same direction, right? Just because you sit in the cubicle next to you doesn't mean that they're going the same direction. And so you have to be highly intentional about getting around the right people in the right rooms.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, I love that. Uh, Chris, I want to respect your time. What are any final comments or thoughts, maybe an important question that I haven't asked that you'd like to answer before we leave? And tell our listeners how they can contact you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I guess I'd leave you with an uh, you know, an important leadership thought, which is my basic philosophy on leadership is, you know, treat people like people and adults like adults, and all will be well. And um, you know, no matter where you're at in your career right now, whether you are doing very well and you've built a great um, you know, path for yourself, you know, now it's time to go from success for yourself, from me to we. It's time to go from success to significance. Success is about what you've achieved, but significance is about what you can achieve with and through others. So let's make that journey together. That is so good.

SPEAKER_01:

And how can our listeners follow you? What is the best way to contact you? And how can they get a copy of your book?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, well, you can get a copy of the book on Amazon or any uh major retailer. Um, also, you know, you can reach out to me through my website, Chris Robinsonspeaker.com, Chris Robinsonspeaker.com.

SPEAKER_01:

Man, Chris, it's so good to have you today. And those that are listening today, just remember that complacency is the silent killer of potential, as we've talked about today. Drifting doesn't always look like failure. Sometimes it looks like comfort. And Chris reminded us that the greatest threat to our calling isn't always burnout. It's settling for good when God's called us to be great. You know, drive requires discipline, and you don't just stumble into purpose, you steer towards it. Through clarity, through accountability, and community, you can build a framework that keeps you moving in the right direction. Thank you for being with us today in the ISI Brotherhood podcast, and I can't wait to see you again.