Ep 508 The Boys S5 Season Finale Review

In this episode the FilmBros discuss if the Boys season 5 is a hit or miss, it's fucken diabolical! 

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh.

SPEAKER_03 0:03

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_06 0:03

And welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. Alright, Josh. So today we are going to finally get to our final series review of Go ahead, Josh.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

The Boys. Season five.

SPEAKER_07 1:17

We hit the wheel fire while it's still working fucking season.

SPEAKER_06 1:22

The boy season five, but ultimately this is going to be the series review. We do have a couple of uh uh seasons out right now. We have season three, season four. I don't believe we have seasons one and two. Um so we are gonna talk about a little bit of those seasons in this episode as well, because like I said, this is the series finale. We are done with this show um from 2019 to 2026. This is the end of it. We do have other spin-off shows like you know, Vot Rising, Gen V. Gen V was unceremoniously cancelled, but you can go still watch it because it apparently plays into a part of you know season five as a whole. Wink wink. Um for the most part though, Josh season five has been a roller coaster online. Uh there's been talks about obviously comparisons to the real world, Homelander going from season three to season four and five and becoming basically a parody of himself for some people. Um, you know, a lot of people are making the the whole back and forth of you know Homelander being our president and blah blah blah blah. It's it's got in it's gotten pretty deep and pretty deep since uh season four, no pun intended with the deep and you know the boys and all that stuff. Um, but yeah, Josh, this this season five has been polarizing online, let's let's just be honest. And I know for you has not been the favorite, your most favorite season this season, right? Um and I just telling by the tomato meter, it shows that very much. So season five has started off with a certified fresh on the tomato meter with the critics, but a 52% with the spilled popcorn meter for you know that's uh that's interesting, right? Um, do we do we agree? Do we disagree?

SPEAKER_03 3:13

I mean, I dude, how we got to 92%, I'll never understand because I like it's I've said before, I've told you, I think narratives narratively speaking this is a mess. How could any critic look at this and think this is good? Um I'm with the popcorn meter. I think I'm part of the I'm part of the 50 that thinks this shit just fucking sucked.

SPEAKER_06 3:32

You're you're part of the spilled popcorn side, yeah. Um I'm a little bit on that side too, but um I was really hoping for the season to be good. I was really hoping I was hoping for the series to end on a high note. Um, and you know, for some people it might end like, you know, Game of Thrones, Stranger Things. Uh for some people it might end like Lost and you know, heroes and stuff like that with a perfect ending and blah blah blah blah blah. And you know, this popcorn meter basically tells us that split people on both sides of the aisle are either very happy or very upset. And I think I know which side you're on, Josh. I think I believe I know. I believe I know. Eric Kripke is the writer of this series, he's the the producer, he's the creator. Okay, he's basically all hands on deck. Um, and we've kind of talked about him in the past, uh, you know, obviously, you know, his his constant need. No, may I say want to opt to put a bunch of nasty shit in his show versus actual good writing and or actual good, you know, storytelling. At least with for these past two uh seasons, seasons four and seasons five, because I gotta be honest, we kind of doubled down. Season five kind of cut back a little bit, but we gotta be honest. After season three, season four, he kind of let loose a little bit more and kind of got us to where we um where we wound up with season five. Um Carl Urban's back as Billy Butcher, Jack Waite as Huey, Anthony Starr as Homelander, Aaron Moriarty as Starlight. Um apparently they tried to get Queen Mae back, but you know Apparently rumors from behind the scenes said that Anthony Starr was not so nice to Dominique Elligott, and she just refused to want to come back altogether. Uh, but I'm according to Eric Kripke that there was no friction, no issues, and she just did not want to come back for season five. So that's the official answer. JSCT Usher as A Train is back, Laz Alonzo as Mother's Milk is back, Chance Crawford as a deep, Tomorrow Capone as Frenchie, Karen Fukuhara as um uh Kamiko, and so on and so forth. Everybody comes back, Ashley's back um for a few episodes as well. We get uh we get us a little cameo here and there. We get a you know Seth Rogan a little bit, you know, spoilers, spoilers up ahead, obviously. Um there is gonna be spoilers, Josh. We're gonna start breaking down these episodes. Uh we're gonna talk about season five. Obviously, like I said, we'll talk about seasons one and two a little bit because I do think that they play a huge role, especially um some people like to bring up the characterization of Homelander and the way, like I said, uh he kind of turned into a parody um it between seasons four and now with seasons five. And I I wonder if that still sticks. So we'll probably talk about that as well, Josh. Uh, you walking into season five though, like I said, I know that you were kind of checked out by season four. Um, me and you both had an idea for like season three. Um, I know that you were kind of like iffy about my idea, but you kind of thought that the series was gonna go somewhere else. Season four kind of let you down. How were you at least walking into season five?

SPEAKER_03 6:57

I was feeling a little lackluster walking in. Or I mean, I was going in with no expectations, kind of hoping like it would kind of lift us off the slump that put me on season four, but watching it at the moment, being like, huh, okay, maybe maybe we can survive, versus hindsight being like we've gone fucking nowhere, and Eric Kripke's a fucking menace for leading us astray like this, but that's kind of how I felt.

SPEAKER_06 7:30

Okay. Yeah, season four for me was kind of I like the ending. There were some a few parts that I I enjoyed. I did not like the online chatter with the whole parody thing, so it kind of hurt me to see um Eric Kripke kind of lean into it even more with season five. Um I will say that this, you know, walking into it, I was kind of optimistic because I was like, okay, this is a final season and they have to kill him. Now, if they would have pulled, like, you know, a day falone with Ahsoka and just could not let him go, I would have probably been pissed off about it. Um, but you know, for the most part, I don't want to say I was satisfied, but I think we we can all kind of assume where we're gonna go with this, right? Um, but yeah, Josh, so spoilers up ahead, we're gonna go down episode by episode, we'll probably break it, um, break them down and do all that good stuff, and then by the end of it, we'll see where this where this series, where Eric Kripki is gonna go next, and you know, all that good stuff. Josh, season five, episode one, fifteen inches of sheer dynamite.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

Left off where season four ended us. All the boys are in internment camps, Starlight, uh, enemies of Homelander, basically, is what they call it. Um, the they're trying to find a way to escape. Homelander on his front gets hit with the Flight 37 video, which immediately their biggest weapon against him and held against him for two whole seasons. They decided, you know what, we're just gonna wipe this like clean. It's AI, no big deal. Right, right. They're making shit up. Um the boys end up escaping the imprisonment by the end of the sh um episode. We get a certain death that I think should have happened later in the show, and uh leads us to episode two.

SPEAKER_06 9:27

Okay. Um, strong start, episode one for you, or uh, kind of.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

I think we got some nice stuff, but also kind of dumb stuff, in my opinion. I mean, I know we're gonna get a lot more dumb stuff. I think immediately using uh the AI excuse for the flight 37 video, and immediately just kind of getting it out of the way after they've been holding that against his head since season two, or no, season one, I think, because they find out immediately and they're like, We'll release it, you know what I mean? And he's just like, Oh fuck, I can't have my image changed. Like, I think that would that be whole narrative being thrown out the window as quick as it was, kind of tells you where they were going story-wise.

SPEAKER_06 10:15

Um, yeah. Uh for for me, episodes one, two, possibly three, were bait and switches. So, I mean, episode one, I kind of enjoyed it. I like where we kind of left off with the fourth season, uh, where they were gonna be captured, you know. Like I said, it is one of those things where, you know, how many times are we gonna start at the bottom because we got so badly beaten from the past season and get back up to where we're gonna get Homelander and possibly get him, possibly not get him. Who knows? Cliffhanger, right? Um, but I will say this was a strong start for the season. I enjoyed it, uh, even though I did feel like it was switched out later on. Um, like I said, episodes one and two, possibly three. Uh, but at least with episode one, I did like the way Homelander came in. He didn't feel like he was too over the top. He still felt like he was kind of down to earth with this one. Um you obviously get the the the bare minimum that you're supposed to be getting with the boys episode. I appreciated what they at least attempted to do with this one. Uh unfortunately that they kind of pulled the rug from under me, but that's okay. I guess. No, it's not. No, it's not. No. Uh, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I would call it being switched. I mean, maybe with no expectations and the late season four left me. I was kind of like, you know what, I'll just take whatever I can get and see maybe if they can raise the bar. But no, I feel like we're we were already at a lazy kind of start. Well, I think Eric Kripke's pen is kind of was kind of running out of ink at this point already. And we still it's only episode one.

SPEAKER_06 11:50

So no, he was for sure. He's probably saving a lot of the the good ideas for possibly VOT Rising. Uh, because let's just be honest, like I said, bait and switch for sure. We were getting bait and switch since the beginning with these posters, butcher in front of VOT, VOD being destroyed, Homelander seeing the aftermath of what I'm assuming is his scorched earth and all that stuff. And no, we didn't get that. So I should have probably expected it with episode one, but at the same time, I was kind of having high hopes that we're gonna pull out all the stops, there's no more holding back, like how you know season three for the most part felt like we were getting to that point where you know Soldier Boy would have taken that mantle and kind of ran with it for another three um seasons, and it was kind of you know, it was kind of copped out quite easily. And so I was really hoping by you know by this one that we're gonna get to that point of like actually correcting that wrong with with season three, but you know, like I said, bait and switch from the very beginning from the from the posters to episodes one and two, I just didn't see it yet. But I will say it was a solid start for the wool over my eyes. Am I right? Uh episode two though, teenage kicks.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Where on the boys' side, this one takes place with them trying to come up with another plan to stop Homeland. They they go to Teenage Kicks with just another team of heroes um listening to Homelander's rule, where they basically decide to test the virus out on an indestructible hero, who they find kind of really impossible to kill. But the plan is to kill him with the virus. They know that it works, they can just spray in the Homelander's face, bada bing, bada boom, forget about it. On the Homelander side, he needs Soldier Boy's help. He decides to tell him, hey bro, go handle the boys, and then we'll talk about your freedom, get you get you uh what what do you call it, pardoned for your crimes and shit like that.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

Get him a seat at the seven.

SPEAKER_03 14:00

Yeah, no problem. They go. We find out the virus does work, but apparently, if not if you have V1 in your system, which is just another obstacle the boys gotta account for account for.

SPEAKER_06 14:14

Yeah, which the V1 is supposed to be like the original serum. It's like supposed to be like the best one that apparently nobody could ever recreate. Not even the smartest woman in the room, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 14:26

Um this one for sure. I thought, like I said, making the corrections, we're we're fixing it. Soldier Boy's back. I really enjoyed them. Justin Accles as you know Soldier Boy. I I was hoping that this was gonna happen so we can correct it. And obviously in the trailers and stuff, they were kind of teasing and letting you know, like, hey, it is gonna happen. Um ultimately using him as a crash test dummy and you know, the the way we kind of see him flip-flop throughout the season, like I said, it started off strong with episode two, but then it kind of quickly deteriorated into nothing as you know the episodes went on. Um and it's just unfortunate. It's just unfortunate. But I did, I will say episodes one and two did have me seated with the wool over my eyes, thinking that this was gonna be a crazy climactic season.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

But I think episode two kind of saved it for me a little bit. I kind of enjoyed what they were doing. I like the return of Soldier Boy, I think that's the thing. I think I know that this guy is gonna be what brings people back for Vault Rising and maybe the boys Mexico. Like, I think I told you that it would have been so cool if he got to just be side by side with Diego Luna, because I think that would that I think these two could be very good dynamic-wise, but other plans for this guy, apparently. But you know, and like that's it just sucks because clearly he's a fan favorite, and he they're gonna milk him until we're tired of him.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

Basically. Basically, I mean you should have known that when they started putting like uh like literally, I think it was season two when they were putting him like in Huey's like PTSDs and stuff like that, and I was like, um I understand, but at the same time, Huey don't know him that long. But I understand that they were really trying to lay, you know, obviously lace him up to really make him a main drive, and that's why by season three I thought that it was gonna get you know become something. It wasn't season two, it was season three, but um, I thought it was gonna become something. Uh but yeah, I I will say that this one was quite a decent one, and I liked how the cliffhanger basically left us with okay, Homelander can be immortal, and that's okay. Ultimately, he doesn't do shit with it, but that's okay. That's okay. I'm gonna keep saying that because I want to make myself feel better, and that's okay. Uh season five, episode three, every one of you sons of bitches.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

With an attempt from the boys to go find V1, because they now know that it's a immunity, an obstacle. They want to try and save their heroes, Kimiko and uh Starlight. Give them an antidote and an attempt to just wipe all the other soups away. They want to protect their friends, right? Or their family, their loved ones, whatever. That's an ongoing problem, a little side problem for them that I mean I kind of figured would have been done already, or would have been figured out, but you know, it we it continues on, it starts here, continues on until like episode eight or nine. Uh no, wait, seven, sorry. But the boys decide to go see Stan Edgar. They're getting followed by the Deep and Um No War, and on the on the other side, home uh Homelander and Soldier Boy are at odds because he understands I don't have to fucking do anything for you. You sent me in to die, basically. Why would I help you? And then he then this is the part where they go flip it.

SPEAKER_06 18:20

Firecracker.

SPEAKER_03 18:21

Uh is that this episode or is that later on?

SPEAKER_06 18:24

No, it's this one.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Is it? Okay, well, they try to figure that shit out, and by the end of it, Ryan shows up because of Butcher who's looking who was looking for him. He gets his ass whooped and then he fucks out for the rest of the season.

SPEAKER_06 18:41

Not the rest of the season, because he comes back.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Dude, he comes back in episode nine. Sorry. Episode eight, I keep saying episode nine. He shows up in episode eight, and that's it. After that, he he's he's not around anymore. Soldier Boy? No, uh Ryan.

SPEAKER_06 18:58

Oh, Ryan, right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So basically, yeah, Ryan. I thought you were talking about Soldier Boy. Yes, so Ryan does kind of fuck off for a little bit. But I do enjoy this episode. Like I said, this one was kind of like my one foot in the door, one foot out. Episode four kind of cemented that like my feet need to start getting more out. But episode three, I did kind of like the whole Stat Edgar thing. Um, the whole translucent sun thing was kind of played out already. I understand that it came from Gen V and you know, bringing him over was kind of like a nod or something like that. I get that. But I was still kind of like eh. It wasn't it wasn't really hard-hitting. I think this is where, you know, I think the pen started kind of slipping. Um I did like Stan Edgar and obviously Mother's Milk's conversation with like, oh, you know, the money always wins and all that stuff. That was pretty cool. Um, I did like the whole, you know, Butcher trying to get Ryan to go up against Homelander, even though he knows that he's gonna get him killed, and Ryan knows that he's gonna get him killed, he still wants to try to do what he can and blah blah blah blah. Um you know, ultimately going to push Homelander on his own to get questions and answers. And you know, that's what basically got him sidelined. Uh I did like I did enjoy this one for the most part. Um I didn't like how you know that we're basically this was one of the things that basically started showing the sign of holy shit, we're going downhill, was when the deep was over here knocking out no war to basically get the goods back to Homelander first. And for me, that was kind of like that's as dumb. They were just fine last season. What made them implode this season? Just because the deep wants a little bit more recognition. I thought him being on the team was just like recognition enough. I don't know. I just felt like that was kind of like planted there for no reason, and then the fact that we had other soups that were kind of sprinkled in kind of to to kind of make you feel like, oh, they're gonna be something, but ultimately they were just meant there to just be put in the meat grinder was cheap.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

Right. I mean, I don't know, because I still feel like it wasn't this doesn't make this whole thing was slipping beforehand. Like the virus B1 coming out of fucking nowhere. How does your first iteration come out more perfect than the rest of your iterations? How's that happen? That's not how that works. You the first is kind of rough, and then you perfect it. You're you're telling me they fucking aced it first try.

SPEAKER_06 21:35

Yeah, and they were like, Oh, this is too good. We can't do this shit again. It's like, what yeah, what the fuck? Will you guys current continue to create more soups down the line? Why wouldn't you guys continue to use that same formula?

SPEAKER_03 21:48

I like Gene Carlos. I think anytime he shows up on my screen, I'm just gonna love everything that he does. Um got that aura. Yeah, yeah, we get him. Here we get him a little bit in episode four and then we don't see him again, which fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_06 22:06

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Uh but other than that, I think this episode was kind of okay. I fucking I can't stand the deep, bro. And I I don't know if it's like ironic that people were like, oh, he shouldn't he shouldn't have his his character shouldn't have gone out the way he did, and this, this, and that, but I think not only should it have been more gruesome, I mean I know there's a lady down the line, but I was about to say this I just can't stand him. I just can't stand him. I just can't stand him. I I think he should have bit the dust sooner.

SPEAKER_06 22:37

Well, yeah, and I'm pretty sure that's his character, but I'm just like, you can't you can't make him so unlikable, and the most touchable person is untouchable. You know what I mean? Like he's like translucent, he went out in the first season, um, and he was basically the most insufferable besides the deep. And when the deep was kind of going through season by season, going from you know, nobody loves him to now he's getting some love back and blah blah blah. I kind of like the ups and downs, but I was hoping he was gonna get like a very unceremonious ending, and that's basically what he got.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

I don't know, man. I don't know. Uh from that point on, I was uh I was just like, you know what? Sure, man. If we're just doing shit, Eric Ripkey, you might as well just keep going because I'm gonna sit here.

SPEAKER_06 23:32

It was really dumb. Like there was a lot of like dumb things the way that it was.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

We'll get there, and we'll get there. I we'll get there. I prematurely jumped the gun. I hate his character, it's how much I hate his fucking character. Like I know Yeah, okay. Episode four.

SPEAKER_06 23:47

Episode four, King of Hell. Real it reel it in, reel it in, King of Hell.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

King of Hell. The boys found out where they find some compound V. Supposedly. Supposedly, they get put sent toward one of the very first test uh test places. Um, Homelander Soldier Boy also end up that way.

SPEAKER_06 24:11

Because Soldier Boy decided to help him all of a sudden.

SPEAKER_03 24:14

Yeah, because Soldier Boy decided to flip his shit again and help him. Um they get there because of the testing and of the V1 and all that stuff. Uh, there's something corrupting all of them within the woods. It happens to everybody. Uh not only does Soldier Boy here decide to betray Homelander a little bit, but the moment he does, he immediately is like, damn, kill me if you're gonna kill me. If not, let's get the fuck out of here. The boys find out there's no V1. Uh, the only one that could possibly have it is um uh what's his name? Bomb Bomb something. What's his name?

SPEAKER_06 25:01

Bombsight.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Bombsight, and back at by HQ, they are trying to sell Homelander is Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 25:10

Yes. Yes. Um, this is the one where I was like, okay, now you guys have kind of lost me a little bit. Um this is the back door to the soldier boy spin-off, right? Like this is the bot rising spin-off, right? Um his introduction with the guy on the wall. We're supposed to see him um in bot rising eventually, and then we're supposed to see uh bombsite also in bot rising as well, so that was kind of like a name drop for characters that we're gonna see in that show. Um I hated the whole oh this place makes me angry, and then Kamiko being the superpowered being could not pull open a metal fucking door to kill Huey. You're telling me Huey was able to outrun Kamiko? You're telling me Huey was able to outfight Mother's Milk?

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Dude.

SPEAKER_06 26:08

Nobody died in that room, and that shit pissed me off. And it was kind of like if everybody kills themselves and if you have a superpower being that can easily do it, why wouldn't that have happened? One of them should have gone.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

One of them should have should have probably been Frenchie. Maybe we didn't know.

SPEAKER_06 26:30

Oh, we didn't talk about this in the last episode too, but uh real quick, because this kind of was like the reason why they had to go get this whole V1 thing in the first place, because they couldn't re they couldn't finish recreating more of that virus or the serum or anything like that, because all of a sudden they decide to just let the guy who's making it leave. Like I understand Butcher had him hidden. I understand Butcher had him hidden and people didn't really like know the full story and everything like that. But either which way, if we're ropes on the line, we're over here trying to get to where we need to go, this is the last stop. Why did we just let him go like that?

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Oh yeah, with his daughter, this friend. Dude, fuck, like, this is how bad it was. I forgot because they forgot. You know what I mean? Like, they spent I guess I guess if we're gonna hit if we're gonna talk about it. The virus, okay? They spent all of a spin-off talking about this shit.

SPEAKER_06 27:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

And then not to work at the end of the day, yes, and then they spent all of season four talking about this shit.

SPEAKER_06 27:50

For it not to work at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

How how do you how? How do you spend money like that? How do you spend arcs like that? How do you spend time and money and characters on a single thing you're gonna throw away in an instant? What the fuck? How does that happen? How does that happen? The virus was supposed to be a key part, but once they decided, ah shit, let's just get V1 and we'll fucking we'll we'll be able to fight Omlander any time of the day he pleases. No, dude, no, I'm sorry, no. You don't get a pass. This is where Eric Kripke's pen is also running out of anger because they immediately just said, Man, fuck a virus. We can just get more good shit.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

But yeah, and it led us to King of Hell, which, like I said, it was just kind of for me, it was I believe this one was kind of like the worst episode, in my opinion, of this.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

It gets a pass for me because I thought this this episode was funny. I thought this I thought this episode was funny. I I fucking when he's like, look at what you did to MM. He goes, What the fuck are you doing to me? He goes, You went along with everything he did, you fucking pussy. And you just get fucking um Frenchy confused, you get uh uh butcher being like, fucking do it, do it, hit him, you know what I mean? Like, I thought this episode was hilarious. What I don't like about it, the cons very much outweigh the positives, but like the con, I think Homelander should have stayed in that little box a little longer. Like maybe an episode longer, not get in there in the beginning, get out at the end. I think he should have radiated for a little longer. That would have fueled his anger a lot more.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

Yeah. I don't know. This one was kind of just dull for me. I didn't really see the point of it besides setting up the whole bot rising stuff. Um later on down the road, I'm gonna probably come back to this episode because I feel like this episode should have been um this episode should have done something that it opted out of for some reason and decided to do it later on down the road, which is confusing as hell. Um but that's okay. This one I had to say though probably the worst one for me. Uh episode five, one shots.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

This one follows.

SPEAKER_06 30:19

I gotta be honest, this is where the show kind of derails too, by the way. For me.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

I think we've been on a derails since that episode.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

One shots.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

But anyway, one shots. It follows this whole thing follows the narrative point point of views of Sage, uh, the one chick, um, what's her name? The redhead.

SPEAKER_06 30:47

Firecracker.

SPEAKER_03 30:48

Firecracker, butcher's dog, fucking ridiculous, POVs. Yeah, you get their POVs. That's why narratively it's following them. And on the flip side, oh, and Soldier Boy, something like that. So that's how we end up with the scene, and you know, the supernatural characters show up. We get that's the Seth Rogan scene. Which I told you before, I think if he they weren't in hot water, James Franco definitely would have been there. But besides the point, uh we get they're trying to find bombsite, the boys are trying to find bombsite because the virus isn't working. Um I'm not gonna touch on terror, terror's little thing because he's a dog. All we saw was the people arguing the boys arguing through his point of view. Shit was weird. And he was humping her Yeah. But Firecracker is torn apart because she's she's a she's a devout Christian, some shit like that, but she's trying to sell Homelander as the fucking Jesus um the war. They show Noir's problems with the deep very clearly. Um Sage also has a plan running through uh running for herself after it's all said and done because she knows Homeland is crazy. By the end of it, Firecracker bites the dust.

SPEAKER_06 32:22

Yeah, this one was kind of like a throwaway for me. I didn't really care for it. Um yeah, that's basically it. Firecracker biting the dust for no reason. Um besides I don't know, doing everything that Homelander says was kind of whack. So I was kinda like, I was kind of like, whatever, that's fine. Uh after episode four, episode five was kind of like eh. I want to say I was kind of like that through episode six. I think five and six were kind of both of them were kind of meh for me. Four, five and six. But five for sure, I was just more like, okay, we're really getting into this whole God thing, and it's getting ridiculous. I know that this is around the time where you know Kripke was coming out and being like, oh my god, everything's just basically happening, how real life is because you know, he gets a gold statue, he gets all this stuff, or whatever, blah blah. You start saying he's God, and I believe that's this was the first week where um Trump basically put out a picture of him healing somebody as the Lord, and he was like, Oh, look, it's like I didn't know I was that spot on, and blah blah blah. And that is where it really got weird for me, too, because I was just like, Wow, this is like you really are kind of just admitting that you are actually making Homelander like what the people are saying online is what you basically admitted to, and he didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

We knew that there was a thing, dude, and the fact that this is what I was trying to say the other day. Imagine the show we would have had if he wasn't trying to do this whole satire Trump shit. You know what I mean? Like if he wasn't trying to be as politically um sat satirical as he is, this show would have been ten times better. We know Homelander has a god complex already. You don't gotta shove it in our face again for another arc. We know this should have been his thing after season three.

SPEAKER_06 34:21

That's the that's the whole thing. In seasons one and two, we knew that that's what he wanted. We knew that he wanted monuments of him. We knew that the that we knew that that's what he wants. That's what that's what drives him. He wants the love of the people. That's why he never wanted to be outed. But then in season four, you kind of just threw that all out the window and was like, okay, we're gonna just not give a fuck anymore.

SPEAKER_03 34:42

Yeah, you're telling me he he okay, so he sh he lasers dude in the face, you know, in public, in front of everybody. They love him for it, and then all of a sudden, he's just like, oh man, this is boring. And then he has to get a fucking uh a message or whatever from a higher power just to be like, oh I'm God sent. Like what dude, he should have had this mindset at the end of season three. Season four.

SPEAKER_06 35:11

That's the thing, he's been having that mindset. He didn't need a vision to tell him that.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

That's what I'm saying. But the fact that they reiterated that with a vision makes no sense.

SPEAKER_06 35:22

It makes sense when you like how you said when you put together that Eric Kripke was just trying to like um how do you call it? Trying to parody because that whole coming to light moment and being like, oh, I'm a god or whatever after a near-death experience. Where have we seen that before? Happened on a stage when somebody got shot in the ear. Am I right? So it's kind of like we understand, but why are you doing this so aggressively in a superhero show that is not meant to be political? So it's kind of weird. It's kind of it's it's really weird, and it gets even weirder as the as the season goes on because there's a lot more parallels. But episode six, through the heaven falls.

SPEAKER_03 36:06

Uh, though the heaven falls, though the heaven falls. So subtle correction. Um uh human starlight are test to go plant of the virus in a church in the democratic church of Homelander. Uh, they get stopped by O Father, which I'm still not sure how his powers work because was it his powers that unlock Superboy uh Superboy Homelander's vision? I don't know. I don't I don't understand. The team the rest of the team decides to go for say uh someone called um Golden Gisha, which was an old uh wo an a female that I guess bombsite was infatuated with at one point. Uh he gave her a dose of it, they go to go ask her. More dick jokes. Eventually uh bombsight shows up, Homelander's there. Oh, I think Sage is also on the run at this point.

SPEAKER_06 37:06

Um yeah, she's basically setting up and no, I think that's episode seven. Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, because she made something episode seven.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Yeah, yeah, because she's the one that leaks to to Soldier Boy that the the video of Homelander getting pleasured by uh mutilated um Stormfront. Stormfront, right? Um so she's gone. She already she's gonna be able to get it.

SPEAKER_06 37:32

Was this also the one where Starlight goes home? Sees her dad?

SPEAKER_03 37:38

No.

SPEAKER_06 37:40

That was episode one.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

No, I think now is it?

SPEAKER_06 37:44

Yeah, because she was. No, wait, yeah, four.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Yeah, yeah, no, she takes off, yeah. That was four.

SPEAKER_06 37:48

That was episode four, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

See? See, I do side characters, just they just do shit.

SPEAKER_06 37:55

They're just doing stuff, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 37:56

Yeah, like we're just doing shit. But home, she didn't even go back to see her mom.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

She went to go see her dad that we didn't know about for seasons, but that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 38:04

Right, right. So, bombsite shows up, Soldier Boy does his thing, take um takes away his V1, takes away his powers, and with V1 in hand, says, I'm gonna give it to him, to Homelander anyway, despite the whole season being like, fuck you, you don't deserve this. But because he thinks it's what Clara would have wanted, Stormfront, he gives it to her. He gives it to him, sorry. He takes it, boom, wrap on episode six.

SPEAKER_06 38:41

Yeah, that's basically it. It was a lead up to basically give him all that stuff. They had her steal the the lady and all that stuff. This one was okay. I didn't mind this episode, but either which way it's one of those things where we just went through multiple episodes. Where's Ryan? Where's you know why why is it that they're you know a second ago, Butcher was able to hold his own against bombsite and do all this stuff or whatever, even though he was still kind of getting rocked, and then Homelander just leaves and is able to take the V1 with no pressure, with no nothing. They were even able to have a heart to heart while they were looking through the bushes. So it's kind of like, what the fuck is that about?

SPEAKER_03 39:31

I don't know, man. I but like I said, I think they're just doing shit at this point, dude. I fucking I was just like, you know what, sure, man, sure. But you know what?

SPEAKER_06 39:41

At the end, and this is where you know we got that trailer where you know he lasers the sky and we're gonna get a badass homelander, we're gonna get scorched earth, and we're gonna dude, it's about to get crazy right now because he just took that V1 that is supposed to up his power level to a maximum a million, am I right? Episode seven? The French man, the female, and the man called Mother's Milk.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Uh, this is the climax for certain characters, unfortunately. Um with the Winovian with no virus, Frenchie has to resort to other experiments. They're experimenting on Kamiko, uh, doing another handful of stuff, maybe also recreating that box. No, no, no, the radiation box.

SPEAKER_06 40:30

I just want to make it clear too, before you keep going. They off-screen decided that they are going to dump Kamiko full of radiation to do the same thing as Soldier Boy. Off screen, they did this. Huey had to run into the room to say, What are you guys doing to her? We didn't even plan this out for a whole episode. We didn't even plan shit out at all whatsoever. We just off screen they did it, came up with this brilliant idea, and just went at it. Kind of tell it kind of shows me that Kirkkey's pen kind of ran out probably around episode four or something or five.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

My my my man. His pen ran out. Episode one. None of this has a benefit that's I say three.

SPEAKER_06 41:16

I say three.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

No, dude, cope, cope, call it cope.

SPEAKER_06 41:19

I feel like I feel like he was right in with the first episode, the second one, the ink started kind of fading towards the end of the page, and then by the episode three, he was just making shit up. He was like, damn, I'm gonna do this motherfucker.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

Dude, he said, fuck a virus. He said, fuck me one, we're out of options. Let's nuke Kamiko. And I was just like, we're just doing shit. We're just fucking, we're we're just doing shit. We're like the boys. He doesn't know what he's doing. If this getting beat by Homelander himself, a long time ago.

SPEAKER_06 41:46

Why didn't we just do that a long time ago?

SPEAKER_03 41:48

Right, right. Why couldn't you fry her shit up? You knew she was immune to everything. Nuke her bitch ass. See what she see what makes her tank.

SPEAKER_06 41:55

But I thought she didn't have the original V1 in her. So how the fuck was she able to tank all that?

SPEAKER_03 42:00

It's just what her power is. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 42:02

I mean, I understand the whole healing thing and that she could heal or whatever, but the my thing is is that regardless, the only reason why Soldier Boy was able to tank that much radiation was because of the V1 that was inside of his body. So even with what do you call it, even with the rock guy, it even showed too like if if he's in his powers, it's not gonna work. That they had to get into his into the skin in order to do something about it or whatever, right? So they're not invincible. Same thing with translucent, his his skin was diamond, but you can get in there and still kill him. They're not invincible. The thing is, is that you just gotta kill him in creative ways. Kamiko could have died, she could have easily died in different ways. It's just they wrote that she couldn't. Why? Because she has Wolverine powers? Okay. Okay. This is not the Marvel comics. I thought we're in the boys universe where soups can actually die and shit.

SPEAKER_03 43:09

No, bro. No. Remember, they already had two deaths on their side. They gotta they gotta make it real.

SPEAKER_06 43:17

You wanna know when all the stretch it out when all this thinking came in when they started dubbing the whole boys universe the VCU? Uh, they really thought that they were the MCU, so or Kripke thought. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 43:31

How do you fucking another thing? How do you fucking parody these uh studios that are doing too many spin-ups, whatever, and you got two spin-ups coming out, my boy? Get fucked, Eric Kripke. I'm sorry, your pen sucks. He might be a little fruity. I don't know. That's the that's that's kind of where I'm at with that's a crazy jab.

SPEAKER_06 43:51

That's a crazy jab. Um, but yeah, so um by episode seven, obviously, we we get to mu uh them tanking her and All that stuff with the nuke or whatever, like how you were saying. Um I gotta say, this is also the one where they sideline Soldier Boy for no reason because he was able to get strangled from behind.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Right.

SPEAKER_06 44:20

A war veteran, mind you. A war veteran who who saw combat before he took the V1. Okay? He took the V1, saw more combat, lived for years, but he was able to get choked out. Why, because Homelander had V1 in his body.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

I don't know, man. I don't know. I this whole episode was just them doing shit. They're like, hey, we gotta wrap it up. I didn't know I threw in too many obstacles for the boys here. Homelander's beating my ass. Like I don't know what the fuck happened to Eric Kripke's pen, but my god, somewhere along the way he turned into a crayon. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 45:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:08

So Homelander chokes out Soldier Boy because Soldier Boy wants no part of this little rebranding. This isn't gonna be some walk in the park playing catch type shit. So he puts him back on ice. And that's the big voding spin-off. You did your part, soldier boy. We're done with you. You can't just fuck off in the sunset, which I think would have been a better thing, because at least then if he fucks off into the sunset, he can see what happened to Soldier uh Homelander and be like, well, I mean, at least I wasn't there, and then we see him go to present and pass reliving his fit shit and learning to cope with trying to hide me in a suit the super bad.

SPEAKER_06 45:55

Too many good ideas, too many good ideas that he could not think of. So I'm doing it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 45:58

But uh because Eric Kripke don't think about the shit, he just does it. How can how can I make a good show? Hmm at a dick joke. I'm telling you, he's a little fruity. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 46:09

Yeah, man. Especially when, like, I don't know. When you gotta fight somebody who his powers are grow his nutsack.

SPEAKER_03 46:21

This motherfucker a genius. How Stanley did it, how he gave a man Spider-Man powers and just called him Spider-Man? This guy was just like, let me think about this nuts. We got fucking elongated.

SPEAKER_06 46:38

Got a guy who could grow his nuts out. It's like what else can we fucking do, am I right?

SPEAKER_03 46:43

Um people that can shrink and go into people's thing. Like Eric Kripke, my man.

SPEAKER_06 46:49

So episode seven basically and sets up what's supposed to be the final episode um of the whole series, and that's episode eight, blood and bone, and this is supposed to be the big climactic event, the big, you know, the big show. The big show. The the the moment where Homelander some some solidifies himself as God and president and all this stuff and whatever, blah blah one nation, what blah blah blah. We got this neat poster out of it, right? To kind of tease the finale, and the reason why we got this poster was because the comic book has this poster, right? Butcher coming up with this crowbar, Homelander's there, the White House is crumbled, and we got a bunch of soups hanging out around there. Now, do you think that's what we got in episode eight, though? No. Because we got baited and switched like a motherfucker. That shit was crazy. So this is the final episode, right? We're we get we get here after five long years. Home land is at the top.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

He has become Land is at the top. He has been. He has been won. He's ready to be addressed. He's ready to be addressed as God by O Father. He finally renounces the thief, who he sees as pathetic and all that stuff. Uh mercy kill him. I would have preferred some shit like that versus what happened to him. The boys spent this is an hour-long episode. So they spend the first 30 minutes, 15 minutes, breaking into the White House. Easiest shit they could have done.

SPEAKER_06 48:32

They didn't even show you walking on the lawn, they didn't even show them breaking in. There was probably like two secret agents.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

They just roll up. They just roll up, they get inside, Ashley saves them from uh being like destroyed by soup, whistle, whatever the fuck. Um they break off immediately. Starlight goes to fight the deep, which was a long time coming for them, apparently. Uh they and then Huey has to deal, Huey and Mother Smoke have to deal with O Father, and Butcher and Kamiko go straight for Homelander. The way O Father goes out, I was kind of like, was Ashley Loki gonna murder him herself?

SPEAKER_06 49:19

No, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 49:21

And then eventually Right, right, right, right, but follow me because the we see it set up in another episode that he screams it off with his powers.

SPEAKER_06 49:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:34

So would he would therefore would he have blown up mid-session?

SPEAKER_06 49:42

You're thinking too much into it. Kripke didn't think that far into it.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

I think I mean I that that's where my brain went. I was like, Ashley was probably gonna low key find a way to murder this man if he couldn't turn him.

SPEAKER_06 49:55

Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 49:55

But they just they just threw that away. They didn't even bother like being like confirm or deny that. Um the deep gets his tentacle right up his hoop shoot and through his mouth. I think he should have got eaten by sharks a little bit beforehand.

SPEAKER_06 50:13

See, here's my thing about that whole deep situation, okay? And it we it kind of plays out for this episode, and that's why I was waiting. Uh, because you know, Starlight finally gets her her final moment and blah blah blah blah blah. Look, that whole deep thing can't go back into the ocean shit was dumb. I didn't like it. Um, I understand there this is where I'm like that whole Noir Deep thing where it's like, oh, I'm gonna do something to you, I'm gonna do something to you, and then in episode seven, he just easily gets completely choked out by the deep, was ridiculous. And I I I hate like it was funny, Samuel L. Jackson has a shark telling him you can't come back into the water motherfucker, whatever, blah blah blah. But like it didn't for me, it didn't make any s it just didn't make any sense. Like, I understand like he's not Aquaman, and all he could possibly do is talk to fish, he's not the ruler of the seas, like he's not anything like that. Like, more than likely, all he can really do is just talk to fucking fish. And for them to be like, well no, and then Starlight to unknowingly, like she does no idea that any of this stuff is happening, pushes him on the beach and watches him go like that, and it's just like what the fuck just happened? Like, I was confused, I'm pretty sure Starlight was confused, everybody was confused. It was a the most confusing shit I've witnessed on this show.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

That's right.

SPEAKER_06 51:39

I mean, I and I and I've seen some guy grow big inside of a man's peehole.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Right. Well, and it's such an off setting, too, because you know as soon as they hit the beach, you're like, she's gonna throw him in the water. Yeah, and in which case it doesn't even fucking matter, dude. Like, why could you couldn't snap his neck, you couldn't fucking like do anything else, you couldn't find a way to beat him.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

No, but that's my thing though. You take him towards the water where you know that's where his powers are.

SPEAKER_04 52:08

Right.

SPEAKER_06 52:09

And you throw him into the water knowing that that's where his powers are. And yeah, like I said, it's confusing to her because it's like they turned on him, but it's still like she didn't know that.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

No, no, she was just gonna throw him in the water and then boom, it's that's it. He stays there, he stays down. No, he's probably gonna come back. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's why find a way to disrupt it.

SPEAKER_06 52:30

That's what I would assume. That's why I would keep him away from the water.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

I would have fried him. I would have been like, fuck taking him anywhere near water where you can do it. I'm frying his bitch ass with electricity. That's exactly what I would have thought.

SPEAKER_06 52:41

That's what I honestly thought that she was gonna throw him in the water and fry him, and then the fish were gonna basically bring him down and eat him and all that shit, but she didn't fry him in the water, he just kind of he got popcorn.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

He had done him by his own by his own creatures, dude.

SPEAKER_06 52:56

Um, so it you know, we're we can go on about the side stuff and everything, and I I do want to go on uh about it a little bit after the fact because I want to talk about the parodies and all that stuff that you know a lot of people were picking out and kind of talking about as well. But I want to talk about before we get into that, the big thing, right? We already talked about how easily they got in there. Um last episode I told you how off-screen they basically started this whole experimentation of Kamiko uh without even letting the audience know we just kind of were thrown into there with Huey. And in this one, you know, like the same thing, we're thrown into there, we get past everything, blah blah blah blah, and then we get to Homelander. Okay? And this is the part where, you know, I gotta admit, though the season was kind of ass to me, I was like, this is the moment. Scorched earth, motherfucker. We're about to see the White House crumble, we're about to see soups come in and get their heads cut off and shit's gonna go crazy. Butcher's gonna fly out the window, you know, the White House is gonna, you know, get lasered just how like Cyclops did in you know, X-Men Origins. You're just gonna see lasers coming out or something. Like fucking crazy monumental shit that I thought was gonna, especially off the poster that we got with this right here. Like I said, soups in the background. We're gonna get some crazy hard-hitting shit. Josh, I need you to do me a favor really quick. Ask me if we got that.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

No, dude. Wait, wait, I knew we were gonna get it. I'm sorry that your expectations were so high.

SPEAKER_05 54:33

Scorched Earth turned into scorched room. Oh my god. It was scorched earth. Yeah, right. Where?

SPEAKER_06 54:45

My man, they did more destruction. Hold on. They did more destruction in season three with Homelander, Soldier Boy, and Huey fighting him in that hero gasm room. Even A Train got a little lick on the outside when he ran Homeboy all the way down the street. Like, we got more action in season fucking three than the final episode of an entire series.

SPEAKER_05 55:13

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Dude, I'm sorry that Eric Kripke got your expectations so high. I knew it wasn't gonna happen. You think they had the budget? No, dude, no.

SPEAKER_05 55:25

Motherfucker could fly away for his life. He couldn't even leave in a second. Like literally, the last episode, we just literally, not even a few minutes ago, we literally just seen him fly to space in seconds and come back down. And they just disregarded everything.

SPEAKER_03 55:44

Oh yeah, man, they didn't have the they had to stop him. They they they kept stopping him, bro. I don't know what to tell you, man.

SPEAKER_06 55:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:51

Um, I like Kamiko's little scene.

SPEAKER_06 55:56

I liked it too, but kind of like what I told you on the phone when when I had like finished it, like, if they were gonna do that, to be honest, what they did in episode seven, where like he sacrificed himself and all Frenchie sacrificed himself and everything, that should have probably happened in episode four. And honestly, Kamiko in that whole heat of rage should have probably killed him. And she should have probably grappled, like, oh, should I even be alive? Should the virus even kill me because I killed him. That's what I'm saying, but like make her feel like not worthy of surviving and all that stuff, even though she's been feeling like that, like he brought her back, and that would have made the whole scene in episode eight hit a lot harder. But like, we literally got it the last episode. We literally I mean, unless you waited the whole week, I didn't. I kind of watched them back to back. I waited minutes, and by the next episode, I was like, okay, it is what it is. Like, it's I mean, it was sad, yeah. It was a good gesture. But if we wanted that to hit harder, that should have probably happened a little bit sooner in the season and not so late.

SPEAKER_03 57:05

You know, I told you I think his death was very much uh forced. Forced on the nose, the safest one to murder. Uh I think if we're gonna flip him, A-Train should have probably been in the final battle, or he should have been the one that stopped Homelander in episode seven. Uh, and then Frenchie, if he had to go, he should have been one of the first ones. And like he should have been like episode one type shit.

SPEAKER_06 57:32

And I would have liked if Mother's Milk not died, but maybe got hurt and was in critical condition, and we didn't know if he was gonna make it kind of thing. And that could have been like motivation for like Butcher to kind of go all out, kind of thing, because it's you know, it's a scene.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

Yeah, and it's even like that's uh that's what I was telling you. Like, if all three of them or if all three of them managed to die and Huey was the one that would live, and it was like we have to be better about approaching this stuff and whatever, I would have preferred that. But Mother's No taking in Ryan, even though Ryan I I think if he had superpowers and stuff, probably would have been dope, but he didn't even get to keep his b abilities either. Like, I don't know. Something about something about the ending was kind of just whacked. I did like Butcher getting in getting his lick in on Homelander. I know that must have been so satisfying, but I wish it would have happened in episode. This should have been season four. I got I was on CJ. Do one, two, three, skip to five, and then you you wrap your story up. That's it.

SPEAKER_06 58:39

Basically. Uh or it should have one, two, three. Should have been one, two, three. Um, two, three. Um, but we're gonna talk about the most controversial part right here, okay? Um obviously, like I said, at the end of the day, I think a lot of people wanted Homelander to die. Can we agree?

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Right.

SPEAKER_06 58:58

So can we say that we were satisfied on that front? Yes. That at least he bit the dust, right? Right. Now, the controversial part is what happened in between that. Okay. Um he a lot of people say he regressed and in those final moments when you know he was saying things like, I'll suck your D, I'll eat your shit on live TV, like all that stuff. Some people didn't like that direction after he became powerless and he just became sniveling and all that stuff. Did you like that decision, or was that something that you wish that he would have probably stood 10 toes and I I know I heard somebody say that what they wanted was for him to be so disgusted that he was in a human form that he would have rather died?

SPEAKER_03 59:46

I don't know about that. Um like that's the thing. Yeah, this the his powers made him feel powerful. So I can understand both sides. I don't agree that about the feeling nasty part. Do I think he should have groveled? Yes. But man, not in the way that he did. I think saying I think this that's just another Eric Kripke thing where he's like, I'll suck your dick and I'll eat your shit. Like things like saying like that versus being like, no, please, you know what I mean? Like, I think there would have been an alternative way to write that. I just I you take away the powers, he's clearly he only was doing shit because no one can step to him. And anyone who did step to him uh immediately got fucking lasered. Nobody else would was doing that except Stan Edgar.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:36

I think I think I agree with you. If they would have stopped him at like obviously not sucking the D and all that stuff, I think if they would have stopped him at like, you know how many times I let you live? Like, you know how many times I could have killed you and he didn't? Like, they should have left it at that and gave let Butcher give his smirk or whatever and then go in. You know what I mean? Like it shouldn't have gone to I'll suck your dick, and then his face was just like, the fuck? Like, the fuck? Yeah, like now I'm gonna beat your ass even more.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:05

He should have been like, it should have just been like, yeah, like maybe how you're saying, like, I like it live so many times, so we could have this bout, but now you're just gonna end it like this, and then butcher, but like, yeah, what do you think this is? That's your fault, not mine, and then you know, do it in. But for him to say the way he was saying it, I thought that was just more Eric Kripkey bullshit.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:26

Kind of like adding a punchline to a serious moment in the MCU, huh? Right. Yeah, just doing something like that. That's kind of like how I felt too. Um, because it was like all ceremonia ceremonious, even you know, with Frenchie, that whole scene with Kamiko and all that stuff, even though I thought the fight was kind of whack because it's like you're telling me he couldn't take on like a second ago he was able to take on Ryan, no problem. And I understand Butcher's there and Kamiko, and he's worried about getting blasted and all that stuff, but like he would stand there and stare at her for like a couple of seconds and then try to fly. Like give them enough time to get up and get him, kind of thing. And I would just I think the fight was lackluster. I didn't enjoy, you know, the ending and you know, him actually leaving, and then obviously the back end. I mean, I don't know how I I to be honest, I didn't I didn't see a lot of people talking about this, but I don't know how I felt about him naming his daughter Robin. Like that was just for me, that was just kind of like I don't think I would have done something like that, and I would have I I don't agree that he should have done something like that. Um, but other than that, I did enjoy Mother's Milk getting married. I underst I I enjoyed Ryan being with him and actually, you know, getting a loving father and a mother probably with that. I don't know if they're adopting him or if he's just you know there for the wedding. I'm assuming he's getting adopted, because why would he be there for the wedding? Um and that's another thing. Kripke didn't even bother to let us know that or at least set something up like that. Like oh, you know, like Mother's Milk was like checking in on Ryan every once in a while to be like, hey, if you ever need a place or something like that, like home is here or something. You know what I mean? Like that would have been a cool thing to lace out throughout this season while maybe Ryan was like resting and you know, whatever, whatever. I know he fucked off into a log cabin for a while, but like if Mother's Milk would have been more loving towards him and showed interest in like wanting to raise him for good, and you know, obviously with him having the past with Soldier Boy and everything, that would have been a big turnaround for him and for the show, in my opinion. But it just you know it just felt like they were smarter than Eric Kirpke.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:32

Yeah, smarter than Eric Kirkke.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:34

But according to Eric Kirpke, I mean, you can't please everybody, right? Even though the two last episodes are some of the lowest episodes in the series.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:44

The way he talks about the show and the way he talks about fans consuming it is uh disrespectful. It's like James Gunn level of disrespect. You should be a better writer.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

Yeah, like don't blame the fans because we're like, oh, we wish you would have wrapped this up like we wanted it to. No, you should probably blame yourself for not meeting the the fans' expectations when we're the ones who are actively watching your show.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Again, V1 or no, getting the virus, a problem. V1, another problem. So then the sighting fuck the rest of them. We lost both. Let's just nuke the fuck out of Kamiko. Another problem. That you gave them too many obstacles. This was another, oh, let's beat Homelander to the punch. And then Homelander beats them to the punch. It's like, damn. Well, now we only got two or three episodes. We spent the whole season chasing two different things. We gotta wrap this up somehow. No, you had your out twice. Basically, you just couldn't stick with either one.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:47

Mm-hmm. And we got an out, but you know, it's not as powerful as I thought it could have been, probably with like season three or something, you know what I mean? Um but yeah. All in all though, um before we start wrapping it up and you know, looking to what's next and all that stuff, I kinda wanted to touch on this before we close out and give our rating when it comes to the season. Because I think this that this part is a big issue for a lot of people. Um like I said, one of them is it or the big issue is the whole parodying the the political atmosphere and you know, parodying superheroes at the same time, um, to the point where in your final episode you put what looks like to be Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos in there and flew them out into space. And you got a lot of people out there talking about it. Elon Musk was tweeting about it, um, because, you know, of that as well. Uh same thing, like I said, with the statues every week from the picture that Trump posted to like statues being made. Apparently there's gonna be a statue in Venezuela of Trump, apparently. I don't know. Uh apparently that's the kind of stuff is happening in real life and he kinda sprinkled that all out through here. Um and every single week for I want to say between episodes five and seven he was basically coming out like, oh my god, I didn't know I was on point like this. Obviously we kind of touched upon it and you know we kind of feel like that's what's hurting this this show, especially since season four, because that's where they kind of started dipping into it heavily. But I mean do you think it's something worth getting upset about I guess outside of the realm of like writing wise because we already talked about it writing wise like obviously if if you're putting stuff in like this you're distracting from other things that you could possibly putting into or whatever. Like writing wise like Eric Kripke is obviously shot when it comes down to like you know his pen and shit like that. Like he needs to work on that but like the way people are putting it is more like he should have he should never be touching politics and putting it into his movies or into the show at all whatsoever. Like even that little snippet of like what looked like to be Elon Musk could have been completely cut and not put in there.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

Political stuff is always gonna end up in media regardless of how you feel yeah I just think Eric Kripke was doing this since season one it was always an allegory for like the people in power and things like that. It just season four and season five was more very much yeah it's much more in your face.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

The fact that they couldn't pick it pick up about it and then season four happened they're like oh you're talking about us yeah stupid what are you talking about he's always been talking about you you're just dumb you're too dumb he beat he was beating the fuck out of you you didn't even know okay so maybe the fact that he put it in there wasn't the issue it's that he became he stopped becoming so subtle with it right because in the first three seasons people didn't understand it right exactly how you said like they didn't know until like season four and season five where they were like hey he's fucking talking about us that's when you know I believe he basically I believe that a lot of people online identified it and so he was like well I don't have to hide it anymore and so he really went full throttle with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

Yeah dude um fucking I mean the deep prime example if people were paying attention this would not be fucking like a thing but the deep for example serious character I'm pretty sure from the start um yeah he's a piece of shit but the moment they put him on that redemption arc or redemption arc and then he starts turning into one of those dudes you can tell Eric Kripke was like making fun of people like like you know professional fit podcast people and all those people that are like you know you don't need a woman this this and that like those people yeah he was making he was making fun of those he was making fun of those people that is very much clear yeah he was making fun of MAGA people that's very much clear yeah when Trump says something like hey I can shoot someone in the middle of the street and get applaud for it what does Homelander do?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:14

He lasers someone in the crowd people are people need shit spelled out for them unfortunately yeah and it's either you're with it or you're not but that's the thing though uh that's what I mean is that like it's it just sucks that he became too on the nose about it because now it's it's more of a oh it's in your face you know what I mean and he doesn't feel any shame to be like oh yeah that's exactly what I've been doing and don't get me wrong you can put whatever you want in your shows and if you want to go against a certain side like I'm not picking this side or that side I'm just more saying you're polarizing the audience by doing something like that right like instead of just making it all about a superhero show and maybe subtly laying that in there and being like hey you know if they don't notice it which in the first season uh the first few seasons they didn't why would you just completely double down triple down and just make it so noticeable to the point where it basically handicaps your show in a way right but that I that's just the way I see it because I mean them actually putting like an Elon Musk Jeff Bezos kind of like look alike in order to do something like that was in all honesty was I mean I understand Homelander being in there I understand like these little things or whatever but like to me it was just more okay like we understand this the last season but you don't have to do this with a bang like there's nobody said like hey we want to see this close to home kind of stuff you know what I mean that's why imagine that's why I said in the beginning analogy and I mean kind of making the the VP Ashley and being the one to do whatever he says no matter what and blah blah blah it's like I I understand it but why do you why do you have to be so upfront about it you know that's the thing that's why that's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:04

Imagine what the show would have been like had he not took that route and being so satirical with it you probably would have stayed in Fantasyland and we probably would have gotten a little bit of a better hitting show.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:16

This is where we season one in season season one through three very much felt like I was watching something very like nice even with the subtleness of his political stuff but like yeah the moment he that sh all that shit gets in your face you're like okay clearly the show is taking a back seat because he wants to very much be like look at what we're doing we're making fun of politics you know because even yeah even when he would put in like the whole dick stuff and everything ass whatever blah blah blah like all that stuff it bothered me in the early seasons but it didn't bother me to the point because it was just like okay they they're trying to show you like oh this is how superheroes live or whatever right blah blah blah blah and then by season four they just you know with the political parody and the superhero parody and the sex stuff and the the show not being as good writing wise as well it's just it felt like from season four everything was just assaulting you. It didn't feel like you were getting something and giving something it felt like you were just completely just like okay slap you in the face with this slap you in the face with this slap you in the face with this and it was just for me it that's what kind of was making me check out little by little and by season five yeah I know I just think I just think that everyone finally picking it up is kind they're just slow to the punch.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:30

They just you know what I mean and it's not their fault I mean you know they can get mad about it. I think I saw a little bit of the controversial stuff like when people were like homelander wouldn't wouldn't say I suck your dick they turned them gay this this and that I was like nah man I mean even though I don't like it you could tell he was very much growling you know what I mean he wasn't like oh I'm I'm gay as fuck I want you butcher let me suck your dick he was just more like please if that's if this if that's what it takes for me to live I'll do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:58

You know what I mean anything to survive basically exactly he wasn't fucking gay he was trying to find a way out yeah like I don't like it because of dialogue you don't like it because you sounded gay's a struggle my man what are you talking about well I mean is it fair to say that the dialogue made him sound gay I mean it's I think it sounds like we're all mad at the same thing just different fronts you know what I'm saying that's just basically what it well no but like that's the that's the difference is is that like the same thing with like women in projects where people are like I don't like it because that's a woman yeah well I don't like it because the character that they wrote fucking sucked not because she's a woman it's because the character sucked basically that's the difference that's the difference yeah that's Sage being getting Sage being the only one to get a happy ending I thought was pretty funny I to me that as well was kind of like out of nowhere because a second ago she wanted to be alone in a bunker with her powers and everything like that reading to the end of time because she liked being smart and then when she got dumb she was like I like being dumb I'm like I would I I understood it because she she was like oh it's a struggle to have this brain always thinking like she has to literally lobotomize herself to stop or whatever blah blah blah but she always felt like she was better than everybody else still because she was smarter and had those powers so it didn't it wasn't really an a burden for her it was more of a it was more of a I have these powers and these are the side effects that I have to do in order to get have a good time when I want to have a good time or whatever. She never indicated that she wanted to be completely powerless. Even like the plan in the beginning it wasn't to lose her powers it was to watch everybody kill themselves and then she could just be alone for the rest of her life and then it turned to oh now I got my powers gone I can be normal I don't know yeah that that one was kind of weird I mean I understand the other side where people are like well you're not watching the show like you should understand it but it just they didn't make it clear enough for me if that makes sense like you it could be either or did the bo did Kamiko's blast cure butcher's cancer yeah that's fucking nuts she's a walking well let me tell you what cures cancer radiation she she just fucking nuked him too that's crazy dude she knew she nuked all of them that's why that that's where I was like at the end too I was like well shouldn't Ryan have his powers because he's naturally born yeah that that was unless you forgot that shit too oh that was another thing before we get to our our you know the ending of this as well is that some people thought um butcher going scorched earth once again because terror died was an issue how do we feel about that I mean I don't know if that was why I you can very much tell that it was like oh he had nothing left the mission's over there's nothing left for him but I would have preferred a butcher that managed to be like you know what it's over I'm satisfied but no he was very much still like they're just waiting to create another homelander this this and that I mean well I mean for a second he had that when before Ryan rejected him for a second he was like I want to be normal we can just be normal and Ryan was rejected that altogether and then terror dying which like I said yeah that's what kind of led him to being like oh well there's nothing left and shit like that but um yeah I don't know man I mean I was kind of like sure might as well I guess I by this by this time I think it was already done and I was just more like let's just wrap it up come on yeah because uh the whole ending too where he's like oh I want Huey to kind of blow the button and kind of change him or whatever it's like I thought we let go of that back in like season three. I thought we knew that Huey was kind of like the positive one who kept them in check and we kind of understood that and I thought Butcher understood that too so the fact that they kind of threw that away too was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:15

Yeah and then the random callback to his brother and trying to shoehorn us to make him feel bad. I wasn't fucking with that because you can very much tell he said fuck all that by the end of season what when did we get that season three right about like family and all that stuff? Yeah when he when he sees his brother oh yeah that was season three that was season three when he was like hallucinating about yeah you can very much tell he didn't give a fuck about any of that through season four or through season five he just wanted the mission done he didn't give a fuck about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:45

In season four they did bring it back for a little bit they brought him back for a little bit too in season four remember when he when the parasite was first showing that it was getting stronger so he was there for a little bit there but it it was they didn't go that deep and then I mean you're really gonna tell me that Butcher's gonna give a shit what a shape shifting soup would say about his brother and all that stuff? Like that's not right. Like yeah you got his thoughts and everything but he knows what actually happened I don't think that would have gotten to him but I understand they had to create some tension but that's to me that was just like the wrong kind. I you know by the end of the season Okay by the end of the season I was like I said I was satisfied with Homelander Bite in the dust but I was not satisfied with the season as a whole especially where we left off with episode four I mean with season four and what Gen V was kind of setting up even though I didn't see Gen V season two because I thought it was kind of lame and you know I was proven right but it ultimately didn't hold any weight to what season five was doing anyway so it doesn't really matter and even the characters that we did see from that show were only there for merely 30 seconds. I don't know what started off as a strong series a real strong series in the beginning unfortunately became a parody of itself towards the end um like how Josh said and that's the best way to put it season five left me decently satisfied I give it like season five gotta get it like a out of one out of ten, one being the worst, ten being the best, five being the middle I gotta give it like a solid five it's nothing special. I don't think it did anything to move the needle um but it did drag its feet to the end and at least we got an end and I could be happy with that I don't know man yeah I I'm too nice with this one I'm sorry. I give it in between I I do Kamiko talking was kind of odd.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

I gotta say that's what I think I gotta say annoying yeah she fucking everything she said was had a car s word in it or a dick joke or a pussy joke and then she randomly grew a porn addiction. Did we give a fuck about that? No I'm sorry this show for a show that I think was has been done done to death by two seasons and one whole spinoff I think I'm good. Uh well I think the Vault Rising will very much be uh okay I'm gonna wait I'm not gonna watch it weekly I'm gonna have to if we're gonna talk about it I'm gonna just fucking wait until it's all wrapped up or if we're gonna do a halfway mark wait until those four episodes are are ready so I can just watch it all in full yeah because I am not binge watch I'm not watching that shit weekly. I don't give a fuck about it. I I I think I'm I'm very much done. And the fact that it's over I'm just like you know what that's fine. If I ever decide to revisit I'm only watching up until the third season and then you know that's it. Homelander wins right you know and in a parallel universe soldier boys run the seven right right so dude I'm sorry dude there was nothing about I mean other than that other than the few nuggets I thought I I was I was laughing my ass off this whole show was a this whole season was a mess.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:27

Like I said they forgot plot points they just started throwing shit out the wall they were you know I will I was checked out from the jump I think so I I gotta give it like three out of ten a three for season five yeah yeah not a strong not a strong finish unfortunately for the boys um wish would wish it would have ended a little bit better than this unfortunately we're on the side where we were just not that satisfied with the ending even though we got an ending it was just not what we were expecting. I will say though robot rising does look a little exciting I will not expect wait till like the very end like how you are uh we do have the first trailer here this is gonna be the very next show in this boys universe now that obviously Gen V is kaput um we also have the the what you said it was New Mexico or just Mexico yeah yeah just the boys Mexico um that's gonna supposedly supposed to be coming out I know that um uh the guy from Andor is supposed to be in it right so hopefully that comes out to be good Josh I don't know if you've seen this trailer already I know that there was links coming out from the I believe it was TwitchCon or Comic Con or something like that that they were premiering it at um but they finally released it online for everybody and a good amount of time too just in time for our review you know what I'm saying um so maybe this trailer will change your mind maybe you'll look a little bit more forward for something within the boys universe um but after season five I can totally understand if it doesn't so let's just jump right into it and let's see where it leaves you know if you're working on something how loud it gets okay you know if you're working on something maybe I could help I want to fight for the flag I want to be a hero 2027 what are we thinking what are we thinking it looks like they're gonna be going between past and present um you can tell there some of it looks like CGI or CGI'd uh Jensen across so I mean I guess that's fine I see like a younger version of him right like I know right I believe this the one shooting the machine gun right here that's supposed to be him that don't even look like him no I don't think that's him I think that's the one that gets stuck in the tree.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:24

Oh maybe and then he picks up his shield yeah because he's supposed 'cause you remember he was saying that oh you this motherfucker was the one saying that I haven't seen real combat this and this and that. So maybe he was the runner up to get B1 but whatever happened to him made him ineligible maybe and so they give it to Soldier Point? Yeah maybe oh that makes sense too yeah I was wondering why he was wearing his gear that makes sense too if we're getting if we're getting like better Captain America fights than what we got in fucking Bucky and Winter Soldier or in Captain America 4 I guess I guess that's a positive I guess that's okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:03

Okay. Yeah I do want to see him his and storefront's relationship I know we got a little little like glimpse of it when he would like say like oh she would always say some crazy shit and all that stuff and you know we kind of got a like I said a glimpse of it right here in the trailer too and she's like oh you know the world could be ours all we gotta do is take it or something. So it's like I I kind of want to see how she even ended up where she ended up and all that stuff. So it it's kind of interesting for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:34

Well it looks like it's it's that 1950s the war happened 1940s she's gonna be like a double agent or something and they're gonna that's gonna be the reveal that like or that after the they lost she joined their side or she went to hiding and joined their side some shit like that watch you think we're gonna see the first Hero Gasm I sure fucking hope not let the first season breathe dude and fucking give us something okay and then if you want to do the sex shit save that for the next season.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:06

Yeah at least let this one breathe man I think it's in season three I think he said in 1951 or two is when Hero Gasm started yeah 52 so it's like two years down the road I mean if we have some time jumps maybe I don't know man I don't want to that's the thing I'm tired of this are you telling me you're not watching Vot Rising for the first Hero Gasm?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:28

No bro I don't give a fuck about I didn't give a fuck about it in the first season I mean in the third season either oh man it's gonna be fucking nuts we've we've pushed the limits of of the rating and this this and that and it's just dick and balls. It's dickin' balls everywhere yeah Mother's Day gets milked on Right it's fucking disgust you're like you're disgusting. You're disgusting. And this isn't even like a like oh show some boobs here and there. It's more of like like there's just a a very unsavory amount of dick It's fucking weird

SPEAKER_06 1:28:00

Savory is a crazy way to say it. There's just so much wiener. Yeah, well, I mean, that's what I always said too. Like, with this, with the boy seasons and all that stuff, is like they put a lot of emphasis in this whole, like, oh, you know, we we're edgy and we do dick jokes and ball jokes, and you're gonna see semen and blood and blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, that's like I said, in the first few seasons it was cool because it it felt like a give and take. You're getting a little bit of that, but you're also getting some good storytelling and some good, you know, character arcs and blah blah blah blah. And then you get to a point where you're like, well, damn, now all you're doing is sex jokes and fucking political stuff and everything. And so I'm hoping this one is returned to form. We get like a season one of the boys here where you know it's taken seriously. Hopefully, we don't get to a point where he feels the need to want a parody back then, but I mean, you never know with with this guy. But I gotta say, this trailer looks pretty good for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:01

It looks all right. I'm not knocking it too much. I'm just worried about it because it's in the boys universe.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:09

Okay. So season five didn't completely knock you off. You still got a little intrigue in you, and I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:17

We're just gonna have to keep chugging along, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:19

Chugging along. Well, let us know what you guys think. Check out the Rot Rising trailer, it's out on YouTube right now. Let us know what you guys think about season five of The Boys. Let us know what you think of the series, all in general. Did you love it? Did you hate it? Was the ending satisfying? Did it start off strong in the beginning seasons? Did it get a little lackluster towards the end? We want to know your guys' thoughts. With that being said, though, Josh, any topics that they want to hear, movies they want us to review, TV shows, you want to hear your voice on one of these episodes, let them know where they could do all that.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:50

Uh, Twitter, TikTok, Instagram at Fairmost Podcast, post episodes are up again. So there for news and boys who wants to cover, but's probably on the social scale so I can pay channel and subscribe, hit the show go. Greatly appreciate it. This was anyway. Spotify YouTube is covered podcast. Again, we're podcast. Five conversation, twitch at firmbross podcast, and so on.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:11

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:14

Talk to you guys later.