Ep 518 DCU Projects in the works, MCU post endgame and x-men, Sony decides to cut off physical media and more

In this episode the Filmbros discuss DCU Projects like new Mr. Terrific show, MCU X-Men reboot, Sony cuts physical media, fancasts and Supergirl shills

Transcript

SPEAKER_11 0:00

What up, everybody? I'm your host, JP, and this is my co-host Josh.

SPEAKER_07 0:04

Hey everybody.

SPEAKER_11 0:04

And welcome back to another episode of the Film Bros podcast. So today, man, it's actually a day that I'm gonna be a little upset. You're probably gonna be a little upset, or you might be a little happy. I don't know. You might be a little happy. I'm a little upset. I'm kind of not in this mood today, okay? Because let me tell you something. All weekend, or at least for the past two weeks, I've been going through this whole, you know, my own what I like to say PTSD. Okay. A couple of years ago, probably around 2022, uh, physical media has been slowly declining. Okay, maybe before that, maybe 2021, 2022. Physical media has been on a slow decline. Not a lot of people have been buying a lot of physical media where it comes to video games, when it comes to movies, physical media has been taking a dip and a dip hard nonetheless. I cannot lie. A lot of people, a lot of you younger folks, TikTok brain kids. All right, I'm looking at you. Oh my gosh, I'm looking at the other side of the the microphone here. You guys don't do physical media. Why? Because you guys have your cellular phones and your streaming services. So you guys, you know, you guys have kind of done away with that. Uh Best Buy basically got rid of their uh physical media section when it comes to you know movies and whatnot. Um, they got rid of uh in Walmart, they reduced it. Target, they've reduced it. I believe there's no physical media sections at all. If there is one, it's probably like maybe like a bookshelf, and that's about it. Um physical media for the movie side has been struggling a lot. Uh, but one thing that had you know at least given me hope is that you know, at least it will either A make a comeback as like you know, record players have done, you know, in the you know, recent times, record players have been kind of making a comeback, even though you do have streaming services and you can easily download the music, a lot of people have found it fun to get the little vinyls and actually keep the the physical um you know physical media part of that. But now with chatter of GTA 6 coming around, and like I said, we're not a really a video game thing, but this has to do with physical media for movies, I promise. But with GTA 6 rolling around and announcing that it's gonna be launching around November 19th this year, uh one thing that came with it was that GTA 6 was not going to be releasing any uh physical discs with the any pre-orders or games for the next few months, at least until 2027. Um obviously it's one of those things where they're trying to make sure nobody hacks it or steals the stuff or whatever, blah blah blah. It's just more better to just use a code. Um and that sparked a lot of conversation. It was like, well, why even pre-order a game that you're not gonna one, physically own? You're basically buying a box with a with a code inside of it, no physical thing. Right. Um, and two, you know, physical media has always been kind of a thing where like when you have it, you have it, right? Um, we've heard about a bunch of different mishaps, whether it's movies, video game side. Um, I know I've had a couple of video games where I've downloaded digitally and I can't even play those motherfuckers anymore for some reason. Um, it's just licensing and uh ends or whatever. Um, so I've always been proud of having physical media within my home. I always buy my games, physical media if I can. Um I video games, movies, all that good stuff. But it seems as though Sony is kind of bringing that era to an end. Um, video games, at least on Sony's side, PlayStation, um, they are going to stop making physical media uh discs by January 2028. So you basically have an extra year um all through 2027, but by 2028, you will no longer be able to get physical anything when it comes down to PlayStation. Um, you are only able to download stream, and that's basically it when it comes down to your consoles. Um, and that sparks a lot of debate for a lot of people, you know. There's still a lot of people that like physical media, like me. Um, there's some people, possibly like you, Josh, who you know enjoy streaming and whatnot, but you know, might want one day want to become a collector and get some physical media of your own. I know you do vinyls right now, so that's one thing that you um that you absolutely do. But uh, what do you think about right now, Sony basically saying we're done with physical media discs when it comes to video games by 2028? And then we'll talk about the the ladder that's gonna basically climb us up.

SPEAKER_08 4:55

I mean, that's fucked up. I I think the going in this direction, you know, where licensing can you know take away the stuff. I remember the outrage when Sony removed like over 600 movies or whatever from people's libraries, and uh like no nothing, no talk of a refund, nothing. Like, what are you talking about? That's insane. That's egregious, that's ugly. I think that's disgusting. Oh, I also think looking at this picture, pushing a PlayStation with a disc, knowing that you were going in that direction in the first place. You're an asshole. You're a fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_11 5:30

And even selling the PS5 Pros without, let's say, the disc one, and you can buy an attachment where you can basically make it a disc PS5 Pro. I was I literally bought the the one without the disc one because I was like, well, I have my old one that has the disc one, so eventually I was just gonna buy the the extent the extension so I could do my own thing. I'm like, well, there's no point. But 2028 is gonna be obsolete. There's no point. I just keep my old one and they're just don't give them any more of my money at this point. Does it make any sense? Or at least if I if anybody who bought that, I think they deserve a little bit of a refund.

SPEAKER_08 6:03

Right. Like like was it because it was like a $50 difference? Yeah, it's like give them back the $50 more.

SPEAKER_11 6:10

Yeah, that's extra money that I gotta put and on top of that, install it myself, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 6:16

Right, no, I think stoning kind of evil for this one, and yeah, I don't know. I I think that's that's kind of where it ends for me. Um it's it's fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_11 6:28

It's fucking terrible, but see how it ends for you because you're just like, well, I got my streaming. And I'm just like, no, that's not the thinking that we should be having here. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 6:38

Well, no, I mean you preserve art.

SPEAKER_11 6:48

Um, and just to give the example again, the video game that I did lose was Star Wars Battlefront 1 back in like I think it was like after COVID 2020. Uh, I wanted to go see it because you know the whole VR DLC was out and blah blah blah. I wanted to try it. Cannot play it. They said something about licensing, whatever, I cannot do it or whatever. I just bought the disc. And now I have it forever. I don't I don't need to go online, download it no more, boom, boom, boom. I just bought the disc, now I have it forever. All I gotta do is just download the DLC. I don't have the DLC forever because that's a streaming exclusive or whatever. But at least the physical game, you can never take it from me again. Even if you disconnect the game, I can play the main game, and that's fine. You know what I'm saying? Um, I know Red Dead Redemption, uh online. A lot of people are saying, like, oh, one day they're gonna take that off. But at least you're still if you know if you have physical media, at least you'll still have that game. I don't even think you can find GTA four anywhere. I think you can like buy it. Yeah, I think Xbox has it on their subscription, but I don't think PlayStation. PlayStation has all of them except for GTA four. So I mean for me, it's just you seem more limited and at the mercy of the industry when it comes down to not owning your own things when it comes down to physical media. And apparently one of you know, one of the people that we've kind of talked about on this podcast and we've and I wouldn't say you, but at least for me, I kind of looked up to and was like, hey, you know, this is kind of like the person that kind of inspired me to want to get into like the whole podcasting game. And that was John Caviar, totally shitting on everything that I believe that is like everything for me, right? So he went on this rant to basically, and I only got this clip, I don't have the full thing, so we're just gonna have to go based off the clip. But he basically is mocking the argument that physical media is superior just because you get to keep it for yourself. If that makes sense. So I'm gonna let you hear it and then we'll go ahead and we'll discuss what John Campbell has to say about physical media possibly going away.

SPEAKER_22 8:59

The discourse I've seen online now revolving around this PlayStation thing, even in the tech radar, it says this is a warning that you should be buying 4K Blu-rays because nothing ever goes wrong if you buy a physical disc. But you nailed it.

SPEAKER_11 9:25

That was basically the end of the clip.

SPEAKER_08 9:27

What the fuck? Nothing ever goes wrong. What is what are you I don't understand? I don't understand.

SPEAKER_11 9:34

He's making fun of the people that are basically like me, who are saying if you get physical like a physical disc, it's yours. Nothing goes wrong. They can't take it from you. They can no they cannot come into your home and physically take your game or a movie. If you get in on a streaming service, like you said, even Sony with their uh core or I believe Amazon as well, once that licensing is up for them to be able to give that movie out on their service, they take it away. Now, granted, I mean how often are you gonna I know like some people their arguments like well how often do you watch that one movie on your shelf or whatever, blah blah blah. Yes, okay, you don't go through every single movie in your Netflix library either, but at least when I wanna watch it, one day I'm not gonna be scrolling through my collection of DVDs and it's just gonna be like, oh, license agreement gone, you don't have this one no more. It's like what I five years later and I just can't watch it? No, it's still gonna be on my shelf.

SPEAKER_08 10:39

Right. So I exactly like what the fuck are they talking about?

SPEAKER_11 10:43

Yeah, hearing this take from Campio was kinda that shit kind of rubbed me the wrong way. One, because it is my argument in the first place, is like physical media can do you no wrong. Like you if you do physical media, that's just basically you taking what's yours and walking out of the store because it's you know, you paid for it, right? And if you don't do that and you have it on streaming and or you know at the mercy of a server from Sony or whatever, at that point you it they could take it away from you at any moment. They could take it, they could swipe it. You know what I mean? Some are some may argue that if Sony wanted to, if there was just some one evil employee out there that just hated the Film Bros podcast and they tracked down our IP from there and they just wanted to wipe our whole PlayStation, they could easily do it today.

SPEAKER_08 11:31

Exactly. So they're evil, all these corporate motherfuckers are evil.

SPEAKER_11 11:36

John can't be a shit or helping them out and trying to argue for the opposite side is is something I didn't expect today.

SPEAKER_08 11:44

Or at least not on my bingo garden.

SPEAKER_11 11:47

No, no, like I said, he was one of those people that I kind of was like, okay, you know, his takes I don't always agree with him, but he was always somebody that I can always be like, okay, you know, he's he's going, you know, the right way. And uh these past couple years I I kind of find myself cringing at a few of his takes, and we've kind of reacted at a few of them as well. And now this one is kind of for me the icing on the cake when it comes out to the camera because I I just can't believe that he would you know being a movie guy, anybody who's a movie anything who loves entertainment, in my opinion, if you don't I you don't even have to own the Blu-rays, but if you don't advocate for physical media for you to own your own stuff, it's kinda like, okay, then why are you advocating for, you know, why are you trying to talk about what Supergirl does behind the scenes or what's happening with the Batman or whatever, blah blah. Behind the scenes obviously does not matter to you people when it comes down to the industry because it only matters when it's kind of pushing up against the wrong things that you don't like. If you gotta stand on those toes, you gotta stand on all ten of them. The industry is not correct when it comes down to this. Physical media is not correct when it uh or streaming media is not correct when it comes to this. Physical media is king, it's always been that thing, obviously, since the very beginning. You went from VHS to DVDs to Blu-rays to now 4K. Obviously, streaming has diverged that in a way, but they're trying to make it seem like you have more options on this side. You don't. You only you don't the only options you don't have on your side is the ones that you choose not to buy, and that's basically it.

SPEAKER_08 13:22

Right. Exactly. Do I want to own this terrible movie? Yeah, no, oh, but there's a movie I there's a movie I know I like on the other side. Like, why would I not want that?

SPEAKER_11 13:33

Yeah, like I even bought a few terrible movies just because I was like, you know what, I don't even want to watch it on streaming, I'm gonna buy it physical media because that's that's just how much I like it. Is I go through as I walk through Walmart, Target, wherever there's physical media still out there, I walk through it as though I'm walking through a Netflix library and I'm just like, you know what, I'm actually gonna take this one home, and I never gotta bring it back because I bought it. So I'm like, and even if I even if I never watch it, I still take it and I'm just like, okay, I watched it. I got crawl. Have you ever seen Crawl? Don't watch Crawl. No, it's not a good movie, but I have it, it's on physical media, nobody's ever gonna take it from me unless I take it for myself or like give it to somebody. But I would never do that to anybody. So you know, there's that.

SPEAKER_07 14:20

Just give crawl away to people. Yeah, it's like, oh, here's a bad movie.

SPEAKER_11 14:25

They're gonna look at me and be like, oh, you just fucking hate me, don't you? Like somebody broke into my car and left the movie crawling there. Uh you're welcome, you know. Um, but let us know what you guys think. Physical media seems to be uh actually actually disappearing at this point. Um video games are getting to that point. I don't know if Xbox is gonna follow suit with the backlash that happened. I know Domino's is like uh marketing or whoever is in charge of their like Twitter or TikTok or whatever is just like going in on PlayStation. They were just like, that's like us yeah, that's like the customer ordering a pizza and we send you a digital pizza or something like that. Oh yeah, I saw that. Like, wow, wow, Domino's is just they're on my side too. You know, I never would have thought a pizza company would be on my side, but you know, here we are. Here we are. Um, but let us know what you guys think and let us know what you think about John Cabby kind of going that wishy washy route of like, you know, my thing is you don't have to do that extra like making fun and yeah, make fun of people. What's wrong with you? I don't know. He seems like he's a streaming person at this point too. It doesn't seem like he wants to collect physical media. Uh his friend over here on the left side looks like he collects physical media though. I don't know why he didn't jump in and say anything. Maybe I gotta catch a full clip or something, but even him, uh those look like comic books. But this one looks like movies back here more. So he seems more like a physical media kind of guy when it comes to movies. I don't know why we didn't get any I think his name is Robert Burnett Burnett or something like that. So like I don't know why we didn't get nothing out of him, but it is what it is. Let us know what you guys think. Moving on, Josh, we got some Marvel news before we get into those DC news and uh you know trailers and everything towards the end. Marvel comes up first because we are getting season three. Uh crumbs, crumbs for Daredevil Born Again season three. Uh, a lot of people are excited because these set leaks that we've been seeing, not only did we get bullseye, we got a little bit of you know what we were gonna see Matt in uh when it comes down to season three. And then seeing Elodi Young returning as Electra after uh basically never being seen again from Netflix after the the whole the whole returning back to Marvel. Are we gonna get them back? Is it gonna be a continuation of Netflix? Marvel said, you know what? Yes, yes, we are. We are gonna completely do that. We are still going down that road. So we got some good photos and pictures of what's gonna be a Lodi Young playing Electra and also Daredevil's new suit. So this one's a uh just turn off the audio. Uh there's not really much happening besides a bunch of static, but a lot of people are saying that this is obviously Daredevil, you can tell by the pants right here. Um probably the stunt double. Alright, practicing with Electra, it seems like. Uh then we get a picture of Electra and Daredevil uh getting that black mixed with red, not just a black, all black suit with red DD on his chest, but we're getting what seems to be a color-coordinated look with Electra.

SPEAKER_08 17:51

That's pretty good. I like the way that looks.

SPEAKER_11 17:53

They just kind of called each other up. They were just like, you know, we gotta get that his and hers going again.

SPEAKER_08 17:59

Right. And as soon as they were fucking like, oh dude, we gotta him and Karen are together, we gotta throw her in the mix.

SPEAKER_11 18:08

Yeah. Just he needs relationship problems. That's basically what the blind man needs right now. Um, this is another angle of the same one that we seen earlier. This one was the first uh clip that we kind of got before she got on set. She's just basically in the hooded robe, but I'll let you check it out. Doing a little practice before set, right? A little practice trying to trying to hide it, but not really at the same time. Got more photos from her on top of by a railing, a little ledge right here. Um that's another one of that. Same set photos. And then we got some Wilson Fisk as well. Not too bad. It's gonna be interesting to see what happens with Daredevil season three. More Electra, and that's basically it. Um and my time to shine hello basically is saying that she's gonna be fighting bullseye. So we're gonna see that Electra Bullseye confrontation possibly.

SPEAKER_08 19:22

She I hope they don't bring her back just to kill her off. That'd be unfortunate, wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_11 19:28

If it's for comic accuracy.

SPEAKER_07 19:33

Yeah, but I mean we need war to what season. Ain't nobody of that. You know what I mean? Ain't nobody complaining about that when Gwen Stacy snapped her neck.

SPEAKER_08 19:43

That's crazy. We should have gotten another movie before that too. I don't understand. I don't know. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_11 19:48

Straight to the neck snapping, my bad. Well, we did. We got amazing Spider-Man one, I feel.

SPEAKER_08 19:53

Right, right, right. But we needed a second and then we needed a third. Oh, not in that order, but yeah.

SPEAKER_11 19:59

This guy. Uh we need like two or three movies to set up one movie. This is this guy, he says. We're basically getting what I it's basically defender season two, isn't it not? Like we're getting the whole defenders group back for this season three of Daredevil. We're getting Elode Young, um, Electra. So we're getting I mean, we're getting the whole crew back together. Me personally, I do believe this is Defenders 2 season two. Netflix Defender season two, dubbed as Daredevil Born Again season three. Ain't that confusing.

SPEAKER_08 20:56

Right. Very confusing. But I'm still excited. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_11 21:01

Yeah, me too. Uh especially seeing what like Bullseye is gonna look like. It it really seems like Marvel is just all in on this show. They they are seeing what the fans said about season one, what the fans said about season two, and they're just really trying to go all in on season three just to bring that fan base, maybe that fan base that is kind of on the rocks are on the fence on whether or not they like this show to really just bring them back. I really feel like that's what they're trying to go for with season three.

SPEAKER_08 21:33

You might be cooking. You might be cooking, I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 21:36

Bring me back because let me just tell you the first two seasons Ay Dios mío. Aye, caramba.

SPEAKER_08 21:45

You're you're such a hater. It's okay.

SPEAKER_11 21:48

Holy Toledo. You're just hating, you're just a hater, bro. I'm just saying that like season two got better, but that's what I'm saying. The it seems like the seasons are getting better. If we're getting a Defender Season 2, I was always down with Defender Season 1. So maybe we'll get the Gourney Weaver back.

SPEAKER_10 22:08

All right. Alright. All right. All right.

SPEAKER_11 22:11

Oh, that's where we pack it up. That's where we back it up. I call it Defender Season 2. We don't pack it up there. We pack it up as a Gordy. Okay. That's fine. How rude.

SPEAKER_15 22:20

How rude of you.

SPEAKER_11 22:21

But let us know what you guys think. Check out the suits. Daredevil, Electra. They're matching. They're twinsies. And they're they're probably going to kick ass. Are we going to get Frank Castle in season three, though? That's one that we have yet to do.

SPEAKER_08 22:34

Probably not. Probably not. Probably not.

SPEAKER_11 22:37

No? But we're getting the whole band together. We gotta get the Punisher in there.

SPEAKER_08 22:41

I know. It seems like every time they want to do defenders and shit, he's off doing fucking shit elsewhere. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_11 22:48

What what you think he's gonna be like Wesley Snipes where he's just like, I don't want to share the limelight with everybody?

SPEAKER_08 22:52

Like I sure fucking hope not.

SPEAKER_11 22:55

Like I'm the main guy. Shouldn't it be some guy with a glowing fist? It should be me with a gun.

SPEAKER_07 23:04

What do you bring to the table? Guns. Alright. Like that, dude.

SPEAKER_11 23:09

The ability to tell you something. The ability to let you know. I'm gonna tell the bad guy something. Bang, bang, bang.

SPEAKER_08 23:16

Or they're gonna tell me what a what a bullet feels like. I don't know. Something like that.

SPEAKER_11 23:19

Yeah, something like that. Let us know what you guys think. Josh, moving on. We got Black Panther 3 details. Uh apparently we are gonna be getting some weird stuff with Black Panther 3. Uh apparently some strong things are gonna be uh put into this film. It's not just gonna be uh a Black Panther film, it sounds like so. It's rumored that Nakia will oppose T'Challa becoming the Black Panther and inheriting the Wakanda throne. Ryan Kugler is said to be exploring themes of family, legacy, and responsibility in the new sequel. Black Panther 3 is will reportedly feature stronger supernatural elements, including deeper connections to the ancestral plane. Mutants are also expected to play a role in the film, with the story reportedly expanding beyond Namor's involvement. Um The Insider says The In Snyder says Marvel could announce several major uh major projects during San Diego Comic Con 2026. Among the films reportedly expected are Doctor Strange 3, Black Panther 3, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 5, The X-Men Reboot, Thunderbolts 2, Blade, Midnight Suns, and the next Avengers installment. Um that's basically it. We talked about what uh Kugler said on Happy Sad Confused, uh, basically saying that he wants Denzel Washington, and Denzel Washington will be playing a specific role in Black Panther 3. He will play a villain. We don't know what the villain or who the villain he might be playing, but we do know that he is very much in mind for Kugler to be or for Denzel Washington to be a villain for Kugler's next uh Panther film. But let's just break this down little by little, I guess. What do we think about mutants playing an a huge role in this film?

SPEAKER_08 25:15

I feel like that could be good. I think I think after Namor, there's probably a good chunk of mutants out there that might want a piece of whatever you know they have whatever they set up for that post-Namor. So that could be cool. Is it something I would expect from Black Panther? Like as a villain, probably not, but I mean if he can make it work, why not? You know, he made Namor work.

SPEAKER_11 25:44

Danzel, that's what you have a problem with. That man is a mutant.

SPEAKER_08 25:50

That's great. I don't even I don't even know if you know I don't even I don't even know what you mean by that.

SPEAKER_11 25:56

He's a he's a di he's a different breed when it comes to acting.

unknown 25:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 26:00

I mean, I'm right. And I'm not saying that like that's bad. I don't even think he could be a mutant. I don't like that's the thing. I'm trying to figure out what he could be. Oh, I think Ryan Kugler and Denzel working together is gonna produce something of a higher caliber. So but what I'm saying is I don't know if he's gonna be like Black Panther related or if he's gonna be a mutant.

SPEAKER_11 26:29

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Because we already got kind of like that mutant villain with Namor, right?

SPEAKER_08 26:34

In the last movie. So I'm thinking the mutant, like the mutant stuff, like what if okay, what if the idea is okay, but um, he's gonna be some kind of spiritual guide or something like that, or he's gonna want to be the Black Panther. I mean, it doesn't really matter how old you are, because the herb or whatever, right? And so you maybe he challenges what's her face, Sherry, she loses, he takes it, he fucks up. We get the son battling, you know, responsibility versus being like, Well, I don't want to do it, whatever. Eventually he takes it, and then we get like another, hopefully a better Black Panther versus Black Panther fight. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 27:21

Okay, okay. Um that sounds like fun too. Um, hopefully we get better CGI in this one than the first two, because holy damn, it doesn't seem like we're getting any better. Um supernatural elements. I kind of feel like we were getting those already. Uh the little little bit here and there in Black Panther one. Obviously, I feel like we got a lot more in Black Panther 2. But not I mean, are we gonna be on the supernatural plane a lot more? Like we're actually gonna be, you know, like is that where we're gonna be most of the time now?

SPEAKER_08 27:59

Um Right, like the ancestors are basically gonna be telling the boy, like, you gotta pick it up, man. That's what your dad would want. You know what I mean? Like something like that. I don't know. I that's the thing. I don't know what they could do.

SPEAKER_11 28:10

Uh what is it? Um kind of like a force ghost moment at the end of the movie where you know Chadwick Bozeman is just kind of standing there.

SPEAKER_08 28:19

He just nods, doesn't say anything like in what if he just nods.

SPEAKER_11 28:23

You just see a bunch of ewoks playing on a bunch of helmets, drumming helmets. Okay. Well, I mean you wouldn't get there, but yeah. No, no, no. Sorry, sorry. Not trying to rip them off completely. We'll we'll do it in a tasteful way. Kugler, I know Kugler can do it in the right way.

SPEAKER_08 28:35

Right. I don't know. I don't know what they can do. But it the the they have the makings and mixing for greatness, so I can't fault that.

unknown 28:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 28:44

What kind of X-Men or not X-Men, mutants can we see within Black Panther 3? Do we do we think somewhere similar? Storm, clearly, right?

SPEAKER_08 28:54

Storm has to be maybe something like that, maybe. Um I don't even know.

SPEAKER_11 29:03

I don't see a Gene Grey like a Sadie Sink being around there, right? Like that wouldn't make too much sense. Um I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 29:13

I don't know. I'm trying to blink.

SPEAKER_11 29:17

I can't think of no mutants that we can put with Black Panther. No. Let's just say you know, at one point they throw hands. Wolverine? Wolverine with Black Panther.

SPEAKER_08 29:29

A little bit.

SPEAKER_11 29:41

Somebody like uh oh with telekinesis! Like uh what's the name? Like a professor X?

SPEAKER_08 29:53

There's this dude called Gento Nezo Abademi, and he was a Wakanda X-Men student.

SPEAKER_11 30:03

See, that's something that I would what like think too. Like they're gonna try to go a little bit more towards kind of like what they did with Namor, where they can kind of adopt it to be a little bit of an extension of what Wakanda kind of uh um birthed, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 30:21

Right. Uh Vibraxis and Kano, another Wakanda mutant. He joined the Wakanda funded hero team, Fantastic Force, and has a mutant ability to control and manipulate vibrations.

SPEAKER_11 30:33

So, but uh I mean those sound like look like no, like we don't know who they are. I'm pretty sure they're gonna have a bunch of no names within within a Black Panther sequel.

SPEAKER_08 30:45

You know, they they did claw. Not a lot of people know claw.

SPEAKER_11 30:48

I mean Yeah, but that's like you could sneak a small thing in there. Same thing with Namor. You could sneak a small thing in there when the bigger thing is, you know, saying bye to childwick Bozeman.

unknown 30:59

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 31:00

That's why they could probably like sneak these people in and just, you know, like I don't know, force them to be mutants. I don't see why they wouldn't do something like that. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 31:13

Um, yeah, and I mean obviously the story is gonna be like expanding past Namor. We're obviously gonna see him within Black Panther 3 as well, maybe more as an ally. I think that's where we kind of left off by you know, by Black Panther 2, and then obviously whatever happens within Doomsday is gonna play a role. Uh Doomsday and Secret Wars is gonna play a role what happens with Black Panther 3. So who even knows if they're gonna even be enemies by that time? You know what I mean? They're probably gonna be they're probably all gonna be boys and hanging out, and you know, you're gonna have the ocean to help them and whatnot. So it's gonna be pretty cool. Uh and last but not least, let's talk about these announcements that might happen at San Diego Comic Con. Are you I mean, is there any ones that you're excited about? If you can have three announcements at San Diego Comic Con out of this list here, what which one of these three would you want to hear?

SPEAKER_08 32:04

Okay, okay, okay. Spider-Man 5.

SPEAKER_11 32:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 32:09

Um after brand new Thunderbolts, Thunderbolts 2.

SPEAKER_11 32:14

Okay, you're excited for a Thunderbolts sequel?

SPEAKER_07 32:22

Either Doctor Strange or X-Men.

SPEAKER_08 32:24

Fuck. I think Doctor Strange. I think where we left off with them, I I had real I was really hoping it would go somewhere.

SPEAKER_11 32:33

So yeah, I think we're gonna see all those things pay off within Doomsday and everything. So I think if we do get a Doctor Strange, it's probably gonna be something completely like kind of like what they did with Tony and Iron Man 3. They're just gonna have to like pick up the pieces of what was left from Doomsday and Secret Wars kind of thing. Um that sounds I mean that sounds like a s I wouldn't say Thunderbolts too. I don't know why you would be excited for a sequel for the new Avengers.

SPEAKER_08 33:02

Because I like that. I liked it, alright. Shit, I liked Fantastic Four, so I'd hope they get a sequel too.

SPEAKER_11 33:08

It's gross. Um shut up. I would say Spider-Man 5, the X-Men reboot, and like Midnight Suns, possibly a blade, because we you know we're hearing that it might we might not get a blade movie, but we might get a Midnight Suns movie with Blade within it, you know.

SPEAKER_07 33:27

Ah man, no.

SPEAKER_11 33:31

Yeah, so I mean I mean that there's those rumors about you know, obviously possibly not getting that whole Blade movie. But I don't see Marshall Ali wanting to share the screen with people. But then who says that he's gonna play Blade still?

SPEAKER_08 33:48

Yeah, I don't know if we're getting updates for those ones. Blade has been in such fucking limbo dude, it's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_11 33:53

And my son sounds cool, because I mean supposedly there, I mean I wanted to pull up the leak, but it doesn't seem like it's too real, seems more AI, so I don't wanna I don't I didn't want to pull it up, but apparently Ghost Rider might be in Doomsday.

SPEAKER_08 34:08

Oh, that'd be cool. That's fine. I mean, if they're gonna be going to other like realities and stuff, I mean, why wouldn't he?

SPEAKER_11 34:15

Why wouldn't we see like a ghostwriter or something? Might be Ryan Gosling too.

SPEAKER_08 34:20

Oh, yeah. Yeah, because that's something people want for some reason. I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 34:26

You want a Ryan Gosling ghostwriter? He seems too nice.

SPEAKER_08 34:29

No, man. Yeah, he doesn't have that like rugged look to him. I don't I can't describe it.

SPEAKER_11 34:35

Yeah, he seems too nice. So who would you want then? I kind of want to I kind of was hoping that I mean it probably wasn't gonna happen, but I was kind of hoping for like the dude that played it in the show, because I would see like clips of him.

SPEAKER_08 34:50

Oh, the Robbie Reyes? Yeah, Robbie. Okay. Yeah, if he would have come back, that'd be cool. Especially since that show's canon to the fucking universe, supposedly. Supposedly, supposedly, and I know people wanted Norman Reedus, and I know people wanted Keanu Reeves.

SPEAKER_11 35:13

Um Norman Reedis would have been cool, but too cowboy, right?

SPEAKER_08 35:19

Right. I mean, yeah, a little too cowboy. He would have had to be someone else, like another slade, basically.

SPEAKER_09 35:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 35:28

Um, if we're looking for like an older Johnny, I would f I maybe um the dude who's playing um Bruce's dad and like BVS, that guy.

SPEAKER_11 35:43

Oh Jeffrey Dean Morgan?

SPEAKER_08 35:45

No, I'm talking about. Yeah, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 35:49

Oh. That's not bad. Is it kind of concerning that nobody's excited, or at least me and yours not really excited for an Avengers movie?

SPEAKER_08 35:59

I mean, I I think when their threads have already gotten pretty long, I think we just want to see the conclusion of those threads, and I don't have a problem with that. The Avengers is supposed to be like the big thing, but like we know they're gonna pull through, bro. It's not a big deal. We want to see what these individuals look like when they're not surrounded by other people, what their individual stories look like, because at that point it feels like it's like closer to home, and like you get important important messaging, you know what I mean? That's why like that's why I like Doctor Strange 2 so much, and it's not so much like you get the obviously you get the Rami effect and then you get like you know, the the cheesiness of a Rami movie, but also the big message of that one is like him having to let go of like the girl or whatever, you know what I mean? Like that's pretty cool. That's not that makes sense, you know what I mean? Like I think that those individual stuff makes it easier to relate versus when they're going up against Doomsday, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 36:59

Well, well yeah, but that's gonna be that's supposed to be the big finale that is supposed to bring people in. And if you haven't really hooked people with the beginning stuff that you were talking about, by the time we get to Doomsday, if it doesn't knock you out the park, then Secret Wars is probably not gonna do too good, and then so on and so forth or whatever. Um I don't know if I don't know if you know if people are are ready for what might happen in Doomsday. You know, it could Paul Rudd made it in the in the other saga. So what if he doesn't make it in this one, right? I don't think America could take Paul Rudd not surviving.

SPEAKER_07 37:39

The death of Paul Rudd.

SPEAKER_11 37:40

Yeah, I don't think anybody can handle that, you know. That's why they didn't do it in his uh Ant Man movie. They were like, hey man, we I don't think anybody can handle that. They're like, no, we can't handle that.

SPEAKER_08 37:51

But they should have.

SPEAKER_11 37:52

They saw a clip, everybody was crying. Kevin Foggy was crying, everybody was crying. Amy Pascal was there, she why are you even here? It's not your movie. She's like, this is so sad. Paul Rudd died. It's crazy. Cut that.

SPEAKER_08 38:03

It should have been it should have been real. I think they should have died.

SPEAKER_11 38:07

But anyway, they should have died, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think, you know, I don't think we can handle a Paul Rudd death. I don't think that's possible. You think you can handle Paul Rudd dying? I don't think I can.

SPEAKER_08 38:20

If if it's like uh oh, he gave himself up in a heroic moment or whatever. Right, sure. Like the whole thing. I don't I don't know if Paul Rudd.

SPEAKER_11 38:29

Wait, sorry.

SPEAKER_08 38:30

No. I don't know if Paul Rudd can like act something that intense, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 38:38

Hell no.

SPEAKER_08 38:39

That's America's the comedy, he's the he's the comedic relief. He's the comedic relief, man. He's the comedic relief. I don't see it, alright? I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_11 38:53

He was in role models, man.

SPEAKER_08 38:55

Okay, okay, shit, man. He was also in Quantumania.

SPEAKER_11 39:01

Like still Paul Rudd. It's still Paul Rudd. That's like, you know, that's that's Rudd. That's the Ruddster, I guess you could say. Uh, but let us know what you guys think about the Black Panther 3 news. Uh got a got on a little bit of a tangent there, but obviously, uh there's gonna be those supernatural elements that we expect it within Black Panther. But what mutants do you guys think could play a good role within a Black Panther 3? Obviously, we're seeing the X-Men kind of being sprinkled in within Brand New Day now. Uh, we're hearing that the rumors are true. Sadie Sink might be Gene Gray. So we're getting we're getting the X-Men. We're the we're officially getting them. I don't know if I agree with the soul sprinkling them out and trying to make it seem like they've been around this whole time. Um, nonsense, but you know, we'll we'll uh we'll see how how well that plays when they give us the explanation. You know what I mean? Are we gonna be like, or is it gonna be like you know, little Yachty and just you know what I'm saying? Um let us know what you guys think. Moving on though, with the rumors of X-Men being sprinkled around everywhere. We have a rumor that potentially somebody that you may know, Josh, could be playing Professor X. And I'm hoping you might be excited. I don't know if you heard this name yet. I have you heard rumors? Have you heard the rumors? No, no, we're we're looking at possibly Patrick Wilson, uh the the the star of the conjuring films to possibly take over the reins for Professor Xavier, taking them from Patrick Stewart himself. We're just going from Patrick to Patrick. We just had it we had to do it. Um I'm gonna give you a visual of what you know who Patrick Wilson is, just in case you don't remember 100%. This is this is Patrick Wilson. He was in the Conrad Drink, he was in Insidious, uh he played Norm in Aquaman, so potential profess just imagine him bald. Imagine him bald. Let me see if I can uh see somebody AI'd it What do you think? What do you think? Give me give me thoughts.

SPEAKER_08 41:22

I don't know how to feel. I don't know how to feel. Um Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. This one's kind of strange that we're getting to it. This one's kind of strange.

SPEAKER_11 41:38

It's a little strange for you, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 41:41

It's a weird pick.

SPEAKER_11 41:43

Not what you were expecting, huh?

SPEAKER_08 41:46

No, I was not expecting that. No. I was expecting I would really hope we get Giancarlo Esposito. I ain't even gonna lie. Giancarlo Esposito's like Charles versus fucking I mean shit. Could we could we get it um Denzel Washington as a goddamn Magneto? I don't know, but I would like to see that.

SPEAKER_11 42:15

Not uh not a Patrick Wilson Professor Xavier.

SPEAKER_08 42:22

No, I don't know. I don't think I can see it. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_11 42:25

The Esposito one then.

SPEAKER_08 42:27

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_11 42:31

I I'm trying to look for a an AI bald one. I would have assumed we would have had one by now, but no, nothing. I don't know. I don't I I don't fully disagree with the Professor Xavier casting if this is the route that they choose to go with Patrick Wilson, but I kind of feel all right, now hear me out. Where they could have had different variations of you know, a Professor Xavier that could have possibly fit in with like a Patrick Wilson casting. Ever since Patrick Stewart was casted back in like the early 2000s to be Professor Xavier, all the comic books, everybody basically try to copy him and look like him. So basically, you know, Patrick Stewart is Professor Xavier. You know what I'm saying? Like there's no at this point, uh anything that's been made past his role has been basically made to look like him. You know? So it's for me, it's kinda hard to see other people in that role, maybe for that reason, because just all my life it's always been him everywhere from comics to you know to uh movies and whatnot. I really don't see any different variations of like a patch or uh uh an Xavier in the comics. Oh look they did this one. Shoot, where did it go?

SPEAKER_10 43:57

I just seen it. This is the closer you're gonna get it.

SPEAKER_08 44:03

It's weird. I hate it.

SPEAKER_11 44:07

No I guess this is as close as we're getting to the AI version of what we could see with him bald headed.

SPEAKER_08 44:24

I think I fell in love with Stuart and then I fell in love with McAvoy. I think we need someone within those lines. I don't think Patrick got it like that, so I don't I think he can.

SPEAKER_11 44:43

I'm telling you, I think he can. I just think it's more of a uh uh possibly a just a public perception kind of thing. Like it just seems like everybody just knows Patrick Stewart. And so they're like to see somebody else. Like I think a good palate cleanser would to go to that opposite side and get like a Gin Carlo Esposito to to basically uh play this role, and that'll be kind of like that that culture shock that will give a lot of people like, oh, you know, this is kind of like a hard reset, and then eventually if we reboot it again, we'll be able to find somebody in the middle if that you know, if and when that happens or whatever, right? But just to go from Patrick to just go to Patrick Wilson, even the names are the same. It's kind of like, are you guys just trying to play it safe? Are we just what are we doing here? Like, I don't understand 100%. So I don't know. This one's kind of like a toss-up for me. It could be 50-50. Right.

SPEAKER_08 45:45

I think I'm more just don't do it at all, but yeah.

SPEAKER_11 45:49

Just don't do it at all. Uh well, we gotta recast. We can't just have Patrick Stewart.

SPEAKER_08 45:56

Okay, fine. No Giancarlo Spacito. No, no uh Patrick Wilson. Who could we do as a as another Charles Xavier?

SPEAKER_11 46:10

Xavier?

SPEAKER_08 46:25

I mean, is it can we can we just reuse people? Is it wrong to want to reuse people?

SPEAKER_11 46:30

No, I don't think so. I mean, obviously you can't uh you can't reuse a Marvel person because you can't obviously they're in Marvel already.

SPEAKER_08 46:36

Right. But if I wanted to do like Nicholas Holt as like that Charles Xavier, is that wrong?

SPEAKER_11 46:43

I think some people would just be like, oh, because he's bald as Lex Luthor. You're like, you know, lack of creativity.

SPEAKER_08 46:53

I mean, I don't even okay. Well, to those people, I say I'm original, eat shit. I wasn't even thinking of him as Lex, so I I don't connect those two. I fucking hate his Lexus. That's like saying Brian Cranston can play him because he's you know Lex Luther. Or I mean he's Heisenberg, whatever.

SPEAKER_11 47:16

That's fine. That's what some people were saying. That's what that's exactly what some people were saying. Um what about um Jake Soley? The guy who plays Jake Soley.

SPEAKER_08 47:27

Oh yeah, he's up in that age now, huh?

SPEAKER_11 47:29

Yeah, like wouldn't he? I mean what's his name again? I forgot.

SPEAKER_08 47:35

Um I have I can't remember.

SPEAKER_11 47:41

Sam Worthington.

SPEAKER_08 47:42

Sam Worthington, good shit.

SPEAKER_11 47:44

Would he be a bad uh would he be a bad pick?

SPEAKER_08 47:51

I I think af I mean okay, he's not he doesn't look like that no more. He looks he looks a little older. In his recent movie, he looks so much older now. Which it's gonna be hard to see him in uh it's on Netflix. I can't remember what it's called.

SPEAKER_11 48:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 48:05

But um yeah. Yeah, he looks a lot like no, we he has a little bit more like gray hair for him.

SPEAKER_11 48:13

See, this was Terminator Salvation, this was meta, he has more gray hair. Well, he's gonna be bald, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_08 48:20

At that point, I could have seen him at like as Wolverine, you know what I mean?

unknown 48:24

Wolverine? I don't know about a Wolverine.

SPEAKER_08 48:27

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Ralph Phineas as Charles Xavier.

SPEAKER_11 48:33

Voldemort as Charles Xavier? I don't know. That would be interesting. I I don't know that that doesn't scream 100% confidence.

SPEAKER_08 48:47

No Mark Strong?

SPEAKER_11 48:50

He might be able to do it.

SPEAKER_08 48:52

He's bald. He already fits the criteria.

unknown 48:55

Oh, take me home.

SPEAKER_08 48:57

Jude Law. Jude Law's a good one. I think I got it. I think I found it. I think I I think I'm okay with uh I think I'm okay with like a Jude Law. Jude Law. Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 49:15

I can see that happening too if we're gonna go down that list too. Cause I g to be honest, like I said, it just seems like a hard pick to want to choose, but Jude Law sounds like a pretty good pick.

SPEAKER_08 49:26

Pierce Brosnan. I think that could be good. He is not Dr. Fate, alright? He was there for one movie and he's not coming back. I'm cool with Jude Law. I think I think Jude Law. I think Jude Law got that.

unknown 49:47

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_08 49:48

Well James Gunn isn't coming back himself. I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_11 49:54

I think we're ready to move on. I think we're ready to move on. But let us know what you guys think. I I do think that, you know, Patrick Stewart kind of cemented himself as the you know definitive Professor Xavier. And the fact that we haven't had any like different iteration, whether whether it's in like a TV show or you know, you know what they did with um what's the movie? Or not the movie, the TV show like the Batman with the kid or whatever, where they were like putting in Batman villains, but they weren't necessarily named the Batman villains and all that stuff. Like they you never got a hint of another Professor Xavier, you never got nothing like that. So it's like it's gonna be very weird to move the masses from one person that's basically came this role and try to make them into something else. It's gonna be kind of tough. It's gonna be an uphill battle, but we'll I'm down to see it, and whoever takes up that role, you know, good luck to them, and hopefully it comes out really really amazing. Uh but let us know what you guys think. Moving on. Josh, we're gonna be talking about Supergirl. We're gonna talk about the the rumors behind the scenes, the BTS stuff. But first, I want you to hear this man attack us right here, okay? Not the guy on the left, but the guy on the right. The guy on the right is named Koi. Uh he went on the Reals Rejects podcast and basically off-rip uh, you know, caused a stir-up. Cause a stirrup for a lot of uh people that went to go watch Supergirl. Um and, you know, basically, basically went on to say that he was dreading to get online. Um now Koi over here by the way to give you a little bit of a background for him. He is the DC Studios podcast. Conversator, I don't know, host, whatever. Um, him and the the other girl that's there, they both basically go on the podcast when the Peacemaker seasons was coming out, they went on there, they talked to James Gunn and all that stuff. They're basically the people that a lot of people are saying, especially when it comes down to Coi over here with some of the comments. A lot of people are saying he is kind of riding on this DC universe to kind of thrive, otherwise he's not out of the podcasting game because he is on the DC Studios podcast for James Gunn. Um, so let's go ahead and hear his take on what Supergirl was for him and what the internet looked like for him in the coming days after Supergirl was released.

SPEAKER_13 52:30

You can be spoiler as much as you want. Do you want to give like a brief rundown of what you thought about this movie?

SPEAKER_02 52:34

Yeah, I I thought it was uh I thought it was the four quadrant blockbuster take on an epic, and that is some of its pros and cons. Um I thought Millie Alcock was incredible to Supergirl, and that's been what I've been talking about a lot because I think that affects the DCU more than just the one film you cast for a universe at this point in this type of franchise, right? You're not casting for a movie anymore with things like this. You're casting for 10 years, you're casting for movies. So I've been really looking at like what that means for the universe. A Millie Alcock with such a strength, that to me was uh a really positive anchor. But the movie itself is based off one of my favorite modern comics of all time. Uh, like the bar is so high on what Woman of Tomorrow is, that I don't think a movie in 90 plus minutes could reach that. And that was definitely something that I was aware of a few minutes in. And this is the first review I've ever given where I said, like, hey, I think read the comic after. Like in the history of me doing this, I've never said, wait. And I think that's because it's gonna feel more like an extended cut if you read the comic after versus where is that scene every few minutes if you watch the movie after reading the comic. So I do think the comic is uh a better experience, but I think the movie has merit that really can't be enjoyed in this climate. And and that's been my struggle is I didn't think this was the greatest thing ever. I didn't think it was the worst thing ever, but it's a comic book movie, so one must. You can't think a movie is okay in 2026. You can only TikTok and like have hyperbole. So even my like my reviews, both of them are positive and negative. Both of my reviews lean, Millie Alcock's great. I'm really excited for girls to have a hero that actually has depth and nuance as a woman. I'm way more concerned with the women of tomorrow than the madapting woman of tomorrow. And so my focus is I've got the comic. If I want the comic, I want little girls to have a hero, and then the stupidest people are all like, female heroes. It was the fucking 21st Marvel movie till we got a female-led superhero film. 21 fucking movies in. I'm proud of DC for doing it their second movie, but of course it's gonna have this kind of response. So I was speaking to those people. I'm also speaking to people that are gonna see a girl that actually has something to say and actually has an experience and actually has trauma and actually has an an eye line of connectivity while still being super. I'm sorry I never related to a goddess from Paradise Island. I think she's awesome. I love that character. I think even that's a better movie, but I don't relate to Wonder Woman. I don't think if I have a daughter, she will at first. She'll be like cool a hero, like she'll she'll play Wonder Woman, but I think Supergirl's more relatable. And I really just like I barely touched the internet this week, but it's so loud that I'm just pre-exhausted for women and girls getting movies that are okay when I want better for them. And so I feel automatically defensive of like I want to have all of these things to praise, and so those are coming out louder, even though the movie I thought was okay.

SPEAKER_13 55:56

Yeah. See, that's so interesting to me when when you first of all it's perforative.

SPEAKER_11 56:04

That's fucking performative. I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you say what you want to say, but I just gotta say real quick, man. Look, if you're going into the girl superhero movies and you like, can I relate to her? I think you're doing it wrong, sir. I don't know if you don't know if you're doing it right. Um, I I don't know if he's the guy. I don't even think a guy should be telling us what a woman should be feeling within these movies or nothing like that. Um he should be kind of coming out with his own experiences instead of trying to I don't know. And on top of that, he's looking at the other side of the aisle with Marvel, talking about it took what 21 movies before they got a uh woman-led superhero film. Why don't you look in your own fucking parking lot, you stupid bitch? DC literally released Wonder Woman as his third film. And then on top of that, it was introduced in the second film of the DC universe. Or third film, right? With BBS. And she was still like a rave smash hit. Stupid bitch. That's so stupid. That's the dumbest shit. Like, you look at Marvel, but you don't look at your own parking lot where literally DC did Wonder Woman within like the first few films. So I don't know. But Josh, I want to hear your take. You obviously heard it. If you need me to kind of clip this up a little bit and re-hear it again so you can go point by point, we could do it that way too. But that's so if you got it, let me know.

SPEAKER_08 57:29

Look, no, I got it. I heard it. I I think that's performative. I think this is performing performing the fuck out of these mental gymnastics to try and justify a way to not sound like a show, but also be like, I'm fair. You know what I mean? Like, no, bro. You but we know, we know you have PR, you know you have to say certain things and tiptoe around stuff and make it look like you're doing the work, wink wink, but like, come on, bro, come on. It's okay to be fair, it's okay to call the movie average. I'm not saying that it that's wrong, I'm saying it's disingenuous to be like, oh, but I want better for the girls, and I I I can't relate to Wonder Woman, and I like why would you want to like what are you looking for?

SPEAKER_11 58:12

Grown ass, almost what it looks like to me, 25-year-old man, almost 30, probably.

SPEAKER_08 58:18

How do you relate to Supergirl?

SPEAKER_11 58:21

I don't know how I don't know how a almost 30-year-old man can relate to Supergirl. I even if I wanted to try in the first place, that's my thing.

SPEAKER_08 58:31

Look when I went to that movie, there were like girls there, and they can be impressionative to this kind of movie. If I wanted to say it like this guy, I think it does the opposite. Because again, the movie pedals an idea, and then at the end of the at the end of it, it does away with that idea so fast, and then and then it at the end it's like, oh no, it's okay. You know what I mean? It's okay as long as you do it for good. And then a lot of you think a lot of girls are gonna come out with the impression of, oh, it's okay if I do that as long as I meant good intent. No, you're wrong. That's so wrong. That's such a dead thing to want to like push onto people. That's wrong. I think this guy's being mad performative. Well, and it's just because he knows he has people over his shoulder like that.

SPEAKER_11 59:18

Well, yeah. I mean, this is his bosses, right? Like, you're you're running their podcast and you can't really completely drug. Like the fact that he said that this is a four-quadrant film epic, did it feel like it was running on all four cylinders, my man?

SPEAKER_08 59:32

Did it feel like the comic is an extended cut? Are you stupid?

SPEAKER_11 59:37

That that's what he said, that he would like that he wants the comic to feel that way, and that's what he felt that there was no way. This guy is into this film saying that he, you know, thinking that this epic comic that he loved so much was gonna be able to be told within 90 plus minutes. So if you knew that, then you knew it was gonna be dark shit, and you could have just said that, but obviously he needs to save his job too.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:03

Make the movie longer.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:05

Why don't you suggest to James Gunn or something like that? But I mean, obviously we have the people, and this is something that they did not talk about. I don't think they spoke about after me watching the the good what two hour uh podcast or whatever. It's they don't really talk about like James Gunn's involvement. They'll talk about Greg Giuseppe's involvement and all that stuff, but they don't really talk about too much his involvement. But like after this dropped and everybody basically were going after James Gunn or you know, after what they thought was uh Greg Giuseppe, because you know, the gunners, the gunners, James Gunn's fans and all that stuff were saying James Gunn didn't touch this film. This wasn't him, this wasn't nothing to do with him. But then we got an article dropped on their head tops that we're gonna have to discuss right now in a second. Um but but I just wanted to wrap this up really quick. Obviously, it seems biased, but it seems like it wasn't the right in my opinion. I don't think that this is the right way for you to go about it and attack the fan base saying that you're pre-exhausted. Obviously, Millie Alcock is already doing that. For you to come out here on this podcast and be like, oh yeah. And uh for this guy, uh shout out to real rejects, but you know, for you to kind of sit there knowing that you hated the fucking movie and that you're looking at this guy and he's literally looking at you like no, you just hate it because you you you know, you you don't like you're you're with the rest of the the base with that don't like the women and don't like Millie Alcock as the lead person and stuff like that. Like that's what it feels like he's saying right in front of him. And what I know for a fact this guy did not like the movie. I know for a fact he did not like the movie. So like I'm just like, why are you kind of just sitting there like letting him kind of talk about it that way? When you know that's not the case. The movie was bad. Like you get you it's not about I think a lot of people were like, Oh, why would you want your daughters to look up to Supergirl? She's drunk all the time, she's falling over, she's over here pissing in front of people, she's doing a bunch of stuff that in my opinion. Yeah, I'm a I'm a father, and I would not want my daughter to be doing half this shit, right? I also would not want her to allow the villain to murder a whole family. Yeah, yeah, like she's supposed to be looked up to. Last time I checked, I didn't think Wonder Woman let anybody die. You want to compare it to Wonder Woman.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:41

She saved everybody, she fought for the things she loved and cared about, she protected people. Why would you not want to at least relate to those core things? You don't have to be a girl to do that, but that's a good thing for a girl to see a girl do that. You know what I mean? Like, that's the difference, isn't it? Like, like that's the reason. Like, where yes, me, we as men can't relate to Supergirl, but we can relate to the values of what Supergirl upholds if she were to uphold them.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:11

And she did not. People are God, people are so it's just exactly how you said it. You say it so flat, clear, that's how it's supposed to be. Mr. Koi over here is playing coy and needs to jump around because obviously there's people that he needs to please and whatnot. Um, and you know, it kind of leads me to what I talked about in our review, which our super girl review is out right now, if you guys want to go check that out. But we did kind of speak about this. Um and he speaks about this as well, the the host of um The Real Rejects. Uh that the Krem moment in this film was, you know, at the end of it, was what he equates to what people were feeling in Man of Steel when Azad was done in by Henry Capill's Superman. Um and he basically says that that that was kind of like his moment. And he even goes as far to say that he didn't even have that moment when Manisteel came out. Like he understood that and why they did that. He did not understand why Supergirl did that. And I think that's a lot of people. So I mean at the end of the day, like not only did the movie poorly show Supergirl, but they also poorly showed her morals up until the very end of the film. And that's just that's why I mean where I'm like, I wish he would have gave him a little bit more pushback, but obviously if you push back, then the guests will shut down and they're not gonna really give you too too much. So he kind of just had to sit there and take it. But you know, props to the real rejects, props to him and for kind of sitting there and taking all that stuff. But I would have called him a stupid bitch in the beginning of that podcast because that was just for me, that was just way too much talking for you to say this movie was bad, it was not relatable to anybody. And the the projection show, this movie is not relatable. It's not. It's nobody's going back to watch it. My theater was empty when I went to go see it. I there's it's not it's not doing what people were at least what James Gunn and company were expecting it to do, unfortunately. And it's it is unfortunate that the second movie in the franchise is gonna derail everything. But I'm sure the Snyder fans are not gonna cling on to this because they don't want to even associate themselves with the rest of the DCU. But if they really wanted to, they could be like, well, the DCU is gonna end after what two, three movies, but at least the DCU went on to span what how many spin-offs like how many times did the DC Universe try to make it work with what they had and everybody's just rejecting the fact that James Gunn's DCU is insane. It's a sight to see. It's a sight to see, let me just tell you. Um, but we are gonna roll around to the next article here, and this is something that I know Josh really was salivating, right? He was Drooling at Foaman. He was he was he was ready to not into this uh into this one right here. And he never sends me any article, so I knew he was ready to he was ready to go, and I'm ready to talk about it with you, Josh. And this article is coming from the Hollywood reporter saying behind the Supergirl bomb, competing cuts and creative differences. James Gunn's video is gonna age like milk. And it is aging like milk. It's spoiling as we speak. Says here for months, DC Studios knew the film wasn't working. Things came to a head in March. Um, assuming March 2026, when the uh studio tested its own cut against one of from the one from filmmaker Greg Giuseppe. Usually test scores go up, up and away. But this March the scores from Supergirl actually went down when DC Studios held the bake-off testing competing cuts for the filmmaker uh Giuseppe and a one by the studio with James Gunn and Peter Saffron. It was a moment of extreme disappointment for those involved as the stakes were high, particularly for DC Supergirl, would have been a key test for the Warner Brothers division as its first feature film not written or directed by Gunn following last year's inaugural outing uh Superman. It needed to work to prove the studio could expand beyond projects directed by Gunn, the A-list filmmaker behind the Guardians of the Galaxy movies, Peacemaker, and the Suicide Squad, and very public face of the brand. And we've did we did talk about that really quick before we keep going down this article. That is something that we spoke about multiple times. That this movie was supposed to be that stop, right? We are getting mana tomorrow, and I know some people are moving that goalpost to say, well, mana tomorrow is really gonna prove whether James Gunn's staying or leaving. But let me tell you something. When Supergirl was being announced, we said who is the director? They said Greg Giuseppe. We said, cool. Who is the writer? He said Anna Noriega, and then also said that she is gonna be writing Teen Titans and Wonder Woman as well. So we said, Okay, cool. So the script must be good. You said that it's gonna be good. We expected Supergirl because it wasn't James Gunn and it wasn't him directly involved, but him overseeing as a DC Studios head, as he's supposed to be. We thought that this was gonna be that true testament to see whether or not the DCU can actually run, right? Um when DCU was coming out with Zack Snyder. The I mean you can say what you want about the studio cut of the air, the Suicide Squad, but it still made money, still did really good for what it for what it was. Um, same thing with man of steel, BBS and all that stuff. Still was making money. Supergirl is not making any money. It's not making any money, and this is somebody that has it's supposed to be James Gunn free. So we thought. Alright, so people are moving the goalposts at this moment, Josh, saying the man of tomorrow. But do you agree with me? This was supposed to be that stop to show that this can be more, exactly what the article said, this could be more than just what James Gunn produces in his wacky mind. Am I right?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:01

Of course, of course, 100%. Oh, we're we're gonna champion these things, creativity and all that stuff, and different ideas. Of course, this is what he said. So Supergirl was basically gonna be the test run. So it just where are we at?

SPEAKER_11 1:09:19

It says here months later, Supergirl outcome is now well known. The movie obviously is not doing well, it's gonna be losing sounds like Warner Brothers close to from 80 million to about a hundred million by the end of its run. And while one failure may not seem indicative of a slate, there will there have been some think pieces that this movie will fail, obviously. Um they did say that Supergirl was basically in trouble since the very beginning. Saying here Gun and Giuseppe had creative differences over the direction of the movie. Numerous sources tell the Hollywood reporter and the film and the film never found its footing in the post-production process. The test scores, which are counted on a scale out of 100 points, never escaped the 60s, according to multiple insiders. Another insider said the movie's top score was 70. They were not creatively aligned in the polite way of describing things, one said one insider said. Other insiders dispute that characterization saying Gun, Saffron, and Giuseppe had the normal amount of healthy friction any filmmaker in studio have as part of the process of making a movie better. And multiple sources say the duo respect the filmmaking chops of Giuseppe, known for guiding Margot Robbie to an Oscar nomination for I Tanya. Um, okay. I gotta say real quick, that saying that you know, one insider saying that they were not creatively aligned, um, but also saying that this is a common part of the process. What I know, these test screenings are usually held in front of Warner Brothers employees. Right? So if Craig Giuseppe is scoring apparently uh the because a hundred points is where it needs to go, if it's scoring in the 60s, um and they're saying that basically it was only reaching about the 70s, and that's what basically uh made guns say, Hey, we need to make our own cut of this movie, it's i i for me it's it's kind of like well if you're gonna put your if you're the head of DC Studios and you're gonna put your cutting uh side by side to the director, and these people work for you guys and you're the higher up, who do you think is gonna edge out? Right? Because if both of them did not score like James, the studio cut doesn't sound like it scored more over what Giuseppe was putting out, only by like a couple points. So why would you even risk that instead of just letting the director fulfill his vision?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:57

Right. Sounds messy. Um, I don't know. Maybe like you're probably right. Maybe they were just peer pressured, maybe they're like, oh, I don't want to go against my boss, whatever. And it'd be a problem, but nah, because it's half half partly because of them, is why we're we're at where we're at, but you know, we're gonna have to cook.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:18

That's why Zach Snyder says no focus groups. You gotta let the directors cook, you gotta let them cook for what they're doing. Uh filming rapped in May 2025, and as early as fall of that year, this uh 2025. May 2025. This movie came out June. It had about a year. Um Yeah, it says early as fall of that year, the studio and Giuseppe knew the movie wasn't working after a December test screening proved to just be okay. The studio decided to take matters into his own hands and take and took charge of post-production to make its own cut. The studio also enlisted writer Jeremy Slater, a gun favorite, who previously wrote an unmade feature based on DC superhero team the authority to help with the post-production process. The extent of Slater's involvement is unclear, although it seems he helped write scenes for a nine-day shoot of additional photography. Original screenwriter and anorega remained involved in the post-production process as well. One issue at play was a climaxic fight which was reconfigured.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:32

Um so we'll start with the part the guy that he hired to write the authority. A movie that we didn't see and wasn't made, was told to remake this fucking script?

SPEAKER_11 1:13:48

Was told to do nine-day additional photography. So a lot of people are saying, and you know, it kind of seems like it that a good chunk of guns involvement when it came down to rewrites and stuff were for David Corn Sweat scenes, which I mean, does that take like nine days to shoot what we basically saw in you know the TV screens and whatnot? Um, I don't know. Did he do a couple other rewrites? They did say they had to reconfigure the ending fight, so maybe a few shots were David Corn Sweat to baby maybe pick up in the first few days, and then towards the ending days was Millie Alcock in the group basically trying to figure out that ending fight at the the climactic fight.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:34

Oh man. What a disaster. Keep going. It was all bad.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:40

Other issues with the movie are unclear, but it's known that music was a key friction point. Uh of course. Uh James Gunn is the needle drop man, right? For his first Guardians of the Galaxy movie on Gunn established himself as the master of the movie soundtrack and the all-important needle drop, earning praise for finding the right song and dropping it at the right time. Giuseppe also has a reputation for melding music to movies, as seen in Corella, his 2021 movie that casts Disney villainous Corella DeVille as a punk rock label in London's fashion scene. The movie had at least four test screenings according to sources. So hold on. So that Jason Momoa thing wasn't completely false, Josh. We talked about this in a previous episode as well, where Jason Momoa basically came out and said that there were two cuts, and uh Greg Giuseppe basically came out and covered and said there was only one cut, and then just depending on which cut made it into the movie, showed Lobo Lobo's involvement, but there was no two cuts whether Krem lived or died, that Krem dies at the very end of that movie. But he did say that there wasn't two versions, but here this source is saying that there's there was four versions, four test screenings. So I I'm trying to okay, uh, that's one thing that we're gonna have to try to kind of figure out in this middle of all this too, because it seemed like Giuseppe was throwing James Gunn under the bus a few times, right? But then also it seemed I'm assuming that him saying that there was only two was him trying to save his own ass. So I think he is trying to separate the two of them, but then also trying to save face with his own work, saying, like, this is what I did, so don't bash me for that. You know what I'm saying? You get what I'm you get what I mean? Like it it seems like he's playing the blame game while also trying to save his reputation, right? And James Gunn is just kind of staying quiet through all this madness, he doesn't he doesn't want to start nothing. So four test screenings, according to sources, with screenings held in December 2025 as well as February and March of this year, which 2026, which that means that they were up until the last second going at editing, and while social media users and critics are are dunking on the movie's use of the cover of Jimmy Eat World's song The Middle, the big needle drop at the final set piece uh at the February screening was a cover version of Cindy Loffer's Girls Just Wanna Have Fun. That song choice came from Gunn, but it ultimately was abandoned for the Jimmy Eat World cover. The movie employed two editors. There was Tatiana S. Regal, Giuseppe's longtime post partner, who edited his Lars and the Real Girl and Itanya and Corella, and there was Fred Raskins, Gunn's longtime cutter, who worked on all of Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and Gunn's DC series Peacemaker. Raskin is also Quentin Tarantino's go-to editor. He also brought on later in the process and proved a key instrument in the studio's slowly heavy hand. Uh there were signs that things were getting better deep into winter. Test scores improved to hit the low 70s. However, rather than continue to tinker away at the cut, the studio decided to force a bake-off by creating two cuts, one by Giuseppe and one by the studio. It is unclear what major differences emerged, but one source says Giuseppe's version was 11 minutes longer and featured more of the villain creme, played by Matias Schwarnart. When the two competing versions tested and the score surprisingly dropped significantly, although the studios inched out ahead of Giuseppe's, but by only two points. According to sources, Giuseppe's version scored strongly on song choices, pacing, and villain. Ecking out a win ecking out a win, even a middling one, the studio chose its cut as the one to go into theaters. A studio insider says the differences were not particularly pronounced. So Giuseppe's did win. And Gunn still said, fuck no, we're putting out our own cut.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:46

Right. Two the they decided somewhere along the way that we're gonna have to change this up and put a different song in and take out the villain stuff, whatever, which I mean that villain stuff probably would have saved you a little bit more on the scale because a lot of people Yeah, uh focusing on the villain, hell yeah, because you need to know where the fuck this motherfucker came from. Who he is, what's his deal, what's up with the scars. We needed those 11 minutes.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:19

I I didn't I didn't remember reading that part, but the fact that it says here that Gizeppe's version scored strongly on song choices, pacing, and villain. Because obviously this is his cut. So obviously he knows what he's looking for. So that's what so this is gonna obviously make more sense in the long run. So it won. It didn't and James Gunn still decided not to run like James Gunn's version. James Gunn's was still like by a couple points down, but you're telling me that Giuseppe beat you by two points and you still looked at it was like, no, we gotta put ours out.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:59

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:01

How does that even how does that hate how does that even happen? How are you so stressed out about what your next movie's gonna be that you put stress on the director? You basically force him to make multiple cuts of this movie to make sure that it's perfect. You add your own two cents in there to make sure that it's perfect, you're still not better than the director that was doing it before basically you're trying to fix, and you still put out the studio cut over his cut? And not even trying to like coach him through it to be like, okay, ours didn't win, but what can we do to make this one a little bit better? You just straight out just slapped it out the way and said, We're going with our cut. That's that's actually insane.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:55

Uh under undermined his whole team, got his guardian's editor in there, got you know, people that he was supposed that he's supposed to trust to go in their medal. So honestly, a creative doing this to another creative, we thought they'd understand that hey no studios deser directors deserve free reign, they deserve these kinds of things. James Gunn doesn't understand that he's not for the people.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:27

That is true. That is true.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:29

He's not for the people.

SPEAKER_11 1:21:30

You are a director who should know how like firsthand how this feels.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:39

Like, okay, just to even give Gunn a little bit of more understanding. You don't get to say fuck in your first MCU movie, which we know you're eager to do, but you don't, because this is a kid-friendly thing. We're making your first Guardians movie. Let's test the waters, let's see how you do. And you put out Guardians 1. Wouldn't you feel like you were mandated by the MCU because you couldn't say the words you wanted to say and put in what you wanted up until your third film? You should know what regulation feels like, man. You should know. Oh I mean, you're it's just so bad.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:20

That's one of those things where it's like you don't treat somebody the way that you wouldn't want to be treated. Obviously, when you're at the head though, you have to make those tough decisions. But that's one of those things where it's like, can you as a creative be able to put on the CEO thinking hat and be like, Alright, this is where I need to not meddle. This is where I need to kind of take a step back and let the director take the reins, you know what I mean? Because it's like if he knows how to drive the car, he's gonna want to be he's gonna wanna take it over. You know, the good part about CEOs, in my opinion, is that they usually don't know what it takes to drive the car. So a good chunk of the time, if you can explain it to them in a good enough way, they will write you the check and then you basically make whatever you want to make regardless. But if they understand what it takes and stuff like that, obviously they're gonna be like, Well, actually, I think it's gonna cost this much because I've done this before and I know what it it takes to you know to do said things or whatever, right? So it's so it's one of those things where like as a director, I don't think you should be in that position. What I personally was like in the beginning, I was like, okay, it kind of makes sense to have him there because it would be cool to have somebody who can green light the good stuff that fans want, because that's what a lot of people were championing gun for, especially with his announcement and everything. A lot of people were happy with his slate in the beginning, even though he did shove a couple like weird ideas in there that were kind of like a bunch of nothings, but they were still kind of excited to see what was gonna happen, and now it's just like you're not even delivering on the stuff that you said. Like you were supposed to be the director who was gonna be for the people, like how you're saying, and deliver on the things that you said, and not much delivering around here, as you can tell.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:08

No, it's meddling and forcing things to be your way and forcing guardians of the Guardians of the Galaxy ribuffs. Oh man, it's just gonna get worse. It's just gonna get worse. It's not getting better. I the article's not over. Just when I think I get fucking like annoyed with his direction and all that stuff. Shit like this happens, and then you think you can do this to your own people, bro? Well, the fact that there's it's not a studio and it's not this fucking like Hamada in them, like yes, it's the same situation, but you're creative, you should know.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:41

You should know with all these like hit pieces and everything like that. I mean, it sounds like his time is coming to an end. So we'll have to wait and see like how long he has. But let's get through this article because oh my god, it it is kind of it's juicy and it's really long. Pause. Studio insiders paint the back and forth process as routine, but others, including one franchise filmmaker who spoke anonymously for this story but was not involved in Supergirl, held the opposite view. It happens more than you think, but it's normal, said the filmmaker of the bake-off. If a studio is going to put money into the test process, it means they feel strongly about certain things. The movie has never tested again, as uh it says that it tested around the 60s, 70s, around around Shazam Fury of the Gods, which I mean me and you could both kind of say it wasn't the worst movie, but it wasn't the best movie at the tail end of all that stuff. So I mean, even if we would have gotten something like that with Supergirl, would it have been a little bit better? Who knows? And from the point on, if Giuseppe believes strongly that something should be in the movie, he had to advocate for it, said one source. So that's what I mean. Like, that's one of the things when it comes down to and you we kind of seen James Gunn as a as a a director. We all remember that infamous clip of Corn Sweat coming up to him, basically saying, Why would I say this if I believe that I'm human and I know that I'm human, I don't need to beg Lex Luthor to to wipe that away from me. And James Gunn went on this big old rant to the point where Cornsweat just basically had to throw his hands up and say, Fine, and we got the final product, what we did, um, at the end of the movie. So I could only imagine how hard it could have been for Giuseppe to kind of deliver what his idea could have been to the CEO of DC Studios. That was basically, you know, that would have been worth it and saved the movie or could have helped them out. And even if it was making sense, if James Gunn probably saw it as like, no, we don't need to do that because we could do this instead or whatever, that's a problem. Um, and we talked about what Saffron said about Supergirl not meeting their expectations and whatnot. Um, so they are gonna keep pushing on, but they are pushing on in a weird, in a very weird way. A lot of spin-offs and everything are being kind of being greenlit fairly quickly. So Jimmy Olson is starting to get their their bearings together. Uh a Deathstroke and uh Bane movie is being prioritized at this point as well, which is weird. Jimmy Olson is getting their casting uh together, they're casting somebody for Gorilla Grod, and they're looking for an actor with comedic background. Interesting. Um Christina Hodson decided to deliver in a draft for Brave and the Bold, and rumors are circulating saying that James Gunn might be directing the next Batman movie. Christina Hodson, if you do not know who she is, she is not Anna Noriega, but she is the woman who wrote Birds of Prey. She wrote for Batman, the Brave and the Bold. Um, and it sounds like Andy. Shady is not sticking around, but James Gunn might want to sink the ship on his own. You know, if the captain is gonna go down, he's going down with the ship. And Mahu's the one better to basically drive it all the way into the abyss. And last but not least, the final fast track show that it seems to be coming up quick because uh rumors are coming out that James got a ZC contract may be up this year by the end of 2026 or early 2027. Which I mean, if our money is correct, I believe it would be March of 2027 or around like uh March, April, quick, March or April 2027. So he's trying to fast track these these projects, this scene it sounds like, with a Mr. Terrific show also being put into the works. That one seems a little bit far off. So like I said, Supergirl does bad. We get all these rumors, Craig Giuseppe points fingers, James Gunn is staying quiet, and then we get all these announcements for DC Studios projects. That sounds like James Gunn is on his way out, so he is going to completely just green light a bunch of stuff. Now, some people are asking, what is Deathstroke and Bane? What are they what could they even possibly do, especially with Supergirl not pulling in money at the box office? What could this possibly be? Uh in theory, I think that this is the working name for the Batman movie. I think we're gonna get a Bane and Deathstroke within the Batman movie, and I think that you know, uh we might be getting reports as it might be two different movies, but I believe this is gonna be James Gunn's one movie. Because we can't do a one, we can't just do Batman. We need an ensemble. We're obviously gonna get Damien, we're gonna get Batman, we're probably gonna get a couple uh cameos from Dick or you know, whoever other Nightwing that might be there, and we're probably gonna get a couple villains, because why not?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:00

Uh I don't know. I don't know if this is a working thing for the Batman movie. Um, I think this could be its own thing. Uh if if I was smart and I'd put this together, I would make Deathstroke our protagonist, and he's going after Bane and some stuff. He's hired to do that. Like, you know, I don't see a problem with that.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:21

Why would you have a movie going after each other?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:27

Okay, Deathstroke does stuff for money, that's the point. Like he's he's gonna be morally gray depending on the bill.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:32

Oh shit. It just takes the dollar amount for this man?

SPEAKER_08 1:30:36

Yeah. Oh hell yeah. Oh shit the moment the moment shit's like it's either it's either he's doing it for the bill or he it has he has a personal tie to it, or um the third option is like like he gets double crossed, and in which case he's like, alright, fuck it. If the rules are out the window, morals out the code's out the window, I'm going after whoever I gotta go after. So maybe he's going after Bane who double crossed him, or that's another theory too.

SPEAKER_11 1:31:05

It could be centered around them, but you know, as Deathstroke being the one hunting Bane down. How how do how well do you think that would do with like clearly no Batman involvement if if they were to put two Batman villains together?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:21

No Batman involvement and it like it have to this would have to be like fucking like that like DC meets John Wick meets fucking, you know, just bodies in the floor. You know what I mean? Like that's kind of what we would need, along with like the big ending clash of these two, like just going at it. Like that could be something. I think that could be pretty cool. I don't know how well it would do without a Batman. But fat like I think fast tracking it, like this looks desperate. I can definitely tell you that, but the idea itself, if I was smart enough to put it together, which I don't think James Gunn is, I could see it working.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:05

But because it's in his hands, I can't even it won't do too well. You get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_11 1:32:09

Yeah, it's not gonna fly high because he's the one who's basically throwing it. I I could get behind what you're saying. I could also think as well. I'm also on the side as it could possibly be the working thing for a Batman movie. If if they're greenlighting two movies and there could only be one, why not just merge them together? You know what I mean? But I I do like the idea that you're kind of spitting out too. That sounds really fun as well. Uh, what about a Gorilla God having this comedic undertone for this Jimmy Olson series?

SPEAKER_08 1:32:40

Fuck this show, dude. Fuck this show. There's no way people give this much of shit about Jimmy Olson. The fake the fake cry outroy from BBS and all that shit led to this. And when it when it does terrible, when it fucking sucks, I really need people to understand that no one gives a shit about this character.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:58

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:01

It uh apparently this might be the next one that films after Man of Tomorrow. So uh we get Seth Rogan as the gorilla or what?

SPEAKER_08 1:33:12

Shit, dude, probably. I know knowing them they probably would, but even then, Seth Rogan doesn't like Seth Rogan doesn't Seth Rogan doesn't really like restraints like that, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:25

Oh I mean he was a little alien in Supergirl too, so yeah, but that's just a little voice work. Oh, what about um his not not Seth Rogan, the other guy, the one that's penning the the G.I. Joe script. He would be pretty cool.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:45

Oh, uh Denny McBride?

SPEAKER_11 1:33:47

Yeah, Denny McBride.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:51

I wouldn't be able to take that shit seriously. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to take that shit seriously, dude. He has such a distinct voice.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:59

Okay. I I really I'm just more having fun with this. I really don't care about a Jimmy Olsen movie or TV show or whatever, whoever it's gonna be for you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:08

Okay, comedic background, comedic background. What's his name? The one that the other dude for vice principals, he voices Cecil. What's his name?

SPEAKER_11 1:34:15

Oh, the one that plays um Walter Goggins.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:18

He plays yes, yeah, yeah, sure. Him. Give it to him, and then we can move on.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:24

Okay, I agree. All right, move on. And I mean, Christina Hodson turning in a a draft for Brave and the Bold, Gunn potentially directing said movie.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:38

The Batman we have a great director for Brave and for Batman, Brave and the Bold. It's just he's shy, and we we don't want to reveal him yet. It's fucking you, you piece of shit. We knew it. We knew it from the jump, dude. We knew it from the jump. You fucking dude. And he just he wants to play coy about it. He's just like, I don't know, man. We just want to figure it out. We want him to be the the opposite of Batman. We might have someone who can do it. Wick wing.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:05

I think he's scared. I don't think he can do Batman. I think he knows he can't do Batman either. And I I believe that he wouldn't want to do it, but the only way that he can like feel comfortable is if he does it. And or see somebody who's successfully done it. I think that's why he wanted Matt Reeves to be just kind of like a part of it because it's a surefire success and you can trust him kind of thing. But after like, obviously you see how like DC Studios kind of ran and kind of with the rumors that we were getting with the behind the scenes of Supergirl, I don't think Matt Reeves is gonna be down with the business like that. So for me, it sounds like James Gunn knows that he's scared, but he just doesn't have any other options right now. And if he does have to do it, it's one of those things where it's like he has to do it because he's in charge, and it's one of those things where it's like I I can't find anybody else to do it, so I have to do it.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:04

Let's hope he keeps his grummy hands away from it, alright? That's the best way to put it. I don't want to see a Batman under James Gunn. I barely wanted to see a Superman under James Gunn, and now I've seen way more than what I should under James Gunn. So I I think we should just call it. I think we should just look in wait for his contract to be up and give it to the next motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like that's kind of how I feel.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:26

Again, uh it's looking like it's gonna be ending by the end of this year, early next year. How many of this is it actually gonna go into production? Probably. I know.

SPEAKER_08 1:36:37

Green green lighting greenlighting some of this shit is crazy. A Batman film we're obviously not gonna get. I think this pole penning bullshit is just so it could save face.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:46

We could also that's what we've been hearing about for a while. So that could possibly be happening as well. I don't know how far they are in this death stroke thing, but that's what I'm saying. If this is kind of like if they really wanted to fast track Batman, all they really have to do is kind of take this plot, mix it in, and put Batman in the middle of it, and they could possibly have their Batman film by the end of this year and basically go into production by the end of this year. Um the only one that I'm like, okay, they really can't just get to it is Mr. Terrific. Unless they could really like just share the Jimmy Olsen set and they're just like filming back to back. But like why in my head, I'm like, why is James Gunn overworking all this crew just to get all these things out? And why are you trying to get all this stuff out when it's all gonna be mediocre shit, anyways? Like, you're just gonna tarnish your brand even more. Like everybody's gonna be like, well, James Gunn couldn't do DC, and then he just greenlit a bunch of nonsense at the end of his run, and it's what we're left with. What the fuck? This is crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:51

Yeah, man. I don't know. I didn't unfortunately I didn't like Mr. Terrific as much as everyone else did. I think this was just more goofy shit that James Gunn doesn't take seriously. I mean, you've turned you've strapped his ass to a chair, you strapped his you strapped him into his own little ship, you gave him a fucking lame ass song for his battle, too. And like that's the thing. People are mad about that one, they should definitely be mad about that one. Or they're mad about Supergirl's Little Drop, they should definitely be mad about the one in Mr. Fix drop. But I think giving him a show this late in the game when people loved him so much you didn't want to fast track that in the first place. Oh man, I've never seen such a here damn in my life, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_11 1:38:33

Right. He's just uh trying to just green light shit just for the fun of it. But like I'm saying, why is the point? What's the point of this? Does that just give him a little bit more work towards the tail end of his contract saying that he needs to just finish obligations? You know what I mean? Like, does that just give him a little bit more work as he looks for more work? I wonder if that's the case.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:55

I don't know, because at that point they could have someone else do it if they really wanted to, you know what I mean. Right. Just an excuse for him to not be in the chair but also be in the studio and involved. It's like oh you can't take it to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:11

You can't take it away yet because I still got work to do.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:14

Right, right, right. Stupid, so dumb. But I don't know. I don't know why he's greenlighting any of this stuff.

SPEAKER_11 1:39:20

Well, if anybody has any doubts on, you know, this whole greenlighting things fast, you know, Josh, let me ease your mind. Let me ease it as well as I can with James Gunn's wife dubbing Man of Tomorrow the best James Gunn movie she's ever seen. And that you should totally be looking forward to Men of Tomorrow.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:49

Look, I'm all for supporting spouses, okay? That's what you're supposed to do. But what you're not gonna do is lie. You're not gonna lie to people and say that this is gonna be his best movie yet. That's what they said about Guardians, that's what they said about the Suicide Squad, and all of them, in my eyes, have been average, okay? I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:10

Well, since she's over here trying to save his her husband's ass, which I'm all for for like the wife coming out and trying to help out the husband, but when the husband dug himself this much into a hole, hey man, you gotta come outside. You better get the fuck up out of here. There's no way that Peter Saffron is over here speaking for you, and that man never speaks. You speak, right? But if you had any doubt on what Jennifer Haldin had to say about her husband and what what kind of work he could bring to the table, she did go on an interview to basically tell us she might be the reason why season two was as bad as it was. Let's go ahead and hear what she has to say about her input on a James Gunn script.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:55

James scripts, I'm imagining. So I want what kind of notes do you tend to give him back on his scripts? Like, what do you feel like you're good at like pinpointing?

SPEAKER_19 1:41:03

I think one of the best helps that I gave James, for instance, when he was writing season two of Peacemaker, and I read the first draft of like an earlier version of the story that he was coming up with. I was like, we've we haven't seen these characters for like three years by this time. We want to know what's been going on with the characters. Where have they been? You know, what's the what's changed in their lives? Um yada yada yada. And and I don't feel like we're jumping into the things that really what what is what interests us about these characters. He ended up scrapping that and just started over new. And that's when he came up with with the story about you know, season two that we have now, and which was really grounded in the relationships, in the loss of Chris's brother, and you know, what has happened to Harcourt's career and how that has changed who she is, and and it really made for, I think, an incredibly dynamic um season.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:07

Did you feel like season two of Peacemaker was a very incredibly dynamic season?

SPEAKER_08 1:42:12

No, I I can't help but feel like she just wanted to fuck she just wants to fuck John Cena, dude. I'm like, I can't I can't help but feel that. I can't help but feel that she's like, hey man, you know what we need?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:30

I need a kiss scene when John Cena like that. I don't fuck, I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:36

I understand, like this is for the role, but think about it. Like that'll be what we need.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:43

That'll make it things dynamic and crowded and full of but what made the first season fun. But also have him do an orgy.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:53

Yeah, I don't think she gave notes on that one. I don't know if she gave notes too much.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:57

And then also, also, James, you know what you should do? You should make this the second project in your universe. You should you should have everybody go see Peacemaker. The same motherfucker's a suspicion, they're gonna love that shit.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:08

I don't think anybody was thinking three years waiting for Peacemaker Season 2. Like, oh, where where's the gang at? I don't think anybody said anything like that. I think we were more like, how the fuck is this gonna make sense, James Gunn, if you're keeping everybody that was in the suicide squad that we obviously are trying to erase, apparently. You know what I mean? Um but this kind of reminds me of the story we were talking about the other day with you know Jordan and Key Pill or uh Key and Jordan Peel, whatever their names are.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:41

The the w the wife hindering their relationship, basically.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:44

The wife hindering the relationship. Now, if we remember that story correctly, the wife is a ac failed actress, an actress who doesn't do too much, where you know her husband, Key, is the successful. He was the one that had a career who could have possibly taken up to further lengths. And me hearing Jennifer Holland kind of being the guy the girl in his ear kind of just gives me a little bit of a reminiscent on that conversation where it's like could he have been creating something that could have truly been spectacular for what could have been a better opening for what could have what could have been an introduction worthwhile within the DCU in Peacemaker Season 2? Because if you're over here trying to rack your brain and you know can't really nail it and all that stuff, it's because you're trying to get it right. And she just kind of comes in and is like, nah, that's not what we're worried about. We're worried about other things, and he's just like, all right, and then we could just put concerts and my music in here too, and orgies and shit. It's like I don't think you helped them, lady. I don't think you really I don't think those are the I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:00

Those aren't the right notes. All you cared about was getting your character to whoop some ass, and that's kind of fucked up.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:07

Yeah, you just wanted to be a little bit more front and center. That's okay, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:14

I guess. I I guess, man. If you if you want to get your bag, if that's how you want to play your husband, that's cool.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:19

Yeah, I mean doing that could have possibly just shot him in the foot, but hey, you know, here we are. Let us know what you guys think, though. James Gunn's DCU is on the rocks. I want to name this whole segment Will the DCU survive? Because at this point, it's on its last leg. I know, like I said, I'm gonna keep repeating it. Everybody keeps saying Man of Tomorrow is that stop. I think Supergirl was the final stop. Man of Tomorrow was greenlit out of uh uh pure survival instinct, just like the rest of these projects that are clearly going into production for just survival instincts. A second ago we couldn't even get a Waller TV show. Now all of a sudden we can get all the TV shows in the world, like all the ones that we don't really care about, and what it seems to me looks like is the least expensive. You don't necessarily show him in the show, you could just have him as a voice and then use him at the end of the series, like a lot of people usually do. But though, I don't know. I don't know. This seems like a disaster. We'll have to wait and see, though. Moving on, Josh. Amanda Listenberg is back, but not in the way that you think. Um, Children of Blood and Bone author Tommy Adayimi uh says that she will not be watching the film version as she has gone head to head with Paramount over creative differences of the film. She was making uh a movie uh adapting her book, Children of Blood and Bone, and she just cannot seem to go past some of these creative differences that are coming from the studio. Uh Mandela Stenberg, uh, if you remember her, she was in the alkali, and she, you know, don't fuck with your discourse, whatever. Um Damis Idris is in this film. Cynthia Avario, which if you remember her, she was also in a wicked. Um she was also kind of a problematic person. Regina King, Idris Alba, and Vi Viola Davis were all going to be starring in this book adaptation. Sounds like a stat cast for the most part, right? But the creator went on to TikTok to basically share the news that she's not gonna be promoting this film, she wants nothing to do with it, and goes as far as to show that she blocked not everybody, but one actress that she decided to block was Amandela Stenberg herself for whatever reason. So this is the TikTok that she basically put out, and then we'll uh we'll talk about the the heated exchanges in the text messages that she decided to put on blast. It says there, oh shoot, uh, why don't you post about the adaptation of your first film adapt wait, why don't you post about the adaptation of your first film adaptation anymore? And then you just see a bunch of screenshots and text messages. Don't ever talk or text me, and that was to imagine Stenberg's chat where she's just telling everybody to fuck off. She's basically letting everybody know, fuck off. So it says here, according to the screenshots, the author sent messages in February 2025. This would have been around the time where Stenberg posted a video on TikTok in which she responded to colorism backlash surrounding her role and said that IDMI had supported her casting. That post has since been deleted. Eddie Yemmy's Saturday post included another screenshot of messages to unidentified recipients with the author writing, since someone asked, I have not seen the film and I will not watch it. It's been painful holding this back from all of you. She added, I am sorry if any of you thought I didn't care. I will always care about us more than any glitter, which I'm assuming is the money and all that stuff. When she posted um on TikTok comments, we're asking what happened, what are her feelings and all that stuff. She says, I don't mind anyone going to watch the film. I wrote this for us, I fought for us. I'm just laying down my sword and officially separating my name because I can't keep being hurt and attacked behind the scenes. Um and yeah, yeah, apparently one of the one of the main people that she completely blocked, not just as a whole with the crew, but individually was Amanda Listenberg.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:58

Oh well, that's what Happens when your thing gets hijacked. This is this is a problem. This is another studio meddling thing, by the way. Um, we just got we just got that shit plastered all over the fucking thing. But um, this is the problem with studios and you know, independent people who want to try and make their name, do big stuff, where they get steamrolled by studios, and I mean Paramount, I would assume, never would have had such a problem unless it's Tom Cruise, you know what I mean? But the fact that it's happening, and those lists of people we know are kind of like activists and have a certain message and push certain things, are hijacking her book. I also would not want to be a part of that because at that point you're trying to bastardize my thing, and I don't want that.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:48

So, right. Um, and I mean this is kind of like a strike against Paramount as well, because you know, as Paramount being the company who's buying Warner Brothers and trying to show and be like, hey, we're trying to make the best films as we can, and you kind of pissing off the author who you're basically basing your movie off of, adapting their book and all that stuff. Now, this could totally be a creative issue with the actors, and uh the Paramount is just siding with the actors and the creative team that is making this book turn into because obviously she's an author. You can write books, but you don't know how to make movies, right? So Paramount obviously gotta have some quick say in what the film's gonna be put out there and whatnot, and yada yada yada. But for her to go out of her way and go straight for an actor says that she's having issues with said actor, and Paramount's taking the side of the actor because they already want to either change things within the story and it would make things a lot easier if she kind of just uh willingly just step back and basically just stepped off on her own, you know what I mean? So kind of sticking with the crew and all that stuff would be would be better in the long run, regardless of what I would have just assumed, right? Um yeah, I I would say that this is more a strike on Paramount for what they're doing. Because right now they have to they should really be on good behavior just so to get the public audience to be like, hey, they are gonna do whatever they need to do to make sure that the movies are coming out, movies are being pumped out, and we're getting the best version of those movies, right? And in my opinion, to get that best version of those movies, she may not be she may not be the the m a movie maker, but she is the author, and she can kind of you know visualize and kind of help paint the picture for people to put it onto the big screen and whatnot, you know?

SPEAKER_08 1:52:43

Right. Yeah, and like yeah, exactly. Without her, this idea probably doesn't even exist, you know what I mean? For Paramount to have this kind of hot water when they're trying to close a deal and all that stuff, you don't need a fire in-house when you're trying to do that shit, bro. Come on. There's people watching. So like watching So like yeah, the and the fact that it's like these actors, you know, you know what I'm talking about. It's these actors that are kind of ad doing certain things to her book. It's unfortunate to hear.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:11

Yeah. But we all we all know that it's it's Amanda Lestenberg has been a problem, right? Um her, Rachel Zegler, but you know, all these people that are just coming out. Millie Alcock is apparently putting herself in in that mix as well. So it's like we're getting all these people that are just problematic and it's unfortunate that the author's walking out because it'd be better you know if we get them throughout the whole process to get them with the best product that we can possibly get. But I mean we got I guess we got so many problems within Hollywood. I guess this is just one of those that it's unfortunate, but we just kinda gotta let this one go. And it's uh hopefully if the movie comes out it's good on its own. And the book doesn't have to be the extended cut of whatever you're watching or whatever, right? Um, but yeah, it is what it is. Let us know what you guys think. Amethyl Stenberg. Her name's in the business, but she is smart enough to keep herself out. As long as she's not dropping a diss song on her, I think we're okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:20

Alright, man.

SPEAKER_11 1:54:21

Alright, let us know what you guys think. Moving on. Josh Warner Brothers is now all in on the YouTube meme, horror thing. This the obsession train, the backrooms train has sparked creativity. Where Siren Head is now being the next talked about medieval movie to come out of the Zack Gregor mastermind. Brad Duffenfield is directing, and weapons uh filmmaker Zach Gregor will be co-writing this film. So we're getting a couple horror people to get this job done, but what I need to know is what the hell is siren head? I I I don't know what siren head is.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:03

Um so it's another YouTube thing. I'm not too sure. I know I've seen a couple videos on it. It's it's like I don't even it's not like post-apocalyptic. I thought this was more down the road of like Silent Hill, where it's like you hear the siren head, you avoid him, and all that stuff. He kind of just passes by, but you make noise, he comes after you, type shit. So it could be pretty good, but I'm not too sure. So we're just gonna have to wait and see a little bit on that. But I mean, cool that the concept and this all that shit comes from YouTube, you know what I mean? Can't be mad at that.

SPEAKER_11 1:55:39

I mean that they're they're going all in. Let me see, siren head, just so we can get a a glimpse of what this might be.

SPEAKER_10 1:55:47

Hor horror short film.

SPEAKER_11 1:55:55

You wanna watch this on on pod or off pod?

SPEAKER_08 1:55:59

Okay, I say we we can watch it on pod, but let's like cut to the juicy stuff.

SPEAKER_11 1:56:04

Okay, cool. Okay, so what I'm getting from it is that it's a it blends in, obviously, as like a telephone pole and all that stuff, and it attracts you with noises that you know kind of like like a skinwalker, right? Like it's gonna make you hear what you want to hear. The it could do sirens, it could do all kinds of stuff and everything, and it'll probably do a bunch of jump scares. How scary is a tall what looks to be a human body with just a siren head?

SPEAKER_08 1:57:41

Yeah, it usually supposed it's supposed to be like foggy and the atmosphere is supposed to be a little different. That was clearly during the day. They couldn't like replicate that, but you know, that's the that's the vibe. It's supposed to be like eerie and all that stuff. So but I do like the okay. I don't like you haven't uh I'm waiting on Zach Krager. I'm waiting on Zach Crager to do good work again, but Brian Duffield, okay, he did the babysitter. We like the babysitter, don't we? Um, we did Insurgent, he did No One Will Save You, He did Underwater.

unknown 1:58:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:15

Um, you know, he's he's done a pretty good chunk of movies that I know we've kind of enjoyed. So I think it's in good hands.

SPEAKER_11 1:58:23

Okay, okay. Yeah, and I mean Resident Evil is gonna be coming out soon too, so that'll be kind of like a good testament on what Zach Krager can act. You know, we weren't a fan of weapons, but hopefully he'll bounce back for us pretty easily. But uh a siren head, I mean this kind of seems like uh we saw the success that everything was having with the YouTube stuff, so we kind of just want to jump on top of it as soon as possible. And instead of getting something that's an actual really, really good idea, we're gonna get the very first thing that comes to our table that's like somewhat eerie and creepy, and this is it. You know?

SPEAKER_08 1:59:01

Well, this one and I mean the other one, which it looks like you have pulled up on the other side right there. I wanna hope that that's what that is right there. What the analog. The manda the the mana the analog horror, what is it called? You didn't see that one? Is that not what that link is right there? I thought you would have had that.

unknown 1:59:22

No, no, I don't know what the analog horror is.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:25

It's the Mandela catalog or something like that.

SPEAKER_11 1:59:27

Oh, I heard about that one. I just didn't know what that was. I didn't know how it's another YouTube thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:31

And actually, that one's actually a lot better.

SPEAKER_11 1:59:34

Okay, and what is that?

SPEAKER_08 1:59:36

Okay, so it's the same thing, except this one deals with um it deals with like doppelgangers.

SPEAKER_11 1:59:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:44

And uh that one's a lot more creepy because it's like if you hear it, if you if it's in your house, it's too late type shit. It's actually kind of eerie and it's nice and it's pretty good. I would suggest watching those by yourself because they are they can be like scary and stuff. Yeah. I would say it it's the concept itself is like, like I said, doppelgangers come over, you get uh a lot of it's a warning sign, all that stuff. I would say check it out.

SPEAKER_11 2:00:10

Okay, so they got the film rights to the viral YouTube horror series. Um, it was a highly competitive 11th studio bidding war. So a lot of people are interested in these YouTube adaptations, and oh my goodness. If you would have made a if you made a YouTube horror movie anytime in the early YouTube career days, they are coming to your door knocking at this point. And you're gonna get a whole bunch of money. So the YouTubers are finally getting their their shine. They're finally getting their shine on, which is it's really good. It's really good. It's about damn time. They're they're really going all in. Thank you to the Philippo brothers. I I gotta believe that it's it's their you know, they kind of started the wave, right? I know some people are talking about the back rooms and all that stuff, like it's them, but um the Philippo brothers basically started the wave, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:00:57

The the Philippo brothers, Marco Player, you get you gotta give it to them, bro.

SPEAKER_11 2:01:01

Okay, well, yeah, Mark Rock, whatever then, but the the Philippo brothers put out two movies way before they even put out their movies.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:08

That's right. I'm saying those two. They they gotta they gotta be the ones that like pioneered the shit.

SPEAKER_11 2:01:13

I'm saying you meant like Mark Mark, like he deserved a little bit of credit too. I'm like, I don't think that Mark guy deserves anything. Like the two pioneers had to be the the brothers, which is clear.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:24

Both I would I would say they share the the glory, all right. The Philippo brothers have done two movies, and we've already said one of them isn't as good as the others.

SPEAKER_11 2:01:34

They're both really good though. The only one that wasn't as good as the other one was the first one, and I mean that was their first endeavor, but even then it was still pr it was a pretty good movie for what it was, right?

SPEAKER_08 2:01:48

So I mean it's I it I I heard the Iron Landscape, I heard the And it has to be a little different, it has to be a little different, so I can give you that because they were not making YouTube adaptations of what they've already done, these are movie studios coming to them and being like, hey, make this movie for us.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:08

That is true, that is true. That's another thing. So it's not like they're doing their own original YouTube horror idea. They're they were doing like an idea the studio brought to them and they brought it to life and they did a really good job. So uh, I mean, maybe there is some some glory to be shared, but I want to give it to them because I feel like they're goaded 100%. So I don't know that Mark multiplier or anything, but it's Mark Applier.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:33

All right. Do you want the fans to come after us? You gotta say his name right. It's Marky Plier.

SPEAKER_11 2:02:37

Markiplier, my bad. Mark two pliers. Um so moving on though, let us know what you guys think though. YouTube movies are coming in, not YouTube movies, but YouTube ideas of horror films are coming into uh fluition, and it seems like they're gonna be paying off. Hopefully we don't get a shitty one, and then we get the whole conversation of YouTube fatigue, right? It's gonna be like YouTube fatigue now and all that stuff, and blah blah blah blah. We don't need all that stuff. Uh, but moving on though, Josh. Vin Diesel has finally gave us they finally gave us the update that you wanted, okay? Fast Eleven has finally started. He put out an Instagram video. It's like five minutes long. We're not doing that. We're not gonna we're not gonna play the whole thing, but I'll just let you know.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:20

The gist of it is literally just him being like, Thanks, guys. We're we're gonna do the best we can in a low tone of voice. I've seen it. Okay, I've seen it.

SPEAKER_11 2:03:27

I'm gonna show you the background. I'm gonna play it a quick second just so you can see the they're in the garage. I'm upset.

SPEAKER_15 2:03:34

People are grinding. Incredible crews are working.

SPEAKER_11 2:03:40

They got the Dodge Charger back. Yeah, it's a whole video of him just thanking everybody, and I'm I'm good. We're not gonna listen to the whole thing, but uh he looks kind of like a turtle right here for some reason. I don't understand. He looks like a turtle about to get a snack. I don't know why I paused it like that, but it just landed at the right time. But we do got the Dodge Charger in the back. He's back in the garage. How did he get there from the ending of Fast X? I don't know, but I guess we're you know finally back. And then also, you know, we also talked about the four TV series spin-offs that are possibly in play for Universal. So depending on how this movie does, I'm assuming we might get word on one of those spin-offs. But what do you think about you know Fast Eleven actually happening at this point?

SPEAKER_08 2:04:28

Let's just wrap it up, man.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:30

Let's hope we delivers something good.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:32

Let's wrap it up. Let's wrap it up. You know what I mean? That's kind of where we're at.

SPEAKER_11 2:04:39

Jason Momoa returning.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:42

Probably. Haven't heard a lick from anybody. I think Ludacris commented under his post and all that stuff. So let's hope everybody's coming back. You know what I mean? And he's not cutting, he's not cutting the fat anywhere, and no one died like they were supposed to. So yeah, you know, let's let's get back to it. Right, right, right. Let's just cut to let's just cut to it. Hey Dwayne, like let's just cut to it. You know, like let's get everybody involved, give us a nice, cool two hours. Vin can probably die. It's fine, you know what I mean? Like it's cool.

SPEAKER_11 2:05:14

Do we see uh John Cena return?

SPEAKER_08 2:05:18

Hey, I sure fucking hope not. If he could survive going up in smoke like that, bro, I would be fucking livid.

SPEAKER_11 2:05:27

You just built a car to kill yourself. It doesn't make any sense. Like, yeah, no, like you knew this function was gonna come in handy. We should, you know, Dom should have been checking in on his brother. He shouldn't have taken nine movies for him to check in on him, because that's that's a concerning thing, you know? That's a concerning thing. Right, right, right. Uh, but it's good to know that you know as well that we are kind of ramping up in the Fast Eleven era possibly getting those spin-offs if this movie does really well. Uh yeah, we're not gonna listen to that whole video though. We don't need to listen to Vendizel thinking everybody and the heaven and the stars. For 10 minutes, right? We're we're okay. But let us know what you guys think. Josh, we're rounding about to our trailers here. Uh we got our first trailer, Werewolf. Robert Eggers is coming back, all right? Gave us No Shop for Rock 2 with Aaron Taylor Johnson and uh uh Lily Rose Depp. And now he's giving us Werewolf with uh Aaron Taylor Johnson and Lily Rose Depp. Uh you know, he he likes to play with the people he plays with, right? It's kind of like David Ayers, Jason Satham, and you know Adam Sandler, James Gunn and his friends, right? Like we can't be too upset about the formula when it actually works, I guess, right? When it's actually working. We you were a fan of Noseferatu, I believe.

SPEAKER_08 2:06:46

I didn't. I like Nosferatu, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:06:49

Friggy yeah, movie. You know what I'm saying? Uh, but yeah, we we got werewolf, like I said, returning actors. What are we expecting out of out of another Robert Eggers film?

SPEAKER_08 2:07:00

For from what I've heard already, like what it's about, I'm hoping it's good. I'm hoping it's like I'm hoping it we get like a creepy ass transformation of Arentana Johnson turning to the wolf man, all that stuff. Like, I hope it gets pretty good.

unknown 2:07:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 2:07:16

Alright. I same thing. I just you know Robert Eric is needed to not be so freaky this movie. Like, let's try to let's try to it's still gonna be kind of bad, I'm pretty sure, but it's gonna be excitingly good. I can't wait. And then you can see somebody hanging in the background right here in the beginning thing, just to give you it's not a branch. I thought it was a branch for a second, but I'm like, no, somebody's actually That's a body shaped branch.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:39

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_11 2:07:40

I thought it was hanging off the side through my peripheral, and I was like, oh, it's probably just like a shadow, but it's I don't know. Did you notice it before me? I didn't hear you say nothing.

SPEAKER_08 2:07:48

What are you talking about? That is a whole body back there. That's two bodies. I think it's that one and then the one right there where your mouse is.

SPEAKER_11 2:07:53

But you didn't say nothing until I said it. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_08 2:07:56

That looked like a body. I didn't know we were just calling out dead bodies. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_11 2:08:00

I just wanted I just thought I thought we both knew it was a branch. All right, we let's get into it.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:12

What is this deal? I think he did this shit with Nosferatu.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:16

This is what he likes to do. This is like the era he's gonna.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:19

There's something wrong with him. There's something wrong with him.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:22

No, uh oh.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:23

That movie looked too real. There's nothing wrong with him.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:26

He's doing did a great job. It looks really good. It looks really good. I'm excited. Yeah, there's probably something wrong with him, but it looks really good. I can't believe you know. I never thought Jordan Peel was, you know, as good at horror until we found out that you know there's something wrong with him for sure.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:48

There's something wrong with him, bro. It looked good, but there's something wrong with him. I don't know, I don't know. I didn't I shouldn't like it as much because I know there's something wrong with it, but I like it.

SPEAKER_11 2:10:59

It's it's worth a watch. I mean, if you like Nosferatu, I mean it's the same thing. You're just kinda like, wow, like Eda, it's there's something wrong with him because he's not shying away from the crazy stuff, right? And that's a lot of the things that you would kind of expect from like a werewolf movie and all that stuff. Like there's no point for like a handsome Hugh Jackman walking around and you know, fighting CGI werewolves and all that stuff when we can get as close to realism as we can and grounded, and this is what we get with that, and it's it's actually insane.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:34

I wonder if he really liked him in Nosferatu as the guy, and he was just like you should be the werewolf guy. Like, you couldn't be my Nosferatu, and that's a shame. But you would kill it as his guy. Like, I wonder if that was a conversation they had.

SPEAKER_11 2:11:49

I think so too. I mean, uh we noticed William Dafoe is also in here too, so it's like it he's probably looking like fucking Ebenezer Scrooge. Yeah, he's just probably creating that close knit group. Kind of like what S Wes Anderson has been doing, you know, Adam Sandler does it. You just kind of work with the people that you know can bring out what what you basically need. And Aaron Taylor Johnson is not a bad pick, but that's actually a really good guy to have on your on your roster. He made craven. That movie was not that good.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:20

Best part of that movie. Best part of that movie was him.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:22

So same thing with Bullet Train. I can't even lie.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:29

Aye, man. Okay, yeah. Moving on, dude.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:33

I know what you're gonna say bad bunny.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:34

Alright, well no, not bad bunny. I was I was gonna say literally anybody else.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:41

That's why I said Aaron Taylor Johnson and you were like bad bunny. That's all I mean. That's not what I said. That was literally anybody else. You could have been like, yeah, him. Literally anybody.

SPEAKER_07 2:12:55

No, no, no, dude, no. Fuck no. Not bad.

SPEAKER_11 2:12:58

What do you guys think the werewolf trailer is out on YouTube right now? Josh, moving on. We have Union County starring Will Poulter and Noah Centino. We know who Noah Santino is. He played right Adam and Adam Fighter.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:19

Or Adam. He was right.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:22

Adam and Adam Adam and Damn. And Black Adam. And Black Adam. And he's gonna be in Street Fighter. He's gonna be in Street Fighter. He's also gonna be playing Young Rambo.

SPEAKER_24 2:13:31

Young Rambo.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:32

Nice. Or Young Alone or something like that. So he's gonna be playing in here. Will Poulter's gonna be in here. Uh but I think the last thing we seen Will Poulter in was Guardian's three.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:44

I saw him in the bear. You saw him in Guardian.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:50

Is season five good?

SPEAKER_08 2:13:54

It's okay. I mean, I would have preferred a different ending, but yeah.

SPEAKER_11 2:13:59

Do we still got Will Poulter?

SPEAKER_08 2:14:01

Yeah, you still get him. Yeah. He shows up in season uh season two, and then after that he becomes like a regular, so it's okay.

unknown 2:14:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_11 2:14:10

Alright, let's jump into this trailer to see if it's worth a watch.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:16

Um I'm Cody and I'm an addict. I've been uh addicted to opiates since I was 17, and uh I'm part of the adult recovery court program, and uh so I'm here.

SPEAKER_24 2:14:33

So the basic rules are to abstain from drugs and alcohol, attend the court sessions and appointments, and to submit to drug and alcohol testing. We treat everyone on a case-by-case basis as a rubric, but back to jail is always an option. Okay.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:59

That's my brother.

SPEAKER_18 2:15:00

That's my friend.

SPEAKER_16 2:15:01

Sorry about that.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:07

Do you need anything? Is there anything you can do to help you? Well, are you sure?

SPEAKER_10 2:15:18

I think that there's just that I cannot understand.

SPEAKER_16 2:15:26

I don't need it. Don't be still.

SPEAKER_24 2:15:39

I didn't do anything to put the cuffs on you.

SPEAKER_18 2:15:44

I'm gonna do everything I can for you and for Jack to help you guys get through this.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:58

Keep working hard, okay? Get yourself around good people. Like you said, it's people, places, and things. When you're in this program, Cody, you have to comply with the rules. So, what's it gonna be?

SPEAKER_11 2:16:24

Oh, Dominic Fike is making a song for this movie too, and that's nice. Um it looks good. I'm probably gonna sound dumb, but can we have indie American indie? Because I mean, like, I know like usually indie films are usually passion projects from like abroad. You know what I mean? Like that's what I usually think of when I hear indie films. I mean, can we if we're we're gonna move that to America because of like this whole Trump thing and they're trying to make it a thing where it's like, oh, we can make indie films in-house and stuff like that. Is is that what this movie's trying to do?

SPEAKER_08 2:17:00

No, indie films can be anything that's done by like anyone independent. Like if I were to make a movie right now, I'd be indie because I don't I don't have association or ties to like any any company, whatever.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:13

Okay. It's just they're more popular abroad. Okay, that just m probably makes more sense than here in America.

unknown 2:17:18

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:20

But I mean anyone can.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:28

You make independent films and hopefully you can make it to Hollywood.

unknown 2:17:32

I get it.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:32

Right, right, right. Or the Keynes Festival in that sense. But anyone can make an independent film. If you're working on film, you are working independently. You everything is coming from you, you're funding everything to you know, get there, basically.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:46

Yeah, it just doesn't happen as often. Or as it's not as well reported as often here in the States than it is.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:52

Right, right. Like yeah, you gotta make a splash at the Keynes Festival basically for all that.

SPEAKER_11 2:17:57

Right, right, right. Okay. Well, what do we think about the trailer though?

SPEAKER_08 2:18:00

I like it. I like it. I think it's a nice nice little heartfelt movie. I think I can get behind this. Is it a theater movie? Probably not, but I could probably get behind it in like streaming and stuff.

SPEAKER_11 2:18:10

I would say so too. I would watch it streaming. Like as soon as it comes out, this probably would be like it sounds like it's probably gonna come out in the second half of the year, so we're probably gonna be able to like, you know, Christmas time, cuddle up, watch a little sad movie before you start popping in all the you know, like the Christmasy stuff and everything.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:33

This is this is clearly a September movie.

SPEAKER_11 2:18:37

September, October, yeah, somewhere around there. Around fall time. But it looks really good though. I'm down for it. Wolf Holter and I mean I haven't really seen Noah Centino in a lot of stuff. I really kind of want to see him in a few more things before we actually see him in like I guess see his impersonation of like you know, Stalone and whatnot. So I mean we need we need a little bit more Noah Centino before he kind of cements himself as like if he does really good, cool. But I don't want him to be known as the loan's like little double or something, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_08 2:19:10

Right. I'm really waiting on that Street Fighter dude. Like I know that movie's gonna be down the same place of fucking like the the Dungeons and Dragons and the uh Messenger Universe. I'm hoping. I'm hoping.

SPEAKER_11 2:19:29

We'll we'll have to wait and see. But let us know. Check out the trailer Union County out right now on YouTube. Let us know what you guys think. Moving on though, last trailer, Josh, and this one, I mean, we're only gonna talk about this one because apparently the Odyssey has been coming in, and you know, we have neurotic talking about it, we have uh all these YouTubers ripping this movie apart because of the casting uh this YouTube trailer, the Odyssey, the complete IMAX feature where it shows you know what is completely shot on IMAX. On top of that, that's kind of like the countdown for the movie that is going to be releasing pretty soon. It's getting ratioed on YouTube. Um currently 80% dislike over 20% like. Um, I don't have the numbers right now. I don't know how to get those. I've been looking everywhere. I'm really trying to get those so I can uh have them on live and all that stuff. So if anybody knows how to do those, let me know. I gotta I I'm down to get some tips on how to figure that out with the YouTube stuff. Uh but with that being said, I kind of wanted to look at this trailer and see what is getting everybody else so riled up. I'm pretty sure a good chunk of it is just because of the casting. Obviously, we have Travis Scott's in there. A lot of people are, you know, bringing up Elliot Page, playing Troy. You know, we also have the costa, I believe, is gonna be in the film as well. And that's something that a lot of people are like kind of looking at sideways for some reason. Uh obviously it's one of those historical things where it's like, oh, you know, the books and whatever, it's kind of like when they were like, what were they saying when that Assassin's Creed game came out and they were like, oh, it's a black samurai or something, and they were like, oh yeah, black samurais and whatnot. Like it's one of those things, so I I think Narodic called it the culture wars, basically trying to put in feminism into the old books and put in the racial stuff into these things and trying to raise awareness about blah blah blah blah. I wasn't getting that. I don't think Christopher Nolan is one of those people to play that kind of game. Um, I'm not sure. I can understand on the optics why people would think that and why neurotic would kind of bite onto this kind of thing, but Nolan has never been that kind of guy and he's never been that person to add those kinds of things. I think if he casts somebody, I'm pretty sure it's because they are meant for that part in his mind. So I don't know. I I don't know if you've been hearing some of this conversation surrounding the Odyssey. I need to brush up a little bit more, but I'm pretty sure that's basically the gist of it.

SPEAKER_08 2:22:06

I haven't heard anything like that. That's insane. I'm sorry, Christopher Nolan is right to ignore half these motherfuckers. That's the best way I feel about it.

SPEAKER_11 2:22:16

And that's why I'm pretty sure he's not doing the influencer screenings, because I mean I that's another reason why I did a little bit of digging too when we talked about it last time that that's something that he was kind of opting out of as well. And though I'm very much like, oh yeah, that's I'm down for that. I did not know he was being dragged to the internet like that. Maybe it's because he's not adding to the fire that's keeping that like a good temperature, but when the movie releases, I'm hoping that a good chunk of these people have egg on their face because that's not what he's doing. I'm hoping you know, I can have an issue with Elliot Page's podcasting or whatever, blah blah blah blah blah or you know, Travis Scott or whatever, but like have faith in the man's directing that he's gonna produce something great, in my opinion. Because it is Christian. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. Uh but let's check out this trailer and let's see what got everybody so riled up, see if there's anything specific.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:08

Okay. Tell me what you remember.

SPEAKER_14 2:23:14

The Odyssey is definitely the biggest movie that I've ever done in my career. It was like making a movie the way we would have made it a hundred years ago, except for the fact that it's on IMAX.

SPEAKER_06 2:23:29

It's a camera that doesn't lie. This is definitely the format or the window that this story wants to be seen in, and that has always been our first choice.

SPEAKER_23 2:23:41

Never ceased to surprise me.

SPEAKER_21 2:23:42

If there's one thing they're gonna do, it's innovate and find new ways to create and do things that quite literally have never been done before.

SPEAKER_20 2:24:01

My first time working on IMAX was with Chris, and I remember thinking, gosh, it's loud.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:11

Like only two last things, like that's really distracting.

SPEAKER_12 2:24:14

And then they had gone to iMac and sort of challenged them to create new cameras that require, or at the very least, create a blimp that would baffle the noise of the camera. They came back to us with new cameras, plus a blimp.

SPEAKER_06 2:24:44

It's a gigantic, super heavy box that we as filmmakers we're not supposed to be comfortable. We're supposed to present the audience with the best experience possible. So all our effort was all in service of making that work on set.

SPEAKER_12 2:25:00

The people that we were working with are so adaptable, resourceful. They figured out how to do it, creating a mirror system so that the actors could see each other around the camera.

SPEAKER_25 2:25:12

It feels like you're shooting a scene with like a SUV. Uh even with the size of the camera, you just feel like the machine would move slower and it just moves faster than if you were shooting it on an iPhone.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:27

I shared sort of will and excitement before we knew it, we were up on clips with it and uh in boats, and every day of the shooter became easier for us to work with.

SPEAKER_15 2:25:38

And so for the first time ever we've been able to do the entire film of the incredible MX24.

SPEAKER_14 2:25:44

It's a long health tree finally uh coming to really shoot on its massive scale and it's massive format, but it basically choose independent out, and there's a lot of room to do that.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:04

And I think the IMAX is gonna really allow the audience to feel like they are after this journey with us.

SPEAKER_21 2:26:14

I don't like it to be this felt like I cannot wait to do an IMAX either and completely feel lost in this one.

SPEAKER_23 2:26:30

If there is one movie that you go to in the life, no matter what, this is the movie to go. This is your enemies.

SPEAKER_11 2:26:50

Yeah, I don't know how people can see stuff like this and not be amazed and just want to hate on casting and shit like that. Like sometimes it's warranted, and I understand that, but like come on. Like, does this trailer really deserve to be racial? Does this trailer really deserve to be kind of dragged through Twitter because X, Y, and Z like I need to watch uh I need to brush up on some of these like clips of what people are saying about this stuff to I could really have a good defense or at least a conversation about this, but I don't see what's wrong. It looks like a technological marvel. It looks like the shit's gonna be amazing. Like I can't wait to buy 15 tickets to this thing. I don't understand.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:39

I know. That's like I mean fucking imagine Christopher Nolan fucking geeking because he made a whole new camera for this shit.

SPEAKER_11 2:27:45

I know. They fucking put it in a pod and gave them new cameras to do it just to redeem the city. That's fucking cool.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:52

That's fucking cool. I don't know. I don't know how people can hate this. I thought I was gonna see something worth hating, but this looks fucking amazing. I want IMAX tickets to this bullshit. Like I want that.

SPEAKER_11 2:28:03

Like 70 millimeter, please. Like, please.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:08

Universal, we didn't have universal for that. Like this is like insane.

SPEAKER_11 2:28:13

Like the especially what the the director of photography said, like I forgot his name, but he said like he's trying to give us the best experience, and it's taking like it took like five to six crew members just to carry the camera and put it in the right position. And then that's not including them having to lift it and move it around when they have to get the low shot because they can't put it on the drive. Like they like I'm excited for like all that hard work to just be like look at and just be like moral, but people are just trying to drag it into the mud because of some casting. Because you guys haven't even seen their acting yet. Like you're not even basing it on the crazy.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:02

Yeah, that's the thing. The w their wokeness and their politics and that stuff gets in the way of them enjoying good stuff. But not us. We just call it like it is, man.

SPEAKER_11 2:29:10

I'm down for it. I'm still down for it. I can't. I we'll brush up on the the other stuff, Josh, because we have to. We have to, so we can be completely informed on why this this pe why these people are up in arms right now. Okay, we're gonna have to figure that out for another episode though, because this will be our last topic for this one. Uh this one is kind of a long one, so thank you for bearing with us. But you know, DC, Marvel, Sony, and us out. We got we got new movies coming in, possibly taken into the bottom of the barrel the YouTube genre already. We don't know. We have so much more to talk about on our next episodes, but this was a really good week for us, and thank you guys for uh listening to us, coming along with us. If there's any topics that you guys want us to be talking about, any movies you want us to review, uh TV shows, Josh they want to hear their voice on one of these episodes, let them know where they can talk to us and do all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:03

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SPEAKER_11 2:30:22

And with that being said, we'll talk to you guys on the next one.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:25

Touch you guys later.