{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":0.0,"endTime":5.12,"body":"the forgotten generation. So like working hard even if people might not recognize your efforts"},{"startTime":5.12,"endTime":10.72,"body":"or working hard in the hopes that one day your efforts will be recognized. I think that's really"},{"startTime":10.72,"endTime":18.08,"body":"beautiful but I think sometimes that can go too far where all your life becomes is working hard"},{"startTime":18.08,"endTime":27.88,"body":"or it becomes only goal-oriented and not journey-oriented. But I think a lot of that work ethic comes from being the forgotten generation."},{"startTime":27.88,"endTime":32.52,"body":"Oh, maybe if I am successful on this thing, maybe if I do XYZ, people will notice, people"},{"startTime":32.52,"endTime":42.04,"body":"will care."},{"startTime":42.04,"endTime":44.28,"body":"It is Word to the Third."},{"startTime":44.28,"endTime":46.52,"body":"My reflections on purpose, life and growth."},{"startTime":46.52,"endTime":47.52,"body":"I'm Toby Brooks."},{"startTime":47.52,"endTime":50.68,"body":"I'm a speaker, author, professor, and forever student."},{"startTime":50.68,"endTime":55.16,"body":"Each week on Becoming Undone, I bring you guests who've dared bravely, risked mightily,"},{"startTime":55.16,"endTime":56.16,"body":"and grown relentlessly."},{"startTime":56.16,"endTime":60.86,"body":"High achievers who've transformed from falling apart to falling into place."},{"startTime":60.86,"endTime":66.0,"body":"But every third episode, it's my turn to reflect, refine, and reprocess on Word of"},{"startTime":66.0,"endTime":67.0,"body":"the Third."},{"startTime":67.0,"endTime":68.0,"body":"Word of the Third!"},{"startTime":68.0,"endTime":69.84,"body":"It is the new year!"},{"startTime":69.84,"endTime":74.0,"body":"I'm excited to be back after a much-needed break, and the results are in."},{"startTime":74.0,"endTime":78.72,"body":"Yesterday marked the show's one year anniversary, and I came ever so close to hitting my goals"},{"startTime":78.72,"endTime":81.88,"body":"of both 75 episodes and 5,000 downloads."},{"startTime":81.88,"endTime":86.12,"body":"I expect to hit both of those marks sometime in the next week or so, and I'm spending"},{"startTime":86.12,"endTime":90.16,"body":"some time this week lining up more great guests for season two."},{"startTime":90.16,"endTime":94.16,"body":"Today's show is the final installment of a four-part series where I've rebooted and re-edited"},{"startTime":94.16,"endTime":96.44,"body":"my first foray into podcasting."},{"startTime":96.44,"endTime":101.6,"body":"A pretty short-lived show called Better Every Week co-hosted with my daughter Brennan Brooks."},{"startTime":101.6,"endTime":106.52,"body":"You can find the first three episodes of that show here on Becoming Undone in episodes 36,"},{"startTime":106.52,"endTime":109.16,"body":"39, and 66."},{"startTime":109.16,"endTime":112.72,"body":"When Brennan was a freshman at the University of Oklahoma, we decided to try and launch"},{"startTime":112.72,"endTime":114.32,"body":"a podcast."},{"startTime":114.32,"endTime":116.04,"body":"Many mistakes were made."},{"startTime":116.04,"endTime":118.02,"body":"Many lessons were learned."},{"startTime":118.02,"endTime":125.36,"body":"Just like my last guest, Mark DeGrasse, reminded me, just because things don't end up the way you planned, doesn't make them a failure."},{"startTime":125.36,"endTime":129.88,"body":"The show only made it four episodes, but it taught me some valuable lessons that have"},{"startTime":129.88,"endTime":132.6,"body":"helped tremendously to this day."},{"startTime":132.6,"endTime":137.14,"body":"Those four episodes were cherished, and they were good, and I wanted them to live somewhere"},{"startTime":137.14,"endTime":139.76,"body":"even after the show had been shut down."},{"startTime":139.76,"endTime":143.82,"body":"So I decided that I would slowly roll them back out to my new audience with a fresh edit"},{"startTime":143.82,"endTime":146.36,"body":"and hopefully some fresh insights."},{"startTime":146.36,"endTime":149.96,"body":"The conversation was another good one too, and one I try to remember as I'm working with"},{"startTime":149.96,"endTime":150.96,"body":"young people."},{"startTime":150.96,"endTime":156.2,"body":"In this installment, Brynn leads the way as we discuss things like generational differences,"},{"startTime":156.2,"endTime":161.16,"body":"generational stereotypes, and the pros and cons commonly associated with my generation"},{"startTime":161.16,"endTime":164.0,"body":"X and her generation Z."},{"startTime":164.0,"endTime":174.8,"body":"So dig in and enjoy episode 72, Generations, with Brynn and Brooks. I think we have a pretty interesting topic for today and I think"},{"startTime":174.8,"endTime":179.84,"body":"that we're uniquely qualified to talk about it. You're pretty hip with the kids"},{"startTime":179.84,"endTime":184.38,"body":"and I'm a pretty old soul but we're from very different generations because of"},{"startTime":184.38,"endTime":188.12,"body":"when we were born and what the world was like when we grew up sometimes our"},{"startTime":188.12,"endTime":192.2,"body":"outlook on things is pretty different and I think our generations are a good"},{"startTime":192.2,"endTime":196.2,"body":"reason why sometimes our outlook is different. So today we want to discuss some of those"},{"startTime":196.2,"endTime":201.92,"body":"differences. Our opening quote is, each new generation is reared by its predecessor. The"},{"startTime":201.92,"endTime":207.32,"body":"latter must therefore improve in order to improve its successor. The movement is circular."},{"startTime":207.32,"endTime":212.56,"body":"I am Neil Durkheim. So what do you think about this quote? Do you agree?"},{"startTime":212.56,"endTime":220.36,"body":"I spent a few years of my career being a grumpy old man and complaining about the young generation and"},{"startTime":220.36,"endTime":222.36,"body":"one day it dawned on me that"},{"startTime":222.36,"endTime":228.46,"body":"Behavior allowed is behavior encouraged and the only reason my students weren't living up to my expectations"},{"startTime":228.46,"endTime":233.58,"body":"One of the main reasons was because I wasn't being clear with my expectations. So absolutely if we're gonna get better"},{"startTime":233.58,"endTime":242.88,"body":"We're trying to make the next generation better. We can't take a posture of indifference, that's for sure."},{"startTime":242.88,"endTime":243.52,"body":"I agree."},{"startTime":243.52,"endTime":248.92,"body":"Let's see, do you think that you fit the like criteria of your generation?"},{"startTime":248.92,"endTime":251.04,"body":"What would you say are like the stereotypes?"},{"startTime":251.04,"endTime":252.28,"body":"Do you seem to fit them?"},{"startTime":252.28,"endTime":255.46,"body":"Yeah, I think I absolutely do think so."},{"startTime":255.46,"endTime":260.42,"body":"Gen X has long been characterized as kind of the overlooked middle child."},{"startTime":260.42,"endTime":269.78,"body":"We were left to our own devices a lot. The notion of a latchkey kid came about for Gen Xers"},{"startTime":269.78,"endTime":274.58,"body":"where baby boomers are widely recognized to be one of the most self-centered"},{"startTime":274.58,"endTime":279.9,"body":"generations ever and they left us to... and I'm making sweeping generalizations"},{"startTime":279.9,"endTime":285.9,"body":"here, but I know a lot of my friends and people a little bit older than I am, they"},{"startTime":285.9,"endTime":289.32,"body":"were left to fend for themselves in a lot of ways."},{"startTime":289.32,"endTime":291.4,"body":"And that creates a resilience."},{"startTime":291.4,"endTime":293.88,"body":"It also creates some indifference."},{"startTime":293.88,"endTime":300.04,"body":"It creates a kind of a chip on our shoulder where we feel like we got the shaft."},{"startTime":300.04,"endTime":301.92,"body":"Like middle children oftentimes do."},{"startTime":301.92,"endTime":306.36,"body":"They feel like that older child, they have all the pictures and they have all the"},{"startTime":306.36,"endTime":310.2,"body":"firsts for parents and the younger child, they're the baby, they get all the"},{"startTime":310.2,"endTime":317.84,"body":"attention and the middle child kind of gets overlooked. 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And then I'll go into what I think are."},{"startTime":339.6,"endTime":340.1,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":340.1,"endTime":342.58,"body":"Gen Y and millennials are a little bit older than you."},{"startTime":342.58,"endTime":346.98,"body":"It's fairly typical for Gen Xers to pile on millennials."},{"startTime":346.98,"endTime":351.62,"body":"And so I feel like Gen Z gets a little less of our wrath."},{"startTime":351.62,"endTime":356.34,"body":"But my perception of Gen Z, I haven't had a lot of you in my classroom yet."},{"startTime":356.34,"endTime":357.3,"body":"You're on the younger end."},{"startTime":357.3,"endTime":358.82,"body":"I teach grad school."},{"startTime":358.82,"endTime":363.62,"body":"So far, I'm with the younger millennials."},{"startTime":363.62,"endTime":365.22,"body":"I've had elder millennials."},{"startTime":365.22,"endTime":369.06,"body":"I'd say a lot of ways you're typical, definitely more open-minded politically,"},{"startTime":369.06,"endTime":377.68,"body":"definitely are quick to see racial and gender and sex discrimination, probably"},{"startTime":377.68,"endTime":379.56,"body":"more so than earlier generations."},{"startTime":379.56,"endTime":382.88,"body":"But in a lot of ways, I feel like you are decidedly different."},{"startTime":382.88,"endTime":388.0,"body":"Your work ethic to me is in some ways second to none,"},{"startTime":388.0,"endTime":390.0,"body":"not necessarily work-related,"},{"startTime":390.0,"endTime":395.0,"body":"but when it comes to doing the work that it takes to be successful academically,"},{"startTime":395.0,"endTime":396.0,"body":"you are all in."},{"startTime":396.0,"endTime":400.0,"body":"When it comes to practicing and honing your craft,"},{"startTime":400.0,"endTime":402.0,"body":"I'd like to say you learned some of that from me,"},{"startTime":402.0,"endTime":404.0,"body":"but I don't want to take credit for all that."},{"startTime":404.0,"endTime":407.0,"body":"Like you have a drive to do your very best."},{"startTime":407.0,"endTime":413.46,"body":"And I don't – it's probably unfair of me to say that all Gen Zers don't have that"},{"startTime":413.46,"endTime":416.1,"body":"because a lot of times it just takes you a while to figure that out."},{"startTime":416.1,"endTime":420.06,"body":"If you have a natural propensity to do something, you don't have to work at it."},{"startTime":420.06,"endTime":420.8,"body":"It's just there."},{"startTime":420.8,"endTime":425.22,"body":"And so I feel like at your age and beyond as a college freshman, you're starting to"},{"startTime":425.22,"endTime":427.96,"body":"discover, I can't just show up and expect to do great."},{"startTime":427.96,"endTime":431.58,"body":"Like I got to put in the work and it takes some of your contemporaries a little"},{"startTime":431.58,"endTime":433.36,"body":"longer to figure that out than others."},{"startTime":433.36,"endTime":436.84,"body":"So that's my take on you as a Gen Zer."},{"startTime":436.84,"endTime":437.8,"body":"Oh, I definitely agree."},{"startTime":437.8,"endTime":441.0,"body":"I think I like the words open-mindedness."},{"startTime":441.0,"endTime":441.96,"body":"I think that's nice."},{"startTime":441.96,"endTime":446.0,"body":"I think sometimes that's perceived as questioning all authority,"},{"startTime":446.0,"endTime":449.96,"body":"which sometimes it is, but I definitely think that I fit that"},{"startTime":449.96,"endTime":451.44,"body":"stereotype of my generation."},{"startTime":451.44,"endTime":454.96,"body":"Just, we don't just want to know the what, we want to know the why,"},{"startTime":454.96,"endTime":456.1,"body":"which I think is cool."},{"startTime":456.1,"endTime":460.24,"body":"It can get annoying because sometimes that conversation is a lot longer"},{"startTime":460.24,"endTime":466.56,"body":"to know the why or you just want to say, do it this way. I think one big reason why I might not"},{"startTime":466.56,"endTime":471.68,"body":"fit some of the other stereotypes of my generation is because it's because of my family. I've had a"},{"startTime":471.68,"endTime":476.96,"body":"very stable home life. It's been very secure. And so I think that has contributed to, I know"},{"startTime":476.96,"endTime":485.68,"body":"my generation has a lot of stereotypes of pretty bad mental health issues because one, they're more willing to talk about it, but also two,"},{"startTime":485.68,"endTime":490.0,"body":"because I think my generation just struggles with it a lot. That's a really big thing because"},{"startTime":490.0,"endTime":494.96,"body":"so many people that I know don't have that stable home life. So I'd say maybe it's a"},{"startTime":494.96,"endTime":499.72,"body":"lot easier for me to have a hard work ethic because I'm not struggling with all the mental"},{"startTime":499.72,"endTime":504.12,"body":"health problems that a lot of my peers do. Not that I don't struggle with any, but I"},{"startTime":504.12,"endTime":509.64,"body":"I think just because of how I was raised, that's pretty unique for my generation."},{"startTime":509.64,"endTime":515.08,"body":"So for the olds like me, I didn't even know what anxiety or depression were when I was your age."},{"startTime":515.08,"endTime":520.12,"body":"Nobody talked about it. There was no social media. Hey, I'm suffering with this. And so if you had"},{"startTime":520.12,"endTime":526.92,"body":"it, if you were struggling with it, you did it alone. I don't know of anyone in my high school"},{"startTime":526.92,"endTime":531.6,"body":"who went to therapy ever. And that's a marked difference from what you'll see today."},{"startTime":531.6,"endTime":534.68,"body":"And I'm not bragging about that or saying it's good or bad."},{"startTime":534.68,"endTime":535.68,"body":"It's just the difference."},{"startTime":535.68,"endTime":539.24,"body":"And Comedian Not Long Ago, I think I shared it with you, where he said his daughter was"},{"startTime":539.24,"endTime":542.12,"body":"asking him about his mental health and said, therapy?"},{"startTime":542.12,"endTime":544.08,"body":"My dad didn't care if I was thirsty."},{"startTime":544.08,"endTime":545.88,"body":"Like it just wasn't a thing."},{"startTime":545.88,"endTime":551.64,"body":"You're expected to be resilient and tough and lift yourself up by your own bootstraps."},{"startTime":551.64,"endTime":557.68,"body":"And I think with that, your professors who are my age and older, we probably tend to be a"},{"startTime":557.68,"endTime":564.88,"body":"little less caring and compassionate than your generation might want or like or expect."},{"startTime":564.88,"endTime":566.92,"body":"And that could create some conflict."},{"startTime":566.92,"endTime":570.96,"body":"But the flip side of that is, a lot of times we feel like a younger generation doesn't"},{"startTime":570.96,"endTime":571.96,"body":"have the resiliency."},{"startTime":571.96,"endTime":581.0,"body":"You don't have the stick-to-it-ness to struggle through the tough times, because there's plenty of times when I don't necessarily feel like doing things,"},{"startTime":581.0,"endTime":584.0,"body":"but there's strength and there's, to me,"},{"startTime":584.0,"endTime":587.0,"body":"there's honor in figuring out a way to still be successful."},{"startTime":587.0,"endTime":591.0,"body":"That sounds like I'm discrediting mental health. I'm not."},{"startTime":591.0,"endTime":594.0,"body":"Certainly there comes a time when you need help."},{"startTime":594.0,"endTime":597.0,"body":"But I think for most of us,"},{"startTime":597.0,"endTime":601.0,"body":"that notion of indifference and being left to our own devices made us a little"},{"startTime":601.0,"endTime":604.76,"body":"jaded and a little skeptical."},{"startTime":604.76,"endTime":607.56,"body":"And so the only person we knew to trust was ourselves."},{"startTime":607.56,"endTime":608.56,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":608.56,"endTime":612.72,"body":"And I think that's a good segue that there's pros and cons to all the outlooks, all the"},{"startTime":612.72,"endTime":614.0,"body":"generations."},{"startTime":614.0,"endTime":619.48,"body":"Maybe it's resilience, maybe it's pushing yourself too far, or maybe it's giving up,"},{"startTime":619.48,"endTime":622.92,"body":"or maybe it's taking care of prioritizing your mental health."},{"startTime":622.92,"endTime":624.48,"body":"Who knows what?"},{"startTime":624.48,"endTime":629.4,"body":"But I thought it would be fun to do pros and cons for each generation, but you would do"},{"startTime":629.4,"endTime":634.64,"body":"my generation and I'll talk about yours with what we think are the pros and cons."},{"startTime":634.64,"endTime":636.8,"body":"So starting off, what you think are the..."},{"startTime":636.8,"endTime":642.28,"body":"Yeah, I think one thing that you and your brother have helped me do is, and we've worked"},{"startTime":642.28,"endTime":647.56,"body":"on this notion of privilege, flew all over me at one point in my life."},{"startTime":647.56,"endTime":653.0,"body":"up in a poor area, kids that were subjected to poverty and abuse."},{"startTime":653.0,"endTime":658.32,"body":"And I didn't, in my definition of privilege, I didn't necessarily see that."},{"startTime":658.32,"endTime":664.92,"body":"But because your generation is looking to 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scrimp."},{"startTime":752.16,"endTime":758.0,"body":"And in some instances defer their plans because they couldn't afford"},{"startTime":758.0,"endTime":759.6,"body":"to do what they were wanting to do."},{"startTime":759.6,"endTime":766.44,"body":"And so I think at least for you and your friends and Tay and his friends, I feel"},{"startTime":766.44,"endTime":770.42,"body":"like because my generation has worked so hard to make things better for you than we had it,"},{"startTime":770.42,"endTime":777.54,"body":"it's been too easy. It's come at no real cost to you and it needs to be yours. I don't want to"},{"startTime":777.54,"endTime":782.9,"body":"constantly provide for you. I do, but in the process, if that makes you weak and it makes you"},{"startTime":782.9,"endTime":787.94,"body":"unaware of the true cost of what it is you're doing, then I've almost done you a disservice."},{"startTime":787.94,"endTime":797.6,"body":"There's a lack of agency. You don't get to be excited about things and have like really high stakes."},{"startTime":797.6,"endTime":799.1,"body":"And is this going to be really great?"},{"startTime":799.1,"endTime":800.44,"body":"Is this decision going to be great?"},{"startTime":800.44,"endTime":801.94,"body":"Is this decision going to be terrible?"},{"startTime":801.94,"endTime":804.94,"body":"Because someone else is helping you with it, which is great."},{"startTime":804.94,"endTime":806.4,"body":"But I see what you're saying."},{"startTime":806.4,"endTime":811.32,"body":"There's a quote that says, hard times create good men and good men create good"},{"startTime":811.32,"endTime":814.1,"body":"times and good times create soft men."},{"startTime":814.1,"endTime":815.7,"body":"Soft men create hard times."},{"startTime":815.7,"endTime":820.44,"body":"And I see that generational cycle where in trying to right, even if they're"},{"startTime":820.44,"endTime":826.08,"body":"just perceived wrongs of my generation and of my rearing and I think my parents did the"},{"startTime":826.08,"endTime":827.08,"body":"same thing."},{"startTime":827.08,"endTime":829.98,"body":"They tried to give me a better experience than they had."},{"startTime":829.98,"endTime":834.68,"body":"In the process, I'm probably weaker in some ways than they were and in the process, you"},{"startTime":834.68,"endTime":839.68,"body":"and your brother may be weaker in some ways than I was and certainly than they were."},{"startTime":839.68,"endTime":843.28,"body":"My dad had to pay rent to live in his own home when he was 12 years old."},{"startTime":843.28,"endTime":845.38,"body":"The thought of that's abuse in my mind."},{"startTime":845.38,"endTime":850.94,"body":"So I believe wholeheartedly in providing for you and helping you pave the way."},{"startTime":850.94,"endTime":855.38,"body":"But there's a part of me that almost resents my decisions because I want you"},{"startTime":855.38,"endTime":859.74,"body":"to recognize it as you pursuing your dreams, not me paving the way for"},{"startTime":859.74,"endTime":861.06,"body":"you to do whatever it is you want."},{"startTime":861.06,"endTime":861.78,"body":"That's interesting."},{"startTime":861.78,"endTime":862.1,"body":"Right."},{"startTime":862.1,"endTime":864.3,"body":"So my pros and cons of Gen X."},{"startTime":864.3,"endTime":868.14,"body":"I think the pros like you've been talking about is just the insane work ethic."},{"startTime":868.14,"endTime":872.34,"body":"I think you said that's something that my generation is maybe trying to figure"},{"startTime":872.34,"endTime":876.34,"body":"out cause we're all in this age where we're starting to have really big"},{"startTime":876.34,"endTime":880.46,"body":"responsibilities and have a lot of that freedom and like responsibility."},{"startTime":880.46,"endTime":886.52,"body":"So I think in general, that's a really good example that Gen X is set of"},{"startTime":886.52,"endTime":894.64,"body":"working hard for not even for recognition just for in life because it's"},{"startTime":894.64,"endTime":899.92,"body":"what you should do and because you want maybe because you want things but like you said they're"},{"startTime":899.92,"endTime":905.36,"body":"the forgotten generation so like working hard even if people might not recognize your efforts or"},{"startTime":905.36,"endTime":909.92,"body":"working hard in the hopes that one day your efforts will be recognized. I think that's"},{"startTime":909.92,"endTime":917.6,"body":"really beautiful goal. I think that can also be a con. 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They expect things and now everybody's"},{"startTime":1182.96,"endTime":1188.56,"body":"got a camera. People are held accountable in a way that my generation never was. So people can't get"},{"startTime":1188.56,"endTime":1194.64,"body":"away with stuff that they could 20 years ago. I just always kept my mouth shut. Sure, I saw"},{"startTime":1194.64,"endTime":1200.56,"body":"injustice in a classroom. I saw things that shouldn't have happened go on in forts and in"},{"startTime":1200.56,"endTime":1204.64,"body":"school and all these other places, but I respected authority because they were"},{"startTime":1204.64,"endTime":1210.0,"body":"authority. I feel like your generation respects people once they've earned their respect. I don't"},{"startTime":1210.0,"endTime":1215.68,"body":"care what your title is. You show me that you're someone worth my respect and then maybe I'll give"},{"startTime":1215.68,"endTime":1222.4,"body":"it to you. No, I definitely agree. But I think my generation does it in a weird way. Like I was"},{"startTime":1222.4,"endTime":1228.72,"body":"looking ahead at some of the questions and I was making me think millennials are the generation who they don't trust authority and they'll"},{"startTime":1228.72,"endTime":1233.36,"body":"question them and they'll say that. I think my generation is non-confrontational like you said"},{"startTime":1233.36,"endTime":1237.92,"body":"like both were sandwiched between generations who fight to get their own way whereas the boomers"},{"startTime":1237.92,"endTime":1242.48,"body":"fight to get their way. Gen X is maybe I should get my way but they're teaching me that I can't"},{"startTime":1242.48,"endTime":1247.28,"body":"so I guess I won't and I'll just forget about it. 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I've never thought of it that way,"},{"startTime":1674.56,"endTime":1676.52,"body":"but I so do that."},{"startTime":1676.52,"endTime":1685.36,"body":"If a professor is giving me an assignment and I'm like why are we doing this I don't understand"},{"startTime":1685.36,"endTime":1690.24,"body":"I'll get it done and I'll turn it in on time but it's not gonna be my best work because I'm like"},{"startTime":1690.24,"endTime":1697.36,"body":"no this is stupid I oh my gosh I'm like having a crisis right now I like just did that the other"},{"startTime":1697.36,"endTime":1702.64,"body":"day and I was like I don't understand why we're doing this project and I I turned it in and got"},{"startTime":1702.64,"endTime":1705.88,"body":"it done but that's crazy."},{"startTime":1705.88,"endTime":1711.16,"body":"Which I think is important to some degree because if you're like, okay, I can clearly"},{"startTime":1711.16,"endTime":1714.16,"body":"see how this assignment is helping me for my 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our"},{"startTime":1839.3,"endTime":1845.96,"body":"differences and view anyone who's not of our generation as being this negative thing."},{"startTime":1845.96,"endTime":1855.6,"body":"And where we tear that down is I can't simultaneously think that all boomers are self-centered egomaniacs when"},{"startTime":1855.6,"endTime":1860.2,"body":"I've got great relationships with a half dozen people who are boomers who are none of those"},{"startTime":1860.2,"endTime":1862.0,"body":"things."},{"startTime":1862.0,"endTime":1866.8,"body":"And so stereotypes die in the face of evidence."},{"startTime":1866.8,"endTime":1877.0,"body":"And that's something that I've learned is if I just stay in my little bubble of like-minded bubble."},{"startTime":1877.0,"endTime":1883.0,"body":"It's easy and frankly lazy to decry the shortcomings in a younger generation's work ethic or effort"},{"startTime":1883.0,"endTime":1888.0,"body":"without recognizing that much of that is dependent upon how well I have explained things."},{"startTime":1888.0,"endTime":1892.0,"body":"That's exactly what this conversation has reminded me to do."},{"startTime":1892.0,"endTime":1896.0,"body":"My take-home for today is that it's unfair of me to hold my students to a standard"},{"startTime":1896.0,"endTime":1900.84,"body":"if I haven't first clearly articulated exactly what I expect first."},{"startTime":1900.84,"endTime":1906.88,"body":"As Brene Brown often says, clarity is kindness. What about you? What are you"},{"startTime":1906.88,"endTime":1910.48,"body":"working on or waiting for and what are you doing in the meantime to get better"},{"startTime":1910.48,"endTime":1915.04,"body":"every day? I'd love to hear about it. Surf on over to undonepodcast.com and"},{"startTime":1915.04,"endTime":1919.08,"body":"drop me a note. For more info on today's episode be sure to check it out on the"},{"startTime":1919.08,"endTime":1926.44,"body":"web. Simply go to undonepodcast.com backslash EP 72 to see the notes, links, and images related to"},{"startTime":1926.44,"endTime":1928.84,"body":"today's guest, Brendan Brooks."},{"startTime":1928.84,"endTime":1932.54,"body":"Coming up, I've got a number of guests lined up for season two, along with some exciting"},{"startTime":1932.54,"endTime":1934.56,"body":"changes that I think you'll love."},{"startTime":1934.56,"endTime":1935.56,"body":"So stay tuned."},{"startTime":1935.56,"endTime":1943.96,"body":"This and more coming up on Becoming Undone."},{"startTime":1943.96,"endTime":1947.8,"body":"Becoming Undone is a NitroHype Creative production written and produced by me, Toby Brooks."},{"startTime":1947.8,"endTime":1950.08,"body":"I'm always on the lookout for inspiring stories."},{"startTime":1950.08,"endTime":1955.04,"body":"So if you or someone you know has one to share, please contact me at undonepodcast.com."},{"startTime":1955.04,"endTime":1959.28,"body":"Follow the show at Becoming Undone Pod and me at Toby J Brooks on Facebook,"},{"startTime":1959.28,"endTime":1961.84,"body":"Instagram, X, LinkedIn, and TikTok."},{"startTime":1961.84,"endTime":1965.92,"body":"Subscribe and leave me a review on our podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio,"},{"startTime":1965.92,"endTime":1968.12,"body":"or wherever you get your podcasts. I would sincerely appreciate it. I'm Toby Brooks,"},{"startTime":1968.12,"endTime":1970.4,"body":"and this has been Word to the Third."},{"startTime":1970.4,"endTime":1972.0,"body":"Word to the Third!"},{"startTime":1972.0,"endTime":1973.0,"body":"Till next time, everybody."},{"startTime":1973.0,"endTime":1974.0,"body":"Bye!"},{"startTime":1974.0,"endTime":1976.0,"body":"You"}]}