Sarah-Gayle (00:00)
Hello, today we are going to talk about needs in marriage. So when you think of a need in general, I wonder, what do you think about? I know for me, I kind of clench my fist because it's like, I need this. think biologically, I think I need food, I need water. If I don't have these things, I will not survive. when it comes to marriage, what are some needs that you might have in your own marriage? Take a moment to think about that.

this is what we're going to be talking about. And I'll never forget when we were newly married, I went to this conference and this prominent pastor was talking about needs and I was taking notes and he's like, a man needs this. And he said, a woman needs this. And I thought it was interesting because you know, so many people are different, right? So I was like, wow, he could just generalize like that. So I thought it was interesting, but then fast forward.

we've been married over 20 years and we've been working with hundreds and hundreds of couples, I think there's more to this. And one of the things we do with our couples is we take them through scripture. And we look specifically at that portion of scripture in Ephesians, where it's talking about Christ and the church, but it uses that metaphor for marriage. as we look at that, I had a hard time reconciling this concept of needs when it comes to marriage.

Chad (01:15)
And so part of what we do is we look at this dynamic of needs and wants. a lot of what we do is framing context or conversations, hopefully in a way that helps a couple move towards each other. if you're listening to this and you've operated under that past, a husband needs this and a wife needs this and it's working for you, keep doing it. But if you have felt some frustration or some tension or a gap,

underneath this dynamic of needs and our prayer and hope is part of this conversation will encourage and equip and help you to understand how do you move towards each other on this topic and so one of the limitations that we've experienced and that we've seen in couples that we coached is this idea of needs becomes like law What it can do is it can position a husband and a wife into a transactional relationship Yeah, which almost becomes what I did this so you owe me

And some of the most common areas that couples bring up is for wives, it's emotional intimacy and for husbands, it's sexual intimacy. And so these two important things that help a relationship thrive become transactional against each other. And so the wife is like, well, I don't give him sex because he doesn't meet my emotional needs. And he's like, well, I don't feel connected because we're in a sexless marriage, right? And they both kind of plant their flag and they both feel justified.

in their decisions because their spouse isn't meeting their needs. this is the thing that I want you, as you're listening, to wrestle with. Are you finding yourselves in different areas feeling justified or entitled to something from your spouse? If that's the case, then it may be something around this dynamic of needs is creating a line in the sand or ultimatums on topics we can move towards each other without it.

And so that's part of what we want to do in today's conversation is say, hey, how do we talk about something like emotional intimacy? How do we talk about something like sexual intimacy and all the other topics that we can wrestle with, but in a way that is not transactional and not based on a debt debtor relationship in the context of our marriage.

Sarah-Gayle (03:25)
One of the things that can be helpful is if we look to God for our needs. So we give our needs to God, and then we look to our spouse to communicate our wants and our desires. And this is significant because we want to be assertive. We want to make sure, as much as it depends on us, if our spouse communicates what they're wanting, what they're desiring, let's do that. But at the same time, let's recognize that certain things, they're not even created to fulfill. There's a lot of things when it comes to needs, only God can fulfill certain needs. we want to go through

three areas when you're looking at that person I just feel like I need them to do this though I feel like I need this then I want you to first think about is it really a need doesn't really feel like one of those things that's urgent that it's like if I don't get this then this marriage isn't gonna work like doesn't feel that way because if it does

then I want you to pause and first of all, recognize that when we look at scripture, there is no transactional relationship.

We do what we do as onto the Lord. if there feels like, know, I just need them to do this or I'm going to do that and be justified or entitled to do that. Then we want to make sure, we redirect that need that we feel we have to God and then communicate our desires and our wants to our spouse? That's the first thing.

Chad (04:38)
on a practical level, going back to some of the examples of emotional intimacy or sexual intimacy, we've had a ton of husbands justify pornography use because they felt like their wife wasn't meeting their sexual needs. behind it, there was this justification. Yeah, I know I made a mistake, but she made the mistake first. Had she done her job.

Wouldn't have resorted to that right or for wives get caught up in an emotional affair at work because of that emotional gap between their husband and we get into this Justification. Well, he wasn't there for me. So I needed this almost like oxygen to survive So I went somewhere else. Yeah, and so this is what it sets us up for this justification of Breaking the bond and the connection in our marriages. And so as Sarah Gale is sharing like

Another alternative is take it to God. God meets our needs. And so it's that recognition of maybe in my own prayer and in my own faith, I'm wrestling with this dynamic of saying, hey, God, I need your help. I'm coming to you. I have these sexual desires. And currently for whatever reason, there's not the desired outlet, right? But I'm going to God for strength. I'm going to God for peace. I'm going to God for clarity. I'm looking to Him.

to sustain me. And this will actually strengthen my own individual faith. And typically whenever I go to God, I come back as a better version of myself. More patient, able to equip or to encourage or to sow, whatever it is, God will equip me for that season. The alternative is I go to other things in the world. I cope with things that make whatever situation that is hard, makes it worse. And it gets further away from us.

Sarah-Gayle (06:22)
I'm glad you mentioned that because it reminded me of a couple I was working with where the wife was going through different cancer treatments and the husband desired more intimacy, of course, and just wanted that physical connection, but she wasn't able to give it. And so what we're talking about is impacting real...

marriages because what we're seeing is couples will have these ultimatums. They'll have these needs that they're putting above the relationship. And remember, we're talking about connection here and how important connection is. And so when we lead with these needs, it doesn't leave room for the grace that different seasons require. And I like how you mentioned that and how you spoke to that as a male, because that is a big one in relationships is the sexual component. And sometimes if there's a chronic illness and that

not able to happen, what do you do? And this is where our faith becomes real, because this is where we look to the one who sustains us, who fills us, who in Philippians it says, who meets all of our needs according to the riches in Christ Jesus.

Chad (07:25)
that first part is give it to the Lord. The second part is this idea of sow it. And so there's so many biblical principles that work really well when we give them and just take on a totally different connotation when we demand them. It's great if I give grace. It feels different when I demand grace. It's great when I give kindness. It's different than when I demand kindness. And so there's so many areas in our marriage when working with couples where somebody

has this desire, this want. In the other context, this need for something. Well, when you demand it from your spouse, it changes the environment. But what if you sowed it? If you were looking for intimacy, what would it look like to sow some level of connection? If you were looking for appreciation, what would it look like to sow appreciation? It's thinking through that dynamic, and it really ties into, number one.

as we're spending time with God and he's putting something on our heart, we're then asking him for the strength and the courage and the vulnerability to then sow that thing into our marriage. And scripture has this principle over and over of sowing and reaping. And so for me, the process can look similar, but the heart posture really determines is this a transactional relationship or is this a natural reciprocal? When you're kind to somebody, oftentimes they're kind back.

Yeah, right when you're generous to somebody oftentimes they're generous back. It's not because necessarily they owe you It's just a reciprocal dynamic and so in our marriage we want to sew these things if you're processing through today some different needs ask yourself Did I take it to God and now what does it look like to sew it into my marriage?

Sarah-Gayle (09:09)
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good. It's a different spirit, right? It's a different feel of a relationship that is focused more on that connection and the heart posture of how am I pouring into my spouse rather than all these expectations entitlements of you better give me this because I need this I just love it and I want to add another dynamic which is Can you grow whatever it is in you?

that you feel like you're needing from your partner. Because of proximity, we oftentimes look at our partner and we want them to F-I-L-L, everything in us. We think that they're the savior, if you will. Whereas, you know, this guy's human. He is but a man, I am but a woman.

So we cannot meet those deep needs. Only God can do that. And we've already established that. And when we grow it, it is looking at the things in ourself that

our responsibility to grow, know, that I call an inside game. And for me, in our marriage, one of the things that I said all the time, and I'm sure you remember when it came to, I just need you to make me feel special and worthwhile worthy, all of that. I needed him to do that.

what I came to find is he would be amazing. He would say, I'm valuable, I'm special, I'm worthwhile, but guess what? It was never enough because deep down I didn't believe that I was. so deep down, it's not about Chad pouring that into me. It's about me knowing that about myself and developing that again, with the Lord. If I don't know that I know I'm already worthy, I'm already valuable and I need someone else to tell me.

then that's something that I want to make sure that I go to the Lord with and grow in with the Lord and read his word and know that I'm the apple of his eye and that he has a purpose and plan for me, that I'm far above rubies and pearls and all the value that he has spoken over me in his word. That's what I need to know because that's what's going to sustain me. He can sustain me for a moment, but like I said, it's never enough. So can we grow those areas of ourselves that we feel like, I need them to do this?

Chad (11:12)
In marriage we see this over and over. Two healthy individuals have a significantly better chance of making a healthier marriage. And so for men, a lot of the way this can look, if for women it's value and feeling special or feeling cherished, was another word to use a lot early in our marriage. I need to feel cherished. And for husbands, it can be respect or it can be am I capable? And I'm looking for my wife to elevate and lift me up.

And some of that comes from my own inside game. Like, do I not feel capable? And so now I'm shifting blame and I'm blaming her for not elevating or appreciating or respecting me. And so, so much of this is just an encouragement of how to redirect some of those needs in a way that can bring you closer together. when we're growing it, we are taking ownership and responsibility for our own health and our own wholeness. And the great thing is,

When we both show up whole, the marriage thrives, the marriage benefits from that. It's not like it's taking from the marriage. It's actually our ability to invest into it even more.

Sarah-Gayle (12:22)
All right, when it comes to needs, it's those three areas. If you feel like you're looking at this person and you have

a need, you're like, I need you to do this. First, take that need to the Lord. And then second, think about can you sow it? Can you start to pour out and be empowered and proactive to actually give the thing that you are wanting? And then the last thing is, can you grow it? Is it an inside game? Is there something in yourself that you can look to grow instead of looking at this person to fill that in you And I want to reiterate, We want to communicate.

our wants and our desires. That's crucial because we want to make sure we're doing that for each other. We're meeting each other's desires. We're meeting each other's wants as much as it depends on us.

what step can you grow in? I want you to focus on that, continue to grow, and they all lead back to one place. They all lead back as Christians, as far as of Christ, to God. And so I want to encourage you in that and know that we're cheering you on.