GoGoPool's Steven Gates + Breevie talk to ooNodz about their web3 hosting platform
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GoGoPool's Steven Gates + Breevie talk to ooNodz about their web3 hosting platform
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I would like to now welcome everyone to the avac ecosystem space. I am one of your hosts. My name is Brey. I do growth strategies for Gogo Pool. We are a permissionless liquid staking protocol and we help subnets and validators launch at half. Cost for validation and we'll be talking about that a little bit more as we get get into things. I am joined here by my lovely co-host, Nathan of Land Slide Network, and they are bringing the cosmos to Subnets Baby. Nathan say, what's up my friend? Good day. Happy to, uh, use Gogo pool in our infrastructure to bring avalanche validators to Cosmos. Oh, yes, yes, man. There's, there's so much exciting things that, uh, that, that are on the horizon that are getting built right now, man. Like, I'm sure we'll be talking about this a year from now. Things will be built out and, you know, cosmos we'll be having, having subnets and it's, it's, it's gonna be a really, really interesting time period and I'm excited for it, dude. Um, I'm also joined by, well, you, you folks may not know about these folks, but you for sure. Are gonna want to know about them and you're gonna love them by the end of this conversation. I'm joined here by Romaine and Nicholas of Ooh Nodes, and what they do is they do web three hosting. So what that means is you can launch a no using U S D C baby and. They partner with Gogo Pool and we're working together so that we can help get node operators a 20% discount on the monthly, on the weekly, or on the yearly, my friends. So make sure you check that out. Go ahead and click that link up top, um, at the top of the, uh, space if you wanna go, if you're interested and you can learn more slash start getting started. But Nicholas Romaine, how you folks doing? Well, uh, where start, um, maybe just introduce, uh, ourselves, uh, to you guys, uh, and then talking about, uh, crypto and, uh, and, uh, uns project. Yeah. But we are very fine and we are very glad to be with you tonight. Thank you Revi, for having us. And naan. I must say that I'm pretty, uh, I love what you're doing right now with the Landslide project. Cheers. Yeah. We're definitely gonna have to get some sort of coordinating happening between all of us, cuz all of us have some. Uh, what, what do we say in this, uh, in this crypto world? All of us have some synergies. We got some synergies. Yeah. Uh, I invited Savvy Defi up here to go ahead and co-host. Let me know if you're having some issues. Uh, getting up here, my friend, and that's Alex Lumley at the helm of Savvy Defi. And for everyone out there who's not privy to Savvy Defi, they are doing non liquidating lines of credit. Everybody. And yes, I love saying it twice because. That shit's fucking crazy. They're doing non liquidating lines of credit. Everyone. Alex, what's up dude? Hello. Hello. Sorry late. Thanks for having me. Oh, there, he's, Hey. No problem, man. What's up the dog? What's up everybody? Let's get this thing going. We're gonna ask, we we're gonna start everything off here. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go over the agenda for today. We're gonna start everything off with an interview with our, our, our lovely partners here at unos. We're gonna, they're gonna tell us a little bit about their crypto story. They're gonna go over, over unos, and they're gonna go over this discount slash the partnership with Gogo Pool, how this whole thing kind of came about. Then we'll open things up for closing remarks from our panel of speakers. Then, you know, we'll get on up outta here, my friends, but we'll get up on outta here with the knowledge of how to launch our node easily. And she, so let's get to friends. Sorry. How did you land here? Uh, sorry. Um, I don't, are you, well, um, maybe network problems. Uh, do you have that guys? Yeah, it was the same, same thing briefly, you were introducing, introducing us to, uh, the first, the first point, which is or crypto story, right? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Can you hear me all right? Yeah, yeah. No, and it's okay. That's okay. Okay, perfect. Yeah, yeah. Just so, yeah, go over your, uh, crypto story. How'd you guys land here on events? Yeah, it could be a long story, but long story short, uh, just to say, I, I could have been in into crypto since 2009, uh, but I wait to, for the 2017 bull run, uh, to jump into like, uh, I think many people, uh, uh, did, or, I mean I met and digging into fundamentals, uh, drives me to. Talking groups where I met Roma and realizing that we both saw the huge pot on Sho of Avalanche and then we started to to work on ot. All right, and that's Nicholas now. Romaine, you up next my friend. Yeah, yeah. Um, myself, I started crypto, uh, with my internship tutor back in 2012. Uh, he was mining by Bitcoin in his garage at this time, and for a long time I remained just a simple user and crypto enthusiast and, uh, um, I, I, uh, um, I'm a security, DevOps, uh, engineer and I've been looking for, for what? For a good way to reconcile my current job with crypto. And I think with s I find, yeah, something kind, kind interesting to work on. Uh, and I've, uh, I, I've been in on since 2021 and of course we are both ready dating Alanche. Of course, and we, we are maximized all that project. Yeah. Like, uh, everybody, uh, in this channel, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think everybody in here is for the most part at Vacs Maxi. Um, yeah. Except for our arbitrary buddies at Savvy. But they're, they're gonna come over to the red chain soon. We're gonna get you guys, um, now, uh, Nicholas remains whoever would like to go first. Uh, could you guys just give us an overview of Unos? Yeah, sure. Uh, in a nutshell, it's, uh, what three nos hosting service, providing non-custodial and permissionless validation as a service office for the Avalanche protocol. To date because we have more in the, in the pipe for the, for the next month. Um, and the project, uh, is run by Source Nod, which is a, a French company. So as maybe you heard, uh, we are French, so the company is based in Paris and Neon. And this the, yeah, we've got those strong accents. Yes. All right. And like what's so kind of like, uh, walk me through kind of the pain points that you've kind of seen in kind of the, the validator as a service market, and then like how do you feel like UNOS provides that solution? Of course. Uh, when we did our market study, we, we, uh, uh, already, so, um, lack of streetable offers, uh, I, we mean, uh, with many so up with. Permission, uh, offers not treated for customers with no technical background, with pricey offers. And when, uh, after, after searching, we only find, we only found, sorry, one player with permissionless access identified and. Among that you have the do it yourself alternative, but it can be quite dismissive, uh, even for skilled people. Uh, we also, uh, notice a lack of decentralization. Um, a lot of the. Provider market is owned by, uh, a aws. So according to the ME study of, uh, June, uh, this, this June, uh, it's more than 40, 41%, uh, of market share. So it's, uh, huge and it's not what decentralization should be. Uh, so, and then at the end, uh, we saw that. All these offers are not properly integrated into the Web three ecosystem. So that's the main pain point. We, uh, and Conter. So that, uh, drive us to, to create our notes. So I act actually really love that, that you kind of identified those pain points and then, you know, you guys start working on things on your own. And so I, so you're helping people with non-technical backgrounds. Be able to start up nodes. Is it, do I got like a great synopsis right there. Yes, yes we are. Um, yeah, we, we wanted, uh, something to be simple and of course, um, integrated into the rip free world. So, um, the first thing we wanna, uh, achieve is, uh, Um, of course not use WBS because as Nicholas said, um, there is more than 41% of, uh, the validator that are hosted on wbs. And, um, we wanted to, um, find, uh, a good alternative for non skilled, uh, non-tech, non-technical people. And I think the, the user interface we had, we have right now, and it's smooth and, and it's fast and, and you just need a brother and, uh, and a meta mask to integrate to, to, to, to, yeah. To, to use our app. Um, yeah. Yes. Uh, uh, regarding the web three provider, you, you will be able in the, in the, in the few days. Few, few months. Uh, to use other providers. We're working on that, uh, more, especially on the safe, uh, diagnosis, safe, uh, interface. And, uh, of course the core wallet of the avalanche, uh, uh, the avalanche, uh, the official avalanche, uh, project. So I'm curious about like, kind of specifics, right? So we got this 20% discount going on right now for anyone who signs up between July 5th and July 10th. What, um, what price can, what, what price point is that at for node operators for you, Nicholas? I'm off. Sorry. Uh, my mic was off. Sorry. Um, yeah. Uh, regarding the, the, the subscription we have, uh, you, it depends on the period. Uh, you decide to subscribe. If you, if you, you go on the weekly basis, uh, it's.$10, uh, per, per year. So for one week, uh, monthly, it's 32, uh, dollars, uh, per per year. So one month and one year it's, it's 200, uh, 300, sorry. And$20, uh, including the discount of course, because the, the former price, the, the, the base prices are, are, uh, 12, uh, four 40 and 400 respectively. And cuz that's that price, that's$10 a week is like nothing. So that's super far, but just so that we can have something to kind of compare it to. What, what do, what is the normal price point usually at, like, let's say if I worked through like a, um, like an infrastructure provider, like how, how much would that cost me usually. Oh, it depends. Uh, it is very hard to say because there is so much offers on the market, but on Ws it's very expensive. Um, because in one head, uh, hand Ws is, um, for, um, I, I don't, I don't think it's righteous. If you want to have, um, a valid data that will be running 24 7, uh, in one years, um, because WBS is, uh, is made for, uh, like, uh, start and stop the, the node, uh, uh, um, to handle, um, some, um, yeah. Um, So, so AWS kind of makes you keep starting, I mean, restarting the note overtime. No, no, no, no, no. It is. How do say that? Uh, it is done for, uh, enterprise who wants to stop and start the node. So, um, in the end, uh, you, if you have some, uh, traffic, you wanna start nodes, and when it's done, you, you stop them. So that's why WBS is very expensive. But you got, um, the, it could be less expensive because you can start and stop whenever you want. You're not, but for, for Alanche, uh, for, for, for the validation purpose, you still got to, uh, you, you, you're not asked to be online 24 7 24 hours, seven seven day a week and for, for, for full years. So, Using WS is very expensive for, for that kind of purpose. So I think, um, yeah, it is like, uh,$150. I think if you host, uh, on I w s and I'm, I'm, I'm not sure because we don't yield that, uh, that one, but, uh, I think it, yeah, it's, uh, it's a red price, so. Yeah, that's a, that's, that's quite the price tag, especially when you kind of compare the two. So you would say AWS is more like for those kind of inter enterprise institutional kind of folks. But what Unos is doing is. It's making it a lot easier. Let's say if I'm a college student and I have a really, really good idea for subnet, then I can go through unos. It's not that costly, right? Like if, if I'm waiting tables, I can pay for ods, um, subscription, right? Yes, yes, of course. Um, uh, we managed to, uh, actually we, we did a lot of research since today we benchmark a lot of cloud provider and hardware provider to find the best solution so then we can keep the price down for, uh, the customers. Got you, got you. Okay. And. For everyone out there, just so I can, um, I'll, I'll go over the, uh, our partnership too, uh, Nicholas and Romaine, just, uh, for everyone out there just to kind of go over things. So, UNOS is gonna provide a 20% discount for anyone who is, you know, wants to spin up a note. Once you get your note id, you can then come on over to Gogo Pool, uh, put in that note ID, and, uh, 1100 vacs. That's 1000 vacs. Just straight vacs and then 100 vacs worth of g g P. Uh, you can go ahead and deposit that into the protocol, um, thus giving you a, and then we'll, we'll match you with liquid staker funds, thus giving you a nice, basically half cost discount on your validator. Now what that's gonna allow you to do is. Now you have the ability to eventually, um, validate subnets that's coming in the future. You'll earn G G P rewards. Um, the eligi eligibility date for G G P rewards ends on July 10th. Um, and you would, if you signed up, be eligible for around somewhere around$90,000 worth of, um, rewards through G G P. As well as your normal staking fee and a node operator commission. Um, so what I love about our partnership and now also speaking to UNOS as well, is, you know, talking to unos, you hear about them talking about AWS$150 a month. It's more for those enterprise institutionals, big business kind of things, right? But there's. There's these, these, these, these people in college and maybe who just got fresh out, who they, they might not have that sort of income.$150 per month is pretty intense for someone who's at that level. But they might have an amazing idea for a subnet or some sort of project that they can work on. And what Unos and Gogo Pool's partnership is allowing us a situation where they can very easily afford to spin up their validator, um, as well as, Have the ability to get their project off the ground. So like, again, hats off to you, to Uno Zoo. Cause man, I, I'm so excited just to keep building with you folks. In fact, we had talked about this before, Nicholas and Romaine, but if, you know, if you guys wanna give'em this a little bit tidbit, uh, what we're talking about in the roadmap. Yeah. Um, specifically with no. Yeah, you wanna go Nicholas? Uh, sorry, I didn't hear the question. Uh, again, the mic. Uh, hey. No, no worries, man. This happens basically every single space. Sorry about that. Can you hear me now? Yes, I can. Okay, perfect. Perfect. No, uh, Can, can you give them like a roadmap of the future? Like what is, what does our partnership look like in the future? And then speaking specifically about NOIs Safe. Yes. Uh, regarding the NOIs Safe, it's, uh, uh, an integration inside the, the, the app, uh, the, the App Center of Nosis. Uh, uh, we will have our custom map in the, in the no catalog. Uh, so, uh, we are, well, um, Um, uh, the, the work is doing well regarding that, and we, we will be able to use, uh, thenot interface inside. And of course, in the future we'll be able to work with you, um, on ways to make it easier, uh, for, for DAS and F N F T communities to start validating. So it'll be, uh, a step, uh, in this direction. Dude, that's, that's so exciting. I, I cannot absolutely wait for us to like, keep going. Everyone out there just letting you know, that's like major outfit. Like, we not about to be talking about that very often, but like, when it's here, it's, it's gonna be huge. We're just gonna make it super easy for. Any sort of communities to onboard onto a validator. So basically you can pull your resources together so that everyone can create a validator together. Um, again, we're trying to make it super frictionless for people to create validators because at the end of the day, like there's 400 subnets on Fuji right now. Each one of them are gonna need five validators. That's 2000 validators. We got 1,350, we're gonna need way more way, way more. And that's just with the 400 ones we got on Fuji right now. And, and, and Brey, just, just to kind of, you know, say there's a protocol who is currently on a different chain but eventually wants to move to that redco. Good. If they wanted to, um, like pull a resources to create a validator to set up things for themselves, how would they actually go through that? You know, just asking for a friend. Well, if we're asking, I can, I can explain if you want, go through it. My frame, you know, let's just drop all the alpha, dude. Let's just do it. Okay. I know I said we were only gonna tease it. Let's just drop it. No problem. Um, in fact, the the safest, uh, all allow, use, all, allow use to, um, have, um, multiple person, um, that will, um, share, uh, same kind of wallet because it, uh, it's a smart contract. It, it is not like a real wallet and, uh, you will have to choose the, the quorum, uh, which means, uh, How many person should validate a transaction before a trans transaction could be made with the, with the safe? But the, but the good thing is, uh, you can, uh, pull together onto the safe. No one will be able, able to, uh, pull out all the phone, uh, by itself. It will need, like, if it's, uh, if it's, uh, qam, uh, three out of four, it will need like four, um, uh, three value, uh, free signature. In order to, uh, do a transaction. And, and that's the way we are gonna make possible to pull together to have, um, a validation so the people will, um, merge funds onto the safe, then go onto un nos, uh, to pick up an nod. And when it's done, uh, they're gonna go to, um, G G P to start mini pool. Am I getting this right? Uh, Revy you are getting this extremely right, my friend, and, and, and you actually went a technical level deeper that I for sure could not go. So I appreciate you for that. Um, but yeah, to, to the savvy, well, to the, uh, hypothetical situation that Savvy Defi has posed, hypothetically speaking, yes. That that means that hypothetically Savvy Defi could. Feel free to get this community together and, you know, get things going hypothetically. Yeah. So very, very excited about this, this, this product. Uh, it's going to make it again, frictionless, right? Somebody in college who has a I idea for a subnet should be able to make it wanna be as frictionless as possible. I don't want none of this gate keeping weird shit. No. Well, you gotta have 20,000. No. Like, just, just come with, come with your code and if your code's good enough, if your docs are good enough, then boom, you can get the support you need in order to start building. Man, I'm so excited for everything that we're building right now, UNOS. Uh, but now I'm gonna pass everything over to my friend Nathan here. He had some, uh, questions for the Unos team as well. You got the floor my friend. Yeah. How did you guys bootstrap, um, like software and hardware in a pretty competitive market? Um, I'm sure what is exactly the question or do we bootstrap the, the, the value, uh, quickly or, or do we bootstrap, uh, the, the, the price, the, I mean, I, I've hosted nodes on aws. I've hosted nodes with. With Nirvana, uh, shout out to Nirvana. Um, my, my question is, how do you bootstrap both your software and hardware as a company to offer low prices like this? Huh? Um, uh, we mainly use, uh, O vh, which is a French hosting provider that have, uh, many data center across the world. And we are using, uh, their RPI to um, order, uh, Uh, notes and we develop, uh, something, uh, on our site to quickly bootstrap a no. So we only need a few minutes to one hours to bootstrap a nod, easy, easily. Uh, we also use, uh, uh, state, uh, state, um, uh, um, Arnold. I just state sync. Uh, to keep the price down. So yes, that's basically what we, we are doing and, and, uh, we, we are using hardware, uh, hardware server. We are not using cloud like v p s because it's way too expensive. I don't know if, uh, yeah. Okay. And that 10, uh, do you earn it or do you earn Uh, yep. Got it. Okay. I didn't, I didn't realize that. So having like a hardware server is way more expensive than like a cloud? No, no. It actually, it cheaper. It's cheaper to have a hardware server, but we bootstrap, uh, uh, one hardware server for one customers. We. Got you. Okay. Okay. Okay. Appreciate you for that, my friend. All right, well we at the 30 minute mark here, my friends. We're gonna go ahead and open things up for closing remarks from our panel of speakers. We're going to go ahead and pick on, I'm picking on Nathan. Nathan's been a little quiet today. Would, would you, um, as, as a part of the closing remarks, uh, speaker of the House, Brey, would you like me to explore, uh, topics in the ecosystem or just keep things brey? Oh my God, bro. Like, I feel like every single week I fucking cry laughing at something. You say, dude, um, go with your vibe, bro. Like, you, you know me, you know me, bro. I just go with the vibe, man. If you, if you wanna, if you wanna go on a Nathan rant, by all means. Well, I'm, I'm curious. I'm curious what, um, what the, what, what the other speakers have to say about, um, other networks or, or, or, What, what particularly about avalanche, uh, is like the first product for unos? Are there gonna be other network, uh, validator opportunities? Yes. Yes. We are working on that, uh, to, to, uh, implement, to, to add more networks for validation as a service, uh, office. But we want first to secure the launch of the Avalanche offer, uh, first, but, uh, we already started to work on the integration of, uh, of the protocol. We are thinking of Ethereum for in, for instance, Of course, but, uh, we have to aim, uh, we have to target, uh, protocols that are suited for decentralization. Uh, for instance, protocols, um, uh, using tendermint, uh, consensus or some, some consensus, uh, around these, uh, kind, uh, are less prone to decentralization because it's very hard to be. Part of the validator set. Um, the cons, aha. This is a very important point for, uh, you know, the cookie monster at home. What do you, um, wanna expand on that? Not, not right now. Um, no, no. I, I, Tinman is, I'll do it tender. We're, we're focused on that, right? So landslide does connect tendermint blockchains to avalanche blockchains. So the reason that it's, Uh, a problem is that tender mint consensus. And you can see this in the, uh, cosmos White paper. It, it's hard capped. The validators are hard capped at 1 75, so even if they were to be increased, they would do so with a potential governance vote. Um, avalanche has an uncapped validator set. Yep. As long as, as long as you're buying, uh, validators from Gogo Pool, you could spin up an infinite validator set. Yes. Could they? That's a good explanation. Mm-hmm. Could they hypothetically govern Adam so that it has an infinite, um, validator set? It's an interesting proposition. I don't, I don't, I don't know the answer to that. Could they govern it? Potentially. You might see block, you might see degradation in network performance. Oh yeah. Because theirs is designed in a way where it has to have a limit. Right? That's right. I gotcha you. So if they were to do something like that, then they would have to redesign the whole thing. Well, yeah. The, the other possibility, right? Um. This can be said about Bitcoin, and I'm gonna run for the bunker from the Bitcoin maxim list. But this is the, this is the problem with Bitcoin, right? Is that it's nakamoto consensus. So we're sort of discussing the issue around long-term viability based on consensus models. Wait, say it again bro. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. So, so like the issue of about long term, like how long is my bag gonna go up for? Is, is relevant to how many users can use the net and what, like how many people can play the game? Nfa, right? Nfa, so, The problem with Bitcoin is that the economics of Bitcoin are, are like a game of chicken because they're built. Bitcoin's built on Nakamoto consensus, right? EIF is nakamoto consensus. Uh, uh, a cosmos is tender in consensus. Avalanche is avalanche consensus. Po poka.is grandpa consensus and, and beefy. These are the, the sort of underlying rule sets of the game, how the soccer game is played, what the referee is allowed to do. Right. Nakamoto consensus in Bitcoin causes some weird issues. One of them is, is the block time. One of them is, uh, uh, time to finality and, and, and one is how the, the, the, the blocks are proposed, so, so. Go ahead. So I'm listening to this, um, this podcast, business War, and they have like a crypto wars episode where they go over, um, just like how everything kind of started and everything. And they were talking about how it was a big thing back in the day when they were proposing governance for whether to extend a block or not. I think there are people on the side of extending it because then you can pack more transactions in there. And then people on the side of not extending it, and I forgot the reason for them not, um, uh, fundamentalism. Is it just fundamentalism? It just for sure. This is what it's like. This is, this is what history is, so we shouldn't change history. Well, it's, yeah, it's, this is, uh, but, but you see the fundamentalism in the fact that it's just an arbitrary number, right? A block is just an arbitrary number set by whatever set by consensus, which is consensus is now is. You know, well, this is the way my dad did it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So in the situation with Adam, it's not, it's made it so that they really kind of can't expand that validator set. Not specifically not, not to my knowledge, no. It says it's hard and tapped. Yeah. And it's the same. Is it the same with. Eth, like does is eth infinite eth eth eth is, um, their, their validators are a little different. I think you can have, I mean, they're, they have a massive validator set right now because of, well, a couple reasons. One of which is that it's a low requirement, right? It's 32 ETH e Wait, really? Yeah. If you, if you're, you could be a, right. I mean the, the UNOS guys can confirm this. Yes, but as long as you have 30, yeah, as long as you have 32 eth, you can spin up a validator, which is a low bar for the network if you're thinking in the network coin, right? It's a higher bar if you're thinking in market price, but. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's a fairly low bar actually. If, yeah, if you're thinking that way, 64, I, I would've thought it'd be way, way, way, way, way more. Well, what, I mean, the unos, the guys can comment on this, but, uh, there is some, uh, amount of risk around and centralization around the liquid staking protocols like Lido and w so like where these. Liquid staking protocols are happening and, and how the nodes are managed. So one question I, I would throw to which you guys can choose to answer or, or not, um, I, I know we didn't prepare for this particular question. Yeah. Actually, uh, yeah. Iactually, I don't know where they are earning the, the nodes notes. Um, that's a pretty good question. Uh, I don't know. Sorry. Yeah. I suspect the East Foundation has some data on this. Um, It, you know, it's sort of a zen koan, right? Like how decentralized is the network, you know, and like this is a a, I mean, a really long rabbit hole, right? Like is it decentralized? If there, if like some of the Bitcoin Max's, to their credit, their point is, Well, there was a pre-sale and there's a pre mine, and therefore it's not, uh, you know, it's not Bitcoin, which there, which had no pre-sale, right? If you look into the ETH pre-sale, it was 85% of the network, the, which is large. If you look into like, you know, like Bitcoin, it had, it didn't have a presale, right? So you could argue, well, it's, it's more decentralized since there wasn't a sale. But on the other hand, there's only 19 mining pools in in Bitcoin, so like it's sort of a koan. So, So I'm trying to like, um, I'm trying to make sure I'm, I'm understanding like the threat of this, right Nathan, if I, if, if I, if I remember correctly, your overall main point was like how, um, with, with Bitcoin there are certain, um, like, uh, feature slash bugs of the way the, the, the consensus mechanism that, that, that it has and that that could impact the scalability of it in the future. Right. And Nakamoto, right? Yeah. The, the, sorry, yes. The, the, the Nakamoto version. Right. And so, and so we need to consider that as we're thinking about the more meta level of which, which, um, like, which chain will end up winning or many chains or however, like what, as we thinking about the grander scale, is that, is that kind like your main point in this, in this, in this thread? Uh, yeah. The, the, it was sort of a, a, you know, a red pill into what. Um, what the future looks like for consensus algorithms and as it's related to, this was a diving off point when like, Hey, who knows, like, what else are you gonna add? And they were like, tenement and let's, you know, but yes, that's correct. Uh, from it. So what's the process look like for a Adam validator then at that point? Is it permissionless or like, is it more of like a governance? So, uh, and if you want, if you are a new player to Adam, you, the way, the way that you have to participate is you have to buy enough Adam to kick out another existing validator, right? Cause it's a fixed, it's a fixed validator set. Oh, that's right. So you have to find out what the minimum threshold to do that is. And then you have to go and buy that on the market. And then you have to set up your validator node, like ideally through something like unos. Right. In this scenario. So, and I can, and that's something you can do all the time, right? Like if someone, if they have the 500,000, Adam and I buy 500, 5,000, like they're just gone regardless. Right. Got you. Okay. That's interesting. I don't. I have pushback on that. Well, yeah, that, that's a certain, that's a certain dynamic, right? It you, you'll see that. And if you look at, and that creates, that's tradeoffs, right? It's like it's a certain tradeoff. Yeah. And then like if you look at polka dot, polka dot has tradeoffs as well. They, they don't have permissionless subnets, so you can't have some random. Like person spin up a subnet, you have to get it voted on by the existing subnets, which is called, which are called these auctions, uh, um, para chain auction slots. Yeah. That, that whole process is just very weird to me, man. Like, like for it to have like a very finite set of them and you have to basically do an election period every four years. Or else what your project is Completely fucked. Cause Well, well, what it does is the reason that they, one of the reasons they have a polka jot, polka dot per chain auction is to give dot utility. That's real. Yeah. Cause it had no utility at first. Well, well, whether, whether or not it has utility outside of that, I'm just saying they're using that as a utility, uh uh, justification. Yeah, it's just like for the network though, like, like me as a developer, right? Like if I have to do this election period every four years or else like my project doesn't have a home, it, it's just a weird dynamic is, is what I'm gonna, but I do understand that they are kind of like the first movers in this kind of space. Cause I've been hearing about pair chains since like, I started on crypto and I wasn't like, 18 or something like that. Yeah. Well, um, this, this goes to the UNOS team. Why would you decide specifically, like there's a large space of, of validators, why particularly avalanche to start with, given that Alibaba has infrastructure, AWS has infrastructure, Nirvana has infrastructure, there's something about the network. And the permissionless setting of it that allows you to spin up a new business here. Yes. But as you said, it is because there is no limit on the ecosystem to spin up a note. There you go. That's, that's, that's the central crux. Yeah. And yeah. Is that it allows for competitive businesses to come in and establish their own, uh, foothold. Yes. Uh, dis Right. A hard capped validator set would not allow Unos to come in and set something up immediately. Yeah. And more, uh, more to that. There is a possibility to add some nets to Yeah. Maybe an infinite number. And this is incredible for the market. Yeah, that's, that's the thing that like really, really excites me and g p as well, so. Is, you know, that future where, let's say again, Fuji, and we're, and, and I love saying what we have already building on Fuji, because like, that's not even like the tip of the iceberg, obviously. Like obviously it's gonna be thousands getting billed, but right now it's 400. And can you folks just imagine, just, just imagine. I'm not even gonna say anything else. Just imagine. All right guys. Um, do, do we, did we miss anything my friends? Yeah. Um, there is something I might add, uh, for the fact that we chose Avalanche. It is because we also choose to produce a rep free, uh, rep free services. And on avalanche fees are low. And, uh, we have, uh, like one second finality. This is something big because if we wanted to expand to, uh, we would have to deploy our contract on interim, interim side. But whenever a client wants to, Uh, subscribe to our services. He will have to wait for many time to get his confirmation, and the expense will be far less good as we have online village right now. Appreciate you for that, my friend. Everybody I already know, I'm gonna sum everything up by just saying red coin. Good. Now we're gonna open this thing up, my friends, for closing remarks. We're gonna start, see now I was gonna start with Nathan, but now we gotta start with Alex cuz Nathan's been real chatty and then Alex has been chilling. Has been chilling. Yo, Alex, you got any closing remarks for the people out there? My friend, I'm not gonna lie. Nathan had me like deep in thought, uh, about the, over the last 15, 20 minutes. And I, and I, I will, I will say that like the. Meta long game of like chains and how things end up working. Super interesting to me. Cause I think it, there's like a, there's a certain amount of like, Scalability that we're thinking about in terms of how these validator things are set up and, and kinda how things move forward. And it makes me think of like, um, governments and how scalable, um, governments are like when you build'em in the first time. Um, and like the trade-offs that are made kind of upfront. And, um, and I think that that. That goes to show that people like, um, like you guys here, right? Like, like g g P and like Nicholas and like, like, like you guys here are super important, not just for the immediate part, but for the long-term development of Avalanche and for blockchain just in general. So, um, yeah, hats off to you guys and, uh, thanks Nathan for leaving me deep in thought again. I appreciate it. Um, and, and real quick, I'm gonna echo those exact same sentiments for Savvy Defi as well. I mean, non liquidating lines of credit is gonna bring so much liquidity into the ecosystem. When you guys decide to slide on back over here, my friends you already know, we're gonna welcome you with open arms. Um, also Nathan, you up next my friend, get any closing remarks. Uh, no. Um, I'm excited to see and spin up, um, an Unos validator and, and see if we can, um, you know, get, get some things going. Fuck yeah, man. And to my favorite Unos folks. Romaine and Nicholas, you guys got any closing remarks out there for the people? Um, not, uh, not at the moment, but, uh, Maybe, uh, if I had one that come after the, the space, uh, I can reach you by, by networks guys. Yeah. I'm very glad to, uh, uh, spend some time with you tonight. Thank you guys and, uh, Nathan, uh, looking forward to see you on our network. Hey, and I wanna say as well, man, thank you folks so much, um, UNO, uh, for coming out today. Wealth of Information. You guys are building something really amazing, and this is just the beginning, right? We, we, we talked to you guys about the other thing that we talked about. You know, bk, you gonna have to, you're gonna have to watch this thing back if you want that alpha, bro, you came in late, dog, but don't worry, it's recorded. I'm telling you it's big alpha man. You man. Man, listen back. Yeah. Um, but yeah, man, just really appreciate, uh, UNO Savvy, defi Landslide. Thank y'all so much, man. Y'all are mad. Supportive Landslide and Savvy Defi also as well, you know, as my, as my lovely co-host who've been doing this with me since like December, every single week. It's pretty, pretty crazy that we're. We still going strong, baby vacs, ecosystem space is the best place to be. Uh, for closing remarks on my end, I wanna, again, elevate this all to the people out there. Again, we're talking a 20% discount on your, no, you can sign up for weekly, monthly, or a yearly subscription. I believe the weekly was 10 bucks, monthly was 32 and yearly was three 20, if I'm not mistaken. Uh, so. Make sure you go ahead and check that out and then bring your note ID on over to Gogo Pool so you can validate through Gogo pool so you don't gotta pay 2000 vacs. Who wants to do that? Or you can do 1100. Come on man. Slide on over here so that we can go ahead and get you validating and start getting you to validate subnet as well. That's gonna be coming soon, my friends, but. Thank you to the amazing panel of speakers that we have today. Thank you to my audience. Thank you guys for coming out. Hidalgo, BK came a little late, but at least you came my friend. Make sure you go ahead and re-listen to this. Shout out ice. Shout out ky. I gotta click into your profile here. Kind web. Shout out kind Webb three man. Really, really appreciate y'all for coming out today. Uh, what's my usuals? Oh, we do this weekly, every Wednesday. 3:00 PM e s t, Hildago, bk. I, bk. I've been seeing you here in a little minute. B Friend. Definitely glad to have you back. Make sure you slide on over next week. We have. I believe we have P two P Cloud is gonna be coming in next week and uh, yeah, we got some exciting things to talk about, my friend. So make sure you guys check that out. And I'm gonna go ahead and do my usual saying everybody all right. All right. You don't gotta go home, but gotta get up on outta here, y'all. Peace.