Ep 511 Eric Kripke blames fans for Boys Flop, Bully for using AI works, Stan Lee can be used by AI and more

In this episode the FilmBros discuss The Boys flop, AI show for Prime no longer in the works, Stan Lee can be used by AI, and more

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SPEAKER_13 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh. Hey everybody. And welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. All right, Josh. So obviously, today is gonna be a good day. I feel like Eric Kripke was avoiding us a little bit. And I'm gonna tell you why. Because we, you know, we did our, you know, our boys' finale. We talked about the boys, you know, we talked about season five. We talked about where it stopped being good and when you know things were you know going great and yada yada yada. We did all that. We have an episode out right now. So if you guys want to go check that out, you know, shameless plug, go check it out right now. Or not right now, wait until the episode's over, and then go check it out, you know, right after. Back to backers today. Yay! Um, Eric Kirpke basically came out with an article. Um, first things first, he basically off-rip just started saying that he is not gonna be showrunning for uh the boys spin-off series, which we kind of touched on um on our episode. Uh we kind of talked about that. We kind of feel like he's tapped out, so we don't really want him to be, you know, so attached to that uh to that little spin-off series that we're basically getting, which season five was what, like propaganda for you know, the boy spin-off and basically you know, soldier boy and bombside and yada yada yada. Um, but he is saying that he is stepping down, he's not gonna be a showrunner for the spin-off show. Um, so all the comments that we're basically making that he was saving all his best things for you know the boy spin-off and everything was not true, I guess, because you know, he's not even gonna be a part of the team over there. He's he's basically stepping down in the nicest way possible. He's he's saying, Hey, I'm not a part of this universe no more. Anybody who does anything is it's on their own, basically.

SPEAKER_17 1:59

Shit. That means the other shows might have potential. Those shows might have potential.

SPEAKER_13 2:07

Eric Kripke's being, is he being kept out of said kitchen or is he staying out of the kitchen? Is the question. Like, I that's basically what I need to know. Is is this man actively avoiding the kitchen because of the backlash that happened with season five? Because of what was happening with season four? I I want to say this boy spinoff started like being planned around season four, season three. That's when the boys and the Mexico one was kind of announced. And let's just be honest, season four is when it started going down the hill. So it's like I wonder if Amazon looked at him and was like, hey man, you're kind of tapped out, bro. We need a we need some fresh, some fresh, uh, some fresh juice up in here and kept them out. Or, you know, like I said, did he just hear the backlash and say, I'm out, I'm out of you. Oh, he pulled the what's his name, the Shazam director. He was like, Oh, hell no. I can't deal with these people.

SPEAKER_17 3:04

I can't deal with these people. I would say it's probably maybe it's a mix of both. Maybe we're like, hey man, it's a season five, huh? Uh that was pretty it was something, let me tell you. There was something, man. You know, you did your thing, you're gonna do the rest. And it they're probably he was probably gonna be like, maybe. And they were like, maybe? I don't know if you should. You know, go do another endeavor. You know, you already made your dream show, and he was probably like, You right. So they probably made it feel they probably made him feel like it was his choice.

SPEAKER_13 3:33

Or he's trying to stay face and you know, trying to be like, Oh, yeah, Amazon didn't totally boot me out of this universe that I was totally creating on the the back of myself. Um I want to believe he stayed out. I want to believe that he voluntarily bowed out, but I also want to believe that, you know, we we saw what he was putting up, right? And you know, as a coach, I would have said, hey man, you know, I would have put his my hand on the shoulder, been like, hey, it's time to clock out. You know what I'm saying? I would have been I would have just told him straight straight like that, straight like that. But Eric Kripke has been coping for a while. This was one of the articles that he basically uh put out before the episodes were over. We kind of talked about it um as well. This is him basically going at the fans uh for you know filler episodes for the boy season and whatnot. You know, he said little things like, you know, what are we expecting? Little battle scenes every single episode, you know, they don't have the budget for that kind of stuff, but like, you know, where was the filler episodes? He was basically looking for them, and then here we are getting articles that he's basically not gonna be part of this spin-off series. So I kind of feel like this whole season five run that he was doing, uh, especially when he was like coming out to basically you know address the fans and our our concerns of you know, how did you give us a poster of you know butcher in front of the Vaught Tower being destroyed? But we don't see even Vaught's not even destroyed by the end of the season, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, for me, this is a plus. For me, this is I just don't want to hear him cope anymore. When he was writing high, Kripke was, you know, for the first three seasons, he was, you know, always praised, he was talking about the you know, the little little disses to the MCU, little disses to politics, but it wasn't so heavy. And then by the end of it, I think we you said it yourself, he became the very thing, oh you know, like the like sour, you know, you became the very thing you swore to destroy, right? Like you are the problem now. And you know, it gotta say, I got I I'm kind of happy to not see him be in this, you know, boy season two or uh this boy spin-off list. Let's just say.

SPEAKER_17 5:56

Uh, you know, I mean I am too. Um I think if he's if he's taking the approach of fucking you're watching the wrong show and all that stuff, uh you're off to a bad start. You're I mean your your show's ending, so you I guess you don't really have to care. But you're off to a bad ending, and I don't think anyone's gonna want to watch your endeavor, your next endeavor, if you're like, oh yeah, no, you're watching the wrong show, I didn't have any filler. I don't know what you're talking about, it's the fans, this isn't that. Nah, man, your show fucking sucked, okay? Like, that's it. You waste you did a filler. Did we need let's see, let me see. Did we need Huey in season four getting you know done in by Tech Knight? No. No, no one needed that. That's that's a sexual fantasy you probably had. I don't know. I don't shit. Season five, what's a what's a filler season five episode?

SPEAKER_16 6:58

I mean, I think there was like one or two.

SPEAKER_13 7:00

Well, you gotta be honest. At the end, when we're over here chasing for this V1, and this V1 doesn't do anything, I gotta be honest, this whole good chunk of the season could be cut out because it just didn't have you built up this V1 to be this big thing for season five to happen, and then when season five rolls around, V1 is basically debunked. There's nothing special about it. You I mean, he takes it for immortality, but even bombsite debunked it and said, Hey, you could take it, but I could still snap it. Soldier boy told bombsite, I could still snap your fucking neck. Like he could still die. You could still die. There's no immortality, you don't live forever. You just you know, you just don't age. That's it. You can you can still die. It's still null and void. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_17 7:48

So pointless in the end, really. Pointless. I mean, the the I would say Gen Wee. Like I said, Gen Wee is gotta be all filler.

SPEAKER_13 7:58

We gotta be honest, too. You know, they set up a virus that they didn't even use. I didn't think about this when we were doing our review and everything, but we also got to think, you know, you kind of write yourself in a corner. We literally had this whole supernatural, like, you know, uh reunion in episode five or six, some somewhere around there, right? We had this supernatural reunion, and then in literally what this episode, this random soup knocks Homelander on his ass. He is able to be presumably murdered right there because everybody was saying, hey, we can murder him right there. I would just say, why didn't we just pick up that guy a long time ago? I mean, he's clearly friends, he was clearly able to get close enough, and he clearly has the same motivations as the boys. We should have found this man a long time ago.

SPEAKER_17 8:47

Exactly. I don't know, I don't know what the fuck they were thinking. If it's that easy, you know, why aren't motherfuckers trying more, you know?

SPEAKER_13 8:56

That's all right, Eric Kripke. You you keep you keep the boys seasons, and we'll we'll move on with the VCU that we so dubbed it, um, hilariously, because like I said, it's it's funny that we were making fun of it a second ago, and then we go ahead and just follow suit. You know what I'm saying? Um, but Eric Kripke, like I said, is not gonna be returning for the boy spin-off. Uh, we're not gonna see his thoughts and creations. I mean, he'll probably be around for little things if you know we see um little connectivity. I know some people are kind of theorizing that we're gonna see a time jump and eventually see Soldier Boy get out of the pod from season five in present day, and he's gonna be eventually be you know in charge of the boys and whatnot. So if that does happen, maybe we get a little bit of insight from Eric Kripke, but it's not gonna be as heavy as obviously the boy seasons and whatnot. So let us know your guys' thoughts, um, concerns, and if you guys care to see him back or not, yeah, yeah. Let us know. Uh moving on. George Jorge Argutreres has been going through it. Okay, now this man he is an animator, he works uh he's worked on multiple animation projects. He's been working for Amazon um as of lately, I believe. Um, and you know, he basically came out saying that he's gonna be making an AI generated uh short series funded by Amazon uh to basically give fans what they want, right? And that was just met with so much stuff. I don't have the original post, I can't find the original post anywhere, but he decided to go on Twitter out of all places, you know, to announce this. Like, I mean, you can announce it to the world first, but you don't go to the cesspool that is Twitter or X first and get the the replies, in my opinion. Um, but he did come out basically saying that he's making an AI animated um short series. And oh, did people not take it kindly? There was so much stuff. I mean, I can't even say half the stuff that was on that post. I don't even have the original post anymore. There were so much things, it it was there was racism, there was attacks to his family, there was attacks to him personally, there was a text to his, you know, his dog. I saw one about his dog. I don't even know if he has a dog, but hopefully not. He he was attacked. Okay, he was very much attacked. I very egregiously, I gotta say, like it was really bad. I I did, I mean, I understand voicing an opinion, but the internet was on his ass, let's just say, on his ass. So by the end of it, it took about a day. He came out with an apology. He said, I'm not gonna be doing this anymore. He's not, you know, after the backlash, he basically said, fuck that. Um, it was supposed to be a pucky duck series. Um, and he does say action speak louder than words, and he just completely decided to uh step away from that project. Now, Josh, on our Twitter, we obviously talked about this a little bit, but but you know, we've not seen this only once in Hollywood, right? We've seen this with Sonic, um, you know, little things before AI. I mean, Zack Snyder's Justice League is one of the biggest, you know, campaigns out there that was able to happen. Um and you know, George R. Guteris is not another it's just another name on the list of like, you know, people hating it so much that they push him to do something different. Bullying works is is the is the lesson that we learned here today. Uh, Josh, how did you feel about you know, I don't know if you've seen this on Twitter. I don't know how active you were when all this stuff was kind of going down. Did you see the apology? Uh, how did you feel when everything was happening?

SPEAKER_17 12:50

Well, I mean, first off, I think he's great. I mean, he made that L T grey show for Crunchy Network. He did the Book of Life. I like the Book of Life. I don't agree with the bullying of calling of talking about his family and stuff. I think that's wrong. But I would say bullying him out of using AI was kind of 50-50. I'm kind of on the on board with it, I guess. You know what I mean? I think there's ways to educate him, educate people and not bully them. Um, but yeah. His the way what he was saying was crazy though. Because when he was like, oh, it's like using AI is like having sex, and then they give you a baby right then and there, and it's like, what? What why would you say that shit, dude? But I mean it's true in a way, yeah. But I don't I don't agree with calling out his family, but yeah, I agree bullying works.

SPEAKER_13 13:50

Okay. Yes, yeah, that is true. Now, here's my thing, right? Because we have AI being used in one side, we have AI being used on the another side. I mean this man was being transparent with us, is in my opinion. He wasn't like, you know, he was excited about the project, he was being transparent about what's gonna happen with the project, and next thing you know, he gets ridiculed by you know Guillermo del Toro and all this stuff. It's like, look. In my head, I thought the backlash was totally uncalled for. I think it was dumb. Um, I think AI is being used secretly, not even in your guys' faces, you know what I mean? Like they're making, I'm pretty sure that X-Men show has AI. We're gonna have a trailer for it later on. I'm pretty sure there's AI being used for that. There was AI being used um sprinkled around here and there. They're gonna be using it for CGI pretty soon. It's not gonna be a secret, okay? They're gonna be using it a lot more once they perfect it to the point. Okay, if he was proposing an AI show, I'm pretty sure, and especially with the animation titles that you kind of named off, I'm pretty sure he was gonna make sure that it was perfect to the point where you know AI can be pushed and look as amazing and need as it needs to be. I don't doubt that he wasn't gonna give us any more than excellence when it came down to using this kind of stuff. I don't believe bullying people out of making headway into the future is the thing. Because at the end of the day, like I said, he was being transparent, these companies are not. Disney is not, Paramount's not, Warner Brothers isn't, they're they're gonna be using AI. So the fact that you bullied this man from making something that could possibly have been good just because he's using AI, that's weird.

SPEAKER_12 15:50

And it's even weirder when you know half these people in the comments used AI to probably attack this man. They they typed it out in Chat GPT and sent it.

SPEAKER_13 16:01

People use chat GBT to send text messages nowadays. Like that's how the like you know, AI is being used nowadays, so it's like it's it's it's wrong. It's still wrong, but it's gonna be the future. A lot of people are gonna be using it. Chat GBT is gonna be helping kids do their homework, they're gonna be doing the numbers really fast. It's not gonna be it's not gonna be nothing. So I in my opinion, you guys just basically stopped what could have possibly been a decent to great show, all because you guys didn't want to see AI. And let's just be honest, I'm pretty sure 99 95% sure that you guys are watching AI and don't even know that it's AI. And that's okay.

SPEAKER_17 16:46

I don't even think we're there yet.

SPEAKER_13 16:48

Oh no, we're there.

SPEAKER_17 16:50

I don't agree.

SPEAKER_13 16:52

We're there, we're there. We literally had a whole sack strike. We've been having this conversation about AI for the past two coming up to three years. We've had more than enough time to start implementing implementing AI secretly. Eventually, in the next couple years, we're gonna start hearing a lot more. Yeah, we're using AI for this, we're using AI for that. Coca-Cola's been using AI for um their commercials for the past two years. They it's gotten better with the with the following year versus the very first year. The very first year was a disaster, it looked really bad, but the second year letters.

SPEAKER_15 17:25

That polar bear commercial still looked bad. Come on.

SPEAKER_13 17:28

The second one did not look as bad as the first one. That's what I'm saying. Like it's progress, it's not that AI is gonna be perfect on the first time, and obviously you're gonna have to take some renditions and it's gonna have to you know change up and blah blah blah blah. But I mean, it's still getting better. It's eventually gonna get better to the point where, like I said, it's not gonna be a secret anymore, it's gonna be more in your guys' faces, and you guys are gonna have to choose whether you guys are gonna watch it or not. Eventually, you're gonna have nothing to watch because everything's gonna have AI and you're gonna eventually watch it.

SPEAKER_18 18:02

I mean, I'm not saying it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_13 18:04

You gotta agree with my sentiment, but can you kind of see where I'm saying where like these companies are probably using AI right now and we don't know.

SPEAKER_17 18:15

I think they're wrong for that.

SPEAKER_13 18:17

Yeah, yeah, you could say that they're wrong, but I'm telling you, like, you you probably know, right? Like you probably have an idea that they're more than likely using AI as we speak.

SPEAKER_17 18:26

I don't know. I think they should disclose that stuff. I've seen I've seen like during the Super Bowl, I saw like for Pampers, they were using an AI baby to simulate what the diaper looks like and all that stuff, and like I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_13 18:43

You see?

SPEAKER_17 18:44

So I mean they used to do it with real babies. What's the problem?

SPEAKER_13 18:47

I mean, that's true, it's true. Like, why not use it's kind of what Guillaume del Toro said when he was trying to clown this guy too, is like human by made by humans for humans, whatever, blah blah blah. I understand that stuff, but you know CGI isn't human either.

SPEAKER_12 19:05

Nobody gives a shit about that.

SPEAKER_14 19:09

VFX, the same thing.

SPEAKER_13 19:13

Wait, I'm not done, I'm not done, I'm not done, I'm not done, I'm not done. Okay, and I know what the comebacks are gonna be already. Oh, but that takes hours and man work and they gotta do this meticulous. Yes, I understand. And you guys are like, oh well, AI is gonna cut that short or whatever, blah blah blah. Oh my god. Oh my god, they're making uh a software is making jobs easier.

SPEAKER_12 19:35

Oh my god, it's it's a crime.

SPEAKER_13 19:39

We would rather we would rather have these CGI artists working thousands of hours and be underpaid instead of be able to be paid somewhat fairly and produce something quick, easy with a little bit of help of AI. Not completely using it, but a little bit of help of AI to push things forward. You know what I'm saying? So it's like do we want would we I mean Josh, I'm gonna put you in a corner right now. Would you rather see our CGI workers over overworked and underpaid? Or would you rather them have a tool to make their job a little bit easier so they could not be so overworked and not so underpaid?

SPEAKER_17 20:18

Why can't we over why can't we pay them fairly? Like what? I would say have them animate, do their job, and pay them fairly. I don't think anyone should be overworked.

SPEAKER_12 20:32

Yeah. Me neither.

SPEAKER_13 20:35

So I would rather give them a tool that will make the job.

SPEAKER_17 20:39

A tool that make that's bad for the environment, bro. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_13 20:43

We're not gonna talk about this whole environment thing about cooling stuff. Look, if you care about the environment with AI, you need to stop watching Netflix, you need to stop watching Warner Brothers, you need to stop watching all this stuff. But you wanna know why? Because their servers are using water as well to cool it down.

SPEAKER_12 20:57

What do you think they're using?

SPEAKER_17 20:59

Not as heavy as AI data centers, dude. Did you see that jar of water that came?

SPEAKER_12 21:04

And we you just agreed with me. Companies are probably using AI in the background. Are they not? Possibly. Some are more than likely.

SPEAKER_13 21:13

So they're using it. It's bad for the environment. So if you care that much, you need to stop watching Netflix, you need to stop watching Warner Brothers, you can just stop watching things altogether because AI is here to stay, it's gonna be everywhere. It's cooling all the servers down, whether it's from Netflix services, I don't know if it's here to stay, do you know? Whether it's video games, whether anything, all these servers need something to cool down, they're using water. They're using water. So it's gonna be the same thing. So either you completely cut it all off, or we gotta stop this whole AI is using water thing uh at the at the at the most. That that is just to me, that's crazy talk.

SPEAKER_17 21:49

Did you not see that dirty ass draw of water that they brought out to the Supreme Court when they were being bringing those data centers out? Yeah, and they're like they're mandatory, they're gonna start building them. Like, no.

SPEAKER_13 22:00

Let them show us the Netflix water. Show us the Warner Brothers water. Show us all that. Like you're telling me that AI is a good idea. I don't consume it. Water for the servers? No. Netflix and everybody's. But the only thing is, the only thing is AI isn't regulated. Until it's regulated and until it's tamed, then we'll know what it's using, how much it's using, blah blah blah blah. And you're gonna see it's no different than what these companies are doing. The only difference is these companies can line up these politicians' pockets with money and they can get past these things. And they don't have to hear it from the people and the backlash or whatever, blah blah. Josh, don't be part of the propaganda wheel.

SPEAKER_17 22:36

That's wrong, bro. It's all wrong. Even Guilmo del Toro. Guilmo del Toro putting belt to ass 100%.

SPEAKER_13 22:47

Guilmo del Toro is acting that way because he is a hand motion. It's kind of like that's what I'm saying. Like he's a he's one of those animators that has been, it's kind of like when you see somebody, you know, you see somebody hiking the trail, and they're you know, the goal is to get up to the top of the trail. Guilma del Toro got a backpack, he got his walking stick, and he climbed that thing. He saw every single view, he did everything that he needed to do, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Somebody else taking a plane to get to the same point, but trying to do it as quick as possible to get their bag or whatever. Is it wrong? Kind of for taking the shortcut. But are you I mean, are you basically just skipping the line to basically get to the same point? Sure, you have some people who could do it meticulous every single step of the way, detail by detail, and then you have other people that want to do things in a different way that is gonna basically do the same thing, but also give something a little bit more. There's nothing wrong with innovation and bringing things to to uh to a different standard. There's nothing wrong with that. Now, if it fails to reach that high, then yes, we gotta say, hey, that it was dog shit, you shouldn't have used that AI for that, whatever, blah blah blah blah. Fine, but it doesn't you cannot deny that these things are not, like I said, are not being used now and are not pushing the industry forward as we speak, because it is, and this backlash of trying to stop people like if for meaningful stuff, like you know, Sonic the Hedgehog looking cracked out in his in his trailers. I understand that that he did not look like Sonic, but I mean before we saw anything, he got backlash, he got a bunch of stuff, and it's all because he said he was gonna use AI to make a show. I find that to be totally wrong.

SPEAKER_17 24:32

I kind I find it fine.

SPEAKER_13 24:37

The bullying works, bullying works. So, since AI is wrong, and we just talked about that, let us know what you guys think. We're gonna be moving on here, but kind of sticking to the same thing here. But let us know you guys' thoughts. Stan Lee is gonna be returning with 11 Labs, an AI pact for to basically like license the likeness of Stan Lee to basically put him in Marvel projects. Uh, he died back in 2018. We've been waiting for this. Obviously, we heard as well AI is also gonna be used for Darth Vader with James Earl Jones' voice. Uh, we got clearance for that. Now we're getting clearance for Stan Lee to make a return into movies in some shape, form, or way. AI, you know, whether it's voice, whether it's his likeness, you know, they they can use that. And I'm pretty sure Marvel is gonna be seeing that. I did not hear a word about this. I didn't hear a word about that. No, nobody said nothing about this one. Oh, we're gonna see, oh, we're gonna see Stan Lee as AI in a Marvel movie. Oh, stop playing with me. Stop playing with me, bro. Why? Why look? See now now, don't get me wrong. That's wrong. No, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's wrong. This is so wrong. There was no backlash about this, there was no words about this, nobody said anything about that. It's like they deliberately put homeboy in a Trojan horse and slipped this underneath, and nobody said anything. Oh, but we worried about it about a show that's not even made yet. But Marvel's over here actively using AI Stan Lee.

SPEAKER_17 26:10

Both are wrong. And I think uh I think he got it, I think Jorge got it worse, unfortunately, because he's uh he's kind of a big pillar in like you know the whole Mexican upholder Mexican thing, you know what I mean? Like, if he's one of us, he we should back him, you know what I mean? Yeah, so I think he got it with the worst. Disney, we know it's to is to be heartless, we know they do scummy things. I can give a pass to Vader, because at least James Earl Jones allowed it to happen while he was alive. Yes, he allowed it to happen while he was alive, and then he passed, and they were like, okay, so I can kind of give it a pass. But this is so wrong.

SPEAKER_15 26:54

Leave the man alone. Why can't we just let these people rest? It's so wrong. This is wrong. I'm so no.

SPEAKER_13 27:06

I'm gonna take you back to the early 2000s, okay? I'm gonna take you back to a clip that we saw. All right, and I'm gonna just say this because look, if we're getting backlash for one thing, we gotta get backlash for both things. We cannot do one or the other only because this company's bigger and this guy's smaller, and we can bully him because he's on Twitter and Disney's not, whatever blah blah blah. If it's wrong, it's wrong all across the board. That's what I'm saying. That's what I was making the point of with the AI thing with the servers and blah blah blah blah. If it's wrong, it's wrong all across the board. If it's right, it's right all across the board. I gotta say, if I'm gonna stay on the stands with the AI thing, I can't be upset that they're using this kind of stuff. It's innovation, it's the future. But I mean, like I said, we're gonna take you back to the early 2000s. How can I be mad at this is if we didn't get a Tupac hologram performing on the stage of Coachella after he already had passed away.

SPEAKER_15 28:01

So how is that the same thing?

SPEAKER_13 28:05

You could say, look, you could say it's not the same thing. He was passed away, he they reanimated him, they put him on a stage, and they paraded him around because he's the name, he's the brand, and blah blah blah blah blah. That is what they're doing again with Stan Lee in a different way, in a bigger scale. Yes, I'm agreeing, but it there's no different it's innovation. People are it's always gonna happen. I knew this was gonna happen. I didn't think that we're gonna just be oh, Stanley Cameo here, you know, with a picture on the wall, whatever, blah, blah. No, eventually we're gonna get to the point where we're gonna be able to put him in, and here we are, we're at that point. It's wrong.

SPEAKER_17 28:46

This is so it's wrong. This is so wrong. This is so wrong.

SPEAKER_13 28:49

It's wrong, but nobody gave this one backlash at all. So I in my eyes, apparently the public says it's okay.

SPEAKER_17 28:58

It's not. Let it be known. I this is so wrong. I feel so bad. I feel so bad. So I gotta ask you.

SPEAKER_13 29:06

This is wrong. I gotta ask you because it sounds like you saw saw the George stuff, but you didn't see this stuff. I mean I gotta ask where the disconnect was.

SPEAKER_17 29:23

I I saw mostly all the accounts push the George stuff. I would say maybe it's because you know his thing came out first. But I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I don't know where the disconnect came from. But I saw literally everything. I saw like, you know, the reading cinema guy, I saw the the comic books guy, I saw the like every other smaller account pushed the George one. But I don't know. I didn't see this one. I don't know why the fuck this one just slip slid under everything.

SPEAKER_13 29:55

Yeah. I think this was a little different too, because I mean this is a AI generated version for the uh for books. I guess users are gonna be able to use him to you know to generate his likeness into templates and all that stuff when it comes down to that. I mean, this is this is being used for not only companies, but like for people to use. So they're basically allowing people to put him into comic strip and you know, all that kind of stuff. So I mean, it's step forward. Like I said, I mean if we're gonna be angry at one thing, we gotta be angry at everything. We can't be just being angry at one side. Uh Marvel's doing actively doing this. Like I said, a lot of these people are doing it in our faces, but not telling it to us. So I mean, if we're gonna be on that side, we need to, you know, we gotta make sure that we're we're a hundred percent. We can't just be can't pussy foot.

SPEAKER_17 30:47

No, dude. The moment I hear a Stanley AI thing or see him in a movie or something, bro. Automatic two-point reduction. No, we're not doing it, dude. We're not doing it.

SPEAKER_13 31:04

So you're telling me if we see a little if we see a I mean, this has to be in the works for a while, so we kind of have to have plans. Either we see him in Brand New Day or we see him in Doomsday. Little cameo. Nothing big. You see him in the background, you know, sipping a cup of coffee or whatever, you don't even you don't even see him speak. Would that be bad?

SPEAKER_17 31:32

Automatic. Automatic. And that's on top if the movie's good. So if I'm thinking 10, 9, automatic 8, 7.

SPEAKER_16 31:45

That's just that's just policy.

SPEAKER_13 31:48

Okay. Okay. Alright. I agree. Kind of. It depends on how it's used. It gotta be tasteful. It can't be bad, right? Can't be bad. Um, but let us know what you guys think. AI unfortunately is here to stay. Okay. And I know what you guys are thinking.

SPEAKER_14 32:06

AI, what?

SPEAKER_13 32:07

I can't believe you're you're with AI look. If you use chat GPT, I don't need to hear you speaking not one lick, not one word to me. Okay. I don't even like I tried it, it's not good. I don't even use that shit. But I know people that use that shit quite often. So if you use chat GPT, I don't want to hear it. That's still AI.

SPEAKER_17 32:25

Everything is their brains, their brains are fried.

SPEAKER_13 32:28

If you use at this point, I mean your phone's integrated with AI at this point. So if you're using autocorrect, AI is autocorrecting you at this point.

SPEAKER_15 32:38

So I mean my phone. I don't know, but okay, maybe not your phone.

SPEAKER_13 32:46

Maybe not your phone. But if you have a new phone, like my new phone, like my new iPhone, the 17, whatever, that shit it literally tells you as you turn it on, it has AI integrated into it. You go to Google, it has AI, Google. Like everything is AI. It's not they're no longer using an old software engine because it's obsolete. It's time to start moving forward. Now, the industry is taking it leaps forward by actually removing you know workers. That's the other side that people that I didn't speak on, but I gotta say it now before we move on. With easier shortcuts to get to that part, you know that there's gonna be job cuts and there's not gonna be that much jobs in those industries, and blah blah blah. We understand that stuff. Um but you know, as jobs get easier, jobs go. It's just how life works, you know. When when you have a cleaning crew and then that cleaning crew gets a Roomba, you you probably don't need two of them to sweep the floor anymore. You know what I'm saying? It's just basically this is basically the the way it works, right? Uh, but let us know what you guys think. AI is here to stay. Moving on, Josh. This is not AI. And unfortunately, we're gonna have to follow this up with another Disney, uh, another Disney show, but it's not AI. Uh uh our man himself, bullseye himself, went on social media and shared a lot of this stuff, and because he shared it, Disney decided to share it as well. We got a new suit for Daredevil season three. Uh, we are sticking to the trend of getting little teases and little, you know, little leaks and all that stuff for these Daredevil seasons. Uh, we got the Jessica Jones, the Luke Cage, you know, all of them together, Iron Fist and whatnot. Now we're getting a new bullseye suit being showcased. And Josh, let me just tell you for me, it's chef's kiss. It looks amazing. It looks great. Uh, we got a helmet reveal as well. We got more pictures over here. Uh, we got him in his suit. We got the little bullseye lines underneath. The armor looks pristine. It looks really, really, really great. Uh, we got the helmet here, a closer look as well. A lot of people are saying that this might be a camera lens. We're getting first-person POV shots here. All right. Bullseye is uh he's becoming a parkour, and he's gonna be doing all kinds of crazy shit with his uh first-person POV uh camera. Uh, we have the backside of it here, looks great, amazing. Uh, he also showed the gloves. I couldn't find um the clip of him showing the gloves, unfortunately, but I mean you could kind of see them here. They have the little bullseye logo here, a little knife right here. Uh, knives all over the place, all over his armor. Looks great. Looks like he's doing a little reflecting over a pond or a river. Um, everybody's happy to show the suit off. Uh they were not hiding it. So, I mean, Josh, what do we think about the first look? A bullseye suit.

SPEAKER_17 35:43

I like the way it looks. I don't I kind of enjoy that it doesn't look like uh the classic, you know, spandex version. It reminds me of the more modern day Ultimate Comics version that came out a couple months ago. Um I like it. I enjoy the modern day look.

SPEAKER_13 35:59

Okay. Uh one thing that, you know, a lot of people pointed out, I thought it was pretty sick. We've been kind of doing this trend of these, you know, white eyes, um, white eyes for the mask, and everything like that. And it seems like Bullsey's going along with the trend. We're also getting these white eyes. Last time we seen it was with Wolverine, and you know, that caused a big stir up on Twitter and X, where it's like, oh, you see, DC, we can do white eyes. Batman should have white eyes in live action. It can do it, we could do it. Um, that's totally a different conversation. I don't know if you want to touch on that maybe when we're about to move on, but you know, white eyes here. We had them with Wolverine. How do how do we how we feel about that new trend coming in?

SPEAKER_17 36:43

It's cool to like have it for the moment, but I still think faceless is the way to go, you know what I mean? I mean, we've been having I mean Charlie uh Daredevil hasn't hasn't had wide eyes, and his suit does in the comics, but his eyes are still like blackened out, the cover. So I mean it works, you know what I mean? It it works. Can't be mad that that it works, it's just it just depends on how they use, you know what I mean? Like they're not even CGI in that one. They that actually looks legit. I know they had a CGI Deadpools. Wolverines is probably CGI, he pulls it over, and you can tell it's kind of like CGI.

SPEAKER_13 37:26

Um so if they make it practical and profile to figure out how to use the white eyes with practical, that'd be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_17 37:34

Yeah, and some people, you know, some actors can pull it off, some can't. I just think uh I think Batman, you need to see his eyes because he's meant to sometimes be a little tragic. Um it just depends.

SPEAKER_13 37:53

Like, you know, he could show it through the cow, but you know, in live action, the cow doesn't move, you know. That's the thing.

SPEAKER_15 37:57

Right, right, right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 37:59

So um, but yeah, that's a that's a like I said, it's totally different side. You know, we're kind of snubbing in a little bit of DC here, but yeah, I I gotta say, Marvel's been kind of, you know. I hate to do this, but we gotta do it. I gotta do it. You know, Marvel has been at a consistent pace, you know. At one point, Marvel was the consistent leader, right? Always winning, never losing, and then they became the consistent loser, losing all the fucking time, lost everything.

SPEAKER_12 38:30

Now we're kind of at a point where you know, we're kind of it's over, it's back, it's over, but we're back, and then we're over again, and then we're now, you know, now we're back.

SPEAKER_13 38:40

Josh, as close as consistency consistency as we can get as of right now, are we back? I don't know. Season two wasn't my favorite. The back end.

SPEAKER_17 38:53

I liked it. I like season two. We got season two, we got 97 coming out, which I love the first season of um Spider-Man. The only one that scares me now is just the iceberg that could be Doomsday.

SPEAKER_18 39:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_17 39:11

So I mean like they're reshooting. The Rooster Brothers put out the Lavarian flag and all that stuff, and what a potential look at Doom at Doctor Doom. So that's cool. But you then you hear on the front that some characters are going back to London for reshoots.

SPEAKER_12 39:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 39:30

So we're we're like halfway there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 39:35

I think the main story's done. I think right now what they're doing is probably like the the cameos and stuff, like how they're integrating them and whatnot. I don't think that they're really doing too much on the story because it it seems like they were very much locked and uh they understood the assignment when it came down to you know that part. Um I do think when you add so many cameos, you don't know where to place them and you don't know how to introduce them 110% of the way when you're you know making these kinds of big movies. I'm assuming cameo fest, it's gonna be cameo porn all over the place. Um, so I that's what I would assume these reshoots. I I did hear about the reshoots, and when I read about it, that's why I didn't want to bring them up too much, but I just felt like there was just you know the cameos and fanfare and all that stuff needs to be corrected a little bit. So I don't know. Right. I don't know. Uh but we'll have to wait and see.

SPEAKER_17 40:30

Yeah, we have to wait and see. But other than that, I mean I would say we're at a steady pace of oh, you know, just we're just enjoying the vibe right now. We're not back or dead, we're just enjoying what's what they're putting out.

SPEAKER_13 40:42

Hmm. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_17 40:47

Like like I don't think we're at a definitive place yet of like if we're back or not. Because some stuff is hit or miss. Like I think last year we had a couple misses. So like I'm not gonna be here, I'm not gonna be like soups and hype of every project, but I know I enjoy Daredevil. I'm going I'm hoping to enjoy X-Men because I like the first season. Spider-Man, everyone likes Spider-Man. Everyone's like, oh, is he gonna outperform Supergirl? And I'm like, it's Spider-Man. In what world is a Superman character of anybody outperforming Spider-Man? It's never gonna happen.

SPEAKER_13 41:25

Superman himself could probably do it.

unknown 41:27

I don't believe that.

SPEAKER_13 41:28

If you had a good act, if you had Henry Cavill, I see it.

SPEAKER_17 41:36

I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 41:39

That's not a diss to him, that's just me being real.

SPEAKER_17 41:43

Maybe. I don't know. But then yeah, Doomsday. Doomsday's the only one that sounds like a problem.

SPEAKER_13 41:51

Okay, okay. I I did I didn't want to bring these ones up too much, but I thought this was kind of funny. Um we also got Spider-Man, Spider-Man, uh, you know, brand new day pictures as well. You know, uh moving on from the bullseye stuff. If you guys check out the pictures, let us know what you guys think about that. Season three is gonna be coming around the corner. Um, but you know, along with that, with the Spider-Man pictures, a lot of people are saying that we are back. And I understand that we're probably enjoying the vibes, at least, you know, we don't want to jinx it, you know, uh anymore. I think some people, when they were like, Oh, we're so back, we kind of jinxed it a little bit, tripped it up a little bit, right? Um, but we did get these pictures. We see, you know, Tom Holland in here with these uh webs and everything. Uh we're hearing probably organic webbing and you know him kind of mutating into more of a spider, right? Uh, we have MJ right here. A lot of people were kind of hyping up the red hair for MJ. We're getting some redheaded MJ in this one.

SPEAKER_16 42:48

I don't know if you were a fan of I didn't really care. I didn't really care.

SPEAKER_13 42:55

Yeah, I think you had more of a problem with Zendaya being MJ, right?

SPEAKER_17 42:59

Right. Like as a whole. The hair color was never the issue. Right.

SPEAKER_13 43:05

I don't think we cared about the red. I it was just more of the whole person. The whole person was the problem, right? Um, and I can kind of agree with that. I don't I don't think the red hair was my issue. It was more why is Zendaya MJ?

SPEAKER_17 43:18

I guess we got I guess how much different can she be? Her hair is red.

SPEAKER_13 43:26

Well, she doesn't know Tom Holland either, technically, so she could probably, you know, more chops. I don't know. Uh, we're gonna get back to this picture, but we do have the Punisher. We do have Spider-Man right here, um, right next to him as well. Um, oh, it is a lax picture, so we're gonna talk about it now. Now, this picture right here is the one that confused me because I watched this, I seen this one on the you know, on a bigger outlet. I had to pull it up on my phone and everything like that. Spider Man looks odd in this photo. Like odd. And I thought John Berth looked a little odd. I I was like the muzzle flash, but I'm like, he's probably in this picture. And they probably CGI'd the muscle flash or whatever. But then they also just took a picture of Spider-Man and just slowly dragged him right here on the side, it feels. I don't know. This one was kind of like a weird photo to me when I was like, badly photoshopped?

SPEAKER_17 44:14

Like, oh, we can't just have Frank shooting the gun because it's a Spider-Man's movie, and his his special came out almost a month ago now.

SPEAKER_13 44:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 44:25

So I mean, maybe they just couldn't do that. I can I can get behind that. Because why else would Spider-Man be in the photo? Like, what is he supposed to be doing? Stopping Frank? Is he running at bad guys? Like, what could he be doing? You know?

SPEAKER_13 44:36

Uh yeah, we got a little synopsis for it where they were saying that um apparently Frank's gonna be the Frank that we've been wanting all along. Where he's like, you know, he's gonna be the unstoppable force trying to you know kill all these, you know, the hand people and all that stuff, and Spider-Man's gonna try to stop him from killing all these people.

SPEAKER_17 44:54

It's just like, man, you gotta worry about the Hulk, which is already kind of being spoiled, you know what I mean, in in all kinds of toys and art.

SPEAKER_13 45:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 45:04

Kind of kind of fucked up, but I guess, you know.

SPEAKER_13 45:07

Supposedly we might get a gray Hulk.

SPEAKER_17 45:10

Right. We're done with smart Hulk. You know what the world needs? Joe fix it.

SPEAKER_13 45:18

I think they're gonna do that. I think they're gonna use it as not like as that one. I think they're gonna more use it as like that um that what is it? The the the car to basically drive the oh, you know, we can't coexist anymore, and blah blah blah. We have to we have to split up again or whatever, and you know, eventually Gray's gonna go back to green, but whenever, you know, uh Rage Hulk is back and all that.

SPEAKER_18 45:43

Right.

SPEAKER_13 45:45

So I mean, I think that's probably gonna be the case. I I'm I'm trying not to spoil this movie 100%, so take it with a grain of salt. We don't know if that's actually gonna happen, but that's just that's just kind of like what I would think Marvel would use it for. I don't think we'd actually get the hat and the Tommy gun and you know, mob boss, gray Hulk, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think that's what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_17 46:06

When Universal doesn't want shit to do with Hulk, dude, I'd hope they wouldn't commit to something that fucking big.

SPEAKER_13 46:12

Yeah, yeah. I mean shit. They're they're looking at Spider-Man War like, hmm, maybe we can do something like that for Peacock, you know what I'm saying? Give give Hulk a little mob bossing, you know how much money that's gonna be. You get Edward Norton back, take my money.

SPEAKER_17 46:31

Yeah, but Dan, he doesn't want the money either, so I think the pictures are great. I think everything about this movie looks pretty cool. I don't I really don't know where the fuck MJ with red hair is supposed to fix, you know, the issues, but yeah, man, sure.

SPEAKER_13 46:47

Yeah, a lot of people really like that though. A lot of people are like oh yeah, man.

SPEAKER_17 46:51

Let's let's take the LeBron we know from the Cavaliers to the Lakers. That changes him. That that fucking, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_13 46:58

It's not even changing him teams, you just give him dreads or something, and oh, it's a different LeBron for sure. I I don't know. I don't know. But this one is uh these pictures are interesting. This Photoshopped one was kind of a funny one for me because I was just like in a world of AI, in a world with AI and AI conversations, we're pulling this kind of shit. It's it's crazy to me sometimes. It's crazy. Uh, but let us know what you guys think. Check out the photos right now. Spanish man, brand new day, has some new photos on Empire. Um, they look really good. They look really good. Josh, we're moving on. Tom Hardy is apparently not returning for season three, or is he of Moblands? So uh Tom Hardy has been over this past week let go from Moblands. Uh there was a lot of rumors saying that you know he will not be returning for season three. Uh due to due to the fact that he is just a headache to work with as an actor. Um uh season one was great. I watched season one, I've been waiting for season two to come out. Um he is the best part, but him and uh Brosnan or uh not Brosnahan, um the dude that played um played Dr. Fate. Brosn Brosnan. Brosnan. There you go. I was saying Brosnanham like Rachel Brosnan. Brosnan. Um like them two are great on screen, so I really, you know, I was waiting for season two. Uh when I heard the news that he was not gonna be returning for season three, I was like, Well, what the fuck? Like, we haven't even gotten season two yet. Like, what's happening, Paramount? What are we doing over there? Apparently, during the course of season two, he was actively late. He was uh he was apparently creatively creatively involved, overly involved. Um, he would you know change up things, he would show up to work late. Um if he apparently um if he made it to work, sometimes I guess he just chose not to, that apparently uh but it's just it's just been a kind of a difficult ride for him. And we've heard these rumors before. I mean, Charlie Ther Therion had basically said some rumors about this back when Mad Max Fairy Road was being filmed, that he was just a headache to work with. Um and that's just basically what happened. So he was basically let go. Even Helen Morena, she's she's been in the show as well. Uh, she came out and you know, showed support for him on on uh Instagram, so that's pretty cool. Uh a couple days later, about a day, a day and a half later, uh, it came out that he was not fired. Uh, they brought him there, are and I thought the wording was crazy because Deadline basically puts out here saying that he was not why uh he was not fired. And Paramount, what they're basically saying is that Tom was not fired, the door is not closed for season three, things are being worked through creatively. Uh a source close to production basically said saying that you know he's a movie star or he's a he's a star, right? And stars are hard to work with, basically, and movie stars are basically uh difficult. Movie stars are basically difficult to work with uh in general. So this tells me that he was fired, right? Paramount's trying to say face after the backlash. You know, a lot of people love Tom Hardy in this role. I mean myself included. A lot of backlash happened, and now there's talks to basically bring him back. So I do think he was fired because of the way that he was acting on set, but I think they realized like, hey, we don't have a show without him, so they kind of they kind of have to deal with him. I don't know how I feel about this one because Tom Hardy has kind of been the topic of conversation of you know being behind the scenes and just being a nuisance, right? Like, um, I understand that he is a movie star, he is difficult. Uh, we've heard rumors about Dwayne Johnson, and we had a you know, belt to ask to him, too. There's no reason for you to be pissing in a bottle because you don't want to take piss breaks, dude. That's fucking insane. At least Tom Artie's not doing shit like that. I, you know, we've heard that you know he does get passionate behind the scenes when it comes to creative things. Um, he does, you know, he does show up late when he is upset, from what we heard as well. So I know you haven't seen this show. I know you don't know uh too much about what this role kind of means to you know this show for a lot of fans and whatnot, but I mean, as a topic of conversation, Tom Hardy. How do we feel about him and his hijinks behind the scenes at least?

SPEAKER_17 51:38

If he's getting creatively involved, I mean, how much is he trying to take over?

SPEAKER_13 51:44

Like if he wants to he's he's I mean, he's always hands-on, you know that. Like, he's he's not just an actor, he's gonna change the script, he's gonna he's gonna be a producer in the chair. Like, he that's just the way that he is. He's very much like, I need things the way that I like it, you know.

SPEAKER_17 52:01

Yeah, so I mean that could be a problem. And maybe the people running the show just aren't down with that. But why wouldn't if you were now you're working with a seat with an actor like of this magnitude, why wouldn't you take the advice? I don't know. It just depends. Like, I know we're not gonna get in any further detail about this stuff until you know something until some someone whistleblower probably blows this bitch out the water. But I don't see too much of an issue with this. And unless it was unless they're like, you know what, we're fed up with your shit, you're fired, you know what I mean, from a producer, probably. Maybe get behind this. But it seems like they're trying to find a way to make it work. My idea of making it work is that they're gonna basically dub him in, you know what I mean? So like they're you have a double, and then you have Rosnan, and then there'll be like camera cut talk, camera cut talk, but they're not in the same room type shit. That's kind of what I imagine.

SPEAKER_13 53:06

I don't like that kind of stuff. I mean, do you you think that could possibly be a thing? Like he's clashing with other actors as well. I mean, we haven't heard another one exit, and we saw, like I said, Helen Morin basically, you know, showed that she loved them and everything, that you know, that the support was there. Uh, I don't see, you know, Rosin, you know, what's his name? Rosen basically uh coming out and you know, going on the internet or anything and saying anything. So unless he leaves the show or something, then we'll know like maybe it was like a clashing in between. As of right now, they're kind of keeping it in between, like it was us in the studio, you know what I mean? Like the studio is trying to get the show done, and he's kind of like in the mix, not trying to, you know, uh either hindering it because he's doing it his way or hindering it because he's you know upset or something or not feeling it for that day, or something, you know what I mean. So um I don't know. I think this one's gonna have a little bit more to uncover if you know if anything does come. Uh, but I do think Tom Hardy has had a track record of this, and people still choose to work with him. So it shows that you know he's just a phenomenal actor.

SPEAKER_17 54:16

He's clear, he's clearly getting his way.

SPEAKER_13 54:18

Like um, it's good.

SPEAKER_17 54:20

Uh it kind of reminds me of when Sylvester Stallone was having problems with Tulsa King.

SPEAKER_13 54:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_17 54:25

And like, you know, it's their shows, so they kind of get the leeway, but at the same time, there's rules to the shit, so you can't just step over people.

SPEAKER_13 54:34

Well, yeah. I mean, an actor is gonna obviously, you know, that's just my thing. An actor is obviously gonna put in their way, and you know, they're they're they're actors, right? So if they feel like a script is kind of bogus, they're gonna want to, you know, switch it up. Now, if you're lower level, you don't have that pool to be like, hey, you know, we need to do it's kind of like what we saw in Wonder Man when he was over there trying to be like, oh, I think my motivation should be like this, because blah blah blah blah. You know, they fire your ass for shit like that if you're low level, right? But Tom Hardy, he's kind of proven himself, he's shown that you know he is the actor, he is that guy, even though he made three fucking venom movies that were kind of two of them were kind of ass, and one of them kind of was alright. Okay, man. Moving on from that, we didn't hear any set problems there, right? Uh, but you know, we are having this recurring issue with Tom Hardy's. He's kind of in the same boat with Dwayne Johnson, but we kind of hear a little bit that he does wrong behind the scenes and then they brush it underneath because he's just a phenomenal actor. Um they do that for Dwayne Johnson too. I saw the roast the other day, too. Kind of gets on my nerves. Okay. Um, but yeah. Let us know what you guys think, though. Let us know if you've watched Mobland. Are you a fan of Tom Hardy on that show? Would you have just rather him uh depart so we can get maybe these seasons a little bit more, you know. That I think that's another reason why for me too is that like these seasons are coming out a little bit later than usual. Because you know, Tom Hardy is kind of the guy who's gonna make sure that it's perfect before it's put out, and if he doesn't feel like it's good, he's gonna be the kind of guy to step in the way and blah blah blah blah blah. Um, so I mean, I don't know. Let us know what you think. If you want him gone or you, you know, you like what he brings, it's it's it's all up to you guys. Let us know. Let us know. I don't know. I'm kind of torn between this one because he is a good actor, but I don't like the hijinks behind the scenes. I don't like it. I don't like it. We'll have to move on though. Uh Josh, Black Panther rumors are back on the table, and we're probably feasting a little bit. We've probably feasted. Um, so Black Panther, we've heard about this rumor for a while. We've heard different names getting put into the rotation. A lot of people are saying we're gonna see him in Secret Wars, we're probably gonna see him in Doomsday. Um, I my money's a little bit on Doomsday. Uh, maybe seeing uh a cameo or something uh involved in there when we're multiverse jumping and stuff like that, but we're not gonna see a full-blown recasting of T'Challa until maybe Secret Wars. That's just my opinion. I don't know, Josh. Do you think we'll see him somewhere else in the future?

SPEAKER_17 57:06

Besides we'll probably get variants. We'll probably get variants throughout Doomsday and Secret Wars, and then that that one will show up or whatever. Uh, because I don't think they're gonna age up, unless they age up the kid, you know, and then you know he's our Black Panther, but yeah, that's what I imagine. We'll probably get variants of different actors trying out the suit and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_13 57:29

Okay. Uh two actors that are basically being rumored to be in the running are A John David Washington, which we all know that's Danzale's son, right? We've seen him in um which one was it? It was with uh that really good director who made the Jurassic Park movie that was not so good. Gareth Edwards. Oh, fucking yeah, the creator. The creator. Um, he was in the creator, and Dame Dameson Idris is also in the running. So those two contenders, uh John David Washington and Dameson Idris. Uh Dameson Idris I think he was in face. I've seen his face because we've talked about him before, but I don't think I've actually seen him in anything. Yeah, he was in F1, so I mean if you enjoyed him in F1, I know you've seen that that film. Um he was in Farnest. Snowfall outside the wire and snowfall. I don't think I've seen Snowfall. Have you seen Snowfall?

SPEAKER_17 58:28

I saw like the first season. I want to get back to it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_13 58:32

Is decent, is worth it.

SPEAKER_17 58:34

Yeah, I would say it's worth it.

SPEAKER_13 58:38

So yeah, uh Dameson Idris, and then we also got John David Washington. I would say John David Washington just because I know him and I I kind of like his acting, and he's Denzel's son. So if we can't get Denzel in the MCU, at least we get something, you know. We get his offspring in there, right? We get we get his working Nepo baby in that bitch. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_17 59:02

I don't know, man. I don't know. I'm kind of rocking with Damson Idris, especially since we got that little leaked photo.

SPEAKER_13 59:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_17 59:10

I can I could see it.

SPEAKER_13 59:13

I will say he does kind of resemble a little bit more to, you know, um T'Challa Ryan uh not Ryan Googler, um Chadwick Bozeman's T'Challa. He kind of he would look more to me as a younger version of that of that version of T'Challa. And obviously if he were to grow up, he'd more than likely look like something like this. Uh where John David Washington, in my opinion, just does not look nothing like that. It would just be a it would be a complete 180 from what we would think Black Panther looks like. Am I right? I kind of feel like you know, Chadwick Bozeman kind of made a lane for it for the MCU movie. So if we do something that kind of looks too off, I mean I guess they're the rumors gotta be right because they they're actively trying to get somebody close to what he looks like. And I'm I'm not saying John David Washington looks like him, but he's he's close. The closest one has to be uh Dameson, though.

SPEAKER_16 1:00:20

Right. That's that's my pick. That's why I agree with I can see that.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:26

But if we get like a variant of him or something, acting chops-wise.

SPEAKER_17 1:00:31

Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_13 1:00:32

John David Washington, bro. You can't you stop playing with me. The creator was good. I like the creator. Have you seen Tenet? Was oh I'm pulling the card, I'm pulling the card, I'm pulling the card. Was Dameson Idris in a Christopher Nolan film? No, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_17 1:00:50

No, but isn't that like his most controversial film?

SPEAKER_13 1:00:54

Yeah, yeah, it's the one that a lot of people say it was a waste of time. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:59

So, I mean look, alright, I'm gonna pull the card. If you were paying attention to the movie, it wouldn't be so confusing. That's right. I said it.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:10

You are you're you're expecting people to pay attention, bro? Are you seeing what's happening with the backrooms and the obsession fucking movie experiences right now? Have you seen all that over Twitter?

SPEAKER_13 1:01:22

Apparently they suck.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:24

Kids are fucking going up in there talking, flashing their lights, eating sushi, shit like that, bro. You expect these motherfuckers to pay attention? I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:42

No, you're right. But you just prove my case even more, John. Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:47

Watch F1. You watch F1, I will watch Tenet, and we can revisit this conversation.

SPEAKER_13 1:01:53

Okay, you're gonna I already know. I already know what this tenant conversation is gonna be like. I already know. You're gonna be like bullets flying backwards and shit like that. What the fuck are we doing here? It's gonna be crazy. I already know. But you okay, I'm down. I'm down. Okay. What do I gotta watch for?

SPEAKER_17 1:02:08

F1.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:09

F1. What is he who does?

SPEAKER_17 1:02:10

I'm not gonna make you watch the entirety of Snowfall. He's the he he's the he's basically because you like a um Brad Pitt. No, no, no. Brad Pitt is like the older season driver, and he's basically the young buck that's famous and all that stuff. So they have they have a nice little rivalry.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:33

Uh okay, all right, cool. All right. If you're gonna tell me to watch it and he's just like the the coach or like a suit designer or something, then it's like okay, no.

SPEAKER_17 1:02:41

But if he's like an he actively plays a hand.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:45

Okay, all right. I'll I will watch it, and then you gotta watch Tenet. I believe it's Home Warner Brothers, I believe, on Mac, so you can watch it later. I literally bought it on Blu-ray because I was like, I gotta watch this movie to see what people are talking about, and I get it. It's a very ambitious movie for Christopher Nolan. It's just more of a I feel like people will revisit it later and not not anytime soon. I would probably in like 2035 or something that people were like are gonna be like, wow, tenant was a game-changing movie, but we just didn't know it yet and shit like that. That's 10 years down the road, nine years down the road, as of the time of recording. So clock it, clock it, clock it's okay, man.

SPEAKER_18 1:03:29

Okay, bro, okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:03:32

Let us know what you guys think, though. Who do you guys think should be playing the new T'Challa in the MCU? And when do you think we will get a full-blown reboot of T'Challa in the MCU? Do you think Doomsday, Secret Wars, or anytime later? I mean, do you think we'll get a little cutscene at the end of brand new day where all you hear is you know, doop doop doop doop doop doop and it goes to black, you know what I mean? Maybe that'd be pretty cool. Maybe that'd be pretty cool. That'd be that'd get people hyped up, I'm pretty sure. But how would we make a connection to Wakanda from brand new day? That's for somebody else to figure out. Let us know what you guys think. Moving on, Josh. We're gonna start with the Netflix film I am Frank Frank Elda. I am Frank Elda. Uh, this is uh stop motion film made in Mexico. It was one of their first, I believe. Uh, and Guillermo del Toro used this trailer to drag Jose Guterres or Jorge Guterres through the mud when all that AI stuff was happening. He put this uh video up and said made by humans for humans. This is the video, this is the trailer that he basically put up. What an asshole. But you did make that new Frankenstein movie. So I mean and you know, the shape of the shape of water, that one was pretty good too. Scary things to know. You know what, Gilmo? You get one, but we got Frank Adela here, all right. He's over here pushing the Netflix agenda as another point deduct that I gotta say. I gotta say, but Josh, uh, this is uh gonna be a stop motion one, and like I said, the contrast from talking about AI to actually coming to stop motion here should be a breath of fresh air for you, especially being on the opposite side of this whole AI thing. So let's get into this one and you let me know what you guys, or at least what you think of, especially it coming from Netflix.

SPEAKER_19 1:06:07

Let me tell you my candy. We're in danger of disappearing. I wanted to ask if you'd like to be the water like anything. Come with me, Francisco.

SPEAKER_17 1:07:22

You know, a little cheesy, little campy, but exactly the way it's supposed to be.

SPEAKER_13 1:07:30

I gotta say, this Well they I would have probably made this in like an hour. Just kidding. Uh but like I look, Tim Burden has done this. I mean, I'm not gonna expect, you know, people to be on Tim Burden's level and all that stuff, but this stuff looks like adult swim animation, like robot chicken animation. Guillermo del Toro using this as a slam dunk is kind of odd to me because it's not the best looking trailer, and let's just be honest, the story being based on what I could tell love and AI because you're bringing an outsider to tell the stories and blah blah blah blah blah and we tell the stories here, whatever, blah blah blah. Like I understand the analogies here off rip. We get that. Um It looks it looks okay, I guess. I just I don't know. If this is the I didn't check out the trailer when he did it as a slam dunk, so the fact that I'm checking it out now and I'm just like I was hoping that it were gonna get like some phenomenal stuff so I could just be like, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 1:08:34

It was the first go. You can't expect that, bro. It even either for someone's first go, it doesn't look it doesn't even look that bad. But this is the way we're this is the thing. Because I'd rather take this looking as it does versus an AI slot machine or something.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:00

He made uh in nineteen eighty-two a short film called Vincent. Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:31

He's always polite and does what he's told. For a boy his age, he's considerate and nice. But he wants to be just like Vincent Price.

SPEAKER_13 1:09:51

Alright, off that little clip that was Tim Burden's Vincent made in 1982. First stop motion short film from him. Josh.

SPEAKER_17 1:10:05

What do you mean? He was n that was simple stuff. He was not moving as dynamic as his trailer was, dude. Come on.

SPEAKER_13 1:10:11

No, no, no, no, no. Clearly not. But the movements and you know the fluidity that came with it, there's a co there's a difference there. There's a little bit of a difference there. Now, I'm am I trying to compare this to the the great Tim Burden? Yes, yes, because like I said, it's it's one of those things where it's like stop motion, we've seen stop motion, and I think we've seen some decent stop motion these past few years. I mean, uh I can't name a couple off the top of my head, but we've had some good projects where we've had stop motion. I'm not saying that this is terrible, but it's just not I'm I guess it's because I'm looking at it through the lens of what Gilmo the Toro basically used it for, and that was like the slam dunk against AI, and I just gotta say it doesn't look any better as of right now. So will I watch it? Maybe but it just doesn't, it's not hidden like I I was expecting it to be.

SPEAKER_16 1:11:11

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:14

If I'm on the wrong side of history, I guess.

SPEAKER_16 1:11:18

Yeah, no, I guess, yeah.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:20

Alright, wait, will you be checking this out? It was made for you.

SPEAKER_16 1:11:24

Yeah, I'm probably checking out.

SPEAKER_13 1:11:26

Alright, check out the trailer. I am Frank Frank Elda. I am Frank Elda. Let us know what you guys think. It's out on YouTube right now. Moving on. Josh, we have Primetime, a Chrin Hansen film starring uh Robert Pattinson. He's supposed to be playing Chris Hansen. Uh it's supposed to be about a bunch of stories. This movie is basically based on that. And an A24 film making a Chris Hansen movie. I didn't check out this trailer. I've been seeing little clips here and there about it. Um obviously about like Robert Pattinson and whatnot, but I'm kind of interested to see if this movie is gonna go all the way down the road of like why the show was cancelled too.

SPEAKER_17 1:12:14

Uh I heard why the show was cancelled for real.

SPEAKER_13 1:12:17

I know, that's what I'm saying. Like there's rumors.

SPEAKER_17 1:12:19

Yeah, I hope I hope they at least yeah, I hope they touch up on it. Otherwise, what's the point? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_13 1:12:26

We'll have to wait and see, but let's see what kind of uh what kind of I guess what Chris Hansening we're gonna be getting from Robert Pattinson. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:38

What would have happened if I wasn't here? You see how this looks.

SPEAKER_13 1:13:42

I mean, I think uh I think the tone is perfect for what we're doing here. But I'm just like, this was like a I I never seen an episode be this dark. It was just like I feel like in this movie we're gonna like grab one of these predators and like every arm and limb is gonna be tied to horses and we're gonna like pull them apart or something. Like it doesn't I've never seen an episode of of uh to catch a predator like that. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just not been that kind of show. So that's kind of a different trailer for me.

SPEAKER_17 1:14:15

Yeah, it kinda reminds it kind of just it kind of sets a different tone. It kind of reminds me of uh Nightcrawler.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:22

Oh, okay, yeah. Good pool. I like that. Yeah, that's a good that's a good one. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_17 1:14:30

Yeah, so that's what I'm thinking. Uh I I think it looks good though. I like it.

SPEAKER_13 1:14:36

You gotta watch that actor in the night of, and then you gotta watch him in Nightcrawler and just a back-to-back showing and just watch him just go ham. I wonder where he went. He got his bag and just disappeared. Crazy. Um, but yeah. Uh this was this trailer looks really good. Uh got me really invested. I don't even think I need another trailer. Like, off this trailer alone, I'm pretty much. It looks really good, yeah. Yeah. And to be honest, what's his name? What's his name? No, not him. I'm trying to think of Jimmy Olson as a predator.

SPEAKER_17 1:15:08

Considering James Gunn kind of portrayed him as a womanizer, I you know, kind of fitting the bill.

SPEAKER_13 1:15:14

Just just little smidge in there. I don't know. It's kind of crazy. But let us know what you guys think. Primetime trailer is out right now. Let us know. Let us know. Uh moving on, Josh, we have X-Men 97 season two trailer. This is the trailer I have been waiting for. Um, not because I'm anticipating the show, unfortunately. But if you guys know, and you guys have been listening to these episodes, uh the one of the show creators was unceremoniously fired and went on a rampage on the internet to basically prove his innocence. Uh, even though that innocence was not proven, um, he was uh basically advocating that he was the sole force for this show, that without him uh the first season wouldn't have been as great as it was, because uh a lot of his ideas were from him and not from Disney, because if it was up to Disney, they wouldn't have included a good chunk of the ideas that he did. Um, and so season two was kind of looked at as, you know, is it gonna be as good? Because we did lose this guy, and he was this guy who's basically saying that was the guy who made this the show basically successful, right? So here we are, season two. And uh like I said, despite him being gone, Disney probably he did say that he had a plan up until season three. But uh, you know, obviously Disney being Disney is not gonna take a hundred percent of his plans if they already thought some of it from the first season were not good. But the first season came out to be extremely amazing. A lot of people really loved it. Uh but uh I guess the question here for you before we watch this trailer is Are you excited for this? Does any of the comments that he made from the first season coming out and obviously him being that driving force and saying that he is? I don't want to say his name and give it more light because he has been off the internet for a while now. Um, but he did say that he was the reason why the first season was successful, he's not gonna be here. Are you expecting anything different from this? Are you thinking Disney is gonna basically plummet this show, tank this show with season two, or do you have high hopes for this season still, uh regardless of everything surrounding it?

SPEAKER_17 1:17:34

I think he said that he basically had two season two mapped out. So I'm thinking we're still gonna get a little bit of his influence this season two, and you know Marvel isn't above stealing people's ideas, right? And then, you know, kind of shitting the bed. You know what I mean? So maybe I think season two either still has some of his juice in it, and then like by the end of it, we'll kind of get some Disney bullshit, or season two is all good, and then season three is where we gotta worry.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:10

Okay, and uh I guess your worry meter from one to ten, ten being the worriest that you could be. How worried are you of of this season, season two?

SPEAKER_17 1:18:20

Seven.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:23

I I really like the first season. I I you know exactly what you said. Disney's not above stealing ideas. Disney I mean, we've heard this with Ant-Man, and you know, obviously Ant-Man and the Wasp did not live up to the hype of the first Ant-Man, unfortunately. Um though it was still pretty decent. Um it just it just did not hit the same cylinders, right? So I am kind of worried. I would say like a good 7-8 seven-eight about this show. Uh, only because I don't know if he's actually that driving force. Could he have totally been lying? A hundred percent. He could have been like, I know all these ideas, and Disney's not gonna argue with him and just let it go or whatever, but he could be or he could not be. Let's check out this trailer and let's see if you know, if we get that same hype feeling that we got with the first X-Men season.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:12

It's hard to believe what's not waiting for me.

SPEAKER_17 1:21:11

So that savage Wolverine stuff is immediately gonna just get thrown out the window, huh?

SPEAKER_13 1:21:16

The what the what?

SPEAKER_17 1:21:18

The savage Wolverine stuff. People were like, oh, when he gets his rep his skeleton ripped out, he becomes more savage. I don't think we're getting that. That's unfortunate. Because I was very much let down by the lack of Wolverine in season one. Man, like he's he was getting bitched and everything, and yeah, no. I'm not fucking with that.

SPEAKER_13 1:21:42

I think uh I think a lot of people are trying to not put Wolverine in the background, but I think they're trying to put him in not so high of a pedestal anymore, and they're trying to showcase all the X-Men. I think they're trying to make it like where Wolverine's not the main X-Men guy anymore, which all my life I've known Wolverine before I even knew the X-Men. You know what I'm saying? Like Wolverine was introduced to me before I even knew who the X-Men were. So I think that that's kind of weird, but I do understand that Disney wants to kind of showcase every X-Men, so it's not just Wolverine as the leader, and Cyclops can actually be the leader.

SPEAKER_17 1:22:28

Unfortunately. But I like the trailer. I think it looks pretty good. I kinda like I like it.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:33

Uh it does look decent. Um, I don't know if I don't know if it's me, if I'm tripping, but like does the animation look a little bit different?

SPEAKER_17 1:22:42

The budget probably dropped, maybe.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:44

Either that or they're just rushing more than what the first season was, right?

SPEAKER_17 1:22:50

Because I wanna say I think there's like a four-year difference. That's just shadows, mean. You gotta find a brighter frame. Hold on. I think it looks about the same.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:00

If anything, I think it probably looks a little more polished.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:03

No. This looks more polished. This looks like I'm not saying invincible animation, I'm saying like they are missing the final touches that this has. You know what I mean? Like this looks like it has like the extra coating to make it look more smooth. And this seems like it's still in animation form. Am I tripping?

SPEAKER_16 1:23:27

I think it's tripping.

SPEAKER_13 1:23:30

Nah, I'm not. I don't think I am. I think the animation does it took its little step down now. I can step back and say this is the first trailer. They're probably doing a little bit more polishing and all that stuff. But considering that this was our first trailer, and this, and I mean you can argue and be like, well, you know, they probably had time to finish that one because they didn't release it until it was actually ready. And this one, you know, you you gotta make it in the second season, and then you gotta give a release date, and you gotta make that release date, and it's not always gonna be as polished, blah blah blah blah. Like I can ar I can get that argument, but as of right now, I mean, compared to this trailer, you it's a I mean it looks epic, it looks like it's gonna be like a grand story, but my eyes were kind of distracted by the animation because I remember this trailer had me because of the animation. The crispiness, the the the crazy, like uh the crazy feats that we're kind of seeing in this trailer were crazy. It was cool, and it the animation looked amazing. That's what really drew me in back to the first season of X-Men.

SPEAKER_14 1:24:36

The animation for this one it's look look at the look at look at Cyclops, it doesn't look the same. I just had Cyclops up too. I literally just oh this one.

SPEAKER_17 1:24:48

He has shadows and a different visor and stuff.

SPEAKER_13 1:24:51

Different visor, but I'm talking about the animation. Look at the the an look at the animation. Look at look how he looks here. Look at him. You see him? It looks gritty, it looks darker, but the animation is not there. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, the shadows and everything, like the tone and everything, it looks gritty and darker. Obviously, the uh we in the trailer it said the height of uh apocalypse's rule, so this is probably gonna be in that kind of like era or whatever. But like the animation, look at the the look at the animation versus uh the first season. It's different. It's different. It's it's taken a step down. Like I said, could it be because you don't have enough time? I think you're trying to go to the overworked, underpaid part that I said earlier.

SPEAKER_12 1:25:39

That's okay.

SPEAKER_17 1:25:40

Still better animation than invincible though, so it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_13 1:25:43

Uh you know what? That's all you had to say. That's all you had to say, play it. Dab me up. That's all you had to say. I'm with you 100%. Better animation than Invincible. Uh, and so I will probably be checking out the season. Hopefully, if the next uh if I get another trailer and it's more polished up, but I distinctly remember watching the first trailer, and I was like, this animation looks so good, I gotta watch this show. And it was really good. The animation on this one is not holding up to the first trailer of season one. Like I said, it could be different circumstances, and I understand that. But I had a certain quality that I was kind of expecting out of season two, and it's gonna it's not it's not here in the first trailer, unfortunately. Story-wise, it looks epic, it looks epic, like it's gonna be big. Um, I do think the f the cool part about the first season was the subtlety of like seeing what's happening within the X-Men and everything like that. So us kind of going from that in the first season to now this full-blown apocalypse war.

SPEAKER_16 1:26:48

Nice little change of pace.

SPEAKER_13 1:26:50

Little change of pace? I think that we ran the opposite direction. I think we completely ran a different direction than what we were getting in the first season. Because it felt like it was the eternal thing with the X-Men and obviously Magneto and all that stuff, and then the outside forces were kind of threatening whatever was happening on the inside. And now this time it seems like the outside forces are more threatening than what's happening between them.

SPEAKER_17 1:27:17

Well, they're clearly dealing with their own stuff, but they they they all gotta get back to each other before you know all that stuff can continue, but yeah.

SPEAKER_18 1:27:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_13 1:27:34

Worry level went up to like a like a like like a like uh eight point five. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. This one did not hit like the first season. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't wanna be the Debbie downer. Josh, where's your hype level? Tell me now before we move on.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:51

Eight eight?

SPEAKER_13 1:27:53

Okay, your worry level's still the same? Six Let us know more. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I really I like when you try to keep your optimism, but sometimes there's like it's in the face, and I'm just like, Josh, your optimism needs to stop.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:12

It's the same thing. You're smoking credit. You're smoking credit. But let us know what you guys think.

SPEAKER_13 1:28:18

Check out the trailer, X-Men 97 season two. Um it's it's gonna be coming out. Check it out. Let us know what you guys think. I need to know. Check out the first trailer of season one, check out this trail first trailer of season two, and let me know if the animation has went different or am I tripping? Josh is making me feel like I'm crazy here. Let us know. Let us know. Uh moving on, Josh, we have another Netflix film in the hand of Dante. This one has uh uh Oscar Isaac, Gal Gadot, Gerard Butler, John Malkovich, uh Lewis Cancelini, uh, so on and so forth. Marcus Corsese, Al Pacino, Jason Momoa, this stacked cast that is crazy. Netflix look Netflix is stepping up their game when it comes to you know actors and whatnot. Before we it would be hard to find an ensemble of casts like this on a Netflix thing. I think the closest we got was probably Ryan Johnson's Glass Onion. And then, you know, eventually, as you know, time goes on after the Sack Strike got last, we've been hearing a lot more talent signing on for you know Netflix projects and whatnot, and blah blah blah blah. This is a crazy roster. Is Netflix stepping up their game? Are they uh trying to show that they're going into a different ballpark? Were we wrong with this whole um you know merging of Warner Brothers to Netflix if this is like the route that they were trying to go? Now I haven't seen this trailer, I don't know if it's gonna be good. I know that they've been trying their hand at different things, they've had been forever, they're they their thing is about bringing content out and whatnot. But are we stepping into a different ballgame where they're actually gonna start giving us good good fucking movies? Because you can't get a roster of I would believe you can't get a roster of uh actors like this without a pretty much decent script to go with it.

SPEAKER_17 1:30:15

I don't know. Maybe I think anything's a possibility at this point. Um I just don't I mean half of them sound like they they need work anyway. Like Momoa, Scorsese, Scorsese's too old.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:33

Momoa's fucking lobo, man. He got work for days. He's fucking he's in the Minecraft 2 movie, man. He got work, bro. He got work. Galga Doe probably need work.

SPEAKER_16 1:30:43

Not good work.

SPEAKER_13 1:30:44

Oscar Isaac don't need work. Mark Scorsese, you know him, he he a goat, he just doing this for fun. Um who else was in this movie that I said? So it's kind of a long list. John Malkovich. He's he's a goat. Gerard Butler. He might need work. He his his picking of movies are not always the best, but you know, he makes the best with what he gets. Al Pacino?

SPEAKER_17 1:31:13

Also old. If this was the mob movie, I'm down. But for now, it sounds like a jumbled up mess full of people.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:23

Jason Momoa as a mobster?

SPEAKER_17 1:31:26

Oh, not him. Everybody anybody, everybody else but him.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:29

I was like, yeah? Oh my god, that'd be crazy. Imagine Gal Gado as a mobster. Her accent was crazy. I don't know. Let's check out this trailer though. Oh my god, you just made me. I'm looking forward to uh mobster Jason Momoa now. Let's see.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:50

Who's Dante? Who's Dante? Uh, a deity stronger than I who coming shall rule over me.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:12

I know it's coming so well. I feel like I look at myself. I do like to look at the root. It doesn't exist. If it did it exist, I may be the greatest library treasure of all time. It'd be quite less affordable.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:10

This is living good.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:20

Jason Momoa as a mobster. Marcus Verscase as a wizard. What is happening in this film? I don't get it. I do not understand anything that's happening in this film. But we got Jason Momoa as a mobster, and that's all I wanted. And here we are. I'm watching this film. Josh, you gotta watch it too. We're doing a review. We're gonna watch Jason Momoa as a role. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_17 1:34:39

I guess, man. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_14 1:34:43

I can't believe it happened. I can't believe it happened.

SPEAKER_15 1:34:46

That's not what I was expecting.

SPEAKER_13 1:34:49

You were expecting it, but you were hoping it wasn't gonna happen. I can't believe it happened. Oh my god. What is Martin Scorsese doing as a wizard in this film? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_17 1:35:04

Dude, I don't know. I didn't even see De Niro.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:07

There is no Robert De Niro. I don't know where you got that from.

SPEAKER_17 1:35:10

I thought there was.

SPEAKER_13 1:35:11

No, no, no. No. No Robert De Niro on this one. It is Martin Scorsese, Al Pacino, Jason Momo, Galgadot, Oscar Isaac, Gerard Butler, John Malkovich, Sabrina Impactory, Benjamin Clementine. Yeah, that was it. I mean, uh, no De Niro on this one, which I mean seems like he dodged the bullet here.

SPEAKER_18 1:35:33

You know?

SPEAKER_13 1:35:34

And you know, I I said Al Pacino didn't need work, but then I remember that he did say that he had to do the Adam Sandler film where like, you know, he's like a twin and stuff, and he did that only solely for money. So I feel like he'll do stuff for money. So that's a that's I gotta take that one back. But I will have to say, I I don't know what's happening in this film. I didn't not understand that one thing in this trailer. Um it was cool to see the different elements, and you know, it seemed like they were really trying to give us something magnificent. I I don't know. Josh, did you were you understanding? Did you get anything?

SPEAKER_17 1:36:10

I didn't get a shit, dude. I fucking I was like, okay, he has something that they that they have that's important. That paper manuscript thing. And then I'm assuming it leaks, and then like, oh gonna plug up the leak. But other than that, I'm not too sure. That could that's just my guess.

SPEAKER_13 1:36:30

Yeah. I was trying to figure it out. I wasn't 100% getting it, but that makes it even a better reason to watch it. You know, is this a is this a fake deep film from Netflix? Are they are they trying their hand at something where they can, you know, try to pull uh what is it, like an Academy Award kind of film, but don't have the real power behind it? I don't know. This movie just felt like they wanted to do something grand and extravagant with it, where like it's gonna be like talked about for time and time again, but it just the trailer just seemed mumbled and jumbled. Like it was just I mean, the it was cool showcasing the actors, but like Gal Gadot's line where it's like familiar is good, it's like home. I'm like I don't under wait, I don't I don't get that. Well like do I gotta watch the movie to get it? Is that what they're trying to tell me? Like you wanna understand more context, get your Netflix subscription right now. Like, go ahead. Holy shit. I don't know.

SPEAKER_17 1:37:32

Yeah, no. Why is it in black and white? Why is it somewhere in color and somewhere in black and white?

SPEAKER_13 1:37:39

I'm assuming at first I thought it was like, oh, the poem is like something that's like bringing him like a what is it, like a coming to Jesus moment? Like he's putting his, you know, it looks like he's like a Hollywood star trying to make it and he's trying to like put all that stuff to the side because you know he's probably getting into deep with a role, which is you know, the the whole lord role or whatever. And he's getting too involved, and it's getting to the point where like, you know, he's getting invested in his own and you know, he doesn't know what's real and what's fake anymore, and blah blah blah, and it gets to the point where it's like, oh now I'm you know, I am the guy. Like I'm you know, I'm beyond whatever I was before, you know what I mean? And that's that's the way I see it. Uh that's what I was getting out of this one. But I could be totally wrong. I just seem mumbled up a little bit. I don't know. We are gonna be doing a review though. So just be ready for this one, Josh. We are gonna do a review. We'll we're watching this one. Um, it's just more of a review be good. I hope it is. Netflix, you're on the fucking clock, bro. What the hell is this thing? I didn't I didn't get it. Let us know what you guys think, though. Check out the trailer in the hand of Dante. If you understand it, let us know. I don't get it. Josh, did you get it? We do not get it. We do not get it. Let us know what you guys think. Moving on to our final and last trailer. Josh, no, your eyes are not messed up. This is a real film. It is called Vertigo. It has been making its rounds through the film festivals. Apparently, it's a film made with PS3 graphics inspired by GTA uh uh Vice City graphics uh to make a movie called Vertigo. Um and it's supposed to be compelling, it's supposed to be great, apparently it's getting standing ovations. I don't know. I don't know. Josh, what a time we're living in. We are rejecting AI in order to get PS3 graphics. Josh! What are we doing? What are we doing?

SPEAKER_17 1:39:46

It's creative, it's creative, bro. It's creative. I don't know. I wouldn't expect something like this, but it's creative. Can't be mad at creative is being creative.

SPEAKER_13 1:39:57

I feel like we did this on YouTube back in like 2008.

SPEAKER_17 1:40:01

I don't know, man. I don't know.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:03

Alright.

SPEAKER_17 1:40:04

A full film from Blender and it looks like this. I don't know what they could be cooking.

unknown 1:40:09

Alright.

SPEAKER_13 1:40:10

Alright, well, let's check it out. Let's see if there's any acting chops behind it. And I mean, you know me. I'm a big animation person, and if it takes me out, you know, PS3 graphics, uh, GTA San Andreas looked amazing to me. Back in the day, it was like ahead of its time. But if I'm playing GTA 5 and then I go play that, it's gonna be a massive difference. I'm pretty sure when GTA 6 comes out, GTA 5 is gonna feel so obsolete. So it's gonna be, it's obviously it's gonna be a what is it? What is it called? What is it what is it called when it's like a it's gonna be like a shell shock to the system for me. Alright, let's check it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:51

Bruno? Yes. What this is gonna seem completely crazy at first, but you have to trust me. I am absolutely certain that the world we live in is not real. Okay, you took the mushroom. They are all fake. There is nothing real. Is this real or not? No, yes. It is worth 8,000 bucks, it must be real. I saw a baker who had eight fingers on each hand. We are in a fabricated world, and there are bugs hanging around. Honestly, I'm gonna be honest. This thing is pissing me off.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:32

Oh my god. Oh shit. Oh my, there it is, I'm losing my mind. Sure. Well, you see clearly. Ah, it's a gold too.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:40

Wait, there it is. We got a parent. You didn't see anything weird there. It's not where she gave birth. It's nature. Don't you get the concept of stimulation? I can see that. Of course I do. It's okay, it's good. Everything is real. I'm not stupid. No, nothing is real. Listen, you will be a truly exceptional mother. You're off to a great start.

SPEAKER_17 1:42:09

What the fuck was that? I mean, sure, man, sure. Only at the Keynes Festival will they be like, oh, this is so out of the box. You know, sure, sure, man, sure.

SPEAKER_13 1:42:24

Oh my. I can kind of see, I mean, I like the little what is it? The little like a little inception callback with the sitting at the little chairs at the diner or whatever. Like, I I see the vision. At the end of it, it's probably gonna be, you know, they're actually playing a video game or something like that, and they're gonna it's gonna be like the real world or something, it's out there, blah blah blah blah. Like, I get it. I'm just more like Are we watching this?

SPEAKER_01 1:43:00

Are we gonna watch this? Are you down for it?

SPEAKER_15 1:43:04

I no, I don't know. I don't think I could stomach staring at it for more than like 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_13 1:43:10

I I I think what was getting me is that like the words weren't moving. I mean, like the mouth were moving, but the words.

SPEAKER_17 1:43:16

No, no emotion behind it either. Like, oh I'm a bear it now. Like that sounded bad.

SPEAKER_13 1:43:22

I think that's gonna be like the comedy part about it, is like, oh, you know, it's like kind of like dry humor like throughout the whole way. But and I mean how else can you do that? I mean, how else can you bring humor into a literally simulated thing where you can't make facial expressions or anything like that? So I mean I understand that kind of carrying the film, but it's just more of a in between that it's gonna be probably very very boring. And just kind of walking through trying to figure out like I'm assuming it's not more than an hour and a half, or maybe more than an hour, like max. So um yeah, I mean creativity for sure. Yeah. What the fuck are we doing?

SPEAKER_17 1:44:05

Create.

SPEAKER_13 1:44:12

Let us know what you guys think though. We got vertical trailer out right now. Check it out. It's in a different language. I'm assuming it's gonna be dubbed for the states, obviously. Um so it's gonna be nice. Uh let us know what you guys think. Check out the trailer. Um it's it's interesting. It's an interesting one. Um, with that being said, though, that's gonna be our last topic for this episode. Any topics we should be talking about, movies you want us to review, TV shows, uh, you want to hear your voice on one of these episodes, Josh, let them know where they can talk to us, do all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_17 1:44:44

Uh, Twitter, check out Instagram at filmballs podcasts, but some episodes are up, get his up there for news and movies on us to cover. What's probably the social game is like a Patreon and subscribe on struggle, really appreciate it. Let's just anyway get the podcast at Foambus Podcast, Spotify YouTube Music I'll Podcast. Again, whatever we get your podcast. Part of the conversation, twitch at Frameballs Podcast, and we'll start sending that subscribe to YouTube at Filmbros Podcast.

SPEAKER_13 1:45:04

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_17 1:45:07

Talk to you guys later.