Ep 503 Invincible s4 Spoiler Review

In this episode the FilmBros discuss Invincible s4 and if they are excited for an Invincible season 5

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh.

SPEAKER_06 0:03

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_05 0:04

And welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. Alright, Josh. So today's the day. Alright, we're gonna finally close a loop. Alright. That's you know, if you know, you know. If you know that movie, you know. Close the loop. I don't I don't know if you know, Josh. You're giving me a face like you're not sure.

SPEAKER_07 0:32

It's looper. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_05 0:34

Okay. Alright, I'm just making sure. I'm just making sure. Okay, I'm just making sure. You kind of took a pause there. Like you had to think about it for a second. I don't know. I remember it. I remember it. Okay. Well, we are closing the loop today in a different way. Um obviously we do TV shows, movies, you know, topics, all that good stuff. Last time we kind of left off, we left a TV show unfinished, and that was because, well, we we had to do a mid-season review. I think we actually did a a mid-season review episode early, so we basically have to do the tail end, which was episodes four through eight. Um, but for the most part, you know, it's gonna be exciting to speak about with you, Josh, to know if, you know, if it got a little better for you. Because you know what? When you talk to me and you ask me about this particular show that we're gonna be discussing in a second, and I give you a little bit, not not like a ho a big old hoorah, you know. I don't give you the biggest hoopla, you know, but I give you like it was it was cool. You like, you like, man. I'm just like, dude, why? Is that not what you do to me? Is that not what you do to me? Tell these people is that not what you do to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:45

You hit me with a I'm just like, you're a little too harsh, bro. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 1:49

What's okay? Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of what is too harsh, you know what I'm saying? This is not that kind of video. If that's what you're looking for, turn turn away now, Josh. Let them know what we're discussing today.

SPEAKER_07 2:02

We are finishing up our season review of Invincible Season 4.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Mark, take a night off. We don't get to take a night off. If I'd actually killed Angstrom the first time, so many people would still be alive. I'll do anything to stop that from happening again. It's not who you are, Mark. But trauma like that.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

Breaks people. So, Invincible Season 4. We've made it all this way. And you know what? Invincible. I'ma just kind of, you know, if you've heard our I think we've done the second, third season. We didn't get around to the first season because we didn't have our podcast at the time. Maybe we should get around to doing that. Maybe a full series review would probably be in order. We could probably go by the seasons except for instead of episodes. But that's besides the point. Ideas for another day, Josh. Ponder. Uh, but for the most part, this show kind of reminds me of a different show. Same from the same spot, Amazon, where they basically had a killer first season and has just been basically trying to chase that hype ever since, in my opinion. Um, I don't know if you already know the show that I'm talking about. I feel like I do know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Is it another superhero show?

SPEAKER_05 3:26

It might be, it might be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh a show that basically, two shows that basically came out at the height of like the superhero genre, and they were like, hey, you know what? We're gonna parody that. We're gonna parody parody that shit hard. Um apparently Invincible though has been around for years, and apparently people are trying to make you believe that it's had motion before, I don't know, the year 2020 or 2018, right? That's when the first season basically dropped, I believe, right? Or 2021. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um they they want you to believe like there was more motion before the 2020s when it came to Invincible, just because they it was on a Paul t-shirt in the Paul movie, and then it was also, I believe it was in The Walking Dead as well, but you know, I believe that's an Eric Kirkman production as well, so I don't I'm not too sure. But you know, Invincible's here, and it's been kind of hitting, missing for some people. Obviously, we've had those gripes. We've already kind of discussed, like I said, the first three episodes, so some of those gripes are probably gonna carry on to this episode. Um, but you know, we always hope for the end season to be a lot better than the beginning season, right, Josh? Right. All right. Um, after reviewing the beginning season and after walking away from the last episode we did with the beginning first three episodes, obviously, if you guys want our full thoughts on those episodes, go check those out. But we're gonna do the tail end episodes. Uh what how do you feel now today? Like after kind of giving it some time, letting those three episodes simmer, episode four came around and whatnot. Like, how do you feel a little bit about this show now?

SPEAKER_07 5:07

Um, I'm still not completely moved. I mean, it has cool moments, and I was in shock for certain things to happen, but I still don't feel as I did after the first season where like, you know, oh Omni Man left Mark, the world was in shambles, things like that. Like, I still don't feel that. I still haven't felt that. I don't think it's been the same. I it kind of um it feels kind of like yeah, like they're kind of chasing the same high, but also in the sense that like it we keep hearing that, oh it's about to get crazy, it's about to get crazy, and then it gets crazy for like an episode or two, and then you know, we still get we get distracted by a totally different thing altogether, huh?

SPEAKER_05 5:59

Like it just like we're so locked in here, and then we have something else to worry about somewhere else in the next episode.

SPEAKER_07 6:05

And then the sequids pop up and you're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 6:07

You know what I mean? And then you go to hell and you're like, Well, why? Why are we here right now? Um, especially when exactly what you said is supposed to, you know, people that read the comic books are like, oh my god, he's getting the blue and black suit. Just for him to still get his ass whooped. He just fucking wears the suit, that's it. He doesn't really nothing different happen. At least when Toby McGuire, like, when they were like making a big deal about the black suit, it was like, you know, he did a little dance, he wasn't acting like himself, he was actively a different guy, you know what I mean? And Mark was just a little, just a little pissed off, but still getting his ass whooped. It's like little bro, why are you so angry? You know what I'm saying? But that was last season, right? We're at season four, not in season three. Um believe he started with the black suit though, right? Started and then it kind of went away.

SPEAKER_08 6:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Yeah. Um, but yeah, man. Uh how are we? Yeah, BMB. I feel like you're kind of agreeing with me with some of the stuff right now. I I just I mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 7:07

Yeah. I that's the thing. I'm gonna have my gripes and my gripes aren't gonna change. It's just you're a little too harsh, bro.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

That's it. Sometimes, sometimes. 100% on the tomato meter, 86% on the popcorn meter for season four. 100%'s crazy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 7:26

I don't know if I agree with that.

SPEAKER_05 7:27

I am I don't know. I don't see it.

SPEAKER_07 7:29

86%, sure. I think anyone's everyone's kind of enjoying it right now. But 100%, I don't know. I can't help but feel like this show sets things up. And I was trying to think about it. I was thinking about it all week, or I mean so far when to recording, where I was like, huh, why is it why does it feel like this? And so I think I found the best way to put it. So and when we get there we'll talk about it, but I don't agree with a hundred percent. I'd probably give it the same thing like eighty.

SPEAKER_05 8:01

Eighty, like passable, but not not spectacular, you know.

SPEAKER_07 8:06

Yeah, the writing isn't completely sound. I don't know if I agree with that. That's a thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:10

Okay, okay. I can I'm kind of on the train with you. I wouldn't put it to 80, like with the popcorn meter. I I'm actually surprised that it's at 80 with the popcorn meter, too. 100% on the with the critic side is kind of crazy, but there is only 24 reviews, so we kinda got we gotta kind of account for that as well. Um I gotta say, like, I would give it at least a 70 on the tomato meter. Like, if actual people gave a shit about the show and wanted it to be somewhat taken somewhat seriously could compared to like, you know, other cartoons or whatever. And then 86%, come on. I've been seeing the outcries. I I did I do hear on the outside that people do enjoy it, but I still hear the gripes. I just feel like people are kind of excited to just have some kind of adult animation show that they're not afraid to like show blood and everything like that, but like at the cost of animation is crazy, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just I feel like some things are just unnecessary and it pulls away. Yeah, and like I said, we'll probably dive into like you said, we'll probably dive into that when we get to that part. But uh, I I don't see this numbers matching up at all. Like that's this kind of weirdest way out of alignment in my opinion. But you know when Rotten Tomatoes doesn't agree with me, it's rigged. So that's what I'm gonna say. I'm I'm writing it, I'm I'm sticking with it. I'm sticking with it. Um Steven Yu comes back as Invincible, JK Simmons, Sandra O as Debbie, um Gillian Jacobs as Adam Eve, um Walter Goggins as Cecil, so on and so forth. We've actually had a lot of different cast members where we had Zachary Quinto as the robot in the beginning of you know season one, I believe into season two. He's gone now. He's not the robot anymore, he's a completely different actor. Uh we've basically moved on from like the main cast being like star-studded, uh, except for basically our two leads, which is kind of crazy. I'm pretty sure that's what's kind of costing this show. But another another topic for down the road for sure. Uh, Josh, what do we think about the casting? This yeah, I don't think the season had like a big spectacular like, oh, like somebody's gonna be coming to voice this person. Like, I think what season three had Aaron Paul, and people were super excited about that because it was like, oh, Aaron Paul, but like this one, I don't think this one had a voice actor to do that, right?

SPEAKER_07 10:33

Yeah, no. Um not really. Not I mean Bruce Campbell. Bruce Campbell is Satan was probably the only thing I can think of.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

Oh, okay. That's probably one, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 10:46

They had Bruce Campbell, they had the guy um playing Thrag, Megatron made an appearance, like the voice actor for Megatron made an appearance.

SPEAKER_05 10:56

Oh, that's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_07 10:57

Like a brief cameo. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, not the biggest people, but also, you know, well recognized, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 11:04

Yeah, mm-hmm. Obviously, we still got the voice of Optimus as well, so that was like a nice little reunion for fans that noticed that and all that stuff. So pretty pretty nice stuff, I guess. But I like I said, I feel like Aaron Paul was like a red carpet rollout. Like people were super excited for him, like episodes before, like they were like, Oh yeah, Aaron Paul's gonna be there, you know what I mean? And I mean people are excited for Bruce Campbell, but I mean I don't feel like the hype was as high, I guess. Um but that's just me. Um Did we like the did we like this season's cast at least? Did we liked Bruce Campbell? Um, the the voice acting. I I think you said it yourself too. The writing wasn't amazing or superb, but you know what I like is that Stephen Yu gives his all, even though it's still unfortunate that the animation can't keep up with what he's basically putting down.

SPEAKER_07 12:02

Right. And it's just unfair, but yeah, no, I mean writing and the way I th I would say the pacing for the show was also kind of an issue, but for the most part, I enjoyed well I enjoyed everybody. I think the cast did great.

SPEAKER_08 12:17

Alright.

SPEAKER_07 12:18

My standout, my favorites, I mean I know you'll disagree, but my favorites were um de the Debbie and Omni Man. J.K. Simmons and uh the what's her name?

SPEAKER_05 12:29

Sandra O. Yeah, Sandra O. Yeah. I I mean I like their little back and forth too. It's just more, like I said, something that is supposed to be emotional. Like I I I can't help but just like look back at like season one when like Omni Man was like pummeling uh his son into the into the fucking mountainside, and like the facial expressions. It turned into a meme, that's how like good it was. Like the facial expressions and everything just were different. When he was fighting um uh what's his name? Immortal, like for the second time. Like that was really good, and he was actually scared because he was also worried about his son being eaten and all that stuff. Like, there was really good stakes when it came down to like season one and like the way animation basically helped out with portraying the emotion that the actors were giving out, and they unfortunately these later seasons just can't they can't keep up, like I said. Uh they're not giving the animators enough time, probably not putting enough money behind the show, or at least the money that they are using, they're giving it to like people that are only there for a cameo and then they leave. Like, come on now, let's start let's talk about that. Um, we'll talk about it in a second though. Uh season four, episode four, like I said, uh we did the first three episodes, so go check that out if you guys want to check it out. But we're gonna start from episode four all the way up to eight. Josh, let's start breaking it down. We gotta talk about these episodes. Season four, episode four, Hearn.

SPEAKER_07 14:00

Let's talk about it. Um, this episode follows Mark going through a crisis. He goes to talk to Art, tells him that I think I need a new suit, different threads, you know, clear. And this whole episode follows him basically going to hell, getting his mind right with the help of the Damien Darkblood, which was the demon that got sent to hell in the first season. If you can remember him, they really make that a point. Remember him. Um, they have their little side quest. Budget was saved for some fucking reason, and then he gets home, ditches the blue, and puts on the back his uh classic colors.

SPEAKER_05 14:36

That's about it. Alright, like I said, the blue and black suit was there up until like episode three, episode four. For some reason, Invincible was in hell. They needed his help out of anybody that they could have used, they needed him. Uh, so they decided to drag him there. Filler episode. Unnecessary, uh, gotta say, waste of animation, waste of voice acting, waste of uh Bruce Campbell cameo 100%. Um I don't understand why they thought that you know this would be the storyline to go down, especially when things are you know, we're four seasons deep. Like we're supposed to be in some hot shit. Like if this was gonna happen, this should have happened probably in season two. You know, a little build-up, well, you you know, you can kind of excuse it a little bit. We're deep, you know what I'm saying? We're super deep. So I I don't know. I just feel like this one isn't even worth discussing too much, it's just filler episode.

SPEAKER_07 15:34

Right. I mean, all he really does is get the yellow suit back at the end, which what is what makes it worthwhile. But other than that, I mean I was kind of pissed. They were like, oh, it's guarded the crown is guarded by Cerberus and all this and that, and then we don't get a glimpse of that whole thing. This episode pissed me off so much. But other than that, yeah, I guess it's really a nothing burger.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

It really was a nothing burger. I like I said, except for or like how you said, besides the suit change, but couldn't we have done that in a more compelling way way that like moved the story forward and not kind of just left you stuck for a whole episode? You know what I mean? Right. Can we just do that? Is that not just a possible thing for us to have? And see and season four, episode four of like not even this ain't even episode one, this ain't season two. This is this is like we're deep in there, man. Like I said, and here we are. Uh episode five. Give us a moment, Josh.

SPEAKER_07 16:31

The war begins. Mark and uh Oliver head up to space, they go, uh they're basically heading toward the coalition of planet's base. They get stopped by Conquest and a couple of Ultramites, a fight breaks out. Um Invincible and Conquest round two. The he I think this episode, I think that basically sums it up. This uh what happens at the end of this episode leaves them stranded for a couple of I think they said like a month or two. Yeah, it was about before rolling up to f to continue the fight that they were supposed to get to, which I mean crazy amount of time for sure. But that basically sums up the episode. And I don't want to give it away, because I do think this episode was a highlight, or at least the last like ten minutes was a highlight. But I mean, that's the thing. We're getting little nuggets of good, you know. And it's just not fair.

SPEAKER_05 17:30

It's just not I mean this episode too, it was good, and I like that Conquest came back, and you know, the consequences of uh what Cecil did basically came came back to to bite everybody in the ass. I appreciate the action sequences we were getting with it, but still, like I said, animation was unfortunately not the best, and when you get something good, it's like amazing, and you're just like, wow, I wish we can get that more, and it kind of leaves uh you know a sense of desire to be had, right? And but I did I did enjoy this episode. Um, it just you know uh at one point you start seeing uh the beginning of what the war is, right? And all that, and I'm just like, man, there is nobody if this is like the coalition and they're supposed to have like so much support, there's really nobody around. It was like the beginning of a war, and it seemed like they didn't have like the budget to kind of show everybody, right? And that kind of hurts. And they and I mean I'm gonna prove my point in the next episode, but at least with this one. I mean, uh when I first seen this episode, I was like, please tell me that they're saving animation for the next couple of episodes. Spoiler, they're not. Keep going.

SPEAKER_07 18:53

They they do they do their best. Herm was a waste of space. I uh like if you're gonna save budget, don't do a lame ass episode like that, because you still have to animate that motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

That could have been like a funny gag to tell somebody, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 19:11

Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 19:12

Like, oh, you remember when I went to hell?

SPEAKER_07 19:15

Right. If I get ten episodes, strict budget, I am not putting in a filler episode. I'm sorry, it's not happening.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

And so to kind of jump to episode five from that episode, first of all, it kind of like I said, you're spinning your own wheels, and then when you get there, you're just like, okay, we're here. What's what's what is there? And like I said, the fight was cool, but if you look past the fight like around him, I'm like, okay, well, why wouldn't there have been more people to help out with stopping him?

SPEAKER_07 19:51

Yeah, the only ones that could put up a fight were the Viltromites that they had. In which case Allen is useless, tech jacket was useless. Yeah, everybody that that they were supposed to have was useless. Like I would have enjoyed to see a Battle Beast versus Conquest.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

Right. Like they should have been there, or like Theta should have been there, or like something. I understand that they were basically gearing up to goal at that moment, and they were already like on their way to meet up with the rest of them. But it just seems like they're they're you know, if you're picking up important people, you would send more than just a few. First of all, you wouldn't send all your important people on one ship and just let them go. If you have like a coalition and there's so many people, you would send a couple of ships to kind of go with them. You know what I mean? They shouldn't have been the main characters versus conquest again. It should have been a few other people. You know, I always just think of like the clone wars and the clone wars animation because that was like real war shit, like where you see like you know, people in the background getting hurt, like clones would try to go up against you know the main bad guy and they would get slaughtered on the side or whatever, blah blah blah. Like that's what I was kind of expecting on the lead up to actually meeting Thrag. No, we got a devil episode, and then we get a cool, decent fight with the main characters in Conquest yet again, but on a barren planet because we can't afford to do it on a citywide destruction budget edition.

SPEAKER_07 21:23

Right, right. So I mean I don't hate it, but it definitely has its faults. I do think the ending was probably the best part of it all. And then like I said, we're back kind of a slow pace with the next episode. It's only rated that way 'cause of the ending, dude.

SPEAKER_05 21:42

Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 21:47

Right.

SPEAKER_05 21:49

Uh episode four, episode six years old.

SPEAKER_07 21:55

Um Mark is in a coma from what happened to him and conquest Um, they've been Mark and Oliver. I mean, not Mark, Oliver and Omni Man were basically taking care of him. They were bonding, which I kind of enjoyed. We got to see there alone time. I just don't think it should be happening. Smackdown in the middle of a war. Um, Alan is still on his way to the Coalition of Planets. They get there like at the very end. Um Mark pulls through, and then they join the fright. They join the fight, take out, take out the Vilchmites from the Coalition of Planets, hit face, and then uh yeah, that basically sums up the episode. They struggle to carry a ship, which is fucking insane to me. Um yeah, no, this episode was not the worst, but it also wasn't exactly the best either, because you spent a good chunk of it watching over Mark, and then you spend the last chunk of it with barely any action.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Yeah, like yeah, there were, you know, I I enjoyed this episode because in the previous episode they kind of give you that nugget that you know Oliver and you know Omni Man are having their issues, and so like they have to talk it out while, you know, Invincible is recovering and all that stuff. I enjoyed it a little bit, but again, like I said, those are the moments where I'm like animation should really have been pushed here to kind of give you that emotional grounding, especially with like the facial expressions and all that stuff, and it just felt like not only did it feel rushed, but the animation felt rushed. Like everything just felt everything about it just felt rushed to the point where it was like you didn't sit with it, you couldn't feel the emotional weight. It was everything just felt like oh we gotta get back to the war pretty soon, and this is you know, to say budget time and kind of give people their you know their fix, this is what we're gonna put here. Enjoyable, but it didn't have to happen on a planet. I feel like you could have had this issue since planet Earth they didn't really plant those seeds. Like obviously they were kind of saying like he was talking to Debbie in a certain way or whatever, blah blah blah. But like I I don't feel like well, I mean timing-wise and like the way that the show is moving, I just feel like it was kind of lame to kind of put them just sitting there when it could have been happening for multiple episodes and possibly tied up in a bigger explosive moment at that time, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 24:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 24:25

Yeah, so I that's all I have. I mean, for that episode, I did like I said, I enjoyed the back and forth between them, and then we just they're like, okay, well it's time to get back into the to the action by the end of the episode. And so, like I said, you kind of don't get a sit with it much. Unfortunate. Uh see episode seven. Don't do anything rash. Josh, before you break down this episode, I'm I'm gonna let you do it. But we've heard the the the laughter, the chit chat when it came down to this episode. The animation struggles the most with this episode. Josh, let them know uh what happens in this episode, and we gotta start talking about it quick.

SPEAKER_07 25:04

Okay, we get a couple things happen in this episode. We get Thrags backstory, which is kind of nice. We get the team um on their way to the uh Viltrum to handle the rest of the Viltromites, which again, I I mean, for a slow side note, but like for a big battle, you only call in like 10 of your best people when we've seen them before. You don't call the rest of the 40 that are out there. I don't know what the fuck was up with that. Um they fuck uh they get to Viltrum, they fight, they take on it's Veltramites versus the coalition at this point, which is Mark, Omni Man, Oliver, and like all the main characters with like tech jacket. Right, right, right. Battle beast, tech jacket, our people, the people that they recruited for this big fight. Um, the GOAT MVP of the whole damn thing was the space writer, him and that fucking gun. Uh they fight, Thrag talks to Omni Man, offers a truce, tells him, hey, we can rebuild, you know, we this is our home. Omni Man's like, we got I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So they end up fighting. Thrag whoops they ass. Veltrum might get destroyed. Oh, you know, Veltrum gets destroyed, and then Thrag beats the ass for destroying the planet. So yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

I told you. That was it? I told you, yeah. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_05 26:33

Got a video right there, uh, waiting to be queued up. But like how you were saying, um this is where everything's supposed to culminate before you're basically left with a cliffhanger in episode eight. Um this one is not only the culmination of all the events of this season to basically hit the fan with its major villain. It's also the culmination of all the issues that we were talking about with the CGI. And like I said, basically the biggest villain is possibly Amazon and the producers of the show who refuse to get more animators and to kind of help this this ongoing issue and problem that people make TikToks about that we're gonna probably talk about in a second. First of all, I gotta say the interaction with Thrag and everything was cool. I know I had an issue with um Jeffrey D. Morgan's uh um we just talked about him a second ago. Um Conquest, yeah. I I had an issue with like him voicing him. I like Thrag's voice. Do I have an issue with the way they animated him? Kind of. Like he's not very menacing to me, uh unfortunately. The things he does is pretty scary though, I gotta say. Um everything was nice, tight with this one, but like I said, CGI struggles where there's supposed to be a war and you know, multiple people, and you know, like I said, like coalition's supposed to be helping. Just our main characters who are able to basically survive every single thing. Like Tech Jacket is able to survive a a 10 Viltramite encounter, which I just find kind of baffling. And then you also, like I said, you have the CGI hiccups or the animation hiccups where uh Viltramites basically disappear in thin air. You have Invincible turn into Paul at one point for like a second. Um, and then you have some clean animation where you know you see it in this little picture right here uh where it says episode seven, but you have the impact frame from when Invincible punches him in a d his dome ski and you have like that little scary like what the fuck? Like you you did nothing to me. Um so like they pick and choose, but then you have certain episodes like you know, Herm. Josh, did you see these little hiccups that were kind of circulating with this episode?

SPEAKER_07 28:53

I mean, I saw the usual ones. I know a lot of people were like scanning over this and they found a lot more, like that Paul thing. I didn't notice the first time until someone pointed it out. So I mean, I just noticed the basics. I noticed the JPEG fighting, I noticed the lack of animation, I noticed like things like that. But I never noticed Paul's face, and I never noticed that Velcher Mike just popping out of thin air.

SPEAKER_05 29:15

I that's the one that I noticed on my first watch when he just kind of like disappeared in thin air. I thought they like punched him to the point where like he just like darted into space. And I was just like, hmm, that's interesting. So that's like my perception of it when it first happened, and then when I saw everything circulating online, I was like, oh, they just did not have the budget to do it. But like I said, I pulled up this clip. Let's just watch all the mistakes. Uh shout out to Huckage Witch who put this video together.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Yesterday, sacrifices need to be made for these impact frames. We don't get them for free, and you got people appalled by the sight of them. We need Viltromites disappearing in space, just so we can have fright looking this time. Now everyone making the argument saying we shouldn't have to sacrifice them, but I'm telling you now, we do. This episode wasn't really the highest one of all time for the reason. Whoever was able to find money looking like that was just looking for a problem. And let's be honest, there are a few animation floors in the matter when this is looking at the map in someone say the reason why the mouse are moving in place, and the voice is just a loud installation voice actors money, eliminators letting the money with the animators animating the mouse. But let's be real, watching this monument, who is looking at mom, they're just slapping up. That's the most important part of this whole monument. But yeah, I'm gonna know some fans are just looking for problems.

SPEAKER_05 30:43

That's a good argument to be had right now. Like, that's kind of you know, I was making the point that you guys are making sacrifices for certain things. Explain the devil episode. Explain it, please. Like, why do we need that episode? You know what I mean? Sacrifices need to be made for impact frames. Are you fucking shitting me right now? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 31:04

I can't impact frames should be the norm. You shouldn't have to sacrifice for any of that. Oh, this looks tough, and it's like two seconds of a of a frame. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_05 31:14

We're getting that in 1999 with Goku and shit like that. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_07 31:18

I go with the 90s and 90s animators for those kinds of shows were peak. You know what I mean? And it's like hand-drawn. You feel like I don't understand that. But so what he's saying is if you go to a Gordon Ramsay restaurant, Gordon Ramsay doesn't cook your food, so your food comes out bad. But you're at a Gordon Ramsay restaurant.

SPEAKER_05 31:41

No, your food is cooked. That's what he's saying. The food is cooked, but you got no utensils, you ain't got no napkin. Okay, your cup might be water, it might be tequila, you don't know, but you shouldn't worry about that because Gordon Ramsay's making your food.

SPEAKER_07 31:56

Right. But it's like, no. If I'm getting Gordon Ramsay level shit, I should be getting all the stops. You shouldn't have to cut corners. I'm eating a fancy ass burger on a paper plate. That's what you're telling me. Fuck no.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

That's not how that works. I think the and I told you this back in like season two, because I I think this is when they revealed it when they were like, oh yeah, we're gonna just be showing frames of like the background and the camera moving and not the voices going or whatever. I I even forgot that they didn't speak the whole time. I was like, how the hell are they even communicating with each other during that episode?

SPEAKER_06 32:31

And I was like, No, it's just Alan through Alan, I guess. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

Alan was just like, I'm just gonna bridge the gap, but like I swear in what was it, season two, when he came down to Earth, he was like, Whoa, when he immortal came to like try to fight him and shit like that, wasn't he literally like I can't do two people at one time?

SPEAKER_07 32:49

Right. They must have fixed that and not told anybody. I don't know, dude. So I don't know what that was about.

SPEAKER_05 33:05

And barely making facial expressions.

SPEAKER_07 33:07

Exactly. So what are we doing, really?

SPEAKER_05 33:10

You know, giving money to high-end voice actors when or at least high-end actors when you should be giving it to voice actors who can do the role, possibly for a little bit cheaper too, and you know, give the animators a good kind of money so that the things could look good. Instead, we're spending big bucks on JK Simmons, and you know, I like I said, I know a lot of people were like rooting for Thrag, but who who plays him? Is he a big guy? Like I I feel like I don't know who he is.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

Um what what's his name?

SPEAKER_05 33:42

I don't know. Are you asking me? I mean, I don't know. What's the name?

SPEAKER_07 33:45

Exactly. I can't remember they I remember they mentioned it, I just can't rem I remember what it was.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

Lee Pace.

SPEAKER_07 33:55

Yeah, Lee Pace.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

Um okay. He was in Guardians of the Galaxy, we played Ronin, he was Greg in Bodies, Bodies, Bodies, Foundation Day. Uh he was in Running Man, he was the the bad guy under the mask and running man, the one with the glasses. And he played Ronin, okay. Alright. I know who he is. Like I said, Lee Place playing him, cool, sounds great. Should we get a high a good decent actor who costs a lot of money in lieu of a cheaper voice actor who can do possibly, if not a better voice because they have training for it and then be able to give us a good animated show. Like it's just not it's it's not does not compute.

SPEAKER_07 34:56

Yeah, I I don't know. I think there's I think there's easier ways to cut around the budget if that's the case. And one of them is not releasing a filler episode knowing that you got eight episodes to make.

SPEAKER_05 35:09

Did I like Thrag ripping off Datushead? Yeah, sure. Cool. Did I like Mark and the gang ripping Viltrum in half? Sure. Cool. I'm not gonna sacrifice for something that I that I should be getting. That sh it's not like we're watching the show because you guys said that it's supposed to be good. If it's not good and you guys can't make it good without sacrificing certain things that, in my opinion, are important. Cancel the motherfucker.

SPEAKER_07 35:44

Right. Exactly, yeah. If supply isn't meeting demand, oh okay, I'm fucking it's like when they you know, that whole thing where they're like, oh, if you buy something online, it's not technically yours. You they can get it, they can revoke it from you at any moment. But it's like, no, I paid for that. Hard-earned cash, you know what I mean? So it's the same thing. You shouldn't be sacrificing your age, you shouldn't be sacrificing for common shit. Impact frames are literally nothing, you know what I mean? They they're the bare minimum of stuff. Hair flow when you're flying is bare minimum stuff.

SPEAKER_05 36:27

Exactly, and I I'm just gonna put this up as like a reference as well, because you know, this is another I'm just gonna make a point about the whole getting a big name actor for something that shouldn't really need it because the video game's coming out, right? And there's been a lot of people that were like, oh, Stephen Yu's not voice acting invincible in this one. Like, I couldn't even tell. So let me just I'm gonna pull it up and we'll see if we can tell the difference or not, real quick.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

I came to this planet for one reason.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

You motherfuckers, the others they don't matter, but you this can be your destiny too.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No, I can't do that. Mark, we got reinforcements on the way. Just hold them off. Way ahead of you, Cecil.

SPEAKER_05 37:50

Yeah, I think pretty good voice acting, right?

SPEAKER_07 37:56

Half the cast isn't back either. I mean, it's not just Steven Yoon, it's like JK Simmons is back, but I don't think uh what's his name, like the dude that plays Cecil, I don't think he's playing Cecil in the game, like it's a good chunk of people not coming back to the game.

SPEAKER_05 38:11

That's what I'm saying. So I mean we could get people that sound like 'em, um, but just voice actors that are cheaper.

SPEAKER_07 38:20

Uh but it is. And it raises the question.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 38:24

It raises the question because if I'm playing the game, which I think I might, I might not buy it outright, you know what I mean, because sixty bucks for a game of these days is crazy. Right, but if it goes on special and I'm like, okay, I'll drop 30 bucks for it, whatever. And I have a better experience playing this game. And it's like the voice acting's better, the action is better. I mean, I'm creating the action at that point, but like I'm getting all this stuff from a video game on top of the voice acting being great, why can't the show that this thing is m for supposed to be made from be any better?

SPEAKER_05 39:03

Because we're getting filler episodes.

SPEAKER_07 39:04

Why are we paying out of pocket for these motors?

SPEAKER_05 39:06

Because we're getting filler episodes and expensive actors. But yeah, exactly. So if we could do it, exactly your point, if we could do it in a video game, why can't we just do it for the show? It's a good question. We should write to Amazon and let them know. But Josh, any pros to this episode? I mean, I did like the whole Omni Man and Thrag thing, don't get me wrong. Um, him creating a whirlpool with his punches is pretty cool. Um seeing the beam actually used on a Viltramite was pretty nice, but like I said, like everything these little nuggets were cool for me, but at least in the grand scheme of things, I'm just like, where is everybody else? Why is it just so empty? And why why is nobody speaking? And why are people disappearing? Like I said, I'm not gonna put that Paul thing. I think that's funny on its own separate thing. Uh, but I didn't notice it because exactly that. I was noticing Thra getting his head ripped off, not necessarily invincible turning into Paul, but that's still an issue, and the fact that people were able to catch that, it's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_07 40:08

Right, and I know a lot of people were probably saying, like, oh, it's like a joke at this point, like they're messing with us and this, this, and that. And it's like, so then they're taking time out of their budget to joke. They're like, what do you mean? Why? Why the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 40:22

Why would you do that? Some people were even like, oh, isn't that just a dark and uh invincible or not invincible uh omni man with uh without a mustache? And I was just like, damn, that's crazy. Um, but yeah, any pros for you though for this episode before we move on?

SPEAKER_07 40:39

I mean, I enjoyed it, like I think what I enjoyed most about it, I mean, this whole basically up until now the episodes is I think I like the scenes with Omni Man where he's just talking shit out. Like I I like I like I enjoyed it when he did it with Debbie, I enjoyed it when he did it with Mark and Oliver. I even enjoy it when he's talking to Thrag. I think like even if JK Simpson sounds like dead as doornails, there's something about at least in that aspect of their characters, just him trying to like be better and like be like, no, this is wrong and all that stuff. I enjoy.

unknown 41:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 41:19

So I mean I it's cool, it's cool, we got to see the fight, but I mean, when I'm more interested in the story, and the story isn't storying, you know what I mean? It's just not working out.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

Well, that's the thing. I feel like that's that thing where it's like I'm looking for this show. Like I said, in the beginning season in season one, it was peak, right? Like you had the story.

SPEAKER_07 41:37

We had it all.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

Yeah, story, animation, action, everything was there, right? You go down the road, you're here in season four, and you're just like, well, we're getting story, but it's half-assed. And then we're also getting action, but it's also half-assed. And so it's like everything's halfway through, you're like, Well, I'm not satisfied because you're not giving me the full, the full shebang, you know what I'm saying? Like, in season one, there was like literal random pilots that were just getting murked. I feel like if that happened in season by like season three, you wouldn't have had the budget to even put like little side characters like that getting murked or anything like that. You know what I mean? So it's unfortunate. Um, but yeah, episode eight, don't leave me hanging here.

SPEAKER_07 42:20

Episode eight, after the battle's said and done, injuries have been healed. It is time to go home. Everybody's going home. Or actually, no, that's not true. Mark and Nolan went home. Oliver got his shit kicked in minutes into the big battle with Thrag. So he stayed behind, he's in a test tube. Alan is runs the coalition. Mark finds out um that Eve was pregnant, she had an abortion, she got a little thick because she hasn't been using her powers. Um Nolan and Debbie work things out. He says, Hey, come with me. Let me make let me give you a shot to raise Oliver, but also, you know, show you that I've changed this, this, and that. Thrag shows up at the end. Oh, Mark's dealing with PTSD on top of the whole understanding that's an abortion thing, so he's seeing Thrag everywhere kind of murder his family.

unknown 43:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 43:16

But it's PTSD. Um, he's tell uh he meets with Thrag for real, who shows up, tells him that we are gonna live among the earth, we populate our numbers, and it's either you let us, or we turn this we flip this bitch around, and you know, we do what we do as Viltromates. Mark's like, okay, well, I guess I'll let it happen. So now there's General Krieg, Anissa, and Lucan just living amongst the humans, not a single car in the world. It's been two weeks. They were able to make it happen in two weeks.

SPEAKER_05 43:49

And just so like we can kind of put it into perspective too, at the end of episode seven, they did they were looking for Thrag and them, they were like, Well, where did it where did they go? And they were immediately like, Oh, he probably Went to Earth. So they were kind of rushing back by episode eight, and you know, obviously the ship only goes so fast, so Invincible was struggling with that whole PTSD thing and all that stuff. Decent story. Like I said, a little half-assed, and um, you know, we could have uh this is this is the one where I kind of feel a little conflicted. Maybe you can help me out here, right? So on one hand, obviously we're we're racing back home, and obviously there's the whole PTSD thing, right? In the back of my mind, I'm thinking, okay, well, we're wasting money on animation and everything, you know, already. Like when are we gonna get to like shit actually happening and giving us that mean, you know, cliffhanger that we're supposed to be getting? You know, we're getting these little PTS glimpses and all that stuff um from uh Mark because of, you know, everything he's been through or what he believes is gonna happen if they wind up making it all the way to Earth. I understood that for like maybe one or two scenes or whatever, but like they played that th out throughout the whole time thinking that we're supposed to feel something for it. Me personally, like I said, with everything in the back of my mind by the that episode, I was just more like, wow, we're wasting money on him, you know, thrag killing these side characters, and I know I was like, Oh yeah, that's you know, that's kind of what I wanted, but that's not what I wanted for the final episode when that's not supposed to be happening. You know what I'm saying? Like we're supposed to be seeing Mark go through you know what I could only assume was a tough war for him, right? Like this wasn't supposed to be easy, so he nearly died. So like if that's the case, then maybe we should have gone through, you know, why go through PTSD PTSD things of like what's gonna happen instead of like trying to help him work through what did happen, if that makes sense, you know what I mean? Like I understand he's worried about it, but it just didn't I understand what you're saying. Yeah, it didn't make a lot of sense to me.

SPEAKER_07 46:04

I understand what you're saying, and I think this is what this this is a sh problem this show has where it has the pacing of like a comic book, you know what I mean? So I'm reading an arc, okay, arc over next arc, okay, a couple pages in next arc, whatever, right? And I know before I get the oh, it's a comic book show. What do you expect? No, a sh a show is still supposed to have layers and still, you know, intertwine things. That's why it's a show. That's why they that's why Harry Potter, as as dumb as it is, is getting a show, so they can intertwine things and expand more on stuff. So the war should have lasted more than two episodes. You're telling me it took it lasted like a month, but we spend most of that month watching Oliver and Nolan.

SPEAKER_05 46:54

Yeah, we saw little glimpses of like ships going to places to fight and all that stuff, but it wasn't like yeah, it wasn't full-blown war. Like you didn't see everything happen.

SPEAKER_07 47:03

Everything went fast. Exactly. And then you're telling us that with with the people with Thrag and Krieg, you're telling me that they're losing numbers and that things are happening, but we're not seeing it. Telling me and seeing it are two different things. So if the war lasted like two, three episodes up until the end, and then make the back make the next season where he addresses Adam Eve, all that stuff. We even cut to the middle, get to the virus, yeah, whatever. That's the thing. Like, this is what I this is the gripe I had with season three, where like he was like, where they're like, oh, the the clone episode, or not the clone episode, the multiverse episode with all the marks and stuff, should have lasted two two episodes. That should have been like seven or six, seven, and then eight with conquest. You know what I mean? Like that should have lasted longer. These episodes need to last longer, but they wasted on people, they wasted on on unnecessary filler episodes, they wasted it uh they wasted on not talking and then impact frames. Their their story is moving at a comic book pace, not at a show pace. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_05 48:14

I understand that. I get that, and I see what you're saying a hundred percent. And exactly that, it's not it is a comic book show, but they're adapting the comic book show or the comic book into an animated show. It's not a it's not meant to just be like, you know, it's the same issue that we had with Superman where everybody was like, oh yeah, you kind of get just thrown in there, you're supposed to be like a comic book, like going through chapters or whatever, and it's like I don't vibe with that. Like we need to have, you know, I'm not saying that you need the whole well, obviously, if you're gonna want more weight, then either which way you want every single episode to tie together with every single one, not dinosaurs in one, and then you know, we get the backstory of Viltromites, and then you know, Mark's kind of going crazy because he wants to kill, you know, he a little bloodthirsty because he knows that he needs to put people down, and then you get hell.

SPEAKER_07 49:07

Yeah, and these are like arcs and things that are happening in the span of an hour. You can't sit with nothing for an hour. Move most movies take two, three hours, and that's just for Iron Man to learn not to be a fucking douchebag, you know what I mean? Like, like, and there's things happening to this to these characters that are spanning between episodes. This is why I think when, like I said, when it comes to Omni Man and Debbie, and like them, I was waiting for them to talk. I've been waiting, I was waiting for them to like interact with each other because it feels like they're getting the biggest like arc and story. Adam, Adam, Eve, and Mark, they they're supposed they're loving Trist because they're main characters, you get what I'm saying? But I still don't feel like we understand why Adam Eve or why Eve like ticks the way she does.

SPEAKER_05 49:56

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's what I feel too, because even when like she was like, I got an abortion, I was just like right, right, and it's somehow invincible's fault because he had to go save the universe because Vilcher mites are coming through. I don't know, buddy. I don't know. I see, and then yeah, and then we get to the whole point of like you know, Thrag getting there and all that stuff, and I feel like this whole episode should have been like Thrag letting you know like I were round him, and then Mark trying to figure out like how to kind of like defuse it as quick as possible, and then leave us with the cliffhanger of like was he able to do it or not, and then we get to the next season and it's like no, uh it's you know, it's actually getting worse, the problem's getting worse, whatever, blah blah blah, and we can move on from there. Obviously, I'm just kind of throwing things at the wall right now because it's quick, but I do think that for the most part we should have had um you know Invisible looking for more places than just fucking Chicago and shit. You know what I mean? Like Chicago's not the only place on Earth. Like, what if they were hiding in India or something? Or what if they were hiding in you know China or some shit? You know what I mean? Like you're telling me they they have to go to Chicago, like that's just the only place that they could have went, and you know, luckily they did. But I'm just saying, like, that's not you know, if I was a superhero thinking like they're gonna have in ha you know, habitate my planet, I'm gonna look everywhere. I'm not just gonna look at one spot.

SPEAKER_07 51:31

Right. Bigger cities, I'd be like, okay. New York would be another one, you know what I mean? Just because its population's fucking huge, it has a lot of people, women, that's what they're men and women, that's what they're looking for, right? I don't know. And that's the thing. I just don't think we sit with stuff the way we're supposed to. Like, like if every episode was kind of like that last 10 minutes of conquest and mark like rip, like where they're just going at each other and he's like ripping his insides out and all that stuff. If we were if we could sit with that, we can sit with two or three episodes more of Mark explor of them doing the war, Mark having PTSD, yeah, and then the culmination of all that. I don't think we needed Mark seeing Thrag rip everybody in half four different times uh through the episode just for him to pop up and be like, here's what we're doing, you know what I mean? I think we could have gotten that with Debbie, I think we could have gotten that with Adam Eve. I don't think we give a fuck if it happens to Cecil and then. And he shouldn't either, I don't think. I thought he fucking hated him.

SPEAKER_05 52:36

That's an yeah, that's another thing too. Um, and even then, like, wouldn't you have confronted him about the whole conquest thing?

SPEAKER_07 52:43

Exactly. That would have been number one. I'd have been like, okay, that I think after like seeing like my girlfriend is make sure everything's alright. Just going to him would be number two. You know what I mean? Like, how do you go to this guy? I think the hardest scene You know he does shady shit.

SPEAKER_05 52:59

I think the hardest scene of this episode had to be the Cecil and uh Nolan interaction.

SPEAKER_07 53:05

Exactly. And that's just hard hitting shit because he's he's like, You shouldn't be on my fucking planet, you know what I mean? And all the man's just like, well, I'm changing. He's just like, I don't give a damn about your change, go. You know what I mean?

unknown 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:18

Well, I like the little line where he's like, where he's like, um, I'm just remembering what happened here. He's like, on this planet or in this exact spot, and I'm just like, damn. And then he like flipped it back on him later on, and I'm just like, damn. I'm like, Cecil, you could still rip your head off. I'm like, damn, okay.

SPEAKER_07 53:37

See, and like in it's things like that between characters that I enjoy. We just don't get enough of that because we're focused on the next fucking scene, and nerds eat up impact frames. No, a TV show, you're supposed to expand on these things and these feelings. The most hard-hitting stuff about season two was literally Debbie reeling in from what Nolan did to her.

unknown 54:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:01

And the whole thing. Like her world is fucking shattered. Her man, the man that she trusted for 20 years, turned out to be an alien, and at the end of the day, called her a fucking pet. Like that is something we should be reeling with. Eve having an abortion that should not just be sprung on us last episode, especially on Mark, and that his PTSD shouldn't only shouldn't have lasted two weeks. We should have been seeing him see horrific shit on top of his insights getting torn out. He should have been seeing Conquest way more than he should have been seeing Thrag. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 54:34

Yeah, exactly, because that's the person who basically put you on your ass. Like, don't get me wrong, Thrag was doing damage to him, but he didn't do enough damage like Conquest was doing to him. So if anything, he gave him mercy. So that's kind of like is what he did. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 54:49

He was knocked out. He was already knocked out when he had him by the like the head. If he wanted it clean cut, you know what I mean? Clean, swift. He don't even gotta think about it no more. The agony that he was feeling when Conquest was like digging in him, pause, like that should be hit ten times more.

SPEAKER_05 55:06

Yeah, that should have been the issue. That's what I was kind of leaning towards too. I was like, man, that should have been his PTSD problem. Like he looked down and he sees like all his guts coming out or something, and it's like Thrag and Conquest is there or something. You know what I mean? Like that could have been better, but it's like, oh no, we only have money for you know one person to show up, and that's gonna be Thrag, unfortunately. Even though it's a dream sequence and you can easily have anybody there, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_07 55:31

Right. Like imagine Mark is like, oh well, I can't really eat, or I can't really, you know, his body isn't processing using the restroom, you know what I mean, because his it feels like his guts are being rearranged. Like they were being manhandled, like I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 55:47

That missed opportunity.

SPEAKER_07 55:48

They're lacking, they're like they're lacking a lot of depth. That's my that's my big thing. I don't think this episode should have been as long as it was.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

Where did we like uh the cliffhanger and the ending and where we're basically gonna be heading for uh season five?

SPEAKER_07 56:03

I mean, again, it's just one of those things where like if you read the comics, you know what's coming, you know what's gonna happen, and it's just another one of those, oh dude, we're getting crazy, it's gonna get crazy, Alan and the Scourge virus, and the it's gonna be crazy. I can't keep riding that ride. That sign isn't gonna attract me anymore. I need a I need a trailer or something, I can't keep being told like oh it's gonna get fucking nuts, and it's like we're f this is the fifth season. How how are we still riding this wave?

SPEAKER_05 56:38

Till this day I'm kind of upset that those like little teaser clips where like they're sitting in the little dining booth. Yeah. And like that shit looks way better than anything we've seen in any of these episodes, which is crazy. Exactly. We have shadows. We don't get shadows. For me, I do like the direction it's going, but like I told you, even from the beginning of this season, it's like everything is just gonna be half-assed. So we're like, we're gonna see them walk amongst the people. Like, that's probably only gonna last for like an episode or two for season five. So I mean, as much as I wanna be excited for what kind of conflict that would cause for Mark and what you know it could do, I know a lot of people are just looking forward to like what Anissa's gonna do to him. And I'm like, you guys fucking weird, but that's okay. Um, but it's you know, I am I excited for another season of Invincible off this cliffhanger alone? No, unfortunately not, especially with like the animation and everything, but I think I'm just kind of invested to the point where I'm gonna check in just to see what happens, but it's not like oh I'm I'm dying for this next season, or I'm dying for this for something else to happen. It is down this line, like we need better animation. The voice acting is kind of there, but the animation is just not gonna it's not gonna help it out. It's not helping it out as of right now. Um all in all, Josh, I mean, at least at least IMBD is claiming that episode seven is the highest rated episode at a 9.9 out of ten. I mean, do we do we agree that that's the best episode of the season? Or if not, what's the best episode of the season for you?

SPEAKER_07 58:33

I mean, are people only I are people only liking it because it's the culmination? Like it's the ending, like it's like the conflict that's the big thing at the end, and everyone was kind of rooting for that.

SPEAKER_05 58:44

I assume, and then obviously, like I said, I gotta be I mean, if you for I I guess people like the whole Thrag Omni Man fight and all that stuff, and don't get me wrong, I like the whole face thing. Have we had better fights in my opinion? Yes. So I mean, I personally can't agree with this number, but I mean, what do you think?

SPEAKER_07 59:08

I don't agree. I mean, it's cool, like that's the thing. A part of me wants to like this is the one part where I'm like the boom bang pal stuff ain't drawing me in because it doesn't look colorful, it doesn't really move the needle. I have seen anime with better fucking like fight scenes and budget, you know what I mean? And it's just like no comparison. Like I can send you stuff where and you'll be like, this shit's 110% on Invincible's animation, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 59:38

And like so, which one would be your best episode if this is not the my favorite from this season?

SPEAKER_07 59:50

I okay, I if just because I enjoy every I everything up until the conquest stuff, I think I I would probably give it to episode five. I like n I like yeah, I like Nolan and Debbie talking and like the reuniting. I like this is where this is where the conflict between him and Oliver starts, where he's like, you didn't even want to come see me, this, this, and that. And then you get the ending with Conquest. I think that was very satisfying. I think that was cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:23

Um, yes, to all of that, and I gotta agree with you. I I personally think I it's not the best episode of the series, but at least for this season, I do enjoy uh it a lot better than what we got with episode seven. Obviously, exactly what you named as well, but I gotta add as well the tension between Conquest and Invincible was great, especially what happened at the end of um season three. Like that that tension was amazing, and I feel like I personally thought that we were gonna start at that point in the beginning of this season. Like basically, you know, episode one was gonna be like a setup of Conquest and kind of like that rematch that's gonna happen because he survived, but they kind of saved that for midway, which is funny to me. But I personally that I gotta say that's gotta be my my favorite one. Even the fight scene, even though I gotta say it was kind of lackluster that they kind of made him choke him out for him to to die. I thought they were gonna give him a bigger beat down before it was just gonna be like clamped on, locked on kind of thing. But I mean, I enjoyed what we got for the most part.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:28

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:31

So uh Josh. I mean, I kind of gave my thoughts on what can possibly be better. You agree with me with for season five, CGI gotta get better. We gotta allow it.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:43

I mean, yeah, animation, animation really has to get better, right? Right. Give me fo give me substance with an actual fucking plate. And you know, that's all they asked for. Like, shadows, bare minimum, impact frames. I'm not saying throw them in every fight, but come on, you should not be fucking jumping ship or jumping, you know, out of your seats for right at the end when it happens. You know what I mean? Like, no, we should have been getting that up until that point. I don't know. Well, people eat up sometimes, will always baffle me, but animation needs to get better. They need to cut cut they need to cut people, they need to cut hard acting people. Like, if I hear they get Brian Cranston for next season, yeah, no. We're getting a bunch of fucking sticks, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

That's like on his wish list or whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:32

It's like exactly. And you know, he ain't gonna be cheap about it either. So we're getting fucking stick figures for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:39

They're like we we got the drawings, that's about it. We couldn't really animate them. But Brian can say the lines during lunch, and I just kind of recorded it while he was sitting across from the dinner table.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:51

Right. Um Salad olive in his teeth.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

Right. Um Josh, how would you rate this season? One through ten, one being the worst, ten being the best, five being in the middle.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:08

I'm still not moved. I mean, I don't think it's like my f it's not my favorite season. I think I think if I were to like if we were to rank them, I don't think this even comes cle comes close to like top two. So I can't uh it was average. I think everything I like the Velchramite stuff. I think I care more for Nolan, Nolan's little episode than I do for Thrag's little arc and or origin, whatever. I mean, I probably I'd probably give it like six out of ten.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

Okay. Okay. Yeah, and I mean just that too. Like I said, I don't think we have a review for the first season. So I mean, either we'll do that as a full episode or we'll probably just do a review for all of them and kind of rank them as we see fit. Maybe we'll do a rewatch of the full all the seasons and just kind of you know, give it a bundle go, right? Give it a bundle go. But uh season four shit. It just sucks because, you know, like I said, we had the highest highs with season one and then season two, for at least personally for me, season two, you know, trying to be meta gummed up the works with the whole animation thing, which kind of made a lot of the fandom start watching, you know, the animation and what's basically happening. By season three, you you know, it it kind of felt exactly what people are saying, like they're joking with us and all that stuff. I mean, you get some good stuff here and there or whatever. We're here at season four, and I'm assuming that we're so like I said, we're into this show already. We should be at the point where we're getting pretty much decent tier, decent to uh pretty much great stuff. You know what I mean? Like there shouldn't be there shouldn't be this weird disconnect and there shouldn't be people online being able to nitpick your animation because you, you know, apparently cannot pay your animators that much. When we get around to it, it's gonna be interesting where I kind of put this season. Um, when we rank them all together, but at least for myself, I gotta give this one at least a five? Five? I I could rewatch it again, but it's just not my I don't think it's my favorite right now. I don't know. Maybe when I rewatch the seasons, I wanna say season two kind of hurts a little bit more, but I gotta rewatch them. I gotta give this a five.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:30

Okay. So we're like in the same ballpark.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:33

It's invincible. It's invincible. It is what it is. Um, but let us know what you guys think. Check out the season four Invincible episodes. There's eight of them. Uh we're gonna be getting season five pretty soon. Uh hopefully the animation gets better. We get better, you know, acting scenes, at least in animation, and it's not just you know, behind the head and whatnot, blah blah bla Blah blah blah. Uh, we're hoping for great things when it comes to this show. We're not here to shit on it. I like I said, I was a fan in the beginning. Unfortunately, it seems like these seasons have been kind of cutting me down every single time. Well, let us know what you guys think. Uh, Josh, uh, let them know where they could talk to us about topics we should be talking about, movies we should be reviewing, TV shows. They want to hear the voice on one of these episodes. Josh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:23

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SPEAKER_05 1:06:43

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:46

We'll talk to you guys later.