Ep 515 Supergirl's Hot Waters

Amidst Supergirl's release, we decide to deliver more bad news on top of it's failing Box Office Numbers

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh. Hey everybody, and welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. Alright, Josh. So today is the day. Actually, today's not the day. We are about a week uh about like three, four days from the day. Um, and that big day is the the Supergirl premiere, supergirl 2026. Josh DC has had its issues, has had its hiccups, um, but one thing that the DCU um is failing to do is get the attention of any general audience. Uh, this DCU has had some issues getting up from the jump. I know, I know what you're gonna say, Josh, but the DCU and everything beforehand. Well, we're gonna explain all that, right? We're gonna talk about it. We're gonna obviously talk about how we feel about all that stuff and everything like that, because obviously there's more to this picture than just what we're gonna talk about, and that's just super girls. So we're gonna go ahead and start a little bit in the back, make our way to the present, and then go ahead and talk about the future towards the end of this episode. And uh to be honest, the DC, the DC universe, not just the DC universe, but James Gunn, Peter Saffron, uh the two CEOs, uh co-CEOs that are in charge of DC Studios right now, are kind of in a in a weird spot, okay? So let's let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. So, Josh, we remember way back when, before 2023, the the reboot to the DC EU that turned just taking a letter out of the the thing and just saying it's out of the DCU. The DCEU has been struggling since 2013. Okay, man is still came out, BBS came out after that, and then oh shit, is struggle uh struggle-thon has happened. We've talked about this multiple times. You guys want to go even into more detail about that? Hey, go listen to different episodes. We've we've broken down a DC multiple times, but the DC EU has been struggling for years. Uh, it's had some hits, some misses, some major misses, some really good hits, and then you had some cast members completely break down towards the end of their run. It's it's a phenomenon that I didn't think I was gonna be able to see through twice in my lifetime, but here we are. Uh right, the DCU basically ended in 2023. Uh DCU was kind of started by the end of 2023. Let's just be honest, James Gunn kind of shot himself in the foot. Uh, it's gonna be kind of funny when we revisit this video right here. This video is gonna be uh very hilarious, it's gonna age like milk. It's disgusting. Um, and that is uh his announcement video that he just uh that he announced back in 2023, way before the last five DCE movies was set to release. The flash basically kicking off the flop what the flop sensations that were those last few movies in the DC EU. With the flash being James Gunn number one superhero movie. Josh, um, we're basically getting to the point of being caught up. Did I miss anything within the DC EU? And I mean, obviously, you've been it in this ride since the very beginning. You're a DC fan. We're gonna get into a little bit deeper. So I kind of want to let the fans, or at least the people that listen to us, know. Yes, we hate James Gunn. And I'm gonna let you know, I'm gonna let you know that Josh very much hates James Gunn. Josh, let him know how badly you hate James Gunn.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

I hate James Gunn so bad.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Yeah. But we were DC fans.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

He's right.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

But we are DC fans, okay? And we were looking forward to what was to come if it was actually good. But, you know, some of us have been more disappointed than others since the very beginning. And, you know, we're gonna really break down where we are in this whole DC universe, in this whole where where we basically fit as the film bros podcast in this universe. Because, you know, I don't think we fit in that group with the Snyder verses, right? Like, we we we're not a Snyderverse people, we don't fit in the group with the James Gunn writers. Uh, we are DC fans, and what's happening at DC is a damn shame, in my opinion. Okay. Uh, I was hoping that after the DCU was done that we were gonna finally be back on track. I'm pretty sure Josh had the same feeling as well. It did not happen. Definitely or is not currently happening, unfortunately. Uh and there's some not only internal things within the DC universe that is stopping that from happening, but there's also external things, and we're gonna have to be talking about that as well. But uh after shooting himself in the foot with the video that we're gonna be talking about later on down the road, uh with the DCU was born after Aquaman made the DCU basically end off on an Iron Man note and you know, a cheeseburger cockroach. Isn't that nice? Isn't that nice? Disgusting. Um, but yes, Josh. DCU started, right? Creature commandos came out, Superman came out, supergirl is on its way um by the end of this week at the time of recording. This Friday, the I believe it's the the 26th. The 26th, or the 25th is supposed to be when it starts. Fan screenings have not been filled up when it comes down to pre sale tickets for Supergirl. Um, they are struggling to fill in seats. They are going as far as showing Millie Alcock's feet for the promotion. What we will be talking about this, and you will be seeing clips and videos, okay? Supergirl has been getting a little weird. Now, Josh, we did take a little bit of hiatus. There were certain things in the past couple weeks that did happen that was very reminiscent of a Rachel Zegler, um, an alkalite star. What's her name? I forgot her name.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

I can't remember her name.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

She didn't make that hit song. That one hit song.

SPEAKER_05 6:43

It wasn't a hit. Shut up.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

Oh, sorry. It hit me over the head like a bag of bricks, okay? Let me tell you. It was a hit. Just the wrong hit. Um, so that happened with her. So this Millie Alcock's run as Supergirl is starting to turn out as you know, that alkalite star, that Rachel Zegler person who basically bombed the whole movie, tanked everything before the show would release, before their movie would release. We all remember what happened with Snow White, and it now seems Millie Alcock is down the same trail, unfortunately. Um, and I'm gonna just show you how badly uh Millie Alcock, James Gunn, and how this whole Supergirl fiasco is a mess with two videos off rip. I'm gonna let you watch this one first. A little bit of context, Millie Alcock gave a comment a couple a couple interviews back saying that Supergirl's cape is made out of Christopher Reeves' original material. Okay? I'm gonna let you see Millie Alcock answer this really quick, and then I'm gonna show you James Gunn's reaction to him finding this out as well.

SPEAKER_08 7:52

You let it you I we heard it from you that it was actually made from the original fabric for Superman. Tell me about that and what does that signify for you? Because that's like bringing a piece of history.

SPEAKER_06 8:03

Yeah, I mean it was super exciting to get to physically carry a piece of this franchise across to this film. Um and it was such a beautiful piece of detail that Anna, Anna, our um costume designer, put in. So yeah. And lastly, what it Okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

A little nice, right? You didn't know anything about that. Did you did you feel like Christopher Reeves' cape could have made it down this far to Supergirl? I wonder why David Cornsweat didn't get Christopher Reeves' cape. I mean I wonder why Cedar Cavill didn't get Christopher Reeves' cape. A little piece. You know, just a little a square of the red, just put it right there in the corner, be like, hey, we used that piece in Christopher Reeves' cape a long time ago.

SPEAKER_05 8:48

I don't know. I maybe because it was easy for her to have it worn. I don't know. No, it's because I mean that could it could totally be fake. It could be fake, sure, but okay, but even if it's not and they were trying to like make it work. I don't know. I didn't they like preserve all of his suits? Didn't Henry Cavill have to put one of his on at 1.2 or something like that for test screening?

SPEAKER_03 9:10

He put a test screening one from a failed Superman movie that Tim Burton was supposed to do. He used uh an old one and then he used an old like uh Christopher Reeves looking one for I guess the filming one. The it was supposed to be like a it looked like a costume, like you just get it from a store. Oh, okay. It wasn't like his original suit, it wouldn't have been. Um, but yeah, so I mean whether it's true, whether it's not, I mean, we wouldn't know, but I'm just thinking, like, why wouldn't nobody else have ever It's gotta be fake? Why wouldn't Corren Sweat have gotten a a a piece of history that he could have been talking about, right? And then we get to James Gunn, and I'm gonna let you hear what he had to say about Millie Alcock having a piece of history.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Oh, um, I just think she was she was fantastic. She was made for this.

SPEAKER_08 9:57

Now I read that the cape that we have for Millie's costume is actually made from the original fabric for some.

SPEAKER_00 10:04

I only learned that from Millie's.

SPEAKER_08 10:08

I mean, how like semendipitous is then that there was still material fabric left over.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

I I I don't know. I just heard it from Millie and have no clue about it.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

Can't even get on the same page. Oh, this is not good. This isn't good. We'll have to have to a bad start, bro. This is bad.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

I need you to see his face one more time before we continue on with this episode, okay? I need you to just look at the face of confusion that this man has when asked, when confronted, about this cape.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

I I I don't know. I just heard it from Millie. I have no clue about it.

SPEAKER_08 10:47

You're just like, I just handled this and the music.

SPEAKER_03 10:52

He's just like, she's lying out her ass. Me too, bro. I don't know. I don't sure she had you know what? She's wearing his trunks too. Underneath the skirt, I promise you, she is.

SPEAKER_05 11:05

That's crazy. Yeah, can't even get on the same page, bro. That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

So, you know, just kind of setting the tone here of what we're basically gonna be running into as we go through these next hurdles that we're gonna be going through. So that's basically off the New York red carpet that was basically premiering um Supergirl to all the influencers, all the nice people out there that like to be like, oh, Supergirl, and you know, blah blah blah blah blah. Unfortunately, that one was kind of halted by none other than Grace Randolph. Uh, she decided to just put her two cents in, and the whole industry came to a sudden halt. Um, and all she had to say was how unfortunate review Wednesday for Supergirl. And everybody's like, damn, we fucking every everybody who was in the middle that was kind of like, uh, what's you know, where is this movie gonna go, basically kind of accepted defeat, right? Because this movie, I believe Grace Randolph was kind of like the biggest cheerleader for this movie. She was kind of really anticipated this movie to be very well, uh, very well made, very good. Um, she was even giving Millie Alcock advice throughout these like press tours that we're gonna be looking at some of these clips that she was kind of putting herself in some really, really deep water. Um, and by the end of it, I mean that's all she had to say. We're getting a review by the time we're recording by tomorrow from her, so that's gonna be interesting to see what happens on the internet when that comes out and when actual reviews from actual people and not influencers basically say, because you know, we've gotten to that point where influencers will be like, you know, they'll stand up, hit a fan really quick, and scream, and then two to uh two months down the road, they'll be like, What did I say that movie was good? My fault, G. I didn't know that it was bad.

SPEAKER_05 12:59

Yeah, I I never heard of this movie. What's it called?

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Right. Uh the Inflemish Flash movie, that was one of them, right? Everybody came out, oh, it was great. Best DC movie in the ever made, and you go to watch it and you're just so disappointed by everything that you saw. I mean, a couple nice moments, whatever, but you know, the flash was bad, and then it kind of got worse from there, unfortunately. Then you know, they even had the audacity to say Aquaman 2 was really good. Gotta be honest. Um uh Supergirl is the second official DCU project. I mean, you've got three DCU projects. Creature Commandos was the first one, then you got Superman, and you got Supergirl. Creature Commandos, does it count? I don't know. That that's up to whoever wants to interpret it. In my opinion, in here on this podcast, Josh, you can argue with me if you want. I think Superman is kind of like the first official launch of the DCU. So I can't really I don't really count Creature Commandos. It's in there, but I mean I really can't count it, really.

SPEAKER_05 14:03

I'm I mean, okay, okay. I I I count it. I mean, that one, Peacemaker season two, I count those. James Gunn ain't off the hook for that. He's not off the hook for two failed attempts. Superman, sheriff people are on the fence. I thought that she was mid. Yeah, yeah, that's three. But if we're counting movies, it's not looking good for Supergirl. We're we're two out of three so far, and yeah, uh I don't know, bro. It's not good look. I think I I think I saw somewhere that um that it's it's not shaping up, and he doesn't really care for canon anyway. He said that plenty of times, so he could start from scratch if he really wanted to, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 14:48

He's just gonna be like, Supergirl is actually the start of my DC EU or DCU, whatever. Um yeah, and I mean the canon has always been kind of messy since the beginning. Obviously, we got characters from Peacemaker that made it all the way into this reboot. Some characters that we saw from Suicide Squad from the original DC EU were in there as well. So it's like, you know, canon gets messy if you really talk about it. And I think he knows that. Um, I think at one point he even came out and was just like, you guys know it's all fiction, right? And we're just like, Yeah. But you could fucking for that shit to make sense. Yeah, you could tell a story that doesn't have flaws and shit in in said universe, sci-fi movie, whatever, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 15:35

Yeah, man, fuck, dude. How dare we ask for some fucking cohesive, you know, concise storytelling.

SPEAKER_03 15:40

Yeah, fucking insane. Come on, man. Like, it's it's just too much to ask for. So, Supergirl, Millie Alcock herself. You know, I want to talk about her before we get to the actual premiere and all that stuff because there's a few things that she was saying before that New York City premiere, um, where she, you know, talked about the cape, and you know, everybody was just confused. Interesting. Um, yes, so Supergirl apparently is ditching the love story and everything all together. We've heard about this. Snow White did the same thing, Rachel Zegler. Uh, what was her quote? She basically said we can cut the guy out all entirely. Yeah, let's do that, or something like that. It's Hollywood baby, or some shit like that, right? Um, so she, you know, she was asked about the romance and everything like that. We're I actually have clips, so we don't have to really sit through me talking through it. Um, and also this one, you actually gotta hear because this one was kind of interesting. Back in March, this interview kind of aired, and this was kind of kick-starting the whole you know, super girl saying stuff, and I just thought it was kind of played out. I didn't think that it was gonna get to this point. I thought, you know, Millie Alcock saw, you know, her PR team saw what happened to Rachel Zagler, they saw what happened to the alkalite chick. They saw they saw what happened. They would not dare let another actress fall for this kind of trap again, would they? Yeah, well, here we are. In a March interview, that's uh basically started it all. She was asked if basically if her Game of Thrones tenure basically prepared her for um the whole DCU landscape of you know the the questions, you know, the fan base. Obviously, there's people in the fan base that write harder for you know for the DC universe, for Game of Thrones, and they're you know, they're obviously the toxic fans, the regular fans, blah blah blah blah blah. And so she basically said it definitely made me aware that simply existing as a woman in that space is something that people comment on. And we did talk about this, Josh, before, so this is this this is kind of a refresher for you. But she goes on to keep on saying, we have become very comfortable having this weird ownership of women's bodies. I can't really stop them. Um, I can only be myself. Those remarks basically rumbled through Twitter, the internet, and made a lot of people upset and perturbed. Rightfully so, you know, it kind of seemed like she was attacking a portion of the fan base, kind of when Obi-Wan was coming out, and they were like, you know, they were trying to say that uh what was it? The the chick, the black chick that was playing.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

That it was that it was basically um people being racist toward her or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

And that was way before the show even came out, right? So it was kind of like uh a prepare for landing, let's go ahead and start making an excuse right now, right? And that's uh that's how a lot of people took it. And so when she came back around and was asked again, and they were like, hey, didn't you didn't you see what what happened online? She said, I didn't even say men, I said people. Um, she said, and they got so angry, I was like, You're proving my point, you're proving my point. So the reaction that she basically gave, saying, I can't be myself, women in these spaces, you know, certain people online own uh the ideas of women and what they're supposed to be doing. You know who she's talking about online. It does happen. There is that certain section of people. For her to directly blanket statement that to everybody, I think it kind of rightfully so pissed off a lot of people. And you know, it wasn't just that section, everybody started rushing towards her in that way, right? And it didn't help out with a bunch of different interviews that were happening. But Josh, what do you think about those comments? Like I said, we did talk about those uh a couple episodes back, but I mean you know, it's kind of like I said, it's kind of like what Rachel Zegler did, it's kind of like what the uh the girl in the alkali did. They basically started attacking a portion of the fan base before anything started coming out.

SPEAKER_05 19:36

I mean, I remember, and I didn't I mean it I can't even say that I feel I understand what they're saying, but I mean to preemptively start stuff and can and say things you're kind of yeah, you kind of paint a target on people and that makes you feel that makes them feel bad, I would say. And I mean not every I wouldn't say the people that are doing it should feel bad. No, wait, I'm not saying that the people that are doing it shouldn't feel bad about doing it. It just feels like, oh, she's clearly talking about us. We should continue. Like, no, you should stop saying those things and two if you're who she's aiming at, stop. And if you're not, why are you upset? You know what I mean? Yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it.

SPEAKER_03 20:25

Kind of like what Grace Randolph too said too when she when this interview came out as well. Um, is you know, she get this is when she gave her that advice where it was like, you know, you shouldn't try to villainize the fan or you shouldn't villainize the fan base or villainize any of the fan base before you actually got into the fan base, right? Like you're you know, um, I think we've seen this time and time again. You've seen it with friend groups where you have a group of people and an outsider kind of comes in, and instead of befriending them, they kind of start gravitating towards one person or a couple people, and they try to put a divide in the line and put a you know, and I think that's kind of like the route that a lot of people kind of took it as. Like you're kind of putting a line in the sand instead of just trying to, you know, we already got splits, right? We already got Batman fans, we got James Gunn fans, we got the Cinderverse fans, you got James uh Supergirl fans, but Superman fans that aren't fans of other things, whatever, blah blah blah. Like the DC universe fan base is like divided completely. And for you to try to come in and do that, it's already strained enough. I feel like you're basically poking a a porcupine at that point. Like you're just gonna stab yourself back, unfortunately. Um, but yeah, so there's a few things that she basically said. Let's start with the first one, and that's Millie Alcock basically expressing supergirl sexuality. I don't know if that's what we needed, but here it is.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

There's been a lot of discussion online about Hara's queerness in the comments. Was that something that you explored when you were preparing for the role?

SPEAKER_06 22:03

I don't know. I think that what makes this film so beautiful is that it's not centered around a man. It's not centered around the luminance. I don't really, I don't really love it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 22:21

That's been a lot.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

That rubs some people the wrong way. Um, I don't know if it should rub people as bad as it should have, but you know, this is one of those things where, you know, a lot of comic book fans are already saying they're changing woman of tomorrow. They're already saying all this stuff, but you know, a lot of comic book fans say that, you know, Supergirl that we got in the comic book, yeah, she could be tough in this one or whatever, but it seems as though she's kind of painting this weird picture for Kara for the younger generations, is what I'm getting from the backlash when it came down to this clip right here. Same thing with uh, like I said, it's the same thing with Rachel's Egler, where it's like, oh, you could cut out, you know, a man entirely, and it it's gonna be okay. It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_05 23:10

I think we're looking at two different things. I think internet outrage kind of gets the better of people sometimes. They hear, oh, this woman won't be straight, and then you know, they lose their minds or whatever. But oh, I think we're looking at two different things.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

I believe this one right here got the you know the Fox News people upset because she even said that. I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, that this one right here. I think that's where because on Twitter I don't think this one was making noise. This one was more like Fox News. This was like general audiences that were planning to check this movie out, and now you're over here making it woke, you know, lesbian, blah blah blah blah. So now those general audiences are probably not gonna check out this movie because of it.

SPEAKER_05 23:53

I think okay, I think that's the thing because two different things are happening, and and the people's reactions are different. So this move the movie might not have another dude like love interest type of thing going on, which isn't unheard of. You can go you can have plenty of movies without that happening. That's not that's not a big deal. But I also know that that also means if you're cutting out love entirely, then it there's none for the opposite uh gender anyway. Yeah, there's there's no lesbian stuff going on, whatever. So you have just you have no love story, you have no love interest in the story. That's not a big deal for her for them to ask her and be like, could she be? I can understand that on the red carpet. Oh, that's just a fun question. It's just like, oh, you know, what do you think your character, you know, headcanon is whatever she can headcanon? I don't think that's a big deal for people to get up in arms and be like, oh, she's gonna be gay. No, she's just saying that she could be, and this movie has no love in it for man or woman. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

Uh I guess that's fair, but you know that you know certain people are not gonna take it that way, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, because it's fucking I mean, she was kind of put on the spot, and I already see that in the video. You could tell that she's kind of like, uh, I don't know. She probably was like, We didn't even talk about this at all behind the scenes, right? Like, this is just kind of like on the spot. So I understand, but that's where you know PR team comes in and says, Hey, this is how you answer these kinds of questions. You don't dig yourself whole into these, you know, dig yourself into these gotcha questions because that's uh you know, when you're in the when you're in the public eye like this, you know, this is no longer, in my opinion, Game of Thrones. This is a different arena. You're in the DC universe, you're in a bigger property, bigger, you know, more people are gonna want to see you. Same thing as, you know, Rachel Zegler or like these other ones who, you know, they started off small, they started off with these little ones, and then they, you know, as they were getting bigger, too big for their bridges, they started speaking out a little bit more loosely, and then that's what basically ultimately shot them in the foot when it came down to their crazy.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

And I mean, it's not it's not really like I don't that's the thing. I don't think it's like her fault. I just the question he was just trying to be fun and you know, quirky and whatever for the for the month. And like, you know, that's not I don't think that's entirely a bad idea. Her answer should have just been different. Like, it would have been different if this was like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Like, like and Lois Lane PR-wise, you gotta think about it, like the perception of what people are gonna take from that, right? And that's what's what basically what I'm kind of coming at it as is like the perception from what it what she said is the problem. Not necessarily, in my opinion, because certain things I can get offended for, I don't think this one's worth getting offended for. It's like you said, it seems like a fun question that you ask on the red carpet, it's whatever, you make a joke about it, and then you kind of move on, and then that's basically it. But we we did kind of see when you know when these kind of questions arise, you know, kind of with the alkali, right? Didn't we see that with the alkali when they were like, you know, it we heard that this Star Wars is the gayest Star Wars in in the universe or something, and they're like, Oh, well, we hope so, uh, right? Like, why is those kinds of comments coming from uh these kinds of sets? Why you know we don't hear that off, you know, John Wick. We don't hear those from we didn't hear that from Corn Switz movie Superman. If we want to get it a little bit more closer to the DC universe, like why do we get those questions for these types of movies and then why do we answer them in these types of ways? It kind of makes me seem like it makes it seem like when the movie's struggling, the first uh people that they kind of try to mobilize are the you know the LGBTs and shit like that. And I think that's why you get these kinds of comments, but I feel like this does more harm than good. I mean if you notice that like other movies as well, like even shows, like if they are kind of having a rough time starting, they usually go the LGBT route. It's kind of weird. I think that's Hollywood's last I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

I don't know if I agree. I don't know. I I I just feel like yes, harmless question, very much taken out of context. Obviously, gonna rouse some people up, especially you Fox News about people, obviously. You know what I mean? But I don't know. I don't think this is like a huge deal. The PR thing, like you're gonna get asked any type of question. What do you call it? If people have a problem with that, they then they shouldn't go around and go up to coins and be like, hey, here's do Lois and and Clark get freaky, like like both sides, you know what I'm saying? Like that should be the standard then.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

This is uh shows the logo and whatnot, but a lot of people in the comments and a lot of people online were like, oh my god, they're so desperate. Now they're pulling out feet. I thought it was kind of funny. Um I don't think that's the actual case. I hope not. I hope Warner Brothers just not like emergency feet button. Here it is, right? Um, because after these comments basically came out, that's the video that was pushed next.

SPEAKER_05 29:41

So how does that an additional $100 million marketing ad for feet, bro? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 29:51

There's more clips. Let me see. If this one's another one.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Have you heard from the oh yeah, in another have you heard from the fans specifically from the LGBT community about how they've been able to relate to your character?

SPEAKER_06 30:03

I've just had a few people ask me about about her and about her because it's five months and all that, and I think that she's a really great representation of what a modern woman can be. She can be strong, she can be tough, she can be messy, and I love how this film doesn't center around any sort of love, you know, it doesn't center around romance or anything like that at all. And she is such resilient, but I think that that community is a community that is so so resilient. And they can really relate to that in the and I'm really honored that they can connect to the tough. Have you heard?

SPEAKER_03 30:39

Not a bad one, not bad at all. I feel like this is more better than what we got over here, right? Like this is a perfect way to speak PR-wise, and this is kind of like why did we say that in the first place?

SPEAKER_05 30:54

Yeah, it felt like that one. She was basically cleaning up her own mess, and she was like, Well, this is what I mean. Like, but uh yeah, I don't know. I it doesn't feel like something to be riled up about. If people can relate to Supergirl, they should be allowed to relate in uh just about any walk of life. That's not a big deal.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Um not um not very much I I don't see you know a lot of relatability coming from this supergirl though. That's the thing, right? Where the one in the comic was more, you know, and I kind of feel like when she says like, oh, the image or putting the women in a box or binary or whatever, I feel like she obviously the original supergirl in the comics is more from her time, right? More womanly, but she has superhero strength and all that stuff, and yes, she's more impulsive, but obviously because she came to Earth a little bit later than uh Superman, but you know, obviously, you know, it was kind of played on as you know, she's more emotionally unstable, right? And obviously it kind of plays into that where like she you know goes more destructive a little bit easier in the comics and blah blah blah blah blah. I mean, it's not bad, it's not bad to say that two people are different and Superman is Superman for that and Supergirl is Supergirl for this, but when you try to, you know, when people go and they compare this movie to like Furiosa and all that stuff, which Furiosa I pr I thought was pretty much like really good. Um, but then you're also coming out of the theaters talking about that it's mid and that there's a lot of like you know that there is no romance there, so then like how you said, where are we gonna get our uh our feel for this movie, right? Like, is it just gonna be all you know powerful? It sounds messy, like the not just the character that she's portraying is supposed to be messy, like the movie sounds messy. Like, how are you supposed to pull everybody in if you're actively going for one demographic? And if that's the case, then we gotta say this movie's not for us, and if it flops, that's because they made a movie for a certain different demographic and not for everybody.

SPEAKER_05 33:01

I think that comes with the bigger issue of like comic book, like you know, films and stuff, because uh like it's obviously men, like it's obviously meant for men. And then you will you want to do a supergirl movie or a black widow movie, whatever, and you want to get the women and you know girls that look up to these characters or whatever, their time to shine, which is not a huge thing, but you also like again, you're also kind of forgetting that the men are the ones who bought the comic books, are the ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

The ones the men read them dominantly. They want to see the people on the big screen. It's not necessarily, you know, it's not necessarily just women, right? Like, that's just the way that I see it. Like, yeah, women probably buy the comic books too, but I'm assuming it's more guys than women.

SPEAKER_05 33:49

Am I fair to say yeah, but I mean I like okay, that's the thing, because I agree. It is very much a male-dominated kind of thing, but you want to also give something to the girls that look and read these people and know them, something to look up to or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

I think Barbie is like the perfect example of how to do everything together. I they gave her the women empowerment thing. We also got Ken going on his shit too, but also got a little romance in there as well. Like, I feel like that was like the perfect way to kind of show that empowerment, but also, you know, like keeping to the book.

SPEAKER_05 34:27

If the point of this movie, right? I hear you. I if the point of this movie is the fact that, like, oh, men should like it because it's based off the comic book that they read.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

That's basically it.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

You're wrong. You're wrong. You failed.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

That's what it sounds like what it is. Yeah, that's and I was literally gonna go right there next. It's like that's what it sounds like. Like the it's only in title that the guys are basically gonna go in and be like, this is good for me. And you kind of notice that with the comics with the changeup of uh wasn't it Krang, right? The the villain in there, he doesn't look nothing like his comic book uh counterpart at all. Um, I believe the the girl as well, the one that Millie Alcock's supposed to be taking care of as well, that doesn't look exactly the same either. So I mean we're not going one for one, and we can, you know, I we even said it before too. Like, we're good with the story or the comic books being changed, like they don't have to be one for one. Like Brand New Day is gonna be doing Great Hulk, but they're not doing Joe Cool, right? Like, they're not gonna be doing that whole thing, but you know, they're changing it for to make it fit for the story. We're good with stuff like that. But you know, if the story's gonna be kind of mid and then you're attacking the fan base on top of that, it's like okay, your movie's just mid, it's not our fault. Your movie's just not that great, you know what I'm saying? Um, but yeah, what these are the comics that comments that are basically getting her in trouble. We'll probably have a couple more down the road. Um, but we're gonna start getting to present day and what happened over this past weekend pretty soon. First things first, the budget for this film is approximately 175 million dollars. That is a complete and total lie. I don't believe that whatsoever, but you for the sake of conversation, deadline reports that it's 175 million dollars worth of budget. People are saying that it needs about 315 million to break even. This is also according to deadline. Um I don't know who's trying to cope here. I don't know if they're trying to pay to keep this on the hush. They've been doing this with the Flash movie, they did this with Aquaman, you know, good promotion up front, but in the behind the scenes, shit's not really adding up, right? Uh, I don't say that this movie was made for anything less than 225 million. So I can't even say that 315 million is gonna break even. That's not including the like we talked about the 100 million dollars that were kind of put on this movie as well, on top of what was supposed to be the film's budget. They're doing a hundred million dollar push on top of what the film's budget was, and that's not including that Super Bowl trailer. We did not get a Super Bowl trailer, so they obviously were pocketing their money for a big push, and this was this big push. Um, Josh, do you believe this 175 million budget price tag right here?

SPEAKER_05 37:12

No. Nah, I mean space is expensive, spacings are expensive. Moving, using your superpowers is expensive. Backgrounds are expensive. I mean, you and then you get shots where like, you know, with her in the fucking space suit, and you're like, okay, trying to save money on a fucking suit. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Like you had to do reshoots with corn sweat, you gotta remember that too. They, you know, the reshoots were kind of sweat.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

I think they said they called Lobo back too. Uh Mamoa.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

Makeup and everything had to come back, so that's more money out the out the pocket.

SPEAKER_05 37:47

I'm saying we're probably closer to like two 250.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

250. Okay. I I say that a little high, but I I would say like around 225 for me, 220 around there. Um, but I agree with that. Uh, I could kind of agree with you too. It could be anywhere between those numbers for sure. Uh, 350 million to break even though, and that was kind of like being propelled by different um different outlets. I don't think that's the case either. I think it's funny that you know when the movies are coming out, they forget about the whole budgeting part and the whole extra money for reshoots and money for the actual movie and everything like that. So 315 million, I don't think that's breaking even. Not even close to Josh. I believe Superman itself, the first the first Superman 2025, that one had a break-even at like 600 million. So and it did made a little bit of a profit, but not as much as it was expecting. So, I mean, where do you think the break-even point for this movie is?

SPEAKER_05 38:52

I mean, if it's 250, it has to be anywhere around like four or five mil, right? Four or five hundred mil?

SPEAKER_03 38:58

I would say like five, I would say the upper end of five hundred. Like if they get to like five fifty, five sixty, they would be in the profitable range. But do we see the film going that far though? Like with everything that's happening so far that we've been talking about, like, do we see it going as far? The beginning, the beginning uh predictions for this film was first at 65 million. As the film got closer and the comments kept coming out of million cock, it went down to about 55 million, and now they're reporting between anywhere between 39 million to 55 million that the movie's gonna basically perform on its opening weekend. So it went from, like I said, 65 million down to 50 uh 55, and then now to 39 million to about 50, 50. They're hoping for the high end 59 million.

SPEAKER_05 39:51

So I mean I mean, you know, we've seen movies dig themselves out of holes before. Not movies, though. Not okay, but we but we've seen it happen. It's not fair. That's not fair, it's not fair.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

But have you seen it happen with DC movies lately?

SPEAKER_05 40:10

No, but we've seen it happen with movies in general, all right? Word of mouth could be really good, it could carry this movie for about a month. On the other hand, you're right, DC movie, and these comments aren't exactly helping the movie. Sucks. I I don't want to be right. I don't want to. I don't think I ever go into talking about a movie like this and being like, I hope it flops. It's just more like if it flops and we were right about it. Damn, that sucks, you know? Because we want to be wrong, we want every movie to succeed. It's everything, everything good should come out of a movie.

SPEAKER_03 40:51

I mean, if we go to Supergirl and it wilds us, I mean, why wouldn't we say it's good, right?

SPEAKER_05 40:55

Right. I mean, we don't get paid to say, right?

SPEAKER_03 40:59

So, I mean, if it's good, it's good. If it's bad, it's bad. It is what it is. Um, yeah, yeah, I would say like the pri the make break-even point gotta be like 560 mil at least, and then you know, whatever it goes from there goes from there. But I don't uh to be honest, I think this movie's stopping at like about 300 300 million, 350. If if it's as good as these influencers are saying, it could probably push the four.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

How good are they how good are they selling the bag right now?

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Oh, they apparently it's it's great. Apparently it's amazing. But then you got other people saying that it's kind of mid and it's dull and uh I can't really get a consensus on it. The na the the usual suspects are kind of going into it like, oh, it's really good, but then you have some of them that are saying it's bad, and then a good chunk of like females are saying that it's really good for them. So I don't know, but it sounds like it's uh a mixed bag of people, and then there's obviously the influencer sides that are basically just appraising the shit out of this movie. So um it is what it is. But New York had the premiere uh for Supergirl, um, the fan screening, and you know, David Cornswede was there, Rachel Brosnan, Nicholas Holt, uh they were all there to support Millie Alcock on her first Supergirl adventure. Hopefully her first, hopefully not her last. Am I right? Uh David Cornsway had to step in. This was making its rounds over here. He had to step in because Millie Alcock was inappropriately touched on the red carpet, and so Cornsway had to step in as the good big cousin that he is. You know, not apparently not the bitch that Supergirl calls him.

SPEAKER_05 42:55

He was trying to get their attention for a photo. Obviously, you don't rub up on her back, but her shoulder was like right there. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 43:03

Like you just wanted to tap her and be like, can we get a photo real quick?

SPEAKER_05 43:07

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean I'm pretty sure that's what happened, but you don't like glide your hand across their back. That's weird.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Right, right. Then and all these cameras, and this guy shoots through a fucking potato. I don't understand. We couldn't even get an HD video of this thing.

SPEAKER_05 43:25

He had to pull out his flip phone for the for the one time, dude.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

He just had a fucking like he didn't have his iPhone already out. He's just like, Oh, I gotta use the shitty phone for this one. Oh my god, like you did he's like, Oh, this is clearly this is clearly something's happening over here. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

Let me pull out my 20-year-old Blackberry for this.

SPEAKER_03 43:42

Right, right. It's insane. So that basically happened on the carpet, which got them some good brownie points before the reviews basically started trickling out. And these are some of the reviews. We're gonna talk about some of them. We're gonna see a couple of uh people speak on those reviews. Look, a little tiny crypto, that's not gonna It for you? You're not happy for a baby crypto or the call of it.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

Dude, it's gonna be in fucking Fortnite. No, it's not gonna sell it for me. It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Okay. That's fine.

SPEAKER_05 44:16

What? Excuse you.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Okay. I was just I didn't know. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 44:21

I like the stray. I I got the Sith Trooper fucking skin. Okay. I some shit's for me, some shit ain't. Her supergirl skin's good. You think I'm gonna buy the crypto the dog? No, it's not no.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

Okay. You don't want the little sidekick crypto? No.

SPEAKER_05 44:37

Hell no. I'll put a different dog right there. I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

Get John Wick's dog right there. Um this is from Eric Goldman. This is one of the reviews. Supergirl is just okay. Greg Gillespie, the director, who's made several things I've liked, doesn't really mesh with the material, and not enough of the action scenes fully come to life. And on the other hand, there's some good character moments, flashbacks included, and Millie Alcock is great. So Millie Alcock praised some good character moments, some good moments in the movie, but for the most part doesn't sound too promising. Uh Nico Caruso basically says Millie Alcock is exceptional in the movie that other that's otherwise disappointing. A movie that gets in its own way more times than I could count. An engaging tone and some great emotional beats are held back by an inconsistent script, a cringe Jason Momoa performance, and one of the worst comic book movie villains you'll ever see. This character and especially Alcock needed much better treatment. Uh Jones vibe, Supergirl had the potential to be a solid B-level superhero movie, but is ruined by one terrible needle drop after another. Millie turns in a great performance, but I can't help but feel like she deserves such a better film to be introduced. It's Guardians of the Galaxy mixed with Whedon's Justice League. Yikes.

SPEAKER_05 46:00

That's foul.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

That is foul. That is foul. That is uh So the consensus is she's great. You put Guardians of the Galaxy mixed with Wheadens Justice League.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

That's fucked up. That's fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 46:13

That's that's salt in the wound. That is bad.

SPEAKER_05 46:17

That's fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

That is terrible.

SPEAKER_05 46:21

You can't I don't like from that one. I don't I don't think you do. I think you just die. Now dude, that's bad. I don't I don't I think I think comparing any movie right, which is a plus, but I think comparing any movie to the atrocity that is just as like 2017 is fucked. Frankly. I I don't agree. I don't think any movie should be even like it's worse. I don't think any movie like you know is worse than that one. Like that's insane.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

Like you gotta be an abomination to be called that because it wasn't right.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

Like you gotta be fucking I do enjoy that everyone's like Greg Gillespie, and now it's not James Gunn is a friendsetter, he's just like it's Greg's movie.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

Right, right. That's it, man. It is Greg's movie, and that's one of the things that you know this movie is predicated on as well, right? That's something that we've been talking about for months, is that you know, Superman, we can let that kind of go because yeah, it's James Gunn, it's a James Gunn project. We know what we are gonna get out of that project. But Supergirl is now in the hands of somebody else, right? Supergirl is under director Gilletsby. The writer is Anna Noriega, who is basically writing a good chunk of good a good chunk of this DC universe, okay? Now that you know she's basically been hired on to be doing a lot, so it's like this movie is basically gonna tell us if it's just James Gunn who's not right for the the filmmaking position when it comes down to this, or is James Gunn just not right for this universe in general? Like, we've already had that uh answered for us in the beginning, right? Some of us already kind of knew this jump, right? Some of us already knew. But now I think this is basically gonna take that cover off and let people know, like, this is not just uh uh movie by movie basis, this is a leadership problem, right? Like, this is a somebody who cannot seem to get this cohesiveness going. Uh, we've I mean we've had time and time again, Marvel unfortunately is the undefeated champ. You see people come and go with these universes, they try to build their own universe, it fails miserably. Nobody can do it besides Marvel. James Gunn thought he could, Zazlov thought he could because James Gunn was with Kevin Fahy, but now it's coming to light to just basically show that you know, even though I believe Fawhy spent, he is a one-of-a-kind talent. We're never gonna get him again, we're never gonna get him in his prime again. So that's another problem, right? It's always gonna be him versus him at this point.

SPEAKER_05 49:13

Right. I mean, we always know the issues, man. I think if this is one of those ones where James gonna have to take it right on the chin, I mean, cool. But yeah, I think he's been taking too many on the chin as is. I don't know how many times before the knockout. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Right, right. Uh more more early reactions from the the premiere. So this is Nico's. We just read that one already, so we'll just skip that one. Despite Millie Alcock's best efforts, Supergirl is a dud. Its worst offense is simply being boring. The original comic sweeping saga is shrunk down to a quick jaunt across a few planets. It's also ugly to look at, like if Mad Max was shot in the volume.

SPEAKER_05 50:05

Damn. Which is insane because that boy goes all the way to the desert to film those bitches.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

He does a good job with it, too. Um, Supergirl is simply fine. It does the job of introducing the character, but feels a bit off, whether that's poor choices in the soundtrack or just a feeling of blow on the story. Millie Alcock does admirably, but there's nothing here that really feels memorable.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

So everyone likes her. Everyone likes I figured that would be the consensus. I mean, I I mean, she was the leading chick in Game of Thrones, wasn't she? She was like the chick, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Well, yeah, her and the other chick. I think that's what the backlash was, or at least uh a lot of the the discourse on that side would be like, oh, who's the better princess or whatever, and blah blah blah blah. And then she would be upset that you know a good chunk of the m the Game of Thrones cat or fan base was male, and it would be them basically being like, Oh, this chick is better, or that chick's better.

SPEAKER_05 51:02

Right. I mean, that I mean who can't I mean we're just asking who's better. You don't gotta be a fucking weenie about it. I damn I I think I think that was the consensus. I always felt like that was like if even if this movie was like you know, top five fucking common book movies. I always felt Jason Mamma Border would fucking suck as Lobo. I fucking brain like you don't need to think for that. That's always gonna happen. I oh he'll be better as Lobo. He didn't get to pick it, he didn't get to beat Aquaman. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

We didn't fucking play Lobo in every other movie he's but fucking been in, bro. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 51:38

You can watch Lobo in the one he did with David Dave Bautista. You can see him in the goddamn Aquaman 2. Like, bro. No, I'm sorry, no. You were not gonna get level good fucking you know shit from it. It's Jason Momoa, kiss makeup. You were not gonna get anything good. Millie Alcock being the best thing for out of the to come out of this movie. I hope that doesn't good for her. I hope James Gunn sees that and at least know that okay, in the right hands, maybe she can be good. It just gillet speak probably wasn't it. That doesn't mean your hands either, gun. I mean that you don't just switch trash to trash, right? You gotta level her up, clearly.

SPEAKER_03 52:20

Well, apparently she's gonna be have a prominent role in man of tomorrow, so James Gunn is gonna be handling her.

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Well, then we're fucked.

SPEAKER_03 52:27

Um, another comment here says Supergirl reminding me of a time when a comic book movie didn't need to be the next big thing, but simply tell a compelling story with heart. Its action may be too anonymous, but it has such a sincere approach to its world, characters and tone that kept me invested. Solid stuff. That was pretty nice. That was a nice one. Yeah, I was about to say, like we're getting some good ones here. Just watch Supergirl. I really liked Millie Alcock as Kara. I enjoyed seeing her story and appreciate that she's rough around the edges and not a quote unquote perfect superhero. A bit lukewarm on the villain. The third act felt rushed. Would love to see Alcock as Supergirl again. That one seems like these are fine. These are like see, that's what I mean. Like you go from the worst to like middle ground and then to people actually kind of enjoying this stuff, right? Um, Millie Alcock commands the screen as Kara's or L. The strongest part of the film is the performance from its star. I love how she was able to capture the tragic nuance of Kara while having still preserving her kind soul. I love the use of practical sets and effects. Um it added a lot overall to the style of the film of the film. The film has some scene stealers, but my favorite supporting character is David Krumholtz Zorrell. He delivers a small but powerful monologue. There's a lot that I loved and a lot that I didn't. I feel like the film needs to let the first act breathe, and I would have loved to spend more time on Krypton. Overall, I think this is this will be an enjoyable summer popcorn film.

SPEAKER_05 54:09

Don't be a fucking asshole and say it's like Justice League 2017. I don't that's uncalled for. You're fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

That was pretty bad, though.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

Mixed with Guardians of the Galaxy, he said it wasn't just we knew guardian, we know Guardians is trash, but I mean you put two trashes in one dumpster.

SPEAKER_03 54:29

That's fucked up. You're like, hey man, you're that's double stink right there, bro.

SPEAKER_05 54:34

You're fucking what is it? What you have in your mouth is art. Like you fucking it's fucking insane, dude.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

We got more reactions here. Um, this one, same thing. They're gonna be going ranging from probably good to maybe lukewarm. Uh, here's another one. I love Millie Alcock as Supergirl, punk rock. Awesome. Sadly, I only like Supergirl, the movie. Tons of highlights, but barely scratches the surface of Woman of Tomorrow. Guardians of the Galaxy Light meets Mad Max fun question mark. Sure, memorable question mark, kind of question mark, logo question mark, awesome. I wanted more though. Uh Supergirl surprised me in many ways that I was so excited to unpack for the foreseeable future. It's such a fascinating sister story. A woman of tomorrow echoing some things while carving its own spunky path with others. Sponky. Somebody just used the word spunky in their review. I think I think that one's null and void, and I think you can ignore that one. I think that one is I think you could throw that one in the trash. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:38

Sponky, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Who the dude last one used a lot of question marks, but this one used spunky. Nah, that one's not in void. You can't listen to that one. Millie Alcock soars. Oh wow. We got the soars. We got David Corn Sweet got the sore one. He was like, oh, Superman, or David Corn's way soars in Superman or something. Well, this one is too. Millie Alcock soars in uh she simply is supergirl, meshy, brash, but full of heart. The film's best moments are the quiet, tender beats between her and David Zorrell. Without that emotional core, Car Zorel's journey wouldn't land the way it does. So you're telling me it's all like everything. And this is the second time we heard about you know her father. So is that like the best moment in the movie? Is that gonna be like the best emotional beat? The only emotional beat? Right. The only one that's basically gonna carry you through the film. That's not I don't think that's good. Supergirl is a below average Guardians of the Galaxy movie. A committed Millie Alcock can't save a movie devoid of wit, charm, and visual flair. The flashbacks are strong, and everything with Superman is great, but between the Mad Max Ferry Road ripoffs, dull visuals, and um and thin plot, there's disappointingly little to enjoy. Supergirl certainly does not soar. Oh shit. We gotta Millie Alcock soars, and then we gotta she doesn't soar. She sore or not, like she's I we don't know. We don't know. That's not good. That's not good. Uh Supergirl's total blast leads with heart and smarts in a colossally awesome and audacious mashup of true grit and mad max fury road, firing on all cylinders. Millie Alcock is a heroine for a new era. Eve Ridley is a revelation, Gillipsy drops a needle like no other. See, everybody was complaining about the needle drops, but this one apparently loves it. See, so we're not really gonna get really good reviews here. Um, I guess the consensus is that it is Guardians of the Galaxy mixed with Mad Max Fury Road. Okay. Uh, we're getting a mixture of those two. We have one good emotional beat, the action sounds like it's kind of meh, and the background sound like it looks pretty ugly. This doesn't sound like a fun movie.

SPEAKER_05 58:09

Sounds like Ghostwriter 2. Like what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 58:14

It sounds pretty bad. It sounds worse than what we got when like Superman uh not Superman, but like when The Flash was coming out, like yeah, we got the leaks for Superman 2. Um, but you know, it was bad, but I didn't it didn't sound this bad. This kind of sounds worse than what Superman was. Um and that has to be unfortunate, right? Uh it is unfortunate because like I said, multiple things are kind of going against this. Uh what do you think about the the the comments though? What do you think about the reviews? I mean, you heard a a good range of them uh before we start moving into the future and what we're gonna think about how this movie might perform and what we're gonna look forward to at least. What do you think about these reviews and where do they put you at?

SPEAKER_05 59:01

I think the mixed reviews I think the ones I don't believe are the ones that are like, oh, this movie's fucking A1 top shit, good shit. I fully believe the middle ground is that the movies kind of whack. Millie Alcock does good and lobo is trash. Like, I don't think that I'm gonna be moving from that nigga. Even when I go see it, I'm pretty sure it's gonna be the same way. And it's that's kind of just how it is. I think the other guy said it perfectly when he was like, I kinda miss when movies or when combo movies weren't trying to be the next big thing or whatever, and that you can just be an average movie and everything's okay, which I mean I can get behind that. So if it's average, like that's fine.

SPEAKER_07 59:47

Hmm. Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_03 59:51

Okay. Uh I guess this is one of those Well you're gonna watch it, right?

SPEAKER_05 59:58

I want to. I mean, I don't know if I'm gonna do an opening weekend, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

You'll you're gonna get around to it in the theaters at least. Yeah, I'm getting around to it. I think I'm gonna actually go to this one just so I can see, because like I said, I am a DC fan first, and I think this conversation will probably be better sooner than later, so we'll probably have to discuss that off this uh pod. But you know, here we are. We're getting around to it. Supergirl's about to be released. And as I said, not only are we getting these fan splits, you know, people not wanting to go watch it, general audiences not enjoying the comments that she's saying, uh, fans not liking James Gunn's direction. A lot of issues with the fan base, right? Um, but then we get around to the external stuff, and that's Paramount's uh W with WBD. Uh them basically getting the DOJ's approval this past week, and are basically paying a whopping what $111 billion for this deal. Holy shit, that is a lot of money. Uh they are basically buying it out, and James Gunn's James Gunn is in the air. So is Peter Saffron. Nobody knows what's gonna happen. Now, a lot of people were saying, you know, if Netflix bought it, they were obviously gonna transition smoothly, no problems, no issues, no mishmashes or fusses. But Paramount has been a different story. Um, obviously, I mean James Gunn's political side to the side. Uh what he's done with the DC brand has not really screamed a lot of confidence. Um, we did have a lot of rumors, and you know, there was a lot of like things happening when Paramount was first going in for the bids and buying, and you know, Zack Snyder was kind of posting about you know cup possibly coming back, you know what I mean? Like a lot of people were like, Oh, you know, he's posting a lot of DC stuff, there's a lot of things happening behind the thing. So there was uh that conversation that was happening. So uh James Gunn's future is very much in the air. Supergirl is supposed to be that movie that is supposed to kind of give us an indication on whether he's gonna stay or not. Um, because we, like I said, we have spoken about this. Superman did release to you know, people gassing it up, but for the most part, you could tell it was pretty mid. Uh the box office did not explode with David Corn Swed Superman. Um, and if anything, it seemed like the you know, they were trying to actively cover up a good chunk of you know conversation that was negative towards that movie. Am I right? Um but you know, we kind of hurtled through. We said, okay, Superman, all right, you know, but the next test has to be something that James Gunn does not touch. We thought that was gonna be down the road a little bit, right? Because we did have a roster, and like I said, we're gonna point back to this video over here. Um his little YouTube video, right? The authority, all these different shows that are movies that were supposed to be made, but not happening. Um or possibly not happening, right? Supergirls is gonna be the first look into somebody else's brain, and hopefully showing whether or not James Glenn can have a cohesive story and a good movie as well for this DC universe. It doesn't seem like that's happening. That's gonna be something that we're gonna have to discuss after we watch this movie, but as of right now, from the reactions that we're getting, it's not happening. So we have to talk about that, right? So what if it doesn't happen? What if Supergirl flops? What happens? Do we reboot? Do they push on and say, hey, we have a little bit more to get through? Do we finish the Superman saga? I don't know, Josh. What do we think in the future holds when it comes down to James Gunn's fate and what Supergirl might mean for him?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

I mean, Supergirl flopping is pretty much a flag, I would say, obviously. I don't know if they get rid of him over that. Superman Man of Tomorrow could totally be his last movie if you know they really wanted to do it. I think what's really I mean anyone could look at that movie and be like, oh, it was because of this, this, and this. And then want to immediately piggyback, you know, scarecrow uh not scarecrow, fucking uh clayface. But even then, I I think it's it's gotta be like Man of Tomorrow is the definitive, like, we're gonna keep the ball rolling if or not. That's kinda how I feel.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:44

Uh no. I think Man of Tomorrow is gonna be the last stop. Um, and I think I think Supergirl would be the definitive now if Super if Supergirl does good and Man of Tomorrow doesn't do good, I feel like they might give them a little bit more leeway there, or they might still think like the track record's probably bad and not worth keeping. That could probably uh do like a little curveball there, but I do think if Supergirl does flop, I don't think there's anything past Man of Tomorrow. And that goes with some of the things that are basically being said right now, too. Um we'll we'll discuss that right now in a second, but at least with Supergirl and what we're expecting for it, it doesn't seem like it's gonna be delivering, unfortunately. And I mean, I'm not trying to get it in there with a you know, we're gonna walk in there and still have an open mind about this, but it just does not seem like it's happening. Um David Ellison apparently met with you know James Gunn and Preacher Saffron uh before all this happened. And this is kind of giving me the indication that it doesn't seem like Man of Tomorrow is gonna be getting a lot of uh a lot of leeway. And if they don't deliver with Supergirl, it doesn't Seem like it's gonna be very good for him. So they did say that um at the Brooklyn blue carpet premiere of Supergirl on Monday night, uh Lars P. Wither confirmed that Ellison has already been to Atlanta where Man of Tomorrow is filming and had a discussion with Peter Saffron and James Gunn saying that he came to Tillith Studios already. Uh that's where we shoot all of our movies that James directs. Um, saying that he came to Atlanta. Um, they showed him everything that they were having discussions with him, all the whole crew basically. Um he's pretty open. He continued to say that he's pretty open, which that's uh David Ellison, that he's pretty open to what we're doing. We do have a slate and a lot of it. Obviously, Clayface is already coming out. We already have the lanterns TV show. On those things, the trains left the station, so we're good. He's but he's a big fan, he's been great with us, he's given us kind of what we want so far. Everything's good. Does that sound like everything's good?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:03

I mean, shows that he can't stop uh and things like that that are already in production. Of course, are gonna get the train's already left the station.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

Like, that's like we can't stop it. That's money.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

What about after?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:17

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:19

I didn't hear anything. I didn't hear anything about an aftermath.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

I appreciate you picking up on that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

Yeah, I didn't hear anything about an aftermath tomorrow. Could this be it? Could this be the sun rising on a new dawn?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

For you probably for me, shit, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:41

Fuck, finally, and it only took four projects. Four movies, it only took four movies. Oh shit, dude. Fuck. I don't want to hear nothing about no goddamn or at least the James Gunn cut, because why would he do that? I don't want to hear none of that shit, bro. I don't even want Snyder back. This is the problem. I think a lot of people be like, oh, we're gonna be Snyderman. It's like if he's moved on, everyone's moved on. Sure. It's just I don't care. I don't care who comes back. I just know James Gunn has to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

I think as a person, I think everybody kind of came to a consensus that he's a bad guy. As a person. I mean, some people like him, I guess. But I mean, when you make a Peacemaker season two and say, gather the family to go watch it, and you put an orgy in there, thank God I didn't gather my family. But you know, thank God I didn't hooly hoo them and tell them everybody gather around for this shit, right? So it's like, you know, there's some things that he's done in his tenure as as this DC studio head where it just rubbed me the wrong way. And I was in the beginning kind of hoping and optimistic that we're gonna get something good out of this, and it's just not been so good. So after hearing this, this kind of confirms it for me, at least, that they're trying to stay face in the face of the media right now, trying to, you know, trying to talk up as much as they can, Supergirl, and you know how well it's gonna do and how well it's doing, and blah blah blah blah. But at the end of the day, you know, we know what happens behind the scenes because it all comes out, it all comes out to light eventually. And you can add the numbers together, you can crunch them and try to do back flips with them and try to say, Oh, supergirl's successful with 300 million, um, with 350 million, it broke even. Yeah, yeah. No, those mental gymnastics do not work around here. It does not, it definitely does not work with those higher ups that are spending this kind of money to make these movies, you know what I'm saying? So, like, there's no way that, in my opinion, if Supergirl flops, there's no way that he sticks around for mana tomorrow. Because Superman did not do that that well. And if you really wanted to capitalize on the success that you were doing with Superman, you would have put out a sequel or something that would have created buzz for the first one. Not put out Supergirl, because I mean, could it have been perfect? Yeah, but her introduction was kind of bad, in my opinion, too, right? Calling Superman a bitch off rip and coming in drunk. Uh, the the drunk part could have been funny, but it it it's not funny when James Gunn does it all the time and you're just like, dude, are you good, man? Like, is this what we gotta do to every superhero that you have? Like, they just enter like this crisis.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:19

He clearly doesn't care about Superman, he thinks he's a bitch, clearly.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:26

And he clearly thinks he's a bitch. He clearly thinks he's a bitch. So, yes, and here we are, right? At the end of this conversation, Josh, we're we're rounding the bout here. Like I said, this video right here, probably gonna age like milk.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:40

Um it already has. It already has, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:43

It already has.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:45

Don't talk about him often, but watching nerdrotic kind of talk about it. Yeah, no, this thing is this is milk. This is fucking yogurt, dude. This is like this is dried raisins. This is this isn't even grapes, it's raisins. We did get creature commandos.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:03

We did get creature commandos. We didn't get a waller.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:05

We don't know if it's canon. We didn't get that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:07

We did not get a waller, we did get a Superman, but not the legacy part. Green Lanterns is happening, after all, but if you thought it was gonna be anything like this picture right here, it's probably not. Um The Authority, not gonna be happening. Paradise Loss. Sounds like we're gonna be getting Wonder Woman inside of Man of Tomorrow. Pause. Um, we're gonna be getting you know her in this movie. Um, I know they're trying to redirect that uh Ariana is gonna be um Maxima. The other chick. Yeah, Maxima. Yeah, but no, it's it seems like we're that's a clear misdirect, and we're probably gonna be getting a Wonder Woman in uh Man of Tomorrow. We also are supposed to be getting the brave in the bolt with Andy Muschietti. Don't know if that's happening. Don't think it's happening. Um, why would you even have two Batmans? We've been saying that since the very beginning. Booster Gold. This one I was kind of excited about because there was like a rumor that Sean William Scott was probably gonna play him, and I would have really been excited for something like that. But unfortunately, not gonna happen. Um, so I mean, if there was one thing I was excited about in the slate, it was Booster Gold, and it just no. And then we get to Woman of Tomorrow and Swamp Think. Swamp Think is obviously not gonna happen. I don't think James Mangold is even actively working on that anymore. I think he's looking at everything, he's just like, yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. So here we are at Superman, Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow. Uh, out of how many projects was that? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Ten projects. We've only gotten three so far. One of them had a James Gunn insert.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:59

Fucking insane, dude. Fucking weird. Uh I mean the slate just didn't go to plan, dude. No, we did get a peacemaker, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:08

Peacemaker season two, then that wasn't in the slate. So we did get a peacemaker. That was kind of like a curveball that nobody was expecting. Am I right?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:16

Yeah, but that shit was ass. It was just an excuse for him to party with his favorite band or whatever. Um, yeah, nah, man. I kind of I mean, I don't I can't even say that like I feel bad that the slate didn't happen. I kind of just feel like that's uh like that's fucking insane that none of it played out the way he was thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:37

Yeah, because in retrospect, you basically shot the last five movies in the foot just so you can start your universe, but your universe has done not even better than the movies that started the universe before it. And I know a lot of people will compare this and be like, they'll be like, oh, um, that that's one of the gymnastics I heard. They were like, oh, 350 million. You know, Iron Man didn't even get 350 million when it first came out. Captain America barely made like 400 million when it first came out. It's like, dog, those movies were back in 2012, okay, 2010, 2011, 2008, 2009. Like, why why are we comparing 2026 movies and what it cost to make those movies and what they're supposed to be bringing back on movies that were made back in the day, that were obviously cheaper because the times were different, right? Tickets were cheaper, times were different. Money was obviously different. And yeah, I know like people like to bring up the whole inflation thing and they'll do the inflation calculus. Look, the movie's not doing what it's supposed to do. It's obviously the numbers are kind of showing that as well. I know a lot of people are trying to be out there and be like, oh no, no, no, look, my theater's full of them. Yes, that's one theater out of how many theaters? Sir, get a grip. If the movie doesn't do good, we just say it doesn't do good and we move on. But unfortunately, or fortunately for us, we got a little animosity towards the leader over there, right? So we we're kind of happy to see the crumble of the of the dynasty, just you know, just as the the evil villain before it with Walter Hamada. Now we're over here uh seeing the destruction again of something that basically did not even not even form. Uh Josh, where are we gonna be sitting at this rotten tomato score? Are we looking at a green splat here when the movie releases, or are we seeing a certain fresh? Are we gonna get it in the middle? What are we thinking?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:36

I think we're getting around, I think we're getting 60 credit score and 70 uh uh popcorn.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

70% popcorn, 60 on the tomato meter. Okay, yeah. I think we get a green splat. I think we're getting at least a 50. 50%. Um I think usually like 59% would usually grant that green splat. So I'm thinking somewhere in the 50s. I don't think we're getting below 50s. I hope we don't get below 50s, but I'm I'm pretty sure we're not gonna get below 50s. And for the popcorn meter, that one probably be at a 40. I I feel like the split is more people are more hate it to uh it's fine than people are actually liking it. You know what I'm saying? So uh that's just that's just my prediction. We'll have to wait to see what comes out with that. Josh, are we sad? Are we so sad that the DCU is gonna be coming to an end here? And no, okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:48

Okay, yeah, get the get the poppers, get the cafetti, get the fucking yeah. No, I mean I'm not sad, you know. Shit sucks to see for sure, but yeah, no, I'm not really sad about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:00

And you know, just to kind of touch on it as well before we start wrapping it up here, um, the Snyderverse part. Okay, because we did talk about it. We're not Snyderverse people, we're not preying on the downfall because we hope Zack Snyder comes back. If he does come back, cool. I'll be excited when Zack Snyder Justice League was announced and everything. I was really excited about that too. I didn't think um it was gonna happen, but if it does happen, cool. We're not on that side, but I do see a lot of people that are kind of preying on this downfall of Supergirl, and they're putting some weird stuff just to kind of discredit it and all that stuff, you know, kind of doing the same thing. Uh for me, I gotta say, you know, obviously you could do what you want to do, and you you can go ahead and preach for super, you know, the Snyderverse, and hopefully it returns and stuff like that. But there's a couple things that do that do kind of happen, you know, like this right here, like saying that it's dead. There's also a video going around of Millie Alcock that I kind of find distasteful when it comes down from the Snyderverse people. I don't know if you've seen it. I'm gonna look for it here, but I mean, I don't know if you've been seeing some of the conversations that's happening around those circles. And I gotta say, it kind of makes me sad because you know, when when the Snyderverse stuff was first happening, it felt like there was a little integrity, and now it looks like we're just trying to like dig at everybody just so we can kind of get that movie or at least Zack Snyder back. And I mean Yeah, and I mean parody, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:30

Right. I mean, we joke and we fucking say what we gotta say and whatever, but uh at the end of the day, artists and what they make and stuff like that, it all deserves to be seen and made by those who want to see it, you know what I mean, and those who want to show it. So, yes, is it cool to maybe think about the side of it's coming back? Sure. It does the second that's coming at the expense of another failed universe, yes. Are these movies though are these movies that I didn't really enjoy? Sure, but they're movies nonetheless. I saw them. And like no artist, actor, director deserves to be put down the way they are. So I don't agree with all the trolling and the jokes and all that stuff. I mean, some people take make this thing their whole fucking like personality. There's other shit going on, there's other movies to be watched. Well, I don't even think they'll give it back to Zack Snyder. I think they'll just start again with something else. Either that or just another perk year, purgatory year of nothing but Batman stuff. Like that's it.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:37

I'm gonna be honest. I think if they do give it to him, I think they'll do it as a little side thing. I don't think they'll give him a full-blown, you know, full-blown universe back, but I do think that they would ask him to come back because of the engagement and and all that stuff. But like I said, if that happens, I mean, I feel like a lot of people are gonna be excited and you're gonna have people basically attacking Snyder fans and people that want to restore it and stuff like that. And I mean, can we blame them because we're over here throwing stones back and forth and blah blah blah blah. It's just more of a I think that if this universe is gonna end exactly what you said is perfect the way you put it. I think we just gotta kinda wipe it all off the board and kind of move forward with this DC. Whatever DC universe comes next, you know what I mean? If I'm hoping that we're not gonna get a continuation of this one and we're gonna get a complete reboot and this conversation isn't wasted, but I you know, because if we're gonna look like bitter bitches if we fucking we're just like, oh fuck, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't wanna have to, you know, what is it? If we if we were to be like, oh yeah, it we we we're ending it really nicely, and James Gunn still sticks around, it's like fuck shit, you know what I'm saying? So let's hope that everything resolves itself as it's supposed to. Hopefully, Supergirl does do well. Um, we're all mostly talking over facts and all that stuff. If something happens monumental, that you know, maybe there's a post-credit scene that James Gunn is just holding out, and you know, it's gonna release during the film and it's gonna bring people in. They're gonna be like, there's a surprise cutscene, and you know, it's gonna get tickets going, and blah blah blah blah. And if you know, who knows, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:18

Who knows?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:19

Who knows? Who knows?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:21

We're just gonna have to wait and see, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:24

With that being said, though, Josh, that's gonna be the end of this one. Let us know if you guys are gonna watch Supergirl. Let us know if you guys already watched it at the time of this recording. I'm pretty sure you guys are gonna uh Supergirl should be out by now. So let us know if you guys watched it. Is it as good as these uh reviews are coming out right now? Are they bad? Uh future us, we're probably gonna be talking about it as well. So, you know, make sure you get on that and go watch that movie. I gotta let myself know. Um, Josh, let them know where they could talk to us. Let us know their thoughts if they're gonna watch Supergirl. Uh, any movies they want us to review, TV shows, any topics that we should be talking about, let them know where they can do all that.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:01

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SPEAKER_03 1:22:20

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:23

Alright, talk to you guys later.