Ep 517 Supergirl Spoiler Review

In this episode the FilmBros discuss James Gunn's Supergtirl

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh. Hey everybody. And welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros Podcast. Josh, today we have a colossal flop on our hands. Okay? We have a movie to review that is something that we've been anticipating, something that we've been talking about. And when it hit, oh my god. I mean, for you, it was probably glorious. You were like, oh my god, there's fireworks. Like it crashed, and you're like, there's so much fireworks. It's just it's a grand old day, right? And I was just more I was a little confused. I was a little confused of what's going on, you know. Uh, this movie we're gonna review, we're gonna talk about all kinds of aspects of it right now. It's it's not looking too good for it. It's not looking too good, it's not looking too good for a lot of people. Um, and we're just gonna have to start like jumping into this review. We're gonna have to start jumping into other aspects that are basically coming into this review as well. So Josh, go ahead and let them know what we're gonna be talking about today so we can just start getting to the meat and potatoes of all it should.

SPEAKER_02 1:14

We're gonna be talking about Supergirl 2026.

SPEAKER_00 1:18

Hey, I was just touching paste to see when you think you might be coming back. You know, I'm just worried that you're not gonna find your stride here if you keep going on the forward all the time car. You're not gonna find your people.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Yeah, well, that's the same clip. Supergirl, your most anticipated movie behind the flash when it was coming out. Um and so, you know, Supergirl has been a c a crazy ride to think about, right? Because, you know, what started as Gods and monsters within the DCU uh quickly changed to possibly the Superman saga because you know Supergirl was not a part of the slate. Not one bit, not a l not an inch, not a little bit. She wasn't a part of the slate, right? So we talked about when the slate was being revealed from James Gunn on YouTube, and then you know, when we we did our own reviews and what we're gonna be seeing, you know, the authority was technically supposed to be the movie after Superman. That's why we got a certain authority character within the movie. Um, I don't remember the name because who gives a shit? And so, you know, she did the Nanites thing, made her head come out her ass or coochie, whatever the fuck it came out of. It was crazy. Um we got her in that movie. It was supposed to be the authority, but James Gunn got a script supposedly that got landed on his desk from Anna Noriega, who he basically deemed as gold because he said, Hey, you know what? We need to green light this shit. ASAP with it needs to be done, okay? Booted the authority out the fucking window. Uh we asked him about that, he was like, Well, I can't I couldn't figure it out. But Supergold came around and it was just making so much sense. Made more sense to make the Superman saga than do a bunch of ridiculous characters, didn't it? Um, but that's okay. Because he couldn't even do it himself. We he actually hired somebody else to do it, right? And this was something that we were kind of hoping for, right? Because Superman, when it released, it was more of a oh, this is James Gunn's work. This is something that James Gunn did. And you know, if you're not a fan of James Gunn, then it wasn't gonna be your cup of tea, unfortunately. Um, so Supergirl came around and Craig Gillespie got the chair to basically direct this thing. Obviously, James Gunn is still gonna be James Gunn is still overseeing um as CEO. And so for me of DC Studios, so for me, you know, I is gonna lead to the questions because I I see a lot of people bringing James Gunn into this, and there's a lot of James Gunn defenders that are like, well, he didn't direct the movie, this isn't his movie. Why are we why are we talking about this movie like as if he and him as if he's the reason why this movie uh is not doing too good? And we'll get to the numbers in a second, right? But I kind of feel as you know, James Gunn being the head of DC Studios and him being the voice of everything, right? Going on threads and speaking all the time, and you know, we're gonna talk about the little back and forth pointing in a way. Um but for me, I'm like, you he's an active, like if he's not the main shooter, he's the guy who said point the gun and shoot. Like he's the you know what I'm saying? Um, but that's just kind of the way I take it. What do you think about like James Gunn kind of being the main talking point when it comes down to this uh whole like super girl saga that's unfolding right now?

SPEAKER_02 4:57

I mean, it's all kind of coming to an interesting place, I I feel, where though where the DCU is getting hate, James Gunn revision is coming to light, and people are just making the realization that I feel like we made a long time ago. And so it just feels kind of like it was a mistake, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

He did not love these characters as he should, right? Right. You know, you you would have really thought that when you know he basically said I couldn't crack the fucking Superman script till I seen a dog, my dog, his dog, his own dog. And he was like, you know what? Maybe I can do this. How the hell?

SPEAKER_02 5:39

I don't know how two and two pieces together, but I I don't know that shit either, bro. I fucking I I still question it. I I don't go back and rewatch that movie, but yeah, no, I I still understand it. I'm I'm still very much like, how the fuck did he get here? But let's hope his downfall is you know swift.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

I'm hoping the goalpost isn't gonna be moved, but it seems like that's what's basically happening. So I kind of wanted to run into this really quick and say Supergirl was the movie that needed to be done good. Superman could have possibly failed a little bit and still could have stumbled and still, you know, kept going. But if Supergirl did not meet the requirements that was necessary, whether it was uh a good tomato score and or good basically good uh return in an investment, basically, you know, good box office. That James Gunn was possibly gonna be able to stay stick around a little bit longer, finish up his you know his universe at least to a certain point, and you know, ride off into the sunset with you know the millions of dollars that he's putting in his pocket to direct a Superman movie and possibly Man of Tomorrow, you know what I mean? Um but James Gunn has basically been running DC Studios, and like you said, we made a realization a long time ago. We said, hey, this is probably not the guy for the job, but people still championed him. We've seen a lot of stuff coming out, and it you know, he was uh for a lot of people, he was the guy who was gonna bring back the DC universe. You know what I'm saying? Uh apparently it was dead to the point we we talked about. It was basically dead, nobody was showing up to the theaters. It seems like it's happening all over again, though. Unfortunately. Um, but with basically Supergirl coming in uh with literally less than the projected numbers, uh, where they were trying to lowball themselves and say that she might have came in in at 39 million domestically. She only came in at about 37 million domestically, right? 62 million globally. That is less than Morbius when Morbius was released, and also put back into theaters after Sony got yoinked. Um Warner Brothers is looking to lose 100 million to 120 million. Again, some people are trying to move the goalpost and say this isn't the movie that's gonna define the DCU for the next few movies, and or if those movies are gonna be made. I say that this is it. This is it. Like I said, Superman could have stumbled, but Supergirl, if it fails, it's a problem. Josh, what do you think about this whole goalpost movie that people are saying that mana tomorrow is now the movie that it basically needs to either break even or save James Gunn's job and not Supergirl anymore?

SPEAKER_02 8:31

The the fucking switchup is crazy, bro, because as soon as people saw that it did not take the Rotten Tomato scores dropping, you know, you can but it's fuck Rotten Tomato the whole time. But that shook their foundation so fast, I've never seen a fan base, you know, fucking quiver in their boots as hard as they did when those fucking things dropped. And yeah, we talked about it, we covered it a little bit, and now we can fully unload it since we've seen the movie. But the fact that everyone was just like, Well, lanterns was like, Well, lantern's comes out and that'll be fucking you know good shit and all that stuff. So, I mean, they're they're always gonna switch the goalposts, it's always gonna happen, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

And just to keep it a buck, too, because we did talk about this in a previous episode, so you guys need to go check out all our episodes because we talk about this shit all the fucking time. It's crazy. But there was a producer that basically said that they met with Peter Saffron and James Gunn basically met with David Ellison, who's gonna be running Paramount and basically bought Warner Brothers, and that everything was apparently fine and dandy up until Man of Tomorrow. There was nothing past Man of Tomorrow. Man of Tomorrow is the final stop. Um, it kind of shows me a little bit why he rushed to get the cameras rolling so quick. Like he, you know, usually these kinds of movies take a second to build up, get get the the script right, make sure that you know action scenes are going, boom, boom, boom. And then you bring the people back, you know, you give them at least a year break or something like that. And he brought him back ASAP. He said, Hey, you guys need to we need to get the cameras rolling. So, in a kind of a way, it seemed like James Gunn kind of knew this was gonna happen. That Warner Brothers wasn't gonna make the money back. I I don't know. I don't know. We'll unpack as we go down the road, but for me, like the his movements now in hindsight and the way things are rolling out. I'm like, did he know? Like, did he know? Uh Supergirl box office 100. Some people are saying up to 120 million dollars loss. It's unfortunate James Gunn has not said anything, but Peter Saffron did. Uh Peter Saffron decided to address the poor box office, saying, While Supergirl didn't meet our box office expectations, it's just one component of a broader long-term strategy at DC Studios that we remain confident in.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Interesting how the one that never says something comes out for positive reinforcement.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

He he had to come out to say something. Because James Gunn he's the money side.

SPEAKER_02 11:12

Of course he would. He's the money side. He's all he's gonna fucking he has to keep morale.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

But I don't even think he said anything when Superman did decent.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Yeah, no. So that was all James Gunn's he was doing fucking victory laps in his cubicle, apparently.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Like he was the one who was talking, but you know, you can't do it anymore because you're gonna get ridiculed on the internet.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Right. And Peter Saffron doesn't have social media, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

So he's like, I just go home. He's like, I don't even go on Threads. That shit some bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

Yeah. I don't know, dude. I mean, that's just sound that just sounds like hope and damage control to me, but you know, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

It is what it is. Um, yeah, it's unfortunate. It's bombing as we speak, but we do have some words from the writer, the director, and you know, possibly some insight on why we got certain, you know, things to happen within this movie. So it's really great that a lot of people are kind of telling on each other uh during this whole mess because they're just like, wow, we we can't just sink ourselves. We need to sync everybody. I think that's hilarious because if this was like Kevin Fahi and you know the marvels and all that stuff, Nia DeCosta took the hit when it was bad. Chloe Zow took the hit, you know what I mean? Like there was obviously there's a little bit of like words towards Kevin Fahi, but he's so unreachable, you're just like, okay, well, we're gonna go for the directors, right? DC doesn't have that, everybody's getting shot up, and everybody's like, I'm done being shot, shoot him. And I is like, why are we doing that here at DC Studios? You know what I'm saying? So we're gonna talk about that after our review. But Josh, let's start jumping into it. Like I said, DC Studios is off to a rocky start because Supergirl has even gotten a green splat on her rotten tomato score. Uh, tomato meter is at a 54%, popcorn meter at a 76%. A lot better than the critics, I will say. But I did call this. I knew it was gonna be in the 50s and it was gonna be a green splat. It had to be under 59, 100%. I know you were saying 60s and at least a uh a tomato, a healthy tomato, no certified fresh, nothing like that, but uh 54%. Josh, what do we think?

SPEAKER_02 13:40

That shit was crazy, dude. Like I said, as soon as that fucking as soon as these things dropped, I texted you immediately, and I was like, you were so spot on, and by like a percent. Because one more percent would have gave it that tomato. And so I was so in shock. I was like, crazy that we called it, even crazier that you got it got it by one percent. Insane.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

I had it, I had oh, you know, I had to take my shop boy, and that's that's basically what happened. I mean, I agree with this. I kind of felt like this was gonna happen, and even after watching the movie, I can see why the critics are split. I don't know why the popcorn meter's at a 76% though.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

I can I can't I don't get that either.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

I don't get that.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

I don't know. I don't know where that could be. I I I honestly don't understand it, and unless the target audience of this movie is actively like making fucking tomato to run tomato accounts, I don't see this happening. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Mm-hmm. Right. Um, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's a bad, not too great scores, and you know, we already know when we personally we don't really watch this, you know, run tomato scores. We like to talk about it, but everybody knows if the fucking tomato scores are bad, a lot of the general audiences were not gonna go watch this movie. And let me just tell you, I went to go watch this movie, my data was not packed. At about four people in there.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

I watched it Thursday night preview. My theater was kind of my theater was kind of full.

SPEAKER_01 15:15

It was a little full.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:17

But you go to the main one, uh you go to the main one.

SPEAKER_02 15:21

Uh yeah, I mean what we have like four different ones.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

So yeah, but two of them are the main ones. You have the one you usually go to, and then the Maya.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:33

So I mean, it's it's one of those two, and I mean, usually it will be packed on those two. You would have had to go to like Valley Plaza or something to really test the waters out because that's where you know, that's where you would have really saw whether or not people are going out to show it, but it's still good. I I do think that obviously fan showings if you did go that night, it was gonna be a little bit more packed because everybody who's gonna watch it first basically dipped a toe in was gonna do it, and then tell everybody don't fucking do it. Don't fucking do it. Don't don't don't fucking do it. And I feel like that's what you kinda did to me, John. I ain't gonna cap. I feel like you you kind of uh you kind of came at me with um, you know, with fire in a movie theater. It went and there was no fire. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 16:17

So I mean Dude, there is a fire. I'm sorry. This movie is not gonna No, you're not gonna fucking it wasn't that bad me this time, because it was bad, and I am gonna stay firm on that shit. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Well that's why we're here, my boy. We're gonna we're gonna talk about it and we're gonna break it down and we're gonna see where we stand with everything. And you know, maybe you're gonna open my eyes, maybe you're gonna I'm gonna open your eyes. We'll we'll have to wait and see. But Craig Gillespie was the director of this film, and I gotta make this notable because we're gonna be talking about her in a little bit. But Anna Noriega was the main writer for the script. She was the one who turned in this script, and James Gunn looked at it and said, It's so amazing! Oh my god, we're gonna make it right now, and then on top of that, I need you to do Wonder Woman and Teen Titans. Yeah, and then she was just like, Whoa! This script got that? Yeah, hell yeah. Give me, give me more, give me more. Um, so yeah, we'll talk about her. There was a couple other writers on there too. I apparently James Gunn did a little bit of writing for David Corn Sweat as well, basically did those scenes within the movie as well. So, I mean, he's uncredited. But I guess he had a course he is, yeah. Of course he is. Um yeah, Josh. Uh actors. Actors. Or I mean, where do I want to go first? Let me see. Cause we're I want to make a good clean getaway here, Josh. I want to make a good clean getaway. All right. Spoilers up ahead. Where there is spoilers before we talk about the characters and all that, that all those things. Josh, I need you to run down this movie just a little bit. Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers. Let them know what basically happens in this film.

SPEAKER_02 18:07

Alright. We're introduced to Kara. Okay. We um the movie starts off. She's at a bar, she's drinking great role model for you know, people, I would say, I guess. Um, we're introduced to her, crypto. Crypto gets shot by Krem of the Orange Field, some shit like that. I can't really remember the bad guy's name. Krem. He gets shot by Krem, Supergirl. Yeah. Kara meets with Ruthie, who was also done dirty by Krem. She had her family killed. They reluctantly team up with each other, uh, go through the movie, try to find Krem at multiple points. At some point, it gets bigger than them, and they had it involves a subplot with them having to save girls from trafficking, Lobos involved. Uh, we get some flashbacks to cars, homeworld, uh, of Krypton, and then a little bit more of their uh Safety Planet. I can't even remember what it's called. It was uh I can't remember what it was called, and then you know the movie continues, they stop the bad guy, and then the movie wraps up with nice little corn sweat ending. Okay, yeah, so yeah, I mean that's uh yeah, that's about where we're at.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Yeah, too bad, into bed, into bed. Um, so yeah, supergirl. Interestingly enough, it's crazy because what was I gonna say? I was gonna say something. That was crazy. Um, hold on. Give me a second, let me compose myself. Sorry, Josh. What the fuck happened? I literally just had a brain for it. What the fuck? This movie got me flustered. Hold on, hold on. Give me a second. Oh, okay, ready? One, two, three. Alright, Josh. So yes, and I think I feel as if we're gonna give, or at least me, I'm gonna have a good, decent perspective on this film because I haven't read the comic. I know a lot of people were like, oh, you know, this is nothing like the comic, so I fucking hate this thing. But I could tell you right now, I ain't seen the comic. So I can personally run into this movie without that on my back. You know what I mean? But I don't know about you. I don't know if you're the on the other side. Have you read the comic before? I d did you learn anything about it? I did learn about it after the fact. I wanted to know a little bit about it, but I got basically my opinion and everything without the comic notes.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

I didn't have the I had the footnotes of the comic. I mean, I knew I knew the art, I knew the kind of the same plot, basically. I mean, of I know of the characters, uh, and I know how it ends, but I haven't read it through anything like that. I mean I'm not saying I'm going like one for one, like this is a fucking Harry Potter, you know, chamber of secrets comparison to the book, but there is some stuff that they change, and you can not only you can only like scratch your head at such a thing, you know what I mean? Because it was like, why were the fuck would they do that? So some of the stuff they change for the movie, and you can kind of get behind it, but other stuff you look at it and you're like, that's not the comic you're adapting. Why would you change that? Why would you force people to read that and then change it? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 21:55

Yeah, because I did hear when I was doing a little bit of research for like you know the comic. comic book and everything like that. I heard somebody say, you know, comic books should be kind of like the extended cut of what the movie is. And I'm like, well that's not completely fair, is that? Because you know, sometimes we take stuff from comic books. Like I said, I mean we use this as an example because it's gonna be happening a brand new day, but like Sony is not going to be doing gray Hulk with the hat and the you know the costume and everything like that. They're not gonna do that. They're gonna use it as a leeway to push it somewhere else. So are we okay with with the change up if the movie is good, if the changeup is good. You know what I mean? If it's worse you know what I mean? That's the way that I see it. If it if you if it sucks and you're like okay well the original way would have been better okay then that's something different. But for me I didn't have an original way the the what they gave me is what they gave me. And I mean I want to talk about the comic a little bit because I did like I said I did research and I want to talk about the changes and obviously the comic is superior. We can't even cap the comic is clearly going to be superior than what this is. Obviously it took more time to write and to bake and get everything correct than what Supergirl the movie did. Right? So it is what it is. But we'll get to all that in a second let's start with these character starts we need to start diving into this review. It's time to start cutting in and hopefully see what the hell happened what went wrong and at least where me and you stand because I really want to know after giving you a couple days where how you feel about this. So Millie Alcock as supergirl David Corn Sweet returns as Superman Eve Ridley as Ruth Matthias Schwartz Schwar Schwarney as Krim of the Yellow Hills the fucking criminal that he is um we haven't heard anything from him we haven't heard anything from his little case and everything from his little DUIs and everything. But then again he wasn't at the premieres or anything like that either so it is what it is. And yeah I I want to say I mean you have David Krumholtz as Orel and you know you have other people that are side characters but for the most part it is Millie Alcock it is uh Ruthie um David Cornsweat more than anybody else for sure yeah I would even say a little bit more than Krem I don't know I don't know Josh what do we think about these characters obviously Millie Alcock is up to bat first how'd you feel about her run as supergirl um and I mean do you have any comparisons to the CW one?

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Because I know you used to watch that one I mean I'm I'm with the majority on this one I think Millie Alcock does great um I think everything kind of falls apart once you start digging into like the story and stuff and then we'll get there. So I think she's good. I think she's pretty solid I think I don't I don't fault her for anything that goes wrong in this in this movie. You know what I mean? Um corn sweat I don't have a problem with corn sweat like that. I think I'm having another situation where it's like you know Tom Holland and uh John Watts you know I told I tell you that I tell all the time that I don't have a problem with Tom Holland himself as Spider-Man I have a problem with the direction they're giving him so I think that I'm having another situation like that. Where I like him and everything around him everything around him just kind of sucks right now. Um that's kind of how I felt watching him but I don't have a problem with him like that. David Corn Krem Yeah Corn sweat. Krem I mean I think he was well acted I I don't like think there was much of a problem. I did find him kind of menacing he just looked goofy right and then he suffered and then again he just suffers from the story. Ruthie god I'm sorry she's gotta be like the youngest of the cast and I know I don't want to be too rude to a child actor but she was annoying the fuck out of me this whole movie. Me too her and Jason Momoa like Jason Momo is Lobo trash. It has to be like oh it's a dream roll it's a dream roll it's like it's what I've read since I was a kid give him stop please man I need them to say nice things about Lobo like it was just you know it was expected you know it was you know it is him you know I was hearing those things but for you to completely say that it was trash that's that's next level that's next level 100% crazy dude I'm sorry he was just there for action and I was just not I I mean even the actor shoes themselves like I I have a problem with just about everything but this he was every time he was on screen I was kind of just like alright man you do your thing Jason Momoa steal the scene for whatever time you're here and then don't bother fucking showing up again which is fine.

SPEAKER_01 27:05

That's you know and I noticed that too and I was like hmm I was like they really are just popping him in there just so he could basically come in and do a little bit of rescuing do a little bit of the damage for you know Supergirl but at the end of it all they still kind of fumble it with like their direction and the way that they kind of wanted to go and then like J first of all okay Jason Momoa's Lobo first of all for me I don't know if I know some people are like oh yeah he's him but to be honest I didn't I wasn't really feeling Lobo out of him for some reason. I feel like he was just doing extra when he didn't need to I don't I'm I'm kind of torn with his performance. I really don't think like I don't like him playing himself and I feel like that's what he did in Fast and the Furious and I feel like that's what he was trying to do in this one as well but also give himself like a a little bit more of a badass edge than his normal goofy self. And it was just more it just felt what is it? It's that feeling where it's like it's just Jason Momoa. It's just Jason Momoa.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

It's just Jasonomoa in fucking kiss makeup dude I'm sorry I yeah I just wasn't feeling him I I don't I wasn't feeling it.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

If you like Jason Omoa you like the portrayal but me personally I only liked them as Aquaman I don't see him in anything else I hate I hated him in Fast X. I know Josh was like oh I really like him because he was great and all this stuff and I was like I mean he played crazy but I just felt like he was just doing way too much and I thought it was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 28:49

So I don't know I I mean I for points I liked his motorcycle I think they got his motorcycle pretty on point.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Oh yeah his motorcycle and his hook but his hook to me also kind of small I mean sure I mean obviously they gotta make it more practical but it just seemed more like a prop than anything Lobo would use practically if that makes sense. You know what I mean? Like it's it's obviously comic accurate it obviously looks like the cartoon but if we're gonna you know put it in live action you gotta make it make sense and I just felt like that hook didn't really make a lot of sense for some reason. Um that's just me and I know Lobo. I just more I'm just more of I maybe I'm just not a big fan of Lobo.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

I've never really been like I've never been like oh yeah give me some I think they're trying I think they're trying to like mainstream him and you know make him like like Deadpool where they like you got really mainstream out of kind of nowhere after a little bit. So I think they want to try and do that. But is Jason Omo the guy for this? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Well I mean that's that's kind of where I'm pretty he is I don't know I didn't say to say they're wrong. I did like Krim I like I liked his portrayal even though I was like man he is a criminal in the in like real in the real world and in this movie too. I did like I just think he looked weird I d yeah I feel like he looked really weird I was like why did he do this Sam Millie Alcock I don't hate her but I think she was let down. I think she was failed for sure by the script or you know where like you had behind the scenes you know fights with David Cornwade and James Gunn about like where the direction should go and like there was real passion behind it and all that stuff. I feel like Millie Alcock just kind of came in with you know the mind that she's gonna get a check and eventually be in more DC universe and have work and stuff like that. More than what she was actually trying to put into this character. That I think she did I think she did fine yeah but it didn't feel like David Cornswood putting on the suit you know what I mean even though I personally don't really like his you know I I personally didn't like the choice. He's really grown on me a little bit and I'm just like okay that kind of you know he's a really happy go lucky Superman if they just tip the fucking underwear off it'd probably be decent. But like how you said it's just the bad people around him. But I do feel like he would you know like he's really a good pick for Superman. So I mean I really liked him. Eve I mean I'm not afraid to say it I mean they fucking gave that little girl that was in the Firestarter a fucking Razzie award. So I mean I think Eve should probably be right next to her and just be like hey just give me my next Razzie please like at this point because there's no reason for her to have had this much well I I don't think she had a lot of lines to be honest because she didn't really have an arc she had a little bit of lines and she was really played dumb like honestly like there's so many times where she just stood there. She would just stand there. You'd be like why the fuck are you just standing there?

SPEAKER_02 32:06

And she's just staring you're like why I don't know I didn't like her either I didn't really enjoy her um it was she was very much like I told you she was very much like the damsel in distress half the time talking about oh I almost I almost had him or whatever and I'm like I'm like can we be real this isn't some warrior person like in the comic this is this is just a girl and she wouldn't have had it I would have probably preferred had she bit the dust in her mission and then Supergirl you know takes takes her anger out on her creme.

SPEAKER_01 32:45

We're gonna talk about like plot and plot holes in a little bit but yeah no there there was better ways to kind of go about certain things when it came to that but for me I just think actor wise I mean they came in did what they had to do I really like Corn Sweat's performance I feel I feel like he shined the most and he had and he wasn't even fucking he didn't even do much yeah he wasn't in the movie that much but I feel like you kind of stole the show and he would kind of show up. I really like the father acting the father's acting well maybe that whole sequence that whole you know Kryptonian sequence sequence when like everything's going away and then they kind of show like how she was sent and everything I really feel like all that was well acted and it's just funny to me that Millie Alcock barely spoke in those scenes because she was obviously in distraught distress and whatnot but you know it is what it is. Um yeah characters everybody else was a guardians of the galaxy background character fucking we had the little blue aliens the little blue aliens in the bus we had you know we had fucking squids and shit we had I don't even know why in the in the how often was she using the headphones in this fucking movie did she even use the headphones often why did we get a whole poster with her like with headphones in a trench coat and everything she was in the trench coat she only used them like twice in the bedroom with where crypto was like swimming around her or flying around her and then that's like in a flashback scene it wasn't even like she wore it in the present day.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Yeah yeah and then in the beginning she was drunk at the bar that's it that's the only two times yeah other than that she wasn't using them like that interesting she rejects Earth so much she fucking she has headphones yeah make that make sense um uh so obviously the DCU because I I don't want to keep talking about the characters I feel like everybody just didn't really do too much but um world building wise obviously the DCU is the second movie there but they did say you don't have to watch any other movie to watch this movie and then whatever happens here you don't need to watch it to know what happens in Man of Tomorrow how did we feel about the world building I mean doesn't do any favors for what it said what Man of Tomorrow is supposed to bring which I mean you would think they would put something there hint something something I don't know but other than that this is a pretty self-contained story like I said you you get Lobo you get fucking you get Krypton which everyone knows blew up and you and yeah I mean that's that's gotta be it I don't think there's any other like outer world stuff affecting the grander universe here yeah no I mean corn sweat being in there does that kind of help kind of pepper in the whole continuity thing I mean yeah other than oh that's my cousin but like I said they don't do nothing with that not like the hint at what I'm assuming was his movie which was like oh I could have used your help with some guy or whatever but other than that like they don't really talk about what goes next so well I mean it wouldn't have been she wouldn't have been able to do that right because it wouldn't because he wouldn't have been able to have crypto crypto would have been on a different planet this movie would have had to happen after way after that yeah after the whole fighting thing with with Superman 2025 am I right yeah yeah because when she gets home there they end up at his place not at fucking the Fortress was it Superman's place or was it her apartment?

SPEAKER_01 37:11

I feel like that was her it was his apartment.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

No it was his apartment he actively that it looked like the same place from the first from his movie basically that's what I'm saying it looked the same but I don't think it was I feel like that was supposed to be like her place. That was her spot weird I don't know then I don't know I don't know but she I mean they basically said by the end they basically said by the end that like she's gonna be around and helping out and all that stuff and being a team player yeah how's that gonna how's that gonna work out since you know the ending of that since before that the ending kind of solidifies her as something else I don't know we'll see hopefully that comes out to be something interesting.

SPEAKER_01 37:53

I don't know I always want to know what the actors think because they always go to the premieres and they watch the premieres so I wonder if they're always like oh oh no you know what I'm saying like I wonder if that's like a like a thing. Um but yeah I don't know world building was I mean it is pretty self-contained but I do believe obviously if you want to know what's Supergirl or how the fuck she ends up in Man of Tomorrow when she wasn't in Superman 2025 you're gonna have to see this because they did put in cornsweat so it's kind of like peppering in that continuity to that point where it's like yeah you kinda do need to watch this movie. Do you need to watch every everything like do you need to worry about the main movie? No but you need to at least watch these little clips so there's so little you basically gotta watch the whole movie. You know what I'm saying? So it's like Yeah basically I mean you're telling us one thing but that's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Um but the plot let's go to the plot because uh yeah no world building was basically non non-existent and I mean they kept saying like we kept going to different planets hold on before we go to the plot but they kept saying we kept going to different planets I swear to you it looked like a different part of Earth every time except for Bestbin.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

But they just went to Star Wars real quick they went they went to the Star Wars universe and they flew into Cloud City and left was weird yeah man I don't know I think plot gets very it's not that it's m like okay it's messy and it's just no one's fault other than Ava Nig Nagaria because like I said we get Krem we don't really find out much outside of he has a he traffics women um he why does he show up for Ruthie's parents swords who knows they get they get they get slimed out in the most ridiculous way he leaves her for some reason knowing that she's there fucking she goes on a quest to basically you know find him kill him whatever stumbles on this a drunk supergirl who only cares once crypto gets injured and then you know they go on their adventure and then at and then the ending happens and you're kind of like huh whatever man you know what I mean sure I guess by this point who cares but there's no real if super if crypto was fucking trained and knew how to fucking listen and stop being such a reckless dog like James Gunn's dog apparently we'd probably be somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Well I mean okay well that means that we gotta dive back to like the whole character thing and everything because that's crypto's nature and he was just going to go save that one. But I mean obviously one thing that we do have to mention about characters too is that Supergirl kind of was made to show that she doesn't really give a shit in the beginning. She doesn't give a shit about anything um besides crypto basically and so I honestly think that you know when we talk about the whole ending once we get to the plot and everything like that I you know I feel like I'm gonna have a different answer for you than what you're gonna be giving out but I feel like character wise I feel like they were kind of laying out certain things with Millie Alcock but Ruthie's weird like jump around yeah I feel like that was obviously weird like she was just I gotta shit I don't even know where to start because I'm telling you like these this movie got me like I like some stuff but then they take stuff away if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

And the best way that I could put it is like okay Krem in the beginning he's there the boy gets dealt with because he comes out and spooks the the girl because he's like oh apparently you know it's a game or whatever right and so Krem does him in right why did he l let her live that's what I'm trying to find out that's what I said that's why I that's why I don't understand that I don't understand if she gets if she gets done in then and there's nothing for her to yeah like you were trying to go find and like trying to stamp him as his like badass which you did I was like oh that's pretty brutal I I mean if you want to talk about like the comparisons from like the DCU and the DC like DCEU and the DCU and I was like man like people say that Snyder's movies were pretty dark but I just seen a boy get dropped and like the first minute or two into Supergirl and like I Neck snapping aside they waited at least to the very end of the first movie to do something like that.

SPEAKER_01 43:03

No they fucking murdered a child in front of me and I was like oh shit like I for me the DCU stuff is kind of different because I'm like this is the kind of stuff that we're getting from the DCU and we're getting orgies and shit like that too apparently and like the DCU they never touched nothing like that. Snyderverse has never touched anything remotely that close to it so I was just like kind of weirded out by that um I feel like I'm just listing off things that I didn't like but like I said there's certain things that they do do but then they do other things that take those things away and so that's why I feel like a lot of the things that I'm gonna be talking about is is put like they basically give you something and they take something away.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

You know I don't know dude I just think there was a better way to intertwine everybody's piece. I I I mean even Lobo even if Lobo was like fucking a hired gun, you know what I mean or something. And Like was probably fucking double crossed at some point, probably would have made a better thing for him outside of like oh I'm just here to get a guy and then fuck off. You know what I mean? And then yeah, no, I don't understand it. I don't understand that. He just shows up to fight Supergirl, like I said, only cares about crypto, learns to care about Ruthie. Ruthie's still very much useless by the end of this movie. And then Supergirl's whole Supergirl's whole motivation and for telling Ruthie these certain things goes immediately down the shitter when she does what she does. So there's really nothing redeeming about any of these characters. If anything, Kram walks out un I mean, he doesn't walk out unscathed, but his character and what he does and what he and like what I guess his torment kind of leaves a mark because like you said, he shows up, fucks some shit up, and then moves on. But I mean, other than that, you don't get much backstory for him. Like what his deal is, nothing, not not even an exposition dump. That shit was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

That's true. Like, how the fuck did he get all those beads on him and all that stuff? Or like how they you know, nothing.

SPEAKER_02 45:13

Why do they call him of the yellow hills? Like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 45:16

I mean, they they expect you to know because they expect you to know the comic book, but I'm like, You change stuff from the comic, so it doesn't even matter.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

Um that's the thing. If it was a one for one, I'd I can get behind that. But it's not a one for one. They took some stuff, they took they obviously took the title, but like they took one like some stuff, changed up other stuff, and then was like, okay, now read the book, be prepared, because you might see some stuff, but then we're gonna change some of that stuff too. So it's kind of it makes no sense. None of this corresponds in the in the way that they should. And I know you said earlier, like a comic a comic book isn't gonna translate well into a movie, and I we've we've had that argument before, and I agree to a hundred percent. It's not you have to have certain elements come into play. But at the same time, if you're gonna take a whole comic book like that and try and translate it, you should keep keep more stuff more so than you know, changing shit up.

SPEAKER_01 46:19

Yeah, yeah. Well, like I said, I feel like we'll talk about that uh towards the end when it comes to like the whole comic comparison, but you know, the plot here, at least for what we got, you know, it's really weak. This whole oh she needs to get crypto uh uh crypto's medicine or whatever, blah blah blah blah. They literally poison her down the road and make it a point to be like, oh she's Kryptonian, she can't die as long as she's near the yellow sun. And eventually goes away when she like barfs it out and whatnot. Why didn't she just fly him to the yellow sun?

SPEAKER_02 47:05

Well their planet was still I can understand that a little bit. Their planet was still v uh on the red, in the red, and who could say they could fucking travel that far? I mean, they st they still had to travel a long ways distance until she found a yellow sun herself. And outside of that, they they were going to do a cheap cop out and be like, oh, how long was she on the bus?

SPEAKER_01 47:26

How long was she on the bus?

SPEAKER_02 47:28

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

I swear she was on the bus for like a couple of like maybe a couple hours.

SPEAKER_02 47:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:33

She didn't even use a full whole day.

SPEAKER_02 47:39

Yeah, a couple hours.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

She could have she could have took crypto on the bus with her and been like, let's get you to yellow sun, my boy, and we're gonna we're gonna yack this out real quick. Like, there's no point in even chasing this man.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

I don't know, dog. I guess crib I guess Kryptonian dogs are different. I don't know. If they don't have an answer for it, what makes you think I do?

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Well, I mean, we're talking about plots, right? We're gonna talk about the plots, so I'm gonna talk about the plot holes that I found, in my opinion, because I mean you already kind of ran down what basically happens in the movie. I'm just talking about the shit that I was like, okay, the beginning of the movie started off like this. The end of the movie tells us a different story, and it's kind of like it forgot what the beginning basically did. You know what I'm saying? Like Ruthie, like how you said Ruthie going from seeing her family being murdered right face to face with Krim to next thing you know, she's at a bar saying, I'm gonna get revenge. It's like, so did Krim just let her go? I thought he was trafficking these young women, supposedly. So like why wouldn't he have taken her with him? He just let her walk away?

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Yeah, he just let her walk. I would have preferred her story have been like, oh, she was.

SPEAKER_01 48:52

He goes, Oh, hey, Ruthie, scene's over. You can go find Supergirl now. Like, you can you can head on out, like we're gonna let you go. Go ahead.

unknown 48:59

Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Right, exactly. Yeah, we were large being time supergirl, even depowered, can still kick ass.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

That was another thing too, because in the beginning it was like you know what I I didn't even think it was a plot hole because I well, yeah, I kind of did because I was like, okay, if the rest are supposed to weaken her, so why is she getting her ass beat? Like, shouldn't she like lose technically? Like, how does she know how to fight? Like, does she train or something? It's kind of like what I would think, you know, anybody would be like, it would just be you know, kind of kind of instinctual, you kind of do whatever you can do, but I mean if you don't really if your biggest strength is superhuman power and that's what you rely on, because obviously that's what she kind of showed later on down the road with the whole bus scene too. It's like how was she able to survive this encounter? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

I mean I I feel like a lot of things could have ended in the beginning if the movie would have rode the way that it was supposed to, but somebody said, Hey man, the movie's gonna end if you just do that shit. And they said, No, well, we gotta extend it.

SPEAKER_02 50:06

We're just gonna Yeah, they don't establish that they don't establish she's like a warrior or anything like that, or she trained or whatever. She just That's the thing. I can un I can understand training with the super strength and that stuff. That would make her for a foe, but you're telling me even deep, she can overpower strong ass aliens, big ass people. I don't know, I don't I don't vibe with that. I don't understand that. You're not getting leeway. Um there, it's not gonna happen. Even powered, even with the fucking, even poisoned, she was like weak as fuck. And I was still just like I was I don't I are I don't know if Kryptonians in this universe are just weaker. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 50:48

Yeah, I I hated the So how did Homeboy have kryptonite? Boy just I don't know keeps it in the tuck.

SPEAKER_02 51:00

I get I don't know, dude. How the fu I I'm still wondering how Lex was able to get what's his face metamorpho to fucking make it out of fucking nothing. What's your reference at that point?

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Right. Where did you ever find kryptonite? How do you know he didn't exist?

SPEAKER_02 51:16

This is what I was trying to tell you. Another plot the thing is Krem immediately is like, oh, you're a Kryptonian, I know how to deal with you. And then he uses it and he goes, I've never used it before, but this is a nice reaction. And then like some shit like that. And it's and it's just like one, they never explain that he figured that out. Two, two, two kryptonians surviving and them, and you know, them understanding that shit doesn't make sense. Even Ruthie understood that, yeah, Krypton went up went up in smoke, and had to find out from Supergirl that she was the fucking she's one of them.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Unless, unless in that universe, because they've oh kind of that that that was one thing that I could kind of defend it on. Hold on. Unless in that universe everybody knows that those people conquer planets. So, like, if they're off-world conquering planets and they're superpowered, it's like, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 52:14

It's like Man, I don't even know. You giving you putting too much thought because I don't even think they've gotten they one, they haven't explained that. Two, it really feels like Superman was probably the only one to do that shit.

SPEAKER_01 52:25

No, because think about it, they did they did talk about it again too, because they kind of said the whole thing where it's like, oh, you know, they sent Kalel out there, they want him to kind of go do his thing or whatever, but the dad was like, Well, that's not what I want you to do. And the mom was like, Well, just be good. And then that's what basically what the I'm assuming the takeaway was is like you could be crazy, you could be fucked up, you could think like, hey, I want to kill this person, but make sure it's for good reasons, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

I I don't know, man. I don't know. When I hear be good, I don't hear I don't even dis I despite all that, I still don't even hear murderer, murder them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 53:04

I don't hear murderer, but I'm I'm saying like like obviously you can choose who she is, but just be as good as you can.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

Be good. Only shoot two people. Like, nah, man, no.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Be good. Make sure you don't let them suffer, stab them in the house.

SPEAKER_02 53:21

I'm only I'm only assuming they didn't even look like warriors or anything like that. None of these Kryptonians to me screamed out anything outside of fucking like they were just advanced. Everything every everybody but Jarel and what I'm assuming fucking Car's dad were the only ones that seemed to know what the fuck was going on. Well, yeah. So I'm only assuming Clark was there to conquer and just prov just preserve the bloodline. I don't think they were doing that shit like that. I don't think they're vulgarized like that.

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Oh, okay. You don't think they were doing it on the regular? You think that that was kind of like just the like, oh, you're our last hope to rebuild our population kind of thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:04

Like Yeah, I I don't believe that. I don't I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 54:08

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I mean, that's that's one thing about it. That's that's another plot hole, is that they didn't really elaborate, but they kind of showed that they're that obviously Jorell and his brother had friction because they had different ways of looking how at like how they should be going about things, where Jorel was looking into um repopulating on a different planet, his brother was thinking about how to preserve their own planet.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Right. And well, he failed miserably at that, but um, yeah, man. I don't know. I I I could have I could probably see their stories swapped in a different universe, like Kara was sent, but she ended up getting lost in space or whatever, and then when she gets there, she meets Clark, who isn't this conqueror, and you know, she he tries to like get her out of that mindset and all that stuff, but no, she shows up, doesn't even be like, hey, did you start? Or were you waiting on me? Are we starting the conquering? And like I don't know. I don't I don't know. They don't even elaborate on that. Clark not knowing a lick of Krypton, uh Kryptonian to me, also runs me the wrong way. That's just another direction thing I can't get behind.

SPEAKER_01 55:24

Yeah, especially if you why wouldn't you want to know your people's language? But I mean by the end of he was still using a translator in the first Superman movie, so it's like if if you're using a translator, that means that you didn't learn it, and then by the time he learned what it actually meant, well he just loved his his earth parents more, so by the end of it he didn't really care to wanna look. But that was like I said, that's after the fact because I mean obviously Millie Alcock came down from space way before you know, way before all those events in Superman happened.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

Exactly. You learn and then if you decide, huh? My parents are kind of batshit crazy, maybe I don't want to learn anymore. I you get behind that shit. That's that's it sounds reasonable.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

I mean, but I mean, yeah, yeah, and then he would have uncovered the the message himself. He would have been like, Well, wait, I learned Krypton. This is what my parents are saying, what the fuck? Or that's I mean, yeah, that's probably a a good plot hole too, because that would like that would mean that Superman he would have known and then they would have made it so why did Lex Luther need to expose? He should have known that it was this, that in the third win, yeah. So they rather just keep him going to the other.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

A little right, and a little controversial, but I think the I think the trafficking plot line was a little shoehorned.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

It couldn't be enough that he killed their parents and stuff. There Supergirl needed another motivation outside of crypto to be like, huh, okay, I can save these women. And like, no no faulting her for wanting to do that. I'm simply saying it's just shoehorned in. I don't I don't think there's any other way to put it outside of like halfway through. Yeah, like halfway through, they were like, oh, there has to be a little bit more sticks to this. Let's put this trafficking ring in there and then we'll we'll move on. But it it's shoehorned in. It feels like it's it doesn't really add or take away anything, it just feels like it's like it's there. Acknowledge me. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 57:37

Like it was shoehorned in for the sole purpose of being able to put that family in there where they poison her and shit like that to get their daughter back. I think that's the only reason. I feel like they they were like, Well, how did Supergirl get to this planet over here, or how did how is she gonna find Krem now or whatever? And they were like, Oh, we need somebody to help, and they need to have a reason, and the reason is why is because Krem is also taking women and they took her daughter. Like, that's basically like how I felt the pitch basically went when they were writing that shit, and it was like it was ridiculous because it it just makes Supergirl look even worse because where I was like, Okay, I was alright with the messy right in the beginning, where like okay, she can be that person who you know messes up and it's okay, but she actively was the reason why a whole family died. How the hell is homeboy faster than supergirl with superpowers where he was able to dodge well, apparently dodge and weave her, does she not have x-ray? Dodge and weave her and then get to the family. Regardless if she stopped Ruthie, she should have been able to turn around and you know, stop him from killing them, but she didn't. She just let them die. I was like, that's crazy. So yeah, maybe that plot line was kind of shoeing horned in, and I'm assuming it was literally specifically for that reason. I don't know. I can't think of any other reason why to have them in there. And it because it literally felt like at the end, too, she was like, Oh, they still have the girls in there. It was like, oh duh, we forgot about them. And so she had to go get them at the end and have that god-awful fucking out-of-a-hole laser, what the fuck scene. Like she flew out big as hell. What the hell? That was crazy on the big screen. That was insane. That was insane.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

Yeah, uh, they don't that they have not cracked flying down yet, dude. Well, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

Here's the thing, here's the thing you need a director with the eye to do something like that. Unfortunately, Craig Giuseppe does not have that eye. He's just not a he's never been an action guy. That's the thing, though, right? Like, he's this is his first like action movie. Everything else he's basically done. I Tanya, Lars and the Real Girl, Fright Knight. I mean, there was a little bit of action in there, but it wasn't like hand to hand, there was nothing like crazy going on, right? The finest hours, like he's not an action uh movie guy, so he would have not known how to do these action scenes. And you could very much tell that. I mean, if we're gonna kind of go down and get to the fight scenes already, I think they were all poorly done. They edited horrifically. Um don't even I'm gonna put fight scenes with the cinematography because the camera work in this fucking movie sucked dick. The fucking scenery was crazy. I could not see anything. I was in the theater, and bro, I could not see there was nothing happening. The ending with the whole Mad Max thing where like the bikes are going around them and shit, looked fake as shit. It was it was everything was bad. The camera work, the the way that they kind of filmed certain shots, like there was a lot of standard shots, but even when they tried to do something crazy with like super girl stuff, it was it felt like it felt like they tr attempted and they just did not know how to deliver it. So they did what they could. I swear to you, I swear to you, when I buy the movie, or if I see it on like Netflix or something, I'm gonna pause it. We're gonna see wires on that girl's skirt or something. We're gonna see her in the wires, like we're gonna see like it tucked up or something. Because I swear when I was watching it in the theater, I believe I seen her on her rig. Like, at least in Superman, we didn't see him. David Cornstway, it didn't feel like he was on a rig or anything like that. I think the only one that felt like that was the initial one with like the face was all fucked up and shit like that, the tri the trailer. But like every single shot that I basically seen, besides maybe like the bus scene, I'm nah, I would basically say the ending, felt like she was on a rig.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:48

Right. I mean, from the scene where she like poses to when she takes down that tank to basically her flying all over the place. Yeah, I mean, I would say for sure the way the way the camera was set up very much looked like they were centering it around her and whatever contraption she might have been on.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

I s I don't keep going, keep going, come on.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:09

I have a problem with the action scenes. I mean, I do. I hate when they fucking do that shit where like, oh, the bad guys are here, look away, and then you know they're kicking ass in the background. I hate that shit. Yeah, I hate that shit so much. That's one of that's gotta be like one of my biggest like film pet peeves. Like, I don't why would I wanna s why would I not want to see a superpowered individual kick some ass like that? Why? Why would you hide that from me? Um like I said, Lobo and her teaming up didn't really do much for me. Yeah, no, I would say every action scene kind of was whack. And I mean, everyone like cherry on the fucking cake gotta be the fuck that fuck ass needle drop at the end.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Oh, we're gonna talk about that one in a second though. Um I honestly wasn't the worst one for me. I'm surprised nobody's talking about the one that was um which one was it? It was the the Cantina one?

unknown 1:03:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Oh the lasers and stuff like that. That one was pretty bad. To be honest, I didn't feel like the last one was the one that should have gotten the most hate. I feel like it there was one in the middle. I want to say it was that the bar one. But that one deserved probably like the worst needle drop because that one was kind of like annoying to have to hear.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:34

I forgot which one it was to be honest, because it was kind of like the fucking the train, not the train, the bus fight scene. I could have probably gotten behind, but fucking teleporting everywhere, stumbling around, all that shit, ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:48

I actually enjoyed that. I liked it. I I saw like the one see the only fight scene that I really enjoyed was that scene. I like the jumping around, I like the whole, you know, after she got like pushed in the space plot hole, how the fuck did she survive that the whole frozen thing? I don't understand. It like they could just freeze, and then if they eventually find a son, they're good. Is that like just how that works? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

But I just so they can recreate that fuck ass guardian scene again.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:15

Okay. Yeah. Um, but I do think that what do you call it? Um I did like it. I like the whole like her jumping around and you know, climbing around the the bus and everything to like kick their ass and shit. Um again, I thought it was really dumb where it was like, oh, she got to run away. Like, how close do you gotta get to the sun? For it to for you to be like powered up too. That's one thing that they kind of don't know is like and it's exactly what you were saying. Um that's probably like one of the bigger plot holes is the skill Kryptonian power scaling in this fucking universe. It doesn't make any sense. Like Krim is not Krim was not Kryptonian, am I right? How the fuck was she able to slam the shit out of him over and over and over again? Like like if Corn Sweat was fighting, you know, the nanotech chick in the first movie or something like that, or the big dude that or you know, himself and shit like that. Like, it doesn't make any sense to me.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:18

They they said he had the strength of like 10,000 men, some shit like that. So I mean, yes, he was bouncing around like a goddamn basketball, and I think that's gonna be like the signature thing every time we see these these movies. They're they're gonna do something like that. But at the same time, yeah, you're right. How the fuck did he survive that? How? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

I would have thought that would have been like death for him. That's like, you know what I mean? Like, cause he seemed like a man. I mean, if you can get stabbed and that's it?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

Apparent apparently so, dude. Apparently so. I mean, like I said, I don't I don't think there's like anything out there. I mean, I could continue apparently. About that fucking the green sun and how the power scaling here still doesn't work because it takes her getting in the atmosphere for the sun to hit, but then she gets in the atmosphere of a green sun, which I've never heard of ever, getting depowered, feeling like kryptonite, and then she gets introduced into real kryptonite. So it doesn't not the effects in both of those things don't match up because she was not immediately fucking dying.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:27

Right. And that one was in her bloodstream. You would have thought it would have been worse. How was she just clear it up like that? Just because she went up to the sun?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:36

Mm-hmm. That's gotta be like the only accurate part about all that stuff. Where like you just go in the sun and you like it clears out or whatever, but there's moments before that in her bloodstream where it's like supposed to be actively killing her. But it doesn't really feel like that. But then moments before we have a whole scene where she's depowered and weak and on the brink of death. She doesn't even feel the sun rays either. She kind of just feels the warmth and then gets her powers back. She doesn't stick her hand in the sun and nothing like that. She just fucking feels it. That makes no sense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

I don't know. Weird. Weird. Weird. Um, but yeah, Josh. So, I mean, there is a controversial ending, which I think is kind of crazy. Um, we're probably gonna talk about that next, but let's go ahead and give this review our numbers, because we need to give them that first, and then we'll go ahead and talk about the little things at the back end, and obviously the big decision that they did, and you know, a little bit of the backlash that was given towards the ending. Because I do think, you know, and if I want to get started first, right? I want I kind of want to go first, right? Uh I want to say my piece and say in the beginning the movie was decent. I it was okay. Like I could get past certain things where it was like, okay, well, how'd she get away? Uh blah blah blah. Like I for me, the movie could have ended in the beginning, and I would have been like, okay, that's rightfully so, right? It's like a video game when you fuck up and it just goes eh and then you gotta start all over. No, this movie just says, No, we're gonna bypass that. We're gonna just go ahead and just get to the the main route. I do believe there were certain parts of this movie that were decent and uh to fun. I like Seth Rogan as a little alien. I thought that was kind of funny for me. Um you know, it was like, oh, can you move us closer to the sun? And it was like, Yeah, what if I had engines or balls? Like, okay, you know what I mean? There was a lot of plot holes within this movie. Um, music from Earth being everywhere, her hating Earth but taking remnants like basically from Earth everywhere she goes, down to the newspaper with corn sweat on there, you know what I mean? So it's like even though the dog pees on it, she still has it actively for what? Well, how's she getting today's issue too? That's another question I need to know. Um all in all, I do think the ending is what kind of divides a lot of people because you can't be satisfied with it. Like I said, the this movie does a lot is it gives you something and it takes it away. All right, it gives you a brutal in for Kram, but then they take it away by giving it an easy out for uh Ruth, right? Same thing with Supergirl, they give her they give you that big thing where it's like she's disgusting, but then they give you that out that you know she has she's a girl and she's has girl power, and so she's able to basically overcome certain things like that. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and I do think that that's what they basically did at the ending as well, where they took it away from Ruthie, but then gave it to somebody else, and you can't really decide whether or not you know you agree or you disagree, but we are gonna talk about that next. My rating for this movie though, after giving it all that speech, one being the worst, ten being the best, five being in the middle, I do give this movie a solid Cinco. I do appreciate it more than David Corn Sweat's Superman. It is way better than Superman 2025. Do I like David Corn Sweat in there? Yes. Was the movie Was this movie perfect? No. But I don't like James Gunn's directing from 2025. I don't like the whole bubble thing or whatever. At least this movie looks like a film in my opinion. Um there's certain things that I wish I could change and I wish I could give this a better score. But you know, I think a five is fair. I think a five is pretty fair. CGI was pretty dog shit in this movie too. I I kind of hated it. What about you? What'd you think?

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

You know, you know, man, I thought even with the the problems of this movie, I don't hate it. I would say if I had any con or positives to give it, it has to be Millie Alcohol, and it has to be the space scenes. I think I think those probably were the most stunning things. Like when she goes up in the sky and screams into space, I think that was pretty good. I I when she's playing French Right, and then when she gets when she's playing with crypto. As much as I don't like that dog, I like that whole space scene. I think that's nice. Um again, I like the scenes, I like the scenes with the laser where she's like shooting her heat vision at the ship and stuff. I thought that was pretty cool. I just I think if this movie was more space-centric, I would have enjoyed it. But it's not, it feels a lot it does feel like it's ripped out from a bunch of other stuff. And it's not even like good space stuff. This is average space stuff, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:35

Well, they took it from good space stuff and made it average, like they did average stuff. So maybe there wasn't a bunch of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:42

That's I think that's kind of where I'm at. I think this is an average movie. It kind of felt like I was watching like an like another DCE movie. Like if you were to tell me, hey, this supergirl movie came out in 2018, I would be like, I believe you. Because that's what that feels like. It feels like another it feels like a black atom, it feels like Shazam. It it doesn't feel like Wonder Woman. The last four movies. It doesn't feel like the last four movies, it feels like when they were still trying to put in an effort. So it feels like Aquaman, it feels like well, I enjoy Aquaman a little bit better, but it feels like Black Adam, it feels like the first Shazam movie, like it feels like that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't necessarily hate those movies. Are they good movies? No, but I don't like hate them.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

They're decent, they're yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:30

So I'm I'm with you. I think I'm at like a five, five out of ten.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:33

Okay. I think we do I think we both rate this movie a little bit better than Superman 2025.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:41

So in a way Superman 2025 got such a low number for me, bro. I hated everything about that shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:46

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, is like in a way it was kind of a step forward because James Gunn wasn't there, but what is it? It's five steps forward and then ten steps back kind of thing. It's unfortunate because we're gonna have to talk about that controversial ending. Where the DCU kicked off with a controversial ending as well, but actually in its first movie. Um, and that's when Manisteel himself, Henry Cavill, decided to snap Zod's neck. He snapped his neck, and a lot of people went crazy about it. Everybody lost their minds, they didn't know what to do. But then here we are in 2026. Supergirl has now done something controversial. Um there's a lot of things you can't do with this one that is different than what happened with the DCEU because this one was based on a book. And I gotta tell you, that's where this death sentence I feel basically comes from. Is because there is a source material that you pull from, and it's not hard for you to just adapt a motherfucker, right? But apparently Anna Noriega had that issue herself. Um, because I did have to do a little bit of research to even know where she was kind of hiccuping on this thing. Uh, apparently in the comic book, Krem does not die. He is put in to a into the phantom zone for 300 years after Supergirl basically talked Ruthie out of doing her whole revenge thing. They put him in the phantom zone. He comes out, begs for forgiveness from Ruth. Ruth says, I don't forgive you. Basically, a lot somewhere along those lines, I don't forgive you, but I'm not gonna kill you or anything. They bonk her on the head, uh bonk him on the head, and they walk away. They they he's not dead, he's not dead in the comics. So why do they choose to kill him here? Well, that's Anna Noriega's thing. All right, so it says here the final battle season, emotional breakthrough from Kara and Ruth, but also a very final moment for Krem. It also leads us to what we're going to see for Supergirl when she joins Superman in Man of Tomorrow. How did you go about crafting the ending? This interviewer basically asked uh Anna Noriega, and this is what she had to say. The ending between Krem and Kara was always in it from the pitch, truly from the very beginning, because the comic ends with Ruth killing him, but in the far, far future, we knew we weren't gonna be able to do that kind of time jump. I find it's quite a dark ending of the comic. He essentially has changed and she kills him anyway because she still just has this anger, and you understand there's this element of deserve, right? So we wanted to craft a villain who would deserve this, but also wanted Kara to really care about preserving Ruth's innocence and to feel like she could take on killing him, that she could be the one to bring justice to this man and do it without burdening this child. It's different for Supergirl, and I think I it feels different for audiences. And I okay, so a fundamental in my opinion, because I did some research, like I said, and I think a lot of people agree with this whole notion that he did not die. I also believe Tom King came out and said that Krem did not die. It was kind of confirmed by Tom King himself, and he's the one who wrote the damn thing. So there's no real real like running away from this thing and being like, oh, this person, this person, this person. Anna Noriega fundamentally misinterpreted the scripture she was supposed to adapt. Okay, and she doubled down on it in this thing because nobody told her to say this. She literally said in the Ruth killing him. She goes down and says that she finds it to be quite a dark ending for the comic. That she's just in all this anger that she that the villain deserves it. So I I mean, you think that fundamentally he died, but everybody tells you he did not. So sh fundamentally this script was fucked from the jump because they did not know what what the outcome was supposed to be, or what the adaptation was supposed to basically be by the end of it. But I don't know. Do you agree with this sentiment of possibly it's it's the comic death sentence with this ending, or is it obviously just a character flaw within the movie that was made?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:19

I think this was a huge fucking misstep. I th I mean she obviously didn't understand what the fuck she was reading, but two, the whole movie pitches that you don't have to be this person, like like Cara's talking like she caught a body before. We've never seen that, we've never seen it happen. Right. She's this is essentially her first body, and so what the fuck do you know about it scarring you and all that stuff? You know what I mean? Right. Whatever. You're pushing that message. The whole movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:52

When I took from that was the whole seeing Krypton explode and seeing your parents and everybody die and shit like that. Like that's what I but like I get what you mean, where like she like she's not coming at it from a point of like I lost people and so I'm hurt and I understand her and shit like that. She's coming at it like, nah, you don't want this dog, you don't want this kind of life, you don't want to be doing this kind of shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:16

Like she's the punisher.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Then like those are two different things. You couldn't help your planet. That's that kind of uh what is it? Survivor's guilt is gotta be a little different than being like, nah, you don't want to murder people, it stains you type shit. Like I like when I hear Black Widow say something like that, I'm I can understand that. You know, when she's like, I got blood on my ledger. Like that sounds like a killer.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:38

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:40

This this is the she's talking like she's caught a body before and it's stained her, whatever, and it's not her fault. So the fact that she's peddling this message, I'm writing, I'm writing along with it. I can get behind that. You know, she's trying to if she if she's having flashbacks of be good, and then you know, she's wearing Superman's crest, which we know means hope, and all that stuff. One, she shouldn't be wearing that shit. Two, the whole movie decides to change that up immediately when she kills him. And I can't help but feel like you're peddling a different message at that point.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

Yeah, yeah, there is some inconsistencies because in the beginning it was it felt more like, oh, you don't want to go on a revenge trip and everything, you want to be better than that. It's like, okay, cool. Maybe you know the older person just understands you know revenge is not the way to go. So I could get behind that. But then you go down the road, and then it's like she's down for this revenge stuff because her dog went down, but she's not down for Ruth to get down with the revenge stuff because she's so young. So, like, the whole movie to me is basically saying like she's down for the business, but she's just not down for Ruth to be down for that business. And so I I mean for the movie itself, I do feel as though they kind of set up this whole arc where it was like she's gonna do what she needs to do for the greater good, and I think that's where it kind of differentiates from the comic, and I do think that that's where you know that whole oh Superman doesn't kill people. Well, Supergirl apparently should not also kill people.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

That's kind of where my thought process was going. If she would have okay, because she stabs them twice, one for crypto and then one for Ruthie. I would have understood it, and I would have been fine if she got a little lick back personally for crypto. The little nick, I would have been like, all right, cool, that's understandable. She's mad about her dog. But for again, to peddle all that stuff and then stab him has got to be different. And if you're mad, if you're not mad about that, I want to paint you a picture of what happens in Man of Steel.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

But no, yeah, but I I will say I am mad about the two stabbings. Like, I for the character, I understand that she was going to want to have to kill him because he's a bad guy and everything like that. I kind of felt like it was gonna happen. What I don't like is that you pedal that whole don't fucking do it message, don't do revenge message. Like, I would have totally been with her if she was like trying to take that burden away from him from her, but also trying to put him down mercifully to basically, you know, stop him from ever hurting anybody again. Like, I could be like, okay, she could put that shit to the side, and that's why she's the messy one or whatever, because she needs to do what needs to get done at any means necessary where Clark won't do shit like that, right? I could have understood that, but she stabbed him twice, and so that's where I was like, oh, sh now she's kind of having fun with it. That's not a hero to me. Dog, you basically a villain. Like you just like for your dog, it should have just been one stab to you know, to the brain, to the neck, throw him into space. You know what I mean? Either which way I think it's kind of weird when superheroes kind of like go that far willingly for no reason. Because at least Superman with Henry Cavill Superman in the DCU, Thod was actively gonna kill a family. He had no choice. It was the back was against the wall, they were equals, it it one of them had to die. But here in the DCU, the dude was knocked down, he could have been handcuffed, if anything. I don't know his power scaling because he did tank supergirl's flips and all this shit, but I assume he wouldn't have lived through that. It's not like he could fly, he had to find a spaceship to get the fuck out of there. So it's like he's significantly weaker. That's like Superman picking on just a normal that's like Superman beating on Lex Luthor. It's there's no point in doing something like that. So it's like you I feel like it's she's a villain, I feel just a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:05

I think that's just I don't know, because we're gonna I can't help but feel like it's different. Obviously, murdering is different. Like I said, if if it was that stab to the stomach, sure, he could survive, he could live off that. But twice, you're right, that's that's he's unarmed, he's beaten. You you basically executed that man.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:25

Yeah, yeah, I'd never see superheroes doing executions, like the punishment is that, but she's not the punisher, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:23:33

Right, right exactly. And this is essentially again her first body. When when Henry Cavill had to do it, like you said, people were at stake. Yeah, sure, Kram could come back or whatever and do it again, but like you got beat so fucking bad. Would you want to do this again? Right. No, he's not a superpowered individual, he's a he could be an average motherfucker. That the ending could have been the same. I'm not saying fast forward to three months later or whatever, but saying a sequel, they pass by him and he's like a farmer now. You know what I mean? Some shit like that. Why couldn't they?

SPEAKER_01 1:24:02

I don't know where they put it where she puts him in the phantom zone, like in the comic.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:07

There's no phantom- I don't know, there's no phantom zone. I'm I can't c I I can't be one of those people that be like that because when they say that shit about Man of Steel, I I gotta play it fair. The Phantom Zone, I think, just doesn't exist right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:20

Yeah, there's no Phantom Zone in this one, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:23

There's no Phantom Zone in the DC EU either, and people still try to be like, could have taken Zod there, and it's just like Shut up. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:31

But Zod was in the Phantom Zone.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:34

He was, and then what they basically blow up their only way to trap them there. When Zod shows up at the end, it was completely accidental. He managed to outlive outlive his people because they got sucked up.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:47

Pause. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:50

I just think it's I just think it's crazy. I think you paint the whole movie as oh, don't kill. Don't kill, don't kill, don't kill. And then at the end, she stabs him twice, kills them, but she executes them at the end of the day. Not even to I like I said, I don't even think saving, I don't even think saving Ruth would have been, you know, saving her from that innocence would have been anything too drastic. I don't know. I don't know. I I can't get behind this ending. I can barely get behind her as a character. And then now you're telling me, okay, so she gets drunk, she uh she likes to have fun, she gets on this very serious mission where she executes a guy at the end of it, goes up to Clark, and is and then is like, I'm ready to join your team now. No, dude, no, I'm sorry, no.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:37

Well, no, because I'm assuming that was after her drinking with Ruth and everything, and then she goes back to Earth.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:44

Oh, she goes back to have party, that's right. Hey, I just executed a man, let's fine, fuck it, let's go drink. Doo doo doo doo doo. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 1:25:52

Crazy. Um, yes, so that was one of the controversial endings right there. You did name another one, and one of those controversial endings. Um well, not just well, before we go to the the next one, really quick, we do have Greg Giuseppe basically stepping in to defend what happens in this movie as well, where Anna Noriega basically came out and you know made her death sentence and basically, you know, said, Hey, I funnel fundamentally did not understand this movie. It seems like Craig Gillespie kind of didn't either. I'm not too sure. Um, but one thing is kind of weird is that Lobo was supposed to be more involved in the final act. Um Jason Momoa did say that there was two kinds of endings. A lot of people were kind of taking that as like, oh, there's a second ending where um there's a second ending where Krem would have actually lived instead of actually died. Um and no, the director actually comes out to defend that and says, I haven't seen the movie yet. I we shot two versions, or sorry, that was Momoa's reply. He did say that um I haven't seen the movie yet. We shot two versions. When the men's journal reporter said they didn't have the issue with Kara's decisions, uh Momoa added, I love that for you. And that basically that's the the the statement that basically started everything. And so when it ran down to Giuseppe, I think obviously he has to go and start saving everything or at least trying to do what he can to clean up whatever's going on right now. Um, he did say what Momoa probably meant. He did uh Giuseppe said there was there were two versions of how much Lobo helped. Not necessarily with that whole uh with that, but the whole fight sequence we did. It was the balance of how much needs to be uh the two of them. It ultimately it's ultimately super girl story, but the actual ending never changed, which is amazing. That's something uh co chairman and CEO James Gunn was stoic about all the way. Through to the point where sometimes conversations of do we shoot a backup to that in case we have test screens, test screenings and it go south. James was always like, Nope, this is this is it. I love that. It's it kind of informed the whole film for me, he says. Knowing we'd go that far at the end of the film, gives permission elsewhere to do things. He did he was asked as well if the man of steel moment played into their process at all with the whole killing the villain at the end of the movie. And he did say it actually didn't. It just felt like the absolute like absolutely the right thing. It made sense to me as a character that she would do that. Everything we've seen her do through the film and the way she processes uh everything and the way she's different from Superman. I couldn't really see another conclusion. I think James felt the same way. So it's a good thing. I'm gonna run I'm gonna say I'm gonna tell you again what Giuseppe said James Gunn said when he would ask, Do we need safety nets? As in a safety net for a test screening in case it goes south. Uh uh, you know, just in case, you know, things don't work out. And this is what he said. James Gunn was always like, Nope. This is it. I love that. It kind of informed me for the whole film, says Giuseppe. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:40

Fire, fire James Gunn, fired Gillespie, and fire fucking Anna. I understand that when they said when she said that it kind of stayed the same throughout the whole process, I can get behind that. That's fine. But James Gunn, the hailer of the the fucking that people like to suck his dick and be like, he knows comics and this, this, and that. He was okay with this. I don't want to hear shit. You know, no fans, not nothing like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:07

But think about that shit. He they everybody was saying that he loves comic books. Yeah, the fucking guy who couldn't even get Superman's middle name.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:18

Yeah, man. I don't know, bro. Holy shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:22

Y'all remember that clip. We remember that clip, right? What's just Clark Kent's middle name? What is it? What is it? What the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:34

I'm so lost. I'm so lost for words. This whole team missed the assignment.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:38

Anna Noriega script, he greenlit Anna Noriega script. He said this was perfect because she even said that this was the way the movie was supposed to go. So he read the script and said Krem died. James Gunn also has the fundle misunder fundamental misunderstanding of comic books as well. Because he took the script that he got, said that Krem dies, and actually rode with that all the way to the bank.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:07

Yeah, no. Fire this whole team. I'm sorry, no. James Gunn doesn't get it, Anna doesn't get it, Gillespie doesn't get it. This whole team didn't understand the shit that was happening here. I would have enjoyed it a little bit more if she was like, I'm not gonna kill you, Ruthie's not gonna kill you. Hear Lobo's problem, and then he, you know, they ride off into the sunset because his head is a bigger paycheck, whatever. I can get behind that. That's fine. That makes total fucking sense. If she's not she's not gonna enable it, but she's not gonna disagree with it either. Some people, it's their jazz. Let Lobo take care of it. If that was their scapegoat, they had it there, and they just didn't fucking use them. I'm sorry. No, I'm I gotta re-val I gotta reevaluate it. I think this whole team shot this fucking movie down. Two shots in the sky for the same two stabs that they fucking did this movie. All right. This movie's a four.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:55

I gotta put I gotta put on my thinking cap really quick. I have four. I'm re-evaluating. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:59

Yeah, this movie's a four out of ten. There's no way.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:01

Sorry, it was already locked in. You can't re-evaluate.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:04

I'm doing it now. It's too late.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:06

I need 20 pounds from you. UK dollars.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:11

Uh-uh. Uh UK. Like pebbles? You want shillings, my man?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:19

I want your golden nuggets, please. Um, so I I need to put my thinking cap on. Because hearing this kind of makes me a little baffled, okay? Because James Gunn read this script, okay? Hear me out. The authority was next. James Gunn read this script and said, Oh my god! I can't believe it. It's so great. Let's green light it right now. So he they green light it. Obviously, the script said what it said. They they said they haven't changed it since the beginning. Krem dies. That's the way he wanted it to go. This was supposedly his favorite comic. That's why they were doing this one. This was like his the best comic in the world for him. Like he loved this one. I'm thinking okay, and I'm just going off of action. I don't I'm I I could be wrong. Obviously, the authority was too much of a risk. I think that it was just something that they just could not feasibly do. Um I'm talking about Warner Brothers at the time. Um, and so I think they told him to take that off the table, but he was basically stuck with an open slate and did not have anybody else to fill it up and got this bullshit ass script from Anna Noriega and said, This is gonna save my ass. Did it save your ass, James? Did it save your ass?

SPEAKER_02 1:33:48

Did it save you a hundred and twenty million dollars?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

Oh, did it save your ass? That's what it looks like to me. That's the only possible explanation. And because you can't say that you love this comic. You did not bring half of the stuff. Like I looked up the comic. I did because I was kind of curious and I wanted to see what it looked like. Everybody knows what the comic cover looks like. Um good thing he didn't call it Woman of Tomorrow. See, everybody knows that one. But like this is the kind of artwork we see in there, you know, like colorful shit. We see all kinds of crazy stuff in there, whatever, blah blah blah blah. Like they couldn't make this kind of budget regardless. So it just seems kind of weird that this was kind of brought to them and they were just like, Yeah, we're gonna do something like this. When like all this cu comic stuff that I see out of it is all cosmo stuff, like this is all cosmic, like this is sci-fi. But we're doing scenes on Earth. So, I mean, uh this comic looks like a big shoes to fill already, and the fact that they were just like, Hey, we're gonna give you guys this packed up version is crazy. They don't respect you as a comic book reader.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:17

Follow the whole team, fire the whole team. Your people don't the the people that you guys were praising. I need you to understand this. They don't care. They don't care. You'll never have heart in anything that they make ever again. And I'm not talking, James, I'm not just talking like as a studio, because I'm sure we'll get gold nuggets here and there, even Marvel shits out a gold one every once in a while. They laugh at you. They're laughing at you. They they expect you to eat garbage like this up. They expect you to eat Superman up. If I'm telling you, if you had a problem with Man of Steel's killing, you should have a problem with this ending. And if you don't, you're spineless. If you if you didn't, if you don't have a problem with the ending needle drop, I mean if you yeah, if you have a problem with the ending needle drop, you also need to have one for Superman's terrible needle drop. I think that Mr. Terrific needle drop scene, terrible. I fucking hated that shit. You're f yeah, like you're again, you're spineless. If you aren't holding people up to these standards, you're spineless. I'm sorry. They they don't care. They don't care about you and they don't care about Superman. They don't care about you, and they don't care about Superman.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:20

Is that not James Gunn's standard though?

SPEAKER_02 1:36:23

Where he doesn't care about people?

SPEAKER_01 1:36:25

Well, I mean, what he's been putting with Superman 2025, obviously we saw with creature commandos and all that stuff. Like, that's that's the standard that we're getting, right? We're like, you know, if you look at the DC EU, let's say Zach Snyder, the Snyderverse, there was a certain tone that he had some kind of like grand scheme and all that stuff, and you know, there was weight behind it, and it was at that level, but DCU after like the whole Snyderverse thing, probably like around Justice League, it started losing that bite, but as you said, they were still trying in a way, so they were still trying to keep that bar kind of high. With this DCU, there's no bar, there's no bar trying to be lift here, there's no, you know, trying to move the needle anywhere. It seems to me as that like everything that this universe does has no significance, there's no weight behind it, there's nothing there. Even fucking Batman and Robin, the worst one with George Clooney, had some kind of like you know, the plot was bad, but they they were trying to give you something out of it. You know what I mean? This one, it just felt like like I said, it feels more like they just put it together to kind of fill up the authority slot. Um, but I mean that's just me. But like you said, there is another big issue with this ending, and that's the final needle drop. If that was kind of like the lube that basically started the slip and slide, holy shit, right? Um, because Anna Noriega did say that there was about forty-five songs, right? And Craig Giuseppe decided to uh kind of confirm that in an interview saying that uh that last that last note right there, they went through 45 songs, there were a lot of options. He said that last one was probably the biggest discussion, and it was down to the very last week. I gotta give James Gunn credit for that one, he added. That a remix of a classic was also a runner-up of for the soundtrack scene, but didn't say what it was. Um and basically James, he's basically saying James Gunn was the person who picked that out. Out of 45 options, this was the last one. So like I said, not the worst one for me, so I'm not really upset. But I mean what do you think about Craig Giuseppe throwing James Gunn under the bus again?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:05

It's it's always gonna be him, man. I fucking he's the guy I answered to. He wanted this. I mean, the middle isn't your guys' bad song.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:15

Like, shouldn't you like don't people aren't you supposed to take a bullet for your boss? Isn't there supposed to be like uh some kind of not some kind of like oh shit, that was my bad, I want more work or something like that. Because to me, that kind of shows that James Gunn is kind of a pushover, right? Like you're you're your own people are telling on you instead of just eating up the fucking bad the bad publicity or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:44

Nah man, not when fucking key is giving them right, right, right. But like, you know, that's because he has no one else in house, but that's besides the point. Oh, he's out of options, so he has to suck it at it. He's like, I'm working with sharks here, please. But um, yeah, no, I I think when you work in Hollywood like that, like a lot of it is very much like, well, they said like the producers, the creators, they wanted that shit. I had nothing to do with that. Wick wig. I mean, the middle isn't a bad song. I just think the cover they chose and just like slow it down and make that whole fight scene slow.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:28

As if it was supposed to be it it being like a rip-off take of like what James Gunn did in Superman and what he did in the hallway scene in Guardians of the Galaxy, it's like it being a ripoff scene and not done as well, and then also feeling very mad maxi, is kind of like, damn, what the fuck happened here? You know what I'm saying? It's like he tried to copy Guardians of the Galaxy, he tried to copy Mad Max, and James Gunn was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:58

Start from scratch. I'm not saying James Gunn should direct everything, but holy fuck, at least, you know, call in real hitters, because this is not working. The fact that no one wants to work with him and you're getting people that only do short films and rom coms and all that stuff, like I'm sorry. No. No. If this was a rom com supergirl movie, I mean I can understand that, but this is you're adapting what is arguably one of the her better stories of the last like decade. No. Yeah, you need heavy headed for that shit. You need someone that knows space, you know, someone that knows m sci-fi. But no. No, no, no. You fucking this whole team sucks. I I I can't even say I'm looking I'm looking forward to like Matt of Tomorrow just because that's James Gunn stuff. I can't say I'm looking forward to lanterns because that shit looks mad boring. I can't even say I'm looking forward to clayface for like the horror aspect, just because I don't I it feels like Joker.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:57

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:58

So, like, I mean everything everything is doom and gloom right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:03

You might get your Batman in Clayface.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:05

Man, fuck. No. I'm trying to be nice. Okay. But no.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:11

No. Well, I mean, so I mean, can we agree that the final needle drop wasn't so bad?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:16

I mean It was ass. I know.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:18

Oh, I didn't think it wasn't, it wasn't so bad for me. The visuals were atrocious. Maybe I I think that's what like I felt like I was attributing at first, because you know, you need good music to kind of complement what's on the screen. And when you have neither, it's just kind of assaulting you. I kind of was I like music, so I could vibe with almost anything, so I was kind of vibing with it, and then I was just like, wow, what I'm like my ears are okay, but the eye sockets are being assaulted currently, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:52

It's all bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:54

It's all bad. It's all bad. But let us know what you guys think though. DCU is in trouble. Josh, we're gonna be talking about this more in our next episode, but we gotta wrap it up here because this is all that basically has to do with Supergirl, the box office, everything that's basically happening. Supergirl is in trouble. And if you're a real DC fan and you haven't seen Supergirl yet, shame on you. Shame on you, because we DC fans over here, we watch everything, everything. We have to, we have to. It needs to be done. Uh, but let us know what you guys think. Is James Gunn sticking around? Did the goalpost move for you guys as well? Will Man of Tomorrow be the new this is the end, James Gunn? Or is it Supergirl? Do you feel like he let you guys down? Have you lost faith in James Gunn? Has the gun jammed, as they say? Let us know what you guys think. Check out Supergirl, it is in theaters right now. Better hurry up before it gets into streaming because that's probably where they're gonna recoup a lot of their money. ASAP, they're gonna be pulling a uh a COVID movie in the 2026 era. It's crazy. It's crazy. I haven't seen it in a long time. But let us know what you guys think. Any movies you guys want us to review, TV shows, uh, you want to hear your voice on one of these episodes, Josh, let them know where they could do all that.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:18

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SPEAKER_01 1:44:39

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:42

Talk to you guys later.