Ep 505 Key and Peele drama, Starwars sequels might be retconned, and more

In this episode the FilmBros discuss Starwars Sequel hate, Key and Peele drama, some light DC news and more

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SPEAKER_05 0:00

What up everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh. Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. Alright, Josh. So, a lot of scandals, a lot of things to talk about today. One thing that I want to talk to you about that I'm pretty sure either you've seen it going around the internet or it completely flew over your head. But there's been rumors, there's been speculation, there's been so many things coming out of the woodwork, and it all started because a comedian decided to talk about a gig. Alright. Uh comedian came out there. I forgot who the comedian was. I think her name was Asaya Roth or something like that. She was on Reddit. She came out and basically told the story on stage. And the story, a lot of people associate this story to, and you know, she she was uh she was really cool with covering the name. She called it Banana and Locke, but a lot of people put two and two together and knew that she was talking about uh Key Pill and Jordan Pill. Right. Okay. Um that was a duel back in 2015. Back in the 2010s, you could never see apart, okay? Up until 2015. Up until 2015 when their show ended, they basically split apart and they went their separate ways. Actually, that's not true. I think in 2016 we did get a movie. It was called Ki Kianu, or it was about a cat. Yeah, right? It was about a cat. They even did like a Toy Story together. Um they they did a job together, and a lot of people were like, okay, that's a little satisfaction right there, right? They still are working together, they're not really separating 100%. But then the 2020 came, right? 2018, 2019, the 2020s, and we've never seen them together ever again. Here we are in 2026. You know, a lot of this is this is the big thing, right? This is the big thing. There is they said Key Peel is so big, right, that he's a director, he makes his own movies that he could easily put Jordan Peel in a movie if he wanted to. So much so, like it doesn't, it doesn't have to be a full, a full-on role. It could be a cameo, it could be something small, you know what I mean? Like, if that was your brother, that you guys have been doing this for a long time, why haven't you put him in more movies, right? Right. This is a big thing. I I don't know if you've noticed this. I don't know if you've seen that Jordan Peel and uh Keegan Peel or Key Peel have not been uh together, basically. Like they you've not seen them together in a while.

SPEAKER_01 2:42

I mean, yeah, I noticed that. I think the last time they did I remember them doing something was what, Toy Story? Toy Story Four? I want to say it was Toy Story. I think it was four.

SPEAKER_05 2:54

It was four with the Bears, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

Yeah, I think that was it. I think that was the last time I think I remember them being like together.

SPEAKER_05 3:00

And that was in 2018, 2017, something like that, right? So it's like it's been close to 10 years, damn near. So, like, why why haven't they worked together? Well, there's some theories out there. I'ma let you listen to this TikToker. Uh, she kind of breaks down the whole situation. Uh, they even they even addressed the whole maybe get out is about this whole situation that caused them to rift apart. Well, let's let's listen to it because it's actually an interesting story.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Get out secretly about the director's best friend's wife. Because don't forget, you guys, get out was created by Jordan Peele of Keegan Peel, and his best friend at the time was Keegan Michael Key. And according to comedian Akeela Hughes, who was working with Keegan um on developing a sketch comedy show, that just might be the case, y'all. Because that Keegan Michael Key's wife is ruining his career. And apparently, she's not the only person who feels that way. In fact, Jordan's wife also allegedly feels the same way. And for coming to next, this is a photo of Keegan Michael Key and his wife. So, according to Akeila, she and Keegan Michael Key were developing a sketch comedy show that went down the drain as soon as his wife got involved somehow undernosed to Akeelan. She wound up joining the team as executive producer, and she just gave the worst notes and tried to take everything over, threatened to soothe the network, which was a Disney channel. And the list goes on. In fact, apparently Disney had to pay off Keegan and his wife to get rid of them from this project. Um, but more on that later. Apparently, comedian Chelsea Paretti is a real woman because she, when she heard that Akeela was working on a show with um with Keegan, she was like, Wife of his is gonna be involved. So she called up Maquila and told her, listen, be careful. His wife is something like Phil Hartman's wife. And um, I have to admit, I don't know anything about Phil Hartman's wife. So I went on the evening to look her up, and lo and behold, that's the woman who went about shooting him and killing him. I'm actually quite surprised that Michaela could say this, um, about Chelsea pretty like you know kind of like snitching her so publicly. I guess Chelsea's her doesn't give a crap. And so that's why Mikhaila put the tea out there, but it is intense. So I guess this really does mean that the Keyan People friendship and working relationship is overdone, which really sucks for us. Family's right anyway. Like I said earlier, according to Nikila, like because um Keegan's wife, like, um Disney had to pay him and his wife month just to get away from this project, and they said, Okay, Nikhaila, we still want to do your sketch show, but we need for you to rewrite it because we can't have anything that was associated with Keegan and his wife, obviously, because they'll come back and sue us, right, for intellectual property. So she said, I'm gonna write that. So she and her team started working on a new script, but unfortunately, this was around the time that that massive writer strike was going on, and so uh that wound up like just ruining everything.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

Okay. So you kind of got the gist. Jordan Peel's wife, Peretti, which you've seen her, she's in Brooklyn 99, uh, was trying to warn Key that, hey, if you're gonna be, you know, not Key, but the comedian, that if you're gonna work with Key, you gotta understand that there's gonna be coming some hardships with it. Turns out Key's wife is a big problem, that she likes to be in the middle of everything. Um, speculation says that, hey, you know, when they were trying to make a project together, that she dabbled again, and when Jordan tried to tell her to stop or try to make them stop, they couldn't, and instead of ruining their friendship or whatever, they decided the working relationship was over.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Well, damn. I mean, if that's the case, then we're never gonna see them like work together or anything, that sucks, but damn, yeah, no, I would have never guessed that the movie would be about his wife.

SPEAKER_05 7:03

I mean white family controlling the black man, changing the black man.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Yeah, we know that we know that now, but I didn't know what his wife looked like before.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

No, I didn't know I didn't know that either. So, like, of the fact that that you know, so I mean, would that make a working relationship stop if you kind of dissed me in your movie? Would that make a friendship stop because you dissed me in your movie?

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Kind of. I mean, at the same not only was he kind of at that point kind of the inspiration for the movie, but you're also saying, hey, your wife is out to get you and ruin your career. You should get out. It was pretty strong. It was pretty strong. It is pretty strong.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

But he came up with it. I'm just putting it together. Mm-hmm. So, I mean, I mean, a comedian's wife, a Jordan's wife, basically coming out and saying that your wife is the equivalent of somebody who basically murdered her husband. You know what I mean? That apparently that lady has cost that man so much money, according to the comedian as well, that she has cost him so much money just on the fact that she tells him no to this, no to that, and yada yada blada blada. So I mean. We still see him. I I one of the com one of the the jokes that the comedian did say on when the whole skit when I watched it was that he still she blurted out the word uh the names, but that he still plays in commercials where he has to play the the insurance agent guy and everybody else gets to play themselves. And I was like, damn, because literally during the Super Bowl, he was playing Jake from State Farm. Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Right. So he doesn't really, he's really not that guy. He'll probably fade into obscurity at any of these years.

SPEAKER_05 9:02

Isn't it sad when the other half kind of rises and you're kind of left in the dumps? Yeah. The the way that they kind of worded the the when they when they were pitching to the comedian, the way that she said that it was, it was she said that we could start a comedy show with the less successful half of Key and Pill.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

That's so fucked up. Yeah. But I guess that's I guess that's true. I mean, even if the even if that's the case, how funny could it be if he's the lesser half? You know what I mean? Like it they bounced off each other well enough to where one was playing the fool and one was always playing like the smart one or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

I always felt like Jordan had like this sophisticated comedy towards him where Key was always like this little kid comedy. Where like he would do voices. It'll be funny. Yeah. It'd be like, you know, scary movie funny, where like Jordan would do like some dry funny, where it would be like, you know, little things here and there. Like he could still jump into Key's domain, but he would stick in his own for the most part, and Key would always just be like that goofy guy that would be like the punching bag for the most part.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

So right, right, right.

SPEAKER_05 10:12

Unfortunately, it was set up that way. Um, it's another unfortunate circumstance that you're you know, your tea is kind of being spilt by a uh comedian that didn't get their show off because your wife stopped you. You ruined it. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know. Are we hoping to see them in an art project at some point? I mean, do you want to see them tonight?

SPEAKER_01 10:36

I don't think so. I think it's always probably like a one-off, maybe. Maybe like another Toy Story thing in a couple of years where they just voice act together and you're you're satisfied with that. But I don't think they'll ever step back into those shoes again. Like an actual full.

SPEAKER_05 10:52

Clearly, one is yes, clearly someone is in the stratosphere and one's still in the hemisphere. Right, right, right. Um, yeah. Yeah, I mean I would like to see them work again. It'd be cool. You know, it'll be like a cool little reunion moment. Do I think that we're gonna get that anytime soon? Probably not. No. You know, they always say not to mix what is it? Where don't stip don't stick your pen where you dip your ink. Or something like that, right? Or like don't you?

SPEAKER_01 11:27

Yeah, I'm gonna assume those, right?

SPEAKER_05 11:29

I don't really know. Yeah, something about company pen dipping in the company ink or something like that. Yeah, you don't do that stuff. You kind of just keep you keep pushing. Um I I do think I do think that they should get back together though. I I think like a movie with them two together and they announce it. Not like a Keanu movie, like don't do a Keanu movie. Like, we gotta actually do like a funny movie, like maybe like a a full-length Key and Peel movie, like them just coming back.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

I don't know. That doesn't even sound too appealing.

SPEAKER_05 12:02

Ah, I see what you did there. Uh peeling. Okay, alright. We're moving on after that. Lame ass pun, okay, because we're gonna move on. Let us know what you guys think. Uh Jordan and Jordan and Keegan peel are just apparently not seen eye to eye. They've been on different paths for quite some time, obviously, if you as everybody has kind of noticed in the world. Um, they've been good about keeping it a little on the DL, though. I have not noticed that it's been like 10 years since the last project they basically did together. So, I mean they've been kind of hiding it pretty well. They sprinkled themselves. Um, but I do think the last time we saw them was in Toy Story, and they kind of need to fix that. So we'll see what happens, right? We'll see what happens. Moving on, Josh, Melissa Barrera is going scorched earth on motherfuckers. Okay, so apparently she is creating her own production company, right? Um, and Melissa Barrera, everybody remembers, she was unceremoniously kicked off of the newest Scream movie that was recently released, the Scream 7 film. Uh, she was let go of. Uh General Ortega was also I don't she chose not to return. Um, a few casts decided not to return after Melissa Barrera's firing. Um, everybody knows that she decided to speak out about the whole Palestinian thing, and that's what basically caused her to lose every single job that she basically did, except for a couple of films that we actually came out and that were pretty successful. They were pretty successful, so successful that apparently she was able to start making her own uh production company. She even came out to say during an interview that apparently she believes that Scream 7 uh inflated the numbers, that they're lying about it. Um, and that the only way that they were able to get anybody to see uh the movie was nostalgia bait as much as possible, says Melissa Barrett. She also goes on to say that um there were people basically crossing the picket fence line. Uh 100% I think they all are, and they have to live with that. Um and you know, she's talking about Neve, she's talking about Courtney Cox, she's talking about the other two twins that decided to come back. Um and when she says she crossed the they crossed the picket fences because she got fired from the movie, and I want to say like less than a month later, they were kind of scooped up for Scream 7, am I right? Like they were, you know, we lost the director, and right after the director came in Neve Campbell and all them, and you know, the script was different. We even talked about like, you know, Neve at one point was trying to come back for Scream 6, but they said no, we're not gonna pay you that much money because you you're just asking for too much. Um, and then they just turned around and gave it right to her. So, I mean, what do you think about Melissa but uh coming out and just firing shots at the whole the whole crew at this point?

SPEAKER_01 14:55

I think that's great. I think finally I think we're finally seeing something. I thought this would come happen a little sooner, but now that she's in the presses and trying to get her own production company. Kind of cool. That movie was ass. I know you didn't see it, but I will terrible. I will. It was just it wasn't good.

SPEAKER_05 15:14

My thing is is that my my thing is is that okay, and I'm I'm I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and saying, okay, Melissa Baretta stood up for what she wanted, and then they they basically replaced her and went the different direction, right? I could kind of say she did the same thing though, right? Like they wanted her, but they wanted Neve back for Scream 7 or Scream 6. She uh Neve said, Well, I'm not gonna go back with less money, I should be able to have more money, right? And what they do, they kicked her out, and Melissa Barreta came in back, and you know, they basically get building now. Was Scream 6 already in motion with with because of Scream 5? Yes, I I already agree, but Neve was asking for more money. I didn't hear Melissa Berreta come out and be like, you know what, this is Neve's franchise, she deserves the money. We need her to you know we need her to get the money so she can come in. So that didn't happen.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

No, that's completely no, that's not the same thing. She's not the star anymore. I'm sorry, even as a business person, even if I'm the dude in Paramount that controls the money, I would be like, well, you're not the star. You're not the star, you and this the franchise- yes, it's your franchise, but you're not the star anymore.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

If you're if I'm not the star when you ask me to come back.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Because she's I mean, I'm not saying she's not the star.

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Like, she's not the final girl. But that's that's like saying that's like saying that's like um shit, what's a fucking that's like Paul Walker being in every single Fast and the Furious movie and he does it for the same pay every single time. And he doesn't he doesn't ask for any more or nothing like that. It's like, well, why wouldn't he get paid more? That is that not his payment. Let's not say him, because he's the lead guy. Let's say Tyrese. Let's say Tyrese. He's you know, he's in the background, he's been in the couple movies, he's been in and out or whatever. That's still considered like his franchise. Why you know he why would he come back and not take a little bit more money for coming back? Like I said, maybe Neves was maybe out of control. Maybe it was it was a little bit too much because you know, what is it? What's that saying? You have to aim high and then meet somewhere in the middle when they're while they're aiming low, kind of thing, right? So it's like if Melissa Baretta would have stood up for her at that moment and at least put something out or whatever, I would have totally seen this as like, yeah, Neve is kind of backstabbing. But Melissa Baretta got her paper, and then when the paper stopped, now all of a sudden she wants to speak out and call people quote unquote scabs. I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

They took her dude.

SPEAKER_05 17:52

I'm sorry, no, they took her words Campbell's money too. Like a couple years ago. And I'm not like I said, two different things because one is losing out on a role because of your words, and then one is because you're asking for too much money. So I can obviously can see the difference there. But I would have assumed Melissa Baretta would have at least advocated and been like, you know what, Neve should come back. It is her role. I mean, if you guys can't pay her that much, pay her a different amount or something, you know what I mean? Like it would have gone a long way if she would have showed a little bit more tenacity for somebody else, but she's over here like, oh, yeah for me. But when did you do anything for anybody else?

SPEAKER_01 18:29

The franchise at that point outgrew Neeve, dude. Yes, it was cool to see her, but you know, five and what legacy sequels do, they introduce them, they kill them off. That's what happened with Dewey.

SPEAKER_05 18:41

But not Neam, not Courtney, but they could have.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

That's the point.

SPEAKER_05 18:46

Even Courtney came back for Scream 6.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

She needs work. Have you seen her in anything else?

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Well, that's what I'm saying. So it's like she even took like I mean, I mean that could kind of go in the the counter-argument where like, you know, Courtney Cox even took like a pay cut to be in this movie, but like Neve couldn't or whatever. But like, that's what I'm saying. Like I think my bottom line, because it's obviously not a one-for-one, is that if Melissa Beretta would have stood up for Neve Campbell when it came down to the money thing, regardless if she would have gotten it, I would have stood with her a little bit now. But she never I don't think she ever came out to be like, well, Neve kind of deserves this money. She's been in this role since what, the nineties?

SPEAKER_01 19:27

No, man. No. I I disagree. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

SPEAKER_05 19:38

Coming out to see that they inflated the numbers is kind of intense.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

I would say that's kind of intense. I don't know. I mean, as someone who did go see it, I would say it's my theater was kinda packed.

SPEAKER_05 19:53

So I think a lot of people were excited for this one, but obviously there was some disappointment because I think maybe some people were expecting a Melissa Beretta return, maybe they were expecting General Ortega at one point, but because you know, maybe they're not ear to the streets, they didn't know that was happening, they went to watch it and they're they walked out like Matthew Lillard. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Like it's it's like what like how does that even happen? I don't know the number if the numbers are true or not. We I don't know if I want to discuss that or be like, you know, there's some finangling happening in Paramount. Let's just try to say that the numbers are real and Melissa Better is just talking shit because she's upset. I will say at the end of all this, you can't call people scabs and you fucking do the same thing, unfortunately. Like, is uh it's not one for one, like I said, but you did not you did not stand up for Neve. You didn't stand up for Neve at the time. And now you want to be able to do it. You don't need to be able to do that. She wants Neve to stand up to her. Stand up for her. Nobody owes anybody in this business.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

She's not the star. Nobody owes anybody. No one, you're right. No one knows no one owes anybody in this business. And it is a you know, unfortunately, dog eat dog world.

SPEAKER_05 21:04

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

But at the same time, you're not the star. You're not getting the same amount of cut. It's the same thing what happened with what's his name in Iron Man. You're not getting the same amount of money for that.

SPEAKER_05 21:18

That's different. Iron Man was supporting rehab. That's different.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

That's different. She went from main character to supporting character. Your pay is obviously gonna take it.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

Because guess who decided to fire their lead?

SPEAKER_01 21:34

Paramount. And they were actively wrong for that. Seven sucked.

SPEAKER_05 21:38

So, I mean, in a way, she did kind of scab it because it's like, okay, well now there's an open slot. You need me now, right? And she went for it.

SPEAKER_01 21:47

Yeah. Crawling to Paramount, and then Paramount finally being like, Alright, fine, we'll pay you lead numbers. And it's like, you had to fire somebody over freedom of speech. Not just somebody.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

You lost the horror. Your star. You lost your star. You lost the sec the secondary star that was already in the stratosphere because of Wednesday. And then you lost the the fucking director, the radio silence, who who's been fucking paving the way for horror in the 2020s.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Exactly. So it's like seven doesn't compare. And if she she I think Melissa is all in the right to kind of diss on a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 22:29

I feel like make your production company win in silence. But like for you to come out and say all these things, when have you done anything for anybody else, Barrera? That's what I'm saying. Like you just have not. So have to wait and see when it comes to that. Right? I let us know what you guys think. Uh Melissa Barrera is coming at the throats of the Scream 7 cast. Will they return for a Scream 8? We'll have to wait and see. Uh, if the numbers are inflated, I guess Melissa Barera does get the last laugh. And you know, he who laughs first laughs last. I don't know if that's the same, but we're gonna move on after that one. Uh, Josh, we've talked about this. This is a big one. Um, and apparently it seems to be inching closer and closer and closer. I don't know if this is true, but we're gonna look at the facts to determine whether it is or it's not. Rumors are spreading that Disney is looking to remove the Star Wars sequel trilogy from its timeline in order to focus on the OG characters once again. Now, there's a little bit of uh there's a little bit of back and forth when it comes to this. Obviously, I'm we're gonna hear your little back and forth when it comes to you know Disney potentially uh removing the sequel trilogy. Uh, but let's just finish this here. A source close to Lucasfilms claims internal discussions are underway to branch off, quote unquote, branch off the Star Wars sequel trilogy to effectively remove it from the primary continue uh continue continuity and allow future storytelling to pivot back towards legacy characters for original films. So they want to pivot, they want to branch off. Um okay, I will hear your defense, Josh. Let's hear this side first. What do we think about Disney removing the Star Wars sequel trilogy from the timeline, potentially in order to focus on OG characters?

SPEAKER_01 24:23

It's not gonna happen, man. They're billion-dollar films. Why would they do that? Everything they've made so far has been addressing and fixing like Palpatine's return and stuff, and it's not gonna happen. That's it. The stor the story itself stacks against us.

SPEAKER_05 24:42

I think it started that way. And then by season three it stopped of The Mandalorian, and then we kind of pivoted to different things. I don't think we've addressed that whole palpiting thing ever again. And I mean, how many years are we gonna continue to do that? But after uh the season three of Mando, which I believe Mando was like the closest thing tied. I mean, you had the little bit of the bad badge kind of touch up on it a little bit too. But for the most part, it's been nothing there, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Uh I would say it's fixed. I would say they did they obviously not every project can address it, but I would say from what we got, it's pretty cut and dry how he got back.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 25:27

Uh I don't know. And I think Disney has this issue because uh they're kind of seeing the numbers when it comes to everything. Um we're gonna look at the evidence on how they could possibly do this and why they would possibly do this. First things first, stall uh May the 4th just passed Star Wars Day. Yay! I hope everybody had a good time. Um, and they revealed some crazy numbers for that, right? So on Star Wars Day, a good percentage, a good chunk of viewing happened from uh from Star Wars media for Star Wars Day. So I'm happy that a lot of people enjoy that and they actually fucking you know go for Star Wars Day. So good on you guys. Um but yeah, so apparently millennials ages 30 to 45 were really watching Andor on Star Wars Day, while Gen X, uh ages 46 to 61, were more into the Mandalorian. Um and Gen Alpha and Boomers apparently liked the Clone Wars, the animated series. Um that's basically every what everybody liked. Tales of the Underworld were also um on the list at number nine. Uh some of the films did make it. Uh, two of the most main films that people were watching was The Phantom Menace and uh A New Hope. Also, Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One. The only films that were not streamed on Star Wars Day were the sequel trilogy films. Those are the only ones that were not streamed on Star Wars Day. If they were, very minimal to the point where they couldn't even report it. Everybody watched Andor, people watched Rogue One, people loved the Phantom Menace. I'm pretty sure people were watching that because they wanted to, you know, catch up on Maul or something like that. Everybody was watching everything, even the Clone Wars. People were watching the Clone Wars, but nobody wanted to watch the sequel trilogy on Star Wars Day. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

I mean, they can watch whatever they want. People can watch whatever they want. You're right. Numbers don't lie.

SPEAKER_05 27:31

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the numbers don't lie. Nobody watched the sequel trilogy. Yes, people could watch whatever they want, but I'm telling you, nobody watched the sequel trilogy on Star Wars Day. Not even my film, bro, over here, right? I don't think you watched it on the show.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

I was watching Visions.

SPEAKER_05 27:49

But you didn't watch the sequels.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

No, because I was watching Visions. We had a plan.

SPEAKER_05 27:54

We did have a plan, but on Star Wars Day, on Star Wars Day, at the end of the night, you could have, you know, put on Rise of the Skywalker and really boosted these numbers. But you didn't. Nobody did. Not me. Not you. I watched Star Wars things on Star Wars Day. I watched the Clone Wars. I watched them all. And I all I watched I was watching Visions. And then we finished solo because we had started solo and we finished solo.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Right. I'm uh saying people have to watch them over and over.

SPEAKER_05 28:27

No.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

On Star Wars Day, you can watch whatever want whatever you want. I told you that it was a problem on the internet people shitting on the sequels more than showing love. When in general, it's about loving Star Wars as a whole.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

But what I'm telling you is that the internet's not just talking shit about it. Nobody watches the movies. That's what I'm telling you. If if it was just talking shit, this the Rise of Skywalker would have been number two on the Nielsen charts. Then I would have been like, okay, well, people are watching it. But I'm telling you, nobody's watching it. And if Disney has this rumor that they're gonna remove the Star Wars sequel trilogy, could the numbers be a reason why they're kind of supporting that? That hey, nobody's watching this sequel trilogy. People will go back to the prequels, people go back to the OGs, but nobody people will even go watch the shows, Mandalorian, all that stuff, but nobody's coming back to the sequel trilogy. Why?

SPEAKER_01 29:21

I don't know. I don't know why not. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

Because they're nobody liked Ray. Okay, nobody liked Ray. Nobody liked the buildup. Nobody liked any of that stuff. The ending was hot garbage. Somehow Palpatine Returned was dumb. They did it in Fortnite. Look, I could go on on a list. We're not here to bash Star Wars. We're just here to kind of talk about why they might be removing the sequel trilogy and possibly. Well they're not how could they be doing that? But I'm telling you a reason why is because of the numbers. Is there another reason why they would not that would numbers not even reflecting anybody showing a remote interest in the sequel trilogy?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

In this time, probably not. What do you call it? That's fine. Disney Plus numbers for a single day don't reflect overall. I don't understand like how yes, this one thing for the one day people weren't watching it. Who's to say they aren't watching it the day after? Who's to say they're not doing it this, this, and that? No, yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't agree. They got the money, they got billions from this from the last three movies. Billions. Everything they put out, every show you mentioned addresses the clone stuff, the the shit that they were doing to build Palpatine and his return. I don't know. I don't think so. I would think Disney pivoting this hard would be kind of stupid of them.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

Mm-hmm. And I understand your point where it's like, yeah, so they could watch it the next day, they could watch it this day. But the the point was is that if it's Star Wars Day and people are watching on Star Wars Day, and let's just say they couple that because people do like Revenge of the Fifth or Revenge of the Sixth or something like that, right? So people watch Star Wars Day for a couple of days. Uh they watch Star Wars movies for a couple of days. So I mean, that's what I'm saying. If Star Wars Day is such a huge thing, and everybody knows that May 4th is like a Star Wars celebration type deal, and people actively pop on a movie for that day because let's just say they don't watch Star Wars all year round, just on Star Wars Day, because they're like it's Star Wars Day, we gotta watch Star Wars. That's the day where everything's gonna hit the most. It's kind of like Christmas. When do you think Christmas movies are gonna play the most? Around Christmas time? That's basically the Star Wars is the first day, man. That's the point of that's the that's the gist that I'm trying to get to you. So, like, if what do you call it, if on Star Wars Day, people know it's coming up, it's gonna be Star Wars Day, we're gonna watch Star Wars. This is the most impact that they get on Star Wars product, and the numbers say, hey, we watch everything, and everything is cool up until the sequel trilogy. That's that gotta be a problem. That gotta be a problem. That gotta be an erasable offense, in my opinion. It's not. Not not when the franchise You can't keep treating this sequel trilogy like the red-headed stepcousin. You gotta set it free. Okay? You gotta set it free. You gotta un unleash it from its bonds and set it free.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

They're not gonna do that. They're elsewhere. No, they spend everything they had on these movies. They're not just up and leave them. All they can do is continue to make more and build upon what they put out.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

So is there any more like in your defense on why they wouldn't do it besides people could watch it on any other day but Star Wars Day?

SPEAKER_01 32:47

I literally, what do you mean? I'm telling you, they got the money already.

SPEAKER_05 32:52

Billion dollar franchise, okay. It it's made billions of dollars, every single one, basically, right? All three of them.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

Every show, Mando, Bad Batch, everything they've put out since then has mentioned this whole stuff. Why would they just backtrack all that? Who is that for then? They okay, fine. They remove the sequels, then they remove Bad Batch, they remove Mando, they remove all the things addressing this stuff, and then boom.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

No, because I mean they could keep the cloning stuff because the cloning can work on a ground floor level. They can make it seem like they were trying to attempt to bring them back. I don't know. I don't know how they would fix it.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

You still have to show how to do that. Battlefront 2 shows that also. I don't know. And this doesn't make sense. I think anyone advocating for this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Okay. Um, and so how could they do it? Possibly, is the question. Well, we were introduced to the world between worlds, right? That was one way that they could possibly change and remove it as well. Um, my thing is that if we're focusing on the original characters, I mean are we getting a recasting of the OG characters? Are we gonna see a recasted Han Solo? Are we gonna see a recasted Leia? Are we gonna see a recasted Luke? Um, to basically give us, let's say, a sequel trilogy worthy of the Star Wars timeline.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I don't think I know. I don't why would like, oh yes, let's redo everything and follow these characters, but now we can't even follow them because oh, people bash any new iteration or characterization of any character. That's the sensitivity part about the Star Wars fandom. You know, you get Star Wars geeks, like well, I mean, I haven't seen him in a minute, probably because he blocked me on the X or whatever, but that one YouTuber that goes around and cycles the same talking points when Star Wars comes out. The Star Wars theory? Star Wars Theory, yeah. When he's like, you'll get people like that when new stuff drops, or when new iterations drop, and they try to recast or the CGI Luke or whatever. People don't want to see young Luke anymore unless it's Mark Hamill. The only problem is Mark Hamill's old as shit. Rest in peace, uh Leia, but she's she's passed away.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

I think a lot of people are like, Paris afford is 90 years old. I think a lot of people are used to either the CGI CGI, a young one. Um we obviously have like Leia's daughter. Um uh actual like Leia's daughter, like real life. Like she was in the she was in Obi-Wan Kodobi at one point, right? So I mean she could she could most of that like they could do other things with like the CGI or they could bring back like you know a younger version of them, which you're right, people can hit and miss. I mean, people were hating on solo. I don't know if that was a backlash because of Rise of the Skywalker or what is it? Uh Last Jedi. But still, that was kind of like a we should have kind of gone down that path. I don't know how they could go back and be like, okay, well now the OG characters are just magically alive after everybody was traumatized. I mean, we gotta be honest, uh, a lot of people hated the fact that the OG characters basically bit the dust. But is in The Force Awakens when Han Solo lost to to Ben Solo. Like that was like my theater gasped. And then, like, and I didn't mind that one. I was like, okay, that's cool. But then the next movie, unfortunately, Leia wound up basically almost dying too. And I was like, oh shit, so we're just killing off the original cast, and that's what kind of like I'm pretty sure that's what kind of tipped tipped the scales for a lot of people. And then obviously by the time um by the end of The Last Jedi, there was no more Mark Hamel either. So it's like, well, damn. You know what I'm saying? So we basically ran through the OG characters before we even got to the the finale.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

The only one that was that made it was what, Chewbacca?

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Chewbacca? Lando?

SPEAKER_05 36:57

Lando? We just seen him come back for one movie.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

They live on as force ghosts and all that stuff, man. It's okay.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

Well, yeah, but that's what I'm saying, is that like that's where the point of contingency basically came in, right? Is like when Han Solo first bit the dust, and then when two main characters basically bit the dust in the same movie as well, it's like what do we do?

SPEAKER_01 37:24

It happens. Characters die. It happens. You can't just go back to to them. They've their time is past. There's it's not gonna they're not gonna be able to rehash that stuff again. And if it is, it's not gonna be with the same people that they that they keep trying to recycle. They're gonna have to pass it on and recast at some point. And imagine being that actor, and then they're like, oh, well, to avoid backlash, we're gonna see GI you're gonna be the stand-in, we're gonna see G.I. Mark Hamill's face on you. In which case, fuck that. They don't know that I'm doing it, fuck no.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

So that's kind of like the re uh ways of how they could possibly erase it, right? Now let's go to the business side. And I'm gonna we're gonna hit this business side real quick and then we'll probably move on from here. But Kathleen Kennedy's out. And who's the one that basically started this whole trilogy? Kathleen Kennedy. She was the one who started that, the Mandalorian, all that stuff. She's gone now. Dave Faloni is now in charge. Did he the question in my head remains did he agree with the plans that she had in motion back in 2016? To the point where and obviously where we got to now. I want to say no. Because Mandalorian is his baby, and that's the thing that basically did amazing. It did not start derailing until Kathleen Kennedy came in and was like, hey, we need you to put Baby Yoda back in and the Book of Oba Fett. So my thinking, stay with me, since Kathleen Kennedy is out, Dave Filone's in, he has every which way to basically fix the sequel trilogy if he wanted to. But if he opts to erase it from the timeline altogether and make what he deems would be have been the original trilogy to Lucas's Star Wars, would we be okay with that?

SPEAKER_01 39:27

I mean, uh no, because I still don't think that'll happen. I've got to be able to do that. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 39:32

It's not about thinking it will happen. I'm asking you a hypothetical. Because I mean Dave Faloney could more than likely be like, Well, I like Kathleen Kennedy's vision, and I love these movies, and I think we're gonna keep them and we're just gonna work around them until they get they get better, and that's basically what's gonna happen. Or he could be like, I totally did not like it. I was totally not in a position of power to to stop her at the moment, and now I'm in a position of power to fix it now.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Nah, man, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 40:00

I think at that point, would you say in Falone we trust, or would you be like, Well, Faloney is actively going against my wishes?

SPEAKER_01 40:09

I would say if he retcons anything like that, uh, it's actively going against the wishes because you retcon the small stuff, you know, stuff that happens in books don't play out the way it happens in movies or TV shows and all that stuff, and then you can always fix that kind of thing. To remove full-on storytelling devices that you can actually build upon and fix feels reckless, it feels dumb. I I couldn't see him doing that.

SPEAKER_05 40:40

I don't know. What if he wasn't a fan of Rey?

SPEAKER_01 40:46

If he's not a fan of Ray, it's too late. Build upon it. Build make her fix her how you want her, make her better. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 40:52

Oh, but that's what I'm saying, though, is like, what if he wasn't a fan of her? What if like what if he doesn't want to fix it? That's what I'm telling you. That's that that's the same choice he wants to. What I'm telling you is that Faloney has two options. Either he sticks to what Kathleen Kennedy did because that's where basically the road is, or he changes it because he deems that this is not the way that he wanted to do it. And like I said, at the moment he probably didn't have power to stop it, but now he does, and now he could fix it. Would you ride with Faloney if he fixes it in the way that he wants to? And if that means crossing out the sequel trilogy, would you be willing to ride with that?

SPEAKER_01 41:36

No. Okay. If he doesn't want to fix it, if he doesn't want to fix it, like I said, if he doesn't fix it, then he and he wants to keep playing the same toys, he wants to keep playing in the same sandbox, then he can. He's completely fine with that. I don't mind the Clone Wars. I imagine we're supposed to be past the Clone Wars at this point.

SPEAKER_05 41:58

Oh, okay. If he wants to keep that.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Right. But we have a whole lot of error and undiscovered galaxy in the back end. It's just people are now too scared to address it. And then no, give it to someone who will address it if that's the case. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_05 42:22

Well, that's what I'm uh in my head. What if it's something that can be addressed? Because this is gonna be my final nail on the business side here. We had a Ray Skywalker movie that's been announced since Kathleen Kennedy basically was still running Lucasfilm. Um, it's gonna come out. Uh Obey Chinoy, she was the director. She we talked about her, she did the document documentaries and whatnot. She was supposed to bring back Ray into Star Wars, and Daisy Ridley was coming out saying that we're gonna do this and blah blah blah blah. Kathleen's been out for about a month now. I've not heard of people. Not one people about that Daisy Ridley movie, not one people about any of the plans that Kathleen Kennedy had before. The only ones that basically made it through the shuffle, which obviously Mandalorian Grogu and Starfighter, those are the two that were ready in production, she was able to pump out. But that Ray Skywalker movie has been on ice since they basically talked about it. Apparently they had a script, they gave it away, they had different writers for it. Um, and here we are now with rumors that Disney's gonna just wipe it away altogether. Kind of tough.

SPEAKER_01 43:34

Yeah, I don't know what's up with that. I mean, yeah, they could they could they could totally not do the movie. But like I said, that again, that would just make them kind of scared a move. There's a lot more factors in it, you know. I mean, obviously, how are people gonna react to a new Star Wars film? I don't even think Mandarin Grug was gonna do too good. And then that'll just scare them again.

SPEAKER_05 44:03

Yeah. But and that has to be another thing where I'm like Kathleen Kennedy made a bad call. 'Cause you could have done the Mando and Grogu movie on the streaming service and did like a big movie for um the actual theaters and it would probably play different, but you know, that's that's gonna these I think that one's gonna be the last one from Kathleen Kennedy's area that's gonna basically flop and then we're gonna move forward from that. So it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. Basically, but uh I don't know. I guess at the end of this, uh because I gotta be on the side of what's right for Star Wars. I gotta say, removing the sequel trilogy might be the best play.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05 44:50

And I understand your side because I and that's why I wanted to have the back and forth before we get to this point. But the numbers don't lie, the people don't lie. Whereas like the sequel trilogy always had like a little bit of people, you know, come back to revisit it and be like, oh, this is a gym, and you know, people would go back and talk shit or whatever, blah blah blah. It seems like the sequel trilogy just doesn't have any of that fire in it at all. Um, there's no there's no coming back and being like, oh, this actually happened because of this, or you know, this changed this or whatever. I think something that the sequel trilogy did or the prequel trilogy had was that CGI was new, and you know, a lot of people are willing to dismiss that, even with some of the writing, and blah blah blah blah. People would say like the Disney Star Wars, like the writing was bad and everything like that, but people cannot seem to overlook that and even to the point where they just refuse to even want to talk about it. Um, the only time I see this kind of discourse is when they put in the last scene where Ray basically buries the the sword and then you know it's over. Nobody gives a shit about Kylo Wren anymore, which uh I thought he was gonna be like one of the powerful uh Sith lords by the end of this trilogy, and we're gonna see him probably do something crazy or whatever. Um like there was so much stuff that I think could have happened, but it's just been so quiet, it's been so silent. There's nothing that even remotely associates. I mean, you could say the Mandalorian stuff is fixing the sequel trilogy or whatever, but nobody actively says Ray Skywalker, nobody actively says, you know, um Palpatine or anything like that. Nobody actively says anything about the sequel trilogy. Hoe Dameron doesn't make it an appearance, um nothing. Nothing in the nothing, nothing in the sequel trilogy comes to light for anybody to be like, yeah, I want to see that. Or I want that to continue. And that's why I think the sequel trilogy just needs to go because I mean uh there's there's it's just dead space in the Star Wars universe, which kind of sucks.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Nah, man. You want what's best for Star Wars, but you're willing to retcon full-blown storytelling stuff that they could literally.

SPEAKER_05 47:01

I wouldn't even stop there. I would say Book of Boba Fett too. Retcon that one.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

I would also retcon retcon. But but the book of Boba Fett, I mean, it's I mean, I mean like it's bad, but that's the thing. Bad stuff doesn't get like second seek second seasons or anything like that. You got a full-blown trilogy right here that they could totally rewrite and redo for another film. I'm not saying they have to go back and do any of this, they don't have to rehash anything, they can pick up Ray kill recently, and then boom, protagonist, new protagonists, if they really wanted to.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

But you would get mad that they killed Diggsy really at that point.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

I wouldn't be mad, uh it's progression. It depending on how they kill her, what do you call it? She could go if she goes down like badass and fucking, you know, cool. But if she goes down like oh if she goes down off-screen, I I'm not having that. But if she if she goes down taking down like, I don't know, a Sith or two, fine.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Okay, let's say this. Let's say, let's say if you'd be satisfied with this, okay, and then we could possibly move on because I think we've kind of get the point of where we stand when it comes down to the sequel trilogy. If we get another trilogy that doesn't erase this sequel trilogy, okay, let's just say that right now. It doesn't erase it. But you don't see Ray Skywalker, she's hardly ever mentioned, and the most thing that you probably see is probably a statue of her saying that she defeated Kylo Wren and the, you know, the whatever uh what is it? Not the resistance, it's the uh the first order. The first order. That she destroyed the first order and now they live in harmony, and the most that you get is like a statue. But you never see her as a force ghost, they never really mention her again. Like they she they have to put her in there to address the sequel trilogy, and that's it.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

I can live with that. Yeah. It acknowledges it. It acknowledges her existence. Whoever makes that story at least understands that they gotta acknowledge it, acknowledges it, and then continues on. If the story isn't focusing completely on Ray, that's fine. Okay. Still gotta address what happened.

SPEAKER_05 49:13

So you're good with just alright, she's a memory, she's she lived on.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

Yes, the story does not actively involve her.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

Now it's like now would it be pissed off if on the thing they're like Palpatine's daughter got him? Like the like the story says that Palpatine's daughter, a Palpatine, Ray Palpatine herself, destroyed her father, and she became this warhart, and it says Ray Palpatine on the on the on the mural.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

And I mean that's a disservice. I would say that's a disservice right there.

SPEAKER_05 49:47

But would you still take it though?

SPEAKER_01 49:49

No, it's a disservice. If it just if it was to say it has to say Ray Skywalker, or it has to say Ray Jedi Master, something like that.

SPEAKER_05 49:58

Okay, so we could just cut off the whole last name and you'd be alright with this still. Okay, that that's a good middle ground to please all the fans, I think. That's a good middle ground, right? We just kind of ignore it, acknowledge it, Ray Master Skywalker, and then we we go about our day, right? Like and then we go on to the next trilogy.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 50:16

Alright, that's a that's a fair middle ground, and I respect that. I think we could probably meet in the middle there. But if they do erase it, I'm gonna laugh my ass off, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Let us know what you guys think though. Should the sequel trilogy be erased from the Star Wars timeline or should it have a chance to breathe? Should it stay alive and just a distant memory that, you know, kind of like that memory of the one time you guys were drinking and then you blacked out and don't know what you did with that one Mexican dude for three dollars in a burrito. That's crazy. Anyways, we're moving on at that point. Uh, let us know what you guys think. Um, Josh, Planet of the Apes is coming back again. Apparently, we're getting a new Planet of the Apes from director Matt Shackman himself, the director of the Fantastic Four. Sounds exciting, sounds amazing, but here's a catch. Apparently, this film will not be associated to uh Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Uh, apparently, a new script was going to be read, and this thing is blocked by a paywall. I can't get through it. Um Let me get to a different one. Um it's apparently officially happening, um, but except it could not may not be a continuation of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes story. Uh it's gonna be an original story. What does that mean? Does that mean that we're rehashing the Planet of the Apes idea? Are we gonna go back to you know, um, the best way to put it is the James Franco time, right? Where like the Caesar comes up, or if not Caesar, a different monkey or whatever, or are we already gonna be years away from what possibly happened in Kingdom and go on from there? I don't know. Josh, what did we think about a potential new Kingdom of the or at least Planet of the Apes movie happening with director Matt Shackman of all people, possibly not continuing the story though?

SPEAKER_01 52:14

Listen, I like Matt Shackman, okay? I like Fantastic Four. I think it looks great, I think it's a great movie. I'm more concerned that this movie isn't gonna be tied to Kingdom or anything like that. I I kind of enjoyed the last one. I made the last one my whole personality for like a month. It was so good. I really enjoyed it. Uh so the fact that it could not be a sequel sucks. But I do trust my checkbit, so. Will they have my money? I don't know. I it just depends on how he does it. If it's already established, sure. Because then, you know, you get more free range, I guess, to tell more of the story. From an extended point of view. With a time. Unless they do that whole like, oh, humans crash land on the planet and the monkeys run it over, and they're now they gotta coexist with these new humans and that stuff, and just rehash the old ones, you know? I mean, they could do that, but that sounds kind of whack. I mean, no one would remember that kind of thing, you know, so maybe that's the way they go. If they we go the route with like rediscovering Caesar and all that stuff, uh you got a great trilogy, or sorry, you got a great saga at that point. With Matt Reeves, by the way. Yeah, with Matt Reeves attached, who arguably gave you the best two films. You know what I mean? So yeah, no, at that point, if you're rehashing, don't do it. If you're finding a way to make it interesting and move things forward in a different timeline, I guess that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 53:52

Yeah, I mean, we could go further into it, like to the point of the original Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, where it's like it's all apes driving cars and shit like that. They're basically living humanity's life, and then the indigenous is people, and they think they're on a different planet, but then it turns out they're on Earth just over overcome by gorillas and monkeys and whatnot. Like that would be cool. Uh, one thing that I do think, unfortunately, when it comes down to this franchise, is that Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes was not the strongest, especially coming off the heels of what we got with the trilogy um at the ending. And I and I I forgave it because I'm like, okay, this is the start of something new, right? Like, this is the build-up. Um, by the end of the movie, I was really interested on what was gonna happen next. Cause I I want to say the beginning of the movie, I was like, okay, we're kind of building up the story again, we're getting into these characters, whatever, blah blah blah. And then towards the end, that is when the ball really got rolling, and I was like, holy shit, I can't wait to see what that uh I think it was a disc and everything, and you know, trying to find civilization and whatnot. Like, I wanted to see where that was gonna go. So it's unfortunately uh it's unfortunate that we're not gonna get a direct sequel to that. Oh, hopefully down the road we might. Probably not. Um, but I have to say that this probably was the weakest one, unfortunately. And if they are gonna go a different direction because of a build-up movie. I don't know. I don't know. I I feel like if we're gonna get a trilogy, we have to we have to like really sit down and figure out where it's gonna go because I I do think that was probably one of the bad things that happened with the original trilogy with obviously Caesar, the first one with Planet of the Apes, and then um what was the second one called? I forgot. Um, but when Matt Reeves came in, he basically revamped the franchise, I believe. Like the first one was a completely different movie compared to what the second movie was, and then the third one was like the finale of what the second movie basically set up. So that was an amazing like plan ahead to basically get you to where you needed to be. And if this was gonna be like the James Franco movie, then we needed a director that was gonna sit down and really plan ahead and give us those last two continuations, you know what I mean? Yeah. If Matt Chapman Shaq Man can do it, and it's not a full-on like reboot, like down the down the line or you know, rehashing Caesar again, I'm totally down, but I just don't want to have to restart from square one of like the monkeys taking over again, and you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 56:32

Exactly, yeah, because then I I could just I can watch that. I can watch that anywhere from the beginning with the recent, it's too soon. Yeah, exactly. It's too recent, and like I hope it's it still looks as good. I think the CGI in the fourth one was phenomenal and so polished. But what a wonderful day exactly if it's not anywhere on that level, you've you've already lost the game, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

Yeah, I I the orangutan in the river was like one of the things that a lot of people were like, oh my god, like it looks fucking good, and it did look really, really fucking good. So hopefully we can get more movies uh when it comes down to this franchise. This this franchise is just groundbreaking, especially like uh it's basically doing what like Star Wars did back in the day, or like what vampire vampire avatar was doing um with like the CGI, but like you just need a director that can see the vision, in my opinion, right? Like you just don't get Avatar because you know you put Justin Lynn there or something. No, you have to put like a visionary who can actually do the images, right? Like there's only a few directors I think that could do it. So hopefully Matt Shack Shackman could deliver us something amazing. But let us know what you guys think. We are getting a new Planet of the Apes movie, uh potentially a continuation, potentially not. Matt Shackman is directing. Let us know if you guys are excited for that. Josh, we're getting a Hocus Pocus 3. That's all I gotta say about it. Uh Hocus Pocus 2 came out um about I believe in 2021. Um it was supposed to help launch uh the new Disney Plus uh basically it basically supposed to draw in numbers, right? It was supposed to draw in numbers. We uh got a few gimmicks when it came down to like the streaming service uh coming back or coming up around that time. Hocus Pocus 2 was one of them. It was direct to streaming. Everybody, I believe a lot of people loved it. I watched it, it was okay. I I was like, oh, you know, you're bringing back witches that look old. That's just not you know my cup of tea. But apparently we're coming back bigger, stronger, and harder than ever because Hocus Pocus 3 is getting a theatrical release. It's not just gonna be on streaming, we're actually gonna be able to see this one on the big screen. Josh, are you excited for Hocus Pocus 3?

SPEAKER_01 58:59

No, I didn't even see the second one. I I totally forgot the second one existed up until this point. Um cool? I mean, good for whoever wants this.

SPEAKER_05 59:12

You don't want a Hocus Pocus 3?

SPEAKER_01 59:16

No, I I think the first one's a classic. Why would we need two two more? Well, again, one that most people probably don't even know exists because it's on Disney Plus, and the third one. Most people probably didn't even know the second one existed.

SPEAKER_04 59:30

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 59:32

So I mean, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think I'm too excited for this.

SPEAKER_05 59:36

I knew it existed. I watched it.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

Okay, one out of every ten people?

SPEAKER_05 59:44

Hey.

SPEAKER_01 59:44

Maybe.

SPEAKER_05 59:46

That's Sarah Jessica Parker you're talking about, alright? And Kathy Nizumi and but Bet Midler, okay?

SPEAKER_01 59:55

You did not know that at the top of your head. No, yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_05 59:58

I just totally did not look to my right a little bit to see the screen or nothing. I don't know. That's crazy. I didn't do that. Okay, I'm uh I'm not gonna lie. I knew who Sarah Jessica Parker is, but not the other two. I can tell you which one she is, she's the blow one.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Oh, okay. But yeah, man, I don't know. I mean, I uh uh unfortunately I don't have a lot to say about this one. I really don't know what to expect because I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:21

I would have thought CJ would have put you on a long time ago. That's why.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

I'm I know the first one. I don't know the second one.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:29

I would have thought she would have been like, let's watch Hocus Pocus 2 or something. I got I got some questions for her. We're gonna have to talk to her after this. But yeah, so Hocus Pocus 3 is happening, and I I do think that, you know, the tagline Lock Up Your Children is probably not a good tagline.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

It's a crazy ass tagline.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:48

Yeah, yeah, for a 2020, possibly 2027 film. Uh this is where, you know, I gotta ask the question, and it's not you know, I am excited for something like this, I gotta say. I've I gotta I'm not as excited because they're not young and they're obviously older, and we're gonna have to deal with all that. But we did get a new CEO. It's no longer Bob Iger. It's that Josh D Josh something, right? Um and these are the movies that he's pumping out with. We're we're we've already talked about possibly Toy Story six and seven. We've talked about uh Tangle getting live action, we're getting a live action marijuana at one point. I think that was still under Bob Iger's rule. Now we're getting Hocus Pocus 3 in the theaters and not on streaming, which I would have thought this is probably a streaming movie. I don't know if this is gonna actually make money in the theaters. Um I don't know. This new CEO is kind of pumping out movies in an awkward direction, in my opinion. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:55

Yeah, I mean, no sequels, no I mean, where Iger's thing was no sequels and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:00

But he still put out massive sequels.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:02

Massive sequels. Um but this guy seems to just be wanting classics returned. Yeah, running a company is crazy. Because you could totally switch up on what the last guy said and just be like, oh, or no, that direction doesn't work. And it's like we've turned the boat two different times already.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:20

Well, yeah, because the CEO gotta figure out which way is gonna make us more money. And if that CEO at the time that's sitting there says, hey, the last CEO didn't know how to make us no money because he's a dumbass and goes a different direction, then it's like you know, you could either get really good results like Bob Iger or you could get really bad results like Chape Pick. So it's just about turning the boat in. I mean uh the boat turning towards Hocus Pocus three? Are we serious? Kind of I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:53

I don't know. I don't know what he's smoking.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:55

I'm just saying Hocus Pocus 3, potentially Disney removing the Star Wars trilogy. Are we we are we back?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:06

I feel like we might be back.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

I feel like the last time we had a Hocus Pocus movie, we had the Mandalorian right next to it. I feel like we might be back.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:18

Nah, I don't I don't even know if that's accurate. You're just making shit up.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:34

2022. That's when the Mandalorian dropped, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:37

Mandalorian came out like 2020.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:44

2019. That came out around season two. We gotta arguably say season two is probably the best season of the Mandalorian. We might be back. We might be back.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

I don't know. I I I really I don't think so. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:04

Yes, yes, for those listening, yes, my correlation is that Hocus Pocus 2 came out when Mandalorian season two came out, and that obviously correlates to magic.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

I I just think he's smoking one. Anyway.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:19

I I don't know. I gotta feel like it kind of works out, but let us know what you guys think if you're excited for a Hocus Pocus 3. Do you see the vision on us being back or not? Let us know what you guys think. Let us know what you guys think. We gotta let us know what you guys think. Moving on, Josh. DC is also apparently running around with their head cut off. I don't know. Uh, we are getting possibly uh Greg Motola Death Stroke and Bane movie, uh, directed by like I said by Greg Motola. Um who is Greg Motola? Well, he did direct a couple episodes of Peacemaker for James Gunn already. Uh potentially is writing the script for this, but yeah, there's still no script for this as well. So the DCU might be getting a Death Stroke and Bane movie, potentially but you know, there's always the meta of the merger and what possibly could happen to James Gunn and what could possibly happen in the future. So take that into consideration. Josh, what do you think about a Death Stroke and Bane movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

I think when this was I don't know why you sound like Edmund mode right there, but I think the concept of this movie is so dumb. I think there's like another fucking like this is they're really trying their best to go down the Sony villain pipeline. This is crazy. How are we gonna get a deathstroke and a Bane movie with no Batman? I have no doubt a Deathstroke in live action would could be great. I have no doubt. I have no doubt a Bane movie could be great. Fucking, you know, as long as he's actually juicing and we see him, you know, grow into a titan that he's supposed to be. You know, shit like that. Alright, well, do I feel like we're gonna get that? Probably not. Probably not. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:09

Probably not.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

What are they gonna do? What are they gonna make Deathstroke the good guy? Come on now. Come on now. Don't make me side with the pedophile. Come on now.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:15

What if the what if um what if they're both just trying to you know team up to stop Batman?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

Nah, that's why. They don't even know who Batman is yet, which is kind of ridiculous to be this far in.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

There's a guy dressed like a bat beating people up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

Who the fuck are you talking about, man?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:40

Um yeah, this one kind of threw me for a curveball, but like I said, this was you know, the first thing that popped in my head was remember when Walter Hermada was leaving and you know the Wonder Twins were kind of coming up and you know all these other movies that were kind of being thrown at the wall but not completely sticking. I kind of feel like this is another one. This is another one. Could this possibly have been in the roster? Possibly. Maybe, yeah. Like yeah, Destro can reign movie, yes, and you know, now we're finally figuring it out, but that doesn't I in my opinion, it doesn't mean it's gonna happen. It's just more like this seems like a movie that was probably discussed, maybe it could be done and put into fruition, but kinda like the authority, I don't see where this can honestly fit in the Superman song.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:31

Yeah, no. I don't know either. I don't know what the fuck they're smoking with.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:35

Um but like I said, it's just more of a a placeholder in my opinion. I I I don't think that this is gonna actually happen. I know a lot of people kind of ran with it and took it. I was like, oh yeah, we're getting a Destroy and Main movie. No. Possibly a placeholder, maybe could have been the Batman movie, and they're just trying to figure out which is gonna be the villain for that film. Um but either which way, I just I don't see a Destroy and Bain movie happening just just because they're like, hey, we're gonna make it happen. I mean, if Clayface does good, do we see it possibly happening?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:09

Maybe I can see something like that happening, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:12

But that's assuming.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:14

Just the bands, just the pains. Gambling on clay gambling on a clayface movie? Sounds ridiculous. I can't. I never would have put my chips in that. I'd put my chips in a Batman movie, I'd put my chips in a Wonder Woman movie, I would do anything that I said prior and to put my chips in that bitch. I would not be gambling on a movie like this. I don't know what you're just gonna do.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:44

I think this like I said, there's probably something for like later on the road if it would have happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:50

I don't know. I don't know what I can do.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

Unfortunate. I don't see it happening. But if it does happen, that'd be cool. Um what kind of story they can produce out of this? I don't I'm not 100% sure. I have no idea. Let us know what you guys think though. Potential Death Stroke can be moving. This is uh this is an interesting one. I don't know where don't know where you can go, don't know where you can take it. Death Stroke's not a bad man in the trailer. Let us know what you guys think though. Uh moving on, Josh, we got trailers. Evil Dead, we got uh the final trailer for the Odyssey, and we got the minion trailer. Uh all of them full-length trailers now that we've already gave it some time. We can actually give our full opinions. Now I've been hearing a lot of stuff on the Odyssey trailer, so I'm kinda putting that one in the middle. Um I got Elliot Page is apparently gonna be in this one too, and a lot of people are hating that fact, apparently. So uh Evil Dead Burn is gonna go up first. We saw a teaser for it. Didn't really get a full hint for it. This is the red brand trailer. Hopefully we get a little bit more than what we got in the teaser because I was not thoroughly impressed, but then again it is a teaser, so we'll have to wait and see. But Josh, are you expecting something new out of this one?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:03

Yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping it's it's better than the teaser.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:09

I'm hoping we can see a little bit more. I feel like the teaser gets a lit kind of weird. So let's just jump into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:12

We found you.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:16

William, my sweet boy. I would give anything for us to be together again.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:46

Better trailer. I like this one. This one kind of draws me in a little bit more. I don't know. Josh, what are you thinking?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:54

I liked it. I like it.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:55

Camera work was crazy. I really liked the camera work.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:57

That was fucking that that one got me. I'm not gonna lie. It has me. I got it. We we got it.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:03

We're gonna get locked in. This one, okay. Now the last one I could I was like, oh my god. Like, when are we gonna get back to that 2013 one? This one might be doing it. This one might be doing it for me. I don't know. I don't know. Are we are we are you ready, Josh, for potentially another evil dead that will make you just wince at the screen every single time?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:30

Like that's that's the evil dead I was looking for with the last one, and I didn't get that one. Uh 2013's like I I wanna always praise it, but that one's the one that really got me to like you know what I mean? And last or not last year's, but 2023's, it was it was okay, it did what it needed to do, but it just it wasn't hitting that mark. I feel like this one might be hitting that mark.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:52

I'm crying. Yeah, no, I I agree. That should look good. That should look good.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:56

We need that today. We need that today. Holy shit, that shit looked pretty insane. I can't wait. Let us know what you guys think. Check out the Evil Dead Burn trailer out right now. Apparently we're gonna also get another one in 2027 or 2028 or something like that, so that's pretty cool. Uh I think that one's gonna be called uh afterlife or something like that. We'll we'll have to wait for the other time, obviously, but we'll get around to that one. Moving on, the Odyssey trailer, Josh. Like I said, this one's the one that kind of ruffled up a few feathers. Um a lot of people are like, you know, Elliot Page might be in this thing, uh blah blah blah. I'm not 100% sure. I know a lot of people are doing comparisons because Troy is kind of like another movie that emulates what the Odyssey is trying to do. And Brad Pitt was in that one, and he basically played the character that Elliot Page is supposed to be playing in this one. So a lot of people are having some weird some weird issues with that one, but let's check out the trailer and see if it's still worth the watch, I guess.

unknown 1:15:00

Tell me what you remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:06

A wife? A son.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:34

Wait for a master. I want you to choose me. No, it's not here to find all these series in his house. I'm gonna go to the coming back.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:22

Oh that's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:25

I mean, I thought, cause Elliot Page was like the main topic on Twitter, I thought she was gonna be in it for more than one second of the fucking trailer. You guys need to really need a uh like get a grip. Get a grip. You can't even tell if she's good or not off. One line, my man. One line, and she like he is I couldn't believe that. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

I thought we're gonna see It's because in Tro in Troy, uh what is Troy about?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:53

Troy is about the Trojan horse of the Trojan horse.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the prequel to the Odyssey, basically his trip home and how they gotta get inside and stuff. So yeah, he's he's supposed to be playing like a warrior and stuff, but you don't you're not getting that. That's not the story they're telling. The Troyes That's yeah, that's after the war. Technically, he might he might be dead. He could be a ghost, for all we know, haunting uh Odysseus. Yeah, that means the story that they're trying to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:22

And either which way, if we are, I mean, we don't don't like I said, we don't even see the action or anything. It's just a line. Saying that you know where your family is.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:31

That was it. Exactly. You get a fucking quarter of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:34

People are so that that that was the quickest jump on I've ever seen, and I I was like monitoring this because I was like, okay, if this is actually crazy, like that she's not delivering lines like she's supposed to, or he's not delivering lines like you're supposed to, whatever, blah blah blah. Fine. It was a line, it was two seconds in the trailer, and I didn't know it was like one, and then it moved on. I don't understand why people get mad about that. The trailer looks good, though. I'm for it.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:05

I mean the trailer looks good. The movie looks good. It's just I'm afraid of what they're st of what they're telling and what they're doing. Because I I didn't see any gods in the I didn't see even Zedea, who's supposed to be like Athena, and that's kind of like he's she's kind of like on his shoulder for well that's why this is the movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:30

I mean the gods are there, but they're not supposed to be prominent in this story. Like if you're supposed to be like Clash of the Titans where like Zeus comes down and shit like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:40

Well, no, I mean no, I mean he's kind of the one that is he not the one that also takes away his fan his like some of his men Poseidon. No, is that not Zeus?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:55

From what I know from the Odyssey, Zeus doesn't get involved in this story.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

No?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:01

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:05

I don't know. Every iteration is different, I guess. But I don't know. I like the way the movie is. I'm just gonna have to assume it's its own interpretation, and people are just gonna have to learn that this is gonna be for film and it's not gonna translate to the book or books and the iterations that that we have. This is gonna be another retelling.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:26

Obviously, I feel like Christopher Nolan's gonna try to get as close as possible. But exactly that. I mean, it's gonna get as close, but it's not gonna be one for one. And I mean, yeah, we saw what happened with Troy, but this is a different cast, this is a different character. I mean I mean, will the battle even play out the same as Troy? Probably not. It's probably gonna be different, so well um for people to make that comparison for a movie that's was made back in 2004 and this movie's coming out in 2026. I don't know. I I the only thing I can say is Twitter needs to calm down and the Odyssey trailer looks great in my opinion. I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it. Check out the trailers out right now. Moving on, last trailer of the day, the minions. Minions and monsters. Uh, we're gonna watch this one because we saw the first trailer and it didn't give us a lot. And I'm excited for minions movies. I'm I have kids, and kids love minions, so I'm gonna watch this for my kids, but little for me too. For my kids for me too. Okay, okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:30

In Hollywood, the new stars of the silver screen team to the face of the motion picture industry for member The Minions are back with a touch of mystery.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:39

I'm very org and all of our minds of the thing. Just call me a movie for sure. I know the perfect monster for your movie. Let's go.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:14

Mm. Yeah, that was weird. I don't know what it was throwing me off a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:20

I was watching the trailer, but I feel like the music was thoroughly throwing me off for this trailer. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:27

Right, right, right. That was fucking weird. That was the first time I've ever had that happen.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:34

And then Bad Bunny again? And I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:38

It was fucking Aberc Abercadebra and fucking Yeah, no, that was crazy. I don't know what that was. Pretty cool though. I can't be mad. That was pretty cool stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:48

I ain't gonna cap. It looked good, it looked kinda funny, but I was a little confused by the music. I was I was a little distracted.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:54

But I mean very, very confusing, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:57

You're like, yeah, and you shouldn't be listening to the trailer music. Yes, you should. I think that like obviously sets the tone, and you're gonna baffle me like that with Bad Bunny and Martial Eminem.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:09

You're gonna have serious stuff going on on screen and then fucking baby shark on the back? No.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:17

It's like so the mixer, the music mixer was like, no, no, no, do this one. No no no do this one. And it was like, this is the trailer we got. Um I'm down for it. Uh another solid trailer. I think that we should totally watch this one. I don't know if you're gonna watch it in theaters, but this one will be probably a theater movie for me and the voice.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:36

I mean, I'll probably catch it off the colour.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:39

I think you said you haven't like caught up on the minions movies, right? I think it's time. I think it's time. Minions rise of crews after the minions movies. Yeah, we'll I'll give you the list. We'll we'll probably have to do something like that. Give me the minions watch list. Yeah, so we could so we could probably we'll have to rank the minions movies, we're gonna have to do it. Now that there's actually like six of them now. I could be like six minions movies, we're gonna have to do it. Let us know what you guys think though. Check out the trailer minions and monsters out on YouTube right now. Uh let us know what you guys think of the trailer. With that being said, though, that's gonna be our last topic for this episode. Any topics we should be talking about, movies. If you want us to review TV shows, you want to hear your voice on one of these episodes, Josh, let them know where they can do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:24

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SPEAKER_05 1:26:48

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.