Passing the Torch: Faith, Family & Legacy with Ralph Smithers Sr. & Jr

In this Father’s Month conversation we sit down with Ralph Smithers Sr., a trailblazer in Columbus, Ohio urban development and public service, and his son Ralph Smithers Jr., a leader focused on inclusion, belonging, and community impact. Together, we unpack “passing the torch” as more than a motivational phrase. It’s the discipline of telling the truth, working hard, keeping your faith strong, and being present enough that your kids actually know your heart.

We talk about the weight of carrying a family name, how parenting changes when the world changes, and why patience is a real leadership skill at home and at work. Ralph Sr. shares how God’s plan shaped career turns he never mapped out, and Ralph Jr. explains how he adapts the same core values for a new generation with different pressures and louder messages.

If you want faith-based leadership that’s practical, grounded, and honest, press play. Then share this with a father, mentor, or young leader, and subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s the one value you’re determined to pass on?

Transcript

Season Vision And Fatherhood Focus

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to season seven of Be a Baller, the podcast where success is a goal, legacy is. This season is all about a digital living, leading with purpose, serving with faith, and leaving a mark that outlives us. We go beyond the highlights, bringing you real conversations with legacy builders from ministry, business, sports, education, and community. Leaders committed to the wisdom pledge, paying it forward to the next generation. If you're ready for faith-filled leadership and practical wisdom to live on purpose and finish strong, let's be a baller, legacy style.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Welcome to Be a Baller Podcast, where we talk about faith, leadership, and how to win in life the right way. Today's episode is brought to you by First Merchant Bank helping you prosper. This month, this is Father's Month, and we're leaning into a something powerful: Pastor Torch Generational Legacy. Because real success is not just what we achieve, it's what we pass on to today, what we pass on. Today's conversation is special. We're joined by father and son, whose lives and leadership have helped shape the city of Columbus and beyond. Ralph Smithers Sr., a trailblazer in urban development and public service, who broke barriers as the first African American development director for the City of Columbus, and has spent decades pouring into community, leadership, and legacy. We're joined by a son who picked up that torch. Ralph Smithers Jr., a leader in inclusion, belonging, and community impact at in COBOBA Insurance, brings a heart for people and passion for building environments where others can thrive. This conversation today is to be a masterclass on what it means to build something that outlives you. So let's get started, gentlemen. Let's do it. Welcome, welcome to Be a Baller Podcast. I'm sitting here with two real ballers. Great to be here. Yeah, two real ballers. Well, as

What Passing The Torch Really Means

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as we talk about uh this whole uh idea came about when I began thinking about how we have to pass that torch to the next generation. And particularly we as men, we can't drop the baton. We have to make sure we get it to the next generation, and then and then we we can begin building that generational legacy. So the first question for for both of you guys, when you hear the phrase pass the torch, what does that mean to you personally?

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Well, passing the torch is gonna involve taking those things that you were taught as a youngster, the things that came from your dad or your grandparents, and even beyond that, and being able to hold, nourish that, uh, expand upon it, and move forward in a positive way.

SPEAKER_05 2:46

Yeah, it's hard to follow that, but you know, and and track the most important thing is to pass the torch and not drop it, because if you drop it, you're disqualified. So there's a lot of responsibility that goes along with that. So I think it's not only important to make sure you're in the right lane to call the person to receive it, but also if you're receiving the the torch or the baton uh to be able to do it, not drop it on the ground and either go win the race or or stay in the race.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

That's good. That's good.

Legacy Beyond Titles And Monuments

SPEAKER_01 3:20

Uh brother Smithers, Sr. What does a meaningful legacy look like beyond all these titles and accomplishments? Because you've accomplished a lot in your lifetime. What what what does uh a meaningful legacy look like?

SPEAKER_04 3:31

Well, I you know I've read a lot of different definitions to what legacy is all what the word legacy means. And I know to me it might mean a little different than it does from somebody else. I think I mentioned to you that a lot of people consider whatever they find in their obituary is their legacy, uh, or whatever they find in their resume is their legacy, but uh I don't equate the two. Uh for instance, when you talk with me, you know, I've got a resume, but I don't consider the resume uh uh really my legacy, something that I did, but my life and what I leave behind, what people think about me uh when I'm gone, uh to me that's the legacy. Uh what I passed on to my kids, what I gathered from my parents and my parents before the parents before them. Uh to me, that's uh that's what establishes your legacy as a person, not as uh what jobs you held or what you did in your life. A lot of people will consider legacy, you know, there's one person now in the national news that wants to build monuments. Uh a monument is a monument, that's not a legacy. Uh the family would talk about the legacy in private, uh, but the legacy of those physical things are not necessarily what uh I consider to be part of a true legacy.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Brother Ralph, when you think about your dad and the things he's accomplished and awards and titles, what give give me some insight on that, on what what that legacy of your dad really means.

SPEAKER_05 4:56

Well, uh the first thing is it's huge, huge shoes to follow. Um and in a lot of respects, you know, if I wanted to look at it uh a certain way, it could be uh pressure. Um you know, we're we're we're not in competition or anything like that. But I guess, you know, when I think about legacy, I just think, wow, you know, I can't mess this up. I gotta make sure that uh, you know, especially since we share a name, you know, I can't I can't mess it up. I've got to be accountable uh because you know, I could easily destroy his legacy, you know, and and doing the wrong thing. So it there is pressure involved, but it also is uh something that creates a lot of motivation to, you know, really, really keep

A Career Shaped By God’s Detours

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things going and you know, just try to do the best I can at whatever I'm called to do.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Uh as a pioneer in your field, what were some defining moments that shape your leadership journey?

SPEAKER_04 5:58

Well, first I should say this. Um my field was not one that I planned. Uh it just happened. Uh I started out, uh, my dad was in construction. He was a laborer, he laid um, did plaster in, did concrete work. Uh so I wanted to go into something that was uh had to do with building. So quite frankly, I went to the downtown YMCA, spoke to a guy by the name of Nelson Newsom, uh, Claude Willis. These were guys that gave young guys like myself a little directions to where we might go if we planned to go to college. Well, when I went to college, my brother was a year ahead of me. He was in, he decided to be a civil engineer. So I, well, I may as well go into civil engineering too. Well, it took two years before me to come to the decision that wasn't really what I was uh cut out to be. But the architecture was in the uh engineering college, and it was quite frankly easier to transfer from civil engineering over to architecture, and I did that. Uh and then quite frankly, I couldn't find a job in an architect's office. Uh my idols were a guy by the name of Syl Angel, architect here in Columbus. Um he uh and I talked a lot about the profession. I went to his office to get a job and he said, Ralph, I can't afford you. Well, at any rate, uh I after enrolling in the school, I couldn't find a job. I ended up uh working at Kroger Greenway in Mount Vernon Avenue. Uh the um person out there, the manager, had tried to get me to drop out of school and to go into Kroger Management. I didn't do that. Stayed in architecture, got a job as a student assistant in the School of Architecture, knew nothing about city planning. But one of the professors came around, you know, in the summertime it was just me and the professors in the building. So one of the professors came around, I'm looking at literature, and he's I had asked him some questions about uh about city planning. He said, Well, go down and talk to this guy by the name of Harold Buchanan. He'll give you some insights as what city planning is all about. Only to find out what planning was, I scheduled an appointment to see Harold Buchanan. And after the interview, after he discussed what planning was all about, he said, Do you want a job? I didn't go down there to get a job. I went down there to find what the what the profession was all about. Well, to make a long story short, I took the job and things went on from there. That's why I like to say that almost every decision in my life was not necessarily something that I had planned. It was God's decision, not mine. That's how I got in the profession. Uh graduated in architecture, couldn't find a job in city planning, but I stayed where I was and was able to move up uh uh through the ranks at the Department of Development at that time, and uh got a lot of experience again, things I had not planned, it just it just happened. God's plan, not mine.

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You know, Ralph Sr.

Faith First And Family First

SPEAKER_01 8:55

Um, what did you intentionally want to pass down to your children that couldn't be found in the classroom?

SPEAKER_04 9:01

Well, this will go back to faith. Uh work hard, uh keep your nose clean. Uh we I was raised in Mount Vernon AME Church, spent the first 21 years of my life there, then after I got married and went to St. Paul. Uh I hope the kids continue in the in the line of faith. Uh I took a course in in religion in High State amongst the planning and engineering courses. Uh, and uh one of the questions on the final exam was, can you prove the existence of God? My answer was no, it all comes through faith. Uh I ended up getting an A on that, didn't do so well during the quarter, but I got an A on that on the final exam. So, you know, those are the kind of things that uh I want to really instill in the kids so that they can uh understand what faith is all about, work hard and uh don't be discouraged.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

You know, speaking of that, uh being involved in uh having a career, community leadership, uh how did you balance that and being present to be present as a father, balancing all those things?

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Balance with my regular job, career. Well, uh the the family life always came first. So there wasn't much of a balance. I never worried about that. My concern was always the family. One other story I've got to tell you how your career and your life is not always when I started to a house eight, uh we all go up there for orientation. The very first day in orientation, there was a young lady that was standing in front of me. Very first person I met. We got serious, we started dating. Uh after we dated a while, we started talking about family. And it turned out that her family and my family grew up together in Renville, Ohio. Uh that's more than a coincidence that something like that would happen. That you end up marrying somebody that your parents knew, but you had no idea they were even even around. But that that shows that you know you have to at some time say that your life is in somebody else's hands, not not yours.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Uh lastly, uh for this section section, looking back, what makes you the most proud, not professionally, but personally as a father?

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Well, three kids that are kept in mind the things I hope I ingrained in them, that is uh keep your nose clean, work hard. Uh three kids, two in business, one in early childhood development, all three doing well. I've got five grandkids now. Uh they're on a good path to do well also. Uh again, I just want to make certain that uh they not only know what their dad and their granddad did, but they uh know what else happened in their family to get them to where they are. And we talked about the the family pictures that I have here. And what to me, you know, you have to understand that as we look at the family tree, if you take one of the persons out four four or five generations ago, it changes everything. So from my standpoint, you do a good job, you pass that on to your kids, and hope they can pass that on to their kids and so on. So that that that's legacy to me. When you got this entire family history knowing that each one of them is contributing to you, and you're contributing to all those that you didn't have us in here dropping the mic already.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

We just getting started.

When A Kid Sees The Impact

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Uh Rap Jr. Growing up, when did you first realize the impact of your father's work and leadership?

SPEAKER_05 12:43

That's a great, a great question because uh, you know, when when I was in the house and my dad was working, I didn't really have any idea uh what he was doing. It was very abstract. Uh the the biggest thing I remember from uh my my my childhood watching watching my dad was he was never home on Monday nights. And you know, what what's going on? He was down at the city council meeting because if you're um the city planner, you have to, you know, get through get all the rezonings and all that, you know, through. So, but I still didn't understand any of it. And it, you know, and I also, and this is kind of funny, he uh I always thought that he talked differently. You know, he had a different, you know, his speaking voice was always a lot dramatically different than he was you know doing this public speaking versus how it was in the house. I thought that was kind of strange. And um, you know, it really, you know, I probably really had to come into my adult sensibilities to really fully understand that, because obviously from that point of view, I'm dealing with a very limited set of data and limited set of information. But, you know, I noticed that, you know, as as things went along and some of the experiences and opportunities I had, you know, growing up, some of the places we we got to go when you're um, you know, when you're you know, we either working for the city of Columbus or Chamber of Commerce, you know, sometimes you get a good seat somewhere or you get into one place, you know, do a perk that you didn't even know existed. There were some perks. And um, you know, that's how when it really started to kick in. And then even now, uh, some of the things that I'm involved with cross into some of the lanes uh that my dad, we had different career paths, different industries, but I I cross into some of the lanes that he he was in, and I have people ask me about them, and then that's when it really starts to hit. So it's been an evolution.

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You

Leading With Open-Minded Values

SPEAKER_01 14:50

know, uh, Rav Jean, what are some values your father model that you now carry into your leadership at NCOBA?

SPEAKER_05 14:57

That's a great uh the all of your questions are great, and I have to make sure I don't keep repeating that every time because I just love uh the insight in your questions. But I I think that um first one is just common sense. You know, I mean common sense isn't common, but you know, just the ability to listen, um, to not carry a predetermined outcome into any, you know, keep an open mind. Uh that that's one thing I appreciate the most about my upbringing is just that I believe I was raised to have an open mind and think for myself. And and you know, a lot of times when you come into different situations, people bring biases in to conversations that undermine their ability to get to a really true, genuine best uh solution. So I think uh, you know, keeping an open mind, uh being compassionate, uh learning how to ask questions, uh part of avoiding prejudgment is not to be quick to anger, uh to you know, give give people room to to to to speak and to be heard, and I could go on and on, but those are the ones that are top of mind.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

You know, uh speaking of that, in what ways are you building on the foundation that your dad laid and where are you called to lead differently? Because sometimes he he had a path, you know, but there's a foundation that was laid.

SPEAKER_05 16:24

Yeah, and I'll tell you, it's an incredible legacy, and it's a a lot of, it's a it's a it could be a big weight in in a lot of respects. So to answer your question with respect to how things are different, um when I grew up, I think a lot of the the lessons that I learned and were were taught were not just exclusively in our household. Um I think I had all of my first cousins either in Columbus or not too far from Columbus. They were all accessible, and even to the point when I started at Ohio State, I think I had at least five cousins that were there with me that I would see on a daily basis. So it was like a family reunion all the time. So I had my grandparents around, had my cousins, had my aunts and uncles. So those lessons were you know reinforced, and I was able to kind of learn from that extended family as much as I was just from our household. Uh, where it's different is um I think I did a count because I I of how many um first or uh first cousins once removed. I mean, it's over 10. Uh where it's different is my kids don't have that. Uh they have two younger cousins that have always lived out of state that are significantly younger, you know, maybe 10 or 15 years younger. Um they have a few cousins that are on the opposite end of town uh from where you are. And and actually one, uh my my sons, my twins have a cousin that is their age, but uh they're you know, their other cousins older, so they didn't have as large of a family uh unit to connect, and as as my uh dad referenced, um both sides of our family are from the same part of the world, so our families really got along well, and um and as such, you know, it you know, my cousins on my mom's side are just as you know, they they're they're just as close as my cousins on my dad's side. I mean, we all know each other, so that's that's the biggest difference. So my kids have had to lean into more of their, you know, more of their closest, longest friends or um kids that you know they went to school with or played ball with or what have you. And uh the you know, obviously when that happens, I think we learn a lot from the people around us. So it's a little bit different. It's a little different to get that message out. And um, you know, perhaps uh some of the other things that are that are different, you know, with social media and access to information. Um, you know, there's you know, I can do all that I can do as a parent, but I can't always compete with all the other messages out there. So we just have to adapt and and uh just do the best we can to help them get where we want them to be. And you know, so far they're they're they're doing that.

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Uh

Parenting In A Different World

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finally, uh Rap Jr. Now that you're a dad, you know, what does what does it mean to you to pass the torch?

SPEAKER_05 19:40

Well, again, it's a huge responsibility uh to pass a torch. And you know what it means to me is is that you know, in the same thing that I spoke about earlier, you know, it's when if you're in track and you have the baton, you know, you have to do your right things to get the baton to the next person, and that's been accomplished. Now it's my turn. And uh, you know, the goal is to you know, obviously not drop the baton. Uh you want to not be the the part of the leg that loses the race. You know, you want to make sure that uh, you know, in a in a track scenario, when you pass the baton, both teammates are running at full speed, so you have to achieve that. And then you have to adapt the um circumstances to the present environment, which is different. Um, although I will say that you know, I did have a chance to coach my my sons particularly uh when they were young football players. And one thing I learned about that experience is regardless of the generation, they're still human and they still want to be heard. Uh they they appreciate uh coaching and direction if they know that it comes from a place of uh of concern for their well-being, and they like to win. And if we can all kind of you know be on sync with that, I might have to communicate it and act in a different way than what was presented to me. But good Lord willing, the stories still being written, we'll be successful.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

If I can tack on it, I've got one one comment. Things have changed so much between his generation, even my generation. A lot of our family being together, you know, we went to church together, we picnicked together, we had reunions together, went to Renville together, things like that. Uh the society today is open, it wasn't open then. So we had to do things, being people of color, that didn't allow us to to mix like is available today. You know, one grandkids, now I got three of the grandkids or two grandkids live out of out of Columbus, uh, moving around. One of them moves around quite a bit with the dad. Well, that opportunity simply was not there during during my generation. Even moving around in the city of Columbus was not that easy. Um during my time. But so things have changed. Uh you know, as I hear Ralph Jr. talk, passing the b the baton, you may pass it on to somebody that has been brought up with us in a certain way, but through no fault of their own, they might drop the baton. But I think we have to understand why that might happen and still deal with that person to to get them back uh on the on the track.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Ralph Sr. Can

Truth-Telling And Lasting Foundations

SPEAKER_01 22:30

can you share a moment when your relationship when your relationship shifted from father son to mutual respect as men and leaders. When when did that happen? Yeah, when did that happen? It's still happening. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:43

Well you know first with two sons and one daughter uh they have gone in different directions. Their personalities have always been different. You know Ralph has always been outgoing Ralph Jr. has always been outgoing uh whereas the other two might be more to themselves. The daughter kind of took after their mother she's a teacher now in Wyland Park here in Columbus. The other son is uh I call him the wanderer you know he uh he's in marketing he follows the he follows his career uh my interest during my day was not necessarily to follow the career but to try to stay in Columbus when I left the city of Columbus I had some good job opportunities outside of Columbus but I remember telling somebody I think I'd rather be a bus driver in Columbus than be another development director in Hanford Connecticut or someplace like that. So things have changed.

SPEAKER_01 23:36

You know when you think about those conversations that you guys have had and and what are some of those you wish more families had about legacy responsibility and faith repeat that again please you know some of those conversations that you guys have had in your family what are some of those things you wish more families would have about legacy responsibility and faith well faith is the top of the list of course and you can understand the things are different.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

You know uh in school from a faith standpoint I think in our fraternity we visited different churches, different denominations. I've been everything from the storefront church to the big cathedrals in Chicago but uh uh your your faith really shapes where you are where you might go uh you you're taught not to lie you're taught not to do all the things that uh uh are easy if you uh are not around people that don't tell the truth or or or or or make up stories or whatever it might be. So you know I think that the the key to everything is faith.

SPEAKER_01 24:44

Ref Jr. as um as dad shares about faith how has faith played a role in shaping your decision well there's absolutely no doubt that every time a decision I'm confronted with a decision I have to not only think about faith but I also have to think about not disappointing my parents and you just never know what kind of situation you're gonna run into.

SPEAKER_05 25:09

And you know when you know when I was in college I was a commuter student so that always kept me honest because I had to come home every night. Came home most nights and maybe too I didn't show up but you know I think that uh that's just part of that accountability uh with um not wanting to disappoint understanding the difference between right and wrong and then just trying to do your best to make the right decision whenever and be careful about making decisions and think about things.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

I recall my parents telling me you always tell the truth. If you tell the truth you don't have to try to remember what you said because it's the same thing over and over again you tell the truth. I remember during the press conference when I was appointed development director for Columbus uh one of the newspaper reporters asked me a question and I told them that I will never tell them a lie never tell them a lie. I may not tell them everything I know but I will not I will not lie to them. And I think you know one should let that be the case in every instance regardless of your circumstances as you regardless of who you're talking about speaking of that uh Ralph Sr.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

W what does it look like to build something that lasts beyond your lifetime? What does that look like?

SPEAKER_04 26:26

Well there's one I'm setting across the table and and then three three kids you know that's three of the grandkids that will come you know I've got the family tree laid out on the table over here. There are hundreds of names on there and if you start at the top that person never had in mind that all of those names would be a result of their interactions their marriage how they raise their kids but I think that uh that's the main thing you know really understand how you fit in the in the scheme of things you're just one little point. My legacy is going to be what Ralph does Ralph Jr. does what his kids do what his grandkids do because I know one thing in my mind if it were not for me and my wife they wouldn't be here and then they wouldn't be there to make the

Encouragement For Fathers Who Feel Behind

SPEAKER_04 27:10

decisions that they make. So that's a legacy to me.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Rap Jones we think about legacy in the world today how can men today be more intentional about leaving a legacy regardless of their platform or resources?

SPEAKER_05 27:26

Yeah that what the first thought that comes to mind is to be present and um you know just let you know I I my kids know that I'm gonna be there for them. If something comes up you know they they actually tell me everything and sometimes I say hey I I don't need to know everything. But sometimes they tell me more than I want to know sometimes. But I think that that hopefully is just an outcome of them knowing that we love them that we have high expectations but you know we understand things aren't always going to be perfect. The biggest lesson that I learned as a patient as a parent besides time management especially with with twins is patience. I am much more patient than I used to be and and I know uh just being patient with your kids to not um put unreasonable expectations on them knowing that hey they're going to find their own their own way and and and you're gonna be there to support them and you know if they they slip or whatever you're you're there to help pick them up and and and not make them feel worse but um give them confidence give them the best you know direction that you can and of course you know we all um if it were possible just to download all the critical information we would never make mistakes we would never have any issues we have to go out and learn things for ourselves so I do uh give my kids latitude to learn things on their own and and also to maintain an open mind. You know we mentioned that earlier um you know keeping an open mind and being able to make up your own decisions about certain things I think is important because otherwise you're just um well you you can just end up cloning uh what you saw uh and sometimes the reproduct the reproduction isn't based on genuine uh belief and understanding yeah this is uh well you guys have been great I'm glad I got you two together at this table you know uh as we come around the corner uh this is a uh series about fatherhood it's about fatherhood and passing that torch so uh uh Ralph Junior Ralph Sr.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

We'll start with you what would you say to a father who feels like he's behind or hasn't gotten it right yet what words of encouragement would you give to that father? By not having it right with fair offspring?

SPEAKER_04 30:01

Yes, yes well there's only one thing that's final in life is and that's death. So you always have an opportunity to to change to make a difference when you make a mistake you don't need to be embarrassed if you have to go back clean up as a result of that mistake.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

I got you you know I should be prayed up and I got you uh and I got you. Rap Jr. Well what's your thought on that what what would you say to a father?

SPEAKER_05 30:44

So the first thing about parenthood that I have come to understand is that we're like doctors. We're always practicing. No one has all the right answers doctors practice medicine parents practice parenthood and you practice to try to get better. So uh the first thing is to say hey we do not always have it right you know sometimes the stars just line up in a certain way um so you're never behind as long as you look at it as practice and you keep yourself in a position uh where you can get better but I think the other part is unconditional love because you know if if if there's love there um you're always going to end up at the right place and and you know love shows up by you know showing up for your for your kids um give them the the best insight that you can uh based on your understanding as much as you're able to expose them uh to experiences but it all comes down to love in my opinion because if the if the if your your your children know that you love them then they're not gonna give up we know that love covers a multitude of sins you know and as I'm sitting across from two men who I who I know have that genuine love for each other you know not perfect not perfect men but but we know we serve a perfect God you know we can know we can always count on that good book you know to bring us back

Challenge To Share And Build Legacy

SPEAKER_05 32:10

as I sit across from you guys I think about the scriptures says train up a child in the way they should go knowing they oh they won't depart you know and as we look at the legacy and what we what we built but really what God has built you know through this family.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

So this has been one of the one of those conversations that reminds you legacy isn't accidental it's intentional. It's built in everyday moments the values you live out and the people you choose to invest in. To Ralph Smith Sr. and Jr. thank you for showing us what it looks like to not just build success but to pass it on with purpose with a plan to everyone listening here's the challenge don't just chase success build something that outlives you pass the torch. If this episode added value to you make sure you share it with someone who needs it especially a father mentor or young leader. This is the Be a Baller Podcast and we look forward to being on we for we look forward to you listening to us next time Rap Jr. Raph Sr. Raph Sr.

SPEAKER_05 33:16

Raph Jr this has been a blessing to me and thank you all for being on the show and thank you thank you thoroughly enjoyed it and what an honor to be with great men.

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