WEBVTT 00:00:03.665 --> 00:00:07.793 Welcome to the Meet Hope podcast, where we have conversations about faith and hope. 00:00:07.793 --> 00:00:14.503 Hope is one church made of people living out their faith through two expressions in person and online. 00:00:14.503 --> 00:00:21.545 We believe a hybrid faith experience can lead to a growing influence in our community and our world for the sake of others. 00:00:21.545 --> 00:00:23.760 Welcome to Hope. 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.929 Welcome back everyone to another episode of the Meet Hope podcast. 00:00:34.929 --> 00:00:38.930 My name is Andrew Barber and I am your host today. 00:00:38.930 --> 00:00:40.183 And today we have a guest. 00:00:40.183 --> 00:00:41.387 We have Libby Baumann with us. 00:00:41.387 --> 00:00:42.865 Libby, thanks so much for hanging out. 00:00:43.420 --> 00:00:44.164 I'm glad to be here. 00:00:45.081 --> 00:00:48.649 Well, before we get started, why don't you just talk a little bit about yourself for the others of you? 00:00:48.649 --> 00:00:50.064 She is in the worship team. 00:00:50.064 --> 00:00:53.027 She is a fantastic bass player. 00:00:53.027 --> 00:00:54.691 She plays piano, she plays guitar. 00:00:54.691 --> 00:00:56.182 She's kind of like the. 00:00:56.182 --> 00:00:59.228 I'm pretty sure if I said, hey, libby, would you play drums next week, you'd figure it out. 00:00:59.427 --> 00:01:01.030 Oh, yeah, yeah, between now and then. 00:01:02.564 --> 00:01:03.700 Yeah, that is you too, Tibby. 00:01:03.700 --> 00:01:06.890 Just tell us a little bit about yourself, a little bit about your family. 00:01:06.890 --> 00:01:09.528 Just give us a synopsis real quick. 00:01:10.742 --> 00:01:12.484 Okay, I'm married to Jim. 00:01:12.484 --> 00:01:14.225 We met in architecture school. 00:01:14.225 --> 00:01:16.186 We have three sons who were grown up. 00:01:16.186 --> 00:01:28.423 They brought three delightful women into our lives and I started as an architect with the federal agency that takes care of federal buildings the government's landlord. 00:01:28.743 --> 00:01:31.471 So no joke, that's serious work, oh no it's serious work. 00:01:31.799 --> 00:01:32.924 I worked there for 40 years. 00:01:32.924 --> 00:01:34.906 As you know, I retired. 00:01:34.906 --> 00:01:36.546 Yes, that was going to say that. 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:38.061 That was the. 00:01:38.061 --> 00:01:41.150 I felt like there was a countdown clock in the worship area it was. 00:01:41.680 --> 00:01:44.688 I had one on my phone for a long time. 00:01:45.700 --> 00:01:47.908 And then so when did you start at Hope? 00:01:47.908 --> 00:01:49.144 Like, how long have you been here? 00:01:49.144 --> 00:01:49.700 Yeah, where? 00:01:49.700 --> 00:01:50.201 What was your? 00:01:50.201 --> 00:01:50.804 What's your hope? 00:01:50.804 --> 00:01:51.766 Origin story. 00:01:52.688 --> 00:02:01.606 Let's see, we came the first time to see Tony Campo, a special speaker, speak, and we came back a couple of years later. 00:02:01.606 --> 00:02:06.411 So, like 25 years ago, we've been here Basically just yesterday. 00:02:06.411 --> 00:02:08.626 Yeah, just a day before yeah. 00:02:09.407 --> 00:02:10.150 Oh, that's very cool. 00:02:10.150 --> 00:02:13.768 Yeah, like we said, you play music when. 00:02:13.768 --> 00:02:15.771 When did music start for you? 00:02:15.771 --> 00:02:17.144 When did you start playing music? 00:02:18.580 --> 00:02:19.865 My father was a pastor. 00:02:19.865 --> 00:02:28.270 He had been in one too many churches where there was no piano player, so he swore that his daughters would learn to play. 00:02:28.270 --> 00:02:32.169 And I started piano when I was eight. 00:02:32.169 --> 00:02:37.989 I was smitten and I still play, and yeah. 00:02:38.349 --> 00:02:39.151 Nice Been great. 00:02:39.151 --> 00:02:40.274 That's cool. 00:02:40.274 --> 00:02:47.173 So I always, I always am curious to know who was like the influence of the part of how you started to play music. 00:02:47.173 --> 00:02:48.719 It sounds like it's your dad. 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:52.305 Were there any other people that kind of kept you going along the way? 00:02:52.305 --> 00:02:53.741 Are you like right from the back, Just like? 00:02:53.741 --> 00:02:54.885 Nope, I'm, I'm all in. 00:02:55.419 --> 00:02:56.485 Yeah, I was all in. 00:02:57.320 --> 00:02:58.104 And you have a good teacher. 00:02:58.605 --> 00:02:58.967 I did. 00:02:58.967 --> 00:03:01.026 Uh, I had Mrs Bolton. 00:03:01.931 --> 00:03:04.769 Mm, hmm, and she's still out there in the world somewhere yeah. 00:03:04.769 --> 00:03:09.850 And then, how did you get involved with worship music at the church? 00:03:09.850 --> 00:03:11.485 I mean you, yeah. 00:03:11.485 --> 00:03:12.108 How did that happen? 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:16.710 Um well, I started playing some other instruments. 00:03:17.491 --> 00:03:19.747 You play a bunch I've, or you and I know you have a bunch. 00:03:19.747 --> 00:03:20.322 Do you have a? 00:03:20.322 --> 00:03:22.489 Can you list off your instruments that you have? 00:03:22.741 --> 00:03:23.564 I certainly can. 00:03:23.564 --> 00:03:31.813 I have a mandolin, a banjo, a riquento, which is a classical guitar, small soprano. 00:03:31.813 --> 00:03:38.270 Um, I have a dulcimer and I played the church organ at some other churches. 00:03:38.350 --> 00:03:39.092 That's crazy. 00:03:39.332 --> 00:03:39.614 Yeah. 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:42.649 Church organ scares me with the feet and the hands. 00:03:42.649 --> 00:03:44.389 I'm it's an intimidating thing. 00:03:44.389 --> 00:03:45.334 That's pretty cool that you can. 00:03:45.917 --> 00:03:46.460 Oh, that's awesome. 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:48.945 You got it with all my yeah, so then see, I so sorry, go back. 00:03:48.945 --> 00:03:49.551 So you were. 00:03:49.551 --> 00:03:52.021 So you started playing at church with another. 00:03:52.021 --> 00:03:55.008 What was your first instrument that you started playing, first instrument was piano. 00:03:55.028 --> 00:03:57.707 Very cool I started the guitar not long after that, nice. 00:03:57.848 --> 00:03:58.942 Nice and now you play. 00:03:58.942 --> 00:04:01.449 I mean, I feel like Libby, you play bass like every other week. 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.868 I yeah, I started the bass about 20 years ago. 00:04:05.069 --> 00:04:05.651 And you know why. 00:04:05.860 --> 00:04:07.447 It's because no one else played it. 00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:08.259 That's. 00:04:08.259 --> 00:04:12.491 I have a very similar origin story for me that I got handed a bass one time. 00:04:12.491 --> 00:04:14.847 I played guitar and they said hey, andrew, you need. 00:04:14.847 --> 00:04:16.471 I was like 14 years old. 00:04:16.471 --> 00:04:20.029 Hey, you need to play bass next Sunday because our bass player is going to college. 00:04:20.029 --> 00:04:21.603 And I said okay, and I've. 00:04:21.603 --> 00:04:28.480 Yeah, that is so funny that we just kind of just get something put in your lap and then I mean that changed my world, they sort of that. 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.745 So that's, that's pretty About 20 minutes. 00:04:31.166 --> 00:04:37.519 20 minutes later, about you know, three or four other people showed up who could play the bass, so that was the end of mine, you know you're back. 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:38.906 Ordered that market. 00:04:39.187 --> 00:04:40.966 Yeah, well, what so? 00:04:40.966 --> 00:04:42.954 What type of music now? 00:04:42.954 --> 00:04:48.451 And not just, not speaking specifically, church music, but like, what type of music, would you say, speaks to you the most? 00:04:49.841 --> 00:04:52.389 My first crush was the carpenters. 00:04:52.670 --> 00:04:53.451 Great first crush. 00:04:53.451 --> 00:04:54.685 That's a good place to be. 00:04:55.581 --> 00:05:09.084 I, I love them and like the seventh and the eighth grade, and the thing that got me there was the tight vocals the piano, of course, and then the other instruments like start and I'm willing to take a part they were doing. 00:05:09.084 --> 00:05:09.447 That was. 00:05:10.021 --> 00:05:16.319 I always appreciate a musician when you say, like, what's your favorite, and they can always give you a really good reason where someone that just like just loves music. 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.120 I was like, well, just makes me feel a certain way. 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:23.822 But I I too that there are certain bands that I really love and it's for a very specific reason, and you know that they. 00:05:23.822 --> 00:05:27.071 You know the lyricalness and the way that they play, so that's, that's pretty cool. 00:05:27.071 --> 00:05:29.146 Has your music Love like? 00:05:29.146 --> 00:05:29.610 So? 00:05:29.610 --> 00:05:30.879 You said your first crush was your carpenters. 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:38.560 Do you still feel the same way about the carpenters now that you do back then, or has it kind of evolved and your music tastes? 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:39.865 Has it changed over the years? 00:05:40.701 --> 00:05:55.985 Um, my attraction to them partly was that there were a small ensemble group and the albums that I had grown up, or like Peter Paul and Mary the fifth dimension, the seekers. 00:05:55.985 --> 00:06:02.411 I had a pointer system to album Um Manhattan, transfer the weavers, so some of those kind of folky. 00:06:02.451 --> 00:06:06.339 but also tight kind of what is it about, just music? 00:06:06.339 --> 00:06:09.699 And I ask I love asking musicians this question but like, what is it about? 00:06:09.699 --> 00:06:18.514 Look, what is it about music that there's something so on you can't even describe. 00:06:18.514 --> 00:06:23.160 You know what music does to a person, but like, what is it about music that, like, just it's. 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.346 It's a lifelong passion you've had, but what is that that? 00:06:26.346 --> 00:06:31.283 That's been the thing that's kept you going and kept your music for as long as you have. 00:06:32.963 --> 00:06:41.148 Yeah, so the way I view the world, my sort of obsession with the world is what are the parts, how do they make up the whole? 00:06:41.148 --> 00:06:55.076 And for me music is a cohesive whole of integrated parts, so it really scratches that itch for me in a way that you know your ears kind of side, they kind of bypass your brain, right? 00:06:55.216 --> 00:06:58.232 so that's such an Architectural response to that question. 00:06:58.271 --> 00:06:59.235 That's really interesting. 00:06:59.235 --> 00:06:59.937 I love that. 00:06:59.937 --> 00:07:05.235 And then, I guess, in the same way so, music as an expression of faith. 00:07:05.235 --> 00:07:14.432 Like when we are playing at church on a Sunday morning, we're not just playing for the fun of it, we have a job in mind and that's to lead the congregation in worship. 00:07:14.432 --> 00:07:17.358 But what, what for you personally? 00:07:17.358 --> 00:07:20.189 How is music an expression of your faith? 00:07:20.189 --> 00:07:23.456 Like what do you use music to get closer to God? 00:07:23.456 --> 00:07:25.178 Or like what or what is that? 00:07:25.178 --> 00:07:29.201 Yeah, what is what is music for you as it relates to your faith? 00:07:29.201 --> 00:07:30.004 I guess is the question. 00:07:30.586 --> 00:07:44.858 Yeah, I think from the beginning of the church, the, we've always used music to Understand more about God and to give voice to what our relationship with God is. 00:07:44.858 --> 00:07:49.797 You know, generations of people have learned theology from the church. 00:07:49.797 --> 00:07:57.932 In my faith tradition, hymns were a really big deal and I learned a lot about God from from hymns. 00:07:57.932 --> 00:08:06.125 You like to say that, the power of the gospel right, so that's, that's a place that you know that fits. 00:08:06.125 --> 00:08:11.925 I was thinking about some songs that we've done recently that you know give examples of that. 00:08:11.925 --> 00:08:17.081 So Phil Wickham song, living hope yeah, that's a great song, it's. 00:08:17.081 --> 00:08:17.603 It's like a song. 00:08:17.603 --> 00:08:22.458 It tells what God did to bring us back to himself. 00:08:22.458 --> 00:08:24.463 I just like Rita, you know, go for it. 00:08:24.463 --> 00:08:24.685 Yeah, okay. 00:08:26.430 --> 00:08:29.019 So how great the chasm that lays between us. 00:08:29.019 --> 00:08:30.444 How high the mountain I could not climb. 00:08:30.444 --> 00:08:33.164 We were separated From God by sin. 00:08:33.164 --> 00:08:37.336 In desperation I turned to heaven. 00:08:37.336 --> 00:08:42.437 I called out to God Through through the darkness. 00:08:42.437 --> 00:08:44.124 Your loving kindness tore through the shadows of my soul. 00:08:44.124 --> 00:08:44.485 He rescued me. 00:08:44.485 --> 00:08:48.216 Yep, the work is finished. 00:08:48.216 --> 00:08:49.480 The end is written. 00:08:49.480 --> 00:08:50.684 Jesus Christ, my living hope, christ sacrifice. 00:08:52.813 --> 00:08:55.625 You know, that was our path back, and I think that's interesting, that, like I could read. 00:08:57.932 --> 00:09:00.684 I could read a scripture that says that oh yeah, but, but for me, and this is this is a me thing. 00:09:01.631 --> 00:09:14.024 I don't this might not be true for everyone that when I sing it, there's something that, because I'm using, like I'm using my ears, I'm using my brain and using my book, like it is a multi sensory thing, that, like I am connecting to it in a different way. 00:09:14.024 --> 00:09:14.993 You reference that. 00:09:14.993 --> 00:09:47.899 Something that I say a lot is that you know, I say that we're going to share the gospel and I talk about it, and I say to the worship team that we're going to, we're going to preach the gospel with, with everything that we are, so not just in our words but in our actions, our attitudes and our deeds, and and that's an obscure concept but that when we sing, we portray this sort of surrender to God, because I think that part of the gospel is the sort of surrendering to, to our salvation and the promise that he has from us and that we can, we can sort of illustrate a surrender in the way that we worship. 00:09:47.899 --> 00:09:52.559 So sometimes, when we raise hands, we're doing that as in the sort of like we're reaching out to God. 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:57.703 It's not a, it's not a parlor trick, it's not just it's, it's a response. 00:09:57.725 --> 00:10:13.086 So I, I love that and I love that using that song as a great example, that the first part and then the second, the chorus, you know, hallelujah, praise the one who sent me free, like that's the proclamation that we're kind of we're singing to, I'm singing to somebody else, hey, you know we're singing to. 00:10:13.086 --> 00:10:17.495 I'm singing to somebody else, hey, god sent me free and I want you to hear about this. 00:10:17.495 --> 00:10:18.458 He's my living hope. 00:10:18.458 --> 00:10:19.427 Um. 00:10:19.687 --> 00:10:24.106 I would say that one of the songs we're going to do this week Um, I thank God. 00:10:24.106 --> 00:10:28.375 Maverick City, that's like the paul in the road to damascus experience. 00:10:28.394 --> 00:10:42.712 Yeah he picked me up, he turned me around, change my name, you know yeah, and I think that and that song it's a great tune by maverick city, that song Not only you know that, specifically those words you did, he picked me up. 00:10:42.712 --> 00:10:44.765 You turn me around, like I. 00:10:44.765 --> 00:10:51.927 When I sing that and I play it, I have this visual image and experience of like, yeah, like that. 00:10:51.927 --> 00:10:54.174 It means so much more than when I just say it. 00:10:54.174 --> 00:11:02.495 It's like when I'm singing I literally want to like, spin around because it's the sort of I'm putting on my new self, as you know, as I'm, as I'm saying this kind of this reminder. 00:11:02.495 --> 00:11:06.327 So I, I agree, I think that's such a great, I love that song. 00:11:06.327 --> 00:11:07.631 Congregation love that song. 00:11:07.711 --> 00:11:13.616 But there's something For me that when I lead it, I get something very personal out of it. 00:11:13.616 --> 00:11:18.316 That's yeah, that's really cool, that's really cool, I like that. 00:11:18.316 --> 00:11:21.149 So what? 00:11:21.149 --> 00:11:21.851 So? 00:11:21.851 --> 00:11:25.527 See, we just talked about some of the songs that you kind of like and you respond to Are there music? 00:11:25.527 --> 00:11:36.649 Is there music today that you find that like it really speaks to you, or that you feel like in your own personal time, that we, that you get stuff out of like. 00:11:36.649 --> 00:11:40.309 What kind of music are you listening to when you're not Preparing for a Sunday morning? 00:11:43.129 --> 00:11:54.690 I'm listening to Modern hymns, listening to some of the older Narrative songwriters. 00:11:54.690 --> 00:11:59.379 I'm thinking about Keith and Kristen Getty, who are modern hymn writers. 00:11:59.379 --> 00:12:06.131 I have a Phil Wickham, amy Grant, you know I have folks like that. 00:12:06.131 --> 00:12:07.807 It is interesting, phil. 00:12:07.827 --> 00:12:08.469 Wickham is a. 00:12:08.469 --> 00:12:16.325 He's a modern day hymnist like and it is totally yeah and it and to his detriment sometimes, because I feel like he writes is very there. 00:12:16.325 --> 00:12:21.304 He he has a couple of songs that are like living hope, that are that are it's a modern day hymn. 00:12:21.504 --> 00:12:23.831 Very beefy and it is, but it's still. 00:12:23.831 --> 00:12:25.235 He makes it so accessible. 00:12:25.235 --> 00:12:28.210 And what about playing in a band? 00:12:28.210 --> 00:12:36.037 Because I think that's something I love, playing with music with others, and you know we were talking about it before we started. 00:12:36.037 --> 00:12:37.427 Even that, what. 00:12:37.427 --> 00:12:42.437 What about in a, in a live setting, when you're playing with people like what? 00:12:42.437 --> 00:12:45.491 What is special about that for you? 00:12:46.725 --> 00:12:47.767 I'm listening to. 00:12:47.767 --> 00:12:51.494 I mean obviously the meaning of the music, but the layers down from that. 00:12:51.494 --> 00:12:54.139 I'm listening to the vocals and how they go together. 00:12:54.139 --> 00:13:02.048 You know, it's like a mix of layers and harmony and then sort of a counterpoint that the instruments play. 00:13:02.225 --> 00:13:05.331 Yeah, yeah and it's To me. 00:13:05.331 --> 00:13:07.437 I mean, I was just before you got here today. 00:13:07.437 --> 00:13:14.018 I was in my office and I was practicing for tonight and there's something like I'm like, okay, this is fun, I enjoy this. 00:13:14.018 --> 00:13:19.970 But I was very much so like oh, I need to stop what I'm doing because I want to finish this thought when I'm with other people. 00:13:19.970 --> 00:13:24.995 Yeah, because I had this idea, but I was like I don't want to flesh it out too much, I'd rather flesh it out in a group. 00:13:25.496 --> 00:13:29.149 But I mean, I know you pretty well and I would say that you are more of an introvert. 00:13:29.149 --> 00:13:33.356 So I think that where you recharge is Is when you're alone. 00:13:33.356 --> 00:13:34.841 I mean, is that fair to say that you? 00:13:34.841 --> 00:13:36.809 You know you've that you value your alone time. 00:13:36.809 --> 00:13:38.255 You value that time. 00:13:38.255 --> 00:13:39.200 But what is it about? 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:47.096 Because I know, for me, playing in a group does things, and I think you're the same way that I can't necessarily get on my own. 00:13:47.096 --> 00:13:49.101 Um, what about that for you? 00:13:49.101 --> 00:13:55.482 Is it's just an interesting dichotomy that I really do see you getting so filled when we're playing in a community together. 00:13:55.871 --> 00:14:03.929 Yeah, it's, the community is a big part of that and then what I was saying before I that sort of bypasses your conscious brain and yeah. 00:14:03.929 --> 00:14:08.794 Yeah, one of the things I like about Band and and what we're doing right now. 00:14:08.794 --> 00:14:14.336 I feel like people should see somebody on the platform who's worshiping like they are. 00:14:14.336 --> 00:14:23.238 You know and it gives them permission to I don't know twirl or jump like Like you do or like me staying in the back. 00:14:23.238 --> 00:14:23.658 Yeah. 00:14:23.658 --> 00:14:26.563 I'm feeling what I'm feeling, but I'm not, you know mm-hmm. 00:14:27.010 --> 00:14:31.642 People would yeah, no, I'm gonna jump and they're gonna totally freak out. 00:14:34.113 --> 00:14:43.525 And I think, I think and that's something that, as a worship team, we talk a lot about that we are often modeling the worship stands and that, and that we're not all doing it the same way. 00:14:43.586 --> 00:15:00.190 Not everybody worships so I worship, or how you worship, you know, and that there's somewhere in between and and that that's through line, that of community, like when we worship in a community where a we're worshiping together, which is really cool, but we're also worshiping in different ways, but we're worshiping the same God. 00:15:00.190 --> 00:15:03.196 Yeah, and I think that there's really power in that that. 00:15:03.196 --> 00:15:39.730 I always love to say that God created each and every one of us differently and and and we're all unique, but also, at the same time, he knows every single hair on every single one of our heads and like what a powerful God, that God is Big enough to and smart enough to create us all as individuals, so that we all have our unique Experiences but can use each and every one of us, and and that that your experiences versus my experiences versus Susie's Experiences versus Chris, like all of those people, like we all come together and we create something greater than the sum of our own parts. 00:15:39.769 --> 00:15:41.777 Absolutely yeah that's really cool. 00:15:41.777 --> 00:15:45.030 Well, I mean, before we get out of here today, is there any? 00:15:45.030 --> 00:15:47.860 We were just talking about music and your love for music. 00:15:47.860 --> 00:15:48.731 Are there any? 00:15:48.731 --> 00:15:52.361 Any music recommendations that you'd like to share with who's listening today? 00:15:54.030 --> 00:15:56.897 Well, folks, I mentioned before, I like the gettys. 00:15:56.897 --> 00:16:00.102 They're like um, you know in the buying album stage. 00:16:00.102 --> 00:16:06.610 Yeah, amy Grant, my secret crush, bill Wickham doesn't have to be a secret crush. 00:16:06.610 --> 00:16:12.230 I mean probably Chris she was kind of had a bubblegum stage you know, but she's well past that now yeah. 00:16:12.230 --> 00:16:13.432 Nicole Norman. 00:16:13.432 --> 00:16:14.916 I like her a lot. 00:16:14.916 --> 00:16:18.020 I listen to early pentatonic sometimes. 00:16:18.020 --> 00:16:20.205 You know the same kind of harmony thing. 00:16:20.205 --> 00:16:24.240 Yeah, I like the Martins, another Christian country. 00:16:24.280 --> 00:16:30.803 Yeah, Well, I'm definitely gonna check that out and yeah, well, thanks for hanging out with us and listening to the meat hope podcast. 00:16:30.803 --> 00:16:35.378 If this is your first time listening, thanks for coming and please share with your friends. 00:16:35.378 --> 00:16:37.023 Get the word out there. 00:16:37.023 --> 00:16:41.981 We're, we love making these and we love being able to share it with everyone else. 00:16:41.981 --> 00:16:42.342 A great week. 00:16:46.410 --> 00:16:51.105 Thanks for being a part of the hope community as we continue our conversations about faith and hope. 00:16:51.105 --> 00:16:55.330 If you don't already, please join us for worship on Sundays or on demand. 00:16:55.330 --> 00:17:01.403 You can learn more at meathopeorg or find us on socials at meathope church.