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The Making of a Trailblazer: Gayle Saunders on Faith, Firsts & Legacy

• Coach Tim Brown, Uncommon Life • Season 6 • Episode 11

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Coach Tim Brown sits down with business leader and PR powerhouse Gayle Saunders to explore how faith, family, and fierce preparation shaped her journey from a small Kentucky town to a thriving communications career. Gail shares powerful lessons on resilience, representation, and building a legacy that lifts others. Her message is clear: believe in yourself, stay prepared, and keep going—your legacy starts now. 

Gayle shares the quiet reality of breaking barriers as the first Black female news videographer in Columbus. Confidence came from preparation. Responsibility came from representation—capturing hard news while insisting on dignity for Black and brown communities.  That mindset later powered a leap into entrepreneurship. In 2014 she founded Saunders PR Group with a clear mission to elevate voices, build wealth, and open doors for creatives who rarely get a seat at the table. The hard-earned lesson: protect your business while you serve others—clear scopes, fair pricing, and boundaries are acts of stewardship.

Her message is clear: believe in yourself, stay prepared, and keep going—your legacy starts with you do next.  If this resonates, tap follow, share this episode with a friend who’s ready to lead, and leave a review so others can find the show. 

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to Be A Baller, where we're building a lifelong legacy for our families, communities, and the world. Your host, Coach Tim Brown, is excited for you to join him on this journey. On each episode, we'll be talking about how to be intentional about building a lasting legacy. We'll be exploring what it means to leave a mark that goes beyond just our lives, but has a positive impact on those around us and even generations to come. So if you're looking for inspiration, guidance, and practical tips on how to build a lasting legacy that makes a difference, then you're in the right place. So grab your earbuds, get comfortable, and let's dive in. It's time to be a baller.

SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to Be a Baller Podcast. I'm your host, Coach Tim Brown. And today I'm excited to have a conversation with Gail Saunders, a powerhouse in business, communications, and community leadership. From building one of the one of Central Ohio's premier PR agencies to coordinate major campaigns for President Obama to uh guiding boards and budgets over$150 million. Gail has truly spent her career leading with strategy, integrity, and impact. Today we'll talk about building a legacy in business, leadership, and community. Gail, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_04:

Tim, thank you so much. It is truly an honor to be with you today, and I'm so excited to uh share a few moments with you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I appreciate this. I've been looking forward to this conversation. I love that bright smile and all that. You make it, you're making me look good on here today.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, you know, I think you do that on your own, Mr. Tim.

SPEAKER_01:

Brother Tim, I think you did it on your own. So uh talking a little bit about growing up. You know, can you talk about uh growing up in in in Kentucky? Uh and and how uh how how you really uh your your faith and your values and some decisions were based on basically uh your principles from growing up. Can you talk about that experience?

SPEAKER_04:

Absolutely, uh Tim. Um again, let me just say thank you for having me on The A Baller and Living the Legacy. I really do uh admire all the work that you do. So I just want to start with that and uh thank you so much. Yes, I am a Kentucky girl. I grew up in a small town called North Middletown, Kentucky. If you blinked, you would miss it. We had only one stoplight. Um, but it was one of the um just a blessing for me. Uh had uh had seven siblings. So my mom and my dad um raised us to be uh very focused on community, certainly leaning on our faith. Um we had uh church right across the street from us, which is the church that my mom, she was the pianist there and the choir director there. And then right down the street uh was a Methodist church, which my father belonged to. And so we had to split our times going back and forth, but we we lived in the church and so uh grew up in CYF, always very engaged and involved. And so the values that uh we were raised with in terms of making sure that you are about excellence. Um my parents always had um, I don't know if you remember those black encyclopedias that um came out by Ebony, uh, which they make sure we had those, all of the jets, the ebony's, those magazines, uh we had them in our home. And so rich history about who we are, um, our history as black people uh was very, very strong in our family. And so we were reared with that, just being about excellence and representing family in a way that represents family positively, making sure that you uh understand your faith and your faith values and leaning on those even when times are tough, and also making sure that you are about family. And for us, family even meant the little the broader community. My mom and my dad, they were very engaged in community, very engaged in church, and they were hard workers. They raised seven of us on the salaries that they made. Um, my dad was a construction uh worker, had his own business, but I tell you, it back then it was not easy uh being your own entrepreneur. But he raised seven of us, sent us to college, and and just made sure that we had strong values from a giving perspective, from a loving perspective, from an integrity perspective, and from a community perspective. And so those are the values that uh have helped me along the way. I'll say that one of the songs that um sticks with me to this day is a song we sang in my mom's choir. And that was if I can uh help somebody as I pass along, you know the song to me. If I can help somebody uh with a word or song, if I can help somebody as I travel on, then my living will not be in vain. And that song, it just motivates me to always be about helping others, helping family, and helping community.

SPEAKER_01:

I see, I see where you got the communication deal from. I see it already. I see that already. But when did you realize that you had this gift, this gift of communication, of talking to people or whatnot? Or when did you realize you had that gift?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I I love writing. And so it in the eighth grade, I knew that I wanted to be a writer, but not a writer in terms of an author, a book writer uh like you. I may do that one day, but um in terms of a journalist. And so I was very involved in the high school publication and newspaper, and very involved in um just you know our English club, our communications club, our debate club. I was just very involved. And so I knew in the eighth grade that I wanted to do that. So I was very deliberate about the courses I chose. I worked very hard on um at that time, I am dating myself a little bit. We didn't have uh very many black role models on TV. Um Barbara Walters was the one. And so I uh knew that I wanted to be the first black journalist um to make it. But Oprah beat me to the punch. So she beat me to the punch. And so uh so I just knew that I wanted to write, I wanted to tell stories, and I really wanted to tell stories about us, the positiveness of who we are. That's really what I wanted to do. And so that's how I started my career. Uh, and I knew in the eighth grade that's what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01:

Can you talk about your college career that prepared you or prepared you for what you're doing? How was your college career? Were you involved in a lot of activities in college?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, college was one of the best times of my journey. Um, I just had great experience in college. And so I went to the University of Louisville. Um, one of the things that I also love cheerleading, dance, all those things I did uh since the fourth grade. Uh so I tried out for cheerleading at the University of Louisville, and I made cheerleading uh as a freshman. I was captain for three years, and so I had such a fabulous experience um traveling and the exposure that it offered me. And one of the things that it afforded me as well is, as I mentioned, I wanted to be a journalist. And so um Danny Crumb, bless his soul, he uh gave me an opportunity to be the reporter for a local radio station there, uh WLOU, the black station there, uh, that gave me an internship. And Danny Crumb allowed me to interview the players as part of my internship and just helped me propel my love for interviewing, my love for uh telling stories. Um, he gave me that opportunity, as did the uh general manager at WLOU. And so that kind of started me on my path from a career perspective uh in uh journalism, in uh media relations, and then I morphed into PR. But um my college career, I had a wonderful career. I pledged um the sorority, Alpha Kappa Alpha. I had made great friends, lifelong friends, um, was very academically strong as well. I always say that because I want people to know that you can do all those other things and you still have to get your academics, period, period, and period. And so I share that with young people. Enjoy your college career, take advantage of all you can, and you've got to make sure that you're performing academically as well. And as an athlete, you have to do that as well. And so I talk about that um with my son, his friends, and uh those young people who I mentor as well. So I had a I was very blessed, very, very blessed uh in my college career and um very proud of the uh legacy that I left there as well. And today I serve on the University of Louisville Athletic Association, uh, and so I'm very proud that I still am able to support my alma mater, uh, make differences in my at by being on the board there. And it's just such a gift for me to be able to um to be in that space right now.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, uh, you started your career in news as the first uh black female news videographer in Columbus. What did that mean to you then? And what does it mean now?

SPEAKER_04:

You know, at the time, it did not occur to me that I was the first black female. I just wanted to break into the industry. I was in uh Louisville at the time, so I was given the opportunity to come here, bigger market. So I just knew that I wanted to be the best that I could be, do the best that I could do, and tell stories. And so at the time, it didn't even occur to me that I was the first black female. I just was there doing my job, doing it well, uh, and making sure that I was highlighting stories that elevated black and brown people in a positive way. And I say this very intentionally, because no matter what position you're in, you can make a difference, no matter what position you're in. And so while I was a news videographer, we were responsible for capturing the video, capturing the people, capturing the story, and then we were responsible for editing the story. So I made sure when there was negative news, you had to you had to tell the negative news. But I always made sure that through the work that I was responsible for, that black and brown people showed up well. And so um, so at the time I didn't think about it. But then as I was um moving through my career, and people were kept telling me, Gail, do you realize you were the first? And then I trained, I encouraged other black women to go into that uh arena. And I remember Cena York who was at Channel 10, she um saw me out doing the, you know, the back then we had the heavy equipment and I was managing it. And she said, You do that? I said, Yes, I do, and you can too. And so a couple of years later, after she uh graduated, she became a news videographer at Channel 10. So I say that to say you never know how you're gonna impact someone when you show up in these spaces where you might be the only one, the first one. Um you you your responsibility is to make sure you're not the last or the only. So I take that responsibility to heart. And I I have always really worked hard to make sure that I am not the only or the last. You can be the first, but if you are the only one, then something you gotta you gotta check yourself. So that's how I so at first I was just doing a job that I love to do. And then as I understood the responsibility of it, as I matured in that role, I was in that role for 10 years, then that's when I understood the responsibility it was to make sure that uh I bring others along.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, thinking back in on that, uh, you've been the first in many rooms. You know, how do you navigate being a trailblazer while maintaining uh excellence and confidence?

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, damn. That's a question. That is a question. I'll I'll say that preparation is key in all things. If you prepare yourself, if you study, if you put in the work, then the confidence comes because you know your stuff. So that confidence comes. But even with knowing your stuff, things happen that are that you cannot explain, that are simply because you are a woman, simply because you are black, but you cannot let that be something that holds you back. And so faith, leaning in on the Lord or your God, what whatever your faith is, your relationship with the higher power is the thing that gets you through. And for me, for me, that is the thing that gets me through. And so I say that sometimes your confidence might take a hit for a moment. But when you get on your knees and you talk to the Lord and you know whose you are, and then you call on your ancestors. My parents are deceased, uh, but they are with me every single day. My siblings who uh have gone on before me, uh they instill in me, and those who are still with me just that grit that makes you get back up. And so you're gonna have some tough times, and and I still have them today, but it's the part about getting back up and knowing that you're okay, is what you know, you just put that one step in front of the other. And I'll tell you, Tim, um, you I you I just cannot um underscore enough the importance of leaning in onto others sometimes. Sometimes you just have to lean in on the Lord and you you gotta surround yourself with people who will tell you the truth, who will also support you and help lift you up. So you you know, you gotta have a tribe around you sometimes too that helps get you that helps you get back up as well. I had a an experience and now I'll share this with you, which I got shared very often, but this is what you do, Tim. You bring things out on people. And so yes, you do, you do. Early in my career, I had a very significant car uh crash. And it did a lot to my it mangled my face. I was just a millimeter more, I would not be here because it it really did impact my neck, my face. And so um that was a time when I was really focused on my career as a moving into a journalist. Um, but it it it it did something to my confidence. And um I had to find a way to get that back. And through the grace of God and through just knowing that the exterior is just that. It's the exterior, it's what's in you that really matters. Lean on that, and I say that to young people it's who you are, your character, your person, your being that really matters. Because all the other stuff is just exterior. It's just exterior. And so that um helped to mold me in a way that I had not expected it to mold me in, uh uh, Tim. So that's part of why I have the grit just to keep going today.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, all of us have a story, you know. You know, people see our glory, but they don't know the story, you know. They they see all this, but they don't know what, whoo! If it had not been for the Lord on my side, that's the truth.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, that's true.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, as we as we think about that, and you were sharing. Well, what who are some mentors who shape your commitment to public service, community, community, communication, and truth telling? Who are some of your mentors along the way?

SPEAKER_04:

Well, I of course I got a my mom and my dad. Mentors one and two. And everything that they did and they instilled in me by their example, helping others in the community, forgiving other people who may not have treated them well, but they still, when those people needed them, a shoulder, a shoulder. Uh taking in other people's children when um when there was some help needed. My parents' character. Even when it's hard, you got to stand on your character. Because we're not always going to make the best decision or the best decision, but you gotta stand on it and you gotta deal with the consequences. And so my parents are my mentors, and I've had so many others who have taught me along the way. My siblings, uh, I have an 88-year-old sister who um is just the most giving, loving person I know. Um, then my brother, who was an educator and did so much uh in his spacing community. My brother who served in Vietnam, who came back um with so many stories about that experience that strengthened him, but also strengthened us. They have made an indelible impact on me, who I am. My sister, uh Lillian, who is three years older than me, and the strength that she has uh fighting different illnesses, all of these have made an impact on me and are my mentors. And then those in career, I can name so many, Jean Harris, Donna James, who who I worked for and worked with. And as they were strong black women leading change wherever they were, I tell this story and I've told it to Donna and I'll tell it to you. Donna James, who was CEO of one of the business lines at Nationwide, one of the top, the top African-American period, while I was there. As she went through the halls of Nationwide as a CEO, she spoke to everyone that she encountered, but she did more than speak to them along the way. I watched her walk through the hallway and she would speak to the janitor. But she would not only speak, she'd ask about their kids, how they're doing. She knew them when other CEOs and other leaders in that organization did not do that. So she taught me by watching her that you can lead with passion and compassion and care about people as you are leading. So it's just various people along the way who have uh fed me, who have supported me, who have been just such blessings to me. And I could go on and on and name so many, but um, and there's men. My husband is um a person who that the how much he gives to community, it just amazes me. He gets up every day happy to serve. And so I just watch him and he energizes me as well. And then I'm gonna say one final person who uh has helped to shape me as a mom, and as as I have matured, and that is Jerry Saunders Jr. That young man pushes me in ways I didn't know I could be pushed, but it's all good. And so he has helped me to grow as a person, as a leader, but most importantly as a mom. And so um all those things. And then when I think about um my my pastor growing up, Mr. Butler, Mr. Butler um he taught us in Sunday school. He was our preacher, but he taught our the young people in Sunday school. Uh, the impact that he had on me um as a youngster and um just understanding that faith walk stays with me to this day. So I I paused there because I could go on and I could tear up to Tim, which I was I wasn't going to do today.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, after an already successful career, what inspired you to start your own PR firm in 2020, 2014?

SPEAKER_04:

I knew I always wanted to be an entrepreneur. It was in my blood, my dad. And so I knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. Um I thought quite candidly I would start it, I would have started earlier. But after um my um wonderful uh opportunity at the Ohio State University, and I was um leading media relations there um under Gordon Ghee, when he just when he retired, um I decided that if I don't start my business now, I'll I probably won't ever start it. So I decided to um lay my shingle uh then in 2014, and through the grace of God and some very um generous uh people who helped me when I first started, generous by giving me an opportunity. Um I haven't looked back. So I knew I wanted to do it. I had the courage to do it, and I'll say that the courage to do it in 2014, because I knew if I didn't try it then, I probably would have stayed, gone back to corporate America and would have stayed there uh until I retired. So that really is uh was the impetus for it. I knew if I didn't do it then, I would probably not do it because you get comfortable uh in corporate. Corporate um like you get the perks, you get all the things that come along with being a leader in an executive role at the corporate. You can get comfortable. So I knew if I went back to corporate, I probably would retire from there and I would never have started my business. So I had to try. I had to try.

SPEAKER_01:

You've done well, you've done well. You've done more than try. You've done well, you know. What's speaking of that, what's one lesson about entrepreneurship you learned the hard way, and now teach others?

SPEAKER_04:

I learned the hard way that you do have to protect your business. And so because we are I'm a person who operates with heart as well. Uh sometimes I have given away the store and help as I'm helping other people grow their business, because that's what I had done, um, very intentionally. Um sometimes you can give too much away. So help others. Our mission at the Saunders PR Group is to, of course, grow a business, leave a legacy for others, help a black and brown in particular, but all people um develop wealth and then also help other creatives grow their business. That's what we are here to do. In doing that, however, you also have to protect your business. And so I learned the hard way that I you've got to protect your business as you are helping others grow theirs. And so that's what I share with um other entrepreneurs. Do the work, help others, and as you're doing so, you still have to protect your business.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a good word. That's a great word. Because sometimes we we people think we have more than we have, so to speak. I know you could do this, I know you can support this, but and then we have to be strategic in what we do and what we support. Uh Gene Smith shared this on the show. He talked about being Ohio State. He tells uh fundraisers when you're talking to somebody, you have to find out what their heart is, you know. Some people may want to get a scholarship, some people may want their name on a building, you know, others may want to do that, but you got to find out what is that hot button of that person, you know. And it if what you're asking them is not in his wheelhouse, he's not gonna give to it. That's not gonna support it. He's not gonna support it. But if it's in their wheelhouse, you know, and I think in business we have to learn there's certain things, like for me, it's all about education, you know. If a kid needs some money for education, you know, I got you. If you need some money for this other stuff, I I don't know, you know, the sports equipment and all that. I got all that. But but when when you talk about education, count me in.

SPEAKER_02:

That's it.

SPEAKER_01:

I got you, because I know that's for me, that's what's gonna last. You know, that's gonna be the leg of helping people. I had a kid, uh, we made a commitment to for a young lady. Uh I spoke at Berwick, Burwick Middle School, eighth grade graduation. So I told I told that graduating class, if anybody gets all A's for four years, my wife and I will support you every every semester in college financially.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_01:

So I forgot all about this.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01:

This mother tracked me down.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, Mr.

SPEAKER_01:

Brown, remember that? Well, my daughter, she got all A's all four years at Eastmoor Academy. I mean straight A's. And she was going to North Carolina A and T, which is icing on the cake, so I get to support somebody in HBCU school.

SPEAKER_02:

HBCU, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So every m every semester, my wife and I supported her, and she had the nerve to keep going to get a master's. So we would still. But we didn't, we didn't miss, we didn't miss our dollar amount, you know. Isn't that beautiful? I know our commitment. So I say to say this, you know, for our dollars are about education, you know. If you talk about that, I'm in, you know. But we do have to, we have to have that to protect it. We have to protect it. I think our assets, our resources, you know, at the end of the day. You know, as we think about this is a legacy podcast. So we think about that word, uh, when you think about building a legacy, uh, what does that mean to you personally? What does that mean to you personally building a legacy?

SPEAKER_04:

Building a legacy personally means living your life in such a way that you have made an impact in some way. Now, impact can be a number of ways. Exposing young people to different things that opens their eyes to the possibilities of who they can become. And then, just as you did, following them along the way to help them reach that. It could be um in this space and being a communications uh leader and a PR professional, bringing other people along in my profession who may not have considered it. So I am very intentional about paying for my organization. Um, the professional organization for us is the Public Relations Society of America. I pay for black and brown creatives to join that organization as long as they make a commitment to um being a leadership role. I started, me and another colleague, I started the diversity and inclusion committee for that organization, and it still stands today. And then we identify people who can lead that by being on that board and then being a board member. So having to make sure that I'm bringing people along in leadership roles in the spaces that I'm in, that's leaving a legacy. Personally, leaking leaving a legacy from a character perspective. I want people to know that I did my best, did all I could, and I helped somebody along the way. That is leaving a legacy. And then from a professional perspective, from my business, I'm hoping that um once I'm gone, that that business continues in a way that helps to continue to hire all people, because we hire all people, but especially black and brown and women in the spaces that are sometimes very difficult for us to be in. And so um that's what I hope when I think about legacy. It's beyond the wealth legacy, it really is the human legacy aspect of leaving a legacy, making a mark, and uh having uh others who you've helped to build up in a way that they too will leave a legacy.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a good word. That's a good word. I think what you're sharing is how we have to be intentional.

SPEAKER_04:

Intentional.

SPEAKER_01:

We have to be intentional. And then the other thing that you're at a level now where you you're going beyond the mentorship piece now, and that's how Jordan Miller says that you're a sponsor now.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_01:

You're you're at the table, you're in the room now, you know, these boards, these committees. That's what I love about you, because you're on these boards, you're on these rooms, and you're a sponsor now. Give this child a chance, you know, give him an opportunity. You know, you're in the room now, you're in the room, and that that's the level that that you are now. And and I and I see because you you can just if you really thought thought back on your tree, all the people that you've helped along the way, you know, help help get in that room, you know, because you've been their sponsor that you say, hey, I'll I'll walk you through this thing. And the beauty of young people today is that they really do want to be successful, and they're just waiting on us, they're just waiting on us, you know, to talk about them, but talk to them, you know, just have a conversation with them. And then they're ready. They just they just need us to come alongside. And and and who better than you who can help them? The most important skill you can help with how to communicate. That's half the deal. I mean, that's that is the deal. That is the deal. It is the deal with good character and being able to present yourself in the right way. Oh, it's over. You know, it's over what you can do.

SPEAKER_04:

It really is, Tim. You said it there. I think sometimes, particularly in today's environment with texting and the not communicating completely and the way that uh sometimes we communicate um while we're on the phone, as particularly our young people, I help them understand that's fine to communicate with one another that way. But when you are in a showing up to do a job interview or when you are presenting yourself for your scholarship for your college, you have to present yourself in a way that demonstrates you can communicate. And so we used to do a training to for at high school level and helping young people communicate and present themselves uh in a way that, yeah, you can have fun with you know, with your friends and you can talk that way. But when you are around adults, when you're in a room, uh particular areas, you have to show up in a way that demonstrates that you are a strong communicator because that will make the difference between someone who has the same resume as you, same resume as you. But if you cannot communicate and articulate yourself in a way that builds trust and people have um some confidence in you, then you're not gonna make that that cut.

SPEAKER_01:

That's good. That's good. Spreaking as we come around the corner, this has been a great interview, and I've gotten so much wisdom myself, just uh, and and the stories. What what's one message you hope every listener takes from your story? What's one message that you want them to take from your story, hearing your story?

SPEAKER_04:

Believe in you. Believe in you. We may not always our journey can be winding, and it may not always be a straight line, but if you believe in you, that is the big part of the battle. So you have to believe in you, you are it. God has given you everything you need. He and God does not make any mistakes, so we're the ones who sometimes get in the way, but you've got to believe in you, even when it's hard, and we're not always going to be right, we're not always gonna make the best decision. Sometimes we're gonna fall down, but believe in yourself and get back up and put that foot back in front of the other and keep going. Keep going, keep going, believe in you.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a good word, believe in you. That's a that's a that's a mic drop. Believe in you. Oh, thank you. That's real. Thank you. I want to thank you for being on the show today. Um, and I want to I want to back up and thank you for that eighth grade self, you know. Oh uh making that making that commitment, recognizing the purpose that God has you here on this earth, you know, and following through with that. Well, when you shared about being a cheerleader, that just that just touched my heart because every time I look at these teams, wait a minute, I I know there's an African-American girl, but but now when you're on the team, you're the captain of the team. Uh Denny Crumb gave an opportunity in sports, you know, and you just and it was because of your character. It was truly because of your character that you even get these opportunities. And so I want to thank you for that. I really want to thank you. I'm just so excited hearing about your family. Oh mom, dad, seven brothers, sisters, and a beautiful job that they did. And here it is, right here. It's the proof right here. And then I watch your son, you know, how you and your husband are raising your son to be a manable young man, a personal young man who can truly communicate. Because I watched him through high school and just, you know, I I was around, I was watching him. He he never said much, you know. He was one of those kind of guys, you never see him out there patting his chest about what he was doing. Just a great team, young man, you know. And God's gonna honor him for that and the great job we did.

SPEAKER_04:

So I want to thank him lifted up in prayer. You know, our young people, we always gotta keep lifting up in prayer.

SPEAKER_01:

So thank you for that, Tim. But the training is there. The Bible says train up a child in the way they will go. We know they won't depart, you know, because you you and your husband know what's inside of him. You know, that's why we look at our three children. They may go astray a little bit here and there, but I know what's in them. That's right. I know the Lord's in them. That's right. I know. And anytime they're ready, come back to your senses. That's right. That's right. Foundation. But I want to encourage, thank you for leading with purpose, serving with excellence, and building a legacy that inspires the next generation. So I want to encourage the listeners. Uh, thanks for joining today's uh podcast. Uh, please subscribe to the channel and share with family and friends. Uh Be a Baller Podcast is available on all podcast streaming stations. So, Ms. Saunders, Ms. Gail, uh, thank you for being on the show. It's truly been a blessing having you as a guest on Be a Baller Podcast.

SPEAKER_04:

Tim, thank you. It has been an honor, a joy, and I just want to say thank you for all you do and have done over the course of your journey. Um, you just are we we we appreciate you.

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